To those who believe in the inevitability of human progress …
A Sumerian fighter in the 4th millennium BC smashing the head of his enemy & a Sumerian fighter 2016 with #ISIS
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May 30, 2016
On The Inevitability Of Human Progress
To those who believe in the inevitability of human progress …
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The killing machines have certainly become more efficient. Posted by: dh | May 30 2016 14:30 utc | 2 The inevitability of human progress is certain; but its direction is not… Posted by: V. Arnold | May 30 2016 14:33 utc | 3 Excellent! Thanks for the pictures. Says it all. So much for ‘civilization.’ Is it any wonder that I don’t find so-called ‘progressives’ any different from neo-cons, cons, neo-libs, libs and the rest? The light bulb is not progress, along with everything from sliced bread to large homes and fancy gadgets (even this computer), if it does nothing to enhance the relationship between one human and another. We’d be better off living the life of a speechless predator without an opposable thumb. Posted by: rg the lg | May 30 2016 14:40 utc | 4 This is a particularly bitter moment of history . It looks like a reversal of progress to me. A madness takes hold of humanity when people are driven to despair. Hedges has described this well. Rituals of violent purification, purification and supposed sanctification through violence. But the world is not made whole by this insanity. Thanks for the reminder b, pragmatism is always good medicine. Posted by: ben | May 30 2016 14:41 utc | 6 Memorial Day here in the U$A sooooo Posted by: ben | May 30 2016 14:49 utc | 7 Ahhh… Bronze Age wars. Those were the days. Nothing like a spear and good sickle-sword to smite your enemies. Posted by: PavewayIV | May 30 2016 14:54 utc | 8 Tranny bathroom rights are the important thing right now. That’s your march of progress. Posted by: fnn | May 30 2016 15:46 utc | 10 A progressive told me flatly that he wasn’t particularly concerned about Libya. Safe to say, by implication that he hasn’t a whit of concern over the innocents that were slaughtered there; and the raping and plundering and the wanton destruction of that country. Surely we wouldn’t be off the mark to lump in Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Honduras, and any other non-US territory in his list of no concern. Posted by: fast freddy | May 30 2016 15:54 utc | 11 Yes. Homo Sapiens are a violent bunch. A spear? An automatic rifle? The difference in 2016 is the possibility of a nuclear first strike. The PTB act as if we can sing ‘Over There!’ and fight the good fight. In 2016 things are different. There are Russian Boomers stationed off of Washington DC that reportedly we, the US Military are unable to detect. This belligerent war talk spewed by Neo________________ (fill in the blank)does not take into consideration the nuclear aspect of war in the year 2016. Russia obviously wants no part of ‘Cold War II’ and its attendant Hollyweird inspired saber rattling. Posted by: ALberto | May 30 2016 15:58 utc | 12 Interest link to buttress my opinion … Posted by: ALberto | May 30 2016 16:06 utc | 13 i actually believe that this was also Posted by: chris m | May 30 2016 16:10 utc | 14 > We’d be better off living the life of a Posted by: dumbass | May 30 2016 16:15 utc | 15 12;It is quite obvious Zion is behind US saber rattling vs Russia. Posted by: dahoit | May 30 2016 16:30 utc | 16 Well, an apt post for USA Memorial Day.
Posted by: jawbone | May 30 2016 17:11 utc | 17 I have read, I think in several sources, that in neolithic times there was no violence between humans. I haven’t researched this is any way, but I gather the archaeological record shows no evidence of warfare. Could be mistaken. Posted by: Grieved | May 30 2016 17:36 utc | 19 How Russia is preparing for WWIII … Posted by: ALberto | May 30 2016 17:40 utc | 20 As Iraqi Kurdistan’s Peshmerga launches a new offensive just east of the major ISIS city of Mosul, witnesses on the ground reported US troops loading into armored vehicles and heading eastward, toward the front lines. The Pentagon refused to confirm where the troops were headed. Posted by: ALberto | May 30 2016 18:13 utc | 21 Unlikely Sumerians in the 4th millenium …
Assyrian Empire 25th century BC–612 BC
See also reliefs in palace of King Ashurbanipal, c. 660-650 B.C. with scenes depicting the aftermath of the Battle of Til-Tuba in Elam. Both ancient Sumeria and the same region today are embroilled state systems (or aspiring states). It is the preceeding long-running paleolithic stateless period that had low levels of violence (and what there was was generally between individuals and families). The hierarchically structures agriculture-based neolithic systems saw a big increase in institutionalised violence. But it was with state systems that organised warfare took hold and flourished, and it still does today. Posted by: John Earls | May 30 2016 18:38 utc | 24 Better example is the current genocide in Yemen, led by “the most shining light on the hill”. Posted by: tom | May 30 2016 19:01 utc | 25 An interesting read: Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 30 2016 19:33 utc | 26 To John Earls: “The propensity to violence is the product of human social organization, not of intrinsic human tendencies..” Posted by: norma lacy | May 30 2016 19:36 utc | 27 Chris Hedges – “The Myth of Human Progress and the Collapse of Complex Societies” Posted by: okie farmer | May 30 2016 19:46 utc | 28 It turns out to be a relief of Tiglath-Pileser III (747-727 BC) at Nimrud. Assyrian, not Sumerian. The relief is in the British Museum, not blown up by ISIS. Posted by: Laguerre | May 30 2016 19:50 utc | 29 Journalists question to John McCain.”Russia, China and Iran have warned the US of catastrophic consequences if the US attacks Syria, what are your thoughts on that? Posted by: harrylaw | May 30 2016 19:57 utc | 30 Formerly T-Bear@26 – You keep enticing us with these interesting-sounding books, T-Bear. I think I have about six on my list from your posts so far. Do you have all these yourself or just live at the library? I always wish I had the luxury of time to sit and read for a few hours – I hate reading an entire book a few pages here and there. Posted by: PavewayIV | May 30 2016 20:00 utc | 31 @24 John Earls .. ditto normas comment @26 – thanks for your comments which i also think nails it on the head.. Posted by: james | May 30 2016 20:27 utc | 32 copeland #5 noted: In Ancient Greek thought, there is the idea of history moving in cycles. So there is no linear movement toward progress. Posted by: ToivoS | May 30 2016 20:31 utc | 33 Here’s PCR Posted by: fast freddy | May 30 2016 20:32 utc | 34 @ PavewayIV | May 30, 2016 4:00:30 PM | 31 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 30 2016 20:59 utc | 35 @ PavewayIV | May 30, 2016 4:00:30 PM | 31 Posted by: DavidKNZ | May 30 2016 20:59 utc | 36 Well, this is an oversimplification from Magnier. Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 30 2016 21:05 utc | 37 Being retired (or retarded) with a younger, still working wife, I have both the time and the resources to indulge in reading. My mornings are usually spent reading a long list of informational sites, starting with Counterpunch and ending with Unz. MoA falls somewhere in the middle. The afternoons are spent fiddling around with my model railroad layout. The evenings are spent reading books. I used to give books to the local library but found most in the annual ‘used book sale fund raiser’ and then not purchased. Even the local small university found them extraneous to their collections. Why? Posted by: rg the lg | May 30 2016 21:24 utc | 38 @Laguerre – #29 No Muslim family should engage in birth control: Erdogan
The takfiri Turk deals genocidal death to his enemies and issues a fatwa against birth control.
S. Brian Willson. The railroad track man, not the beach boy, reminding us that the US dealt death, devastation, and destuction of the Middle East is like a replay of the US dealt death, devastation, and destruction of Southeast Asia. @29. Laguerre ‘The relief is in the British Museum, not blown up by ISIS. Pretty typical of ancient kings.’
The Anglo-Saxons – those ancient kings who occupied an area of only about 50,000 square miles, larger than Connecticut but a good bit smaller than New England – carried off the gods of the Assyrians, the Indians, the Greeks themselves … to their own museums. The march of progress, aeh? “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” – George Orwell Posted by: Sordo | May 30 2016 23:12 utc | 43 b, odd you should ask this question today. Yesterday I was writing a peroration against some of the notions planted to disable us as resistors. I do this sometimes to protect myself from contamination. Wish I’d seen your post earlier. I would’ve edited down my comment. But I’m going out now so will post it as is. Apologies for the length. Inevitable? No, of course not, but we do have free will, if only we can find enough people to break through “group think”. Posted by: Penelope | May 31 2016 0:00 utc | 44 Grieved @ 19: Posted by: Jen | May 31 2016 0:41 utc | 45 The root cause of this topic is impunity. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 31 2016 1:17 utc | 46 @19 grieved.. i went back and read what you wrote after @44 jen pointed it out.. i must have skipped over it.. i really like and resonate with what you stated at 19.. thanks for that.. Posted by: james | May 31 2016 1:20 utc | 47 So I look at the two pictures and I think, what is the connection? So many centuries apart yet exhibiting the same penchant for head stomping. Then it hits me! Gluten! These guys are both Tigris Euphrates genetic types prone to gluten abuse that causes dreams of grandeur coupled with fits of insane violence. Gluten and Global Warming. That’s the ticket. Posted by: ALberto | May 31 2016 1:24 utc | 48 Magnier retweets: Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 31 2016 1:47 utc | 49 What of Human Progress? There is none. Posted by: likklemore | May 31 2016 2:11 utc | 50 @44 jen
The battle for ‘human nature’. Many manifestations. Stephen Jay Gould wrote The mismeasure of man debunking the IQ line which has supplanted racism and he’s still drawing pot shots, especially now that he’s dead and can no longer defend himself. I think humans biggest problem is hubris. We keep trying to think ourselves at the top of something/everything, when to the Cosmos, we are but a grain of sand. Posted by: psychohistorian | May 31 2016 3:51 utc | 52 Jen @ 44 – Thank you for Steven Corry’s article. I read it. Apparently then, the violence began about 10,000 years ago, and prior to this the record shows warfare of any kind to be such a vastly rare occurrence as to form a complete anomaly in the pattern of life. Posted by: Grieved | May 31 2016 5:24 utc | 53 In classical understanding, the female principle is held to be wisdom, while the male principle is understood as energy. Personally, I have no trouble looking at the past 10,000 years, right up to the one we currently inhabit, and see energy rampant and unrestrained without the guidance of wisdom. It was not always this way. And the ancient way can arise again. Posted by: Grieved | May 31 2016 5:30 utc | 54 rg the lg @ 4 You said, :Alas, we don’t get to choose.” In fact, you do get to choose. You get to choose for yourself how you will act. Choosing for yourself is the only legitimate choice you have. Posted by: Macon Richardson | May 31 2016 5:53 utc | 55 Further to ALberto’s posting of The Saker on Russia & WWIII (20), this from the indomitable John Helmer: Posted by: John Gilberts | May 31 2016 10:51 utc | 56 @52 grieved @ fairleft | 40, hmmm. Well, Jehovah was the god of war. Posted by: shadyl | May 31 2016 14:35 utc | 58 Oui at 22, 23 is correct. (Adding to his post ..) Old image: Posted by: Noirette | May 31 2016 15:57 utc | 59 @Noirette – #58
If it wasn’t for that guy with his foot on that other guys dead face, we wouldn’t be here on our PCs working jobs that make paper for things like new SUVs and expensive wines. Instead, we very might well be dead, with a boot on our collective face. We’ve gone soft in every way, because when our ancestors killed for empire and power, we ended up inheriting decadence and puerility. Still, we buy expensive shit and count ourselves lucky. I need to leave this planet. But before I do, I want to snort coke from an expensive hookers tits and drive a Ferrari. Posted by: dan | May 31 2016 17:20 utc | 63 The most trenchant and comprehensive book on this subject, IMHO, is “Weapons Systems and Political Stability: A History,” by Carroll Quigley, University Press of America, 1983. It’s also on Kindle. Some of the strongest analyses are in Chapter 1, “Human Condition and Security,” and Chapter 2, “The Prehistoric Period, to 4000 BC.” Prehistoric evolutionary evidence across two or so million years offers little if any evidence for the idea that humans are natural killers. The evidence from the studies on predation bear this out. Until the Heroic Hunter cultures of about 700,000 BCE there is a paucity of support to the idea of humans as killer primates and none that it is DNA-determined behavior. If anything genetic shifts in biological evolution points to indeterministic changes and diminutions of instincts. Posted by: Glorious Bach | May 31 2016 18:40 utc | 64 I would just like to say that I’m really glad that commenters like Grieved, James, JFL, Glorious Bach and others I’ve forgotten (or can’t be arsed to look back over in case I get distracted yet again) have chimed into this forum with information and discussion that confirm the role of extreme violence and brutality as tools used by elites or others to oppress people physically and psychologically throughout our history, and that one way of using this violence to keep people in despair and hopelessness is to suggest (through selective use of anthropological or sociological research, or selective teaching of history) that such violence has always been part of human nature and therefore it is “normal”, “biologically determined” or “major part of our genetic inheritance”. Posted by: Jen | May 31 2016 23:17 utc | 65 where waterboarding started….in ph, Posted by: denk | Jun 1 2016 2:02 utc | 66 Man, I hated to laugh when I saw that but the point was well made. It reminded me of a recent column by Paul Craig Roberts about Israel justifying what they’re currently doing to the Palestinians by pointing to what the US did to the Native Americans in the 19th century. Posted by: Curtis | Jun 1 2016 3:12 utc | 67 66 Posted by: denk | Jun 1 2016 3:14 utc | 68 One suspects that writers (such as mentioned above) who cast Man as basically peaceful in nature, are “forgetting” the behaviour of Groups. Conventional Wisdom holds that Groups quickly degenerate into mindless, easily manipulated, entities with a collective morality of 0, and an IQ somewhat South of 50. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 1 2016 3:35 utc | 69 Earlier I have expressed great doubts about Elijah J. Magnier, his tweet about “A Sumerian fighter” and 4th millenium BC is historically false beyond pale!! That’s not a coincidence for someone who professes knowledge of the Middle East.
have seen on #Iran role in #Syria & #Iraq by @RZimmt. Worth reading it.” ○ Iranian Participation in the Liberation of Fallujah by Dr. Raz Zimmt
Paper is poorly written and utter bs propaganda! Who is Elijah J. Magnier? @OUI – “Who is Elijah J. Magnier” See excellent post by John Earls #24. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 1 2016 15:50 utc | 73 Imo Humans are endowed/cursed with too much, and too many varieties of, imagination. Being intrinsically competitive probably doesn’t help either. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 1 2016 16:07 utc | 74 @b
I’m quoting The Interpreter where his article was republished. Furthermore …
A Khodorkovsky publication: Who is Elijah J. Magnier
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The terror of the Islamic State is a continuation of the Sunni insurgency started under US invasion and occupation of Iraq. It’s strategy is based on AQI of which al-Zarqawi was an exponent. Unlikely the ISIS guy being an Assyrian Descendant Posted by: wilpattuHouse | Jun 2 2016 9:31 utc | 82 After seeing the most recent open and open election posts above, any probability of human progress must be a work of fiction worthy of the genre Science. Tribalism reigns supreme given the sovereignty of private opinion, unhindered by reality, praying at the twin alters of belief and myth on a prayer rug of finely woven ignorance. At least in the Dark Ages to come, what slithers from beneath the political rocks will be safe from any revelation of enlightenment. What shall we, when accounts must be given, say to our ancestors to explain our stewardship of our inheritance from them and how it was wasted. Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 4 2016 20:12 utc | 83 |
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