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February 22, 2016
Syria: Does This “Cessation Of Hostilities” Allow Attacks On Jaish al-Fatah?

This was just published:

Joint Statement of the United States and the Russian Federation, as Co-Chairs of the ISSG, on Cessation of Hostilities in Syria

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Consistent with UN Security Council Resolution 2254 and the statements of the ISSG, the cessation of hostilities does not apply to “Daesh”, “Jabhat al-Nusra”, or other terrorist organizations designated by the UN Security Council.

There is a word missing in the above when compared to the relevant part of UNSC Res 2254:

… specifically by Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as Da’esh), Al-Nusra Front (ANF), and all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al Qaeda or ISIL, and other terrorist groups, …

The "associated" with Al Qaeda are not mentioned in the cessation document. In Idleb and other parts on north Syria Jaish al Fatah is the major terrorist alliance:

The Army of Conquest ("Arabic: جيش الفتح‎) or Jaish al-Fatah, abbreviated JaF, is a joint operations room of Islamist Syrian rebel factions participating in the Syrian Civil War.
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At its founding, Jaish al-Fatah contained seven members, three of them — al-Nusra, Ahrar ash-Sham, and Jund al-Aqsa are directly connected to Al-Qaeda or have a similar ideology. With Ahrar ash-Sham being the largest group, al-Nusra and Ahrar ash-Sham together were reported to represent 90 percent of the troops. Another prominent Islamist faction in the operations room included the Muslim Brotherhood of Syria linked Sham Legion (Faylaq Al-Sham). Jaish al-Fatah collaborated with more moderate Free Syrian Army factions such as Knights of Justice Brigade.

Leaving out the "associated" in the cessation of hostilities declaration gives room for Ahrar al-Sham and a few others, which are clearly "associated" with al-Nusra/al-Qaeda in their Jaish al-Fatah alliance, to take part in it.

There are conditions to that. From the "Terms For Cessation Of Hostilities In Syria attached to the Joint Statement linked above:

The nationwide cessation of hostilities is to apply to any party currently engaged in military or paramilitary hostilities against any other parties other than “Daesh”, “Jabhat al-Nusra”, or other terrorist organizations designated by the UN Security Council.
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To take part in the cessation of hostilities, armed opposition groups will confirm – to the United States of America or the Russian Federation, who will attest such confirmations to one another as co-chairs of the ISSG by no later than 12:00 (Damascus time) on February 26 2016 – their commitment to and acceptance of the following terms:

  • To full implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 2254, adopted unanimously on December 18, 2015, ‑ including the readiness to participate in the UN-facilitated political negotiation process;
  • To cease attacks with any weapons, including rockets, mortars, and anti-tank guided missiles, against Armed Forces of the Syrian Arab Republic, and any associated forces;
  • To refrain from acquiring or seeking to acquire territory from other parties to the ceasefire;
  • To allow humanitarian agencies, rapid, safe, unhindered and sustained access throughout areas under their operational control and allow immediate humanitarian assistance to reach all people in need;
  • To proportionate use of force (i.e., no greater than required to address an immediate threat) if and when responding in self-defense.

The same condition plus a cessation of aerial bombing apply to the Syrian government side.

It is "proposed"(?) that the cessation of hostilities commence at 00:00 (Damascus time) on February 27, 2016.

The immediate estimates of various observers of the war on Syria on how long a cessation of hostilities under these conditions would hold varied between 30 seconds and 4 weeks.

The big problem is of course that al-Qaeda is so intermingled with the "moderate rebels" that the U.S. even tried, contrary to UNSC Res 2254, to get the cessation of hostilities applied to it.

Let us assume that Ahrar al-Sham agrees to the cessation of hostilities and follows its terms. The Syrian and Russian intelligence suddenly get good information about the location of the joint operations room of al-Nusra, Ahrar ash-Sham and Jund al-Aqsa. 

Now would that joint operations room or headquarter be a legitimate bombing target under the cessation of hostilities agreement? In my view bombing it would obviously be allowed because al-Nusra/al-Qaeda is there. But the "moderate" terrorists, the U.S. and their other sponsors would scream bloody murder about such bombing.

That is why I believe that this cessation of hostilities, should it come in force at all, will hold no longer than one week.

Comments

Putin on the ceasefire agreement:
http://thesaker.is/vladimir-putin-special-statement-on-cessation-of-hostilities-in-syria-starting-feb-27th/

Posted by: ben | Feb 24 2016 5:06 utc | 101

I just read in a Guardian posting that John Kerry is saying Plan B if the cease fire doesn’t work is partitioning of Syria.
The article says that Putin favors the idea.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/23/john-kerry-partition-syria-peace-talks
Is this an international trial balloon?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2016 6:04 utc | 102

72
“Are they gonna live happily ever after, Mama?”
“Tha’s right, baby. And they never gonna die!”

Posted by: Chipnik | Feb 24 2016 6:34 utc | 103

Noirette 62
Fine but this analysis misses the role of the Iraqi intelligence coordinating at least some things high above (or you see the different French terrorist attacks as false flags? many Frenchies have been identified in the decapitation videos from Syria and Iraq, who happen to have been in contact in France way before, and went through the same jails etc until they “discovered God” and headed for Iraq or Syria).
Watch this film that just came out: Homeland. Irak année zéro (2 parts, 5 hours of footage made in Irak before and after April 2003). It seems very probable to me that ISIS was made up of the vengeful Saddam’s officers + Sunni tribes of the Falluja area calling for the “blood” of who caused all the horrors there (disformed foetuses caused by the bombs the US used etc)

Posted by: Mina | Feb 24 2016 7:03 utc | 104

Pasted from Guardian, link given by psychohistorian @102: [Kerry] continued to insist that Assad could not remain leader because he was not acceptable to those who have fought him over the past four years.
It reminds me what I learned about the history of my native Poland. In 16-th century a political system was created that was democratic in the sense that important offices, including the king, were elected in a unique system of “one saber — one vote” and “unanimity”. Every nobleman of which there were multitudes had the right to carry a saber and a vote. A county gathering would elect representatives for the Parliament, and guess how unanimity could be achieved in a gathering of hot-tempered armed folks? At times it was intimidation, and at times, murder in the broad light of day, except that there were some rules — firearms were strictly frowned upon. But that was feudal past.
I tell that story because it seems that Kerry advocates the same system: unanimity of all armed folks who were not intimidated into silence. Actually, there was another element that Kerry presumably approves: there was basically no notion of treason, every nobleman was a free person who could accept money from whoever he wanted.
I observed that our wise liberal policy experts stopped promoting democracy even verbally. One artillery piece, provided from abroad, one vote.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 24 2016 8:48 utc | 105

Back to Iraq: US Military Contractors Return In Droves
The Gravy Train is leaving the station … Jan 2015 => Jan 2016; Troop Increase, 161%; Contractors, 811%.
Looks like PlanB – partition – will start, like Da’esh, in Iraq.
I guess we’ll have to see what the Iraqis say about that.

Posted by: jfl | Feb 24 2016 8:54 utc | 106

It seems very probable to me that ISIS was made up of the vengeful Saddam’s officers + Sunni tribes of the Falluja area calling for the “blood” of who caused all the horrors there (disformed foetuses caused by the bombs the US used etc)
Posted by: Mina | Feb 24, 2016 2:03:40 AM | 104
I think it was like that, except that it was more complex. Extreme ideologies gather malcontents who seek a matrix to “express themselves and change things”. The ideology did not originate in Iraq, but surely American occupation produced millions of malcontents, I would even say that it is hard to identify any larger group in Iraq that was happy.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 24 2016 9:52 utc | 107

Piotr Berman@99 It really is pathetic the way the Lebanese have agreed to limit their arms supplies to what the US/Israel will allow. Therefore their air force until just recently had a number of Hawker Hunter jets from the 1950’s, now grounded because of unreliability. They now have a number of Cessna’s. It seems all weapons allowed must be for internal repression. The Iranians have offered to supply the Lebanese armed forces all the latest weapons. With the Saudi deal being pulled, this could be a good option.

Posted by: harry law | Feb 24 2016 10:08 utc | 108

@Oui: I see u are still shilling for the eu? On their payroll, perhaps?
Anyway, there are better reasons to leave the EU than the ECHR. For starters: being tied to the EURO, mass immigration, loss of sovereignty, also over economic policy. Somehow the dictatorial EU eLite do not inspire ordinary europeans that much.

Posted by: don | Feb 24 2016 10:36 utc | 109

must read (in French)
on the sanctions put on Syria and the role of the French
http://www.comite-valmy.org/spip.php?article6880

Posted by: Mina | Feb 24 2016 11:08 utc | 110

What ideology?
There is no common ideology between the different layers of the organization. Like the MB, there is almost no communication between the different layers either…

Posted by: Mina | Feb 24 2016 11:09 utc | 111

THe bottom line in all this is that the SAA is taking too long to retake the country, leaving the US and its gang lots of time to come up with new schemes. This latest crisis just proved again that all that matters are the facts on the ground. THat’s why outfits such as RuAF, YPG and Hezbollah are so important in this game. YPG seem to be much more effective forces than SAA, and to some extent even Hezbollah, so the US picked the better side. Assad’s task really hasn’t changed, and that is how he can rebuild SAA to become a more effective force. It seems Tiger Forces and the commandos in Latakia would be good examples for the rest of the force.

Posted by: don | Feb 24 2016 11:38 utc | 112

jfl says:
Looks like PlanB – partition – will start, like Da’esh, in Iraq
so, what was Plan A again?
is this the sequel?
wasn’t there a punch-line?
didn’t it produce the desired effects?
where were they tomorrow?

Posted by: john | Feb 24 2016 11:44 utc | 113

important to remember: when da’esh was called “the rebels” and the EU was encouraging buying the oil it exported (in french)
http://www.tdg.ch/monde/L-Europe-autorise-lachat-de-petrole-brut-aux-rebelles/story/29434630
http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2014/10/11/daech-petrole-etat-islamique-marche-petrolier_n_5964614.html

Posted by: Mina | Feb 24 2016 12:05 utc | 114

PB at 83 —
According to the Kyiv Post, things are being ratcheted down on the Maidan. Perhaps someone from the embassy dropped by with some baked goods and helpful tips.
No time to look closely at it now, but they also have this consideration from the Carnegie Center of the question — the Ukraine, a lost cause? Definitely maybe, it would seem.

Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 24 2016 13:08 utc | 115

Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 23, 2016 8:55:18 PM | 89
How many of the “uprisings” in the world, over the past 50 years, do you imagine did not have Yankee fingerprints on them?
When do you imagine the Crusaders abandoned their ambition to subjugate Russia and China in the interests of Totalitarian Capitalism For Fun & Profit since, say, the Opium Wars?
Given the plausible deniability of the AmeriKKKan Syria SNAFU, upon what evidence were you able to persuade yourself that the sparks which set Chechnya and Tienanmen ablaze weren’t supplied by Crusading Parasites for whom too much money/property could never be enough?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 24 2016 13:18 utc | 116

add #115.
The Yankees have a military presence in 100+ countries (see TomDispatch archives or Wiki?). That should tell you something – unpleasant & unfriendly.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 24 2016 13:26 utc | 117

I always thought AmeriKKKa would be Nuked by Russia. But the Yankees seem to have decided they’d rather be Nuked by China. I’m not fussy. I just want them Nuked.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 24 2016 13:33 utc | 118

Now would that joint operations room or headquarter be a legitimate bombing target under the cessation of hostilities agreement? In my view bombing it would obviously be allowed because al-Nusra/al-Qaeda is there. But the “moderate” terrorists, the U.S. and their other sponsors would scream bloody murder about such bombing. That is why I believe that this cessation of hostilities, should it come in force at all, will hold no longer than one week.
Posted by b on February 22, 2016 at 02:35 PM

The joint operations room would be an irresistible target. I’d bet the Russians already know where it is. And if they don’t bomb it at their earliest convenience after midnight on the 27th it’ll only be because they’ve found something juicier and even more embarrassing to bomb…
Go get ’em Vlad!!!

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 24 2016 14:15 utc | 119

thanks hw…agree totally with what you say @116-19…was thinking the same thing myself…you’ve hit the nail at the bottom line right on the head…also concur with your sentiments @14 of previous thread…lol!

Posted by: Captain Cook | Feb 24 2016 14:31 utc | 120

What is plan b? An invasion?
For all the heralding of Russian efforts, I view this ceasefire agreement negatively. It’s only setting Russia up for new media distortions, while Anglo-Zionists and Wahabist-supremists buy time to take Syria. Furthermore it back-stabs Assad and Iran.
I think they expect Putin to blink if they rapidly invade and declare defcon 3. Invasion is ON the table IMHO.
USSR stood down at Yom Kippur, which pretty-much sealed USSR’s fate a couple decades later. Putin may well be setting up his own fate with this bs ceasefire.

Posted by: aaaaaa | Feb 24 2016 14:56 utc | 121

“That is why I believe that this cessation of hostilities, should it come in force at all, will hold no longer than one week.”
Posted by b on February 22, 2016 at 02:35 PM
And this is example A, why b is probably right:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/countdown-to-the-destruction-in-syria-timeline-of-us-and-allied-interventions-in-syria-1916-2016/5509557

Posted by: ben | Feb 24 2016 15:06 utc | 122

@122 – nice to see Dana visalli getting linked. I remember reading him from the energyresources yahoo group.. a great guy with strong moral character

Posted by: aaaaaa | Feb 24 2016 15:26 utc | 123

“You can follow the lead of your Israeli Lobby, or you can have peace and security, but you can’t have both, it is that simple. – See more at: http://www.globalresearch.ca/russians-ride-fast-russias-victory-in-syria/5510021#sthash.1ZgGdrLx.dpuf“
Full article:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/russians-ride-fast-russias-victory-in-syria/5510021

Posted by: ben | Feb 24 2016 15:26 utc | 124

Resembles those crazy ceasefires when Donbass was winning.

Posted by: From The Hague | Feb 24 2016 16:10 utc | 125

“The last few days before the cessation of hostilities will allow Assad’s army to gain some ground in Aleppo area and to switch to the Southern front. I’d expect them to take Palmyra in the course of next few days (consider it a tip).”
Interest piece authored by Israel Shamir posted on VNN
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2016/02/23/524358-russians-ride-fast-israel-shamir/

Posted by: ALberto | Feb 24 2016 16:18 utc | 126

H@119
Your concept of a joint operations ‘room’ full of rebel leaders, waiting for Putin to bomb them, is a bit simplistic and literal but that type of thinking seems to suit you.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Feb 24 2016 16:44 utc | 127

WOW at 63 is using Putin’s word as true gold, certain and reliable, I’ll have to remember that and come back to use the same argument 😉
WOW: The whole long-standing Syria scenario is based on the presupposition that a strong ‘opposition to Assad’ exists. Putin has to deal with that. By mixing diplomacy with actions on the ‘battlefield’ in a subtle, well-organised (imho) blend.
Putin can’t just spetnatz in take over Syria hand it back to Assad with a flourish and a bouquet of roses and exit stage left to thunderous applause. Now of course! there is an ‘opposition’ to Assad, most of it located in multiple places outside Syria. Are there ‘moderate opponents’? Certainly. These come in various stripes, or rather suits, expats on the take for ex. but also Syrians. The moderate opposition in Syria is non-violent and has long ago thrown in the towel.
Russia has won (imho) but at least not lost, in this round of ‘diplomacy.’ Not that it all means much imho.
mina at 104, I take your point, it is another angle, which should be addressed. Yes my meme of ‘all mercenaries’ etc. is rough.

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 24 2016 17:13 utc | 128

Your concept of a joint operations ‘room’ full of rebel leaders, waiting for Putin to bomb them, is a bit simplistic and literal but that type of thinking seems to suit you.
Posted by: Wayoutwest | Feb 24, 2016 11:44:28 AM | 127

… forgetting, of course, that we’re talking about Base & Bunker Yankees (who can’t get out of AfPak and have to pretend that they wanna be there). And when they do try something brave-ish it turns out like the aircraft bonfire in Iran all those years ago, or Black Hawk Down. They believe too much of their own bullshit Wayout – and even you can’t save them from that.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 24 2016 17:35 utc | 129

The Dogs of War over at SST are having a very hard time digesting the new reality in Syria with Putin pulling the magic carpet from under their magic thinking about ultimate victory over the Terrorists/Jihadists/rebels. This is quite sad to watch with all their planning, colorful mapping and projections of imminent victory and bloody destruction disappearing in a puff of smoke.
The Islamic State will probably have to save them from complete disintegration and help them to redirect their faulty projections at that looming conflict.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Feb 24 2016 19:10 utc | 130

Does the UN agreement that includes and allow Russia to ‘attack other terrorist entities’ also include attacking the US terrorist state invaders.
That is the biggest and most important question.
Who the hell is Jaish al-Fatah compared to the the most evil entity – the US Emire – the world has ever seen.

Posted by: tom | Feb 24 2016 19:18 utc | 131

in re 118, 121
Well, nice that the armchair apocalyptics have weighed in. I’m a little surprised though, as I would have guessed an exchange between us and Jerusalem would have been the preferred modality for Armageddon.
Here’s an artist’s rendition of HW’s wish fulfillment. You ride ‘em, cowboy.
And a more up-to-date soundtrack, for all you hipsters.
So how does the failure of the USSR to launch WWIII in the early 70’s lead to the collapse of the Union in the 90’s? It seems odd, since the successful amphibious assault across the Nile was counted as the first Arab victory against the IDF, and helped induce the Israelis to sign at Camp David. Especially since the Soviets and a number of their allies, e.g. Cuba, supplied men and materiel during the conflict.
There were any number of problems with the “years of stagnation;” a lack of heft in the Middle East was not one of them.

Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 25 2016 2:29 utc | 132