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April 9, 2016
Open Thread 2016-14
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this journalist still needs our help! see video on YouTube and please share: Posted by: Tom Murphy | Apr 9 2016 19:08 utc | 1 The breadth and depth of your post are astonishingly remarkable b, and on an almost daily basis. Although I find your blog a treasure of non-MSM news I find it somewhat un-nerving. I have a hard time believing that any mortal human could have the savvy to say nothing of available time to produce the plethora of information available at MoA. You must have remarkable sources and a wonderfully efficient and hard working staff. Just saying… but I’m glad you’re here and doing it anyway. Posted by: juannie | Apr 9 2016 19:13 utc | 2 Are there any others who wish Peter Lavelle would shut up and let his guests talk? Posted by: chet380 | Apr 9 2016 19:25 utc | 3 It’s time for Mr. Putin to enjoy a barrel of popcorn with extra butter and a glass of his favorite. Posted by: likklemore | Apr 9 2016 19:44 utc | 4 juannie @2 Posted by: kafkananda | Apr 9 2016 19:53 utc | 6 Has the caricatures war started in the Middle East? Saudi Arabia and Qatar are a huge mine of inspiration for caricaturists if they want to reply to Nasrallah’s latest caricature. Posted by: virgile | Apr 9 2016 20:06 utc | 7 @2 juannie.. i agree with you.. Posted by: james | Apr 9 2016 20:22 utc | 8 https://marknesop.wordpress.com/ ie The Kremlin Stooge is a good resource which complements MOA nicely. Great commentary from some bi-lingual Russians supplying the antidote to western poison, esp re: Ukraine. Posted by: ruralito | Apr 9 2016 20:48 utc | 10 Does someone have an answer to this question that has perplexed me for the last year: Where did the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria go? In 2011 when the first big demonstrations against the Assad government began it looked like the ‘brothers’ were leading the rebel factions. Then within a year or two we no longer saw any more references to the Muslim Brotherhood. Today there are at least five different groups that claim the Islamist jihad title (groups that support Sharia Law to lead Syria, some that can claim Wahabi origins but others that do not) but the MB name has disappeared. Where did their original cadre go? Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 9 2016 21:05 utc | 11 A Syrian woman I met yesterday, from a family of the (liberal) opposition, told me that that Asad is going to win, with a lot of killing. I said no, Putin will forbid the killing. Her old father, long in the opposition, now only wants to return to Syria. Posted by: Laguerre | Apr 9 2016 21:18 utc | 12 what if part of masonic ritual involved in false flag hoax events of gladio, Posted by: tobias smollett | Apr 9 2016 21:26 utc | 13 @ToivoS 11 Posted by: virgile | Apr 9 2016 23:01 utc | 14 Top ISIS Commanders Fleeing To America Alarms Russia; Posted by: citizen7 | Apr 9 2016 23:35 utc | 15 @citizen7 #15: It’s one of the oldest continuingly operating disinformation outlets on the web and has ZERO credibility. Google “Sorcha Faal” for more information. @ToivoS #11: I’m not sure to which extent it is true but I suspect the brotherhood’s army on the ground is known as Ahrar al-Sham. Meanwhile in the US, I had a conversation last night with two neighbor ladies over a beer on the patio. I talked for 20 minutes about some of the things I’ve learned since the Maidan, including the blanket propagandizing of the US, and they listened. Posted by: Grieved | Apr 10 2016 1:05 utc | 18 this is my prediction – Marshall plan for Syria sponsored by the Chinese when the fighting dies down. Posted by: Mischi | Apr 10 2016 1:27 utc | 19 MoA must be cutting quote close to the bone this last week, attracting some extra trollage. Nice one MoA. Posted by: MadMax2 | Apr 10 2016 1:57 utc | 20 The question, sadly, is not whether trolls assume the thread; but if indeed anyone has a single clue of what comes next. Posted by: sean | Apr 10 2016 2:14 utc | 21 @Mischi #19 Posted by: Jack Smith | Apr 10 2016 2:19 utc | 22 @18 grieved.. that is a nice little personal story.. thanks for that.. it is mildly encouraging! Posted by: james | Apr 10 2016 3:18 utc | 23 MRW – if you are around… i enjoyed reading that book ‘mistakes were made, (but not by me)” – very insightful.. thanks for that suggestion which i picked up in some passing commentary at ssr a few weeks ago..thanks for that… Posted by: james | Apr 10 2016 4:45 utc | 24 Watch a professional decode Brussels attack. Video presentatoin, not too long. Posted by: Penelope | Apr 10 2016 6:05 utc | 25 Turkey has asked the “FSA”, its proxy, to move to Western Syria to prevent the Kurds from winning territories over ISIS. Turkey will allow the passage of massive weapons provided by the USA to support them.
Posted by: virgile | Apr 10 2016 12:26 utc | 26 Sun Tzu in Syria – response to the Atlantic Council/Bellingcat about the Russian military operation in Syria: https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2016/04/09/sun-tzu-in-syria/ Posted by: KMF | Apr 10 2016 13:25 utc | 28 11;Probably at Egyptian request.Can’t have Sisi’s fall guys getting Western press backing in Syria. Posted by: dahoit | Apr 10 2016 14:16 utc | 29 In Kiev a switcherew is in the works. Posted by: likklemore | Apr 10 2016 15:34 utc | 30 ass carter Posted by: denk | Apr 10 2016 16:39 utc | 31 ToivoS @ 11, Posted by: Penelope | Apr 10 2016 16:58 utc | 32 Finally a storage battery that’s decently efficient, for vehicles & for homes off-the-grid. Posted by: Penelope | Apr 10 2016 17:03 utc | 33 Might be a push on to make Erdogan more obedient (or absent): Zarab, a Turkish lobbyist arrested by US, possibly to squeeze him for info to leash Erdogan.— http://johnhelmer.net/?p=15389 Posted by: Penelope | Apr 10 2016 17:07 utc | 34 #s 14, 17 and 32. Thanks for the suggestions. I always figured that the brand “Muslim Brotherhood” disappeared in Syria because of Saudi Arabia and Egypt pressure (Recall that just days before Issi’s ouster in Egypt he called upon his supporters to volunteer to join the war against the Assad government). At that time the native Syrians that made up the bulk of the opposition to Assad identified with the MB. Then it seemed to completely disappear but into what. Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 10 2016 18:20 utc | 35 A cute, not-too-arithmetical proof that the world is only over-propagandized, not over-populated. Posted by: Penelope | Apr 10 2016 18:35 utc | 36 in re 30 — Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 10 2016 19:38 utc | 37 The oil barons have long waged wars for monopoly control of gas & oil. But such vast quantities of the stuff was found all over the Mediterranean, the Carribean, the Caspian, and the Arctic that at last the “Peak Oil” meme couldn’t be sustained. Posted by: Penelope | Apr 10 2016 19:39 utc | 38 Jeffrey Goldberg (from the Atlantic) had an interview with Obama. Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 10 2016 20:47 utc | 39 @ Rufus 37 Posted by: likklemore | Apr 10 2016 23:37 utc | 40 When asked in a quick Q&A preview for an interview with Fox News Sunday what his “worst mistake” as a president had been, the US leader answered: “Probably failing to plan for the day after what I think was the right thing to do in intervening in Libya.” Posted by: james | Apr 11 2016 0:09 utc | 41 Groysman’s name was floated earlier, but it did not seem to resonate. Yatesenyuk indicated about a week ago he was ready to resign. Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 11 2016 0:16 utc | 42 The Road to Western Armenia Begins in Artsakh
Artsakh? I found it and an ancient map at wikipedia. Overlaid it on one from Google. Irredentist dreams, all rekindled now that Erdogan has conjured them into play. I think this could be very serious. If I were anywhere in the EU I’d imm’y pull all funds from the bank. In fact I’m going to draw down here in the US. Posted by: Penelope | Apr 11 2016 1:42 utc | 44 Here’s an interesting article about the recent developments of the Russian air force in Syria.
The next day, Putin announced Russia’s planned “withdrawal”. The linked article above suggests that, actually, some fixed wing aircraft have been withdrawn and simply replaced with attack helicopters with sophisticated jamming technology to counter manpads, which begs the question whether Putin was in fact motivated by this development. Posted by: Pat Bateman | Apr 11 2016 12:10 utc | 45 On the earlier open thread I considered the question — Is Sanders building a movement? What sort?
The author, Erik Forman, concludes with four practical measures to create an independent political movement out of Sanders 5 million or so voters. Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 11 2016 12:12 utc | 46 In re Armenia — Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 11 2016 12:20 utc | 47 Obomba states if the hell bitch released secrets to our enemies,she didn’t mean it! Posted by: dahoit | Apr 11 2016 13:37 utc | 48 rufus @46 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 11 2016 14:34 utc | 49 dahoit @48: Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 11 2016 14:56 utc | 50 @47 rufus – did you see the video i posted @23? it is on the topic of Nagorno-Karabakh Posted by: james | Apr 11 2016 15:42 utc | 51 mdm park is a bona fide sinophile, or in murkkan parlance, a certified *chicom lover*. Posted by: denk | Apr 11 2016 16:06 utc | 52 @52:you are behind the curve. Posted by: Polaris | Apr 11 2016 17:10 utc | 53 The “Billionaire’s Club” of the Senate Report “Chain of Environmental Command” are taking the US economy further down, just as outlined in the report. The farcical CO2 phobia as pretext for reducing the very basis of modern industry and transportation– energy. Energy for electricity, for communication, the internet and pumping water to your tap. It’s going to get colder now, Winters are already colder. We’re going to need more energy for heating homes and bigger greenhouses. But we’ve closed all those nasty coal-mines. Never mind that windmills & solar energy are a big expensive flop. We’ve still got Big Oil to rely on. Big, murderous oil the impulse for the sad deaths of men and nations. I’m sure that in a pinch we can rely on them to deliver the oil to power the remnants of our industries and save us from freezing. Posted by: Penelope | Apr 11 2016 17:12 utc | 54 At this point Yulia Tymoshenko would be a godsend for Ukraine, as she will work with Putin imho Posted by: aaaa | Apr 11 2016 17:45 utc | 55 Politicizing Gov’t Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 11 2016 18:59 utc | 56 regarding the panama papers – interesting theory – clash of the titans, rothchilds verses soro’s.. Posted by: james | Apr 12 2016 0:17 utc | 57 james at 23 – Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 12 2016 0:37 utc | 58 As I suggested earlier, it seems to me he is not herding sheep, but adding to his pack.
I don’t know that I would describe Nader as failure, but he was hardly a success in building a movement after being nominated by the Greens. Nor would I call anyone willing to take on the power of Big Money a coward.
Other commenters note he has endorsed Stein, so he’s not exactly a disinterested observer.
I think he’s wrong, however, to separate the ideological weaknesses of the “post-Communist” left from its organizational difficulties.
And on a very practical level, he has shown that the major argument for fealty to the One Percent is false; Sanders has raised all of his cash from small donors, not Wall Street or IPO swells. In this regard, the Clinton campaign’s coziness with various state party committees is small potatoes, compared to his ongoing critique of its Wall Street ties.
So one would think that Sanders and his insurgents may not necessarily remain within the party, should the existing leadership continue to try to thwart their work of opening up some Overton windows and letting in some fresh air. A nascent movement with his back would, perhaps, steel his spirit for a more aggressive fight. Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 12 2016 0:51 utc | 59 @58 rufus… i know what you mean about talking heads, but this is in russian and has english subtitles – so mostly 8 minutes of reading.. i thought it was quite informative.. Posted by: james | Apr 12 2016 1:07 utc | 60 fascinating conjecture and commentary The Islamic State in Turkey: A Deep Dive into a Dark Place Posted by: james | Apr 12 2016 1:19 utc | 61 jas. at 58 Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 12 2016 2:11 utc | 62 @62 – rufus – i am the same.. i always avoid video and am a text oriented person.. Posted by: james | Apr 12 2016 2:25 utc | 63 Posted by: jfl | Apr 10, 2016 8:36:53 PM | 43: Artsakh? I found it and an ancient map at wikipedia Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 12 2016 2:47 utc | 64 polaris 53 Posted by: denk | Apr 12 2016 3:35 utc | 65 rufus @59 makes a few points that, upon closer inspection, are weak:
One other note:
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 12 2016 3:38 utc | 66 Sanders’ only real chance to ‘transform’ the Democratic Party is by winning the nomination. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 12 2016 4:13 utc | 67 Syria: an interview with Thierry Meyssan Posted by: james | Apr 12 2016 4:41 utc | 68 james @68 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 12 2016 4:48 utc | 69 jr at 66 Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 12 2016 4:53 utc | 70 More useful analysis on the departure of Yatsenyuk, from Russia Insider. As Gilbert Doctorow argues, Yatsenyuk Is Gone, But His Masters Remain. The opening paragraph gives you the flavor.
Doctorow sees the radical nationalists and their oligarchic backers as effectively being in charge, despite occasional cosmetic American interventions.
Ah, but the feng shui of the deck chairs will be so much more auspicious! Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 12 2016 5:03 utc | 71 rufus @70
> Isn’t the Green Party playing the same game …
> What luck will marginal Greens have …
> And did I not note earlier, Sanders’ intent at the start was not even to influence the Democrats, but merely to raise the issue of inequality?
> … why not raise the stakes when the message resonates?
> who the hell has endorsed Sanders “for personal gain”?
> political axe to grind … We in the history business … congenitally examine all sources for bias
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 12 2016 6:16 utc | 72 @52: helps youse come up 2 speed Posted by: polaris | Apr 12 2016 7:35 utc | 73 The West’s Terrorist “Catch and Release” Program
A wry observation, right on the mark. I’m sure the victims of the US/EU catch and release program are … more than furious. As we all should be. It’s long past time for the CIA and its European vassals to be put down. They’ve been all pain and no gain for ordinary people all over the world for the past 68 years. Posted by: jgl | Apr 12 2016 12:09 utc | 74 I DO NOT SUPPORT MRS. CLINTON!
I rather doubt they will all go with the same third party, and given the realities of contemporary politics in America, I’m thinking the bulk of these will break right. I would also suspect that the third party rate will fall as the decision becomes less hypothetical. Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 12 2016 12:31 utc | 75 Socialist Senator Explains the Difference Between Democrats and Republicans Posted by: jfl | Apr 12 2016 12:34 utc | 76 rufus @75
workers will fare less badly under a Democratic administration
the historical experience of the Greens … What concretely might our marginal Greens actually do?
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 12 2016 13:36 utc | 77 @ 74 — Posted by: jawbone | Apr 12 2016 13:58 utc | 78 Dave Lindorff thinks Sanders should run for President on the Green Party ticket.
Sanders doesn’t have to pull punches. If he is NOT a sheepdog, he should do everything he can to WIN the democratic nomination. That means making a forceful case that she is unelectable so as to beat Hillary in her home state of New York.
If he is not successful in NY, he could then work with the Greens to take his campaign to the General Election, to build a Movement, to build a Party. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 12 2016 15:10 utc | 79 polaris 73 Posted by: denk | Apr 12 2016 15:17 utc | 80 guess who says this in hiroshima…? Posted by: denk | Apr 12 2016 15:22 utc | 81 @69 jackrabbit Posted by: james | Apr 12 2016 16:03 utc | 82 @79 ..And she’s winning. The fact that Sanders will VOTE for Hillary if he loses means that he’s not willing to go all the way. Posted by: aaaa | Apr 12 2016 16:17 utc | 83 @80: source is Global Times interview? Did you read. Posted by: Polaris | Apr 12 2016 16:31 utc | 84 james @82: Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 12 2016 17:11 utc | 85 Think the “Green” Party will be so great once they “integrate” into the Matrix? Check out: Posted by: blues | Apr 12 2016 17:12 utc | 86 blues @86 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 12 2016 17:35 utc | 87 @85 jackrabbit.. that is true and i don’t buy that for one minute… however, this is the angle that is being exploited by the war machine and msm.. this is typically a sign reality is completely opposite.. the verdict is still out on Thierry Meyssan.. maybe it comes across different in his first language french.. either that, or he is unwilling to acknowledge some things that seem obvious to me.. hard to know.. Posted by: james | Apr 12 2016 18:47 utc | 88 Pushing for Regime Change in Belgium? Posted by: Penelope | Apr 12 2016 22:10 utc | 89 jgl @ 74, Catch & release! Clever. I read about it years ago in Afghanistan. US had an agreement to turn their prisoners over to the Afghan-leader/US-puppet. US soldiers would see the same detainees walking down the streets of Kabul few days later. They complained. Complained too about having to deliver fertilizer to the poppy fields. US oligarchs seldom let their forces leave: Still occupying Germany and Japan 70 years after WWII. Oh, I forgot, they are “allies”, not much choice. Posted by: Penelope | Apr 12 2016 22:15 utc | 90 jr, 77, 79 – Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 12 2016 22:43 utc | 91 @rufus Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 13 2016 1:00 utc | 92 Polaris 84 Posted by: denk | Apr 13 2016 3:20 utc | 93 cia training manual Posted by: denk | Apr 13 2016 3:28 utc | 94 Back with the diversionary personal attacks instead of the issues, I see. Posted by: rufus magister | Apr 13 2016 3:33 utc | 95 @rufus
First, I am a worker …
You still have not explained …
We’ve had Republican Administrations in the past. Somehow we survived. The more that people allow themselves to be marginalized and taken advantage of by an unjust system and the candidates it produces, the more that we will all be ground down for their benefit. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 13 2016 4:39 utc | 96 Death of Black Activist in US Jail Prompts Calls for Action
What happened to Sandra Bland in cell 95? Debate continues with video release
Assessing the Legality of Sandra Bland’s Arrest
He didn’t though. He threw her on the ground, abused her, and locked her up. Who knows who knotted the plastic bag and hung her, three days later, in cell 95 at the Waller County jail? Piotr Berman @ 64, Posted by: Penelope | Apr 13 2016 5:35 utc | 98 Rufie @95 Posted by: activist | Apr 13 2016 9:35 utc | 99 |Posted on another thread (See: ‘Selective leaks …’ post) as well: Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 13 2016 12:37 utc | 100 |
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