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March 10, 2016
‘The Obama Doctrine’ Is To Whitewash His Foreign Policy

The Atlantic publishes Obama's great whitewashing of his own foreign policy. It is the result of a series of interviews with Jefferey Goldberg written up into one gigantic piece under the headline "The Obama Doctrine". Throughout the piece Goldberg and Obama touch various foreign policy issues, mainly in the Middle East.

The ostensible purpose is to refute hawkish critics of Obama who say that he has not been militaristic enough or was 'leading from behind.' Judging from comments to the piece in various media the readers seem to fall for that. But the real purpose of the piece is to hide the militaristic, dangerous to catastrophic decision Obama has made on many foreign policy issues.

The real Obama has used the military to wage open or hidden wars in more countries than any president since the second world war. Obama has ordered thousands of unknown people be killed by drone strikes in ten or so countries. He has used clandestine means for illegitimate regime change from Honduras over Ukraine to Iraq where, as he admitted in an earlier interview, let the evil of ISIS grow for the sole purpose of ousting Prime Minister Maliki. Instead of making room for the inevitable growth of China, Obama is preparing to wage a preemptive war against it.

The whitewash includes a lot of juicy, diverting quotes that many people will like. It bitches about foreign paid think tanks in Washington and the Saudis. It lambastes Cameron and Sarkozy. It badmouths his own hawkish advisers.

When it discusses why Obama let his 'red line' on chemical weapons in Syria slip and did not bomb the country it tries to paint Obama's decisions on Syria as sensible and reasoned. But what is sensible or reasoned in ordering the CIA to ship thousands of Jihadis, recycled from his war on Libya and earlier conflicts, to Syria? What is peaceful in arming and paying sectarian "rebels" with billions of dollars to overthrow the legitimate Syrian government? The piece does not mention those facts and the interviewer never touches those questions.

Obama criticizes the Saudis and Iran for waging proxy wars in Syria and Yemen. But Iran came in only after Obama and the Saudis waged war on those countries. Without him Yemen would not be bombed and Syria would be peaceful. It is he who enables the Saudi misdeeds.

On Libya the president blames France and Britain for dropping the ball after Ghaddafi was killed. But it was the U.S. that enabled and directed the war, flew most attacks, dropped 7,700 bombs and had its people on the ground training and organizing the Jihadis for attacks on government positions. Here the fake 'leading from behind' is used to blame the allies when the inevitable consequences of the war, the destruction of the functioning state Libya, appear.

In general the piece is somewhat interesting and shows some insight into Obama's thinking. But if you take the hour that is at least needed to read it keep in mind that this was published for a purpose. Obama is preparing his next career step. With the Goldberg interviews and this piece he is attempting to wash the blood off his hands and to whitewash his legacy.

Comments

I’m relieved to see that the scurrilous comment no. 1 has been deleted.

Posted by: Quentin | Mar 11 2016 16:54 utc | 101

You didn’t show me where it says this in that article. If China, as article says… is supporting the squeeze being put on NK and it includes THAD, I’d like to see explicit language. That’s a huge claim to be throwing about, and if B is sourcing it the source should stand up to scrutiny.
Posted by: jdmckay | Mar 11, 2016 9:15:17 AM | 92

I assumed you had actually read the article before rushing into print. Did you read down to this par, and beyond?
The PRC is certainly paying attention. North Korea, after all, traditionally serves as a convenient stalking horse for the US military to insert new forces, weapons, doctrines, and policies into the region for tryouts and eventual use against China….
b’s statement “Obama is preparing to wage a preemptive war against it” could hardly be described as dissonant with the views of the author.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 11 2016 17:12 utc | 102

Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 11, 2016 12:54:06 AM | 75
“Every country’s battle-ready war ships are challenged by every other country, whenever they enter or approach another country’s territorial waters un-announced.”
This is where your argument breaks down – precisely the problem in the S. China Sea – China going out and building islands to extend its “territorial waters.” What if the US claimed, say, the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean as its “territorial waters” by extending the Florida Keys with a string of fake islands all the way to Yucatan? The US-haters here would be going bonkers, as well they should.

Posted by: Denis | Mar 11, 2016 11:31:45 AM | 98

You wish… My argument doesn’t break down. Denis wants to feel indignant (in a Moral Equivalence kind of way) about China going out and extending (uninhabited) islands near China while “forgetting” that the only genuine objector to China’s actions is the USG. ALL (every single one) of the neighboring “objectors” are non-sovereign victims of malevolent US Military Occupation. And as such must do and say what the “owners” of their US-installed govt tell them to do and say.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 11 2016 17:45 utc | 103

The people being referenced in the Atlantic piece. Why aren’t they in prison for ‘crimes against humanity?’ Ross? Kerry? Bu$h II? Why aren’t these people in prison? And who is Obama? The citizens of U$A know nothing of his true background. Same goes for Kerry.
Do not forget that the people who manufacture and market the substances that main and kill hundreds, thousands, millions of innocent women and children around this world are the same people who give out the Nobel Peace Prize. Why is irony always so ironic?

Posted by: ALberto | Mar 11 2016 18:26 utc | 104

The late Senator Daniel Inouye on the subject of the ‘Shadow Government’ …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbFphX5zb8w

Posted by: ALberto | Mar 11 2016 18:47 utc | 105

Well, it’s certainly a good literary device. What began several years ago as a fairy tale about “hope and chang” ends in fiction, the reality of all that time was not how it appeared.
Americans are conditioned for this however, living in a continual fabricated reality. We don’t need facts or evidence in this country to support our claims about anything, we merely need to believe in it, and that’s good enough.
It’s the fault of the majority of us plain folk, however, particularly in our youth, to stand in awe of power. Supported by finance which means we have or have not a roof over our head, and food to eat, still, we accept “money” as something of real worth, when in time, it reveals itself as just so much paper and metal.
Likewise, suits are impressive, not absurd and foolish looking costumes, which somehow represents our status, and without one like Corbyn we are just children. Financial worth is somehow “survival of the fittest,” when in fact so many as Orwell described the, “fat little men,” who rule over banks and over us, many of them wouldn’t last more than a day or two in the harshness of the elements.
In time our presidents and famous people are like us, so many ants that once populated the earth. Even while alive, they fade from our memories until at the moment of their passage, they’re dredged up again and stories of their make believe magnificance does the rounds. Then they go into a book, eventually the book goes out of print as it steadily grows more implausible by the year.
The only thing good about the political class perhaps, is that on the whole they keep the rest of us moving, while simultaneously holding back a better future. Without their class, however, perhaps we would propegate unimpeded and run out of food supplies.

Posted by: Geoff | Mar 11 2016 18:56 utc | 106

The Brothers Goldberg: Jonah, Jeffrey and Robert.
https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=70020

Posted by: fastfreddy | Mar 11 2016 19:17 utc | 107

Nelson Rockefeller served as Vice President from 1974 to 1977 under President Gerald R. Ford. We have two kinds of presidents. Oligarchs and their puppets, all part of a big mob. Obama is in the latter category. I’m not interested in the lives of these people. Nor the lives of the slave-owning “founding fathers”.
They played us like fiddles for hundreds of years. Blood all over the place.
Now they are getting ready for WW-III. They threaten to nuke us now. It’s a national psychosis.

Posted by: blues | Mar 11 2016 19:59 utc | 108

Meanwhile,
https://www.rt.com/news/line/
18:42 GMT
NATO nominates new Supreme Allied Commander Europe
The North Atlantic Council has approved the nomination of General Curtis Scaparrotti for the position of Supreme Allied Commander Europe, a NATO statement says. Scaparotti now serves as Commander, United Nations Command, Combined Forces Command, United States Forces Korea.

Posted by: Semp | Mar 11 2016 20:00 utc | 109

Oh also,
Arab League tags Lebanese Hezbollah as terror group
Arab League, rather Zionist League, poor palestinians having such corrupt brothers.

Posted by: Semp | Mar 11 2016 20:22 utc | 110

@3: “I think why Obama let the cemical weapon red line slipped is, because he knew it was a false flag incident and he could not come to terms with declaring an overt war for that (I am pretty sure US already knew it was a false flag back then).”
I think Russia and Chinas physical presence with lots of lethal ships in the Med had even more to do with that.

Posted by: don | Mar 11 2016 22:10 utc | 111

98
That’s easy … it’s called the South CHINA Sea ever since the days of the Admiralty charts, and every one of China’s neighbors have built islands in it, and staked land claims, in order to grab commercial fishing and oil & gas rights away for their Nations. China has every right to do the same.
The US doesn’t need to rename it the ‘Gulf of America’, they already have their vampire squid blood feeding tubes shoved into the region as far away as Argentina and Chile.
96
DPRK has no nukes, and no missiles capable of carrying nukes, so to say …” if one day nk *accidentally* lob a couple of nukes over ” is irresponsible and violates the MoA community guidelines to stick to rational debate. SK has every right to purchase anti-missile systems from US, RU or IL to protect against indiscriminate missile fire, as the illegal sanctions and naval blockade by UNSC ‘member states’ begins to bite the 25 million NKs, now slowly starving to death, Dachauesque.
And like PNAC Levantim transmogrified ‘Creeping Communism’ into ‘Islamic Jihad’ in only 9 months of Luciferian pregnancy, the Luciferians will then transmogrify ‘PDRK has the Bmob!’ into ‘China is the Enemy!’ in a Zew York nanosecond.
83
We are right now in a stealth Deep State P2A and R2P arms race 10x bigger than the Cold Warm a 40% increase in US weapons systems already in the pipeline, whole new fleets of strategic bombers, stealth fighters, aircraft carriers, missile submarines, and ICBMs already on the drawing boards, already being bid on Defense.gov/contracts, $2B every day.
“I will increase Defense spending … Muslims hate US”
Donald Trump
ALL
We are increasingly trapped by artificial intelligence data-mining on a terabyte scale by FB and GOOG et al, our mental pulse being charted and sold off to Wall Street and Mil.Gov, with which to build Waepons of Cognitive Dissonance Mass Destruction, casting palm branches on the Road to Apartheid Hell for Shaytan and His Deep State Minions.
http://www.breitbart.com/jihad/2016/03/11/security-cabinet-approves-completion-of-barrier-around-jerusalem/
This is the world that God has made, and the Rabbinical apartheidists have now destroyed. It’s official. A secular, self-proclaimed Apartheid ‘Jewish State’.
The Chosen, they call themselves. ‘Chosen of God’. Deniers of the True Christ. Apartheidists. Satanists. They will grow weak and soft, pusillanimous and venal behind their walls. And yet the World will still have to bow to Them.
Now the Deep ZioMedia has succeeded in also turning much of America into Apartheid Satanists. ‘Exceptionalists’, they call themselves. ‘The Makers’. The Bringers of Death.
“The Muslims H8 US!! Glass Their Sandbox!”
“Make Germany Great Again!” Adolf Hitler

Posted by: Chipnik | Mar 11 2016 22:42 utc | 112

One wonders whether the illegal UNSC declaration of war against the DPRK through international sanctions and a naval blockade, (shown repeatedly in the Levant to cause mass starvation and a ‘collapse’ not just of the ruling regime, but of the region,) one wonders if the ‘war games’ being executed by the US and SK aren’t a bit too similar to ‘war games’ between US and Canada on 9/11, and whether the UNSC ‘member states’ aren’t searching for a causus belli on the Inchon Peninsula, in order to cement the Deep State’s war powers under Trump/Clinton 2016-2020, and then pull the US, EU and JP out of their death-spiral economic doldrums, so extreme that ECB has declared permanent QEn, that is, the bleedout of the people’s wealth into collateralized debt securities ‘swaps’ of no more than paper value, if that.
“We need a ”catastrophic and catalyzing event— like a new Pearl Harbor.” The classic Trotskyite perpetual de-evolution into a global apartheid, exceptionalist, maker-taker, security state.
I don’t care how skilled you are as a diplomat, how brilliant you may be at meetings, or how creative you are as an administrator, if you are not professional about security, you are a failure.” Madeleine Albright, on the loss of a top-secret State Department laptop, on the eve of a Bush II Coup.
Compare the porous US intel sieve (Manning, Snowden) to the DPRK dark intel firewall, about which UNSC knows very little:
“We can INFER intel that the Kim Regime has between 10 and 20 nuclear weapons.” Oh really? INFINT? Or is that INFANT?!
Now with a full breach between SK and NK, a lock down of the borders and seizure of State properties, UNSC KNOWS NOTHING!!
So it declares an illegal war, on the basis of ZERO RELIABLE INFINT, …then holds the largest war games ever next door!
“Under the extreme situation that the U.S. imperialist is misusing its military influence and is pressuring other countries and people to start war and catastrophe, the only way for our people to protect sovereignty and rights to live is to strengthen the quality and quantity of nuclear power and realize the balance of power,” Kim Jung Un said, according to the KCNA.”
There is no balance of power with Unilateralists. There is no Ethos. There is only the TPP, declining wages and benefits for Labor, and a deeply entrenched Mil.Gov.Biz Fascist Deep State.

Posted by: Chipnik | Mar 12 2016 0:14 utc | 113

All my friends that voted for Obama are now saying that they were fooled by him. Does that mean that they have come to realize that a bi-partisan oligarchy rules the US Deep State? No! Even with the rivers of blood spilled by the Clintons they will vote for Hillary. Americans don’t give a flying f**k about the murder of millions or the immense destruction in the wake of US foreign policy. They will vote for more millions to die.
I live inside the US Empire of Mendacity and am thoroughly disgusted with Americans.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Mar 12 2016 0:50 utc | 114

Goldberg (ultra Zionist)** wrote for the toilet rag Bloomberg in 2013, that he had spoken with “moderate” beheaders(terrorists for Syria Regime Change), who told him that they kept their terrorist beards unshaven or untrimmed, because those with the biggest beards get the the biggest weapons and the largest bags of $$$.
That is why, Goldberg argued, under the Takfiri beards, there are really angelic creatures.
(No joke)
**Norman Finkelstein called Goldberg “a caricature of himself”.

Posted by: Steffen | Mar 12 2016 1:10 utc | 115

Johnnie Carson, U.S. assistant secretary for African Affairs,
*China is a “very aggressive and pernicious economic competitor with no morals.*
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[exhibit n = nk]
chipnik 112
*SK has every right to purchase anti-missile systems from US, RU or IL to protect against indiscriminate missile fire, *
china/ russia has every right to oppose ,the hype is about nk but its china in the crosshair !
thaad’s radar can monitor much of china/russia land mass,
worst still, it gives the unitedsnake a first strike option, the missiles shield is supposed to neutralise the remnants of chinese icbms after a first strike from usa knock out most of its nuclear arsenals.
the *mad* men in washington figure that the MAD doctrine is obselete. !
if it doesnt send a cold down your spine better check your heartbeat !
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like jp, sk has no sovereign right, it mostly takes order from washington.
the cic of sk army is a 4star murkkan general, go figures !
mdm park knows what happened to her father park chung he, a murkkan puppet who’s *taken out*
by cia the moment he stepped out of line !
but on thaad, seoul is bet a rock and a hard place. unitedsnake has been pressuring it for yrs to accept the batteries but its biggest customer, china persuaded it to desist.
so mdm park was contend to drag her feet …until now, the snake just used the nk boogie man to ram thaad down her throat.
china could only fume.
once again, nk serves it purpose , the perfect boogie man,
kinda like aq, the *gift* that keeps on giving…
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nk claims its already minituriased nuke warhead. it could be bs of course.
but *one day*, it might has nukes and *accidentally* lob some over into china,
something stinks about this nk/snake thrust and parry kabuki and im not the only one who smell it.
[warning] wear your tinfoil hat !
John C Carleton •
*North Korea Has always been a boogie man used by those corrupted minion from the District of Columbia, the whole bunch in the North Korean government are probably on the CIA payroll.*
http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-tells-north-korea-tone-down-nuclear-threats/ri13234
uncle sham
*O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!*
hehehehe

;……………………………….
denis 98
folks here who condemn murkkan imperialism are *america hater* ?
thats rather revealing of your mindset !
so nam is a *just war* and kissinger’s domino theory was right after all,
murkka was there to protect sea from the all conquering chinese dragon and its now in scs
upholding the fon !
are u a murkka apologist ?
hehehehe
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Posted by: denk | Mar 12 2016 3:55 utc | 116

Since the present phase in Western civilisation appears to me one of neo feudalism, with vassals expected to swear loyalty to their superior, Obomber’ s legacy will be memory as the XXI century John Baliol…
http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/brewers/toom-tabard.html

Posted by: Cortes | Mar 12 2016 10:02 utc | 117

From Yemen to Djibouti, 15 mn by plane
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/24435-djibouti-the-latest-chess-piece-in-the-riyadh-tehran-game

Posted by: Mina | Mar 12 2016 12:01 utc | 118

Posted by: Mina | Mar 12, 2016 7:01:25 AM | 118
Article reads like it was written by the CIA. Doesn’t it?
See the part where they pulled Obama’s gym shorts down around his ankles again? He personally got suckered into double rent for the base.
(They love to pull down his gym shorts and he doesn’t mind a bit.)

Posted by: fast freddy | Mar 12 2016 13:19 utc | 119

Might I also point out that we are all racists,its hardwired into the human condition to fear or be uncomfortable of the other.Asians,Africans,Europeans ,Maoris,Samoans,and native Americans are all afflicted.
Slave owning FFs?Well some were,and I bet your ancestors might of had some too,even if black or Latino,so stop with the nonsense of attacking mores of a different time,its dumb.

Posted by: dahoit | Mar 12 2016 14:52 utc | 120

Bill Clinton on Virtues of North Korean Nuclear Deal
https://youtu.be/6TcbU5jAavw
The reason the deal didn’t go though was because W blocked it, right when took office. Needed as many ‘enemies’ as possible.

Posted by: okie farmer | Mar 12 2016 15:30 utc | 121

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Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 11, 2016 12:45:28 PM | 103
“the only genuine objector to China’s actions is the USG. ALL (every single one) of the neighboring “objectors” are non-sovereign victims of malevolent US Military Occupation.”
LMAO, dude. Like, where have you been the last two decades? If you are saying that VN, Brunei, Tiawan, Malaysia, Phillippines are all “non-sovereign” or that they haven’t objected to China’s aggressive expansion into the S. China Sea, then you’ve got a screw loose. Each one has bitterly contested China’s expansion into the SCS. Spratly Isls, Paracel Isls, Gulf of Tonkin borders, Natuna Isls are all currently hot points of contention. In the E. China Sea, Japan and China are toe-to-toe over the Ryukyu Isls.
It’s all about who controls the oil fields.
The puerile anti-American echo here that you are promoting and pandering to is that America does nothing right, but Russia, China, Iran, NoKo do nothing wrong. I think a more productive approach is to dissect them all objectively.
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AriusArmenian | Mar 11, 2016 7:50:09 PM | 114
“Americans don’t give a flying f**k about the murder of millions or the immense destruction in the wake of US foreign policy. They will vote for more millions to die.”
I think your opinion is justified up to a point. Like people everywhere in the world, when they are drugged into moral stupor by their own comfort and relative prosperity, nobody’s likely to make much of a fuss about what their government does in other countries. Did the German or Japanese people push back against their governments in the lead up to or during WWII? Did the Turkish people complain about Armenia, or the Russian people try to stop the Ukraine cluster-fuck?
It took them 10 years to wake up to what their own government was doing in VN, but when Americans did finally get it after the Pentagon Papers were published, they brought the VN war to an end. Can anyone give me another example in all of history where the civilians of a country rose up and stopped their government from waging a foreign war or stopped their government from conscripting men to fight in a foreign war? Just one example? The Germans, Italians, and Japs, for instance, what did they do to stop their imperialistic governments from starting and waging WWII, which killed 80 million?
Seriously, I’m waiting for an answer to that.
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denk | Mar 11, 2016 10:55:54 PM | 116
a: “folks here who condemn murkkan imperialism are *america hater* ?”
Your point? Are you saying that people here who condemn US imperialism are actually America-lovers? I don’t see too many American-lovers on this blog.
b: “so nam is a *just war* and kissinger’s domino theory was right after all,”
I didn’t comment on whether VN war was “just” or “right.” It wasn’t either, IMO, and I fought in it. I was making a practical point that VN would be in a much better position to defend it’s interests in the S. China Sea if it had America’s military backing it up. China, which had colonized VN for a millennium, used VN as a proxy in the VN war to keep US from getting control of the oil fields in the SCS.
But once the Americans got whipped, China itself started claiming islands in VN’s territorial waters and is now building islands of its own. The idea is: build an island wherever you want – including in other countries’ territorial waters – and the waters around your new island and the oil under it become your “territory.” We’ll see how that works out.
It’s all about who controls the oil fields.

Posted by: Denis | Mar 12 2016 16:17 utc | 122

This Goldberg article had one nugget of new information I hadn’t heard about. When Obama suddenly walked back from his red line it occurred to many that he had been briefed about the possibility that the Assad gassed his own people story was based on a false flag operation carried out by the terrorists. Goldberg reports that Clapper briefed Obama that week that the intelligence implicating Assad was no “slam dunk”. That is coming as close as saying that the whole story was total bull shit given provenance of “slam dunk”.

Posted by: ToivoS | Mar 12 2016 16:26 utc | 123

Toivos @123
Another “least wrong” answer from Clapper.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12 2016 16:55 utc | 124

Posted above, 97, about why … Obama accepted the face-saving Lavrov-Putin move (to have chem weapons removed from Syria) .. I wasn’t happy about my speculations..
Looked into it a bit more and lo! some news emerged today.
Apparently, the US and Russia were collaborating on this issue since 2012. Richard Lugar (Rep) and Andrew Weber (wiki) met the Russians in Moscow to effect that result. Moscow was afraid that chem arms would be taken over by terrorists, and Washington that Damas would use them massively — both parties, that they would be uncontrolled and sink into dangerous clandestinity.
Several meets were held, in Helsinki, Prague, Geneva, and more. US (White House, Pentagon, State Dpt, +) and Russia, plus experts, plus UN SC. (See for ex. the Daily Beast, reportedly has some news about that. didn’t read. no link.)
Reportedly Rose Gottemoeller (wiki) was a leader and indefatigable. The US could not scotch the chem weapons alone (without huge amounts of boots on the ground), so collaborated with the Russians, as they are known for following intl. treaties. Russia hesitated but then decided to join. Reportedly, the meetings were acrid and violent in speech, yet an agreement was reached.
— From Swiss press, news, etc. (paywalls..) I don’t necessarily adhere to this tale in its details. Nevertheless, it goes some way to explaining why Obama denied previous ‘alleged’ chem attacks in Syria (see my post) and then seemingly ‘caved’ to Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Gottemoeller
Rose G. is to play a role in NATO ?? .. (Bloomberg): http://bv.ms/1P5NcOo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_C._Weber

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 12 2016 19:44 utc | 125

Noirette @125:

… some news emerged today.

Link?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12 2016 21:58 utc | 126

Obama is one of America’s worst presidents. A war monger and killer without a conscience responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands and displacement of millions from their homes and countries. How he can sleep at night is a mystery unless he has no conscience. He is a silver tongued devil but beneath the words lies a heart of stone, blood tinged talons and teeth. He is also one of the most corrupt presidents in history rivaling Pierce who stole the White House silver to pay off his gambling debts. Obama and the banksters who have brought America nearly to its knees bankrupt while sowing war with Russia that may end with nuclear exchange and extinction of humans on planet earth, He has also deprived Americans of their constitutional rights, promoted illegal spying and manipulation of the news through spy agencies. All in all a disastrous 8 years capped by the TTP which will deprive Americans of more rights to redress. This government is out of control and the 2 party system needs to be dumped into the garbage heap having outlived its usefulness decades ago.

Posted by: Steve Redmond | Mar 12 2016 22:26 utc | 127

Obama is a great guy.he sent usaid to Ethiopia to help with the drought.

Posted by: mcohen | Mar 12 2016 23:04 utc | 128


The puerile anti-American echo here that you are promoting and pandering to is that America does nothing right, but Russia, China, Iran, NoKo do nothing wrong. I think a more productive approach is to dissect them all objectively.

Posted by: Denis | Mar 12, 2016 11:17:43 AM | 122

…dissect them all objectively?
Like you did @ #98 … say an argument has broken down and then prance off in the opposite direction, inventing imaginary scenarios as you fade into the background?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 13 2016 0:45 utc | 129

dennis 122
if u still dont know jp [ecs], ph are non sovereign murkkan poodles what’r u doing here anyway ?
tw ?
roflmao !
the kmt was the original author of the scs claim, but thats aok with uncle sham cuz its another murkkan lapdog, its after the *chicoms* took over china that the same claim became unacceptable !
when did the snake has any *principle* ?
show me ONE instance the snake did something RIGHT ?
did brunei, malaysia, protest china’s *expansion* into the scs [sic], thats news to me, !
vn endorsed china’s claim but once the chinese helped it kicked out the murkkan invaders,
hanoi turned around and grabbed some isles.
u ought to brush up a bit on your history i guess.
hehehehe
moral of the story, out of all the claimants, indon, malaysia, brunei, vn, ph, jp, the two most vociferous antagonists jp, ph *happen* to be murkkan lapdogs !
what does the ian fleming’s fundamental law of probability says ?
*once an accident, twice could be coincidence, thrice……enemy actions * !

Posted by: denk | Mar 13 2016 1:31 utc | 130


The only thing good about the political class perhaps, is that on the whole they keep the rest of us moving, while simultaneously holding back a better future. Without their class, however, perhaps we would propegate unimpeded and run out of food supplies.
Posted by: Geoff | Mar 11, 2016 1:56:01 PM | 106

Long shot/ food for thought…
‘Geoff’ or Jefferey?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 13 2016 1:52 utc | 131

Jack Rabbit 126 — this is the longest best article i could find
http://www.letemps.ch/monde/2016/03/11/negociations-secretes-brisent-un-mythe
in French and behind a paywall. i’m not sure what screen you will get? i hope
you can see it.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 13 2016 10:58 utc | 132

Hi Hoarsewhisperer,
Geoff is fine, Geoffrey is like Chaucer. generally I like to sit quietly here paying attention, until the audacity of dishonesty being examined overwhelms me, then I like to point out softly what seems rather obvious, or to suggest it without kicking up a fuss, and I’d maintain my composure here.
However, ALberto criticized me about my last comment in the next post, “Geoff, This is the type of dystopian logic that is utilized at West Point and other War Colleges that allows them to Manchurian Candidate drone pilots so they can mass murder brown people without blinking an eye.” To which I would like to respond, “just what I was suggesting!”
Although there but for the grace of god I too would execute these policies, were I born in the Bush household, By that twist of fate, perhaps they would have been mine. However, I was not. For which I am thankful!
I would like to suggest that Obama keeps a little bit of framed handiwork in his office, where every day he strives to cement his greatness in history, like many an American not satisfied with their lot, which no doubt reads, “exterminare the brutes.” This is done for the most part, “over there, with our bastards,” so that it doesn’t have to happen here, Where there is a well oiled machine to do the same sort of thing.
Perhaps Eicke is correct in that these are alien reptiles. Perhaps, though, they were reptiles in their last lifetime reincarnated so that through arduous experience they might become more human? I wouldn’t know. . .

Posted by: Geoff | Mar 13 2016 14:39 utc | 133

@Noirette
Thanks.
I am skeptical of the “working with the Russians” narrative.
Kerry’s response to a reporter’s question on the eve of bombing and the lukewarm reaction to the Russian proposal after that (including Kerry’s attempt to walk back his non-offer), indicates that there was no serious effort underway at the time to rid Assad of his chemical weapons.

Monday’s drama began when Kerry, after a meeting with British Foreign Secretary William Hague, was asked by a reporter how military strikes on Syria might be averted.
Kerry said that Assad “could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week …. But he isn’t about to do it, and it can’t be done.”

Oh, the issue of the security of Assad’s chemical weapons may well have been raised prior to Kerry’s statement. But I don’t believe that anyone in the Obama Administration expected – or welcomed – a deal that would avert bombing.
They really DID want to bomb. It was an essential part of the strategy. ME allies were pissed that USA didn’t do so. From their perspective, NOT bombing prolonged the war and allowed for Russian intervention later.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 13 2016 16:34 utc | 134

More Whitewashing
See the battle over mentioning Benghazi in Obama’s Wikipedia profile.
Declassified Documents Ordered CIA to Train ISIS (ht ben):

The documents obtained by Judicial Watch also provide the first official documentation that the Obama administration was well aware that weapons were being shipped from Benghazi to rebel troops — including members from ISIS, the Al-Nusra Front and other Islamist terror groups — in Syria.… The deadly and shocking attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission that saw four Americans — including a U.S. ambassador — slaughtered by jihadists occurred just weeks after the weapons shipment. [emphasis is mine.]

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 3 2016 17:35 utc | 135