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January 21, 2016
Putin ‘Probably Approved’ Murder Of Baby Jesus
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You probably beat the NYT-WaPo-NPR triumvirate to the punch on this one…but then again, you usually beat them to the punch with everything else as well.
Posted by: farflungstar | Jan 21 2016 18:30 utc | 3
“From principles is derived probability, but truth or certainty is obtained only from facts.” — Tom Stoppard
Posted by: chet380 | Jan 21 2016 18:31 utc | 4
Those two lines are the best words of any article about the ridiculous, fake British ‘investigation’ of the L matter.
Posted by: WorldBLee | Jan 21 2016 18:33 utc | 5
Law of Probability Dispersal : Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed
Posted by: chet380 | Jan 21 2016 18:34 utc | 6
As Ignatius J. Reilly, sage of The Big Easy would say
Prolly. 🙂
Posted by: Cortes | Jan 21 2016 18:53 utc | 7
Using the “probably” is the current way the media uses to spread rumors…
Now since Russia-bashing is the fashion in the anglo-saxon media we see a flurry of the ‘probable’ crimes that the Russians are responsible of.
Posted by: Virgile | Jan 21 2016 19:00 utc | 8
And that’s just what we KNOW. We can not rule out that he may have possibly also approved of many, many, MANY annoying and sometimes downright unpleasant things such as off-color jokes, inconvenient truths, and unhealthy snacks.
Something must be done!
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 21 2016 19:12 utc | 9
Apparently the Brits who have been financially and morally bankrupt since at least the Battle of Agincourt cannot handle being Euchred by the Russians. All that free stolen City of London oil money from Syria and Iraq just went up in smoke. Well at the least there is the poppy business to fall back on.
Posted by: Alberto | Jan 21 2016 19:29 utc | 10
@ Virgile | 8
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I venture to say that “probably” is the Miracle Ingredient in the New! Improved! Official Whitewash used lavishly by Western government spokespersons and pseudo-investigatory agencies and commissions.
It’s been incorporated into the specious slander under discussion to both beta-test its efficiency, and to accustom the public to its use.
Thus, I expect that whenever the “national security checks on its findings” are complete (i.e. putting finishing touches on getting everyone’s stories straight, then tailoring the “evidence” to fit the narrative), Sir John Chilcot’s long-awaited report into the UK’s role in prosecuting the illegal Iraq war will heavily rely upon the “probable”.
It’s entirely, er, probable that Chilcot will solemnly and gravely conclude that the odious and reprehensible Tony Blair and his domestic and foreign henchpersons “probably” didn’t violate any laws or demonstrate any heinous ethical lapses during the Iraq adventure– although mistakes were made… probably.
Posted by: Ort | Jan 21 2016 19:55 utc | 11
Had you read the actual report not it’s comical paraphrase by RT, you would probably see that the judge quite clearly assigned the responsibilities. He wrote “I am sure that Mr Lugovoy and Mr Kovtun placed the polonium 210 in the teapot at the Pine Bar on 1 November 2006. I am also sure that they did this with the intention of poisoning Mr Litvinenko” and “The FSB operation to kill Mr Litvinenko was probably approved by Mr Patrushev and
also by President Putin” in the summary chapter 10. In the preceding chapters he presented detailed analysis of available evidence and witness statements, including those who supported Kovtun and Lugovoi innocence (citing e.g. that they passed a polygraph test – in Moscow) and promoted alternative theories (suicide). It’s only 328 pages, just go and read it instead of relying on third party paraphrases.
Posted by: Herbal | Jan 21 2016 20:23 utc | 12
nmb @ 1: Thanks for the link. Some excerpts from it.
“It’s a matter of power and control. Once the elites reach the point to control all the resources and the means of production, the model will change from capitalism to global feudalism.”
” Which means that the only way for the elites to control the growing instability of this system, is by absolute suppression:”
The ” War on Terror” ring any bells?
Posted by: ben | Jan 21 2016 20:48 utc | 14
No “probably” in the fact that B. Obama had two Americans assassinated in Yemen.
Posted by: St. Eve | Jan 21 2016 21:05 utc | 15
@Herbal
Can you not appreciate the multiple ironies?
> Obama probably approved droning weddings.
> Wall Street CEOs probably approved actions that led to the 2008 GFC.
> The King of Saudi Arabia probably approved using extremists as a weapon (and yet they are still an ally).
> The Governor of Michigan probably approved poisoning Flint’s drinking water.
> Oil company executives probably approved disinformation campaigns about global warming.
> … and so on.
If we’re going to hold public officials accountable, we can start in our own country.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 21 2016 21:07 utc | 16
For me the post at #1 is more important than the so called on topic stuff. I have no idea what happened to Litvenenko but I will say it is foolish to think that some politician is ‘good’ just because you know the politicians opposing him/her to be bad.
They are politicians all of em Obama, Cameron and Putin and are therefore capable of anything.
I mention this because the issues outta Davos are far more important to all of us yet few are prepared to properly consider them.
I watched an interview with a neoliberal talking head on AJ yesterday and he was running the line that the central bank ‘bailout’ of the banksters has failed and that we are about to hit a meltdown infinitely worse than that of 2007/8.
The cure will be an immediate worldwide rationalisation of public expenditure particularly of Health, Education and Welfare starting immediately with education.
I’ve been thinking for a while that the assholes in charge will attack education because they no longer perceive a need for it – indeed education is regarded as being the cause of many problems.
Think about it public education only really took off after the industrial revolution when all humans were required to be literate and numerate to work in the expanding industries.
That is no longer the case since as the poster at #1 pointed out jobs are gonna become largely non-existent and those who do have work mostly won’t need to be able to read and write anyway since AV communications are oral.
No public education also means that that pesky idea of a society will also be jettisoned.
Taxes are about to be returned to their original role – a protection racket against the poor where all taxes collected are spent by the already rich with nothing coming back for the people.
Initially we will be told that this is just part of the ‘austerity’ program required to ‘keep the economy going’. Most will believe this bullshit as there will be little pushback from a media that no longer asks questions. eg consider the coverage Davos has been getting it is mainly of the celebrities having fun variety.
Many of those ‘interested in world affairs’ will be distracted by issues over which sociopathic asshole they consider to be better than the other sociopaths – so good that in fact he’s not a sociopath at all.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 21 2016 21:16 utc | 17
@16 Kovtun and Lugovoi were both active FSB officers at that time. Their involvement in the murder is proven. If a former FSB officer is killed by two active FSB officers they must have either gone against orders or have received orders to do so. There’s is no evidence they’ve gone AWOL as they would have not escaped to Russia after the murder and FSB wouldn’t provide them protection and benefits (Duma and immunity) which looks more as an reward. But as the judge had no direct evidence – like a copy of the order – he uses the “probably” statement. Russian authorities behavior in this case is also very similar to what happened to the two GRU officers arrested in 2004 in Quatar for murder of Yandarbiyev and later returned to Russia under the condition they will serve their time in prison there, which of course never happened.
Posted by: Herbal | Jan 21 2016 21:35 utc | 18
Don’t pretend like Putin, who is part of Russian deep state, didn’t approve this op. Every government in the world persecutes it’s enemies, real or imagined. Putin stands up to Empire, but he still relies on his own siloviki and domestic MIC.
Posted by: Roy | Jan 21 2016 21:56 utc | 19
Remind me- when did UK abolish the death penalty for treason?
Posted by: bridger | Jan 21 2016 21:56 utc | 20
OMG! Someone should warn Baby Jesus!
Putin has probably bet against the Carolina Panthers who are favored to go to the Super Bowl.
The death of Baby Jesus who raps the Carolina Panthers Anthem (“Dab City”) would be a blow to the team and fans.
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WoW says Putin probably needs the money (due to falling oil prices).
And Putin probably hates rap music too.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 21 2016 21:56 utc | 21
So now the British legal system deals in probabilities?
Alexander Litvinenko was probably poisoned by Andrey Lugovoy and Dmitry Kovtun who were probably acting on the orders of the FSB, probably under the personal order of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Just as over a month ago, a Saudi millionaire probably did not rape a teenage girl but probably only tripped over and fell on top of the girl, as found by a Southwark court.
Lawyers no longer need to apply to work in the British court system. Only mathematicians who previously worked in Wall Street hedge funds, astrologers, crystal ball readers and former casino employees need bother to apply.
Posted by: Jen | Jan 21 2016 22:00 utc | 22
Robots, A.I. – WEF thoughts on the 4th Industrial Revolution
○ Thoughts turn to revolution in Davos | SwissInfo |
○ Fourth industrial revolution set to benefit richest, UBS report says | The Guardian |
Now, if the fine agents from the British agencies and the court could edify is on what really happened to those 25 Scientists found dead or killed:
http://projectcamelot.org/marconi.html
or what really happened to David Kelley – just the facts ma’am !!!
Posted by: Yul | Jan 21 2016 22:01 utc | 24
@12 Herbal, I didn’t read the whole thing but a short precis from my point of view would be: The author went to great lengths to interview Litvenenko’s friends and supporters and documented well their every word. For actual Russians who may or may not have had knowledge of the affair, not so much. Maybe he was prevented from interviewing them by Russian authorities. He doesn’t say, or does he, like I say, I didn’t read the whole thing.
Posted by: ruralito | Jan 21 2016 22:03 utc | 25
The idea of a judge using the word “probably” is outrageous.
I would hate to be on trial for murder and hear the judge admit testimony that my fingerprints were “probably” on the murder weapon, that I “probably” had a motive for the murder, and that though I lived 2,000 miles away I was “probably” in town at the time of the murder and therefor had the opportunity.
Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 21 2016 22:20 utc | 27
@20 and @24 So you’re justifying FSB involvement by saying “others also do” because you believe FSB was not involved?
@25 You are wrong. The author also interviewed a number of doctors, CSI folks, nuclear scientists as well as Lugovoi/Kovtun supporters. He also wanted to interview Lugovoi and Kovtun but they fleed to Russia. Russia has even withdrawn the Aeroflot plane which brought them shortly after traces of polonium were found onboard.
Posted by: Herbal | Jan 21 2016 22:20 utc | 28
Probabilities are a great way to understand the results of a large number of trials, quantum dynamics, population gentics … individuals not so much. Only one trial here. I’ve never followed this story at all. I think it’s about a Russian robber baron who escaped to the City of London with the “cash” and died in hospital there, they say from radiation poisoning? I imagine there were people who benefitted by his demise? Probably one of them “did it”. That’s all this report says … with its finger on the scales of which one, for the usual peripherally connected reasons. Right?
Posted by: jfl | Jan 21 2016 22:24 utc | 29
This old file was pulled out and dust off to isolate Putin, like president Ahmadinejad before him. By making it Likely and Probablyhe ordered to kill someone in another country it make it difficult for most western leaders to in invite him for an state visit or accept his invitation to go for an state visit. I see Victoria F* Europe work all over today’s announcement. They may even intensify by issuing an Interpol red warrant, like they did for Iranian officials back in 90s.
Posted by: Kooshy | Jan 21 2016 22:34 utc | 30
@jfl Litvenenko wasn’t a robber baron he was a former kgb/fsb officer who picked the wrong gang. He was so broke by the time he moved his family to London following his patron Boris Berezovsky who had to get outta Moscow when vlad the retailers crew beat his crew in the elections.
Boris had no more use for Litv once he moved his operations to London so Litv took a job with MI6 as a part time consultant which paid shit and tried to earn by writing ‘due diligence’ reports on various Russian entities that western capitalists were interested in buying working with.
He pissed someone off that is for sure and once he was obviously dying Berezovsky found a use for him sending his PR consultants in to take photos of the dying man and who then constructed the tale which Litv signed off on just before he died, presumably in return for an undertaking that his family would be provided for.
Back in the noughties the tory government wasn’t interested in pursuing the issue because their backers didn’t want to get offside with the Putin crew lest Englanders lose opportunities to make money.
However since the Syria involvement Cameron & co have bowed to pressure from the amerikans to revive it again so Home Secretary Theresa May called for an ‘independent inquiry’ about 6 months ago and the report is the result.
I don’t have a dog in this fight but I do caution those who allege Vlad isn’t the sort to knock off a potential embarrassment to grow up and recognise that all politicians are assholes – & not just the ones who are currently screwing them.
Did Putin do it? I dunno but he had motive means and opportunity so dismissing the allegations because ‘he wouldn’t do something like that’ is as foolish as worrying about it long after the fact when there are current bigger issues going unattended.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 21 2016 22:51 utc | 31
@Herbal Am I wrong? Maybe I haven’t been sufficiently informed. I had to turn to the Russian press to find out to my amazement that the citizens of Donbas had not been shelling themselves. And nothing will persuade me that the Brits don’t have a lot to gain by obfuscating Litvenenko’s death.
Posted by: ruralito | Jan 21 2016 23:17 utc | 32
Putin “probably” did approve murder of Litvinenko.
But then he’s “probably” Jewish, so he presumably he gets a free ticket to Heaven.
Posted by: chris m | Jan 21 2016 23:20 utc | 33
@12 Herbal “In the preceding chapters he presented detailed analysis of available evidence and witness statements, including those who supported Kovtun and Lugovoi innocence (citing e.g. that they passed a polygraph test – in Moscow) and promoted alternative theories (suicide).”
I have to say that suggests the inquest found “evidence” for the guilt of Kovtun and Lugovoi, but was unable to find any evidence regarding the culpability of Patrushev and Putin.
In which case these two statements:
“I am sure that Mr Lugovoy and Mr Kovtun placed the polonium 210 in the teapot at the Pine Bar on 1 November 2006. I am also sure that they did this with the intention of poisoning Mr Litvinenko”
and
“The FSB operation to kill Mr Litvinenko was probably approved by Mr Patrushev and also by President Putin”
start strong but end mighty long on conjecture.
It could just as easily (and IMO would be more legally-correct) have been written like so:
There is sufficient evidence for the arrest and trial of Mr Lugovoy and Mr Kovtun on the charge of murder. There is not sufficient evidence to link Mr Patrushev and President Putin to the crime.
Because, in the end, what’s the point of this inquest? Is it a genuine attempt to get to the bottom of the circumstances surrounding the death of Litvinenko a decade ago? Or is it an attempt to smear Putin because of his recent activities in the Ukraine and Syria?
If the former then what, exactly, is going to come of this inquest? Because based on those two snippets the only possible outcome is that the British will be able to get INTERPOL notices against Lugovoy and Kovtun, while the odds of similar INTERPOL notices against Patrushev and Putin on the basis of a judge’s “probably” is….. zero.
If it is the latter then, again, what’s the point? The only possible outcome is that those who are ideologically opposed to Putin will remain opposed to him, those who support him will remain supporters, and the judgement and integrity and impartiality of Sir Robert Owen will be diminished.
Not that he would care. But, then again, neither do I.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 21 2016 23:25 utc | 34
@31 D is d. Yeah, I’m willing to cut Volodya some slack so as long as he only screws over the right people. Compared to Obama, he’s a choir boy.
Posted by: ruralito | Jan 21 2016 23:38 utc | 35
I think the most perceptive comment to result from this inquiry report is this one reported by the BBC:
“One Russian MP, Nikolai Kovalev, himself an ex-FSB boss, pointed out relations between Moscow and London would not be harmed by the report as there was no room for making them any worse.”
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 21 2016 23:45 utc | 36
With the revival of the Mr Litvinenko affair, the British are trying to find a diversion for the growing criticism over their shameful support of the massacre the Saudis are perpetrating in Yemen.
Cameron is approving the starving and killing of Yemeni civilians. Too much money is involved to even think about stopping it. This is not a probability but a certainty.
Posted by: virgile | Jan 22 2016 0:01 utc | 37
okay – serious comment on my part… the turning of osama into saddam hussain, or the turning of putin into hitler – it is the same gang of thugs that are up to the usual tricks as always – with tacit support from the msm.. that hangers on like wow or herbal continue to pitch for this crew is to be expected…
@ 16 jackrabbit.. thanks for stating the obvious to thick heads..
@ 1 – nmb.. thanks for the link.. i am reading joseph stiglitz latest book – the great divide – at present.. it is basically summing up the same thing.. more inequality leads to even greater inequality – something we are seeing in the exceptional nation and many other westernized countries.. it goes with the thrust of your post @1 which really needs to be made front and center in our politics today..
Posted by: james | Jan 22 2016 0:04 utc | 38
Putin would’ve probably eaten the baby Jesus too had he the chance, amirite?
Posted by: L Bean | Jan 22 2016 0:04 utc | 39
Corpse in City was probably a CIA Litvinenko Clone
Its death probably came about as a result of a botched reimplant in an attempt to top up its radiometric half-life.
Posted by: jfl | Jan 22 2016 0:17 utc | 40
WTF people … our justice system functions on ‘probably’ all the time. It is seldom stated in so many words, but the world’s largest prison population was built on probabilities, even tiny ones. And, if things keep up, you’re next!
Posted by: Rg an LG | Jan 22 2016 0:21 utc | 41
Ort @ # 11 I’d hazard a guess that you’re “probably” correct in your assessment of the looooong awaited Chilcott Report. And to think that all this time (and money!!) spent trying to work out how to exonerate Phony Tony, it was as basic as Tony “probably” didn’t do anything wrong.
AntiSpin @ # 27 Yes you have got to the crux of the matter – a judge using the phrase “probably” in a judgement
Posted by: Anonymus Pentagoon Censorer | Jan 22 2016 0:22 utc | 42
@41 rg..’Guantanamo prisoner held for 13 years on mistaken identity cleared for release’.. what do you propose to do about it in the land of the free and brave and all that rot?
Posted by: james | Jan 22 2016 0:35 utc | 43
@james 43
Guantanamo prisoner held for 13 years on mistaken identity cleared for release’.. what do you propose to do about it in the land of the free and brave and all that rot?
Simple, two choices: Silence him forever or re arrest him and put him back in Gitmo. That’s what Obomo said publicly we are EXCEPTIONALISM. Black and Palestinians lives don’t matter. Vote Democrats especially Bernie Sanders he is different, the lesser of Dems’ evils.
Do you believe me?
Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 22 2016 2:03 utc | 44
Oui @23
I followed the links and read them and while I do agree with some of the conclusions, I don’t go along with the emphasis of either report on the eventual outcomes.
First of all anyone who imagines that the davos attendees won’t begin machinations to ensure the rich get what they want needs to ‘get real’.
We have become used to Davos mob speaking something approaching the truth about what the future may bring because that has allowed the elite to persuade their elected puppets to push the austerity line.
Now that reality can no longer be hidden and the so-called ‘fourth wave’ will obviously bring massive job losses the neoliberal talking heads are pretending to be engaging in activities to ameliorate those effects.
The pols will do no such thing but it is vital that they pretend to care so that nothing startles the people outta complacency before the TPPP and TPPA are signed up and the power of ordinary people to resist the elites is finally removed for ever.
Other conclusions are equally suspect the biggest lie being told to whitey in developed nations is that he/she will end up better off than their unwhite comrades in the ‘developing world’.
AFAIK most people in the developing world will enjoy a small improvement in their circumstances, but the equalization of incomes globally does mean that the average white bugger is gonna be faced with a massive fall in their circumstances.
This won’t be happening in 50 years as the reports allege but will likely be done and dusted by 2030 – less than 20 years away.
There are also many distortions with the list of those most likely to be affected eg the Swissinfo piece claims growth in the education and training sector when for the reasons I outlined in #17 plus a host of others, public education is circling the drain right now and will be ancient history by 2030.
Jobs are going to disappear right across the bourgeois aspiration gamut.
Doctors, accountants, lawyers and journalists will all see a reduction in their current workforce of at least 50% by 2030.
The professions currently contain a lot of jobs that are little more than grunt work for educated people who hold the correct meal-ticket, be it membership of the bar or a medico practicing license.
Just as home ownership became an impossible dream for working class families once post 2007 rationalization returned working class families to single income status, the loss of the non-“up the career ladder” style employment in the professions will hit women professionals esp those juggling familial and employment priorities, very hard and cause what were once considered upper middle class families to down-size their home-owning ambitions.
Short term this will have an extremely deleterious effect on property prices but we can be sure some half rich sociopath is planning right now exactly how to take advantage of the property market collapse so he/she can use it to become ‘properly rich’ once it occurs.
I haven’t included any links outside of one from #23 in this since they would be to opinion pieces and I reckon people need to research this themselves so they can best get a firm grasp of the horror show looming upon us all.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 22 2016 2:10 utc | 45
ben @14: Thank you. ” War on Terror” is a key tool and used as a pretext for the implementation of further suppression inside urban centers. We are heading towards rapid militarized societies of private armies, I’m afraid.
Debs is dead @17: Yes, unfortunately, future looks deep dark. People however start to realize what’s going on thanks to non-filtered alternative information. The question now is how we synchronize our efforts to fight this future. I don’t know much about the Litvinenko case, but it smells a lot like a Western propaganda.
james @ 38: Thank you. I agree, but we need first to get rid of the current political establishment which is totally corrupted and devoted to the banking/corporate mafia interests.
According to the King James Bible…
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
That passage made my hair stand on end as a kid at Sunday School, but it took quite a while to figure out why. And the concept of pre-arranged Human Sacrifice as the path to Human Salvation still seems as insanely repulsive as it did the day the penny dropped.
Apart from anything else, the sacrifice of which Christendom speaks was not voluntary as implied, but left unsaid, in the Popular Passage…
“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 22 2016 3:14 utc | 47
Jesus: Hey, where are you sending me Dad?!
God: It’s a surprise. You’ll find out when you get there, Son.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 22 2016 3:28 utc | 48
Bad News Ed Schultz will be on RT half an hour show. Just found out from Larry King. To me Ed Schultz is the worst of the worst Neoliberals worst than Thom Hartman. BTW I’m no lover of Larry King. Schultz praises Hailey Clinton, Bernie Sanders and Billy Clinton.
Why does RT keep adding Neoliberal to their shows?
Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 22 2016 3:51 utc | 49
b is so eloquent. One clever line is all it takes to get a really hot thread rolling. The blog writes itself! Brilliant. I don’t know of any other blogger who can do this except Judith Curry.
@Jen | Jan 21, 2016 5:00:16 PM | 22
Very true. The more I read about the UK “system of justice” the more revolting it becomes. At first I thought it was just the Daily Mail, which is about as revolting as any publication can be. But it’s not just the paper, it’s the revolting subject matter they have to work with — Britons and Saudis living in Britain.
We can laugh at Litvinenko getting a nose-full of polonium, but the disintegration of Anglo-Russo relations is another element in the perfect storm that has been brewing every since Reagan was elected. (“Perfect storm” is a euphemism for “WWIII,” which is a euphemism for “Armageddon”.)
Before you go to sleep tonight, think about the improbability of the following interrelated problems being resolved before they coalesce into a global melt-down:
1) tensions with Russia reaching ignition-stage;
2) the world’s stock markets crashing simultaneously and pulling the banks down with them;
3) Muslim sectarianism exploding on at least 5 different fronts and spilling over into Europe with a flood of refugee-pricks blatantly grabbing white tush and refusing to put “u’s” after their “q’s”;
4) the Middle East destabilizing economically with the price of a barrel of oil now less than the cost of the empty barrel;
5) NoKo moving closer to a weaponized H-nuke and its buddy IRI moving closer to an ICBM; and
6) the future leader of the “Free World”(tm) being chosen from an unbelievably asinine collection of bimbos, blowhards, and bullshitters . . .
Well, all I can say is somehow a nose-full of polonium doesn’t sound like such a bad idea.
Did anybody ever figure out who John Galt is?
SOME MILITARY CAVEATS
Southfront thinks Turkey prepares an invasion at Jarabalus; they are minesweeping there. Does this mean that Turkey’s downing of Russia’s SU-24 achieved its purpose of keeping the border open? I don’t understand military matters, but surely the border closing should have received more priority, no? http://thesaker.is/international-military-review-syria-jan-21-2016-turkey-prepares-invasion/
US & Kurds building an airfield in Syria in Hasaka province in NE Syria. This was begun around Oct 15, must be close to completion. The airport, known as “Abu Hajar”, lies southeast of the town of Remelan, site of one of Syria’s largest oilfields, run by the Kurdish People’s Protection Units, which sells its production through Iraqi Kurdistan.
Here’s a map of the location https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2015/12/07/usa-airbase-ne-syria/ . I don’t see anything to indicate that Assad complained about it. US just began operating helicopters out of it yesterday the 20th of Jan.. This is a big deal, no?
The Turks are still inside Iraq in support of Barzani’s Iraqi Kurds, too.
Posted by: Penelope | Jan 22 2016 4:17 utc | 51
ha! Finally some fucking humor on the webs. Fucking loopy ass humanity’s gone off the fucking rails.
Posted by: skippy | Jan 22 2016 4:22 utc | 52
Psychohistorian,
You might like these two links.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article190024.html Ariel Noyola Rodriguez. Story is sourced to RT. Bank of the South– if it takes off at least won’t use the dollar in trade.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article187091.html How the Common Market of the South and Russia. . .
You are always optimistic that Russia “really” intends Modern Monetary Theory, sovereign money, multipolarity. Both these stories appeared first on RT, probably only on RT Spanish. As always, Russia thinks economic integration is good, this time in S America. I have my doubts about giving up national monetary policy control. It always seems likely to me that the outcome w/b similar to what happened to Greece and Southern Europe as a consequence of joining EU.
Posted by: Penelope | Jan 22 2016 4:27 utc | 53
Did anybody ever figure out who John Galt is?
Posted by: Denis | Jan 21, 2016 10:54:54 PM | 50
Corporate AmeriKKKa. Ayn was a huge fan.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 22 2016 4:36 utc | 54
@52 Penelope,
I put up my latest comment about the private/sovereign finance topic in the last Open Thread.
I appreciate b’s sense of jaundice about the flailings of late private finance empire. If only private finance would die soon and save humanity all the suffering.
Baby Jesus would throw private finance out of the temple. Baby Jesus is murdered regularly by private finance.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 22 2016 5:18 utc | 55
@44 jack smith… which part are you asking about? i believe a little and doubt a little too much, rof..
Posted by: james | Jan 22 2016 5:26 utc | 56
Justin Raimondo: The Craziest Conspiracy Theory of Them All
the real “evidence” – is hidden behind a veil of secrecy. Lord Owen’s inquiry was for the most part conducted in secret closed hearings, with testimony given by anonymous witnesses, and this is central to the “evidence” that is supposed to convict Kovtun, Lugovoy, and the Russian government.…
the “evidence” is not for us ordinary mortals to see. We just have to take His Lordship’s word for it that the Russian government embarked on an improbable assassination mission against a marginal figure that reads like something Ian Fleming might have written under a pseudonym.
@36 “relations between Moscow and London would not be harmed by the report as there was no room for making them any worse” – judging from the huge number of Russians moving their children and savings into UK (or even Lithuania or Poland, because it’s driving distance) this “harm” is limited to the governments only and most Russians have apparently much more confidence in the EU governments than in their own.
Posted by: Herbal | Jan 22 2016 6:50 utc | 58
@57 “judging from the huge number of Russians moving their children and savings into UK”
Care to define the phrase “huge number”?
Because without that definition then the phrase amounts to…. well, what, exactly?
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 22 2016 7:49 utc | 59
Posted by: Herbal | Jan 22, 2016 1:50:14 AM | 57
The devaluation of the Ruble would play a role in this, don’t you think?
Posted by: somebody | Jan 22 2016 8:37 utc | 60
We are never going to find a paper trail consisting of direct written orders to execute Litvinenko. That is not how these things work. It suffices for someone like Putin to simply ask “Who will rid me of this bothersome journalist/activist/agent?” and the rest is taken care of with nods and winks.
Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 22 2016 9:05 utc | 61
Posted by: Herbal | Jan 21, 2016 4:35:06 PM | 18
I don’t pretend to know what happened. But what strikes me is the stupidity of the plot – these agents left a nuclear trail across Europe endangering themselves and family.
Is this Wikipedia entry true?
Lugovoy went on to work in the private security business. For several years he was head of security at the private television company ORT, then owned by now fugitive tycoons Boris Berezovsky and Badri Patarkatsishvili. In 2001, Lugovoy was arrested and charged with organizing the escape of Nikolai Glushkov, a former deputy director-general of Aeroflot arrested in 2000 on fraud charges.
So perpetrator and victim had a link to Berezovsky?
This here is the Independent on Berezovsky (and Lugovoy)
And then there was Andrei Lugovoy, the ex-KGB agent – now ensconced in Moscow and protected from either extradition or indictment by some niceties of Russia’s constitution – who is accused of placing the fatal dose of radioactive polonium in Litvinenko’s tea. Lugovoy, it is known, served as a special FSB protection officer to senior Kremlin officials in the early 1990s, before leaving and setting up his own security company – providing protection to some of those very same people. The precise nature of relations between Berezovsky and Lugovoy has remained cloudy, through almost two months of testimony at the inquiry, although their links with each other and Litvinenko go back further than those between almost any other of the main players.
Certainly, Lugovoy organised security, through his private company, both for Berezovsky’s Russian media empire and for members of his family after he left. These services were recognised by Berezovsky when he invited Lugovoy to his 60th birthday party, held at Blenheim Palace, no less, in January 2006 – the last, perhaps the only, time that so many of Berezovsky’s circle were gathered in one place.
The whole independent article is a fascinating read – on how the Russian mafia was able to buy political influence in Europe.
Posted by: somebody | Jan 22 2016 9:24 utc | 62
A public inquiry began on 11 September 2001, and concluded on 12 September 2001 that the destruction of the World Trade Center was a CIA operation, that was probably personally approved by George W. Bush.
“The collapse began when a critical internal column buckled and triggered structural failure throughout, which was first visible from the exterior with the crumbling of a rooftop penthouse structure at 5:20:33 pm. The collapse made the old 7 World Trade Center the first tall building known to have collapsed primarily due to uncontrolled fires,[8] ” — Wikipedia, the Dictionary Anyone in the CIA Can Edit
Posted by: blues | Jan 22 2016 9:38 utc | 63
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Sarcasm is the 4th Stage of Denial.
Things seem to have gone downhill here at MoA, since the Happy Ups broke camp in WADC NYC and made off with the loot to Davos.
1st floor, ladies linguerie, going down! Ding! Ding! Ding!
Remember, you can’t have any pudding if you don’t eat your potted meat!
Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 22 2016 9:44 utc | 64
50
1 ‘Tensions with Russia’ is a Zio Zeitgeist nursery rhyme
2 ‘World Stock Markets Crashing’ were, in 2008, the best buy and hold opportunity in 70 years, so see #1 above
3 ‘Muslim Refugee Explosion’ — (see #1 above)
4 ‘Oil Now Less Than the Barrel’ …except the Saudis can pump at $18 if the US$ holds up, so see #1 above
5 ‘NoKo Nuke’ is ANFO, not U235, so see #1 above
6 ‘Bimbo Leader’ (sic) resides in an underground bunker outside WADC. You must be confused with their democracy shadow player
You might do better posting in Hebrew on Hadith of the Day!
Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 22 2016 10:01 utc | 65
So Putin is a pedophile, who knew,
seriously is there not a way for russians to press charges against this systematic libel and slander?
Posted by: Sokoff | Jan 22 2016 10:15 utc | 66
probably is always kind of wishy washy,
definitely maybe takes real commitment
Posted by: john | Jan 22 2016 11:36 utc | 67
In fact, I have always believed that criminal sentencing should be based upon the probability of culpability. So no guilty/not guilty style “justice”. Just likelihood of guilt. We would all be in jail maybe, but there would be far more justice.
Posted by: blues | Jan 22 2016 11:38 utc | 68
This article is one of three by Habakkuk and Loepp in European Tribune that investigate the Litvinenko poisoning story in detail. The story raises “very real questions about the integrity of the police investigation”.
It’s clear that both UK and Russian intelligence services have something to hide. The explanation that seems to make most sense is that the polonium was not meant to poison anyone, but rather to be a prop in a staged incident. A few hundred microgrammes in a bottle would glow in the dark and fluoresce. Litvinenko, working for MI6, appears to have been trying to fabricate evidence that Russia was supplying AQ with initiators for a nuclear bomb. Russian intelligence may have been trying to get to Litvinenko’s Chechen contacts. It’s entirely plausible that Litvinenko was poisoned by accident. The 10 microgrammes of polonium that Litvinenko is estimated to have ingested would be a speck 5 times smaller than a grain of table salt. Just opening the bottle would be enough: polonium is so intensely radioactive that specks are kicked out.
Posted by: pmr9 | Jan 22 2016 12:24 utc | 69
fortruss has a good look at this
http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2016/01/litvinenko-what-really-happened.html
Posted by: croc | Jan 22 2016 12:40 utc | 70
sorry a bit of it,,
As we all know Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned by polonium, a rare radioactive substance. The main narrative blamed it all on Vladimir Putin of Russia. The rationale rested on little other than because Litvinenko was a Putin critic. This was the quick line in mass media, and it was on all the typical war propaganda channels.
There are many things wrong with the “Putin did it” story. For one, there is no motive, even with Litvinenko being a critic of Russia, he was no threat whatsoever to Putin. The man worked with Chechen terrorists and the Israeli-Russian oligarchs. But assuming that there was a sufficient motive to kill him, think about this: Why would Russia use a very rare, very expensive, and easily traceable radioactive substance to kill him instead of some cheap poison or just shooting him? Why risk smuggling radioactive material into the UK which is an act of war?
Posted by: croc | Jan 22 2016 12:41 utc | 71
Just to cheer everybody up:
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Polonium-210 is widespread in the biosphere, including in human tissues, because of its position in the uranium-238 decay chain. Natural uranium-238 in the Earth’s crust decays through a series of solid radioactive intermediates including radium-226 to the radioactive gas radon-222, some of which, during its 3.8-day half-life, diffuses into the atmosphere. There it decays through several more steps to polonium-210, much of which, during its 138-day half-life, is washed back down to the Earth’s surface, thus entering the biosphere, before finally decaying to stable lead-206.[103][104][105]
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— from Wikipedia, the dictionary that certain people can edit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium#Occurrence_in_humans_and_the_biosphere
Posted by: blues | Jan 22 2016 13:24 utc | 72
@60 “We are never going to find a paper trail consisting of direct written orders to execute Litvinenko. That is not how these things work.”
Agreed.
Which is why the Cubans didn’t bother establishing a court of inquiry to ask if US Presidents “probably approved” the numerous CIA attemps on the life of Fidal Castro.
It’s also why no New Zealand court of inquiry ever bothered coming to the conclusion that President Mitterrand had “probably approved” the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior.
Some guy gets whacked by Israeli assassins in Dubai? Nobody is wasting their time contemplating whether or not Netanyahu “probably approved” that murder.
In all cases it is simply taken from granted that such activities are approved at the very highest levels: the dogs bark, and the caravan moves on.
“It suffices for someone like Putin to simply ask “Who will rid me of this bothersome journalist/activist/agent?” and the rest is taken care of with nods and winks.”
Maybe. Maybe not.
But, again, what’s the point of a court of inquiry concluding that Putin “probably approved” this killing?
After all, as PM Cameron has just said the UK would continue to have “some sort of relationship with them” even if it was with “clear eyes and a very cold heart”.
Translation: nothing will happen, we are just barking like dogs.
And as the White House Spokesfunky just said: “no action” was being contemplated as the result of this inquiry report.
Translation: however much the British Bulldog bark, that caravan has already moved on.
So what was the point of this exercise in “probable-guilt”?
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 22 2016 13:36 utc | 73
At the risk of sounding outlandish, I do believe that even though most of us have “probably” become hardened conspiracy followers, our conspiracies are merely the tip of a mammoth iceberg.
I believe there is a conspiracy so vast that we cannot perceive it, even as it exists right before our eyes. So vast it makes 9/11 seem like a fake slug in a parking meter.
Posted by: blues | Jan 22 2016 14:09 utc | 74
@croc | 70
Why would Russia use a very rare, very expensive, and easily traceable radioactive substance to kill him
It was a very public and painful execution to send a message. Regardless who was behind it, Russia wasnt the only one Litvinenko crossed paths with.
instead of some cheap poison or just shooting him?
Such methods are used for low profile targets, while more important people die from “natural causes.” Like induced cardiac arrest, cancer, etc. Do you know US was capable of causing targeted cancer almost a hundred years ago? With current extraordinary biochemistry and DNA advancement, CIA (or FSB) can kill a person an untraceable way, which looks like by natural causes. Like most of Latin America anti-US leaders suddenly got sick with cancer, including Chavez. He claimed it was inflicted by US, but of course there is no proof, so anyone can believe whatever they want to believe.
Posted by: Harry | Jan 22 2016 14:10 utc | 75
What seems to be true though is that Putin has a tendency to be a Russian chauvinist.
“It is right to steer the stream of thought, only we need this thought to lead to the right results, unlike in the case of Vladimir Ilyich. Because, eventually, this thought led to the collapse of the Soviet Union, that’s what it led to. There were many such thoughts: autonomation, and so on. They planted an atomic bomb underneath the building called Russia, later it blew up. Nor did we need the global revolution either. There was this thought there, too,” Putin said at the end of the Council’s meeting.
“autonomation” was the Soviet ethnic policy critical of Russian chauvinism.
Posted by: somebody | Jan 22 2016 14:14 utc | 76
One can narrow down the list of “possible” suspects by establishing who has access to polonium-210 in amounts great enough to be lethal…
Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 22 2016 14:14 utc | 77
I really liked the tea-pot part of the Litv story. So British!
Btw, in the same context Masha Gessen used the word doubtless.
Posted by: Noirette | Jan 22 2016 14:28 utc | 78
These spurious prosecutorial farces are examples of instrumental propaganda. Separately from invigorating the ancient brain mechanisms, they confirm the guilty hubris of the apparatchiks as they serve their neo-monarchical betters.
Posted by: Ralph Reed | Jan 22 2016 14:54 utc | 79
Over at the Indy,wow what a hit on Putin.I guess Ledbedev doesn’t like Vlad.
AW,Raimondo said why would a professional hit leave trails of evidence miles long(radiation)and why not just whack him with a gun?The Israelis have plutonium,and Berezovski is a Zionist.
Angry Arab points out today the decline of the INDY and Graun into MSM whores.What took him so long,I noticed it right after the Iraq war,when they made the Zionist Tomaskey US editor.
Posted by: dahoit | Jan 22 2016 15:01 utc | 80
This accusation might have something to do with Trump,and his support for Putin,as a way of undercutting the Donald.A lot of Americans like Putin better than Obomba,and not because he’s half black.
Posted by: dahoit | Jan 22 2016 15:18 utc | 81
skippy @51
Yeah, sometimes the best response is the craziness is humor.
I thought there would be more levity in the comments, though.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 22 2016 15:23 utc | 82
Probability is a a funny beast. Take the weather for example. If we are told “there is a 63.4% chance of rain, we can be sure of one thing. That the forecast is bulshit. If it rains, there was a 100% chance of rain, if it doesn’t rain, there was 0% chance. In other words, there is no room for chance in this world. Especially not in court. Cameron definitely put his little prick in a dead pigs mouth. Blair definitely married an ugly slapper before comiting genocide. Bush junior definitely bit the pillow for Cheney and Rumple, and Hillary is definitely a sociopathic genocidal maniac.
Putin “probably” impregnated a black lesbian Jew in a wheelchair….
Nuff said…
Posted by: Dan | Jan 22 2016 15:44 utc | 84
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Posted by: ioana screaming | Jan 22 2016 16:15 utc | 86
@59 The current crisis is just one of chain that Russians have experienced over the last decades. I remember very well the early exposes by Putin who promised to make Russian economy less dependent on the hydrocarbon sales, cut the corruption, improve health services etc. On his recent exposes in 2015/2016 he was voicing… exactly the same promises. Most people will tell you they believe in Putin etc but at the same send their money and children abroad. This is especially popular among high Russian officials, which is easily explained by the fact they see the true state of their economy much better than an average Ivanov.
@61 Special services aren’t really free from stupidity. Zelimkhanov’s killers from GRU were arrested by Quatari police and even the Mossad killer team from Dubai had one of their members arrested in Europe for using fake passport. In case of Litvinenko the stupidity was very well visible because they decided to show off with a radioactive isotope which glared all around the places they visited…
Posted by: Herbal | Jan 22 2016 17:14 utc | 87
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0om8ii5XVs Galloway vs Goldfarb re Litvinenko h/t Kremlin Stooge
Posted by: ruralito | Jan 22 2016 17:24 utc | 88
“Most people will tell you they believe in Putin etc but at the same send their money and children abroad.”
How in hell do you know this? Have you been to Russia and talked to “most people”?
Posted by: ruralito | Jan 22 2016 17:30 utc | 89
Wasn’t just a few months back we were told that Tunisia was the only Arab “springed” country that didn’t go south like Libya and Yemen, it became really a democratic state? Well, today the news is: apparently government had to impose a nationwide curfew .
http://www.wsj.com/articles/tunisia-imposes-nationwide-curfew-as-protests-spread-1453483239
Posted by: kooshy | Jan 22 2016 17:45 utc | 90
An inquiry from the second most biased source possible, the UK, (which comes in second to the US), a country completely hostile towards Russia, has speculated that Putin was ‘probably’ involved in the assassination via poisoning of an ex-spy.
Posted by: erichwwk | Jan 22 2016 17:50 utc | 91
Posted by: ruralito | Jan 22, 2016 12:30:37 PM | 89
This Herbal guy was probably just sent in as backup for Wayoutwest because their perspective and delivery are basically identical. Hollow arguments backed up with lots of bullshit.
Posted by: Bruno Marz | Jan 22 2016 18:30 utc | 92
Posted by: Noirette | Jan 22, 2016 9:28:59 AM | 78
Eastern European agents seem to blend in very well in Britain -;)) Remember this ?
He was assassinated on a London street via a micro-engineered pellet containing ricin, fired into his leg via an umbrella wielded by someone associated with the Bulgarian secret police.
Posted by: somebody | Jan 22 2016 19:12 utc | 93
A month ago, I would have said that Herbal is Polish. But not anymore.
We now have to contend with attempts to install the Ukrainian scenario in Poland. After the PiS-led government decided to put an end to Polish neo-colonialism, we are dealing with rapidly growing movement which calls for Maidan and restore the statute of the neocolonial state
The Poles have woken up. But there are still Russophobes elsewhere, who have nothing better to do than to troll sites like this.
I would add to Blues’ comment @ 72 that polonium 210 is present in tiny amounts in cigarettes and in anti-static brushes.
I would also suggest that the narrative that the Russian government deliberately killed Litvinenko through its supposed agents Lugovoy and Kovtun by supplying him with polonium is intended to derail any investigations into how Litvinenko actually came into contact with the polonium, what was the origin of the polonium, who or what was its intended destination, what was going to be done with it, and what was the intended result of its use.
Posted by: Jen | Jan 22 2016 21:13 utc | 95
@87 “Most people will tell you they believe in Putin etc but at the same send their money and children abroad.”
Herbal’s weasal-worded phrase for today is “Most people”, whereas his weasal-worded phrase of yesterday was “huge number”.
What will it be tomorrow? “Many oligarchs”? “Some billionaires”?
Dude, your post’s are so vague as to be meaningless.
“Most people will tell you”…
and”
..”judging from the huge number of”…
are phrases that are about as authoritative as:
…many people will say that….
…it is common-knowledge that….
…most people believe that….
…those who know will tell you…
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 22 2016 23:36 utc | 96
Daily Mail from July 2014:
Maxim Litvinenko: ‘Western intelligence killed my brother to turn public opinion against Putin’
Russia’s image was recovering because it’s been killing terrorists, something the West can’t get motivated to do, so Putin needed to be smeared again.
I wonder how much coverage this is getting in Germany. Apparently, Germany has the most Russophobic press in Europe, after the UK. (I don’t care enough to look.)
To quote Chris Rock: “I’m not saying he did it, but if he did… I’d understand.” How many people has Obama checked off on the kill matrix? Spies and disinformation agents (L was referred to as a one man disinformation agency) are in a dangerous, dangerous business with people ready to kill them – if the people they betrayed don’t get them, then their “friends” will do it for the black propaganda value.
The resuscitation of this “Putin probly did it” story, at a time when Russia is making the anti-Assad Crusaders look like a bunch of cowardly, incompetent fools, says a lot more about British wishful thinking than it does about Putin.
Brits whinge, whine and spend a lot of time making stuff up. Putin acts. And when he acts the Crusaders start creating diversions from the fact that they’ve been caught flat-footed, believing too much of their own bullshit. Again.
Given that so much of the evidence which informed the Judge’s conclusions was of the Top Secret Stuff variety, the entire “inquiry” can be dismissed as an exemplar of Rumsfeld’s Absence of Evidence vs Evidence of Absence conundrum/ charade.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 23 2016 2:44 utc | 99
This sorta connects to the demise of media as in the way the Putin murdered Litv has been publicised so I’ll stick it here.
I dunno how many other MoA habitues post to the Guardian but any that do will know that any mention of Palestine and/or Palestinians in a post that isn’t derogatory of arabs whilst being 100% supportive of the zinist project is not allowed at the graun.
I can publish as many post as I lake on the Guardian calling all Brit soldiers rapists and murdererts yet never get moderated but anything about Palestine is removed within seconds of its posting.
There is currently a thread dedicated to allowing old white men to whine about PC gone mad blah blah yawn.
The Graun has covered its ass by having the initial opinion piece criticising Charlotte Rampling and Michael Caine for their ignorant contributions to the oscar sideshow written by an unwhite journo.
I normally wouldn’t have a bar of such a clickbait POS, but this am I noticed the first post began with the outrageous remark from an englander “That all French are inherently racist”.
So just for the lulz I posted “Isn’t that the milk jug calling the bread white – hypocrite much?” And waited for the fun to start
No bites then someone posted “Hollywood regularly says bad things about Palestine and nobody minds that ‘what’s the fuss?”
That post was taken down in less than a minute so I felt obliged to join in with:
“Why doesn’t Hollywood ever make movies that show Palestinians as normal people. Every Hollywood movie with Palestinians in it characterises them as terrorists.
That lasted about 40 seconds meanwhile the englander claim that all french are inherently racist stayed up I had copped a handful of approvals but no one else had joined in.
So then I posted “Such hypocrisy. One feels obliged to ask why does the Guardian practice racism against a people already oppressed, who must remain unmentioned lest the post be moderated?”
That lasted less than 30 seconds. About an hour had passed with the comment about “all french being racist” staying put until I posted that 2nd message after which the zionist mods must have gone back to check what else I had posted and seen my response to the ‘all french are racist’ so then they took that down.
I’m not complaining about my posts being deleted I’m a big bugger who can deal with it, but I reckon the guardian does need to be called out for its attack on free speech.
That will take more people than just me and needs to be a well planned public campaign against the Guardian’s assault on free speech.
I am interested in hearing any ideas MoA members may have.
I never make any negative remarks about jews I only ever comment on the egregious behaviour of Israel and zionists towards indigenous Palestinians yet like thousands of others get censeored.
If anyone whats to test the reaction remember there are two no-no’s One is fair enough don’t make the comments about Jews it is about israel government policy and zionism.
The second no-no is real catch 22 the guardian deletes any post that mentions their moderation so of course most readers remain unaware about how pervasive the censorship is.
This is a small issue in a sea of neoliberal media oppression but it is so aggravating I really really want to draw attention to it.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 23 2016 3:49 utc | 100