Libya - Tribes, Militia, Interests And Intervention - by Richard Galustian
Galustian discusses the situation on the ground in Libya, the details of the various local groups and interests involved and the continuing and coming international interference in Libya. He analyses possible alternative steps forward. His thoughts on the subject are based on his extensive on-the-ground knowledge of the tribes and militias of Libya. This presents a unique insight into the most complex labyrinth of inter-connected Libyan and foreign interests.
Libya - Tribes, Militia, Interests And Intervention
by Richard Galustian
2 Tobruk (HoR) Government Forces
3 'Libya Dawn'
4 Prospect of a Divided Country
5 Deployment of International Military Forces
6 Divisions among Outside Powers
7 Military Training
8 Other Factors
Conclusion
Map of Libya, Oil and gas locations
Posted by b on March 29, 2016 at 14:17 UTC | Permalink
Great article. Though it didn't take a long time security analyst/expert on the region to figure out much of this would occur once ZATO helped remove Gaddhafi.
What's next, another strongman where democracy has failed?
Posted by: farflungstar | Mar 29 2016 14:24 utc | 2
Interesting, but I do not understand how the IS - if not destroyed by another western military adventure - would possibly be able to destroy the EU (which by the way is bound in a selfdestroying effort since some years by the way), as Galustian claims.
Posted by: Pnyx | Mar 29 2016 15:36 utc | 3
@Pnyx
Infiltration through the "refugee trail" across the Mediterranean. Following that north-Europe would close all borders to south-Europe. The political infighting in Europe would grow even bigger and the EU would eventually fall apart.
I can clearly see that happening unless we get some more realistic politicians than the current crop.
Sorry b, but this is far right propaganda bullshit. The EU is not falling apart because of some handy terrorists, the problems are home made. The Paris / Brussels-cell's members nationalities are mainly french and belgian. The neolib evolution of the last decades drives the populations of the european countries to the right. Rightish nonsense is accepteble now even in so called left parties. This momentum brings back ugly nationalism which tears apart the very foundations of the european project. There is no IS needed for this. And - to return to the topic - there is no immaginable reason for another military intervention. Patroling the med and close down air routes to Libya is enough to stop the threat.
Posted by: Pnyx | Mar 29 2016 16:40 utc | 5
Nice article but we have to accept that it has a pro eastern bias. The legitimacy of the elections that the writer more or less accepts, is highly contested. And even that is an understatement. 1.4million voters on the first elections, 600k on the second are not exactly a guide to legitimacy, even by our really lean western standards
Posted by: Waste | Mar 29 2016 16:56 utc | 6
Pynx says:
there is no immaginable reason for another military intervention
which means what?
the situation sounds pretty optimal for propagating the isis threat, to me. western intelligence has been on the ground for months, ratlines to ports and desert airstrips are humming, the media is sufficiently muted, that argus-eyed behemoth tooling around in the sky is watching it all..
something'll blow...
Posted by: john | Mar 29 2016 17:06 utc | 7
the usa/wests agenda of getting rid of gadaffi and the result of destroying libya on so many levels is depressing.. i find it impossible to take anything from the whole lot of western leaders seriously...
regarding ISIS. sorry b - i read this article, but i want to know when the west are going to go after the fucked up religious cult that condones suicide terrorists emanating from saudi arabia and being embedded in the madrasas and mosques around the world? going after ISIS without going after this sick ideology that is suicide bombers and murderers is an endless battle until this is addressed..
Posted by: james | Mar 29 2016 17:26 utc | 8
What are the western propaganda cooking up now?
Kremlin: Propaganda will be launched at Russia coming days, weeks
https://www.rt.com/politics/337450-putins-spokesman-warns-of-fresh/
Posted by: Scuttle | Mar 29 2016 18:08 utc | 9
Glad pynx called out b on his bs. Europe's divisions is long standing and its issues are far larger than the tiny threat of islamic extremists/ terrorists. Islamic extremists is the pretext to cover up all other crimes/class warfare and other problems, and to also establish greater authoritarianism across Europe. As well as the power games between states.
As is the trigger is the cause.
Posted by: tom | Mar 29 2016 19:19 utc | 10
Sorry b, but this is far right propaganda bullshit.
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Posted by: Pnyx | Mar 29, 2016 12:40:15 PM | 5
You read my mind!
It's a sales pitch for Western Intervention of the redux variety. Let's not forget that The West didn't care at all about Libya, or Libyans, when ZATO decided to bomb the entire (prosperous, well-governed) country back to the Stone Age. And now they care? As the Lady in Pygmalion said "Not bloody likely!"
I've got a huge problem with this piece of fanciful glib-erish:
On March 14 Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said any western military intervention in Libya must have UN Security Council approval. Legally speaking the move is unnecessary as UNSC Resolution 1970 from 2011 remains in force.
That cannot possibly be true. The Resolution was flouted and that fact alone makes it redundant via the simple test of how loosely, and blithely, it was able to be mis-interpreted by the flouters.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 29 2016 19:19 utc | 11
Posted by: tom | Mar 29, 2016 3:19:10 PM | 10
Oops! How come you're Shooting The Messenger?
(It's Galustian's bullshite, not b's)
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 29 2016 20:26 utc | 12
I just want to say that HoR is an appropriate acronym for any House of Reprehensibles, but is especially clever in Libya where this "representative body" was assembled by NATO (read CIA).
Posted by: fast freddy | Mar 29 2016 21:50 utc | 13
It's UNSC resolution 1973 and not UNSC resolution 1970 that was used as justification for military intervention in Libya. and it would be a real stretch to use UNSCR1973 to justify further military action, but Hillary Clinton might disagree.
Posted by: blowback | Mar 29 2016 21:59 utc | 14
I predict a Libyan passport will be found post-gunfight, reasonably close to the crime scene, in an as yet undesignated European capital. (Possibly Brussels again, for the symbolism of it all.)
That ought to get some NATO skin back in the Libyan theatre.
Reckless usage of austerity measures at exactly the wrong time are to be the true culprit of European disintegration. Governments are meant to be loosen the fiscal shackles in times of economic hardship. And therein, lay the reason why the EU was always destined to fail - it was poorly conceived - eurozone economies do not have enough control of their destiny at a time when they must. Goldman Sachs hedging bets against you failing as a sovereign entity doesn't help either.
Posted by: MadMax2 | Mar 29 2016 22:13 utc | 15
EU was a trap. Countries involved should break away before further damage can be done. That City of London, one of the instigators, declined to join should be fair warning that it is a trap. Greece is simply the first to "collapse".
Posted by: fast freddy | Mar 29 2016 22:40 utc | 16
James at 8 has a valid point, that going after IS is useless, unless you get to the root of the problem, the radicals in SA, which serve the interests of U$A/NATO/Empire. The UN is a vehicle that also serves the same interests. Global hegemony is the goal. In chaos they trust.
Posted by: ben | Mar 29 2016 22:50 utc | 17
See what the Russians say. The GNA seems so obviously a smash and grab on Libyan oil and that on its face seems enough to condemn the present plan to hell. The alternative to the invasion from Tunisia is direct intervention and takeover by US/EU/NATO? And then handover to whom? The GNA is all I see on the horizon. The author keeps touting the democratically elected HoRs, but the US/EU/NATO don't like them ... because backing them would mean that they and not the offshore GNA would control Libyan oil. Right? See what the Russians say. They've done honorably well in Syria, so far.
Posted by: jfl | Mar 29 2016 22:56 utc | 18
jfl 18
The Kerry Kohn et al, talks in Russia likely pertain to divying up the spoils as it were. Not only Syrian current circumstances wrt Assad and Daesh (IS or whatever name change they wish to impose to confuse the masses), BUT all that sweet crude in Libya and the money in the vault. Thar's gold in them hills.
Posted by: fast freddy | Mar 29 2016 23:35 utc | 19
It's UNSC resolution 1973 and not UNSC resolution 1970 that was used as justification for military intervention in Libya. and it would be a real stretch to use UNSCR1973 to justify further military action, but Hillary Clinton might disagree.
Posted by: blowback | Mar 29, 2016 5:59:55 PM | 14
Thanks for the heads up. You're right. I confused them. NOW that I've taken my own advice and looked them up, it would seem that they're both redundant and were both violated by the flouters. The subjects of USNC 1970, Gaddafi and arms embargo, are no longer relevant. The point I thought I was making, but didn't, was that Russia seems to desire new resolutions for the new situation = no sly recycling of loosely framed resolutions based on hysteria and lies.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 30 2016 3:39 utc | 20
Ok. I read all of the above. It seems to me that the article b posted has some relevance to the situation. And, for what it is worth, b's request that we stay on topic only caused the various factions who come to this site to take swipes at b , then defend him, try to bring in the Russians as some sort of evil empire, then accuse each other of all sorts of venal acts/thoughts. The bottom line is that Libya is another failed state ... brought on by the current administration via one of the current batch of alleged presidential timber. (God help the fool that tries to build anything of such rotten timber.)
John Pilger, in Counterpunch, wrote an article ("Trump and Clinton: Censoring the Unpalatable")
that speaks to the censorship of the liberal (ie pro-Clinton oligarchy) that speaks volumes about our sources of information and their biases. To turn 'Moon of Alabama' as a battlefield for various points of view would be a crime. We (and that includes me) need to stay on topic and not act as though we've taken the banner line so seriously that this site becomes little more than a bar room
brawl.
Posted by: rg the lg | Mar 30 2016 6:51 utc | 21
I have commented before and was criticized/supported for the assertion that Gaddafi was killed for trying to sell oil in other than US dollars. Libya is just another poker in the fire for the global plutocrats that control private finance. Just another poker in the fire like the Ukraine, Greece, Syria, Turkey, Russia, China, all of South America, etc.
We can fiddle around for another couple of centuries if we don't go extinct wondering how to effectively change our form of social organization for the better. Or we could eliminate private finance and all the oligarchs, plutocrats, and their suck ups by neutering inheritance.
Dial twiddling a solution in the ME is a fools errand without confronting the core components of our form of social organization that has us trying to kill each other like we are doing.
Listen to Disturbed doing Sound of Silence by Simon And Garfunkel a few times loud....it feels good to this 67 year old.
We need to KILL the Gawd of Mammon and its instantiation called private finance!!!
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 30 2016 7:25 utc | 22
psychohistorian | Mar 30, 2016 3:25:36 AM | 22
This 71 yo heartily agrees with your post. Cheers
Posted by: V. Arnold | Mar 30 2016 7:42 utc | 23
For what its worth:
What is interesting is in the creation of large states, those with resources of both economic and population needed to sustain the viable national state, it is necessary to make a bloody finis to the competition for dominance within, to control, and direct subordinate interests. The modern era (~15th Century) saw the rise of the stable King, Aristocratic relationship beginning with the Spanish Reconquest of Iberian peninsula by the Castillian/Aragon (shared) crown, supported by more localised warlords which became the aristocracy of Spain. Those who might offer resistance were either exterminated, expelled or forced into compliance. In a nutshell this (with variations) has been the way of the world.
What those who would destroy the modern state fail to understand is once that political state has been disassembled to its roots, the same process will have to be played through to organically replace the vacuum created. It cannot be imposed from either the outside or from above by imposed power, to do or assume one can is the height of stupidity (and arrogant hubris). When the cultural and social institutions are destroyed as well, the problem of reconstructing a viable state is many magnitudes greater than what would be needed to rebuild the political state. The conservative mindset that has been the motivating force behind the destruction of modern states does not self correct - ever; that is the nature of that beast. The wind has been sown, prepare for the whirlwinds to come.
Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Mar 30 2016 8:24 utc | 24
psychohistorian, not sure would have argued with that, Oil priced and sold for USD is a red line, that and the 1,000;s of Russian and Chinese workers on various projects, the massive project to extract (fossil) water from under the desert and send it to the coastal cities (not necessarily the best thing from a sustainability perspective). Soft housing loans for newlyweds (when you control your own central bank and back your own printed money with Gold and oil you can do things like that) and anyone wanting to farm was given one. Now all of these things may not be true but reporters like Webster Tarpley were saying this. What was done to Lybia is up there with .... (I was going to make some comparisons but it's a long long list)
Posted by: Nobody | Mar 30 2016 13:04 utc | 25
Ayesha Gaddafi as a new leader of the resistance against NATO ...
Hildabeast emails re Libya expose Libya agenda ...
http://ellenbrown.com/2016/03/13/exposing-the-libyan-agenda-a-closer-look-at-hillarys-emails/
Posted by: ALberto | Mar 30 2016 13:32 utc | 26
FWIW. This piece by Richard Galustian is what I'd refer to as a 'Lay of the Land' document. Just about any big policy or campaign issue starts with such a detailed piece of work by someone who has made it his/her business to delve into the intricacies of a particular policy issue, study said issue who then takes all of that knowledge, with supporting material, and succinctly lays it out for his intended audience who is typically a wonk or a hack.
The doc serves as a starting point for more intense discussion by the principal players responsible or tasked with laying out strategy to achieve whatever goals/objectives are at hand.
Given the fact, at least for me, that Libya has fallen into a dark hole, having such a document helps me understand who the players are on the ground and what it is they are striving to achieve. This kind of detailed work is most appreciated.
And while staying on topic, might someone take a look at this piece by Phil Butler titled "The Hidden Purpose of ISIL: A New King of Libya" http://journal-neo.org/2016/03/23/the-hidden-purpose-of-isil-a-new-king-of-libya/ and suggest how it may fit into Galustian's work above.
Head of UN-backed unity government arrives in Libyan capital
TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — The head of a U.N.-brokered Libyan unity government arrived in the capital by sea Wednesday with six deputies to set up a temporary seat of power in a naval base despite threats from competing factions.
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Fayez Serraj sailed in from neighboring Tunisia aboard a Libyan vessel, according to the unity government's website, which denied reports that the officials had been brought in aboard an Italian ship.
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The six deputies are members of the Presidential Council, which was established based on a U.N.-mediated deal signed by splintered groups from the two governments last year. The council formed the new unity government headed by Serraj.
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But even with international support, Serraj faces a daunting array of challenges, and could struggle to impose his will on the Central Bank, the state-run oil company and other institutions.He is also at risk of being attacked or besieged in his base by rival militias. He is being guarded by battle-hardened militias from the city of Misrata, which saw fierce fighting during the uprising five years ago.
No word in the AP piece of the two existing governments, one actually internationally recognized, that have denied any legitimacy to this third, UN imposed government.
Any bets on how long these clowns will survive?
psychoh @ 22: "We need to KILL the Gawd of Mammon and its instantiation called private finance!!!"
True, how true. However, that begs the question...How does humanity achieve that end?
Libya joins a very long list of failed states, that, because they chose to challenge the global cabal status quo, had to be destroyed. Until the people of the present empire awaken, nothing can change. It must begin here, in the U$A, the epicenter of the evil empire. Not a small task.
Posted by: ben | Mar 30 2016 14:51 utc | 29
Gee, I dunno b. Considering your background, if you say Galustian's perspective is useful to you, then no-one can argue with that. But it sounds (to me) like a very long-winded attempt to create confusion and induce feelings of helplessness in order to encourage his audience to put the whole effing mess in the "too hard" basket. It's worst flaw is that he attributes equal ranking to the veritable multitude of Tribes, Militia's and Interests. However, in real life, there are always a couple of major players and a noisy but useless Peanut Gallery of Wannabes, of indeterminate quantity and quality.
One potential solution would be for Russia to "retrieve" Saif Gaddafi and give him a voice (to talk about the Good Old Days). That would ease most of the confusion among Libyans and, at the very least, unite Libya sufficiently to make elections with a plausible turnout viable - and piss FRUKUS off Til The End of Time. The UN needs a good (de-Yankifying) shake-up too but that's probably a much bigger job than getting Libya Back to the Future.
Btw, I've skimmed Butler's piece and, despite the dramatic headline, he seems to think that Libyans should decide what's best for Libya.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 30 2016 15:07 utc | 30
@Hoarsewhisperer
" It's worst flaw is that he attributes equal ranking to the veritable multitude of Tribes, Militia's and Interests."
Does he? I read the piece differently. What is important is to find and acknowledge possible spoilers of any settlement. All these groups mentioned in the piece are such. No need to "rank" them (with what criteria?) There are many more (smaller) groups not mentioned in it.
Also: If you think that the Islamists and their foreign supporters (Qatar, U.S., France, Turkey) would somehow get behind a naive like Saif Ghaddafi you are thoroughly mistaken.
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What I find rather obscene is the fact that the UN lauded the election that created the Tobruk government but now shuns that government because some idiots had the idea to create a new unelected one.
There is zero consistency in that move and will damage the UN credibility for any further work in Libya.
Posted by: b | Mar 30, 2016 12:58:08 PM | 31
"Does he? I read the piece differently.What is important is to find and acknowledge possible spoilers of any settlement. All these groups mentioned in the piece are such. No need to "rank" them (with what criteria?) There are many more (smaller) groups not mentioned in it."
1. I acknowledge your experience and expertise but am uncomfortable with the logic of that statement because Galustian does not come across as impartial.
2. (with what criteria?) Aspirations for Libya's future. But Galustian didn't mention that (native) demographic.
"Also: If you think that the Islamists and their foreign supporters (Qatar, U.S., France, Turkey) would somehow get behind a naive like Saif Ghaddafi you are thoroughly mistaken."
Keeping in mind that it's just a suggestion (the first and only)
1. No. I think/hope that it would make them go ballistic and insane(er). The only entities who have to like Saif are (pre-election) Libyans.
2. Without any research at all, I assume that what I've heard about Saif is wrong and part of the West's smear campaign - purely on the basis of a short clip of him protesting what was happening in 2011. He impressed me as intelligent, coherent and brave. But if he's as bad as you know him to be then my idea is a lousy one.
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We are in furious agreement on the UN/obscenity angle.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 30 2016 18:17 utc | 32
h @27
Thanks for the interesting link about the possible return of a 'legitimate' king (aka strongman*) to Libya. The AngloZionists have also been working on returning the Romanovs to Russia, presumably as 'king' (and acceptable strongman).
* - I use 'strongman' to indicate that the west would allow these people to do whatever (even 'killing their own people') as long as it furthered AngloZionist interests.
Posted by: Yonatan | Mar 30 2016 18:52 utc | 33
The author misses a fourth option. The existing internationally recognized government could invite Russia in to sort the mess out. If I was leader of HoR, I would do it just for the lulz.
Posted by: Yonatan | Mar 30 2016 18:55 utc | 34
Correction to a closing sentence in my #32.
But if he's as bad as you know him to be, and Libyans wouldn't embrace him, then my idea is a lousy one.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 30 2016 19:17 utc | 35
@27 b
I agree with all you say here. I know very little about the political factions in Libya and this article lays it all out. I think you're correct in noting that, thankfully, the author didn't attempt prognosis ... until the very end, when he seemed to call on the US/NATO 'anti-ISIS' bandwagon to go to work. And that afterthought on his part, coming at the end, overshadowed all his work up until that point. I'm going to go back and reread the whole thing again, and - now that I'm more familiar with the various factions - try this time to concentrate more on their interconnections, and on the personalities involved. I think the situation is very much driven by personalities, and that below their 'leadership' things are very fluid. As the author points out.
Not mentioned is that someone's trying to rally Libyans around Gadaffi's daughter. Do you know who that is? and what chances that has of failure/success?
Thanks very much for this very interesting and for me very enlightening document.
Posted by: jfl | Mar 30 2016 20:00 utc | 36
...eradicate ISIS in Libya, which some Pentagon sources privately say is possible within as little as a two week period
don't you just love this shit? oh, the possibilities......
....15 years of GWOT, trillions of dollars flushed, incalculable amounts of death and destruction, entire nations shattered, populations in exodus.........
but,
inside sources privately say that if cinderella had had a better sense of timing she would have made it home before her coach turned into a pumpkin.
Posted by: john | Mar 30 2016 20:22 utc | 37
From Matthew Lee at UNSC ( poor chap, he can't perform his job as required sinc ehis eviction for telling the truth)
"The United States welcomes the Libyan Presidency Council’s arrival in Tripoli on March 30. The Libyan people, supported by the United States and our partners in the international community, have worked toward this moment for nearly two years. The Government of National Accord can now begin the crucial work of addressing the full range of Libya’s political, security, economic, and humanitarian challenges.
Posted by: Yul | Mar 30 2016 21:05 utc | 38
An outside govt of exiles is doomed to fail like it did in Iraq and Syria. The UN has no right to do this. It is irresponsible. Meanwhile the two militia supported govts are a bit divided within while other militias move about. As to making a country a basket case and not a threat to any other (or uniting regions/peoples), it has been Mission Accomplished by Hillary and her ilk. But I have to admit it looks like the outsiders (US/NATO) are looking for an excuse to destroy some more. And ISIS provides .....
Posted by: Curtis | Mar 30 2016 23:44 utc | 39
Having reread the article, I still think along the lines @19 above. The people and countries behind this Libya Political Agreement (LPA) and Government of National Accord (GNA) are nothing more than criminal privateers, and the UN is their tool, their plaything. I absolutely agree with Curtis @39 that the UN is now just whorish rubber stamp on the US' decisions.
Thanks for giving us the article and exposing this skullduggery b.
Posted by: jfl | Mar 31 2016 0:04 utc | 40
Which of the groups are related to the 'green resistance?' Should we assume the ex army groups are the best of the bunch, for a future unified state, or something at least a bit like the former Libya?
Posted by: Cresty | Mar 31 2016 2:29 utc | 41
Now learned that it wasn't really the UN imposed government that "landed" in Tripoli but 6 members of the "Presidential Council" with whatever function. The landed at a Navy base and are protected by some mercenaries from Misurata. There were gunfights last night between these and Islamists in Tripoli.
But here is now what its all really about $67 billion:
Libya requests U.N. sanctions exemption for sovereign wealth fund
Libya is asking the U.N. Security Council to approve a sanctions exemption for its blacklisted sovereign wealth fund to halt billion-dollar losses caused by ineffective management of frozen assets, according to a letter released on Wednesday.The letter from Libya's ambassador to the United Nations, Ibrahim Dabbashi, said the losses incurred at the Libyan Investment Authority (LIA) are the result of U.N. sanctions imposed in 2011 to prevent the government of former leader Muammar Gaddafi from spiriting away the country's wealth.
"The LIA estimates that in 2014 alone, instead of increasing the value of its assets base, it had real losses of $721 million," Dabbashi said.
"Furthermore, it lost an additional $1.6 billion to $2.3 billion in what would have been returns on investment if its assets had been properly invested in conservative investments with competitive interest rates," he told the 15-nation council.
Dabbashi told Reuters that the LIA has roughly $67 billion in total assets.
The Reuters author (known dissembler Louis Charbonneau) does not say exactly WHICH Libyan government (or other government) told the Libyan UN ambassador to write that letter though he seems he imply the UN imposed one.
GoldmanSachs and other big money houses would love to control that fund ...
@42 b
From Richard Galustian's conclusion
The Government of National Accord (GNA) is built around the Libya Political Agreement (LPA). This calls for a prime minister, Fayez Seraj, a low profile Tripoli politician and businessman to rule as part of a 9 strong presidential council. None chosen by Libyans but by the UN!There is further controversy because the heads of all three key state institutions the
- Central Bank of Libya (CBL),
- National Oil Corporation (NOC) and
- Libya Investment Authority (LIA)were replaced by Tobruk in late 2014.
The chairmen of the 3 institutions above, run now by the Islamist General National Congress (GNC) - the parliament replaced by the elected House of Representatives (HoR), now in Tubruk - refused to stand down when the new elected government replaced them then, and are again refusing to stand down now when the US/EU/UN are trying their own smash and grab. That's all it is.
This is the problem of using US dollars as a store of wealth. The money is never really yours. It's all in reserve accounts with the fed in the US, and the criminal US government will just steal when it needs it : 'sanctions'. If you're lucky Trump will turn out his elephant pockets and 'negotiate' a deal ... loan you your own money back. The EU/UN rubber stamp the theft. The USA runs the UN, the EU goes along with the US ... they are the 'International Community'. Not at all unlike the Aristocratic family of comedic renown. All the world's nations need to get the memo : D-I-V-E-S-T yourselves of US dollars. Russia and China are doing so. Iran is, too. Libya and Iraq and Syria should follow the leaders. Everyone should. Leave the GCC and the Saudis holding the bag.
As soon as interest rates begin to rise in the wake of the rush to the door ... well, what's 5 or 6% of 18 trillion dollars? That's a trillion a year in interest. That realization ought to push interest on federal paper into double digits. US federal government junk bonds.
The US/EU/UN have been reduced to an ongoing Criminal Enterprise, desperately delaying the day of reckoning. That's the best they can do. They know they're going down.
Posted by: jfl | Mar 31 2016 12:42 utc | 43
@ b
Hasn't GS already screwed Libya? ( a bit like they did with Greece)
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2011/may/31/goldman-sachs-libya-investment
Posted by: Yul | Mar 31 2016 12:47 utc | 44
It is not only the Libyan Investment Authority (LIA) the UN selected government wants to grab immediately but now also the central bank accounts.
Libya’s Unity Government Defies Air Blockade to Reach Tripoli
Diplomats and United Nations officials said they believed that a majority of the city’s militias supported the new administration, but acknowledged that alliances were constantly shifting. It is also unclear whether the third rival government, based in the eastern city of Tobruk, will yield to the unity government’s authority.Money is likely to play a role in back-room negotiations. The unity government has been in talks with the Libyan Central Bank, which controls the country’s foreign reserves, estimated at about $85 billion.
It hopes that by controlling the country’s purse strings, it can persuade recalcitrant militia leaders in Tripoli to accept, or at least not attack, the unity government.
Expect there to be "no money left" a year from now. After that the IMF and the World Bank will "help" with further robbery.
IMHO Russia needs to support the Gaddafis. They are the only entity that can reunite Libya.. That is why they will be fought against and persecuted by the West, who probably want a servile oil fiefdom
Posted by: aaaa | Mar 31 2016 18:57 utc | 46
b & jfl,
Thanks for the "follow the money" update. Private finance again is the culprit led by those global plutocrat families.
People ask how we get to eliminating private finance and neutering inheritance globally. I believe you get there through education of the masses that reaches a tipping point.
The points to make
Government is not the problem except that it is currently owned by the global plutocrat families
Finance is a defined public utility and is currently owned privately (global plutocrat families again) and should be nationalized globally.
Inheritance needs to be neutered globally so none can accumulate enough to effect social policy.
All arguments that folks make about our problems need to identify those at the top of the heap that are controlling our lives as the source of our problems.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 1 2016 2:22 utc | 47
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People ask how we get to eliminating private finance and neutering inheritance globally. I believe you get there through education of the masses that reaches a tipping point.
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Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 31, 2016 10:22:19 PM | 47
Education is a voluntary process and is usually more successful when sought than when imposed. So until someone identifies one, or two tangible, quantifiable advantages of public vs private finance, and invents a clever way to arouse curiosity in them, interest will remain low...
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 1 2016 4:24 utc | 48
Hoarsewhisperer @48
The tangible benefits are another part of the education needed. One of the current myths is that the private sector can do things better and cheaper than government in spite of the greed factor. Since the MSM is designed to sell the myths of private = good, government = bad, one has to become part of the shift away from said media and participate in alternative media, such as MoA.
Another myth that exists is that global finance is a healthy mix of sovereign and private. Nations rise and fall and they all need finance which has been controlled globally by private banks and intra nation structures for centuries. Read William Greider's "Secrets of the Temple" about the Fed as substantiation of my position that Western global finance is, for all intents and purposes, privately controlled. Extrapolate the Fed to The City of London and you see the private thread of finance through another empire rise and fall.
I will work on the clever idea to arouse curiosity angle, thanks.....grin
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 1 2016 4:49 utc | 49
@47 psycho
Thanks for the 4 point program. I think there is little disagreement between (all of) us. It's just a matter of slightly differing perspectives ...
The points to make (according to me)
- Government is not the problem, in fact it is the corporate organization over which we have the most control, if we can engage and seize control of it. [1]- Government is currently under the control not of the people but of the financial sector, and the military industrial sector to a lessor extent. Essentially money power must be divorced from political power.
- All arguments that folks make about our problems need to identify the sorted, hierarchic order of our human heap, and money, economic power, is the imposer of that iniquitous order in our lives, the source of our problems.
- Finance needs to be defined as a public utility, but is currently 'privately owned', so must be put under peoples' control globally.
[1] I like to use the word seize because it fits, I don't mean violently, because that's fighting along a dimension that is the strong point of the minority in control, and so a loser for us, the majority. I mean along the organizational dimension : we are many and they are few. We can take control of our affairs by organizing and 'just doing it'. At least in the USA. It's a matter of the will to change, or lack of it, presently.
I see things more in need of a structural solution ... not so much an abstract solution, although the 'rule or law' is the foundation of change, but as in the living structure we need to create of ourselves : which structure will collectively define just how we want things to work and to enact our solutions.
@42 b
GoldmanSachs and other big money houses would love to control that fund …
No Doubt. Goldman Sach and its ilk will probably have a place at the table as financial advisors. After all, GS developed the model for ripping off the LIA, as it did in 2006-09. First you mesmerize the financially illiterate LIA officials with GS’s financial genius. Mix in lavish parties with “heavy drinking and girls” and other corporate hospitality .Then throw in a few perks such as freebie trips to Morocco and London, a highly prized internship for an official’s relative, etc. And presto - $1.2 billion of LIA money disappears in the murky world of financial derivatives. So its just a matter of rinse and repeat. After all, why bother with the expense of actually providing tangible goods when you can just make the money …vanish.
Goldman Sachs Lost 98% of Libya's $1.3B Sovereign Wealth Fund Investment
http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/afontevecchia/2011/05/31/goldman-sachs-lost-98-of-libyas-1-3b-sovereign-wealth-fund-investment/#34b30245739c
note: The French financial giant, Societe Generale is also being sued by the Libyan Investment Authority for $1.5 billion..
Posted by: pantaraxia | Apr 1 2016 7:21 utc | 51
EU sets sanctions, mulls security mission to back Libya unity government
The three men sanctioned are Nouri Abusahmain, president of Libya's General National Congress in Tripoli, Khalifa al-Ghwell, prime minister of the self-proclaimed Tripoli government, and Aguila Saleh, the president of Libya's internationally recognized parliament in Tobruk.
The meddling begins. The sheer gall of these EU bastards!
I don't want to see anyone killed, but these UN installed poseurs need to be out of the country.
US, NATO preparing new air and ground attacks against Libya
The US and NATO are considering another round of military attacks against Libya, US President Barack Obama told media outside the White House on Monday.Obama gave a convoluted statement to the effect that operations in Libya are in advanced stages of planning. “We are continuing to cooperate on an ongoing basis about operations potentially in areas like Libya where you have the beginnings of a government,” he said after meeting with NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg at the White House.
“We can I think provide enormous help in helping to stabilize those countries,” Obama added. “This is obviously a tumultuous time in the world. Europe is a focal point of a lot of these stresses and strains in the global security system,” Obama said.
As yet there are still no “concrete military commitments” to support the NATO-backed governing alliance, according to the Post .
Nonetheless, there are clear signs that the US military is committed to deeper US ground involvement in Libya as part of stepped up US special operations throughout Africa. Libya is only one of a handful of African hotspots where the US is preparing “unique special operations solutions,” US Army General Tony Thomas told Congress in March. Following a hypothetical seizure of Tripoli, US commandos will link up with militant forces already active in the area, recruiting them as allies of the fledgling unity government, Thomas said.
Posted by: jfl | Apr 5 2016 13:00 utc | 53
Libya unity government bolsters control despite setback
In a sign of its widening influence, the UN-sponsored administration of prime minister-designate Fayez al-Sarraj took over the website of the unrecognised Tripoli authorities on Thursday.The site now bears the logo of the unity government, and the names of [rump GNC, Libyab Dawn, NSG prime minister] Ghweil's cabinet have been replaced by those of a presidential council created [by the UN, independently of the Libyans, outside of Libya] under a power-sharing deal in December.
That agreement was inked by some lawmakers from both sides but not endorsed by the country's two rival governments.
[A] call by Tripoli's unrecognised prime minister Khalifa Ghweil on Wednesday for his ministers not to cede power, contradicting an earlier announcement, highlighted the still-chaotic situation.
The reason behind Ghweil's apparent U-turn was unclear but it hinted at divisions within the Tripoli authorities that were installed by a militia alliance that seized the capital in 2014.
A statement issued a day earlier in the name of his so-called National Salvation Government had said that it was ready to step aside.
A politician close to the unity government said money was a key factor because some of the militiamen who brought Ghweil to power are no longer being paid by his authorities [but are now being paid by the UN?].
Sarraj's cabinet has in recent days been broadening its support, winning the backing of the National Oil Corporation, the Central Bank and the Libyan Investment Authority.
His Government of National Accord on Wednesday ordered all government "ministries and institutions and committees" to respect its authority and use its logo.
It also instructed the Central Bank and the Audit Bureau to freeze all state accounts immediately, except for salary payments to government employees.
French President Francois Hollande said Foreign Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault spoke on Thursday with Sarraj to "reaffirm our support" to his government.
Hollande told reporters at a Franco-German cabinet meeting in Metz, eastern France, that Sarraj had asked for the EU's help in efforts to combat human trafficking from Libya.
UN envoy Martin Kobler, who visited Libya this week, was due to brief the UN Security Council Thursday on his efforts to bring about a peaceful power handover.
Kobler has welcomed the Tripoli authority's willingness to hand over but cautioned that "deeds must follow words".
The AFP pushes the French line just as the BBC pushes the British. Looks as though the GNA, the UN's government in Tripoli, is spreading around the dough, trying to buy up the GNC, the former, unelected government in Tripoli, with less than complete success.
I'd guess the 'Sarraj's cabinet has in recent days been broadening its support, winning the backing of ...', means 'has not yet won'.
That 'deeds must follow words'.
The elected government in Tubruk is not mentioned.
I imagine that 'the EU's help in efforts to combat human trafficking from Libya' will entail more of the US'/EU's patented DD&D - death, devastation, and destruction for ordinary Libyans. More refugees for Europe. More terror for everyone on earth.
Posted by: jfl | Apr 8 2016 1:01 utc | 54
Western powers press ahead with plans for new war in Libya
On the night following as-Sarraj's arrival, at least one man was killed. Militias supporting the counter-government stormed the Qatar-financed broadcaster Nabaa, closing it down. Schools and public facilities remained closed.Like the US in Kabul in 2001 or Bagdad in 2003, Italy and the European Union now confront the problem of needing a militarily-secured "Green Zone" for their puppet regime in Tripoli. But to do this they only have recourse to a few forces in Libya. As the Intercept has exposed, a private mercenary outfit headed by Blackwater founder Erik Prince has already offered its services.
A Libyan military unit from Misrata has declared its support for the new government. Its fighters are in the pay of the Italian government and are protecting oil extraction facilities owned by the Italian oil company ENI in western Libya. Italy has never shut down its oil and gas extraction in Libya.
The Western powers are not choosy in their alleged fight against Islamic State, relying on other extremist Islamic forces. The criteria are not "Western values," as is typically claimed, but exclusively the willingness to collaborate with the imperialists. The militias are paid using the remains of Libya's state finances, which have sat in frozen bank accounts in Europe since the overthrow of Gaddafi.
Significantly, the list of 32 ministers in as-Sarraj's new government contains four people who are regarded as Islamic fundamentalists since they belong either to the Muslim Brotherhood or the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). The founder of the LIFG, Abdel Hakim Belhadj, is a former al-Qaida fighter and confidante of Osama bin Laden. As the blogger Angelika Gutschke revealed in the newspaper Freitag, the UN negotiator Martin Kobler met with Belhadj in Turkey to discuss the formation of a new government.
Upon his arrival in Libya, the US, the European Union, Italy, Germany, France and the UK congratulated as-Sarraj and immediately recognised his government as the "only legitimate representative of Libya". German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier expressly welcomed the "unity government". On the fringes of a meeting in Uzbekistan, he called for "all political forces in the country" to support the new government in Tripoli.
The EU has imposed sanctions against Libyan politicians like al-Ghweil for fighting against as-Sarraj, also imposing a travel ban to the EU and freezing his European bank accounts.
Following as-Sarraj’s imposition, French Foreign Minister Jean-Marc Ayraul spoke expressly in favour of an intervention: "We must be prepared to react if the unity government of Fayiz as-Sarraj asks for help, if necessary on the military front."
The Italian Foreign Minister Paolo Gentiloni demanded all those holding power in Libya to quickly recognise the new government, otherwise threatening that the "international community" would intervene with military strikes all the more rapidly. The Italian Parliamentary Speaker Laura Boldrini, a party colleague of Left Ecology Freedom’s Nichi Vendola, also did not oppose air strikes, but merely tied them to the demand that "there must be a unity government, which asks for an intervention."
Such an intervention has been in the works for more than a year. In mid-March, Italian Defence Minister Roberta Pinotti confirmed that plans for an intervention have existed for over a year. Italy would head a UN mission with up to 6,000 soldiers, which would be supported by air strikes from airbases at Trapani and Sigonella in Sicily.
Dozens of Italian Special Forces, from the military and intelligence agencies, have been active in Libya for weeks, working alongside military "specialists" from Britain, France and the US. A February 10 decision of the Italian government places the Italian forces in Libya under the direct control of the Prime Minister Matteo Renzi.
When as-Sarraj landed in Tripoli, Renzi was attending the summit on nuclear safety in Washington. Above all, President Barrack Obama spoke there in favour of an intervention, since the installation of as-Sarraj could at best "strengthen the structure” of the Libyan state.
The Italian elites are pushing to play a leading role in any military mission. Under the headline "Libya: Preparing for intervention," the right-wing newspaper Centro-Destra wrote that military control of the Mediterranean was of crucial importance, saying this time Italy must play a leading role. It was a priority to avoid "Italian interests being ignored in Libya. ... In other words: If Italy had only a minor role and not the role of the protagonist, then everything would be in vain. That would be the farce of the 2011 tragedy."
In the daily Corriere della Sera, the US Ambassador in Rome, John Phillips, demanded the deployment of up to 5,000 Italian soldiers. He said, "Libya is a top priority for Italy, and is also very relevant for us. It is important that Italy takes the lead of an international action."
Five years ago, the pretext was that civilians in Benghazi had to be saved from an impending massacre by Gaddafi's army. As a result, approximately 30,000 fell victim to the NATO military operation. Gaddafi was murdered in a lynch mob, Libya's civilization, economy and infrastructure were destroyed, approximately two million Libyans were forced into exile and hundreds of thousands became displaced persons inside their own country.
In the 2011 war, NATO unleashed Islamist fighters as proxies and ground forces, and supplied them with weapons, partly through Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. They thus laid the foundation for today's rival militias, and also for the development and advance of ISIS in Syria, Iraq and Libya itself.
The Islamic fundamentalists were first armed and supported against Gaddafi. Later, with vast quantities of arms from Gaddafi's arsenals, they were deployed to Syria where they fought against Assad. Since 2015, ISIS fighters have begun returning to Libya, where they now serve the Western powers as the pretext for a new intervention.
Every city that put up resistance to the Islamists was bombed to the ground by NATO fighter jets. For example, Sirte, the birthplace of Gaddafi, which put up the longest resistance to the NATO war, was so badly damaged that ISIS was able easily capture it last year.
Used to be just Germany and Italy in the Axis, now the French have joined, too - this time après-Pétain, après-Le Pen.
The Europeans are just a dreary, as greedy, as ruthless as the Americans. They're all on the same side ... this time? ... or again.
Posted by: jfl | Apr 9 2016 11:09 utc | 55
jfl | Apr 9, 2016 7:09:08 AM | 55
But, but, isn't that precisely our heritage as emigres from the European continent (mostly)?
Why would our behaviors change? Same old, same old...
And it's all playing out exactly as expected; move along folks, nothing to see here...
Posted by: V. Arnold | Apr 9 2016 11:21 utc | 56
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@all
Please stay STRICTLY on topic.
Posted by: b | Mar 29 2016 14:22 utc | 1