I tried hard to persuade y’all to at least limit the extent of your belief in AGW to the fudged numbers given by the politicized NASA & NOAA, rather than the extremes put out by activists & our usual lying media. I thought that initially you would have believed IPCC AR5 estimate of global warming from 1880 to 2012 is 0.85°C +-0.2°C, which is consistent with our continuing climb out of the Little Ice Age. But even links that showed NASA & NOAA agreed didn’t budge some of you.
I thought that after persuading you to limit the extremity of your faith in the propaganda that I could then tell you the rest of the truth. As I have failed there’s no reason to hold back the full truth any longer. You needn’t believe anything I say; just regard yourself as an anthropologist visiting the backward Skeptic Tribe, of whom there are many. Before I can tell you more I need to give you the Skeptic Tribe’s legend of climate history:
DURING PAST 1,000 YEARS
The Earth is subject to more periodicities than the 24 hour cycle and the 365-day ones. According to the Greenland ice cores and other corroborating temperature proxies since 1470 the earth has alternately warmed and cooled approximately every 27-30 years. The oceans also alternate warming and cooling. (Pacific Decadal Oscillation and Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation). NASA confirmed in 2008 that the Pacific had entered its 30 year cooling phase, as has the Atlantic. Other periodicities include a 104 year, a 208 year, and a 350 year cycle.
DURING PAST 10,000 YEARS
–Cold Events have been superimposed upon these 30 year oscillations of warming and cooling so that sometimes the warming has been attenuated and the earth given over to Cold Events with only diminished warming cycles. The last such event was the Little Ice Age, from about 1300 until about 1860 . The worst cold within this period was within the Maunder Minimum & the Dalton Minimum. Warming cycles during this 5 century! Cold Event were muted.
–Warm Events within the past 10,000 years– Minoan Warm, Roman Warm (Hannibal crossing the Alps on elephants), Medieval Warm (wine production in Britain & farming in Greenland) & our present Modern Optimum– had similarly ineffectual 30 year cooling periods.
The US has the most complete temperature records. We had warming from 1917-1944 ; cooling 1945-1977; warming 1977-2005 (the last 7 years of which are thought to have been a standstill); 2005- and continuing: cooling, w El Nino interruptions at first.
We have formed the habit of thinking that the Ice Ages of prehistory are over and that the modern era guarantees a mild climate. We complain about a pleasant 30 year warming cycle because sea level continues to rise annually by 2 mm (the thickness of the wire of 2 paperclips!) and allow the powerful to frighten us into believing our cities will drown. Perhaps it is salutary to remember that in the past million years Major Ice Ages of approximately 100,000 years have alternated with interglacials of 10,000-15,000 years. Our present interglacial is 11,500 years. Our science cannot tell us when the next Major Ice Age will begin.
However, the next Little Ice Age– that is, the next Cold Event greater than the usual 27-30 year period of alternating cooling/warming HAS ALREADY BEGUN. No one is predicting that the current Cold Event will be as severe or long as the 5-century Little Ice Age. But quite a few of the climatologists who have not become handmaidens of money or politics are predicting a Maunder or Dalton type Cooling. Predictions range from 60 years to 250 years of colder temperature. Nevertheless, falling temperatures will probably not be obvious in 2016 since the 2015/16 El Nino is continuing. (The exception wd be if it is succeeded by La Nina by July). Thereafter descending temperature will probably begin to become more obvious.
Sea Level evidence for the current Cold Event: High quality long tide gauge records from around the world were analysed to determine a mean global sea level history from 1904 to 2003. The mean rate of global sea level rise was found to be “larger in the early part of the last century (2.03 +/- 0.35 mm/yr 1904-1953), in comparison with the latter part (1.45 +/- 0.34 mm/yr 1954-2003).” http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=225&page=3#sthash.UGmN8KHx.dpuf
The present Sea Level Rise by raw data satellite altimetry is NIL, nothing. The values reported by NASA & NOAA are due entirely to controversial “adjustments” that are made to the data. In 2010 NASA’s JPL confirmed that global SLR DROPPED 6mm. The warmist reason: the land and lakes are holding more rainwater than usual.
Temperature evidence for the current Cold Event: The land surface data show no warming since 1998, and a small downward trend 2005-2012. Measurement of ocean temperature was added to try to escape this land surface temperature data. At first this allowed further fudging of the data, but as the Argo Float System has developed this has become more difficult. Some warmists are now admitting that “short-term cooling is occurring, but makes no difference to the long-term warming trend.” Politicized entities like NOAA & NASA now resort increasingly to self-contradictory records. There are numerous degradations of the data including the failure to omit temperature stations which express the urban heat island effect, and the 80% of sitings which violate NOAA’s own siting regulations. When land-based temperature studies use only rural stations, the warming trend is zero.
The current Sunspot Cycle, Cycle 24, when measured by the comparable scale, is the weakest Cycle in 200 years. It is nearly as weak as Cycle 5, which was concurrent with the Maunder Minimum. To all but warmists solar grand minima coincide with climate cooling. It is thought the cause is that the weakened solar “wind” is less effective in blocking the ubiquitous cosmic rays, and their increased passage into our atmosphere is productive of more clouds, therefore more shading from the Sun’s warmth. An intensification of cosmic rays is already observed.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 25 2016 15:51 utc | 3

Among those predicting a Cold Event in excess of the normal 30 year oscillation:
–RUSSIAN. Mathematician Valentina Zharkova is predicting another Maunder Minumum with a 97% certainty, based on a new magnetic wave construct of the sun’s behavior. http://www.sciencealert.com/a-mini-ice-age-is-coming-in-the-next-15-years
Yuri Nagovitsyn, St Petersburg’s Pulkov Observatory: Solar activity follows different cycles, including an 11-year cycle, a 90-year cycle and a 200-year cycle. “Evidently, solar activity is on the decrease. The 11-year cycle doesn’t bring about considerable climate change – only 1-2%. The impact of the 200-year cycle is greater – up to 50%. In this respect, we could be in for a cooling period that lasts 200-250 years. The period of low solar activity could start in 2030-2040 but it won’t be as pervasive as in the late 17th century”.
Solar physicist Khabibullo Abdusamatov and his colleagues at the Russian Academy of Sciences astronomical observatory said the Little Ice Age prediction is based on measurement of solar emissions. They expect the cooling to begin within a few years and to reach its peak between 2055 and 2060.
Elena Popova of Lomonosov Moscow State U’s Skobeltsyn Institute of Nuclear Physics said that a 90 year cycle when it coincides with the minima of the 11 year solar cycle halves the number of sunspots. A 300-400 year low reduces the number to zero. During the Maunder Minimum there were 50 sunspots instead of 40,000-50,000. Solar activity decreases dramatically about every 350 years, and is beginning to decrease nowadays.
There are reports that at the Paris Climate Conference the Russians expressed an interest in geo=engineering. Do you think it is warmth they want to minimize? Conference in Moscow re GeoEngineering to reduce Global Cooling. http://www.carlineconomics.com/files/pdf/Carlin-Moscow-v4%20with%20notes.pdf
–GERMAN. Geologist Dr. Sebastian Lunig: IPCC Models have no chance of success, possible .2 degree global cooling by 2020. His charts show that solar activity correlates well with temperature, which Lüning calls “a surprisingly good match”. He then presents the various solar cycles that the sun undergoes, going into the works of Gerard Bond, who made temperature reconstructions using layers of ice-rafted material in the North Atlantic. Lüning calls the synchronicity between solar activity and temperature found by Bond “stunning”.
Horst-Joachin Luedecke and Carl-Otto Weiss of the European Institute for Climate and Energy, say that “two naturally occurring climate cycles will combine to lower global temperatures during the next century. By the year 2100, temperatures on this planet will plunge to levels seen at the end of the Little Ice Age in 1870.” It should be noted that the German researchers used historical data detailing temperatures as well as cave stalagmites to show a recurring 200-year solar cycle called the DeVries Cycle.
Professor Dr. Fritz Vahrenholt, green activist & geologist/paleontologist Dr. Sebastian Lüning wrote a Skeptics book, The Cold Sun. Vahrenholt had reviewed the renewable energy part of the IPCC report, found 100s of errors which they were not interested in correcting.
Lennart Bengtsson, the former director of the Hamburg-based Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, one of the world’s leading climate research centers, announced he would join the academic advisory council of the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), a skeptical organization. “It is important, and I will say essential, that society and the political community is also made aware of areas where consensus does not exist. To aim for a simplistic course of action in an area that is as complex and as incompletely understood as the climate system does not make sense at all in my opinion.”
–AUSTRALIAN. Australian Astronomical Society warns of global cooling as Sun’s activity ‘significantly diminishes’. Under Abbot, Australiaw was repealing all green levies and taxes,
Maurice Newman, senior advisor to Abbot in a newspaper editorial: “If the world does indeed move into a cooling period, its citizens are ill-prepared. After the 2008 fin­ancial crisis, most economies are still struggling to recover. Cheap electricity in a colder climate will be critical, yet distorted price signals caused by renewable energy policies are driving out reliable baseload generators. Attracting fresh investment will be difficult, expensive and slow. Only time will tell, but it is fanciful to believe that it will be business as usual in a colder global climate. ” Skeptic Abbot has been replaced by Turnbull & Newman not renewed. The Australian people are up in arms about phoney temperature measurements of the sort done here. I have listened to hours of hearings by concerned Austalians.
–DANISH. Danish Solar Scientist Svensmark declares ‘global warming has stopped and a cooling is beginning…enjoy global warming while it lasts’
–JAPANESE. Japan Society of Energy and Resources (JSER) report is astonishing rebuke to international pressure, and a vote of confidence in Japan’s native marine and astronomical research. Publicly-funded science in the West uniformly backs the hypothesis that industrial influence is primarily responsible for climate change, although fissures have appeared recently. Only one of the five top Japanese scientists commissioned here concurs with the man-made global warming hypothesis.
Kanya Kusano, Program Director and Group Leader for the Earth Simulator at the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science & Technology (JAMSTEC) focuses on the immaturity of simulation work cited in support of the theory of anthropogenic climate change. Using undiplomatic language, Kusano compares them to ancient astrology.
Shunichi Akasofu, head of the International Arctic Research Center in Alaska, uses historical data to challenge the claim that very recent temperatures represent an anomaly.
Over 1000 international scientists in a report to the US senate have said they desist from the unproven man made climate change theory. A recent poll of Swedish politicians has revealed that 6 out of 10 Swedish politicians no longer believe in man made climate change.
There are the protected and the unprotected. The protected make public policy. The unprotected live in it. — Peggy Noonan

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 25 2016 15:53 utc | 5

must see
http://angryarab.blogspot.fr/2016/03/saudi-ambassador-at-un-explains-why-he.html

Posted by: mina | Mar 25 2016 16:14 utc | 7

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/ice_core_co2.html
800,000-year Ice-Core Records of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide (CO2)
This page introduces Antarctic ice-core records of carbon dioxide (CO2) that now extend back 800,000 years at Dome C and over 400,000 years at the Vostok site. Links are also provided to shorter records from other Antarctic locations. The 2000-year record from Law Dome, Antarctica, has been merged with modern records and a spline function was fit to the result to provide a 2000-year time series extending to the present.
Trends
Over the last 800,000 years atmospheric CO2 levels as indicated by the ice-core data have fluctuated between 170 and 300 parts per million by volume (ppmv), corresponding with conditions of glacial and interglacial periods. The Vostok core indicates very similar trends. Prior to about 450,000 years before present time (BP) atmospheric CO2 levels were always at or below 260 ppmv and reached lowest values, approaching 170 ppmv, between 660,000 and 670,000 years ago. The highest pre-industrial value recorded in 800,000 years of ice-core record was 298.6 ppmv, in the Vostok core, around 330,000 years ago. Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased markedly in industrial times; measurements in year 2010 at Cape Grim Tasmania and the South Pole both indicated values of 386 ppmv, and are currently increasing at about 2 ppmv/year.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/339/6123/1060.abstract
Vol. 339, Issue 6123, pp. 1060-1063
DOI: 10.1126/science.1226368
Synchronous Change of Atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic Temperature During the Last Deglacial Warming
Changes in the concentration of atmospheric CO2 and surface air temperature are closely related. However, temperature can influence atmospheric CO2 as well as be influenced by it. Studies of polar ice cores have concluded that temperature increases during periods of rapid warming have preceded increases in CO2 by hundreds of years. Parrenin et al. (p. 1060; see the Perspective by Brook) present a revised age scale for the atmospheric component of Antarctic ice cores, based on the isotopic composition of the N2 that they contain, and suggest that temperature and CO2 changed synchronously over four intervals of rapid warming during the last deglaciation.
Changes in the concentration of atmospheric CO2 and surface air temperature are closely related. However, temperature can influence atmospheric CO2 as well as be influenced by it. Studies of polar ice cores have concluded that temperature increases during periods of rapid warming have preceded increases in CO2 by hundreds of years. Parrenin et al. (p. 1060; see the Perspective by Brook) present a revised age scale for the atmospheric component of Antarctic ice cores, based on the isotopic composition of the N2 that they contain, and suggest that temperature and CO2 changed synchronously over four intervals of rapid warming during the last deglaciation.
Abstract
Understanding the role of atmospheric CO2 during past climate changes requires clear knowledge of how it varies in time relative to temperature. Antarctic ice cores preserve highly resolved records of atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic temperature for the past 800,000 years. Here we propose a revised relative age scale for the concentration of atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic temperature for the last deglacial warming, using data from five Antarctic ice cores. We infer the phasing between CO2 concentration and Antarctic temperature at four times when their trends change abruptly. We find no significant asynchrony between them, indicating that Antarctic temperature did not begin to rise hundreds of years before the concentration of atmospheric CO2, as has been suggested by earlier studies.

Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 25 2016 16:28 utc | 9

anyone following this story? – Reza Zarrab: Turkey reels from gold bullion scandal as spotlight lands on Erdogan allies..

Posted by: james | Mar 25 2016 17:02 utc | 11

Mina at 10, link. Absolutely priceless!
I just posted to a pop French board (under moderation and prob. won’t make the gate) that F. djihadists in 2010, 11, and on, who went to Syria to fight against Assad were defending their own country -France, Belgium- as they were totally in line with their Gvmts policy. Against Assad! (Then they returned to plant bombs at home, etc.)
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That may seem trivial and ignoring all the factors that ‘create’ terrorists (exclusion, no jobs, radicalisation in prisons and the like) but … It appears to me after looking about and some info acquired personally, that the F ‘terrorists’ who went to fight against Assad were between tolerated and encouraged.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 25 2016 17:13 utc | 13

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Seems someone has saved up and Provisioned Prodigious Piles of Penelope Poo for the weekend. Penelope hasn’t the education, intelligence or capacity to distinguish science from ‘creation science’ and insists on selling something someone has created to win a fraudulent argument, and persists on repeating the shite believing at some point the shite will actually grow something – it won’t, it is sterile, barren, unproductive. Penelope will go through life never having an original idea and would not know what to do if one occurred. Penelope is a cut and paste whore, prostituting knowledge with false, misleading and deceptive opinion; a method developed by the tobacco industry to avoid the responsibility that smoking caused cancer. It would be nice if Penelope would take the product being pandered onto a site where it more resembles the tone of the site – creation science and that ilk come immediately to mind. Penelope – get lost until you can adhere to the zeitgeist of the site. MoA is not such a site.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Mar 25 2016 17:43 utc | 15

@16 noirette @19 mina
And who was pulling the strings in France at the time? Do you credit the US or Israel?

Posted by: jfl | Mar 25 2016 19:41 utc | 17

(mina at 19 yes.)
Terrorist attacks in Europe and germane to the Syria thread.
Daesh, Deserters and their testimonies.
Doc, Arte (mainstream TV French-German) 55 mins.
Voice over: French. Subs: English. Available till May 14 (for me from Europe)
http://www.arte.tv/guide/en/064537-000-A/daesh?country=CH
Not great but v. informative for ppl who know little about Daesh / IS. Note the number of foreign fighters, attitudes towards them.
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10 mins. you tube, Islamic youth sympathisers in Moelenbeek (Belgium, where the Brussels terrorists hung out). In French, but no need to understand the language.
https://youtu.be/lAR_UQ23ZSQ

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 25 2016 19:45 utc | 19

jfl, at 20.
Hard to sort out,, but the old colonialist impulse (back to Sykes-Picot) is a strong lede. To ‘retake’ some of the ressources and have some powerful control in Lybia – Sarkozy, not just Hillary C. Syria: Hollande and ex-FM Fabius, being the prime movers of *Assad must go*, now overriden by a US-Russia alliance..The Free Syrian Army was actually very much an F creation imho..
France on the world stage and so on! Partnering with other war-mongers. And of course probably the most important, simply sucking up to world potentates (ex. KSA) to get contracts, money. A foreign policy gone amuck to favor those in the top seats, Young Leaders trained in the US, closet Zionists, Israel-supporters, and so on, all on various takes and belonging to the dominant class, determined to dumb down and control the French ppl. The model is the US, but in fact they are fighting for their survival within the EU.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 25 2016 20:19 utc | 21

Denis @ 2:
If you’re looking for the legally culpable party, that had to be the Roman prefect of Judaea at the time and that man was Pontius Pilate. The Gospels however say that he was reluctant to execute Jesus and his hand was forced by the rabbinical authorities, who kept harping on about Jesus’ claim to be King of the Jews (and thus a threat to Roman authority in Judaea), and their rent-a-mob crowds baying for his blood. That is why in some Gospel accounts PP goes to some extraordinary lengths to disavow responsibility for Jesus’ execution by giving the crowds a choice between executing Jesus and executing a known criminal (Barabbas) and washing his hands in public.
But the point of the Gospel accounts is not to sheet the blame home on any one particular person or authority: the emphasis is that everyone in some small way – even the disciples themselves, either by reporting him to the authorities (Judas), denying their association with him (Peter) or fleeing the scene (nearly all of them) – were to blame for Jesus’ betrayal and death. That’s supposed to be a lesson for all of us.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 25 2016 20:50 utc | 23

Jeff @ 9,
“We have more CO2 in the air than the last ~million years.”
Jeff, There are many exceptions, but dealing w the most recent—
Study from the Law Dome Antarctic ice cores:
The first “record high” CO2 level was set in 1809, at a time when cumulative anthropogenic carbon emissions had yet to exceed the equivalent of 0.2 ppmv CO2?
From 1750 to 1875, atmospheric CO2 rose at ten times the rate of the cumulative anthropogenic emissions…
Cumulative anthropogenic emissions didn’t “catch up” to the rise in atmospheric CO2 until 1960…
The emissions were only able to “catch up” because atmospheric CO2 levels stalled at ~312 ppmv from 1940-1955.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/07/a-brief-history-of-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-record-breaking/

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 25 2016 21:05 utc | 25

re 23

climate change deniers and skeptics are funded or otherwise encouraged by those who have a financial incentive to do so: the fossil fuel industry.

I’d be surprised to hear that Penelope is one of those. So others do exist.
While you are right in many ways, there are also financial interests among climate change scientists. Careers to make, new grants to get. I happen to think that the issues are far more complicated than our simplistic scientists think. I was interested recently to follow up an article in the Guardian whose title was “Syria’s drought ‘has likely been its worst in 900 years'”. I read the scientific study which was behind the article. It was entitled Spatiotemporal drought variability in the Mediterranean over the last 900 years in the Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres. I read the article, and there hidden in a single sentence, it was revealed that they had no data points at all in Syria. It was all interpolated from other Mediterranean countries. And yet it was thought worth making a big publicity thing.
Incidentally, 900 years ago (around 1100 AD) has been thought since the sixties, to be the end of the so-called Early Medieval warm period, and the 900 years covers the supposed “Little Ice Age”, when rainfall levels in Jerusalem even in the 19th century have been shown to be far higher than today. However our authors don’t know that, because they’ve just taken one set of data, and reached a conclusion.

Posted by: Laguerre | Mar 25 2016 21:28 utc | 27

Jeff @ 9, ” Can you explain why the stratosphere is cooling?”
For 60 years, warmists insisted that the heat missing from the surface must be in an equatorial hotspot in the troposphere. Hundreds of thousands of weather balloons were sent up equipped to radio back the temperatures. It was not found, altho there was a short-term fraud when somebody claimed to find it.
Finally, a 2014 paper suggests that stratospheric cooling is a “more suitable” signal of AGW than trying to find a hot spot in the troposphere. The paper asks whether the cooling of the stratosphere may have been proceeding since before we began to monitor it, and if this extended cooling (if it has been occurring) might require explaining. And (if it is occurring) might it be related to climate change?
Sorry, Jeff, I lost patience w this nebulous idea. If you think there’s substantial cooling of the stratosphere & think it presents evidence for warming, please relate the argument or give me a link.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 25 2016 21:34 utc | 29

re 12
Rising CO2, inevitable in the modern world, should lead to more warming, but it’s not certain from historical evidence that it is more important than other factors. The relationship doesn’t seem very close. As Penelope has been telling us.
On the other hand, we are all likely to be asphyxiated by the level of pollution. That seems certain.

Posted by: Laguerre | Mar 25 2016 22:00 utc | 31

Major methane release is almost inevitable

We are on the cusp of a tipping point in the climate. If the global climate warms another few tenths of a degree, a large expanse of the Siberian permafrost will start to melt uncontrollably. The result: a significant amount of extra greenhouse gases released into the atmosphere, and a threat – ironically – to the infrastructure that carries natural gas from Russia to Europe.

The article is from 2013. This melting process has already started.
Here’s why methane is a might bit scarier than CO2:
Global Warming’s Terrifying New Chemistry

… molecule for molecule, this unburned methane is much, much more efficient at trapping heat than carbon dioxide.

And permafrost is only the ‘tip of the iceberg’:
Ocean methane hydrates as a slow tipping point in the global carbon cycle
A family friend and I were discussing the danger of methane clathrates 15 years ago!!! This info is just now starting to seep into the ‘mainstream blogosphere’.
@Penelope…You’ve been co-opted, compromised. You’re being used to sew doubt. But while you study your cherry-picked realities, Gaia is off making up new realities for us to ponder. Hope you like eating insects, ’cause crop failure is imminent.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Mar 25 2016 22:25 utc | 33

Penelope @23
The conspiracy of silence that you propose is just hogwash.
I know that peer-review has been raised in earlier conversations with you.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 25 2016 23:32 utc | 35

Hillary and Transparency:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=15985

Posted by: ben | Mar 26 2016 0:03 utc | 37

Lies of biblical studies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzrIHdN9O7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP5LdELd_0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiiPK-FXicc
Happy Easter

Posted by: EasterTruth | Mar 26 2016 1:57 utc | 39

If Tolkien had written the Bible he’d have called it Lords of the Cringe.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 26 2016 2:12 utc | 41

Penelope and others,
I would like to encourage folks to read the book called Agnotology which is a compilation of research defining the term agnotology. The short definition of the term is “the manufacturing of ignorance” and we comment about it here consistently.
The book touched on the bigger implications of all this misdirection, obfuscation and outright lies but, IMO, didn’t really speak to the effects of this over saturation of real or contrived crises. It keeps everyone from focusing on the underlying structural issues with our form of social organization.
So you all keep spewing your textual white noise about the crisis of the moment, IMO, and I will continue to rant about how I see private finance and inheritance as being the issues all should focus on so shit will change!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 26 2016 4:09 utc | 43

DavidKNZ @ 29,
The Bankers pretended to be against the 1913 Federal Reserve Act. They convinced people that it would limit their power– by campaigning against it.
Warmists claim that 91 conservative think tanks spend $900 million on climate skepticism. Reality: AEI & Heritage account for 30 percent of the spending– but they and others allocate only 10% to skepticism. Instead, they largely fund efforts for carbon taxes and other GW restrictions. As usual they’re funding both sides, but mostly AGAINST the skeptic side.
Who funds Warmists? Virtually all the govt grants for research, either direct or filtered thru academia to warmists. Also there’s all the free advocacy from the media and the administration.
Greenpeace and Nature Conservancy raise $1 Bil per year– and not from the public! I don’t know much about Greenpeace. But Nature Conservancy receives money from many, many foundations. Notably from George Soros and his Open Society Institute. After all their blather about Skeptics receiving $156 million in donated funds (“laundered” they called them)– after all that, much of Nature Conservancy’s funds are “laundered” thru the Tides Foundation. Taxpayer money from lots of govt agencies is laundered thru Tides, too.
Pretty unlikely the Skeptics’ skimpy budget is supplemented by the poor taxpayer.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 26 2016 4:40 utc | 45

LaGuerre @ 35,
I’m shocked that you should take exception to my saying the media’s controlled. Can you explain otherwise the consistent misrepresentation of foreign policy? You don’t think they purposely lie about (demonize) countries and leaders that they’re planning to attack? Do you know they’ve long-since repealed the prohibition against using govt propaganda programs on the American people? The very last shred of it was called the Smith-Munson Act I think.
Nearly all the media is owned by 6 large TNCs. When the media execs air stories that they know are false, or when they pass on stories while avoiding obvious questions I call that a controlled media.
I’ll give you a few snippets from my file to see if you don’t agree:
Pacifica Radio, including Amy Goodman’s “Democracy Now!” is supported by foundation money. I thought maybe they were honest anyway. But. . . you’re familiar w the horrendous bombing campaign against Libya & what sort of a country it was before? Amy interviewed her correspondent in Libya who reported people were dancing in the streets w joy at having gotten rid of Gaddafi. When Amy asked about the bomb damage, her employee replied, “oh, I didn’t see any.” I had read a long list of bombed facilities by an alternative Canadian correspondent. It included just about everything you could think of including all 7 hospitals in the capital, electricity & water works, School & Foundation for the Blind, orphanage, a manmade river, vast underground reservoirs, etc ad nauseum.
What Amy covers is very limited indeed. Pacifica’s other news programs frequently carry propaganda, but you wouldn’t know it unless you already knew the truth.
Sorry, I was really disappointed about that one.
OK, here’s from the file:
11/3/15 http://friendsofsyria.info/index.php/2015/11/03/cnn-journalist-governments-pay-us-to-fake-stories-shocking-expose/ Good for her! She didn’t let her successful career make her forget her ideals.
http://russia-insider.com/en/germany_politics_media_watch/2014/11/06/01-08-03pm/our_exclusive_interview_german_editor_turned_cia Udo Ulfkotte reveals in his bestseller Bought Journalists, how he was “taught to lie, to betray and not to tell the truth to the public.” The former editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, which is one of Germany’s largest newspapers, was secretly on the payroll of the CIA and German secret service, spinning the news in a way that was positive for the United States and bad for its opponents.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42196.htm Recently, the German journalist Udo Ulfkotte wrote a book, Bought Journalists, in which he reported that every significant European journalist functions as a CIA asset.
The media disguises the reality. During the Clinton regime, six mega-media companies were permitted to acquire 90% of the US print, TV, radio, and entertainment media, a concentration that destroyed diversity and independence. Today the media throughout the Western world serves as a Propaganda Ministry for Washington. The Western media is Washington’s Ministry of Truth.
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Phil Donahue (MSNBC) and Peter Arnett (NBC), both of whom were fired for expressing opposition to the Bush regime’s illegal attack on Iraq. The fact that Donahue had NBC’s highest rated program did not give him journalistic independence. Anyone who speaks the truth in the American print or TV media or on NPR is immediately fired.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-03/media-opoly-cancelled-saturday-night-its-conspiracy-theory-rock
-Media says 3/29/2014 that Turkey banned youtube to hide monetary corruption. Liars! Was to hide publication of tape of Turkey meeting at which false flag upon Turkey was planned to cause NATO war against Syria. Those of us in the US who hadn’t heard the tape wouldn’t learn of it thru our media. Top story of cabinet-level officials.
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Surely you know the truth of many happenings only thru the net, and have heard them falsified by the media. How do you think this happens? Do you suppose that individual reporters or producers just happen to make identical decisions to deprive people of the truth? Surely that is as the result of a controlled media, no?

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 26 2016 5:37 utc | 47

Dr. Wellington Yueh @ 36,
This is why “peer-reviewed” has become irrelevant. It’s astounding how little basis there is for these scare stories. The people behind the entire AGW hoax want you scared so that you won’t oppose their power grab thru the UN treaty which will progressively stop development– among other things.
Please don’t uncritically allow just anything into your mind. Where is your critical faculty? At a minimum, try to learn the opposing side of the controversy, the one that’s NOT trying to scare you. WhatsUpWithThat is probably the best all-around source to learn the other side. You just search WUWT arctic methane.
Here’s a few bits:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/01/much-ado-about-methane/
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/11/arctic-and-american-methane-in-context/
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Research continues on this frontier of climate science. Such as this good news, that much of the arctic tundra might absorb methane, not release it: “An active atmospheric methane sink in high Arctic mineral cryosols” by M C Y Lau et al, The ISME Journal, August 2015. Here’s an ungated copy. The Princeton press release tells the story.
Here’s the link the above stuff comes from: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/24/the-easy-solution-to-the-looming-monster-methane-apocalypse/ It also covers methane-eating bacteria; if it warms they’ll eat 5-30 times as much. I t also tells you what the IPCC says about methane.
There are at least 3 more methane articles on WUWT. I remember that one of them actually tells you the strength of methane as a greenhouse gas– it was very low, if I remember right.
Do a little research. Really, it’s much more comfortable than allowing yourself to be manipulated emotionally. Sorry to be so bossy.
Regards

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 26 2016 6:18 utc | 49

ps — Unless one is even more thorough than I am (or long-winded, to taste), aren’t we all cherry picking here, pretty much all the time? I would not say this is the pits.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 26 2016 6:54 utc | 51

Noirette
These are 15 year old kids and they have nothing “Islamic” apart from the state religion in which most of their parents were born.
Representative of the X generation. “No future” youth doing cheap provocations (possibly paid documentary). In many places the “Salafists” are actually doing the job of turning them away from guns etc.

Posted by: Mina | Mar 26 2016 7:40 utc | 53

48
Not al Azhar but KSA
or yes, al Azhar, since they have started being subsidized in disguise (“write” a book and publish it with us, we’ll pay you a good sum, bring your family on pilgrimage)by KSA
But who is behind KSA if not US/UK? recently joined by F to help it fight the strong economic crisis?

Posted by: Mina | Mar 26 2016 7:47 utc | 55

@47 psycho
Yeah … rant away. But your message is a one-liner … no attempt to flesh out how we might get from here to there. It’s like a prayer to the tooth fairy. We all know what your dream is … somehow, someway, someone will make private finance go away, and initiate an inheritance tax with teeth for the outliers on the wealth scale. We all hope it comes true, too.

Posted by: jfl | Mar 26 2016 8:43 utc | 57

This film should be shown to wanabee djihadists
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1341167/
“We were four lions”

Posted by: Mina | Mar 26 2016 10:01 utc | 59

○ Dutch Referendum On Ukraine and Sarah Palin’s Disciples
Astonishing which persons are influencing Dutch politics as an unusual referendum will be voted on in a fortnight: Should the EU accept the Ukraine as a member state. After all the anti-Putin propaganda spewed by western media in recent years, the coup d’état of February 2014 in shich dozens died on the street of Kiev and the downing of Malaysia passenger jet flight MH-17, the result of the Dutch vote is uncertain.
A Dutch newspaper published an opinion piece, authored by one of Sarah Palin’s disciples … WTF! The article is wholly inaccurate and filled with lies.
○ A Vote Against Ukraine is a Vote For Putin by Joshua Livestro and Michiel van Hulten

Posted by: Oui | Mar 26 2016 12:43 utc | 61

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 26, 2016 2:50:27 AM | 51
I could smell a looming Happy Days Denial-fest when you said (4th par)…
“If you drop the Deity-specific instructions for veneration (no graven images, no other gods), the Commandments are fairly logical rules for social life.”
If?
Yippee! Way to go, Rufus!
Just “forget” the Blokey supremacist misogyny, jealousy, and chattel prattle, and wank eloquent about how enlightened the left-overs are.
And then excuse yourself for cherry-picking by blaming “we all” …

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 26 2016 13:40 utc | 63

in re 64 —
No, I’m observing your hypocrisy. I guess your abundance of abuse reflects the paucity of your arguments.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 26 2016 14:55 utc | 65

I’m always amazed, truly shocked (well not really) that in discussions of the causes of global warming as due to various types of human activity such as transport, agriculture, manufacturing, etc. the elephant in the room
WAR
is never mentioned.
link is to New Scientist, chart at top. it is only a hint, i’d love to see some calculations somewhere.
http://bit.ly/1XUF6ys

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 26 2016 15:07 utc | 67

SECRETLY FUNDING WARMISTS
I TOLD you: Rockefellers & other oil interests are only PRETENDING to support Skeptics. This Senate Report shows they are actually backing the warmist side:
” In reality, an elite group of left wing millionaires and billionaires, which this report refers to as the “Billionaire’s Club,” who directs and controls the far-left environmental movement, which in turn controls major policy decisions and lobbies on behalf of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Even more unsettling, a dominant organization in this movement is Sea Change Foundation, a private California foundation, which relies on funding from a foreign company with undisclosed donors. In turn, Sea Change funnels tens of millions of dollars to other large but discreet foundations and prominent environmental activists who strive to control both policy and politics.”
“Through these arrangements, the Billionaire’s Club gains access to a close knit network of likeminded funders, environmental activists, and government bureaucrats who specialize in
manufacturing phony “grassroots” movements and in promoting bogus propaganda disguised as science and news to spread an anti-fossil energy message to the unknowing public. ”
http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/6ce8dd13-e4ab-4b31-9485-6d2b8a6f6b00/chainofenvironmentalcommand.pdf

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 26 2016 15:30 utc | 69

70;Keep up the skepticism,it should be sop re these crummy yuppie honorless scum to be so,about anything that is spewed today.
As I’ve said,this reminds me of Don Quixote tilting at windmills,as the only way neocapitalism will correct course,if true(AGW),is when its too late.
Is man the universes cancer?

Posted by: dahoit | Mar 26 2016 15:54 utc | 71

Penelope,
Here’s my simplistic explanation for the cooling of the stratosphere(and acceptance) that increasing CO2 causes warming.
CO2 in the atmosphere makes it more opaque to the infrared radiation from the surface, and any photons emitted in the atmosphere. The photons travel a shorter distance before they are absorbed. But more photons are emitted as well. The atmosphere becomes a better conductor of heat, not worse. The better conductor of heat feels colder steels feels colder than a blanket, therefore the “greenhouse” effect is a complete misnomer and wrong analogy to use to explain the warming effect. The CO2 does not act like a blanket, heat is transmitted through the atmosphere faster not slower.
The effective radiation surface of the atmosphere is where a photon emitted towards space does not encounter another CO2 atom (or one of the other infrared emitting/absorbing atoms) and disappears forever. Because the average distance traveled by a photon REDUCES with increased CO2 the effective radiation surface of the atmosphere is higher therefore stratosphere cools because that’s the layer from which heat from the Earth is radiated out to space.
Temperature decreases with altitude, the lapse rate, if the effective radiation surface of the atmosphere is at altitude X and if this altitude is increased after the addition of CO2, then the temperature at altitude X is going to be more because this is no longer the point at which the atmosphere is cooled by loss of photons into free space. Take the lapse rate from altitude X back to the surface and you have the increase of temperature at the surface.
I’ve always thought that this could be directly measured by satellite for a cold clear still night for say the middle of the Australian outback (but obviously the measurement would have to have been done 20 years ago and repeated today). Anyway that’s my explanation that I came up with a few years ago.

Posted by: Nobody | Mar 26 2016 16:22 utc | 73

Psychohistorian @ 44,
“I will continue to rant about how I see private finance and inheritance as being the issues all should focus on so shit will change!”
Dear Psycho, I agree w you that it is the private controllers of finance (aided by inheritance) that we must stop. But they have already metastasized into control of much of the economy, per Oxfam’s report on corporate control thru interlocking directorships. (Oxfam’s thesis, not mine, LaGuerre)
And Psycho, they are in the process of taking over the global energy industry thru the AGW hoax and their resultant treaty to be signed by nations next month.
As important as the oligarchs’ control of finance is, psycho, don’t let it blind you to what they are buying w it. I know you can see that thru control of energy they will control worldwide development.
Not to see it w/b munching on your own agnotology. (But I’ll take a look at the book at least on Amazon, thanks)

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 26 2016 16:29 utc | 75

Dr. Willington Yueh @ 53, I’m sorry if I’ve misjudged your grasp of the the methane issue, but your post @ 33 said “… molecule for molecule, this unburned methane is much, much more efficient at trapping heat than carbon dioxide.”
That’s untrue. The science behind AGW has been jumped up by tremendous money, notably by Big Oil. They are funding the warmists in order to push thru a treaty which gives increasing control of energy/development to the UN, which they control.
The creation & support of Big Oil & the other oligarchs for the entire warmist position is documented in this Senate report
http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/6ce8dd13-e4ab-4b31-9485-6d2b8a6f6b00/chainofenvironmentalcommand.pdf

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 26 2016 16:52 utc | 77

@ Ricky | 4
Wasn’t the last supper on Thursday?
____________________________________
It wasn’t Friday, that’s for sure. Fortunately, it doesn’t spoil the joke.
But Professor James Tabor has some interesting discussions on just this subject– interesting to this atheistic agnostic, at any rate.
Here’s the gist of his answer to your question:

“Later Christian tradition put Jesus’ last meal with his disciples on Thursday evening and his crucifixion on Friday. We now know that is one day off. Jesus’ last meal was Wednesday night, and he was crucified on Thursday, the 14th of the Jewish month Nisan. The Passover meal itself was eaten Thursday night, at sundown, as the 15th of Nisan began. Jesus never ate that Passover meal. He had died at 3 p.m. on Thursday.”

As noted, I’m not qualified to claim that Tabor is correct, but I find his analyses informative, lucid, and compelling. See the rest at: https://jamestabor.com/

Posted by: Ort | Mar 26 2016 16:59 utc | 79

Dahoit @ 69, “They keep up the the story that each year it’s hotter than the previous.
Could that data be the result of more sites where they measure temp?
An increase of monitoring sites?”
No, Dahoit, they DEcreased sites in the north. Also when cities grew up around old sites they became subject to the “urban heat island” effect, but they don’t subtract for that. When rural sites only are consulted there is no warming.
You mention the old “ozone hole” controversy. It was a hoax by the maker of a new refrigerant that wasn’t selling because it wasn’t as good as freon. Ozone hole is unchanged; waxes & wanes every year as per normal.
For a bigger picture of the purpose behind the warming hoax, see “Financial Ecology with a Climate Pretext” Their plan is to financialize nature, and many people who love nature haven’t a clue what it is they are really supporting. (Well, how COULD they know; you have to be actually studying the psychopathic oligarchs to understand what they’re up to. They hide behind such nice propaganda: “Save the planet.” Yeah, it’s really “Turn it all over to our control.”) You can get a few hints here:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189616.html
Regards

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 26 2016 19:24 utc | 81

@83 james
Well, I hadn’t mentioned China but, now that you have, you put me in mind of their very own ‘global private finance families making all the decisions behind the myth of’ Chinese capitalism. Are they complete failures as an alternative to capitalism? No! But the Chinese Communist Party does seem to be the home of some of (the majority of?) the most successful 21st Century Robber Barons, so far.
I really don’t have favorites among the plutes I ‘love to hate’. I just don’t see now … I certainly did see the tremendous gains made by the Chinese peoples in the 20th Century … much difference between the China of the 21st and the “west”. Apparent differences seem to be vestigial, left over from the 20th, as the plutocrats of the East and West rise and converge. Those in power in China are certainly more mindful of the precariousness of their position in the face of ordinary people who have made revolution very effectively not so long ago and may well do again.
What do I know? Nothing special. Just the way it looks to me, another bozo on the bus, from my seat thereon.

Posted by: jfl | Mar 26 2016 21:39 utc | 83

DavidKNZ @ 26,
The “outing” of Rockefeller’s Exxon-Mobil as supporter of Skeptics was done by the Energy and Environment Reporting Fellowship at the Columbia School of Journalism. And this group is funded by . . . Rockefeller Bros Fund. It’s just like the Federal Reserve Act. Bankers pretended to be against it. Now they pretend to be against AGW. http://energyindepth.org/national/rockefellers-admit-paying-for-exxonknew-media-coverage/
I guess from now on they will do openly what they’ve been doing since at least 2013– spend gargantuan sums supporting AGW groups, per the Senate report I’ve already linked above.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 26 2016 23:33 utc | 85

Erdogan is back in the news:
– Erdogan is angry: (In german): http://www.msn.com/de-de/nachrichten/politik/der-wutausbruch-von-erdogan/ar-BBqXFMW
– (In English): https://www.rt.com/news/337181-cumhuriyet-dundar-closed-trial
– https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/325829-syria-isis-us-allies/
– Erdogan’s son flees Italy because italian justice is on his heels.
https://www.rt.com/news/334511-erdogan-son-flee-italy/
https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/334489-europe-refugees-financial-crisis/

Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 27 2016 0:49 utc | 87

@85 psycho
It may well be the Chinese people who stage another revolution and bring about ‘a world with better incentives than the Gawd of Mammon capitalism myth’. I just don’t think it will be the present Plutocrats of the Republic who do so. I think they are more and more your garden variety plutes with each passing day. And we’ve been waiting awhile for us the people to advance beyond complaints here in the “west”.
I think change is going to be brought about by the people suffering the most, those with the least left to lose under the capitalist ‘trees grow to the sky’ system. There are more of ‘them’ – us – in China than in the “west”. The race to the bottom is still being run. But the big numbers are in China – and India. The dawn of the new day may well rise in the East. The sun always come up in the East, right? Sets in the West.

Posted by: jfl | Mar 27 2016 1:34 utc | 89

@89 what’s funny is that it’s true. I believe that most of the lieutenants came from continental Europe. Almost all of the conspirators of project wreck Syria are getting it pushed back on them in various degrees

Posted by: aaaa | Mar 27 2016 4:34 utc | 91

mina at 54, I agree. These kids are being ‘rebel youth’ in a very unoriginal, manipulated way, and all this has absolutely nothing to do with Islam. (But with third generation from cheap labor from ex-colonies, and poverty.) What is interesting is that tee-vee likes to show this kind of thing, and the kids, on the moment, love the publicity, the more outrageous they can be the better! A sort of complicity in a TV-reality thing. As you said in other words.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 27 2016 14:57 utc | 93

Without comment:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/28/arctic-sea-ice-record-low-winter

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Mar 28 2016 20:24 utc | 95

Formerly T-Bear,
That’s right: Arctic ice, which is all sea ice (no land beneath), is very much dependent upon the temperature of the water that it floats in. During the last of our intermittent warming episodes– from about 1975 to 1998 and in the 5 year or so period of stasis afterward– the ocean warmed a little, so ice melts more readily. As a result, for a number of years the amount of Arctic sea ice is DOWN by about 7%.
We are not able to see how much the ice decreased in the last intermittent warm period 1914-1944 (dust bowl, etc.) because the satellite record only goes back to 1979.
These NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS reveal the great anxiety that was felt about the loss of ice in the 20s & 30s, etc. https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/polar-meltdown/
PS the Antarctica is growing you know.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 29 2016 1:23 utc | 97

@ 98
I don’t take advise from ignorant fools – thanks for the needless effort.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Mar 29 2016 6:28 utc | 99