in re 199
“And what good is a party that creates sell-out betrayers like Obama and then glorifies them?”
Well, when you compare them to a party promising riots and theocracy….
“Dipshit morons that benefit from the corrupt system don’t care about the rest of us.”
Is it being alleged that I am benefitting from the duopoly? Comes as surprise to me, in my rented rooms and 15 yr. old car. ‘Cuz why would I give a shit about who’s suffering – it’s only myself, my wife our families, my lettershop coworkers and the various drivers, contractors, etc. thtough the place, my friends, and pretty much everyone I freakin’ know.
Maybe it’s different in the rarified precincts of finance fops and media mavens up in Gotham. I wouldn’t know….
I assuredly don’t give jack shit about financiers and new media hucksters, but I do care deeply about my fellow proles. Here’s someone speaking my language. Stephanie Land says Donald Trump Is a Fraud, and workers should not believe his lies.
As Land writes, “I get it. As members of the middle- to lower-class, as people living in poverty, we are angry.” The company imposed take-backs back in 2008, I only recently began to again make the hourly rate I was originally hired at, so no, I’m not feeling the love from Wall Street myself.
According to CNN, “Stein had many positive words for the Sanders campaign….” Interestingly, the good Dr. Stein does not bray with the pack yowling that Sanders is a “sheepdog.” She describes views Sanders’ run like those of Jackson, Dean, and Kucinich, “invariably sabotaged” by the Democratic machine “that has not allowed progressives to take charge.”
And you know why not? – not enough mad enough. Sanders could change that, we’ll see. She adds that Sanders “elevated the debate enormously.” That parses somewhat differently than an candidate who, it is alleged, will not “try to win” until too late, does it not?
Of course, she doesn’t really account for her own’s party’s failure to improve on the nearly 3 pct. vote that they got when Nader “cost” Al Gore the election. Some might all the nice stuff about Sanders is bullshit, as long as she wants to try to pick off the strays.
Odd, neither Nader in 2000 nor Perot 1992 instantaneously destroyed the duopoly. But not to worry Barflies, our deep thinkers assure us this will be inevitable result, if only Sanders would intone the password, aka, Magickal Incantation of the Cognoscenti: “Benghazi server!” Pay no attention to the far-right authors behind the curtain!
Failing this, Plan B, The Donald blows shit up! Great TV…. “Democracy — You’re Fired!” When do the auditions for “The Apprentice: Cabinet Edition” begin?
The article reports that “Stein said her invitations to collaborate have received ‘no response whatsoever’ from Sanders….” dating back to 2012. It is nice to see that the Sanders people don’t want anything to do with them. Their fantasy of Sanders giving them what they are unable to obtain themselves – a mass base – remains unfulfilled.
You are aware she is speaking of a change to be made in the future? And so, splitting the vote and a Rethuglican victory is a legitimate worry now.
Fits nicely with my ongoing tag line –
And America must have proportional representation!

Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 19 2016 22:53 utc | 203

Crooked Hillary clobbers Sanders in NY
Sanders needed to attack Hillary on character issues and raise the question of her electability if he hoped to win NY. He didn’t do that. Kool-Aid drinkers will say that he is too ‘nice’. Cynics would cite his close relationship with the Democratic Party.
The Democratic Party bias against progressive candidates is just too great, including:

> Super-delegates;
> Super-Tuesday;
> campaign funding;
> DNC and media bias;
> inability/unwillingness of the selected loyal insider to attack the presumptive nominee and thereby be accused of being a spoiler.

That’s why BAR labeled progressive candidates that seek the Democratic Party nomination, sheepdogs. They have very little chance of winning, but they protect the Party’s left flank.
Sanders will soldier on but he will get less media coverage and he may have funding problems by the California Primary on June 7. His campaign is talking about a convention contest that is a pipe-dream.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 20 2016 4:28 utc | 205

@Jackrabbit #205
California Primary on June 7. His campaign is talking about a convention contest that is a pipe-dream…
With the result from NY in, the next Blue State will be California – The Golden State.
Everyone I talk to in my community it seems conservative, progressive, liberal and independents are sick and tired of both the Democratic and Republican party. This voter feels the same. Most admitted they will votes for Trump in November, even a millennial generation voter leaning toward Trump.
This voter changes his voter preference 2 weeks ago from Green Party to Democratic Party to vote for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Party Primary.
May switches again before November, vote either for Jill Stein’s Green Party or Republican’s Donald Trump.
Absolute convince, Bernie Sander will be GW Bush III, even as Bernie tried to convince everyone he’s a Socialist. First and foremost you cannot have bread, butter and guns. PERIOD! Most likely Hillary may pick Sander as her running-mate to beat Trump in Nov.
Watch this video. Paul Jay and Glen Ford have doubts on Bernie like myself ..
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=16143

Posted by: Jack Smith | Apr 20 2016 5:34 utc | 207

rufus magister says, for the umpteenth time:
The Donald blows shit up
which is really quite remarkable, considering the fact that The Donald is actually the only one on the platform who hasn’t blown shit up. at least not yet.
but i suspect that the very real violence implicit in the irony of your metaphor is largely lost on you, probably because, like most Americans, the people, places, and things that are literally being blown to smithereens every fucking day, are so faraway, so intangible, iow…of little concern to you.

Posted by: john | Apr 20 2016 9:17 utc | 209

On a second thought though, don´t both me with an answer. I´m way too intellectual for illiterate lowlifes and newbees here at MoA like you and “Jackrabbit” etc anyway.
B started it but i made it what it is, if it was up to me, you fucking freaks should have been banned long ago.

Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 20 2016 12:27 utc | 211

@202 I meant to say that we had warmer temperatures than presently for the past 10,000 years not the past 17,000 years– typo.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 20 2016 14:10 utc | 213

uncle chutzpah strikes again…..
[from the p3 spy plane over hainan, china 2001 to the *donald cook* in the black sea.2016…]
why dems like the clintons, obama etc often act/speak more pugnaciously than the repugs ?
*Uncle Chutzpah is getting back into the ring for eminently practical reasons,
although admittedly some of the compassionate conservative’s advisers are a bit nuts. Paradoxically, though, because some of them are nuts and obviously ready
to kill, and don’t have to prove their super-patriotic and looney credentials,
they may have less need to actually dispense death than a Bill Clinton, and they
might even be obliged to show a reasonableness and restraint that a weak and
opportunistic “liberal” might consider a political liability. * [1]
———————————–
forget about all that fon in scs bs, murkkan gunboat policy at china’s doorstep started
way back in 1949 when uncle sham *lost* [sic] china to the chicoms.
u might even trace it right back to the opium war, at a time when the brit cousons were
minding the store.
—————————–
(Hearings before the House Committee on Appropriations, Jan. 26, 1954.)
Representative Frederick R. Coudert.
*Did I correctly understand you to say that
the heart of the present policy toward China and Formosa is that there is to be
kept alive a constant threat of military action vis-a-vis Red China in the hope
that at some point there will be an internal break- down?
Walter S. Robertson, Assistant Secretary of State for Far Eastern Affairs.
*Yes,
sir. That is my conception.*
Coudert.
*In other words, a cold war waged under the leadership of the United
States, with constant threat of attack against China, led by Formosa and other Far Eastern groups, and militarily backed by the United States? [2]
Robertson.
*Yes…
Coudert.
*Fundamentally, does this mean that the United States is undertaking to
maintain for an indefinite period of years American dominance in the Far East?
Robertson.
*Yes. Exactly.
———————————
on us spy plane in hainan fracas, 2001 [3]
*The media have reported that China’s lost pilot was “an aggressive ‘cowboy’”
(Philadelphia Inquirer, April 6, 2001), and that “Chinese Pilot Reveled in Risk,
U.S. Aides Say” (NYT, April 6, 2001). Well, if U.S. officials say this this is
surely worth featuring, rather than the Chinese claim that the collision
resulted from an aggressive action by the pilot of the spy plane.*
rings a bell, the donald cook whining on the russian planes *aggressive manuvre*??
[1]
https://zcomm.org/zcommentary/uncle-chutzpah-gets-back-into-the-ring-by-edward-herman/
[2]
the scs provocation is the culmination of 7 decades of gunboat policy,
currently jp is the designated catpaw with india waiting in the wing,
ph is just a dispensable cannon fodder.
[3]
http://tinyurl.com/ha9la8z

Posted by: denk | Apr 20 2016 17:13 utc | 215

in re 211 –
Very definitely not me. Sorry to disappoint the haters.
Unlike some, I have never called for anyone to be banned, and will not do so.
in re 212 –
You smelled it, you dealt it.
in re 214 –
Like I said, leave the trolling to Jack Rabid, keep working on your file of “documentation”. The only sense I get out of this is that of your own, unfounded self-righteousness.
in re 216 —
I wonder what’s actually happening?
Looks like the hound is still in the hunt. Said to be just 2 pct. off of Clinton in national polling, Bernie is not changing a thing.

“We lost tonight,” he said, adding, “There are five primaries next week, we think we’re going to do well and we have a path toward victory which we are going to fight to maintain.”
“Do you plan to change anything about your campaign after tonight’s loss?” one reporter asked.
“No,” Sanders responded. “We have a message that is resonating through this country. We have come a long, long way.”

“To dream the impossible dream, to reach the unreachable star….” Naked Capitalism bird-dogged this interesting piece from The Guardian on Sanders intent in starting and completing his presidential run. Like, man, it’s a movement, like this total People Power Happening, can you dig it?

“A campaign has got to be much more than just getting votes and getting elected,” he told an interviewer soon after launching his run. “It has to be helping to educate people, organize people. If we can do that, we can change the dynamic of politics for years and years to come.”
…Sanders’ campaign looks more like an extension of the extra-electoral politics of phenomena like the Occupy, Black Lives Matter, Fight for $15 and Dreamer movements, small-d democratic citizen activism bypassing political institutions beholden to narrow, moneyed interests….
He’s not promising to solve problems himself, as much as to use the White House as a bully pulpit to mobilize citizens against the forces that keep the status quo intact.
“You have to develop grassroots organizations,” he told an interviewer questioning how he’d deliver with so little support for his positions on Capitol Hill. “You have to bring the grassroots in much closer to what’s happening in Congress.” Elsewhere, he noted: “We can elect the best person in the world to be president, but that person will get swallowed up unless there is an unprecedented level of activism at the grassroots level.”
Barack Obama also rode the crest of a mass movement seeking progressive change to win the nomination and the election in 2008. But he just as quickly demobilized it and governed as a centrist technocrat. In Sanders’ own telling, Obama’s biggest mistake was that “after his brilliant campaign in 2008, he basically said to the millions of people who supported him: ‘Thanks for getting me elected – I will take it from here.’ I will not make that mistake.”
A “movement” campaign for a “movement” presidency, then, in the tradition of America’s social justice history of which Sanders was a part, as a young activist against segregation and war.

So what’s so funny ‘bout Peace Love and Understanding?
Sanders remains committed to seeing it through. He discusses his plans at HuffPost

Despite the challenge that Sanders faces, he has little incentive to drop out of the race anytime soon. His campaign raised $43.5 million during February, outpacing Clinton, who raised $30.1 million. Sanders has pledged to take the race to the convention, even if behind, in order to represent his followers there and work to inject his progressive agenda into the party platform and bloodstream.

I may not like the principles or politics, but it certainly appears to be a movement intent on more than gingering up the pinkos before the election. One may call it a weak or an incorrect movement; nonetheless, it seems to move forward.
I was unconvinced of earlier allegations of dirty tricks by Mrs. Clinton’s people. But it would certainly seem there was dirty work done in Brooklyn, and elsewhere, according to the post-mortem on Democracy Now. If memory serves, a number of senior legislator have gone to jail there recently, Gov. Cuomo caught flak for suppressing an anti-corruption effort.
And remember, America needs proportional representation. Be sure to ask for it by name at a legislature near you today! Not stocked? Ask to see the Manager or Owner! “Why isn’t the Assembly mathematically correct?”

Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 21 2016 3:33 utc | 217

rufus
Plagarism

Your plagarism occured here. I called it out in the next comment and described it more fully in comments thereafter.
You quoted an article that supported your assertion that “Syriza is probably out in a Greek election stalemate.” Then plagiarized my earlier comment when you said: “Is that meaningful debt relief on the horizon? Nah, just a mirage.”
You then acknowledged that they WERE my words and phrasing (“meaningful debt relief … a mirage”) that you had used without attribution.
Your excuse makes no sense because if you HAD been throwing my words back at me (that I had written 8 days before!), you would’ve quoted them or noted that they were mine when you wrote the comment.
Plagiarizers are essentially thieves.

“…you merely suggested it about Strether”

Bullsh!t. This is a lie – I did no such thing. As I explained @167. I know that nakedcapitalism supports Bernie and i have no reason to suggest otherwise.
Furthermore, you admitted @184 that your slander was intentional and you have still not corrected the record.
You’re not fooling anyone, dumbass.

My mission…

… false allegations regarding my politics
I’ve ALREADY accurately described your Hillary stance in “Hillary Weirdness” @172. Your stated politics makes little sense to me. I can’t imagine that it makes any sense to anyone else. You claim to be a socialist but urge a vote for Hillary as a ‘lesser evil’. But now claim that you won’t actually vote for her yourself. You say your views are motivated by concern for workers but these workers have been shafted by politicians like Hillary. I think your Zionism explains your views more than your claimed socialism.
your actual involvement with politics
Once again: personal info about an anonymous blogger is irrelevant.

I am not the sort of person to fuck with casually

You’re a morally-challenged moron who tries to make up for his immaturity with bullsh!t.
You left MoA with a sarcastic “thanks for all the fish” because no one cares what you have to say. That’s because you’re a nincompoop with an agenda and you’ve shown yourself to be a liar, a slanderer, and a thief.
Apparently no one wants to get near you, casually or otherwise, so you come here to torment us. Sad.

I had to take my game to the next level

Translation: “because I’m such a f*cking loser, I had to resort to being a prick.”

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 21 2016 7:47 utc | 219

rufus
All you had to do was show some common decency by doing the right thing: acknowledging and correcting your mistake.
Yes, my demand for an apology was probably not smart. I was ticked off! But you had also demanded an apology when I made a mistake about you back in December. It didn’t stop me from issuing a retraction and expressing my regret to you.
And I immediately acknowledged the mistake I made with Plenue. I didn’t obfuscate, bullsh!t or delay. I just wrote that it was a mistake.
Time after time you just refuse to deal with your mistakes in a mature way:

plagarize? throwing your words back at you;
Israeli murder? a litany of excuses for Israel and yourself (despite criticizing Israel for their Palestinian policies);
slander? in your warped view there was a ‘suggestion’ that justified your action.

In each case, the mistake is clear and the necessary corrective steps would’ve been easy for most of us.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 21 2016 11:55 utc | 221

@ 202
I fear Penelope your credibility is somewhat less than zero. There are no facts in evidence that you are even qualified to arrive at a sound conclusion let alone judgment on environmental matters. What does shine out is a subconscious bias as to what you accept as valid and what you reject as untrue. Nowhere do I see any of your cited references as having peer reviewed acceptance, a fact you hide. Nowhere has there been any sort of position by the scientifically educated community that sustains your thesis, at least as far back as the 1956-57 IGY. Several others here, a lot kinder than I, have pointed these things out to you but, alas, to no effect and at this point I abandon any further consideration of whatever you deposit at this site. You and Rufass will keep each other company quite well – the wilfully obtuse.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 22 2016 12:57 utc | 223

Formerly T-Bear @ 223 ,
“Nowhere do I see any of your cited references as having peer reviewed acceptance, a fact you hide. ”
But, T-Bear, only studies are peer-reviewed, didn’t you know?
Are you objecting to links to NASA, NOAA or HADCRUTS? They are supposed to be objectively measuring temperature or sea level, altho they are politicized and “adjust the data in support of AGW.
This link http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783 is to a simplified summary article, not a study. Don Easterbrook is the author; he has published hundreds of peer-reviewed articles, but this is just a simple article written for the public. If you want to see his studies, probably you can find them on the net.
And THIS from my comment @202 “About 950-1350 Medieval Warm Period, which has been confirmed as being global by worldwide studies. All studies confirm MWP to have been as warm as today and most indicate that it was warmer. Some are here. http://www.co2science.org/subject/l/littlemwp.php ”
T-Bear, I specifically said it’s a link to a list of studies. And of course they are peer-reviewed.
If peer-reviewed is important to you, why quote the Guardian?
In closing I quote Professor David Deming of the University of Oklahoma, “One of the most disgusting things to emerge from the 2009 Climategate emails was the revelation of an attempt to subvert the peer-review process by suppressing the publication of work that was scientifically sound but contrary to the reviewer’s personal views.”
Your unkind remarks have the same damping effect on the critical discussion of denying the expansion of their ruling power to Rockefeller, et al thru their creation & maintenance of the CO2 phobia, as documented in the Senate Study. Once again, I remind you that the Guardian’s climate coverage is directly paid for by the Billionaire’s Club. http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/6ce8dd13-e4ab-4b31-9485-6d2b8a6f6b00/chainofenvironmentalcommand.pdf
When the Guardian reports on a scientific “study” it is often the case that the category of scientist chosen is the type who wants the press release, but has not yet published the study. Conscientious scientists always publish the study so that their press release isn’t “unanswerable.” This is out of respect for the scientific process– and the truth.
I am actually always looking for knowledge, T-Bear. If you presented me with an argument or evidence that supported the CO2-phobic conclusion I would change my mind.

Posted by: Penelope | Apr 23 2016 2:08 utc | 225

Your bullsh!t is never-ending.
1) I noted that Nakedcapitalism “supports Bernie, though not officially” in my mediately preceding comment (made only 11 comments and 9 hours prior) before quoting Lambert as saying “I’m not unaware of the “sheepdog” critique of the Sanders candidacy”.
2) Lambert’s “not unaware” phrasing strongly implies that he himself doesn’t view Sanders as a sheepdog(!). Lambert goes on to answer those who do view Sanders as sheepdog saying: “but in the same way that the dogs won’t eat the dogfood, the sheep might not follow the sheepdog.”
3) If I thought that Lambert agreed with the sheepdog characterization, I would not have taken him to task by adding the comment:

“Of course, the problem with this logic is that, while some ‘sheep’ may not follow, many (probably most) WILL follow.

immediately after quoting him.
4) You have made the claim – here at MoA and also at nakedcapitalism (“I’ve been reading y’all for long enough that I didn’t think so.”), that you follow nakedcapitalism.com closely so you should’ve KNOWN what their view of Sanders is. For the last year they’ve posted pro-Sanders info and opinion.
But you didn’t just attempt to clarify, you made this FALSE claim:

“Your former poster “jackrabbit” is alleging Lambert agrees with him over at Moon of Alabama.”

I never ‘alleged’ any such thing. Nor did I ‘suggest’ it. And you state this as FACT, not opinion. It was a gratuitous comment, made after you had already received your answer: that Lambert doesn’t see Sanders as a sheepdog.
Furthermore, you have had ample opportunity to correct this falsity but you have refused to do so and, in fact, indicated @184 that what you did was malicious and purposefully harmful.
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I was NOT distorting Plenue. You are trying to muddy the waters to distract from your offenses. This was an honest mistake THAT HAD NO BEARING ON THE POINT THAT I WAS MAKING as I explained @173. And I immediately wrote a correction.
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You can not justify the unjustifiable. Your attempt to do so insults the intelligence of MoA readers and is meant to spark a ‘pissing contest’.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 23 2016 20:37 utc | 227

More bullsh!t to distract from your offense.
We’ve seen your bullsh!t handiwork before over your excusing of State murder (and see this for more info), not to mention your bullsh!t excuse for plagiarism.
You want to turn this into a pissing contest to muddy the waters. But no amount of piss will wash away your offense(s). It just makes you more odious.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 24 2016 18:50 utc | 229

in re 172 —
Oh, so those are foreign Greens, not good, wholesome American ones. So they don’t share any political values, doctrines, theories, memes, mores, or rules? Oh, it’s not like the German Greens have been an influence the Green Party, and indeed more broadly on the American left, since the Eighties, have they?
So what makes our precious American Greens so morally superior? Did you lay hands on Dr. Stein, pass along a little of that Immaculate Conception of American Exceptionalism? Or are they just more in touch with Mother Gaia?
Oh, and indeed, we can’t even talk about an “American” Green Party, because — state differences! Oh, so no national Democrats, Republicans, or even United States, it would seem.
You know the real reason we cannot yet recount woeful tales of betrayal by American Greens? They can’t win elections and don’t have any power. Can’t sell out if you’ve nothing to offer.
But if they ever do get to power, it will be to sellers of dietary supplements and organic foods, purveyors of “alternative power” devices, socially-responsible brands (read: expensive and elite), car companies (but only ones with hybrids, you know), and chains of holistic healers and New Age trinketeers that our Greens offer “access” and solicit for their views and checks.
Who knows the foreign policy sellouts they’ll concoct? I’m sure some bright Third World despot will figure out a suitably sustainable foreign aid con to run on them. Drones vs. illegal loggers? Especially if there’s a friendly commodity-trading multi-national nearby with a contract to monopolize the business. Strictly to be better able to certify it all officially “green” and reward “green” companies and producers, of course.

Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 25 2016 23:19 utc | 231