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May 22, 2016

Some Morally Defective 'Superpower' Claptrap

Please guess which two countries are meant here:

These two countries, bedeviled by decades of misunderstandings, violence and wariness, now have the chance to create a partnership ...
The sentence puts a serial rapist and killer and its victims on the same moral level. It is whitewashing the very one sided killing of a million people. It is from a NYT piece previewing Obama's visit to Vietnam.

There is another propagandistic claptrap line in there probably to prompt the reader to throw up:

[The] goal has been to get enough human rights guarantees from the Vietnamese to allow for the lifting of sanctions on arms sales to Vietnam and perhaps the return of American military units to its shores

The U.S., THE U.S.(!), is asking Vietnam(!) for human rights guarantees? This not out of moral concerns or something alike (not  that anyone would believe that anyway) but only so it can rob Vietnam again via arms sales, reoccupy it militarily and use it as a mere pawn against China.

There must be some pathological character deformation that allows people to write and read such sentences without utter disgust.

Posted by b on May 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM | Permalink

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China bashing with puppet support,as the Vietnamese have their own anti China feelings,as one always fears the big dog in the region.
What do the Vietnamese people feel about allying with the murderers of 3 million?Or they don't count I guess.Hey,we can send McCain as ambassador when he is defeated for the Senate.

Posted by: dahoit | May 22, 2016 10:59:43 AM | 1

History is made by pundits.
The sky is the limit.

The South Vietnamese were demoralized after the U.S. withdrawal of combat forces in 1973 and the cessation of military support.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/22/politics/vietnam-united-states-friends/index.html

Posted by: From The Hague | May 22, 2016 11:06:23 AM | 2

The last time we passed weapons and material to Vietnam (Ho Chi Minh)was shortly after the Japanese surrender in 1945. He used them against the French and eventually the USA. Does that have a certain contemporary ring to it? You're our friend until your not... the God help you.

Posted by: Skipper | May 22, 2016 11:13:02 AM | 3

i think the usa figured since they get all the human rights guarantees from saudi arabia, may as well go for them with every other country that sell arms to as well... forget about history (or morality/ethics for that matter).. the usa is busy making history while others are trying to figure out their next move will be.. i think it was some american jack-off that said something like that..

Posted by: james | May 22, 2016 11:17:29 AM | 4

#4 "the usa is busy making history while others are trying to figure out their next move will be"

Us jack-offs are upset to be equated with a war criminal, second in command to a real jack-off, calling himself "the deciderer", who could not fly and went AWOL during a time of war.

Posted by: Bardi | May 22, 2016 11:52:10 AM | 5

Good find, b. This stuff needs to be called out time and time again.

Posted by: WorldBLee | May 22, 2016 12:00:34 PM | 6

To get the Viet Nam war heated up, the US literally shipped over one million poor North Vietnamese into the Port of Saigon and turned them loose with nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Passage_to_Freedom

This is an example of Human Rights.

Posted by: fast freddy | May 22, 2016 12:04:25 PM | 7

Coudn't agree more. Presstitutes flighing high.

Posted by: Pnyx | May 22, 2016 12:06:07 PM | 8

No great surprise with what the NYT or any other news outfit would try and say with the Donald effect crashing into the hive mind . I like what Gerald Celente said "when you loose it all and you have nothing left to loose ,you loose it ....

Posted by: Terry | May 22, 2016 12:27:06 PM | 9

I'm pretty sure human rights guarantees is code for allowing US NGOs in to prepare for some future color revolution. I wonder what color it would be since I'm pretty sure they already used yellow somewhere and might be culturally inappropriate here anyway.

Posted by: Lysander | May 22, 2016 12:28:43 PM | 10

b, thank you for expressing the outrage we all feel. As long as the oligarchs are in power thee won't be any justice-- not in words or in acts.

We need to stop cooperating with them. It's stupid that we are killing each other in support of their interests.

We need to organize behind a few simple ideas that we can all agree on. What should they be?

Maybe Peace and Redistribution-- of power and wealth (productive assets & natural resources of which they now own 40%).

Vietnam, China, Syria-- they're each only pieces of it. We have to contest the whole power structure. There's no other path to making the US oligarchs let Vietnam be.

Posted by: Penelope | May 22, 2016 12:33:17 PM | 11

@11
Your use of "we" is too simple.

Posted by: From The Hague | May 22, 2016 12:48:21 PM | 12

Re: Posted by: dahoit | May 22, 2016 10:59:43 AM | 1

Have to agree, when do you think Mexico & Canada will invite in the Chinese/ Russians to counter the Big Dog next door as you put it?

As you say, Mexico & Canada are fearful of the US, so what will they do to counterbalance them?

Posted by: Jules | May 22, 2016 12:48:34 PM | 13

Jules 13 "As you say, Mexico & Canada are fearful of the US, so what will they do to counterbalance them?"

Gordie Howe was known for his elbows in the corners on the ice but now we have a young DC sock puppet that has the same ability as Gordie . We don't fear the US because its too cold up here to have room for fear :>)

Posted by: Terry | May 22, 2016 12:57:22 PM | 14

There must be some pathological character deformation that allows people to write and read such sentences without utter disgust

one of the oddities of the illness, grifter's paradox, arms sales for human rights.

Posted by: john | May 22, 2016 12:57:48 PM | 15

Nothing like a good dose of Righteous Indignation served up on a Sunday. Excellent sermon Pastor b!

Posted by: karlof1 | May 22, 2016 1:11:51 PM | 16

the absurdity of this reminds me of something i read yesterday about hillary clinton affiliate:

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/05/leaked-emails-from-pro-clinton-group-reveal-censorship-of-staff-on-israel-aipac-pandering-warped-militarism/

Other emails show Tanden arguing that Libyans should be forced to turn over large portions of their oil revenues to repay the U.S. for the costs incurred in bombing Libya, on the grounds that Americans will support future wars only if they see that the countries attacked by the U.S. pay for the invasions.

US to force countries to fund their own destruction. so blatantly sick.

Posted by: annie | May 22, 2016 1:23:05 PM | 17

"The exceptional nation","The Shining city on a hill",and "The indispensable nation", there are many American's who believe they are superior to everyone else, including Obama. If they sincerely believe such BS, it is not hard to imagine that they think other people should believe it also. As Gorbachev said it is all born of arrogance after the US won the cold war, now they think they can stick it to Russia and presumably anyone else. http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160522/1040044185/us-russia-tensions-gorbachev.html As one Roman emperor once said "If only Rome had one head".

Posted by: harrylaw | May 22, 2016 1:25:31 PM | 18

Righteous indignation for sure!
Oh well, the beat goes on and there is little, or more likely nothing, that can be done! Unless there is a catastrophe, AmeriKKKans will continue to 'hope' a political 'messiah' will free them ... .

But, from what?

Ultimately it will have to be from their own greed and selfish ways. IF the 0.0001% does what they did under FDR nothing will change. That is what Bernie is all about ... preventing a potential revolution in order to maintain the status quo. Oddly enough both Killary and the Trump-pet will only make it possible for the end ... as we know it ... with the hope that enough radiation will change the genetic code so that greed and selfishness ...

In the meantime ... poor Vietnam ... poor world, the hegemon cometh!

Posted by: rg the lg | May 22, 2016 1:35:15 PM | 19

1 million ?? Try about 3 million, or more. with the vast majority killed being Vietnamese civilians which clearly is genocide. Just One of many genocides by the evil US empire.

Please call it it's a genocide and don't diminish it in any way. Making comparisons between a killer and a rapist is a joke specially when denying its of genocide.

Posted by: tom | May 22, 2016 2:42:21 PM | 20

Tom @20

"1 million ?? Try about 3 million, or more. with the vast majority killed being Vietnamese civilians which clearly is genocide. Just One of many genocides by the evil US empire."

Also add in, contrary to Hollyweird script writers, another 1 or 2 million disappeared humans in Pol Pot's US backed human cleansing operations.

"Pol Pot died in April 1998, when the U.S. government was making noises about "trying" him for "genocide". Nowhere was there any mention of U.S. support for the Khmer Rouge under Pol Pot, though this had been well documented."

source - https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/pol/polpotmontclarion0498.html

related article - US bombing points 1965-1973 - http://www.yale.edu/cgp/us.html

b, sorry about double links which I know you do not like but this information needs to be published. AL

Posted by: ALberto | May 22, 2016 3:07:44 PM | 21

The trouble with being blackmailed into the US Orbit is that the US Orbit is the same shape as, and indistinguishable from, an arsehole - and much stinkier.

It's probably superfluous to mention this now, but AmeriKKKa wouldn't be making this move if all the necessary bribed, brainwashed AmeriKKKanised Vietnamese (ex-refugee) Traitors weren't already in place in their Homeland and occupying influential positions in, and on the periphery of, the Vietnamese Government.
The Yankees have had 40 years to plan this (WE Won the Vietnam War After All) coup...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 22, 2016 3:12:51 PM | 22

I agree with ALberto. That link @2 said the China was supporting the Khmer Rouge.

Posted by: okie farmer | May 22, 2016 4:07:59 PM | 23

One would hope that there are still millions of Vietnamese who can remember AmeriKKKa's extraordinarily overt racict-supremacist disrespect for the Vietnamese People and Culture.

Can the Vietnamese "Gooks" teach Yankee "Freaks" another lesson they'd prefer to forget?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 22, 2016 4:12:02 PM | 24

I am shocked -- shocked -- to find that gambling is going on in here!

Posted by: blues | May 22, 2016 4:19:49 PM | 25

Mexico and Canada should establish trade with Russia. There is no reason for democratic nations not to trade.

Instead, that jackass Trudeau is pushing on behalf of the USA the TPP, TTIP and CDIP.

And The old coke man Vicente Fox is railing against Trump on behalf of his friends the Clinton's.

(If you recall, the USA staged a coup of sorts in Mexico to get pawns Calderon and later Boy Nieto selected.)

Posted by: fast freddy | May 22, 2016 5:25:03 PM | 26

blues @25

touche' Heh!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

Posted by: ALberto | May 22, 2016 5:29:55 PM | 27

Pepe Escobar has an opinion piece worth reading at

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/344002-beware-russia-war-us/

I suspect he is correct. He seems to have the ability, much like our host here at MoA, to find out things worth thinking about.

IF we assume he is only 50% correct, that bodes ill for us, as the idiots in charge of the empire keep pushing and pushing the two countries who have the capacity to do more than just push back.

Thus, Vietnam is a side show ... a distraction ... though certainly worth being aware of.

I wonder, as I wander, when the mushroom clouds will appear at a city near you?

The more the Malignant Overlords dream of conquest the closer we come to seeing not only their end but the end ... ... as we know it.

Posted by: rg the lg | May 22, 2016 7:51:06 PM | 28

Pen @ 11

Yeah, I ultimately agree. I've never been truly against "globalization." Perhaps more against homogeny.

After watching politics for the last several decades i can only conclude that "we" need to act together as Global force.

Posted by: Forest | May 22, 2016 8:57:34 PM | 29

annie @17 You are describing the typical R2P (Rape 2 Protect) situation

You could put Vietnam in South America and see what empire does only changes a bit by geography and culture.....read The Shock Doctrine.

Its all about the money. Empire controls the world monetary systems via private finance owned by the global plutocratic families and has for centuries. To say they are playing people and countries against each other to retain control is to frame the obvious brainwashing...making Edward Bernays proud.

YES! to Penelope and Forest. The only way to stop this insanity is to globally end private finance and put some limits on inheritance......kill the Gawd of Mammon.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 22, 2016 9:33:21 PM | 30

@28 rg - nice piece from Escobar. When I saw the sub headline in the article that read "Say hello to my S-500" I had to check the date, because I remember after the Kalibr missiles were fired from the Caspian fleet at ISIS in Syria, and the world was stunned, Pepe wrote a great piece immediately, titled, "Say Hello To My Cruise Missiles".

The fact is the Pentagon and all serious soldiers around the world have performed a very rapid reappraisal recently of Russian military capabilities, and in the Pentagon for sure they understand that they're behind the curve - which means, actually, in a zero-sum equation such as MAD, that they've lost.

As Escobar reports, the S-500 is still in testing stage, and so Russia doesn't quite yet have the impenetrable shield, to use his words, but it's coming, and very soon, and much before the US can ramp up any forced science into a new parity, it seems.

For a good view of the balance of firepower, South Front has a good article right now: 4 thousand cruise missiles that are aimed at Russia - The weak spots of American “global strike” concept.

The article details the formidable strike force available to the US but also describes why it can't work against a large force like Russia. In reality it can only be used to take out selected pieces of infrastructure in countries that can't fight back - or as a means to trigger nuclear retaliation. But it does illustrate why Russia must respond in counter-maneuver to the approach of the NATO forces and the US missiles.

I found the article reassuring. A lot of steps have to be taken to trigger the irreversible mechanisms that destroy the world.

Posted by: Grieved | May 22, 2016 9:36:05 PM | 31

Americans don't understand how to negotiate; they pay fixed price for almost everything. But Asians are bargainers.

The essence of bargaining is for both parties to make outrageous offering and bidding prices. Eventually, through hard bargaining, a mutually satisfactory price will be found and everyone walks away from the transaction, if not pleased, at least satisfied that they got the best deal they could. In sophisticated circles that is called winning. Winning is not stomping your adversary to death.

The South China Sea claims of China are a first step in an Asian bargaining session. Eventually, if America were to but the hell out, all the parties would reach an agreement as to off-shore territorial boundaries and a multi-national deal would be struck. Would it favor the PRC? Of course, because the PRC is the big dog in that area.

But China needs the rest of nations with South China Sea shores. It needs them as neighbors, as colleagues, as trading partners. What the US is doing is interfering with the bargaining process. By doing so, it hardens all bargaining positions to the point where simple robbery becomes the only remedy available.

If the US would leave it's puppet governments in Korea, Japan, Indonesia, Philippines and Malaysia alone, they would mutually come to an agreement with the PRC. Would such an agreement be fair for them? Probably not, but that's the nature of the universe. Would it be dramatically unfair to them? Again, probably not. Deals would be worked. Accommodations would be made. Concessions would be granted. Unless you consider winning to be clubbing your opponent to death (the American way), everybody would win. Winning means getting the best deal you can. If you've done that, you've won.

As to Vietnam, most of the population there was born after 1975. 1975 was 41 years ago. I'm guessing, but from my experiences in Vietnam in the last 10 years, I suspect that 70% of the population has no memory of the war. For the remaining 30%, I suspect they know quite well who and what Americans are.

Vietnam also has a thousand year old fear of China. I suspect their "embrace" of America is nothing more than a card to play due to its fear of Chinese hegemony. For the Vietnamese leadership, it is not only a bargaining chip, it is a poker game.

You have to know when to hold them,
Know when to fold them,
Know when to walk away,
Know when to run.

The US show card might win Vietnam a bluff or two against China, but I can't imagine America is anybody's favorite in Vietnam.

Posted by: Macon Richardson | May 22, 2016 9:50:33 PM | 32

@fast freddie #7

aptly documented in Fletcher Prouty's book, JFK. The scum CIA and their co conspirators the USN transported over 1MN Tokinese from the north and dumped them in the Mekong Delta. Soon, because they were pennyless and homeless, to become the Vietcong. How will we ever atone for the heinous atrocities we have perpetrated on other peoples?

Posted by: Skipper | May 23, 2016 12:03:08 AM | 33

What did I say. No ceasefire in Syria. I'm not sure if I'm a prophet or just a tea leaf reading pandit. I'll leave it up to you to decide.

Posted by: Andy V | May 23, 2016 12:39:45 AM | 34

b

As I read your piece, I was overwhelmed by visions of small desktop items (and anything else within reach) being violently thrown around your room, interspersed with kicked chairs & rubbish baskets while the air turned a shade of dark blue.

The last few years have had me thinking back "to all the crap I learned in high school" and wondering if ANYTHING I learned & thought was true, is in fact true!?!? Geography probably - History . . . . not so much.

Do you have a cleaner that comes in per chance??

Posted by: kiwicris | May 23, 2016 12:40:43 AM | 35

The visits of various US officials to Hanoi sound like desperation. Perhaps Hanoi should try to extract as many concessions out of O'Bomber as it can (at least to cover what the US owes it in war damages) if the US wants to start parking its warships in Cam Ranh Bay again.

Posted by: Jen | May 23, 2016 12:52:50 AM | 36

Here is a link to the China perspective on Obama's visit to Vietnam

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-05/22/c_135379555.htm

I am hopeful that the G20 meeting in China this September will mark the call for a new Bretton Woods global finance agreement. And I expect the global economic situation will be more ugly/grim by then for various reasons.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 23, 2016 1:10:52 AM | 37

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vietnam-obama-idUSKCN0YD050
U.S. to completely lift Vietnam lethal arms embargo

Posted by: okie farmer | May 23, 2016 2:58:45 AM | 38

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vietnam-obama-southchinasea-idUSKCN0YE0KY?il=0
Obama in Vietnam says freedom of navigation important

Posted by: okie farmer | May 23, 2016 3:02:33 AM | 39

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/05/23/viet-m23.html
Obama seeks Vietnam military ties amid rising tensions with China
By Bill Van Auken
23 May 2016

President Barack Obama arrived in Hanoi late Sunday for a three-day visit aimed at aligning Vietnam more directly with Washington’s “pivot to Asia.”

Forty-one years after the last US troops were forced to flee the country aboard helicopters taking off from the Saigon embassy rooftop, US imperialism’s aim is to draw Vietnam ever more deeply into US war preparations against China.

Among the items reportedly on the Pentagon’s wish list are the pre-positioning of military equipment in Vietnam, on the pretext of preparing for “disaster relief,” and increased access to the strategic ports of Cam Ranh Bay and Danang to the north, both of which served as major bases during the US war (1963–75) that killed an estimated 3 million Vietnamese.

Posted by: okie farmer | May 23, 2016 3:12:41 AM | 40

$$$$Kaching $$$$

Vietnam's VietJet to buy 100 Boeing planes for US$11.3b
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/vietnam-s-vietjet-to-buy/2808626.html

Posted by: pantaraxia | May 23, 2016 8:31:11 AM | 41

This morning Margaret Brennen on CBS news said "the Vietnam war led to tens of thousands of deaths on both sides." I guess it depends on how you round your numbers, but she may have short changed the Vietnamese a touch.

Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | May 23, 2016 8:42:53 AM | 42

Instead, that jackass Trudeau is pushing on behalf of the USA the TPP, TTIP and CDIP.

-- fast freddy @ 26.

Here is Trud-sexy-Junior endorsing Parubyi (sp?), now speaker of the Urkr. Parliament, a long-time violent rabid neo-nazi / fascist though those terms have become vague, empty of meaning.… Heh, but not in his case.

Pic, 2016

Wiki on him is softly smooching, it is amazing. Such lies. They call him an ‘independence activist’ bwaaahhh. This is the stuff ppl read it they look him up!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Parubiy


Posted by: Noirette | May 23, 2016 9:16:31 AM | 43

Posted by: Noirette | May 23, 2016 9:16:31 AM

I had been a NDP supporter for most of my life but when the three parties standing shoulder to shoulder in support of the coup in Kiev that did it for me . I was actually glad when they took a hit in the next election .Kind of gave me a bit of comfort in thinking that other NDPers are also paying attention outside of Canada .

Posted by: Terry | May 23, 2016 9:32:15 AM | 44

Has any POTUS been as teflon as Obomba?
Has anyone seen any critique in the MSM re his stupid policies that has the world in flames,and America embarrassed every day by his crummy decisions?
Not a word.
Read comments on his latest whackamole exercise in Pak,in the lying times,,and many respondents think he is smart.Fixed comments?

Posted by: dahoit | May 23, 2016 10:33:23 AM | 45

Posted by: dahoit | May 23, 2016 10:33:23 AM

I guess it all depends but there seems to be a time (now) to through him under the bus . "Remember the Iran deal? Of course you do. The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) was one of the greatest diplomatic agreements of our time, a last-ditch effort to stop Iran from acquiring a nuclear bomb and thus avert inevitable military action by the United States and its allies. Hard negotiations provided a verifiable inspections plan that would keep Iran walking the straight and narrow for at least a decade, if not longer. The media, of course, served only as the impartial platform for analysis and debate. http://thefederalist.com/2016/05/23/the-iran-deal-wasnt-about-nukes-at-all/

Well worth the read just as a pea to watch for the future .

Posted by: Terry | May 23, 2016 11:23:25 AM | 46

Honestly, if the Vietnamese fall for this latest US BS - after the disastrous 1945-1975 attempts to destroy the country - well, then they deserve what is surely coming their way. Makes one wonder if there is any hope for humanity...

Posted by: GoraDiva | May 24, 2016 9:19:30 AM | 47

Sorry - actually, the various US nefarious actions against VietNam, including embargoes, lasted well after 1975...

Posted by: GoraDiva | May 24, 2016 9:22:06 AM | 48

46;The Iran deal was his only accomplishment in 8 years.
13;Did China have the temerity to issue the Mao Doctrine back in the day?They maybe should have,but I guess their arrogance has limits,unlike US.
The Monroe Doctrine is a warning of war to anyone who tries to coopt Canada or Mexico into anti American provocation.
It's good to be the king eh?

Posted by: dahoit | May 24, 2016 9:40:16 AM | 49

PS;The idoit in chief says big nations shouldn't bully smaller nations.sheesh.

Posted by: dahoit | May 24, 2016 9:41:28 AM | 50

@46 Terry

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) was one of the greatest diplomatic agreements of our time, a last-ditch effort to stop Iran from acquiring a nuclear bomb


The only thing this agreement succeeded in was in deflating Israel’s belligerence balloon and denying Netanyahoo his hysterical casas belli in provoking a U.S.-Iranian war. As every western intelligence agency (including all 16 branches of the U.S. intelligence apparatus and Mossad) had concluded by 2007 that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier and had not shown any intention in restarting it.

The Iran nuclear bomb threat was a canard propagated by Israel and its minions in the U.S. to provide an excuse for economic sanctions and political ostracization. It also laid the groundwork for justification of some future attack on Iran.

In 2010 Obama rejected the Tehran Nuclear Declaration, an Iran nuclear deal with Brazil and Turkey, despite the fact that Obama himself had written a letter to Brazil’s President Lula encouraging him to pursue the fuel swap with Iran.

This diplomatic agreement will, in all likelihood, have a very short shelf life. The supposed sanctions relief is not forthcoming as the U.S. Treasury is quietly impeding international banks from normalizing relations with Iran (stalling tactic?). And if Clinton should become the next president then all bets are off. The threat of war with Iran, at Israel’s behest, will likely become the preferred option.

Posted by: pantaraxia | May 24, 2016 11:50:29 AM | 51


"Only Nixon can go to China."

Only Obama can to to Viet Nam?

I don't think this is what we were thinking when we agreed with "Yes we can!"
I was hoping it meant end two wasteful wars and demilitarize America.
Maybe even stop the fear mongering.

Craig

Posted by: Craig D. Cummings | May 25, 2016 3:18:58 AM | 52

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