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March 17, 2016

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The schizophrenic nature of the US on the world stage at this moment is contrasted by the calm, measured, clear approach of the Russian Federation. There is a lot of praise for Putin lately...
Posted by: MadMax2 | Mar 18, 2016 11:00:47 PM | 93

Yeah, Xymphora picked up on an article with a nifty meme yesterday...

"This is Why Putin is the Most Unpredictable Politician in the World":

"... he constantly does what he says he is going to do."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 19, 2016 3:10:15 AM | 101

What's is in march in Brazil isn't a revolution by any measurement. What's happening is a well engineered coup d'etat, an attempt to drive the country backwards. What the coup promoters want is to put the country totally in the hands of the international corporations. These people in the streets are from what they call middle class, people brainwashed to see themselves as part of the privileged class. They don't like to see poor people eg in the universities. It's an ignorant mass. If you ask one of them why they want to overthrow the government they're not capable of giving a coherent answer. Corruption was always endemic in the country. The ones behind this movement are much much worse. The criminal proceedings are being carried out with total desrespect for law. Don't forget that if 3 million people went to the streets more than 200 million didn't. The situation is much more complex than showed in international media. This government is far from being a good one but what's being proposed is far worse.

Posted by: Paulo Nogueira | Mar 19, 2016 3:31:56 AM | 102

Israel's Influence: Good or Bad for America?

Whom should you vote in the primaries and November, Killary, Trump or Bernie? Maybe after watching the videos below, may help you decides who you should vote if you are Americans' citizens.

I watched two parts earlier, the live conference and will view all the segments. Please watch. Download or share (very long). Millions of Palestinians lives are in your hands..... Millions more will perished.

Conference on Israel's influence: Gideon Levy

Conference on Israel's influence: Lawrence Wilkerson

I salute Paul Jay, a journalist founded and is CEO of The Real News Network. Jay was born and raised in Toronto and holds dual-citizenship like myself with the United States. Thank You :-)

Complete segments:

Posted by: Jack Smith | Mar 19, 2016 3:38:15 AM | 103

in re 99

I ain't diggin' anything. It's the shit you keep flinging my way, right back at you. Except, all my material is current. You seem to be hurdling towards the Green Tea Party. Trump as progressive? Really, embarrassing.

I overlooked this the other day. Plenue previously spoke of your "filter" that allows you to perceive reality as you wish it to be. You were discussing your hectoring Naked Capitalism into confessing to whatever sin you had imputed to them. Something about Greece, I think it was. Or was it "proof" of their "neoliberalism"?

From Open Thread 2016-10, at 165:

Wow, you're still going on about that one comment? I understood his point when he made it, you've had four months to actually comprehend what he was saying and you've been unable to take off your blinders in all that time. The more you go on about it, the more irrational and rabid you appear (though I'm sure few people in these comments think so, since so much of this place is circle-jerking).

Israel is a scummy nation, and I have no doubt that its leaders have wet dreams over the idea of just rounding up and executing everyone in Gaza in one fell swoop. But for all their crimes they're still a long way off from being literal Nazis (though not from lack of trying).

Your response went on to drearily explain why you thought your ravings were self-important utterings. I don't think you were convincing.

If you're not going to get help, where's my cut of the tickets and merchandizing?

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 19, 2016 8:36:21 AM | 104


Do you seriously think anybody really cares about you missing the joke?

It wasn't the crime, it was the cover-up. And you're still doing it.

Some jokes are in poor taste, others are offensive. The sarcastic wisecrack that you made was offensive because:

>> You made light of the death of an innocent bystander:
One [Palestinian] down, 12mil. more to go...
>> You implied that Israel should not be held to a higher standard wrt human rights than nonstate actors:
If they [Israel] expect to beat the Jihadis, they'll have to pick up the pace.
The combined effect was to excuse state murder.

Instead of retracting this offensive remark, you did everything you could to excuse it. And you did so several times over the last 5 months.

This not only proves your Zionism (so pro-Israel that you can't retract an offensive remark that supposedly was not meant to be offensive) but is disrespectful of the MoA community because we frequently discuss things like state abuse of power. Indeed, there was concern for jfl's safety after he criticized the Thai government.

You have shown similar deceptiveness wrt your support for Hillary and similar disrespect when you left MoA in a huff (signing off with a sarcastic "...thanks for all the fish.") and then returned with no explanation or apology.

And your anti-Trump remarks are hypocritical when you yourself have made a remark that essentially excuses state-organized violence against Palestinians/Arabs AND you have adamantly defended it.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 19, 2016 8:36:33 AM | 105

in re 104 --

Doesn't really seem that convincing; I don't think Plenue bit on you bait. Since no "crime," no "coverup." Plenue observes you had months to get to that. Keep at, won't you?

Do I oppose the Isreali state? Yes, since you keep demanding I explain myself my position on the settlements is well-known (opposed, BDS good). Do I affect the same uncritical, hysterical tone on them favored by our "anti-zionist" hunters of "zionazis"? Fuck no.

And back to current affairs. Does this sound progressive to you? Ammosexual Conservative Threatens MoveOn With 'Tens Of Millions Of Guns'

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 19, 2016 8:53:30 AM | 106

further to 105 --

Not surprisingly, you again misrepresent my position.

When I made my smartass wisecrack, I hoped it would be offensive. I find the characterization of present Israeli policy as some sort of "Holocaust" or "genocide" offensive.

I did not excuse my sarcasm, I reveled in it. I always do.

And you know why? We smart alecks are just better people! "Why might sarcasm enhance creativity? Because the brain must think creatively to understand or convey a sarcastic comment, sarcasm may lead to clearer and more creative thinking."

I'd describe you as devious, rather than intelligent or creative.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 19, 2016 9:07:30 AM | 107

If rufus farted in polite company he would excuse himself.

But he makes an offensive remark about the killing of an innocent bystander by an apartheid regime on a blog whose focus is international relations and he adamantly defends it again and again and again and again...

rufus was responding to jfl's likening Israel to the Nazi's when he made his "wisecrack" (as rufus calls it). But rufus' response referenced Jihadis not Nazis. The anti-Arab, 'eye-for-an-eye' sentiment of his sacastic comment was inappropriate to correcting jfl.

When I pointed out this disconnect, rufus attempted to correct himself by comparing Israel favorably to the Nazis State! That discussion ended with this conclusion (link).

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Thank you Jack Smith for the links. Honestly, I never took much notice of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute until Israel began its campaign to shut down the BDS Movement.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 19, 2016 9:24:11 AM | 108

yawn @107

LOL, he's really stroking himself @106.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 19, 2016 9:49:12 AM | 109

109;His handle screams ME.Another legend in his own mind.
Obvious ethnic ties to Zion,as no one else in this world truly likes them other than ethnic adherents or paid lackeys.The legacy of hatred.

Posted by: dahoit | Mar 19, 2016 10:16:07 AM | 110

The present coup attempt in Brazil is but one piece of a larger picture which will be largely complete with the orchestration of the downfall of the present Venezuelan government. South America had achieved an unprecedented degree of independence from its Washington masters over the past 20 years. This could not be allowed to stand. This is after all America’s self-proclaimed ‘backyard’ and therefore must be returned to its neo-colonialist status. The populist policies of these independent countries were a direct threat to the neoliberal model the U.S. is determined to impose globally. Consequently right-wing coups have been orchestrated in Honduras (2009), Paraguay (2012), Argentina (2015) with Brazil now in play and Venezuela on deck.. With Peru and Colombia already neoliberal strongholds and central America an unmitigated disaster area, the U.S. will have largely succeeded in reintegrating its ‘backyard’ into its vision of the New World Order.

Posted by: pantaraxia | Mar 19, 2016 11:20:01 AM | 111

dont cry for me argentina !


when i heard argentina navy sank a chinese fishing boat alarm bell started ringing crazy in my head.
wtf, aint argentina a buddy of china ?
i immediately did some digging, silly me, argentina had a quiet change of guard in dec 15.
the new prez macri is a darling of washington !

good ole peter koenig had the details
*Absorbed by their own fate and fear, Europeans have hardly eyes to see beyond their Continent, their sphere of self-interest. The neoliberal coup d’état in Argentina happened almost unnoticed. Never mind that it is just about bringing some 42.5 million people (2015 pop. estimate) under Washington’s rule.

In 2011 Mauricio Macri asked the US Embassy in Buenos Aires to launch a strong anti-Kirchner campaign, slandering her and her political alliances, thereby massively discrediting Cristina Kirchner’s Presidency. It did not work for Macri in 2011, as Cristina Kirchner was re-elected. But the Washington-driven anti-Kirchner and anti-FPV campaign expanded massively until this past election. And it paid off.
South America had proudly achieved over the past 20 years a degree of independence from its Washington masters, no other western region has reached – least the vassal states of Europe. With this neoliberal, largely unnoticed coup d’état in Argentina, the Subcontinent of South America, is, indeed, gradually turning into what President Obama calls his ‘backyard’. In the Center-North are Peru and Colombia, neoliberal strongholds of the US; and now the Southern Cone is gone.

All the while the Great Dictator and its paid foreign minions are diligently working at discrediting the Governments of Nicolas Maduro, Venezuela, and of Dilma Rousseff, President of Brazil; the former with infiltrated and local mercenaries spreading unrest and violence; the latter with defamation of corruption linked to the oil giant Petrobras, all manufactured via henchmen and associated banks in Florida and New York. Corruption is always an easy accusation – difficult to prove, yet very effective with the common people – in discrediting their government. An accusation coming from the most corrupt, criminal rogue state of this globe – the United States of America.

Posted by: denk | Mar 19, 2016 11:36:48 AM | 112

For rhetorical purposes: Many cannot see the political nature of society's supposedly "apolitical" economic institutions. How do you explain that the Mexican market is, on average, trading at a premium given the alleged "stable economic output", while Brazil is trading, on average, at a discount…maracatu at 4.

Economics (which should be part of Social Anthropology) is a kind of modern religion. It presents theories, principles, concepts, coupled with ‘facts’ and ‘descriptions’ molded to fit, which bear little relation to reality but offer a ‘belief system.’ There is no ‘free market’, all markets are regulated, and many transactions rest on power relations.

One ex. from a ‘global, hyper-regulated’ market - oil - unfavored countries sell at a discount. Up to 15%! And the IEA, which tracks how much oil is sold, where it is, etc. and thus has a profound influence on oil prices (remember, an ‘oil glut’ exists at present, it ‘explains’ low prices, yada) - Last year, there were 800,000 barrels of oil a day unaccounted for, 1 -> incredible.

The religion favors a new caste, the global corps, Gvmts in cahoots, scammers and opportunists, which includes Finance, Security apparatus, war-mongers, the 20%. (includes high-level participants and dependents.) All this is often simply blamed on capitalism but the real wretch in the works was the de-regularisation of Finance, which began in the 80s (France), flowered in the 90s (Bill Clinton for ex.) and became seemingly entrenched and irreversible.

maracatu thx for the link at 73, also others who posted about Brazil, Cuba

1. Ilargi (scroll down, but orig. WSJ is pay-walled)

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 19, 2016 11:53:43 AM | 113

Obvious ethnic ties to Zion,as no one else in this world truly likes them other than ethnic adherents or paid lackeys.

dahoit has a simple mind and this is his standard excuse for everything and anyone he doesn't like in the world. Except when he is screeching that those he doesn't like have no ties to Zion but are Khazars.

It is a complex world out there and this blog explores some of this complexity, but dahoit is a welcome antidote to MOA with one track explanations for all world events.

However, when the subject of solutions comes up, he knows well enough to stay mum and doesn't delve into testing for ethnicity or disposal up defective ethnicities. His preferred solution is to clutter up every thread with endless slurs and innuendos.

Between dahoit, jackrabbit and rufus and Trumpeters as ignorant as former Obamabots clogging up every thread, the signal to noise ratio is ever increasing.

Thank god for posters like pantaraxia @ 111 who points out how quietly successful our liberal President has been while all the oxygen has been expended on the other side of the globe.

Posted by: Old Timer | Mar 19, 2016 11:58:25 AM | 114

Just in case there’s any doubt as to what’s in store for Argentina, a large dose of neoliberal medicine is about to be prescribed.

Some excerpts from a Fortune analysis:

Why Macri’s Win is Bad News for Argentina

-In the past 13 years, Argentina made enormous economic and social progress. Under the Kirchners poverty fell by about 70%, and extreme poverty fell by 80%. (This is for 2003 to mid-2013, ….) Unemployment fell from more than 17.2% to 6.9%, according to the International Monetary Fund.

-In his campaign statements, Macri made it clear that he is against a government role in promoting industry, so the country’s economic development is likely to suffer as a result. He has proposed tax cuts for upper-income groups. That suggests that budget cuts are in the offing, since Macri has pledged to reduce the government budget deficit. The majority of Argentines are likely to suffer from such an economic transition.

-Immediately, he (Macri) has demonstrated his overwhelming loyalty to the United States government, …. One of his very first statements after being elected was to denounce Venezuela and threaten to have the country suspended from the Mercosur trading bloc of South American nations.

-Macri showed a willingness to take steps that no other South American president would do. In the past decade, South American presidents have repeatedly joined together to defend democracy in the region when it was under attack—with Washington on the other side—not only in Venezuela in 2014, 2013, and 2002, but in Bolivia (2008), Honduras (2009), Ecuador (2010), and Paraguay (2012).

-Washington has maintained a policy of “rollback” and “containment” against almost all of the leftist governments that have won elections in the 21st century. So there is quite a bit of excitement among the business and foreign policy elite over the wave of setbacks among Latin America’s left…

Posted by: pantaraxia | Mar 19, 2016 12:29:12 PM | 115

@ rufus magister 37

brutal beatings. Yes. Have you watch any CNN video?

I choose not to link to Facebook. Of interest, there are videos of the outside venue. Ambulances were called for the injured and they were blocked !!! Blocking an ambulance for the injured is beyond the pale. Wouldn’t you agree?

In the above link there is an embedded link to the FB video. The thugs were more destructive than reported by MSM. Read the comments!

BUT it has escalated. Beyond tearing down the Secret Service security fence. ABCnews and other media report that Trump’s son, Eric, received mail with white stuff!

The FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force in New York is leading the investigation into a letter containing a suspicious white powder that was sent to one of Donald Trump's sons. [..]
The handwritten note said: "If your father does not drop out of the race, the next envelope won't be a fake." It was signed "X."

In 2011, opined that in 2016 the USA would become ungovernable. Month 3 and on its way.

Posted by: likklemore | Mar 19, 2016 12:52:39 PM | 116

likklemore, 37 --

I don't do YouTube videos. Except for music, and the odd movie clip. And I'm not on Facebook at all.

Let's just say my regard for Breitbart News is not as high as yours. Though I am interested in the recent shakeup there, in light of allegations they've pimped themselves out to the Trump campaign.

Why would anyone in their right mind trust the Chicago Police, let alone a cop blog? We know what they think of us civilians generally, and minorities and dissenters particularly (I have relatives in law enforcement, BTW). Once you find out who actually sent the younger Trump the envelope, and why, get back to me.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 19, 2016 4:38:32 PM | 117

oops, duh -- L. at 117.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 19, 2016 4:53:18 PM | 118

*It’s no coincidence that three major BRICS nations are simultaneously under attack — on myriad levels: Russia, China and Brazil. The concerted strategy by the Masters of the Universe who dictate the rules in the Wall Street/Beltway axis is to undermine by all means the BRICS’s collective effort to produce a viable alternative to the global economic/financial system, which for the moment is subjected to casino capitalism. It’s unlikely Lula, by himself, will be able to stop them. *

Posted by: denk | Mar 19, 2016 10:43:06 PM | 119

Grieved @ 44, " Because they [the West] are powerless now. Russia has proved it.
Mission accomplished. Paradigm changed."

Grieved, Putin and Lavrov are immensely attractive in their appearance of morality and in their possession of that rare quality, gravitas. But:

1. If Russia is so powerful why does she not assume control of the creation of her own currency and credits? Almost all of South America and others would go with her into financial sovereignty in a flash. It could be pre-arranged. The failure to do so cripples development in so many countries. The labor of each country is compelled to compete against the others-- because the central bank system allows them to create their own currencies only in an amount equal to their export earnings. Thus is their internal economy inhibited and distorted. Starikov's free online book explains this & so much more.

2. Why does Russia not even speak of the desirability for nations to regain trade sovereignty?
No more tariffs. No more visas. Vastly more economic cooperation between Russia and the European Union. That's the vision presented by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin in an editorial contribution to the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung on Thursday.

"We propose the creation of a harmonious economic community stretching from Lisbon to Vladivostok," Putin writes. "In the future, we could even consider a free trade zone or even more advanced forms of economic integration. The result would be a unified continental market with a capacity worth trillions of euros."

Does this sound to you like sovereign countries which citizens might once again gain control over? What will they be voting on if monetary policy and trade policy are decided somewhere else? No visas? So it's just one big country? Is that different than the New World Order?

3. The US and Russia criticize each other. The US even accuses Russia of preparing war against Europe. The US tells us that the reason they are stationing more forces in Europe is as a preventive against Russia, knowing that all will see it also as a threat.

I personally never forget that every single item in the media is what people like Rothschild & Rockefeller & Soros want me to believe. That's why it's there. And so I make it a point to take away the words, and to ask what the actions alone might mean. The positioning of more forces on European soil might have an adjunct or even a different principal meaning. I don't have the answers but I think it's a mistake to think we have all the pieces.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 20, 2016 1:08:38 AM | 120

Well there we have it, those fine MOA “values” on display. That would be some quality old school jew-hatin’ there. I especially like the blaming of the victim, it's a classic riff.

I think the casual accusations against the Israelis of “genocide” are intended to dehumanize the "zionazis." The potential consequences of this sort of ideology are well known.

Yeah, it’s funny how when you know people from an ethnic or religious minority, you’re much less likely to want to see them brutally murdered. Like many urbanites from the East Coast, I do have friends and indeed family who are Jews. Well, at least by the Nazis standards for the later. My cousins' mother, a paternal aunt, was a shiksa. My uncle was a textile manager in the South in the 60's, and found it convenient to become a Methodist of Hebrew extraction.

Interestingly, the most ferverent supporters of the Israeli rightists are evangelical Christians. They're hoping to bring about the "End Times," in part.

Too bad I’m not a good fit with all you reticent, opinionless, ego-free shrinking violets. It seems to me serial reposting of one’s fantasy football greatest play list pretty much shrieks “ME, ME, ME, ME, ME!!!” over Disaster Area’s sound system.

Since you brought it up, I’d say the discussion ended a little earlier in that thread, with my nr. 59, when I smashed the Chamber of Hy-per-bo-le-le-le-le!.

Did you ever get some R&R with your collaborators on that cruise I recommended back then? Keeping up our official "List of Thoughts and Sites that Support Them, Approved for Use by Barflies at the Moon of Alabama (All Rights Reserved)" has got to be tiring.

Yaawwwwnnnnn -- Yeah, it gets boring, dealing with the same old smears. Such is life. Sleep it off, Barfly.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 1:29:33 AM | 121

Metamars @ 71

Interesting video thanks. It's amazing how early scientists realized the falsity of the AGW theory, but still couldn't prevail. The propaganda supporting the hoax has been really effective. It has so engaged people emotionally that they are STILL not able to examine the issue rationally. The polling shows everything from 70% do believe to 63% don't believe. Steve Goddard's site is really good at unmasking the actual fraud at NOAA & NASA.

Somewhere on his site is a collection of newspaper clippings where papers all over the country insist during the 1920s & 1930s that the ice of the Arctic, Greenland & even the Antarctic is going to disappear. I guess you can't blame people for not knowing about the 30-year oscillation between warming and cooling. They have no idea that 1934 is the hottest year on record-- because they still believe the hockey stick even tho it's been disproved for years.

Your comment about Exxon-Mobil: I know that the Rockefeller interests are behind the AGW hoax: Maurice Strong was their man in charge of UN environmental programs & he shepherded IPCC through. That's why the media & Obama are pushing AGW. It's not remotely possible that they could be defying the wishes of Big Oil or the Rockefeller interests. You see the completion of the global govt is more important than oil profits. At the 2010 Global Climate Conference they first proposed their program for more than 800 new bureaucracies to be run by the UN (really controlled by the oligarchy of course).

When they put thru the Federal Reserve Act they pretended to be against that, too. So the public relaxed its opposition since they thought the Federal Reserve Act must have the effect of reducing the bankers' powers. Same thing with AGW. They've been trying forever to control the development of nations thru controlling energy by wars & looting. Now they can do it thru bureaucracy & a segment of the public will WELCOME it.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 20, 2016 1:54:05 AM | 122

Paulo Noguiera @102,

Brazil needs what Venezuela needs, what Libya and Yemen and the US needs-- the removal from power of a few thousand Western oligarchs. Without them and with sovereign govts in the hands of their citizenries I believe we would begin at once to solve our problems. But Paulo, we must realize that the powers that be will continue to increase crises all over the world until we are desperate enough to accept their permanent rule. It will be presented as a utopian guaranteed freedom from war, possibly thru the UN, but it will actually be a much more extended rule by those who so beset the world today. Quite possibly they will try to push us into it with economic collapse or with a limited nuclear "war"-- just enough to create panic.

You can explain w great patience to us what is happening, but we are able to do nothing about it; all over the world the same group steals power & resources, wages war & destruction. There is only the one solution: distributed, limited power by ordinary people. The power cannot rest in supranational institutions like IMF, WTO, BIS, or the Fed/central bank system. We must bring the power home where ordinary people can influence the policies of their govt, and where that govt controls its own fiscal and trade policy.

However much technology has progressed we are still the same human creatures subject to the same errors, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It is the concentration of power which has brought us to this point, and nothing will suffice except to reverse it.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 20, 2016 5:56:08 AM | 123

Come on feel the noise!

Anyone with even a rudimentary acquaintance with GOP dog-whistling read this as a threat, like the folks at the Daily Banter.

Given that, as with his rallies, Trump merely suggests the worst possible scenario and his rabid yokel fans take it from there and make it happen, Trump's warning may as well be a threat. Because that's exactly what it is.

Or as they translated it back in Trump's original Brooklynese, "Nice political party you got here. Be ashamed if something happened to it." He says he won't be leading his promised riots, but "bad things would happen."

Now if he did not want riots, all he would have to do is say so. So perhaps "called for riots" is too strong for our shrinking violets. Such delicate sensibilities might prefer it referenced as "endorsed riots."

Here's a helpful map of present franchises for "Donald Trump(TM) Make America Great Again(TM) Riots."

And they will apparently come in First & Second Amemndment brands. "We are going to win with our Second Amendment! We’re gonna win big league with our Second Amendment!" The ammo consumption will be huuuuuuuge!

Is there No One Receiving the radio's splintered wave?

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 9:59:02 AM | 124

Well there we have it, those fine MOA “values” on display. That would be some quality old school jew-hatin’ there. I especially like the blaming of the victim, it's a classic riff.

I think the casual accusations against the Israelis of “genocide” are intended to dehumanize the "zionazis." The potential consequences of this sort of ideology are well known.
Yaawwwwnnnnn -- Yeah, it gets boring, dealing with the same old smears. Such is life. Sleep it off, Barfly.
Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 1:29:33 AM | 122

Wake up, Rufus, the accusations of genocide against the FreeLand Land-ers are well-documented. Have you no humanity? Your Favourite Holocaust lasted 6 years. FreeLand Land's (Chosen) Holocaust began 70 years ago with no end to the theft, bullshit and brutality in sight.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 20, 2016 10:36:55 AM | 125

I still think you're an alter-ego of Caroline (We Con The World) Glick, Rufus.
Wa-ay too much studious, theatrical, blokiness.
Blokes don't forget that they're blokes. And they certainly don't need to keep reminding themselves (or their audience) that they're male.
You're the ONLY person here who has EVER done it, and you've done it a lot.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 20, 2016 11:19:47 AM | 126


You went too far and diverged from rebuking jfl. Lets parse what you wrote:

Did I just wander into a hyperbolic chamber?

OK this makes the point that jfl's comparison of Israel to Nazi's is exaggerated.

One down, just under 12 mil. to go....

This is offensive. "One down" is callous at best and "just under 12mil. to go" denigrates the death of this innocent bystander. You refusal to acknowledge that is deplorable.

If you had said something like: The Nazi's were much more brutal and killed many more people, or: they'd have to kill millions to be anything like the Nazis, then you wouldn't have been offensive.

If they expect to beat the jihadis, they will need to pick up the pace.

This veers well away from responding to jfl. Now you are comparing Israel to non-state actors.

Referring to killing innocents as a sport is offensive, even if the pretense is that you are in a "hyperbolic chamber". Its like joking about fat people - only much worse. And a STATE is a bedrock of civilization and held to a higher standard.

The effect of your remarks, 'hyperbolic chamber' or not, is to excuse state murder.

You contextualized your offensive remark when you described your point of view a few comments down-thread:

The general conflict is between the Israelis and the Arab and Islamic World. I believe that ISIS/ISIL and the Wahabists, and Shia Iran as well, have their aim the retaking of Palestine.

So your veering off is not about some faux competition, but about justifying the death of an innocent in a wider, very real, conflict.

For 5 months you have repeatedly defended your indefensible "wisecrack" with all manner of Bullsh!t evasions and excuses. And you're still at it.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 20, 2016 11:35:30 AM | 127

Well.. Does anyone know where Lone Wolf and Sun Tsu hang out now..?

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 20, 2016 2:33:42 PM | 128

Thank you pantaraxia & Denk for bringing me up to date on South America.
I hadn't realized how much things have changed.

But Denk they aren't targeting the BRICS because the BRICS sant to "undermine by all means the BRICS’s collective effort to produce a viable alternative to the global economic/financial system, which for the moment is subjected to casino capitalism."

The BRICS said their Development Bank was complementary to the system already in place. I don't know why so many internet sites told you that they are an alternative. Every fact and action says otherwise:

March 2013 Putin : "BRICS members advocate the creation of a more balanced and just system of global economic relations. The emerging markets are interested in long-term sustainable economic growth worldwide and reforms of the financial and economic architecture to make it more efficient. This is reflected in last year's joint decision to contribute $75 billion to the IMF lending program, thus increasing the participation of the fastest growing economies in the Fund's authorized capital."

They shouldn’t, but the power balance within the BRICS today seems to dictate a sub-imperialist stance in relation to global finance, instead of an anti-imperialist one. To illustrate, the two men the Pretoria regime just deployed to co-direct the BRICS New Development Bank go to Shanghai from high-paid jobs at, you guessed it, Goldman Sachs-Johannesburg: Leslie Maasdorp and Tito Mboweni.

6/3/15 " modus operandi of both institutions revealed that neither of them stimulates the process of de-dollarization [1]. The credits of the New Development Bank are denominated in US dollars. The same goes for the liquidity that the Contingent Reserve Arrangement provides. Furthermore, the endorsement of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) will be necessary to act as a stabiliser for the BRICS’ balances of payment.
"China only stimulates the use of the yuan by means of bilateral agreements and by that wastes the extraordinary potential of its institutions for the financing of infrastructure, which are mostly supported by emerging economies. The operations of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), the Silk Road Fund, and the BRICS’ New Development Bank all take place in US dollars."
The author, Ariel Noyola Rodríguez, Says that currency swaps among the five (except Russia/China) haven't occurred cuz trade & investment among them is tiny. She outlines the steps necessary to turn BRICS into a force for change
Are the BRICS effective serving as sub-imperialists by better integrating the regions into global neoliberal capitalism? Or are they empowering emerging economies by offering a wider range of economic choice?
It also implies that we can expect greater variation in macroeconomic policy with different states and regions making these choices in different ways. However, what constitutes a significant difference from the neoliberal norm is a matter of vigorous debate.

Given the elite bias of most policies, this politics does not necessarily lead to democratic political outcomes such as greater democracy at home. It is better understood in terms of greater pluralism in elite forums of international politics and economics.

Sorry, Denk. I wish it were otherwise. The truth is that NOBODY's got our back, and we are going to have to do it ourselves.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 20, 2016 3:11:42 PM | 129

Denk, here's more:

7/12/15 BRICS DEV BANK: Beijing’s emergency bail-out measures represent vast subsidies to financiers, just like those used in Washington, London, Brussels and Tokyo since 2007.
Change is urgently needed yet the BRICS’ finance bureaucrats – especially two leading appointees from South Africa – won’t deviate from orthodoxy. Ongoing financial turbulence should offer a gap for the $100 billion Contingent Reserve Arrangement (CRA), which is anticipated to open its doors next month. However, it carries not only a strange name that even many insider experts often get wrong, but is dollar-denominated and structurally hard-wired to support the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

To illustrate," according to CRA rules agreed at last year’s BRICS Fortaleza summit, after 30% of a country’s quota is borrowed – based on double the amount of its own contributions (China at $41 billion, and Brazil, Russia and India at $18 billion each, and South Africa at $5 billion) – then the borrower must next sign a neoliberal IMF agreement."

the BRICS delegation included its chief, Kundapur Vaman Kamath, IMF’s Executive Director and new Vice President of the BRICS bank Paulo Nogueira Batista, Russia’s Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Storchak and the head of state bank Vnesheconombank (VEB), Vladimir Dmitriev

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 20, 2016 3:21:30 PM | 130

"Turkey decends into chaos". Is this a deliberate attempt of Erdogan to destabilze Turkey and justify a more and more intrusive state ?

(in german)

Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 20, 2016 4:22:39 PM | 131

I feel for the dispossessed Palestinians; please recall my support for an end to settlements and the right of return. But as of yet, no mass exterminations. And Islamic warriors presently are doing by far most of the sheeding of Moslem blood.

And of course, how many centuries of hatred preceded the Holocaust? It was already white hot during the Black Death.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 4:39:07 PM | 132


More excuses. The rufass Show goes on.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 20, 2016 5:17:45 PM | 133

@133, but the shtetl walls have fallen. Jews are free to choose any sort of life. Why would anyone want to shut himself in a self-imposed one, Israel, like some sort of cultist? Cannot be good for Jews.

Posted by: ruralito | Mar 20, 2016 5:34:25 PM | 134

Well, oddly, they didn't feel welcome in Europe. Just 'cause many of their neighbors wanted to exterminate 'em. Go figure.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 6:25:09 PM | 135

@136 rufus, i am curious if you think the zionist idea of a homeland for the jewish was a mistake in retrospect?

also, i am curious if you see present day israel as racist... thanks in advance for any response you'd like to provide..

Posted by: james | Mar 20, 2016 6:31:55 PM | 136

interview with henry threadgill that the odd person might find interesting.. it is on ethan iversons website - piano player for the bad plus and etc...

Posted by: james | Mar 20, 2016 6:33:58 PM | 137

in re 137

Though my answers are generally dismissed, I will, once again, supply them.

It is difficult to see how the demand for a Jewish state after the Holocaust could have been resisted. It was established by the consensus of world opinion through the United Nations in 1948, and its borders reaffirmed in 1967. Attempting to reverse that decision strikes me as impractical and unwise.

The greatest mistake to date has been our pretending to be "an honest broker" while pretty flagrantly having our big fat thumb on the Israeli side of the scale. Particularly and especially by our support for the settlements. Their dismantling would be a key "Transitional Demand" capable of changing the political dynamics of the region for the better.

Any nationalism is by definition hostile to "The Other." While certainly any number of the numerous extremists amongst the settlers are racist, I would not presently call the aggressively nationalistic Israeli state racist.

Perhaps you would agree that Islam, by making non-believers formally, permanently second class citizens, shares this fault as well.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 7:49:27 PM | 138

Censoring Palestinian Maps

What is the difference between a textbook publisher giving-in to pressure from Christian fundamentalists seeking to censor the teaching of evolution, and a publisher giving into Zionists seeking to censor awareness of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine? Neither phenomenon is a matter of opinion or perspective.

One act of censorship denies facts established by scientific research. The other denies the documented violation of international law (for instance, the Fourth Geneva Convention) and multiple United Nations resolutions. So the answer to the question just asked is – there is no difference.

The Palestinian maps that came under criticism

In early March 2016, executives at McGraw-Hill took the extreme step of withdrawing from the market a published text, Global Politics: Engaging a Complex World, and then proceeded to destroy all the remaining books held in inventory. (Did they burn them?)

Apparently the book was obliterated (this seems to be an accurate description of the publisher’s actions) because, like a biology text that describes the established facts of evolution, Global Politics offered a “lens to view the world” that was judged blasphemous by a powerful, influential and ideologically driven element of the community.

Posted by: jfl | Mar 20, 2016 8:01:49 PM | 139

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it obligatory on all Muslims to fight for the return of Jerusalem, as a religious duty? I think this conference believes it to be so. And who are the most active forces in the field on this side?

If the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant has no eventual designs on Jerusalem, they're wasting their time and money on the Sheikh Omar Hadid Brigade.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 8:11:22 PM | 140

Yawn -- Woke up long enough for a little Holocaust denial, I see. It will be easier to drive them to the sea if it's forgotten, no?

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 8:13:23 PM | 141

Human Rights Watch calls on Bahrain to stop deporting citizens

"Bahrain should stop the deportations immediately and restore citizenship to those who have been left stateless, especially when this was done without justification or because they criticized their government," he added.

The New York-based rights group says the tiny Persian Gulf kingdom has deported at least five people after revoking their citizenship and leaving them stateless since February 21.

The US State Department's mouthpiece has had its attention directed to the GCC states? What does this new projection of concern bode for the area? HRW's protestations are worthless in themselves, but they serve to signal some new turn of the rusty wheels within the 'minds' at State? Nothing good can come from turning wheels at State.

Posted by: jfl | Mar 20, 2016 8:19:04 PM | 142

I feel for the dispossessed Palestinians; please recall my support for an end to settlements and the right of return. But as of yet, no mass exterminations.
Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 4:39:07 PM | 133

Numb isn't a feeling, Rufus.
How numb do you "feel" about Palestinians in FreeLand Land having to pass through Checkpoints to visit neighbors, go to the shop/ school/ work/ market/ doctor?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 20, 2016 9:04:22 PM | 143

Yeah, let's forget the reason the state was founded, their vows of "never again" and the resulting "Masada complex." Nor the nuclear weapons to make good on their threats.

As I noted, my opposition to the settlements and the brutality needed to preserve them goes for naught. Like I said, same old shit, pretty boring.

And why the murderous hostility, I wonder? More honest Hamas shitheadery? Or is it just part of the Protocol?

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 9:06:42 PM | 144

Cowboy --

I would have thought my repeated calls for an end to settlements and reparations for all the damages done to Palestinian lands and properties signaled that I was far from "numb."

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 9:11:06 PM | 145

Willy2 @ 132,

You're right, it COULD be that Erdogan is doing it himself as a pretext for marshal law.
But I've been predicting for a time that TPTB want Turkey weakened and partitioned. After all, they are taking the US & EU down economically, and they'd scarcely want Turkey to be proportionally stronger. Dark days for the Turkish people.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 20, 2016 9:49:27 PM | 146

rufus @148: ... far from numb.

Then you support the BDS Movement?

Israel will not change unless pressured. And BDS is nonviolent.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 20, 2016 10:27:58 PM | 147


I thought you got that from Thierry Meyssan? Who some believe to be a source of disinfo.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 20, 2016 10:31:48 PM | 148

in re 150 --

I believe I previously stated my support for them, noting that the strident attacks against the movement suggest that the Israeli state sees the threat to its position. It is likely the best vehicle to end American support for the settlements.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 10:50:22 PM | 149


You support the Boycott, Divest, Sanction Israel Movement (aka BDS Movement) but you can't retract an offensive statement that you made when a Palestinian was unjustly killed?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 20, 2016 11:34:40 PM | 150

@139 rufus.. thanks for what seems to me like an honest reply on your part. i get the impression - right or wrong - that you don't understand just how bad the reality on the ground is for those who aren't jewish and happen to live in or next to israel.. i know what you mean about nationalism being a problem, however this experiment of creating countries is a relatively new phenomenon and has been going on for a few hundred years max, all the while empires have come and gone... what i think distinguishes israel is the prioritizing of a religion with a nation to the point where those who practice other faiths are viewed as 2nd class citizens or worse.. i see israel as a very troubled country at present and in a dangerous place, perhaps due some the heady mix of jewish orthodoxy ( which has been expanding rapidly) in combo with a very right wing political ideology that is intolerant of alternative views of how israel could move forward..

bottom line for me is 2 wrongs don't make something right... it seems more then ironic adherents to israel nationalism - based on a religious identity and who have suffered persecution, would in turn want to inflict something similar on others... but i think that is what has been happening.. it would seem like a horrible basis for thinking israel is somehow moving forward when in fact it looks like it wants to reenact the past it is supposed to be still running from... i say this partly for the impression i have of the extent of the ongoing focus on the holocaust,- museums, movies, media coverage and etc that is ongoing on the plight and suffering of the jewish culture when in fact the story of today is much more about the plight and suffering of the palestinian people at the hands of israel... it seems like this historical past is being used like a sledgehammer to stop any type of dissent on israels actions under the guise that it is all 'anti-semite'.. lots of folks aren't buying this anymore..

i don't have an answer and i am sure i have said too much for which my views will be picked apart accordingly.. i would personally prefer to think of a culture - jewish culture - as not intimately tied up with a newly created nation, but this is what zionism ideology seems to hold to as a means of continuing to protect itself and as a pretext for removing any threat to it's existence.. i can't see it working in the long run and increasingly view israel as a very dangerous and problematic country at this point in history.. i don't know the way forward, but stopping the direction it is going in would be a first step.. i don't see this happening either... rufus - thank you for your response..

Posted by: james | Mar 20, 2016 11:40:33 PM | 151

in re 153 --

You had a similar reaction when I answered you earlier on this. I doubt folks will retract their loose serial accusations of an Israeli "Holocaust" by the "zionazis." Ergo, I see no reason to retract my reaction to that nonsense. You offer me offense, I'm ready, willing, and able to return the favor.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 20, 2016 11:52:40 PM | 152

james at 154 --

First, thanks for your good will in appreciating the sincerity of my response.

I fully understand the realities of the occupation. I have repeatedly stated that the brutality needed to maintain the the illegal settlements drives much of the trouble in the region. I see the reports of groves being destroyed, of walls cutting off villagers from their fields, of bogus property deals depriving Palestinians of their property, of long prison terms for children throwing stones.

Isn't it the case in the Islamic world that all non-believers are permanently second class citizens? What about this mixing of religion and culture?

If you look at nationalism, quite often religion and culture are closely linked in national identity. Look for example at the Irish (this came about only in the aftermath of the failure of Home Rule) or of the Poles. A dangerous, volatile mix -- those sky-people can be a little inscrutable and cruel -- but not uncommon.

I would not disagree that in their effort to prevent further victimization, the Israelis are drifting towards becoming more and more like their previous tormentors. But I see their patrons in Washington and the increasingly assertive Saudis as being the problematic states in the region. It's only our backing that enables the worst of Israeli brutality, and the Saudis and their Gulf clients are actively destabilizing the Arabian Peninsula.

And I would suggest, held rightly or wrongly, the "Masada complex" makes anything like a military victory over the Israelis impossible. Similarly, though, Tel Aviv cannot keep the Arabs divided indefinitely. The region can be brought to peace, and the Palestinians rights restored, but it will take a much stronger effort by Washington to dictate to our client in Tel Aviv, and not vice versa. BDS could achieve the necessary political mass.

It is a sad reality that some criticism of Israel is motivated by anti-semitism. And that the Israelis attempt to deflect some legitimate criticism by labelling it anti-semitism. Some folks don't play fair, we all need to keep our wits about us.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 21, 2016 12:28:47 AM | 153

@156 rufus.. thanks.. right back at you in appreciation of your response here as well..

i don't know the answer to your question regarding the islamic world and non-believers being viewed as 2nd class citizens.. i don't believe it's the case especially if i base it on my own travels in muslim countries, but i don't know.. it could be the nature of all religious followers, but i doubt it..

isis certainly functions this way.. i think it's the level of intolerance of others coming out of a religious ideology that frightens ordinary people.. i am naive enough to think tolerance might be a byproduct of religion, but know this isn't the case with fundamentalism of any kind and especially the fanatical and puritanical ideology of wahabbi..

other countries like the usa haven't been helpful in moving israel in a different direction - just the opposite - downright treacherous might be a better way to characterize their involvement.. europe, canada and most western countries have been much the same.. no one has articulated a way forward, least of all israel who seem to be hell bent on driving straight towards the ditch of greater conflict and suffering..

thanks for your last paragraph which i fully agree with..

Posted by: james | Mar 21, 2016 1:06:11 AM | 154

rufus @155:

You offer me offense, I'm ready, willing, and able to return the favor.
jfl didn't direct an offensive remark at you. He exaggerated Israel's crimes against the Palestinians with a comparison that is meant to strike a chord with jews. One may well argue that it is exactly that kind of embarrassing reproach that deters Israel from worse crimes.

And you didn't "return the favor" by attacking jfl, you defended Israel by minimizing and justifying the death of an innocent.

You have a warped sense of self if you conflate yourself with Israel. Many Zionists seem to do so. In fact, I've called you a Zionist several times since you returned and you have not objected to it.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 21, 2016 1:58:58 AM | 155

rufus @152:

I believe I previously stated my support for them ... It is likely the best vehicle to end American support for the settlements.
I see that you didn't name BDS in your answer. And your last sentence is troubling because you have previously said that you believed that BDS should target AMERICA. As you are no-doubt aware, such an effort against America is much less likely to be effective.

Please clarify. Do you support the BDS Movement's call for a

> boycott of Israeli good and services?

> divestment from Israel-based companies and government entities?

> sanctions on Israel?

Please link to the BDS Movement in your answer to show your support. Thanks.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 21, 2016 2:21:07 AM | 156

Isn't it the case in the Islamic world that all non-believers are permanently second class citizens? What about this mixing of religion and culture?

-No. Not in most secular countries with a muslim majority. Ask Iranian jews about their status in Iran. Or Copts in Egypt or Druzes in Lebanon or.. You get the point. They are treated as second class citizen in Salafi or Wahabbi aligned Gulf monarchies or Turkey, interestingly enough countries who support yet the removal of a government in another secular country known for its religious tolerance, Syria.

-With that said, to say the US is responsable for Israel's more aggressive behavior of late because of a lack of assertiveness or other some such excuse is being (purposely?) ignorant of the parasitic symbiosis that exists between the two states. The vacuous back and forth between Tel Aviv and Washington for a sortie de crise is just a show and food for bloggers while what little is left of the Pentapolis becomes unhinhabitable and Yerushalaim is reclaimed..

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 21, 2016 2:27:46 AM | 157

pen 130

if china isnt an alternative to the mou then why is it attacked relentlessly ?
are u saying the snake attacks china cuz its *on board* ?!!! [your words]


*It’s no coincidence that three major BRICS nations are simultaneously under attack — on myriad levels: Russia, China and Brazil. The concerted strategy by the Masters of the Universe who dictate the rules in the Wall Street/Beltway axis is to undermine by all means the BRICS’s collective effort to produce a viable alternative to the global economic/financial system, *

what about that elephant in the room ?
india has never been attacked by the mou ever.

in the mali *terrorists* attack, there were dozens of murkkans, another couple dozens of indians in the hostages. but the terrarists singled out chinese and russians for execution !

fleming's fundamental law of probability says
*once is accident, twice might be coincidence, thrice......*

does the i in brics stand for immunity ?

is it cuz the elephant has three legs already firmly planted in the zwo camp, or is it three n a half ???

us ambassador to india, richard verma
*India's leadership is sorely needed in the Asia-Pacific region, and the United States is prepared to cooperate with India "as never before" on the high seas,* [1]

wow !
looks like the sheriff just appointed a new deputy , make way australia !

*cooperate with india on the high seas* !
hmmm, whats with all these talks about a murkkan/indian/jp joint exercise off the ph coast ?
i heard even ph itself say nyet to it cuz its too fucking provocative !



Posted by: denk | Mar 21, 2016 3:46:41 AM | 158

in re 156 --

I tire of your peremptory demands for information. I have given my answer. Go away.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 21, 2016 8:00:19 AM | 159

Lozion at 157 --

So we would agree that in non-secular states, these conditions might obtain. Rationalwiki has this helpful list of Islamic theocracies.

Brunei (on 1 May 2014, strict sharia law was introduced and applies to both Muslims and non-Muslims)
Iran (specifically Shia)
Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
Aceh (part of Indonesia)
Parts of Somalia are de jure secular but de facto ruled by theocratic courts
Several states of Nigeria

On Iran specifically, it says this -

Iran is a very weird country. Thanks to Ayatollah Khomeini, it is run through interpretation of Muslim doctrine and religiously-favored policies characteristic of much of the Middle East, but it is not nearly as fundamentalist as its biggest rival Saudi Arabia....

It is democratic in appearance; men and women, young and old may vote in elections, and minorities (Zoroastrians, Christians, Jews) ostensibly have full political rights along with a seat in parliament. In practice, the democratic features are very limited. Many members of parliament are Muslim scholars, most Presidents are themselves clerics, and presidential candidates are vetted by the Supreme Leader.

So I personally would not call it secular. It doesn't say, but is their testimony in court also discounted? I understand that the Koran says an infidel's word is not to be taken over a believer's.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 21, 2016 8:13:49 AM | 160

rufus @159

I am appalled by your constant deceptions.

The rufass Show goes on. rufass jester, contortionist fool manipulates the truth for fun and profit.

Saddly james bought a ticket. Got scammed.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 21, 2016 8:36:48 AM | 161

congrats.....uncle sham just added five more bases under its belt !

the unitedsnake officially granted ph independence in 1947,.
but hardly did uncle sham left the front door when its already scheming to get its ass back thru the back door !
as usual, the snake would use every dirty trick to get its way.
one of the oldest trick in the snake's playbook is.....terrorism !

u cant put a good man down for long i guess,
the world's biggest and meanest mofo always gets its way, doesnt it ?

Posted by: denk | Mar 21, 2016 12:36:00 PM | 162

barely one day after a murkkan goon in okinawa raped a jp woman in a hotel....

god's army in jp chalked up another point in their long n glorious occupation.

a gi [not okinawa this time !] molest and assault a jp student on a plane.

the jp police couldnt touch him of cause, murkkan goons in vassal states are protected by the sofa clause.

i might've more to add moro barring unforseen circumstances.


i heard modi is pondering to offer base for its washington
mentor, hehehehe

Posted by: denk | Mar 21, 2016 1:42:24 PM | 163

@160 I should've added to my prior post the following query: Why do you ask? How are other nations problems justifying decisions by Israel regarding Palestine? The Koran is not the subject discussed here. The plight of Palestinians is. Shifting focus, nice but tiring little ploy Ruf..

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 21, 2016 2:10:06 PM | 164

Pentagon to train more rebels for Syria

Posted by: Les | Mar 21, 2016 2:10:58 PM | 165

@161 jackrabbit.. i wish to be on good terms with people.. i remain fluid on any poster and their motive and character.. nothing is written in stone with me.. finding peace is something we all have to do.. i so far as we are able to do it individually - it will have a collective impact.. cheers james

Posted by: james | Mar 21, 2016 2:55:21 PM | 166

james @166:

i wish to be on good terms with people ...

Yeah, me too. But I kinda draw the line when someone makes a habit of lying and manipulating others. I don't know what you're experience has been, but I find that such people are generally adverse to the interests of most people.

finding peace is something we all have to do ...

I think you'll find that there are most people want peace. Many of them want to impose their conception of peace on you.

I believe in nonviolence but not unilateral surrender.

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Peace is not the absence of conflict. It is the presence of justice.

- Martin Luther King

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 21, 2016 7:00:07 PM | 167

in re 161

Me, I’m just appalled at you constantly.

I am disinclined to accede to your demand for a number of reasons. First being, simply because you’ve demanded it. I dislike having my thoughts dictated to me. Especially by ill-informed people dumber and less articulate than myself.

How is it deceptive to blow off your demands that I regurgitate your magic formula? It’s not my problem that you can’t see the obvious. Or rather, that you affect to need "clarificiation" because you're a nasty, self-important, humorless, solipsistic prig.

I’m no Zionist, just a pinko goy with Jewish friends and family. And a strong dislike for bad Holocaust analogies.

You keeping falling back on weaker and more bizarre arguments in your failed personal crusade. I have no standing to object, because I'm not the State of Israel? Really?

The remark was posted to the general public on a public website. I found it offensive; one need not be the State of Israel or even a Jew to object. It is a bad analogy and is calculated to dehumanize, and so I sincerely doubt the loaded language gains any sympathy.

As I argued back when this was originally discussed, I did not think the death was a police murder. And even if it and all deaths at the hands of the Israeli occupation were, they’re at least 11 mil. down from the fascists. Nor are they keeping up with the assorted jihadis. Their continuing murders of apostates and unbelievers are putting up some serious numbers. At least the IDF doesn’t rape the widows.

We’re the biggest supporter of the Israelis, so don’t you think we need to give the green light before jack shit will happen?

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 21, 2016 7:11:43 PM | 168

further to my 160 --

You seem to be speaking, disingenuously, from a religious perspective.

Many who have problems with Israeli racism seem to have nothing to say about the discrimination demanded by the Koran and get all huffy when questioned about it.

From the conference announcement referenced above.

The Organization of Islamic Cooperation... [is convening] the Summit is a response to the urgent and persistent worrying situation in Palestine and Al-Quds Al-Sharif, which affects not only the Palestinian people, but also the world’s Islamic Ummah.

So I think it not an unfair question to consider what Islam might be contemplating for Palestine's future. This question typically gets overlooked in favor of fierce denunciations of the "zionazis."

You’re not returning Al-Quds to say, the Romans or Alexander’s successors, but to Muslims, correct? How will this change come about?

If the Israelis are removed, won’t it be Islamic Arabs moving in? And more likely than not, it would be the religious fanatics of Hamas/ISIL rather than the secularists of PLO/PFLP. And so what sort of government or society might we expect there?

And dare we ask what is proposed for the existing populations of "uninhabitable" Pentapolis? BTW, to which do your refer? Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, Zeboim, and Zoar? Or Gaza, Gath, Ascalon, Ashdod, and Ekron? Presumably not Cyrenaica or Northern Italy.

We Americans have long declined to rein in our client. See, e.g., the assault on the USN recon ship Liberty during the 1967 War.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 21, 2016 7:48:44 PM | 169

in re 167 --


"Many of them want to impose their conception of peace on you." Ironic, since you have no problem attempting to impose your concepts on any number of subjects upon others.

"I believe in nonviolence but not unilateral surrender." But only non-violence by states, non-state actors get to be as thuggish as they wish. Riots by Trump supporters will be fine, until he's elected.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 21, 2016 7:59:26 PM | 170

@167 jackrabbit.. if i think someone is lying and manipulating me, i generally always move on, as it is more productive letting go of someones bs then constantly dwelling on it...

i'm not into imposing my idea of freedom on you, if that is what you are implying.. i am curious.. do you think i've surrendered to rufus by communicating with him here as i have?

i see the back and forth between you and rufus as 'collectively' unresolved at this point.. i am personally moving on.. i don't believe this is surrender, but maybe you see it as such.. oh well.. all the best jr - i am going to let you have the last word here, unless you ask me a specific question.. one final comment.. i think you are wasting your time and your comments are arousing hostility more then they are any kind of peace or chance at a resolution... i am not saying rufus is a peace maker here either. i haven't followed both of your back and forth, so some of my comments can be picked apart accordingly. cheers james

Posted by: james | Mar 21, 2016 9:11:38 PM | 171

The rufass jester Show continues...

No truth is too sacred, no position too sound, no logic too straightforward for rufass to contort as he goes about his foolish task.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 21, 2016 9:33:05 PM | 172

james at 171 --

Well, I sought to take FTB's advice at 170 and give it a rest. You will note that earlier at 159 I had attempted to be quietly, graciously conciliatory. I noted that while I thought it a terribly bad idea, anecdotal evidence offered by my wife suggested at least some Sanderistas were thinking of using the "issue" of Mrs. Clinton's server, which our interlocutor considered legit. You can see where that got me.

I found plenue's post at 165 in that same thread most gratifying. "I understood his point when he made it, you've had four months to actually comprehend what he was saying and you've been unable to take off your blinders in all that time." And so our interlocutor had at plenue and FTB as well, though not quite so abusively.

My posts of late are largely about present issues, such as Trump's non-call for non-riots. But being an atheist, I don't turn the cheek every time ancient, scurrilous but failed attacks get re-re-re-reposted.

I thought our exchange was productive, but I do not fault your desire not to be caught in the crossfire.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 21, 2016 10:56:39 PM | 173

rufass jester pats himself on the back. A job well done.

Such a swell guy. Lies like a rug... but oh so gracious when he thinks he can win points.

There's no "crossfire", there's rufus' refusal to acknowledge that he wrote something offensive as I described @108 and @127, his pretense at being objective (like saying that he supports BDS - >> - when he doesn't), and his attacking me for pointing these things out.

His contortions are so foolish that they've become purely entertainment. The Show continues ...

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 21, 2016 11:42:06 PM | 174

in re 174 --

You really don't seem to be paying attention. See my 107 above.

When I made my smartass wisecrack, I hoped it would be offensive. I find the characterization of present Israeli policy as some sort of "Holocaust" or "genocide" offensive.

I did not excuse my sarcasm, I reveled in it. I always do.

More than glad to check that box for you. Again. But no so much your apology form or questionnaire on BDS. "You only said boycott! And you mentioned America! Oh... my... god...!"

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 22, 2016 12:15:15 AM | 175

Oh, I nearly forgot -- in memoriam Keith Emerson. "Lucky Man" is my favorite track of ELP's (awesome synth solo), but this seems more appropriate. Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends!

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 22, 2016 12:19:38 AM | 176

So, some blowback in Belgium airport.

Count to ten and we'll hear that (a) "Putin Did it!"; (b) NATO needs to invade Syria; and (c) the Pentagon needs double the budget.

The chickens are obviously coming home to roost...

Posted by: x | Mar 22, 2016 5:26:32 AM | 177

rufus @176:


Just another of your many excuses.Here a list of some of the previous ones. It took you 4 months to think of this latest one.

And this latest one makes no sense - just as the previous one's.

You tell us that you support the two-state solution and BDS and generally sympathize with the Palestinians but ...

> you won't take back a remark that minimizes the death of an innocent and excuses state murder;
You say that you meant to be offensive. But why offend an innocent and a people that you support (not fully but in a significant way). And your offense actually detracts from your intended rebuke to jfl. This makes no sense.

> you won't clarify your position on BDS when asked.

This would be easy for anyone that really does support BDS.

Why prolong the back-and-forth between us when you could easily clarify these things? You have spent months defending your so-called "wise-crack" when you could simply retract it. Instead, you double-down on a hurtful remark that offends people that you say you support.

Given your adamant defense of a hateful comment, it is only natural to question your supposed support for BDS - but once again you act irrationally. You could save us from more back-and-forth by a simple clarification.

The rufass Show goes on.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 22, 2016 10:00:07 AM | 178

I was watching a South Front video - Foreign Policy Diary – China expands security reach in Central Asia - just now and wonder about the one-belt/one-road project of China's ... according to this view the one-road passes through Russia ... from Europe only.

I don't know if any of you have insight into this or not. It may be something South Front has just made up ... although I think they'd be going the other way on including Russia ... unless they'd (Russia'd) prefer not to have a Chinese road through all that empty space in Asian Russia. Which actually makes a lot of sense to me.

What are your thoughts on this. It's just one video from one outlet? Or have you all seen similar elsewhere?

Posted by: jfl | Mar 22, 2016 10:40:52 AM | 179

@179 jfl... don't know about that.. generally i never watch videos... if i see anything in writing, i will let you know..

Posted by: james | Mar 22, 2016 12:09:55 PM | 180

jack-rabid, 176

I am disinclined to satisfy any more of your incessant demands for answers that are either deliberately misconstrued or ignored. I see nothing that I need to withdraw or for which to apologize. The probability that I will relent is infinitely small.

You tire of the back and forth? Then stop hectoring me with abusive questions and attempts to force my regurgitation of your ill-found opinions.

The ball is in your court, let’s hope it stays there.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 22, 2016 6:48:38 PM | 181


Your evasive bullshit and stonewalling speak volumes. That is not something that you can ever take back or apologize for. It will follow you forever.

My vindication - and your enduring shame - will come from every chuckle, every grimace, every shake of the head that your bullshit prompts from the people of current and future generations.

I expect more of the same from you because 'contortionist fool' is just who you are. That you disgrace yourself and diminish your agenda only adds to the hilarity.

The rufass Show goes.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 22, 2016 8:45:25 PM | 182

hillary *enforcer* clinton
*no way im gonna let my grandchildren live in a world dominated by those awful chinese* !


well mdm *i came, i saw, he died* dowager ,

as far as i can see, *those awful chinese* are far from *dominating the world*, matter of fact, they have been too busy dodging the snake's death grip !

i also cant imagine the chinese ambassador having the gall to *summon* a front running prez candiate in a host country to demand his loyalty to beijing, there's only one country that claims such *heavenly mandate* !

*Why the American Embassy in Manila would want to summon a front running presidential candidate regarding his China policy at this early?

What if a candidate is not committed to their interests in the region, are they going to assassinate him at this period of the campaign, or sabotage the elections away from his favor?

The White House understands this growing grassroots’ departure from US exceptionalism and the move towards geopolitical independence, and it is now trying to intimidate the people’s candidate even this early in the election campaign.

[the smear campaign is already on....]

The stupid presidency of BS Aquino will be filing criminal cases against Duterte as dictated by his puppet masters at the US embassy.

“Allies of President Benigno Aquino III are preparing to file charges against PDP-Laban presidential bet Rodrigo Duterte for his supposed role and involvement in extrajudicial killings as mayor of Davao City.* [1]


rings a bell ?

pro beijing nepalese king birendra removed by cia/raw with *extreme termination*

sri lankan prez ousted by cia/raw, now stalked by unhcr for *war crimes*,

thai prez yingluck ousted by *swarming adolescents*, now facing corruption charges,

malaysian pm najib reeling from a concerted media smear campaign led by war street journal ?

brazil's ex prez lula publicly humuliated, somebody wanna sabotage his 2018 election bid ?

what's the common thread to these gents ?
their friendship with *those awful chinese* !

etc etc...................
just the tip of an iceberg !

Johnnie Carson, U.S. assistant secretary for African Affairs,
*China is a “very aggressive and pernicious economic competitor with no morals.*



take care mr Duterte, from now on u've a bullseye painted on your back !

ditto to, dozens of progressive writers have been summoned to their creators lately,
many sites sabotaged, attacked, co-opted, especially those doing *con theories*

Posted by: denk | Mar 22, 2016 9:00:28 PM | 183

typo @182

The rufass Show goes on (and on, and on, and on, ...).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 22, 2016 10:12:32 PM | 184

hillary *enforcer* clinton
*no way im gonna let my grandchildren live in a world dominated by those awful chinese* !


well hillary *human rights * clinton,

i dun think its the chinese who did this to the chagosians ?

David Vine on the ethnic cleansing of Diego Garcia
"First, they tried to shoot the dogs. Next, they tried to poison them with strychnine. When both failed as efficient killing methods, British government agents and U.S. Navy personnel used raw meat to lure the pets into a sealed shed. Locking them inside, they gassed the howling animals with exhaust piped in from U.S. military vehicles. Then, setting coconut husks ablaze, they burned the dogs’ carcasses as their owners were left to watch and ponder their own fate." -

after exiling the chagosians to some god forsaken hell hole 3000 miles away, fukus proceeded to turn this unesco endorsed natural treasure into a monstrous military concrete jungle, the destruction of the original eco system was epic.

here comes the kicker !
when the chagosians finally got a court verdict to be repatriated back to diego garcia, fukus screamed,
*nothing doing, see, we've converted diago garcia into a protected *marine park*, no humans allowed * !

those who kicked out the chagosians and turned a paradise into an eco nightmare now want to protect it from being defiled by the owners !!! [1]
stuff like this u just cant make it up, really gotta hand it to those perfidious albions !


the sordid saga of diego garcia continues....

*Perkins’ book shows that the US is “exceptional” only in the unbridled violence it applies to others who get it its way. One of the new chapters tells the story of France-Albert Rene, president of Seychelles, who threatened to reveal the illegal and inhumane eviction of the residents of Diego Garcia by Britain and Washington so that the island could be converted into an air base from which Washington could bomb noncompliant countries in the Middle East, Asia, and Africa. Washington sent in a team of jackels to murder the president of Seychelles, but the assassins were foiled. All but one were captured, tried and sentenced to execution or prison, but a multi-million dollar bribe to Rene freed them. Rene got the message and became compliant.*


Posted by: denk | Mar 22, 2016 11:03:47 PM | 185

Hey, I'm not the one with OCD who keeps dredging up past "sins" no one apart from your self gives a rats ass about.

And I think you vastly overestimate the amount of attention the future will pay to any of us here on MOA. Assuming we don't roast or blow up the planet.

So I think I look pretty good. As always, I've done what I think right. I can live with myself; isn't that really the only criteria worth considering?

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 22, 2016 11:25:44 PM | 186

And how goes the valiant struggle for "New & Improved Meaningful Debt Relief(TM) - Now with Smaller Pensions and More Foreclosures!" Not well it seems.

The Latest Poll Shows 71% of People Do Not Trust Tspiras; Greeks Want Change in Government. I wonder, would saying you were against austerity, then canning the left and imposing austerity, have anything to do with it?

Or perhaps this could be a factor.

It became clear from the Eurogroup meeting that Greece will be given no concessions and it will have to drink the bitter third bailout programme to the end, whatever it costs. And receive debt relief in exchange. Whether the government will succeed in selling this deal to Parliament and citizens remains to be seen.

That is to say, if we can get Syriza to agree to really screw the Greek proles, in return, they'll get a nice Potemkin village of token relief.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 22, 2016 11:45:33 PM | 187

And where would the show be without my sidekick?

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 22, 2016 11:53:12 PM | 188


no one apart from your self gives a rats ass ... I've done what I think right. I can live with myself ...

Spoken like a true manipulator/abuser.

The rufass Show goes on (and on, and on, and on, ...).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 23, 2016 12:42:41 AM | 189

Jesus freaking wept. Abuse? How fucking low will you go?

Sidekicks are supposed to be the straight man, this was very definitely not funny.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 23, 2016 7:50:05 AM | 190

That was loathsome, Jack Rabid.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 23, 2016 7:54:24 AM | 191

The rufass Show goes on (and on, and on, and on, ...).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 23, 2016 10:18:55 AM | 192

Welcome back viewers to another edition of the Magisterium, with your host with most, rufus magister.

Today’s hot topic is the Ukraine.

The Kyiv Post has this tantalizing headline, SBU say Azov member Krasnov, Russian intelligence plotted to blow up government buildings in Kyiv. But the link to the details at UNIAN failed when I last tried. I would not be extremely surprised if this turned to be wishful thinking by the SBU.

I believe I saw someone jokingly assert, about Brussells, that “Putin did it” on another thread. But some are serious about it.

KP links to this Reuters article Kiev accusing the Russian of involvement. Seems heavy on the accusations, light on the proof.

The head of Ukraine's state security services said Tuesday he could not rule out Moscow's involvement in the deadly Brussels blasts, prompting the Russian prime minister to call him a “moron….

"I do not make unsubstantiated statements and affirm anything," Grytsak said in televised comments.

"But I would not be surprised if these acts of terror in Brussels have a Russian trace."

With his Prime Minister barely surviving a no-confidence vote recently, Poroshenko is trying to force out Yatsenyuk. Sadly, details behind WSJ's paywall.

US citizen and Ukrainian Finance Minister Jaresko has tossed her hat in the ring. Ukraine’s finance minister launches bid to lead technocrat government. If she is named PM, but fails to achieve stability, maybe Biden pere et fils will propose them as the 51st. state. Take that, District of Columbia!

I don’t know that it would work out, because Poroshenko and Tymeshenko are the most popular pols, and Tymeshenko has already proposed new elections.

Our last item on Banderastan is from Alexander Mercouris, Ukrainian Government Crisis - Kiev Swirls in Oligarch-led Intrigues. He's always worth a read.

What these individuals have in common is that they have succeeded over several decades in concentrating Ukraine’s wealth in their own hands. Today they bargain over the country’s future like businessmen cutting deals with each other.

He includes a Financial Times article reporting on Poroshenko possibly allying with Kolomoisky and Akhmetov to implement Minsk-II

Let’s wrap this segment up with a little comedy. Real Republicans use coded dog whistles. "He may be an unthinking, rage-filled monster – but at least he’s not a career politician." If you're not a regular reader of Tom Tomorrow, you should be. IMHO.

We'll pause for a commercial break, and afterwards, I think we’ll hear from my sidekick, Jack Rabid. He’ll be having more accusations with no proof for you in a moment. But probably not about the Russians…..

The Magisterium, brought to you by the slime from your video -- that's right folks, don't touch that dial!

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 23, 2016 11:09:21 PM | 193

Booom! Incriminating evidence of Turkey's involvement de Syrian oil theft via ISIL surfaces:

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 23, 2016 11:11:26 PM | 194

hillary *enforcer* clinton
*no way im gonna let my grandchildren live in a world dominated by those awful chinese* !

mdm hillary *heart breaker* clinton,

did u bother to ask the grandpas , grannies of jeju island who have been kicked out from their ancestral homes, whether they wanna be ruled by the worlds *oldest democracy* ?

Kim Sung-Ku
Gangjeong villager and poet
* One day in April 2007, I was anxious, not knowing what I could do after hearing an unbelievable story about naval base construction in my village.

Now the base has become a reality and the Gureombi rock covered by cement for the base construction has become a memory. The hill where I flew kites, the ditch where I caught frogs and minnows, and Gureombi rock - the rest area where we used to share food in my childhood disappeared. And now they have become unbearable to look at with concrete and buildings replacing them. Totally strange men who kicked out my memories openly stride there.

The true masters of the land have been kicked out. And now false masters pretend to take their place.

The naval base was nominally built for the development of the village. [1] But the development has torn the hearts of the villagers to pieces. The site with the dramatically and luxuriously changed look has now become land where we cannot reach or stand. Is this progress?

The splendid lights have been taken out from the river of stars in the Milky Way. The numerous memories of our fathers, their fathers, and their fathers, have now been cut. The distance between us has also grown. Alas, I look at the stars and sky with all my last desperate energy. Today only memory is alive. I struggle to save that memory, hoping the stars and sky will remain in my heart.....* [2]

this a sick joke or something , how could a naval base be built for the development of village???
this is the murkkans dagger pointing at china's heart !



harry harris, cic , pacom
*the chinese are militarising the scs*

Posted by: denk | Mar 24, 2016 1:07:37 AM | 195

@193 rufus.. i had saw something about some higher up jackass from ukraine blaming russia for the brussells terrorist attacks... some real loons in the upper management of ukraine at present..

@194 lozion... the west won't touch that incriminating data with a 100 foot pole.. too much of it reflects back on their bogus game of bs..

@195 denk.. maybe she thinks she has to compete with trump for who is the bigger racist.. sad when a us election comes down to a shouting match over who is the bigger racist..

Federica">">Federica Mogherini Cries....
Well, why didn't you cry, EU "politicians", when Ukronazi killed and continue to kill people of Donbass, when they commit terrorist acts both against people and infrastructure. Where was your outrage and tears when good people of Syria were being killed, tortured, displaced by the creature all of you are directly culpable in creating--IS. Well, the chickens are coming home to roost and this is just the start, things will get much more "interesting". While my heart goes out to people of Brussels, I have no sympathy whatsoever to EU bureaucrats, who are traitors and cowards.

Posted by: james | Mar 24, 2016 1:33:43 AM | 196

proper link here -

Posted by: james | Mar 24, 2016 1:34:33 AM | 197

james 196

i often wonder why bruce gagnon's posts got zero attention,
zero, none, nada, zilch. !
the guy is at the forefront of anti zwo movement forchrissake !
perhaps folks are too caught up with the murkkan election circus ???

*If I submerge myself into analyses of that entertainment and propaganda farce, the real meaning of what is happening in the world would escape me.

It is simply designed that way: concentrate on games, pop and junk, as well as elections, and forget about the big picture – what the Empire is doing to our World*

Posted by: denk | Mar 24, 2016 3:19:36 AM | 198

@198 denk.. thanks.. it is refreshing to see someone else saying what i have said here the past few months.. this us election shit is endless.. it never stops!

on a different angle from los angeles times angry arab - "University of California regents said Wednesday that anti-Semitism has “no place” on a college campus but declined to issue a broad condemnation of anti-Zionism as a form of discrimination."

This is basically a reiteration of our stance in the pro-Palestinian community in the US: we reject any and all forms of anti-Semitism of any kind, and we don't welcome any anti-Semites in our midst. We remain steadfast in our stiff and categorical opposition to all forms of Zionism, which is a form of racism and segregation. This victory for free speech should energize the anti-Zionist movement worldwide. States based on racism, exclusion, and occupation have no place in the modern world. Furthermore, all states based on an exclusive religious identity--whether Muslim or Jewish--should be opposed as relics of medieval times.

Posted by: james | Mar 24, 2016 12:47:41 PM | 199

and in other astoundingly insane news, the usa state dept spokesperson toner on balance thinks isis is worse then assad regime, but it's almost too close to call it.. what a friggin idiot.. he makes usa foreign policy look like a complete joke from top to bottom..

2 minute video -

Posted by: james | Mar 24, 2016 12:56:28 PM | 200

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