Months ago I was asked who will win. I responded: "Not Clinton."
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May 11, 2016
U.S. Election Thread 2016-01
Months ago I was asked who will win. I responded: "Not Clinton."
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It is the conventional expectations Trump will adhere to PC; be kind and gentle going against “Crooked Hillary” in the general debates. Posted by: likklemore | May 11 2016 18:44 utc | 1 The exit polls in WV that showed half of Sanders voters would vote for Trump over Clinton is telling. WV is unique in that coal is a big issue. But coal aside, Trump’s view on both trade and on defense resemble Sander’s stances more than Clinton’s. Posted by: DTD | May 11 2016 18:46 utc | 2 H. Clinton has the worst criminally evil track record and political heinous nature that anyone 5% truthful enough about the worst of her could slaughter her as a candidate. Sanders the coward refused. Posted by: tom | May 11 2016 19:22 utc | 3 If Roger Stone’s book is even half right the Clintons are done. Just a personal aside here on Stone, I used to know him back in eighties and nineties and would see him from time to time and found him an engaging and sincere dude who was surprisingly honest–I knew him well enough to at least know that. So I believe his take on the Clintons. The question is will Trump use all the material in Stone’s book? I know politics well enough to know that Trump will have to give something up before the power elite will allow him to use that material–unless he wants to suffer a heart attack or a plane crash. Posted by: Banger | May 11 2016 19:40 utc | 4 Why Putin could be completely wrong about Trump nmb, i image that President Putin is making no assumptions wrt Trump. Of course Trump is at least theoretically a better outcome for Russia than Clinton, as we know her form, and we don’t know Trumps yet. In fact, though I am not a US citizen, if I were voting in Nov, I would prefer Trump over Clinton without question, despite the fact that I suspect that at best he is a clown, and on his public performances to date as a candidate, completely unsuited for high public office. Posted by: Razor Edge | May 11 2016 20:24 utc | 7 @7 Razor Edge, I understand your thinking. Indeed, the most certain of all is that “Hellary” will definitely follow the neocon agenda and the Kissinger-type Realpolitik.Which means it’s the worst and most dangerous option in the middle of Cold War 2.0. Hillary will have maximum institutional support. She’s gonna have over a billion dollars for her campaign. And even more if it looks tight. Wall St and all the other cartels from Healthcare, Defense, Trial lawyers, etc will pour as much money as necessary. She will have the complete backing of the media. She will launch the biggest campaign of fear that has been seen in America. Both the Democrat and Republican establishment will be her campaign echo chamber. Posted by: ab initio | May 11 2016 20:40 utc | 9 @7 razor edge.. that is much like my own thinking on it too.. Posted by: james | May 11 2016 21:27 utc | 10 @ Banger 4 Posted by: likklemore | May 11 2016 21:29 utc | 11 Oh! There’s also Hollywood backing Hillary. Posted by: ab initio | May 11 2016 21:49 utc | 12 @12 The more I see of these grinning overpaid progressives the more I think Trump will win. Posted by: dh | May 11 2016 22:27 utc | 13 “One of the reasons the Clintons never had to answer is so much of it was done with the Bush family and the Republican establishment. They were really partners in many of the things they did.” Posted by: RudyM | May 11 2016 23:24 utc | 14 On the other hand, Trump is way too cozy with the Clintons and their social circles:
http://winteractionables.com/?p=32811 Posted by: RudyM | May 11 2016 23:31 utc | 15 Donald Trump Named in Latest Panama Papers Leak
And there you have it. ‘Selection’ is the name of the game in the USA, in ‘leaks’, in ‘elections’, in the composition of the ‘elite’ itself.
Posted by: jfl | May 12 2016 0:29 utc | 16 I am going to do a bit of projection of what my gut is telling me. Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2016 1:02 utc | 17 It is highly doubtful, with emailgate unfolding, will Clinton make it to the Convention? Posted by: likklemore | May 12 2016 1:07 utc | 18 I thought I read somewhere that the Russians were thinking about releasing copies of Clinton’s emails that they somehow acquired. I thought it was on Sputnik, but maybe Reddit. Wouldn’t that be hilarious? Posted by: Mischi | May 12 2016 1:44 utc | 19 I am of the opinion that the emails will eventually go away. Note: that is just my opinion. Posted by: rg the lg | May 12 2016 2:22 utc | 20 Some defenses for Hilary: Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 12 2016 3:09 utc | 21 One thing that scares me about Sanders is that he becomes another Roosevelt if he happens to win. I like many of his ideas but this dude just like Hillary is a war monger. He supported almost every war as democrat(From Iraq to Afghanistan)Roosevelt also did the same he even did everything possible to push the US into world war two as this was revealed by historians such as John Toland,Robet stinnett,and Charles Callan Tansill,or officers such as George Morgenstern and Rear Admiral Edwin T. Layton.Roosevelt is oftentimes remember as a great socialist but to me without denying the advantages that the New deal brought in and the Glass Steagall act he has always been one of the chief conspirators against peace and the man who signed the infamous Quincy agreement.No one has ever been more of an imperialist than Roosevelt,which family after all was in banking and tied through marriage to an opium selling rich old family named the Delano.To me the game is rigged since the beginning in this election and I don’t believe any of this candidate truly want the well being of America. Posted by: lebretteurfredonnant | May 12 2016 4:33 utc | 22 tom@3 Tom, you said “If the atrocious Trump doesn’t fuck up like the usual moron his is. . . .” Who are you comparing him to when you call him atrocious? Mother Teresa? Albert Schweitzer? Compare him to the ghouls, vampires, weasel-dicks, who inhabit the corridors of power in the US and Europe. Compare him with the dross both the Democrats and Republicans have vomited up as candidates for the last 24 years and he is closer to Teresa or Schweitzer than any of them. Posted by: Macon Richardson | May 12 2016 6:24 utc | 24 @Macon Richardson Posted by: Jack Smith | May 12 2016 7:39 utc | 26 Here is what you need! Very much! Please read it carefully, twice. Posted by: blues | May 12 2016 9:53 utc | 27 In the meantime, ISO has endorsed Stein, with this lovely interview: Posted by: Vatrahos | May 12 2016 10:04 utc | 28 ofc Clinton will win, if Trump has the slightest chance, they’ll just do a Kennedy ^^ Posted by: xmasucks | May 12 2016 10:24 utc | 29 So much for Trump’s vaunted neutral approach to the Palestine/Israel quagmire. During the past week, in chronological order: Posted by: pantaraxia | May 12 2016 10:30 utc | 30 b, Posted by: ALberto | May 12 2016 11:28 utc | 32 People who say they won’t vote because they despise both major parties have a moral duty to vote third party (I intend to vote for Jill Stein). The way to refute the argument that votes for third parties are wasted votes is for enough people to vote third party. Posted by: lysias | May 12 2016 11:51 utc | 33 @ likklemore #18 & Mischi #19 Be lovely but the source is HIGHLY suspect I believe . . . . one Sorcha Faal Posted by: kiwicris | May 12 2016 11:57 utc | 34 collective stupidity is rarely as animated as during election season. Posted by: john | May 12 2016 12:10 utc | 35 It may be that the Clintons have been skimming off the top – the donations they listed weren’t the same amount as the donors claimed on their tax reports. Posted by: Mischi | May 12 2016 12:58 utc | 36 lysias @35:
I think the way to refute the argument is to explain that the major parties collude to exclude. This is a major part of the ‘rigged’ political system that even Trump and Sanders don’t speak of (because they are duopoly candidates).
Together, these barriers kettle voters into a false choice between one of the duopoly’s establishment candidates.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 12 2016 13:39 utc | 37 35;Jewish females are the most out of touch with reality humans in America today. Posted by: dahoit | May 12 2016 14:25 utc | 38 39;The only third party which would be reported on by the MSM would be a pro Zion as the 51st state(but number 1 overall)candidate.Will Stein promote such? Posted by: dahoit | May 12 2016 14:27 utc | 39 Chipher, Posted by: Fighting Bob | May 12 2016 15:30 utc | 40 I’ve always, since forever, said that Killary cannot win,. Posted by: Noirette | May 12 2016 15:51 utc | 41 trump or clinton have a ways to go to catch up to the filipino politicians – Posted by: james | May 12 2016 16:16 utc | 42 It doesn’t matter who is going to win. ‘They’ can put a sock-puppet in the White House, it will be the same ; more war, strife ,oppression both abroad and at home. In fact, as a Muslim; I can tell you that the road has, is and will continue to be paved where-in the nefarious folks who brought us 9-11 (Zionists and fascists)will orchestrate another , if not bigger calamity that will usher in a very dark chapter for the World, America and especially Muslims(here and around abroad).Following this ‘event’,Muslims living in America(citizens or otherwise) will be rounded-up and put on trains or whatever and sent to internment(FEMA)camps; while more war will intensify in the Middle East. Say I didn’t say so. You watch and see.I’ve been a ‘ watcher’ since I was ten years old..I know how these Satanists think. Coming to roads and highways near you will be billboards asking if you know any Muslims to call, and it will be all over T.V too. I’m also certain that there will be many good hearted Christian(not evangelists or Zionist types) etc who will help; perhaps even an underground rail-road or something to help Muslims at a risk to themselves. And no, I don’t wear, or have a tin foil hat nor do I see unicorns in my back yard. God watch over us all. Posted by: bored muslim | May 12 2016 16:18 utc | 43 Trump has his own privately hired security. Kennedying him might be harder than it was for JFK. Posted by: lysias | May 12 2016 16:37 utc | 44 blues, Posted by: Jack Smith | May 12 2016 17:27 utc | 45 Donald Trump Calls Hillary Clinton “Trigger Happy” as She Courts Neocons Posted by: the don | May 12 2016 17:37 utc | 46 Write Me In! Robert K. Joyce, 01060 (blues) Posted by: blues | May 12 2016 17:45 utc | 47 “Jewish females are the most out of touch with reality humans in America today.” Posted by: ruralito | May 12 2016 18:19 utc | 48 My Chinese fortune cookie just told me, “You are not paranoid enough.” I agree. Posted by: lysias | May 12 2016 18:54 utc | 50 brian @ 26: “no matter who wins,the rest of us lose…” Posted by: ben | May 12 2016 19:01 utc | 51 Well, RT has just been reporting on the White Paper that would replace the BBC Trust that is now being circulated. FT reports: BBC Trust to be Abolished, Replaced by Unitary Board:
Posted by: lysias | May 12 2016 19:17 utc | 52 No, Hillary can’t win. Only a few insane lesbians have voted for her this time around. The vote count in U.S. elections is entirely fictional. That is exactly why Hillary will be installed as president by the money power boys who want her in and she will quickly establish martial law for them and put the “homeland security” army in the field to take the guns. Then it hits the fan for survival or death. And she will love it all. Posted by: Tony B. | May 12 2016 19:29 utc | 53 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/us/politics/republican-party-unravels-over-donald-trumps-takeover.html Posted by: okie farmer | May 12 2016 19:33 utc | 54 Biden as bad or worse than Hillary. Member of the Obysmal, Hillary, Kerry, Nuland/Kagan/Kissinger/Brzezinski camp of Warmongering Zionists. Posted by: fast freddy | May 12 2016 20:54 utc | 55 A long read- but well worth it… (via nak-cap) Posted by: GoraDiva | May 12 2016 21:07 utc | 56 My random event generator tells me frequently that: Posted by: Helena | May 12 2016 22:29 utc | 57 in re 29 — Posted by: rufus magister | May 13 2016 4:15 utc | 58 @lebretteurfredonnant #23 Posted by: claudio | May 13 2016 7:35 utc | 59 Clinton is like Nixon. She may have found the perfect candidate to run against. She IS hated, and she IS a terrible, tone-deaf candidate, but unless her ego makes her control her campaign, smart advisers will create a fairly hard-hitting fear campaign against The Donald. As others have commented, Trump would be no piece of cake for the bottom 80% … Posted by: fairleft | May 13 2016 8:59 utc | 60 Donnie’s got religion …
Of course he’ll just continue say what ever come off the top of his head. There are a lotta people who wanna believe. Will enough people ask enough questions, and will they get answers? Didn’t in 2008, did they? But I can’t see a majority for Trump. Who knows. Hard to see a majority for Clinton either, isn’t it? The difference between them is marginal. I forecast we’ll all lose no matter which of these … or the Burn miester … first passes the potus post.
… ‘It’s what humans do at critical junctures in history’ – not just racists. Posted by: jfl | May 13 2016 10:25 utc | 61 24;You funny guy.The only way Joe Bitem would be POTUS is if Trumps ex butler shoots Obomba. Posted by: dahoit | May 13 2016 13:09 utc | 62 44;James,don’t believe MSM descriptions.I have no idea of this guy,but one news outlet? said he would be an economic president,and not a military expansion one,which might mean China bashing(very prevalent lately)is over for the Philippines. Posted by: dahoit | May 13 2016 13:13 utc | 63 50;Ok,your girlfriend is Jewish,sorry.Jesus Christ,Jewish females are the most out of touch humans on the planet,from Lena Dunham,to Pussy Riot,to Pamela Geller,to Jill Stein to the DNC chairwoman,to Amy Goodman,to Gloria Steinem,a collection of vapid concern trolls interested only in their being male equals instead of being women.And American women like the HB,EW,NP etc are right up there with them as morons. Posted by: dahoit | May 13 2016 13:26 utc | 64 Nixon?What ever Nixon was,he weren’t no stinking Zionist traitor,as the Queen of Hell is. Posted by: dahoit | May 13 2016 13:31 utc | 65 And I like women,have had no problems with them my whole life,:),(of course my wife would disagree)and am not anti women,just new age women who don’t realize that womanhood is supposed to be of nurturing,love and maternity,instead of martial masculinity,and the working life.My wife,instead of retail hell,would love to be a stay at home mom,like our ancestors,and the nuclear family,now its both parents slaving and the kids untethered.The world of Zionist neocapitalism.Thanks for nothing. Posted by: dahoit | May 13 2016 13:38 utc | 66 Voting in the United States isn’t about “democracy”—it’s about perpetuating the illusion of democracy. Posted by: Allen | May 13 2016 13:52 utc | 67 And the U.S. slips further into totalitarianism. Washington Post: Want a security clearance? Feds will now check your Facebook and Twitter first:
Posted by: lysias | May 13 2016 18:31 utc | 68 @ Kiwicris 36 Posted by: likklemore | May 13 2016 19:50 utc | 69 Oops, my last link to Business Insider failed: Posted by: likklemore | May 13 2016 19:57 utc | 70 Helena @ 59 Posted by: ben | May 13 2016 20:24 utc | 71 Allan @70: Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 13 2016 20:36 utc | 72 What Napolitano said about the email affair: A Perfect Storm of Legal Misery – LewRockwell
Posted by: ProPeace | May 13 2016 20:51 utc | 73 in re 69 — Posted by: rufus magister | May 13 2016 22:22 utc | 74 US backed coup in Brazil now Posted by: Som | May 14 2016 8:22 utc | 75 @Som, please read this thread title… it about US banana republic, not Brazil’s…
Posted by: citizen X | May 14 2016 10:57 utc | 76 Today the Eurovision competetion will go on, and as usual the booing against Russia just like 2014 and 2015. Posted by: Mandel | May 14 2016 11:17 utc | 77 Sheldon Adelson to contribute 100 million to Trump’s campaign
Sieg Heil! Trump will be the first publicly-acknowledged Israeli owned-and-operated POTUS? Posted by: jfl | May 14 2016 21:05 utc | 78 @ JFL 81 Posted by: likklemore | May 14 2016 21:39 utc | 79 US third parties are at great disadvantage compared to European third parties. Or compared to the other two US parties. Some disadvantages are outlined here. https://quizlet.com/12588727/third-parties-obstacles-facing-third-parties-flash-cards/ Posted by: Penelope | May 15 2016 4:53 utc | 80 @81 jfl Posted by: pantaraxia | May 15 2016 7:35 utc | 81 @84, paraxia Posted by: jfl | May 15 2016 13:17 utc | 82 77;Commie speak.My wife is only half German-American,the other half I-talian. Posted by: dahoit | May 15 2016 14:19 utc | 83 Womens lib;About the worst misdirection in history,where millions of women are now slavers in a system they can’t get out of,as now two have to produce for the family,instead of one. Posted by: dahoit | May 15 2016 14:23 utc | 84 The new Philipinno President;He hates US for CIA bombings in the Philippines back in the 90s?Some American blew his leg off in a hotel,the FBI(CIA)showed up at the hospital and whisked him out of the country.(Of course with the corrupt Phil.government assistance) Posted by: dahoit | May 15 2016 14:28 utc | 85 We can expect only worse after the American elections. The two likely contenders for the American presidency are equally intent on “making America great again,” of dominating the world. Since they, on behalf of the ruling elite, offer no rational solutions to the American people for the increasing economic decline and social breakdown that is occurring in the United States, war is their only way out. Posted by: denk | May 15 2016 16:03 utc | 86 in re 86 — Posted by: rufus magister | May 15 2016 23:38 utc | 87 paraxia @84 Bernie helped give Stephanie Kelton a voice in Senate budget debates, but Trump is the one who has (at least in some cases) been frank about the nature of money and federal debt, while I don’t think I’ve heard Bernie say anything along these lines: Posted by: RudyM | May 16 2016 16:44 utc | 89 This election is best served with a truckload of facial tissue. Here are some very disturbing links., Posted by: likklemore | May 17 2016 2:58 utc | 90 Democratic Party continues its unabashed support for Hillary.
IMO, the Democratic Primary was ‘rigged’ and Bernie was too accepting of this from the beginning. Some rationalize this as his NEEDING the exposure that running as a Democratic would give him. But he has always said that he would support the Democratic nominee (i.e. Hillary) and has been reluctant to attack her like an independent candidate would (compare Trump and Lincoln Chafee). Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 17 2016 4:51 utc | 91 |
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