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April 26, 2016

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@105 phil.. thanks.. i am sure that is the case with many in the usa as well.. cheers james

Posted by: james | Apr 28 2016 1:45 utc | 101

Proof - Bernie Sanders support Regime Change. Remove Dr. Assad, democratically elected President of Syria from two leftists.

Very long TRNN video, according to Phyllis Bennis, she confirmed Bernie Sanders support Regime change. Bernie wanna go after IS first and than Dr. Bashar al-Assad. Watch starting 1.41.50 discussion between Phyllis and Paul about Hillary and Bernie..... Bernie lack Foreign Policy on Syria. Regime change without knowing what comes next... Bernie "wanna go after IS first and than Assad to me (Phyllis) that means regime change....." Whereas Paul said not necessary he will wanna regime change.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Apr 28 2016 2:13 utc | 102

Heard almost nothing from Bernie’s Foreign Policies namely:

If Bernie wanna go after IS before or after Syria’s regime change, will he support Russia 100% in Syria? Boots on the ground and stops arming the so call Free or moderate Syrians’ terrorists including Al Qaeda and Al Nustra Front?

How about Ukraine, will he stops instigate and immediately demand cessation Kiev daily bombing the Separatist in Donbass and comply with Minsk agreement? Will he pull the plugs on Turkey and Saudi? Not forgetting continue murdering/jailing kids in Gaza and West Bank?

Will Bernie stop TPP and TPIP and ganging with Japan, Korea and Southeast Asians Nations against China?

These are many questions one needs to find up before votes blindly for Bernie Sanders

Posted by: Jack Smith | Apr 28 2016 3:23 utc | 103

Bernie should point a gun to Hillary's head.

Make me your VP choice or I'll direct my supporters not to vote at the November Election.

Posted by: Julian | Apr 28 2016 3:57 utc | 104

David Evans consulted full-time for the Australian Greenhouse Office (now the Department of Climate Change) from 1999 to 2005, and part-time 2008 to 2010.

"I am a scientist who was on the carbon gravy train, understands the evidence, was once an alarmist, but am now a skeptic.
The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s. But the gravy train was too big, with too many jobs, industries, trading profits, political careers, and the possibility of world government and total control riding on the outcome. So rather than admit they were wrong, the governments, and their tame climate scientists, now outrageously maintain the fiction that carbon dioxide is a dangerous pollutant." -more- He sets out the actual point in dispute more clearly than anyone.

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 28 2016 4:11 utc | 105


We've discussed Dr. Evans before.

FYI: you can find a point-by-point rebuttal of David Evans claims in the "Who is David Evans" link.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 28 2016 6:05 utc | 106

@ Jackrabbit | Apr 28, 2016 2:05:10 AM | 111

Haven't you heard? Penelope has definite proof all that carryon just outside Jerusalem on Calvary hill some two millennium ago was a hoax, Penelope has the toast to prove it, explicitly showing the guy in the middle was a fake crucifixion of some actor. The toast is currently being scientifically tested in the Vatican's Ptolemy Inquisitional Laboratories Scientific (PILS) to ascertain it is actually toast which will verify what Penelope saw as being real. Take whatever Penelope has to offer at your own risk, and never, ever as reality related.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 28 2016 6:35 utc | 107

Wednesday, April 27, 2016: Full replay of Donald Trump’s speech on foreign policy at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington, DC.

Posted by: okie farmer | Apr 28 2016 7:09 utc | 108
28 April 2016

As the American political establishment enters the final stages of the primary contests to choose the presidential nominees of the Democratic and Republican parties, the acute danger confronting the US and international working class emerges more clearly. The leading contenders in both parties, Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump, are committed to a vast military escalation following the November election.

In a speech on foreign policy delivered Wednesday, Trump combined virulent nationalism with a pledge to carry out a massive buildup of the American military to overcome any and all opposition to the drive of US imperialism for world domination.

Declaring “America First” to be the guiding principle of his foreign policy, Trump proclaimed, “We will develop, build and purchase the best equipment known to mankind. Our military dominance must be unquestioned, and I mean unquestioned, by anybody and everybody.”

Posted by: okie farmer | Apr 28 2016 7:19 utc | 109

Quote from the book-review:
"The book presents literally dozens more absurdities. It’s just a story that would never happen the way we’re told unless it were made up. The book adduces reasonable evidence and/or absolute proof that:

"1.The backpack with the explosives was black; the backpack carried by Dzhokhar was white; the case against him should have been dismissed on that obvious ‘black vs. white’ fact alone.

"2. We know that government intelligence was in contact with both men for several years, also with members of their families; this jibes with other false flag operations, like 9/11, where suspects were long monitored by Intelligence.

"3. Audio of the Boston Bombing includes Boston law enforcement officials (LEOs) blaring from a bullhorn, “This is a bomb drill, do not be alarmed.” Tweets by those other than the Tsarnaev brothers announced that explosions were scheduled to go off… as part of a drill or some other controlled explosion.

"4. FBI special agent Richard DesLauriers—in response the wide Internet dispersal of photos of Craft International (government contractor-spook company) men on the scene carrying around and depositing (black) back packs—stated, “These (official FBI) images should be the only ones, and I emphasize the only ones, that the public should view…”

"5. All police statements about the alleged gunfight with the two brothers, the killing of Tamerlan, the apprehension of Dzhokhar in the boat, the alleged confession Dzhokhar wrote on the curved inside surface of the boat (in darkness), the handcuffed naked man, etc., are so fantastic and riddled with contradictions they must be rejected out of hand.

"6. An eyewitness claims the police ran over Tamerlan in the SUV, not Dzhokhar; Infowars asserts the brothers were trying to surrender to police, that they fired no weapons of any kind.

"7. The official story of Dzhokhar escaping from police and running over Tamerlan with the SUV to get away makes no sense: 1st, how would Dzhokhar manage to get away and, 2d, why would he deliberately run over his brother in any case, much less take the time to do so as he is trying to escape from the police?

"8. Judy Clarke, Dzhokhar’s famous defense attorney, greets the jury by stating that her client is guilty! She did not cross examine most of the prosecution’s 92 witnesses and only called four of her own. Clearly, she—along with the federalized LEOs, judges, prosecutors, jury members, and media—were scripted to suppress any evidence that might undermine the official story.

"9. The ‘Miracle Man’—his name is Jeff Bauman according the official story, but some have alleged (and, for one, does not challenge) that his real name is Nick Vogt, a US Army Veteran who lost his legs in action in Afghanistan before taking a leading crisis-actor role in the Bombing production—is scooted off on a wheelchair by Hollywood hero-moron, Carlos Arrendondo. With both legs blown off below the knees, and a loosely applied tourniquet to only one leg, why do we see no blood… anywhere? How is it Miracle Man is not screaming, or unconscious, or dead? Why did hero Carlos stick him on a wheelchair, anyway, with the torso raised to facilitate more blood loss? Where was Miracle Man carted off to?

"10. You’ll really appreciate the Commentary section of Allan William Powell’s chapter (5), where he does a simple listing of one flagrant contradiction after another—it’s actually comical how poorly the Bombing stage show was cobbled together. One notable farce: large numbers of ‘victims’ experience swaths of ripped clothing, particularly pants, with no shrapnel damage whatsoever to the body parts beneath the clothing. Two special bombs, eh?

"If you’re a viewer of all these incongruities and you still buy the official story, then, I’m sorry, your days on earth as a functioning human being capable of independent survival (even in the Idiocracy America has become) are numbered. And it’s a small number."

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 28 2016 8:01 utc | 110

@ Penelope | Apr 28, 2016 4:01:41 AM | 115

Don't overlook that photo down the street from the first explosion showing the active blast from the second explosion shooting upwards and toward the street - and the smoke below it already drifting away, a priori - and that was shielded by the bodies of the onlookers from the active explosion behind them.

Likely narrative: Disaster drill planned and being executed. Somebody (responsible) fecked up - people killed and injured. Scapegoat/Patsies created, blamed and cornered. Survivor patsy put to full rigours of AmeriKKKan justice and awaiting execution - far from the sight or ears of the public. Nothing to see here - move along.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 28 2016 9:48 utc | 111

Assad,s sole purpose is to block the gulf gas pipeline to europe with the help of gazprom.
the us is supposed to help the gulf states achieve this
gas for europe was discounted if it took excess population hence the refugee flow.the middle east is running out of water so farmers are moving to cities.syria has had an unusually long drought.donald trump is running interference for h clinton.lets assume she is next president.she has strong ties with the pentagon so expect bullets and brains.what happened to gaddafi will happen to assad.

Posted by: mcdonalds | Apr 28 2016 12:32 utc | 112

Any vote for any Democratic presidential nominee is a vote for continuation of imperialism and slaughter of innocents as is any vote for any Repub. The Dem supporters are worse in that they disguise their support for murder with more artful rationales and a higher degree of hypocrisy.

The first thing these phony quadrennial spectacles show to the public is who exactly are the acceptable candidates for the powers that be.

One of the most comic and easy to understand realities of how the system functions is that those who are foisted onto the public as "presidential material" within the limited confines of the "two party system" have already to varying degrees been pre-approved. Does anyone really think, for example, that Sanders would be getting so much press (cover of Time magazine e.g.) if he was a real threat to the status quo? Of course not, you have to have been asleep over the last few decades not to understand this most simple of truths. And yet as it was with the ObamaBots this basic concept seems to elude the Sanders cheerleaders.

Presidential politics is the place movements go to die and for this next Quadrennial Spectacle Bernie Sanders is playing his part well in the show as the sheepdog who is charged with moving the herd safely back into the morass of the Dem Party machinery. The hypocritical windbag Bernie Sanders will certainly receive some crumbs from the masters he serves after he endorses Hillary and is put out to pasture.

As far as Sanders low-information groupies they have staked the exact same ground as ObamaBots did in 2007-8. I was in many discussions/disputes with these ObamaBots in 2007-8 and they mule-ishly ran away from all information that would put any doubts in their minds about their new found messiah. I had dozens of conversations with folks all over the town where I live and many more on the internet. I would ask them simple things like who Obama's advisers were, how he voted on certain things, what was his record in the Illinois Senate, who funded his campaign and blank stares were followed by pure sloganeering. Bernie's fan base is little different. It's the same ready made slogans just a different year and a new messiah. It's the same avoidance of the actual record of Sanders and the realities of the system that Sanders and the rest exemplify.

I am convinced that it is the Democrats and these people who are the major obstacle for any strong Left emerging and challenging the status quo. And yet they claim that all critiques on Obama/Sanders/Warren are the work of "right-wing trolls" (the most infantile of accusations) while in reality it is they who are protecting and furthering the agenda of the right-wing government that dresses itself up as Dem or Repub depending on the year and circumstances.

As for Sanders’ “political revolution,” it boils down to nothing more than expanding voter turnout behind the Democratic presidential candidate, whomever that is.

Sanders and his pseudo-anger agenda railed towards the likes of Wall Street is hardly a "revolution." What socialism is to Sanders is really fodder for undecided voting millennials and that really seems to be his only grasp of continuing to delude himself of winning this carnival sideshow of an election. Bernie does not want to bring down the banks much less give a shred of reform to so many failed social programs as much as he would like to yell at them much in the proverbial way an elderly person yells at a child to get off his lawn.

His one-trick pony tactics are wearing thin.

Posted by: Allen | Apr 28 2016 12:50 utc | 113

yeah Mcdonalds, outside of the oil part I think we pretty much all know and believe what you stated already (no offense please) that said - yeah i bought a few shares of Genie Energy Stock just for shits and giggles..

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 12:51 utc | 114

Wait Penelope, is that you? let me get this right, you think tamerlan and dzokhar and the boston marathon bombings are total bullshit? goddamn . I did like the idiocracy refrence.

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 12:54 utc | 115

Declaring “America First” to be the guiding principle of his foreign policy, Trump proclaimed, “We will develop, build and purchase the best equipment known to mankind. Our military dominance must be unquestioned, and I mean unquestioned, by anybody and everybody.”
Posted by: okie farmer 110

This is a psy-op that has been served up by MSM in heaping quantities for decades. Obama is a weak effete pussy and therefore not a sufficiently fierce murderer.

In fact, this is the same narrative anytime you have a Democrat for President. The Democrat is always a military-hating sissy. A Republican, OTOH, is very macho with giant balls and iron fists.

It serves to distract the citizenry by providing the Democrat with cover while he stealthily wreaks worldwide havoc (especially MENA) and dismantles domestic social structures.

Hillary is assuredly more aggressive, craven and dangerous than is Trump. Hillary, very effective in Libya, has a proven track record of destruction. Ready to continue where Obama and Bush left off. Full Bore PNAC and Yinon Plans.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Apr 28 2016 13:15 utc | 116

Should Trump have said that we shouldn't have the best military and equipment?Jesus,you guys are funny.
My wife,a Bernie bot,said the speech sounded good to her.Me,screw speeches.Actions will speak louder than words to assure the ziomonsters of his good intentions.Hee hee.
And his take on having to listen to the bubbleheaded harpies screaming for 4 months was hillaryous.
Wow,over in Britain the zionists have the knives out.Livingstone,for uttering the truth,that Hitler did talk with Zionists to set up a state in Palestine,is being expelled from the labour party.And an MP,who said that they should move Israel to america.
This is excellent stuff,as it exposes who the real nazis are,those who shut up others free speech.

Posted by: dahoit | Apr 28 2016 14:12 utc | 117

And may I add,that BS aint done quite yet,the remaining states,except DC and possibly NJ,are all in play for him.California will be the key?

Posted by: dahoit | Apr 28 2016 14:14 utc | 118

I agree with you Dahoit at least until you got in to the zionist stuff.. not saying you're wrong I just don't like going there because I don't really get it.

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 14:30 utc | 119

Trump's started pandering heavily imho. Increasing military spending means that MIC continues, and the American uni-polarity mindset will continue, either unabated, or will resume in the future.

I can't vote for this guy!!

Posted by: aaaa | Apr 28 2016 14:38 utc | 120


BS just laid off hundreds of staffers. After NY he talked about a Convention battle, now (after PA,MY,DE,CT, RI) he is merely hoping to influence the Party Platform.

His chances are slim to none. And Slim is a banker who likes authoritarian older women.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 28 2016 14:40 utc | 121


See Allan's excellent comment @114.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 28 2016 14:43 utc | 122


BS lost because he would not attack Hillary or Obama as an independent progressive would have. Party loyalty is more important to him than principle.

Sanders supporters still refuse to see this. They are afflicted by Double-think. Sanders is a career politician that is close to the Democratic Party and its leadership. Our hopes and fears are used to manipulate us.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 28 2016 14:52 utc | 123

For those speculating a Sanders VP slot with HRC. Here is a question.

Is Sanders giving to Trump a November win?

At the Town Hall hosted by MSNBC and posted 04/26/16, Sanders declared he will not tell his supporters to vote for HRC.

MSNBC staff lists the ten revealing moments:

[.]Here are the top ten can’t-miss moments from the Bernie Sanders town hall:

1. When Sanders said it was up to Hillary Clinton – not him – to convince his supporters to vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination.

Posted by: likklemore | Apr 28 2016 14:57 utc | 124

@124 I believe Bernie Sanders lost because of voter registration laws and as a young individual who was willing to vote for Sanders, I was simply unable to as a registered republican. I guess it's Trump but I already know he'll jump however high his generals tell him to when he gets power.

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 15:15 utc | 125

@124 maybe because he didn't attack Hillary Clinton more, sure but not attacking Barack Obama is why he lost? no way brother, no fucking way - Democrats aren't exactly at odds with Obama the way they are with Clinton.

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 15:17 utc | 126

"vote" for whomever you like, MAYBE it'll be something other than therapy. At the risk of being redundant, I'll post this link again.

Seriously people, grab a clue. Nice to see all the usual trolls are back.

Posted by: ben | Apr 28 2016 15:23 utc | 127

In other news - an oldie but a goodie - remember that time last year when that Saudi Prince was caught w/ two tons of captagon pills and cocaine for isis fighters (well, presumedly the cocaine was for personal use)

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 15:26 utc | 128

@Ben voter fraud? that's a whole can of worms i never cared to look in to but perhaps i'll start ...

I don't get this though, the republican establishment hates trump from the top down but yet he has had no problem with the voting machines besides a long line here or there .. shouldn't they be giving anyone other than trump a boost via voter fraud or is it just on the democrat side? honest question.

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 15:30 utc | 129

"Reports of the arrival of 150 US servicemen in Syria causes concern and is considered by Damascus as an invasion and violation of the country’s sovereignty, Syria’s SANA news agency reported Thursday, citing the Syrian Foreign Ministry."

Read more:

Posted by: ALberto | Apr 28 2016 16:17 utc | 130

No easy answer to explain vote tampering. We know that voting machines can be manipulated. One theory suggests that real votes must be within a margin of a few percentage points before a fraud can be committed, but obviously this is not always the case.

We've seen exit polls that vary greatly from official vote totals. It is odd as you suggest, that Trump can run the board like he's been doing.

Apparently there was a meeting of great minds to derail Trump.

Perhaps they will soon accept him or they'll frame him as a pedophile. But then Trump might spill the beans on some actual pedos.

Trump's favorite foreign policy guy - John Bolton - was a regular customer - wife swapper at Plato's Retreat.

There are some kinky guys in the mix.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Apr 28 2016 16:21 utc | 131

US Senator Dick Black Virginia visits Assad. Black, unlike most of his conservative brethren Senator Black is a veteran. Years of service, 1963–1970 (USMC) 1976–1994 (USA). Rank, Colonel.

Posted by: ALberto | Apr 28 2016 16:38 utc | 132

Au @127

See my comment @9.

To counter Hillary's defense of taking Wall St. - which includes: Obama did the same but signed Dodd Frank! - Bernie needed to (and as an independent, would have) noted:

>> what a bad piece of legislation Dodd Frank was;

>> how supportive of Wall Street the Obama Administration has been in general;

>> how Wall Street is back to its old tricks - and what that might mean for main street/consumers/citizens.

And, because black voters are voting for Hillary mostly because she is close to Obama, he could point out how/how much the 2008 financial crisis affected the black community and how poorly Obama has treated other black concerns (he never made a trip out to Ferguson, for example).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 28 2016 16:39 utc | 133

BIG MOVES are taking place in the middle east and all that the hired trolls can do is clog up MoA with 2016 Presidential Selection speculation.

If Trump is for real he will be assassinated ala Bobby Kennedy, Huey 'Kingfish' Long, McKinley, President Kennedy, etc., etc.

Just my opinion.

Posted by: ALberto | Apr 28 2016 16:44 utc | 134

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Senator Dick Black is a Virginia State Senator. He makes to much sense so he couldn't be a US Senator.

Posted by: ALberto | Apr 28 2016 16:47 utc | 135

what are the big moves Alberto? please, by all means the floor is yours

don't call people trolls and then step in to the same bullshit you are trying to counter by posting your speculation about Trump... what a contradiction.

@JackRabbit - thnks i'll check out your post.

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 16:48 utc | 136

that said: i like huey kingfish reference but he was more like Bernie than anyone else.

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 16:50 utc | 137

Alberto i agree that virginia's senator dick black is legit - the only outlet that will give him air time is RT and i'm not saying that disparagingly , I think most MoA frequenters would love what Dick Black says and I wish more western msm outlets would hear him out.

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 16:52 utc | 138

Au @137

"what are the big moves Alberto? please, by all means the floor is yours"

Syrian state television broadcasts calls for parts of rebel-held eastern Aleppo to be ‘exterminated’

sourced -

The state news outlet SANA on Thursday said officials at the country's foreign ministry rejected the presence of the soldiers at the Rmelan area calling it "illegitimate".

"This intervention is rejected and illegitimate, and it happened without the Syrian government’s approval," the source said, according to SANA."

The government said the move by the US was a "blatant act of aggression that constitutes a dangerous intervention and a gross violation of the Syrian sovereignty", further calling for international action to prevent it.

source -

Posted by: ALberto | Apr 28 2016 17:14 utc | 139

sounds like an average day in the hood for Aleppo - thanks for the info. SANA aught to be countering the western reports of the hospital bombing in Aleppo that is being used currently to drum anger towards Assad. perhaps they are.

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 17:19 utc | 140

Alberto, there is also this - Ash Carter, in today's Sen. Defense briefing stated that the Pentagon is talking with NATO about entering Syria too -

Posted by: h | Apr 28 2016 17:24 utc | 141

H - now that is pretty huge! I just can never tell how trustworthy sputniknews is but hell I don't doubt it.

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 17:28 utc | 142

all open threads since at least january have been about the us election.. for those of us who don't live in the usa it gets tiring! James at 97.

My empathy, James -- for millions of us who do live in the usa it gets tiring, too! Trump vs. Clinton make me want to puke. The whole thing makes me want to puke. PhilK at 101.

It is dismaying that many US citizens think that who becomes Prez next will make any real difference. And join gleefully and probably sincerely into the manufactured theatrics.

Hopey-changiness is still in the air! A young black man (warning about Obama being worse than Bush before he was elected got me banned and in trouble with some RL ppl) was the top of the cream. Nobel prize!

Now we have a woman. Big deal, corrupt to the core, a hawk, the Killary.

A throwback to new-deal Dems, Sanders, who is a kind of Obama-bis, but now on money-redistributive matters, rather than scooting on glam, like! that is innovative and spectacular. Not.

And the noisy, troublesome upstart, Trump, who in fact represents the one side of the split in the Repub. Party.

All of three appeal to certain ‘America first’ strands of the electorate. And all is carefully calculated, the Society of the Spectacle. (Guy Debord.)

As for foreign policy, there has always been a fake smarmy shift between Dems and Reps. Some wars are super-dooper (Bush, Iraq), others lament that was horrible, illegit, note, AFTER, millions of ppl shattered killed or otherwise thrown into the pits, while doing nothing to prevent it before it started. Oh and so other WARS might be better (Lybia, Hillary; Afghanistan, well, fine, it is a problem; Ukraine that valiant democracy, etc. etc. ) (Note Gulf war I is completely forgotten.)

That will continue, under any of them.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 28 2016 17:34 utc | 143

h @142

Yes. Events are beginning to roll as the 2016 'More War' season approaches. Just like Nam the Middle East has become the MIC milk cow that keeps on giving.

Just my opinion.

Posted by: ALberto | Apr 28 2016 17:35 utc | 144

My last comment. Please change 'milk cow' to Ca$h Cow. THX

Posted by: ALberto | Apr 28 2016 17:39 utc | 145

I enjoyed reading your comment Noirette.

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 17:41 utc | 146

rg the lg @ 38,
"The best scenario is simple collapse of the world economy ... or ecocide. The one real issue is when will the cancerous growth (people) finally kill the planet. All else is simple hard wringing and pontificating."

You always seem to be spitting guilt at us all-- this time just for existing. Just one more way to disarm the good by conflating it with the evil. Does it never occur to you to strongly condemn the actual people or class who are guilty of actually killing other human beings?

And all this fanciful over-dramatic "killing the planet" talk only promotes lethargy. The greatest environmental insult, as Noirette so correctly points out, is war. DO something. Try campaigning against an actual, finite evil being committed today-- like perhaps depleted uranium weapons. Inform yourself on whatever issue you choose and make others aware of it. You don't gain moral stature by attacking your whole species. There's nothing grandiose about attempting to blur the whole concept of morality.

and @ 88 you assure us the constitution was no good, and none of the Founders were any good. And you inform us there were never any democratic values in America. Destroy, destroy, destroy seems to be what you are all about. But you NEVER point your guns at the bad guys.

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 28 2016 17:44 utc | 147

I found this an interesting, different story on vote fraud: In the final analysis, a computer vote count is a secret count.

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 28 2016 17:56 utc | 148

Au @143 and Alberto - yep, this news should send chills up folks spine. NATO/U.S./GCC taking Raqqa, which of course is where the GCC+Israeli radicals are headquartered, tells me they must get their first to be certain to gain possession and/or destroy intel/evidence that would show the links b/w all of these evil bastards. Oh, and then of course to also occupy the territory to use as a bargaining chip to remove Assad. I can only hope the 10k fresh Syrian Army troops mop up the Takfiri's in Aleppo post haste and high tale their butts to Raqqa. Scary days lay ahead...

Penelope, I worked long ago in the environmental policy arena and I find your work on the latest climate/global/environmental fearmongering meme of the day refreshingly articulate and intelligent. I share in your skepticism. It's quite healthy, IMHO.

Posted by: h | Apr 28 2016 18:38 utc | 149

from the wsws link 110:
As an admiring New York Times profile explained last week, Clinton is the most hawkish of the remaining Democratic and Republican candidates and has the closest ties to the military-intelligence apparatus, particularly the Pentagon brass. “For all their bluster about bombing the Islamic state into oblivion,” the Times wrote, neither Trump nor Senator Ted Cruz “have demonstrated anywhere near the appetite for military engagement abroad that Clinton has.”

Posted by: okie farmer | Apr 28 2016 18:53 utc | 150

I just listened to an NPR radio broadcast here in the US with an interview with someone from 'Physicians for Human Rights' (PHR). The story was about a horrific bombing attack on a hospital in Aleppo that was carried out by the Syrian 'regime'. It was a breathless voice that was choking with emotion. The voice claimed that the last pediatrician in that city was killed.

Who are PHR? Why do they have a special access to NPR?

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 28 2016 19:47 utc | 151

Via CCTV April 29.
China has passed laws regulating the activities of the 1000+ foreign NGOs operating in China. The laws are "designed to protect the rights and interests of NGOs and to provide clear operating guidelines..."
China has called out the US on its South China Sea bs describing the lurking of US warships there as a provocation and a threat to China's sovereignty and National Security.
Russia has launched a missile from its (orbiting) Space Station.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 28 2016 19:50 utc | 152

How brainless one have to be not see the difference between Obama's presidency and the global catastrophe that Romney's would have been?

Posted by: ProPeace | Apr 28 2016 20:02 utc | 153

ToivoS @152

If these Doctors were operating in Aleppo would it not be safe to assume that they operate under US/NATO umbrella.

As for NPR last week they stated that criticizing the officials of Ukraine who are jewish is antisemitism. Just sayin.

Posted by: ALberto | Apr 28 2016 20:03 utc | 154

People who discourage voting thus making probable fraud much easier for TPTB are simply traitors.

Posted by: ProPeace | Apr 28 2016 20:08 utc | 155

# 152. Russia and Syria have denied that either of them bombed the (MSF) hospital but stopped short of reminding everyone that bombing MSF is a Yankee habit.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 28 2016 20:08 utc | 156

@152 - yeah the hospital bombing in Aleppo is gaining a lot of traction here in the West - idk what to say, it's awful and obviously no one was trying to target a hospital wether in afghanistan or syria, I just have to believe accidents happen and unfortunately this one is ugly. That is interesting Hoarsewhisperer that they are denying it - hopefully they can prove their point in a way that cuts through the emotion surrounding the headlines.

Posted by: Au | Apr 28 2016 20:16 utc | 157

And in Iraq ...

On 25th April Dr Al-Azzawi added: “More war crimes have been committed by American Coalition, yesterday April 24, 2016. The coalition airplanes bombed Rashidiya water treatment plant left side of Mosul city and Yermouk electricity generation station in the right side of Mosul. Through targeting these populations’ life sustaining necessities, the coalition is committing genocidal action towards Mosul residents in the pretext of fighting ISIS.”

source -

Posted by: ALberto | Apr 28 2016 20:17 utc | 158
US-led coalition behind Aleppo hospital attack: Russia
Russia and Syria have dismissed accusations that their warplanes had targeted a hospital in the northwestern city of Aleppo, with Moscow suggesting that the US-led coalition was instead responsible for the incident.

In a statement released on Thursday, the Russian Defense Ministry said that Moscow had conducted no airstrikes in Aleppo in recent days.

"According to our information, on the evening of April 27, for the first time after a long break, there was a plane over Aleppo that belonged to one” of the members of the US-led coalition purporting to fight Takfiri Daesh terrorists, the ministry statement read.
Syria rejects claims on hospital shelling

Meanwhile, Syria's official news agency SANA quoted an unnamed Syrian military source on Thursday as saying that reports about the Syrian Air Force targeting the medical facility "is untrue and aimed at covering the terrorists' crimes against civilians."

The chief Syrian opposition negotiator Mohammed Alloush had blamed the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for the deadly aerial assaults, saying the latest sure in violence shows "the environment is not conducive to any political action."

Posted by: okie farmer | Apr 28 2016 21:31 utc | 159

@Penelope Thanks for reminding us about those blatant false flag operations.

@ftb They immediately shot the larynx of the surviving Tsarnayev.

@mcdonald President Assad has NOT been blocking ANYTHING, the AngloZio anti-human cabal of pedophiles and satanists from the City of London could have built their pipeline from Qatar to Israel, instead of Turkey.

Posted by: ProPeace | Apr 28 2016 21:41 utc | 160

Au @ 116,
Thas right; Boston Marathon, like Sandy Hook & San Bernardino, was a hoax (a non-incident).

Look at the Brassard family after the bombing, totally uninjured. Then watch the media help them pretend injuries. .

Or look at photos of the entire bombing scene taken from the office above. See any injuries?

Yeh, the idocracy comment was great. By the book reviewer.
Au @ 126,
"willing to vote for Sanders, I was simply unable to as a registered republican."

I read somewhere -- Richard Charnin I think-- that there were some states where people were FALSELY told they couldn't vote in the Dem primary unless registered Dem. I don't know the particulars, which states, etc.

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 28 2016 21:44 utc | 161

Allen @ 114,
"I am convinced that it is the Democrats and these people who are the major obstacle for any strong Left emerging and challenging the status quo."
Yes, I think that's true. When a well-financed imitation exists it precludes the creation of the real movement. Donations, votes and manpower go to the pre-existing Dem Party rather than a truly progressive & peaceful alternative.

TPTB did something similar to those against injecting aerosols into the atmosphere to block a portion of solar irradiation. They created the foolish "chemtrails" movement, which entirely displaces any questioning or opposition to the actually existing (probably global) injection of aerosols. They just deny it & put out the silly propaganda that jets now emit contrails (which happen to give the sky a permanent sun-shading haze). But people pay no attention since they've been vaccinated against it by the chemtrail creation.

Now that Congress is actually talking about injecting aerosols, maybe people won't think it too big a step to entertain the possibility that it's already being done, and to remember what a normal sky looks like.

Here's a patent for one variant: Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming

Here's an MIT prof talking (boring) about it & admitting some has already been begun in the atmosphere:

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 28 2016 22:12 utc | 162

Syrian media had this find but not much reported in western MSM – except one USA Christian outlet and in Paris, France that sourced it quoting from Jerusalem Post of all places.

Israeli-made weapons, land mines, RPG launchers intercepted on way to ISIS.

Here it is sourced as confirmation - being reported in JPost. JPost loads as in a dial-up.

from the ParisGuardian

"Syria intercepts munitions made in Israel being transported to ISIS"

[.]"The Syrian news agency SANA said the Syrian army ambushed a car loaded with Israeli-made mines, mortar rounds, RPGs and grenades coming from the eastern countryside of Daraa and heading for ISIS-controlled areas in the eastern desert areas of Badiya.

The Jerusalem Post identified the weapons as of Israeli-origin, publishing a photo of mines with Hebrew writing on them."[.]

the USA Christian Outlet outlines the ties that binds:

“Israel and ISIS"


Google Daraa.

Posted by: likklemore | Apr 28 2016 22:23 utc | 163

@164 syria is surrounded by enemies on both ends of the country - turkey in the north and israel in the south... interesting couple of comrades - turkey and israel..

Posted by: james | Apr 28 2016 22:53 utc | 164

Turkey’s (not so) creeping Islamization

Turkey is a wonderland, according to the official narrative. It is not so much of a wonderland, according to facts and figures.

Turkey’s per capita income is less than half of Greece’s – the country which, over the past few years, has gone through one of the worst financial crises in modern history.

Turkey is where there were four murders occurred on average every day in 2015. In addition to a poorly educated population of nearly 80 million, Turkey is home to nearly 3 million Syrian refugees.

The Turkish-Kurdish dispute has taken the lives of over 400 security officials and nearly 6,000 militants since last July. In addition, nearly 200 people, including over a dozen tourists, have been killed in suicide bomb attacks since October 2015. This week, once again, the United States warned its citizens in Turkey about “credible” terrorist threats to tourist areas in the country. Foreign carriers are either mulling pulling out or are pulling out.

Turkey is fertile ground for child rapists and abusers. In 2009, a total of 12,635 cases on charges of child sex abuse were opened, according to the Justice Ministry’s judicial records and statistics office. That number rose by 43 percent to 18,104 in 2014. The increase between 2004 and 2014 was nearly 350 percent.

In Turkey, children die much more easily than their peers who live in more decent places. A Turkish children’s rights organization found that at least 875 children from across Turkey were killed in preventable incidents over the past year. Had they been lucky enough to grow a little bit older, they would have been happy brides and grooms.

The Family and Social Planning Ministry has revealed that the number of girls who were wed before the age of 18 since 2010 is at least 232,313...
Against such backdrop, Parliamentary Speaker İsmail Kahraman suggests that (for a better Turkey), the new constitution should not feature secularism but feature a (Sunni Muslim) “devout” ethos. A Qur’an-based constitution would no doubt make the wonderland a far better – and more amusing – wonderland.

Turkey’s president, prime minister and other prominent ruling party officials quickly rebuffed the idea. The new constitution should feature secularism, they say. But what they intend by secularism will be worth revisiting in next week’s column.


Posted by: virgile | Apr 28 2016 22:56 utc | 165

okfarmer, 160 --

Just drove home, the local AM news radio station is still reporting that the attackers are unknown. So I'm guessing it wasn't Assad or the Russians. Perhaps one of our "moderate jihadis" asked for some air support.

Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 28 2016 23:00 utc | 166

@152 ToivoS.. if npr are peddling that story now, it is very interesting timing, given the focus on alleppo at present... phr - wikipedia ... that story is from 2015 which is why the npr story if coming out now, sure looks like preparatory propaganda for the upcoming confrontation by syrian forces to those who haven't signed onto the ceasefire treaty... at any rate, phr is an ngo based fully in the good ole' usa and probably reliant on donor money from people like soros, or other wealthy people typically given over to exploiting others financially...

Posted by: james | Apr 28 2016 23:08 utc | 167

today's Senate Armed Services Committee, DoS, Ash Carter and Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Joseph Dunford had some not so soft ball questions on operations in Syria:
Some tidbits from RT

No Turks or Saudis, either

Committee chairman John McCain (R-Arizona) said it was “intellectually dishonest” to say an intervention force would need to be mostly American, and argued for a multinational army in which the US troops would only be a small component.[.]

Sen. Lindsey Graham noted, "Hope is not a strategy."

[.]But is it legal?

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Virginia) brought up the legal issue of US presence in Syria, pointing out that, while Washington had been invited to Iraq by the government in Baghdad, no such invitation had been extended by Damascus.

Pentagon lawyers told him “the legal basis for what we’re doing exists in both domestic and international law,” Carter said, adding that the US was fighting terrorists and trying to “restore order and decency.”

Kaine countered that good intentions were not an excuse for violating sovereignty, and objected to using the 2001 congressional authorization to fight Al-Qaeda being used 15 years later as an “all-purpose/whenever/wherever” justification to intervene.[.]

= = = =

and the funding will continue? You bet.

Posted by: likklemore | Apr 28 2016 23:12 utc | 168

re my 168 comment, indeed phr are claiming to know the basis for another very recent attack being from the '''regime'''... just how they know this they don't say, which makes them look like another paid for propaganda outlet, err ngo... here is the updated april 28th 2016 diatribe with no support - just blame towards the syrian gov't... to me it suggests this ngo is a paid for propaganda outlet for the most part.. hard to see much else...

Posted by: james | Apr 28 2016 23:12 utc | 169

AU@ 130: It's called election fraud, not voter fraud:)

Posted by: ben | Apr 29 2016 0:42 utc | 170

Virgile - good article.

James - interesting some of the footage captured on the ground reports and accounts from folks on the ground looks pretty recent and raw but who knows it could be edited in various ways from some time ago.

Posted by: Au | Apr 29 2016 0:45 utc | 171

Ben, that's an important distinction to make indeed.

Posted by: Au | Apr 29 2016 0:56 utc | 172

Chuck Hagel was a pathetic and disappointing joke at his post, but he makes a decent speech here

Posted by: aaaa | Apr 29 2016 2:01 utc | 173

@172 au... further to my 168 post i mentioned @170 that this is more recent - from today or yesterday...state dept is using it to regurgitate the 'regime barrel bombing and gassing their people'.. this always gets dragged out regardless of any proof... again - if you tell a lie often enough, some will be convinced of it's legitimacy... apparently this is what the usa state dept folks think...1':34" long video

the general link i use to follow these daily dispatches is here..

Posted by: james | Apr 29 2016 2:04 utc | 174

@ aaaa

Chuck Hagel's new world order sounds like more of the same control and suppression of the public with the same folks in charge.

I don't consider that a decent speech, even by him.

To me a new world order means no more private finance with their jackboot on the neck of all. I consider that a much better solution than Hagel's version.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 29 2016 2:21 utc | 175

Chuck Hagel was a pathetic and disappointing joke at his post, but he makes a decent speech here...
Posted by: aaaa | Apr 28, 2016 10:01:48 PM | 174

That's a pathetic and disappointing remark to make about the only US Def Sec in US History whose principles obliged him to avoid telling porkies - which is why he was asked to step down (due largely to the influence of AmeriKKKa's Jewish Lobby which vigorously opposed his nomination, and his appointment).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 29 2016 2:41 utc | 176

@176 to be honest only skimmed through it, so maybe it was not as good as I implied
@177 spare me!!

"Secretary of State John Kerry, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are tasked with making the case for the unpopular mission following a chemical weapons attack against citizens by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. They are scheduled to meet with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Tuesday afternoon and the House counterpart Wednesday."

It was Aug. 30, 2013, and the U.S. military was poised for war. Obama had publicly warned Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad that his regime would face consequences if it crossed a “red line” by employing chemical weapons against its own people. Assad did it anyway, and Hagel had spent the day approving final plans for a barrage of Tomahawk cruise missile strikes against Damascus. U.S. naval destroyers were in the Mediterranean, awaiting orders to fire.

Instead, Obama told a stunned Hagel to stand down. Assad’s Aug. 21 chemical attack in a Damascus suburb had killed hundreds of civilians, but the president said the United States wasn’t going to take any military action against the Syrian government. The president had decided to ignore his own red line — a decision, Hagel believes, that dealt a severe blow to the credibility of both Obama and the United States.

Posted by: aaaa | Apr 29 2016 3:13 utc | 177 points out inconsistancies in the video of the Aleppo bombing.

Posted by: ruralito | Apr 29 2016 3:16 utc | 178

jp was confident it'd get the oz sub contract , after all its uncle sham's designated catpaw in asia right nw.
unfortunately uncle has other plan. the jp are already in the bag, nothing to be gained by throwing more bones to them, but if the french get the contract, they'd be obliged to return a joining the pivot !
poor jps get screwed by their beloved uncle once again.

*French President Francois Hollande declared the DCNS contract was a “decisive step forward” in a strategic partnership with Australia. Defence Minister Jean Yves Le Drian enthused: “We’re married to Australia for the next 50 years.”

The relationship will come with a price tag, in the form of US and Australian expectations that France will give more vocal and even practical support to their stance against China. The French navy is already conducting a growing number of joint exercises with American, Australian and South East Asian militaries in the Asia-Pacific*

soon ass carter will tell us how awful those chicoms ,
not only are they driving the asians away , even the french are pissed off. !

Posted by: denk | Apr 29 2016 3:25 utc | 179

James thanks for the daily link.

Posted by: Au | Apr 29 2016 3:56 utc | 180

Biden in in Iraq to "bolster a shaky regime" per Al-Jazeera; while the NYT says its all about ISIS in a nice bit of misdirection. The Guardian says de Mistura is seriously alarmed about Syria generally exploding Link

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Apr 29 2016 3:58 utc | 181

@178 aaa - isn't that incredibly breathtaking propaganda . . they always leave out the fact that the reason he ignored the red line was because a greater victory could be achieved in thanks to Lavrov and Kerry, who worked out a wonderful diplomatic deal to handle the weapons. Besides, what would a few tomahawk missiles have accomplished anyways? If only the Prez hadn't continued down the path of rat lines and so forth.

Posted by: Au | Apr 29 2016 4:02 utc | 182

James @ 178,

Don't know how accurate this is, but seems plausible. I read that NGOs like Doctors w/o Borders were often kept short on
funds, receiving them only as needed in order to keep them responsive to US govt diktat. Also that they don't write
their own press releases. These are supplied by Washington.

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 29 2016 4:06 utc | 183

I thought I'd post this here since it's open thread. I'm still reading it. An article by Robert F. Kennedy. Jr. in Politico.

Why the Arabs Don’t Want Us in Syria

So far it's revealed an astonishing amount of collateral to tell the story of the CIA's misadventures in the Middle East, undertaken continuously since the late forties without the knowledge of either the US people or the political process. It seems quite scholarly to me as a layperson. More importantly, it's a name and platform that one can share with one's NYT-reading friends and neighbors without a loss of credibility, I hope.

Curious what you all think of it. Meanwhile, back to reading it.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 29 2016 4:07 utc | 184

Canadian reporter name of Nazemroaya was in Libya during the R2P bombing in 2011. His reporting about what was targeted
would remove anyone's doubts about the intentional targeting of civilian infrastructure. Chossudovsky wrote an article
summing NATO targets in a few recent bombing campaigns. It's worth reading-- especially the cold-bloodedness of the
last few paras.

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 29 2016 4:16 utc | 185

Grieved - "more importantly it's a name and platform once can share with ones NYT-reading friends and neighbors without a loss of credibility, i hope" Well said friend, well said. I'll take some time to read it, I just liked that comment of yours

Posted by: Au | Apr 29 2016 4:18 utc | 186

@185 grieved... excellent article everyone ought to read.. thanks!

Posted by: james | Apr 29 2016 5:25 utc | 187

Grieved @ 185: Great article, thanks!

From the article:

"America’s unsavory record of violent interventions in Syria—little-known to the American people yet well-known to Syrians"

Case in point:

Posted by: ben | Apr 29 2016 5:32 utc | 188

Here is a link to a scary move by the US government to gain "legal" access to any computer

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 29 2016 6:25 utc | 189

Yeah, @Grieved 185

Good read. Why can't he be Prez? Really, wtf, someone that actually has content to talk about.

It's the best of all possible worlds!

Posted by: Tow Guy | Apr 29 2016 7:48 utc | 190

Very smooth description of the Dem Party con game by Allen at #114, like:

I would ask them simple things like who Obama's advisers were, how he voted on certain things, what was his record in the Illinois Senate, who funded his campaign and blank stares were followed by pure sloganeering.

As I'm seeing this, not having a "record" nor traditional "funding", makes Trump thousand times more attractive than the alternative.
Sure, he'll be just another CEO of the empire that only has to answer to a few exclusive shareholders. And if one expects to die of natural causes, this line is imperative: "I'll make the MIC stronger and I'll double its daily dose of Viagra". And so he said it.

Great recipe to go bankrupt, not building, not developing, no, blowing stuff to ashes. And that won't make America Great, much less Again.

China, I really hope you have a financial kill-switch for when the bastards itch to press red buttons... Nuking Japan, carpet bombing the whole Vietnam, going full-retard over Iraq, the patient's clinic history is clearly extremely dangerous.

Posted by: citizen X | Apr 29 2016 9:18 utc | 191

@185 Grieved

Thanks for publishing the link ... again? Someone had published it previously, and I admit I had just scanned it at that time. Pretty-much well-known facts ... well not generally well-known ... but from a 'household name' with strong dynastic connections. I was struck by the rather pedestrian partisan point of view though. Loud on the bad Republicrats, not so much on the bad Demoblicans.

This time I did read the whole thing, though, and the part that actually stuck out the most was

At left, Joseph P. Kennedy, the author’s uncle, in 1955. Two years later, Amb. Kennedy served on a secret committee that sharply criticized the CIA-backed oversees operations that inflamed anti-American sentiment in the Middle East. That same year, freshman Senator John F. Kennedy, pictured right with brother Robert during a Senate committee hearing, delivered a speech from the Senate floor titled “Imperialism - The Enemy of Freedom,” similarly excoriating the Eisenhower administration for hindering political self-determination in the region.

The CIA had it in for the Kennedy klan long before the Bay of Pigs. They say the Bobby, this Robert's dad, was running for Prez in order to finally lay bare the connections and to destroy the CIA, and that's why they got him. Amazing that lightning struck twice and the whole nation kept its head down.

But this Robert does have cred with people who don't read MoA, and Politico probably has those people's attention. There's a whole generation of Americans who've never thought much about the assassinations. Maybe they will, now, following up on this article.

Anyone finds a link to The Bruce-Lovett Report, please post it. I found five pages with major redactions. I'll post a link when I've OCR'd it.

Posted by: jfl | Apr 29 2016 11:12 utc | 192

The five pages of The Bruce-Lovett Report

Posted by: jfl | Apr 29 2016 11:16 utc | 193

Things have become tragic on the South African Wild Coast with the assassination of the chair of the Amadiba Crisis Committee, Bazooka Radebe.

Interview on the link:

This film gives a good summation:

Posted by: nobody | Apr 29 2016 11:34 utc | 194

the bombing of aleppo is the signal that damascus is about to be destroyed in a firestorm but first the pendulum that started swinging is back from ecuador and on its way to the middle east.the number 11.first week in may.

Posted by: mcdonalds | Apr 29 2016 11:37 utc | 195

Posted by: jfl @193

Someone in the comment section of the article pointed out that Joseph P Kennedy was the authors "grandfather" not uncle.....just to keep things factual

Posted by: notlurking | Apr 29 2016 12:28 utc | 196

Russia has launched a missile from its (orbiting) Space Station.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 28, 2016 3:50:57 PM | 153

This is wrong. The story refers to the first launch of a rocket from Vostochny, Russia's new civilian spaceport. The error was mine, not CCTV's.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 29 2016 15:55 utc | 197

@197 nl

Yeah, you're right. I missed the misidentification. I'm old enough to know who Joe Kennedy was, and of course the author knows as well ...

In 1957, my grandfather, Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy, sat on a secret committee charged with investigating the CIA’s clandestine mischief in the Mideast. The so called “Bruce-Lovett Report,” to which he was a signatory, described CIA coup plots in Jordan, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Egypt, all common knowledge on the Arab street, but virtually unknown to the American people who believed, at face value, their government’s denials.

The report's been cited again - can't get enough of this regal, partisan stuff - in the next open thread ... I agree with some of the questions raised by kn@33 there ...

Kennedy still thinks Sirhan Sirhan shot his dad?

... for instance. I don't agree with kn's snarky attitude. Although I was a great fan of JFK and the Kennedy mystique at the time, and a great dupe of the CIA as well ... I was born in 1947, the same year as the CIA, and am of Irish descent and looked on Kennedy as 'big brother' or something like at the time ... I have since become disabused of my views on dynastic, partisan politics. And this article milks both those last two points of view for all they're worth.

The points made about the lying, criminal CIA are all well-taken, though. Especially if one were - as I was in my teens and for too long afterwards - previously 'unaware' of them. The chief cause of my 'unawareness' was my not giving a damn, and so not paying attention. Multiplied by 300 million that's why we are where we are now.

Posted by: jfl | Apr 29 2016 23:18 utc | 198

Quote from five pages of the 1956 Bruce Lovett Report, OCR'd

Posted by: jfl | Apr 30 2016 2:02 utc | 199

@ jfl

I am only one year younger than you and I was paying attention most of the time, but your point is valid.

The bigger problem is that the folks who own private finance, do so world wide and the US is just their current major political front. We need to organize worldwide to confront the beast from within. Thankfully I believe that China, et. al. are doing so from the perimeter and will be more effective.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 30 2016 2:21 utc | 200

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