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May 20, 2016
Open Thread (NOT U.S. Election) 2016-19
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Again — would Peter Lavelle kindly shut up and let his guests talk? Posted by: chet380 | May 20 2016 18:35 utc | 2 Seeing there’s not much happening here on this Open Thread compared to the other Open Thread devoted to the 2016 US Presidential elections, and since nmb led off with that link to an article on Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff’s suspension, maybe I’ll pick up the torch and lead off with the observation that the US is using Latin American countries’ own political institutions against them to install pro-Washington neoliberal governments.
Posted by: Jen | May 20 2016 22:09 utc | 3 @3 jen ‘but the legislative function and the judicial function (Supreme Court) seem to be dominated by right-wing parties. This is where the US is exploiting the vulnerability of Latin American political structures by cultivating politicians in those parties.’ Posted by: jfl | May 20 2016 22:29 utc | 4 Yes, Brazil now owned by golden saxs and the imf. They were so close. Posted by: jo6pac | May 20 2016 22:29 utc | 5 Posted by: chet380 | May 20, 2016 2:35:55 PM | 2 Posted by: Jack Smith | May 20 2016 22:29 utc | 6 Glenn Greenwald’s Interview with Dilma Rousseff: Her First Since Being Suspended YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1nE8E-0u5E Posted by: Terry | May 20 2016 23:13 utc | 7 Jack Smith | May 20, 2016 6:29:44 PM | 6 Posted by: V. Arnold | May 21 2016 2:28 utc | 9 @ chet380 | May 20, 2016 2:35:55 PM | 2 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 21 2016 3:08 utc | 10 @1 nmb – thanks for starting a conversation on what is happening in brazil. Posted by: james | May 21 2016 3:26 utc | 11 Victoria Nuland: Hillary’s Warmonger In Waiting
Events still proceed slowly in Kiev after the recent removal of Yatsenyuk and the appointment of Groisman as the new PM. This was despite considerable worry by the regime about the second anniversary, early this month, of the arson and murders at the Odessa Trade Union Building. But the big news on the Eastern Front is that, at least for the purposes of song contests, European values include weeping over Nazi collaborators.
So far, only one appointment by the new government has come under fire. Poroshenko named a close crony without legal credentials as the new anti-corruption prosecutor, not surprisinly producing some suspicion. Poroshenko would seem likely to disappoint popular expectations of reduced corruption. Posted by: rufus magister | May 21 2016 4:17 utc | 13 Thanks for the Brazil materials. The link @7 to the Greenwald interview of Dilma Rouseff was on YouTube. Here’s the source page at The Intercept – it contains a backgrounder on the situation as well as a transcript of the English subtitles, for those who have less time: Posted by: Grieved | May 21 2016 4:41 utc | 14 I like Peter Lavelle. He puts together a good assembly of guests. Perhaps he talks too much on occasion but that is small price to pay for good programming. Posted by: ToivoS | May 21 2016 4:54 utc | 15 Grieved @14 Posted by: psychohistorian | May 21 2016 5:14 utc | 16 Israeli politician in line to be defence minister called for ‘disloyal’ Israeli Arabs to be beheaded
‘Netanyahu-Liberman government shows signs of fascism,’ Ehud Barak says
Parallels Between Israel and 1930s Germany
See also Gideon Levy: Americans “Are Supporting the First Signs of Fascism in Israel”. From my point of view, these guys are all understating the situation, both in Israel and in the USA. Posted by: jfl | May 21 2016 5:35 utc | 17 @14 grieved.. i identified with you in regards greenwald, but although i stopped following him when he went with intercept, i have less hostility towards him then others.. i think he does good work.. he has lived in brazil for some time so it’s an issue close to him.. i think he is brilliant.. i don’t know his agenda and don’t know that he has one other then what i see him doing.. i think it might be unfair to accuse him as gatekeeper to snowden and for all we know, the powers that be would like to string up and lock away greenwald, like snowden – if they could.. so, i cut him a lot more slack then others i guess.. i think there is too much we don’t know about that goes on behind the scene. Posted by: james | May 21 2016 5:36 utc | 18 or, perhaps i meant to say ‘ it is hard to keep a closed mind, when so often things are not how they appear.. Posted by: james | May 21 2016 5:38 utc | 19 I bump into Greenwalds stuff once in awhile and so I cant say much other then it seems to match up with other Alt. Medias The Snoden stuff is both important and sensitive so won’t be dumped onto the web . Posted by: Terry | May 21 2016 5:43 utc | 20 @14 Grieved, ‘ I would welcome opinions on Greenwald and his integrity as a journalist’ Posted by: jfl | May 21 2016 5:45 utc | 21 @14 Grieved here and here Posted by: Jack Smith | May 21 2016 6:27 utc | 22 Jack Smith says @ 22: Posted by: john | May 21 2016 10:30 utc | 23 Re: Greenwald/Lavelle/Bausman/et al; why ask another’s opinion of their integrity? Find out for yourselves by doing the work. Posted by: V. Arnold | May 21 2016 11:16 utc | 24 Snowden as Limited Hangout: Posted by: fast freddy | May 21 2016 12:06 utc | 25 jfl # 17 Posted by: Terry | May 21 2016 13:29 utc | 26 @17
The hardcore fascists in Israel begin to excommunicate those Jews critical of themselves and of their genocide of the Palestinians. They crave ethnic/racial purity. It’s the Israelis against the Jews. The ‘real’ Jews against the JINOs – Jews in Name Only. Posted by: jfl | May 21 2016 13:40 utc | 27 Terry, Posted by: fastfreddy | May 21 2016 13:45 utc | 28 fastfreddy Posted by: Terry | May 21 2016 14:08 utc | 29 I’ve always found GG pretty good on the issues,and his only drawback is his LGBT connection,which sometimes makes him lose his perspective on reality,but hey no ones perfect. Posted by: dahoit | May 21 2016 14:24 utc | 30 Ukraine is not in the news these days. Rough summary on Donesk People’s Republic. Posted by: Noirette | May 21 2016 14:43 utc | 31 @17 jfl.. the topic of israel moving further to the right seems to be in the news right now.. i like gideon levy, max blumenthal and what they have to say generally. a quote from the bottom link – “The worst curse that you can hear today is you are a leftist. It’s a curse in Israel. This atmosphere, violent, aggressive, and lacking any kind of tolerance, is above all dangerous for the future of Israel.” bds is the most obvious tool for changing some of this.. wonder when bds becomes against the law, or has it already? Posted by: james | May 21 2016 16:08 utc | 32 Terry @29 – Your comment ‘Seems along with the Vatican and DC for that matter they have roots that go way back’ triggered a fond memory of a documentary I watched back in 2011 by Bill Still called ‘The Secret of Oz’. Still connects the City of London, DC and the Vatican as the centers of power behind the building of the global/international order we are witness to today. He uses the story of the Wizard of Oz, the one we’ve all seen gazillion times on the idiot box NOT the original story, to illustrate what the powers were communicating to the masses via film about this world order 40+ years ago. There is much more to the documentary that I fear I will do a disservice if I keep rambling on about it. Maduro is now in very serious trouble. The OAS will soon decide if Venezuela shall be expelled from the organization, this will open up the country to suffer sanctions that will deal a mortal blow to the current government. Maduro is now on the ropes, he is aware that their might be a coup and has mobilized the military. The situation in the country as per people I have spoke to very dire. Posted by: Fernando Arauxo | May 21 2016 16:39 utc | 35 http://journal-neo.org/2016/05/21/battle-for-aleppo-the-end-of-erdogan-s-ottoman-dream-in-syria/ Posted by: okie farmer | May 21 2016 17:16 utc | 36 The Syria conflict is a proxy war between the US + its allies (KSA, not in favor right now, Israel, Gulfies, etc.) against Russia (+ Iran, Hezb. etc.) It swerves and sways between different declarations and is set to jell as a ‘frozen conflict’ (see also Ukraine) while the different parties position themselves not only in Syria but elsewhere. Posted by: Noirette | May 21 2016 18:32 utc | 37 Everything should be considered suspect and researched further. There are no golden knights, but there are the Knights of Columbus, Opus Dei, and etc. There are no hard and fast disqualifiers wrt Limited Hangouts. Because one thing appears to be a Limited Hangout, does not discount the other as a Limited Hangout also. Posted by: fast freddy | May 21 2016 21:03 utc | 38 another impoverished nation fed into the maw of Dragon Inc http://www.rense.com/general96/montenegroNATO.html Posted by: ruralito | May 21 2016 21:19 utc | 39 @35, I’ve seen vids of Maduro giving speeches to big crowds who support him; did you talk to any of them? eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERUtNiaMtw Posted by: ruralito | May 21 2016 21:24 utc | 40 @27 it _is_ a good sign. More Jews are becoming embarrassed by Israel. If enough get in AIPAC’s face Israel will be stalemated and have to find a more congenial site. For years I’ve called for a Jewish[sic] State[sic] in N. Nevada. Getting more plausible by the hour. Posted by: ruralito | May 21 2016 21:32 utc | 41 Some pieces of news weigh more than others and they could have been placed in more than one category. You just can’t miss or ignore them. The capture of US, French intelligence operatives by Hezbollah in Aleppo is a good example, as it has many implications. So I briefly review what happened and what this means: massoud@42 – Interesting. I was just going to put up the FARS news article:
So far, complete absence of any mention in Western MSM. Hmmmm…. Posted by: PavewayIV | May 21 2016 22:54 utc | 43 in re 34 — Posted by: rufus magister | May 21 2016 22:57 utc | 44 Hmmmm Posted by: likklemore | May 22 2016 0:19 utc | 45 @h 34 Posted by: MadMax2 | May 22 2016 2:01 utc | 46 Yip Harburg was the lyricist for the movie, The Wizard of Oz. Here’s a link to an interview of Yip where he explains the whole movie in terms of its symbolism; it’s a wonderful video to watch; Posted by: V. Arnold | May 22 2016 2:51 utc | 47 It could almost look like a ground war between the spooks of several nations in Aleppo. Posted by: Grieved | May 22 2016 2:57 utc | 48
Russia will not allow Syria to conduct a trial of anyone, particularly an Israeli Op. Hezbollah though, will ensure a lengthy interrogation and quite disappearance of those who fall into their hands. Posted by: alkomv | May 22 2016 4:00 utc | 49 ” Posted by: Penelope | May 22 2016 4:48 utc | 50 Here is a link to a story that say that a US drone killed Mullah Mansoor who is/was a top Afghan Taliban leader Posted by: psychohistorian | May 22 2016 4:51 utc | 51 V. Arnold @ 24, There’s nothing the least bit wrong in asking for the opinion of others. Especially since one expects any worthwhile opinion to be accompaniied by experiences, facts, links, etc. Presumably you too are on the site in part to consult the info donated by others. Posted by: Penelope | May 22 2016 5:02 utc | 52 21st Century Wire has close conact w a couple local journalists in Syria & they have a slew of stories on Syria, the fighting, US intentions, what Carter said, etc, etc. Posted by: Penelope | May 22 2016 5:57 utc | 53 huge massacre around the mines in RDC and the police attacked the demonstrators asking the government for acountability yesterday in kinshasa Posted by: Mina | May 22 2016 8:17 utc | 54 http://journal-neo.org/2016/05/22/al-qaeda-heroes-of-the-empire/ Posted by: okie farmer | May 22 2016 8:40 utc | 55 PRIVACY & GOVERNMENT/CORPORATE SURVEILLANCE: Posted by: susette | May 22 2016 10:26 utc | 56 james at 32. On USA textbooks – for readers unaware: Posted by: Noirette | May 22 2016 12:11 utc | 57 Noirette | May 22, 2016 8:11:49 AM | 57 Posted by: V. Arnold | May 22 2016 12:30 utc | 58 Let me just add; if nothing else, listen to the first chapter, The way it Used to Be; if that doesn’t grab you nothing can… Posted by: V. Arnold | May 22 2016 12:35 utc | 59 V Arnold The Prussian education system refers to the system of education established in Prussia as a result of educational reforms in the late 18th and early 19th century, which has had widespread influence since. It is predominantly used as an American political slogan in educational reform debates, since it was adopted by all American K-12 public schools and major universities as early as the late 18th century, and is often used as a derogatory term for education in the service of nation-building, teaching children and young adults blind obedience to authority, and reinforcing class and race prejudice.[1] The actual Prussian education system was introduced as a basic concept in the late 18th century and was significantly enhanced after Prussia’s defeat in the early stages of the Napoleonic Wars. The Prussian educational reforms inspired other countries and remains important as a biopower in the Foucaultian sense for nation-building.[2] Compulsory education on the Prussian example was soon mirrored in Scandinavia, and US states started to adopt the Prussian example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system Posted by: Terry | May 22 2016 12:44 utc | 60 @ Noirette Posted by: V. Arnold | May 22 2016 12:48 utc | 61 Terry | May 22, 2016 8:44:21 AM | 60 Posted by: V. Arnold | May 22 2016 12:51 utc | 62 RM@13 Posted by: Wayoutwest | May 22 2016 14:24 utc | 63 unitedsnake is here to ‘protect’ its ‘allies’ from the big bad dragon , or so we heard. Posted by: denk | May 22 2016 14:32 utc | 64 Denk #64 A better understanding biblically of woman and her roll would be ““It is not good that man should be alone. I will make him a companion of strength and power who has a saving power and is equal with him.” http://www.womeninthescriptures.com/2010/11/real-meaning-of-term-help-meet.html Posted by: Terry | May 22 2016 14:54 utc | 65 Iraq forces fire on and wound and kill many in Green Zone.Another travesty swept under the rug of forgetfulness,a puppet govt against its own people. Posted by: dahoit | May 22 2016 15:18 utc | 66 Re: Iraqi protesters fired on by government forces in Green Zone (@ dahoit 66) Posted by: jawbone | May 22 2016 15:29 utc | 67 @50 penelope.. thanks for stating that and acknowledging my comment.. as i have mentioned here before, i tend to read script, as opposed to listening to video feed.. for some reason i find the written format more enjoyable… Posted by: james | May 22 2016 15:46 utc | 68 @63 Same goes for Japanese internment in the US during WW2. Though admittedly their sins weren’t as grievous as the Waffen SS. Posted by: dh | May 22 2016 15:55 utc | 69 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 22 2016 18:08 utc | 70
Posted by: james | May 22 2016 19:47 utc | 71 Can anyone, sane, recommend books on 1) The Bosnian war, and 2) The 2008 conflict in Georgia? Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | May 22 2016 21:07 utc | 72 Trump’s Five Questions on US Foreign Policy
Of course they’re essential. They won’t be discussed in the corporate media, that’s for sure. The US has all its eggs in one physical basket : war; and one imaginary basket : finance. It’s losing its wars, although it is simultaneously bringing about unimaginable suffering in all the countries where it is prosecuting those wars … Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Yemen … and creating a bone-deep hatred for the US and its citizens world wide. When it finally is seen to have lost all the horrid wars that it’s started, its imaginary, financial hegemony will disappear like a puff of smoke as well. And all of us Americans will wake up in the gutter … gee, what happened? Posted by: jfl | May 22 2016 23:40 utc | 73 Interesting side note; Thailand has frozen the U.S. out of defense procurements. Posted by: V. Arnold | May 23 2016 1:23 utc | 74 I have little to add @ 72, For info on the two matters I would recommend you use the internal search at GlobalResearch.ca. Posted by: Penelope | May 23 2016 5:10 utc | 75 Susette @ 56, What a creep the guy is. “the enlightened, bourgeois subject asserting his or her right to be left alone, Posted by: Penelope | May 23 2016 5:11 utc | 76 Here is a link about Fukushima from the China press Posted by: psychohistorian | May 23 2016 5:21 utc | 77 DH@69 Posted by: Wayoutwest | May 23 2016 6:03 utc | 78 jfl says: Posted by: john | May 23 2016 9:17 utc | 79 Can anyone, sane, recommend books on 1) The Bosnian war (..) Posted by: Noirette | May 23 2016 12:10 utc | 80 Just dropping this spin /spin piece for any one still on the thread . “The Iran Deal Wasn’t About Nukes At All Posted by: Terry | May 23 2016 13:23 utc | 81 @73 jfl Posted by: MadMax2 | May 23 2016 13:36 utc | 82 @78 Absolutely correct. The situation of Japanese immigrants in the US was in no way comparable to the brutality of the Tartars punitive battalions in Yevpatoria. Posted by: dh | May 23 2016 13:53 utc | 83 Does anyone have any insight with regard to Syrian poetry as described by these articles:
Anti-war or anti-Assad? Authentic voices or propaganda? Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 23 2016 13:58 utc | 84 DH@83 Posted by: Wayoutwest | May 23 2016 14:34 utc | 85 @ 85 Thanks for mentioning Native Americans. I was thinking of talking about Cherokees and Sioux but I chose to go with Japanese because of the WW2 connection. Posted by: dh | May 23 2016 15:03 utc | 86 Today’s bombings in Syria: the famous “B Plan” announced by KSA in Geneva recently. With full support of the French if I am to believe the official propaganda (listen to the so called specialist of Yemen on France Culture news at 12h30 today 23 May) where the so called expert praises KSA for being ready to negociate with the Houtis but does not even mention their role in bombing Yemen! Posted by: Mina | May 23 2016 16:04 utc | 87 rape victim on okinawa… Posted by: denk | May 23 2016 16:30 utc | 88 I think dh’s points on the Eurovision episode stand, while wayoutwest’s points corroborate dh’s position that the judges’ decision was politically motivated. (I didn’t see dh on any of his posts praising Stalin for the ethnic cleansing of Crimea, nor, more importantly, does Putin.) Posted by: juliania | May 23 2016 16:37 utc | 89 @82 MM2 Posted by: jfl | May 23 2016 17:38 utc | 90 @89 Thanks Juliana. We’re used to WOW here. He likes to bring up dead dictators. For every Stalin I raise him two Hitlers. Posted by: dh | May 23 2016 17:43 utc | 91 While on the topic of deportations, massacres, and concentration camps, what the French did in Algeria was *monstrous.* 2 – or much more *million* people displaced into camps, deprived, x proportion died (starvation, disease.) etc. That is without even mentioning ‘prison’, straight out massacres day by day (sometimes as usual not enough! bullets), regular torture, rape, and even worse atrocities which hurt to write about. Posted by: Noirette | May 23 2016 19:37 utc | 92 @ juliania 89 Posted by: wendy davis | May 23 2016 19:57 utc | 93 Jackrabbit @ 84, Posted by: Penelope | May 23 2016 22:19 utc | 94 Terry @ 81, The idea that the US wanted to leave “management’ of the middle east in Iranian hands (as a US proxy) Posted by: Penelope | May 23 2016 22:59 utc | 95 @95 penelope… you say some intelligent things from time to time, but then go off the deep end every now and again by saying really silly stuff as you have again in your last paragraph here… not sure why you do this as it makes you look really foolish.. Posted by: james | May 23 2016 23:29 utc | 96 I see references in Western media to Syrian poetry 2011-2013 but then little thereafter. The rise of ISIS and their atrocities against artists/writers/journalists meant that anti-regime poetry stopped or seemed less urgent? Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 24 2016 0:26 utc | 97 @72 ihlta, @80 noirette Posted by: jfl | May 24 2016 4:19 utc | 98 Aha … typepad hates archive.org? Posted by: jfl | May 24 2016 4:27 utc | 99 James @ 96, Posted by: Penelope | May 24 2016 5:16 utc | 100 |
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