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January 25, 2016

Open Thread 2016-05

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Posted by: KMF | Jan 26, 2016 7:35:59 PM | 97

Thanks for your link - Putin according to this translation

One must attentively and objectively analyze it in order not to repeat the mistakes of the past, and to build our state, economy, and society in such a way that the state only gets stronger.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 27 2016 3:42 utc | 101

RudyM at 98 --

No we had not. I liked the video better than the music -- which was OK. I'm not sure what the message is, but the images are quite stark and arresting.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 27 2016 6:17 utc | 102


From the "Great Minds Think Alike" Dept.:

'Unknown known': Colbert provokes near-admission from Donald Rumsfeld on Iraq War

(or is "jfl" merely your secret identity???)

Posted by: Vintage Red | Jan 27 2016 6:24 utc | 103

Guest77 @ 94

Thank you for a temperate answer. The globalresearch article would take only 10 minutes to look at and would introduce you to the position which is never presented in the MSM, so that you have some idea what we are talking about. The very simple graphs there would make so much more obvious what I try to explain in words.

Meanwhile I'd like to explain why CO2 is NOT "harmful junk thrown into the atmosphere". TPTB are now expressing CO2 as "carbon" so that you will think of soot & dirt. But CO2 is so necessary for plant growth that if it's reduced below 250 ppb plant life would die. We pump CO2 into our greenhouses because it increases the leaf & root mass by 50%; Citrus trees raised experimentally doubled their fruit, which was higher in Vitamin C.

Plants raised w more CO2 have smaller stomata and so need less water cuz they lose less water vapor. Satellite photos show the greening of the earth since the CO2 increase.

CO2 is 38 one-thousandths of 1% of our atmosphere, of which humans have contributed 8/1000ths of 1% of the atmosphere. Doubtless this contributes a minute amount of global warming through this tiny fraction of CO2 trapping a tiny bit of heat.

The global warming hypothesis holds that this tiny fraction of CO2 will increase warming far out of proportion to its magnitude-- through its ability to increase water vapor in a spiralling feedback loop. Water vapor is also a greenhouse gas. The trouble with this hypothesis is that the expected temperature increase has not occurred, nor has anyone been able to demonstrate an increase in water vapor. It is likely that we increase water vapor far more by irrigation, but without creating global warming.

PS It's possible that CO2 has increased to 40 one-thousandths since I collected my data; haven't checked scientific data on this factor in a long while.

Posted by: Penelope | Jan 27 2016 6:55 utc | 104

Here is a great quote from the Russian Foreign Minister and the link from whence it came

"The world is leaving behind the epoch of the total domination of the West and is now in a long transition period to a more stable system, where there will be no single pole of domination," Lavrov said, adding that the emergence of a truly multi-polar world may take a "long and painful period as old customs take a long time to fade away."

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 27 2016 7:39 utc | 105

JD McKay, is the world's most-visited climate site. Anthony Watts gathers the science there-- both pro & con. He considers the warmist position an error and mocks only unscientific positions. His background is as a geologist or meteorologist-- can't remember which. He became a pro-warmist activist in 1988 as a result of a speech by Hansen and continued as a Green/environmental activist for years. In 1996 an article written by Jim Goodwin correlating warming with Urban Heat Islands caused him to investigate the ways in which NOOA violated its own guidelines in the positioning of its climate thermometers. This and other inconsistencies exposed to him the errors of the warmist position. So he started his site.

Maurice Strong, who died recently, was a board member of the Chicago Carbon Exchange. In interviews over the years and in speeches he expressed the desirability of de-industrialization and gathering people into small domains so that all the rest of the land can become wilderness.

He advocated tearing down dams, was against hydropower, people being allowed to eat meat, etc. If you google "Maurice Strong de-industrialization" or "Chicago Climate Exchange board of directors" you will find some really ugly facts about both.

Our real environmental targets should be Fukushima, depleted uranium, etc.

Posted by: Penelope | Jan 27 2016 7:55 utc | 106


Soros, and his 'billionaire' agiprop poodle Jim Rogers, who conned an entire new generation of suckers out of their 401ks by shouting 'Buy BRIC!!' in the crowded theater of post-SCDO (mortgage con) ticket shredders.

'The Titanic is sinking! Abandon your lifeboats, and jump into the sea! BRIC will save you!"

They looted our savings with their Dot-Con Neutron Bmob, they looted our Treasury with their Yellow Cake Neutron Bmob, they looted our home equity with their SCDO-Con Neutron Bmob, and now the Fourth Horseman of our Slow Motion Apocalypse will be fencing in of our freedoms to use energy and to migrate, by a Carpetbagging Mil.Gov Carbon Caliphate and their CBOTraitors.

Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 27 2016 9:28 utc | 107


I'm on your side, but CO2 does not 'trap' heat. The greenhouse effect is the water vapor cloud layer that forms during the day and holds the heat in during the night. CO2 does no such thing.

Go sit in the arid sub-Sahara or Atacama or Namib in a teeshirt overnight and see how well your 0.0040% trace gas CO2 keeps you warm. No water vapor, no greenhouse effect, and that's EXACTLY what Arrhenius, Godfather of the Carbon Caliphate said,"Water vapor and carbolic acid (CO2 dissolved in water vapor), tends MODERATE extremes in temperature."

Instead, because of massive deforestation and desertification, we are seeing EXTREMES of temperature. SE Asia is experiencing unprecedented cold. A friend in the Ryukus of S Japan said there has never been such cold as this week. Taiwan hit 28F. Hong Kong, even Hanoi in S Viet Nam, reached down to 50F!

This has absolutely nothing to do with the trace gas CO2, which at the atomic level occupies only a billionth fraction of the space in a cubic meter of air, and what narrow wavelengths and tiny fraction of daytime infrared black body cooling it does absorb, it immediately re-radiates out in all directions, including 57% towards outer space, just like a clear window pane re-radiates visible light (liquid:solid glass is billions times more dense to light, than trace CO2 gas is to infrared).

The pre-industrial Arrhenius thesis of climate moderation has been twisted and distorted into the Big Lie being propagated by the same Mil.Gov climate 'scientists' and 'ministers' whose six-figure government salaries, award fees and life-time full pensions depend entirely on perpetuating that same Big Lie.

Imagine $120,000 a year for life just by dog-whistling IPCC.

You might as well ask Penn and Teller if magic is real. You might as well ask SecDef Rumsfeld if the Pentagon really did 'misplace' $2,300 BILLION of our last life savings, $s that are never coming back again. And now the mullahs and monkeys at the Carbon Caliphate is coming for our hearths and our homes.

And they'll get it, they'll get all of it, because they control education, indoctrination and the system of tithes and taxes.

Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 27 2016 10:04 utc | 108


There are only three epochs in our history: Pre-Petrocene, our current Petrocene, and the all-too-soon brutal Post-Petrocene.

1,000,000 solar cells cannot generate the energy to build 1,000,000 more. They are not renewable. 100,000 wind generators cannot provide the energy to fabricate 100,000 more. They are not renewable. Geothermal fields grow cool before the energy it takes to harness them is generated. Ethanol uses more joules than it provides, while burning our food supply! It's a 'by-m-by' shuck-and-jive fraud, like Solar(Tent)City. An old con.

Only hydro is renewable energy, just as only agriculture is renewable food. We should be building smart dams with seasonal fish passage, and ceramic homes than will last for a millenium. We should be drilling large wells every 25 miles along every highway, a day's march, and around them sheltered pavilions for trade and barter, like the Silk Road that outlasted this epoch.

Instead we'll see brutal oil cartel wars, a new Scientocratic Papacy of elite ministers-as-thieves, vast hordes of Vampires looting our credit and savings, and not even a fraction of enough land now to feed 9 billion, once the Cold Chain, then Food Chain collapses, and we're back to mattocks and carabao, El Noche de los Mil Machetes between tribes over arable land.

The Petrocene could have been mankind's halcyon epoch.

Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 27 2016 10:35 utc | 109

The Guardian reports:
A mirror for those capable of seeing, not all are. Should be self explanatory - for those who comprehend what they read, not all can.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 27 2016 11:38 utc | 110

@103 vred

It's just a question of writing down the missing alternative and then giving it the obvious interpretation. Any one can do it. I'm glad the Colbert team came up with it, more people probably watch his show - by definition, it's TV - than read MoA, and the information is redundant for all of us here anyway, while probably it is not for a lot of folks who watch TV. 'So there was an unknown known for the American people ... and that’s the unknown known that we were denied.' And are still denied : it is known by even he most casual observer abroad by now that it is the USA itself that is responsible for global terrorism, for the death, devastation, destruction. and deceit that is washing over the Mideast, North Africa, the Ukraine, Central Asia ... the stuff that only a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate can 'get away with' ... but 'somehow' word has not reached the USA, where all of that remains 'unknown'. As Colbert points out though, it's just another punch line to a joke on his show.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 27 2016 12:19 utc | 111

@103 vred

My name is john francis lee, I don't have a secret identity, I just got too lazy to keep spelling it out. I got in the habit of identifying myself when I was sending shrub an email a day reminding him that 'good xtians' are not 'liars, murderers, and war criminals'; that although he'd claimed the one, he had become the other. It was supposed to be 'shock' therapy. My own private 'shock and awe', person to person, I suppose. Wake him up to what he'd go down in history as, for which he might have some concern. He certainly had no concern for the death, devastion, destruction and deceit he unleashed on innocents itself. That was still shocking in those days. Today its an unremarkable attribute - even Nobel Peace Prize Laureates are unconcerned with the millions they slay and the nations they destroy. My 'efforts' have had no discernible effect.

Thanks for the link though, and for pulling my leg. I've been missing your comments here.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 27 2016 12:38 utc | 112

I tried to post this one at the Putin as Christ Killer thread, but it's defunct, apparently ...

Media More Outraged by Possible Murder by Putin Than Definite Murder by Obama

... more evidence of the MSM's complicity in the crimes of the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate. The United Front.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 27 2016 12:49 utc | 113

Penelope at 104 --

A temperate remark on climate change. Accidental or intended humor? Regardless, suitably dry humor. Keep on keepin' on.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 27 2016 13:28 utc | 114

@jfl #112:

He certainly had no concern for the death, devastion, destruction and deceit he unleashed on innocents itself.

Obama and Hillary are exactly the same, as you know. Lack of concern for the slaughter of non-Americans appears to be part of mainstream American culture. For example, Noam Chomsky recently said in an interview that if he were in a swing state, he would vote for Hillary over a Republican.

the majority of analysts still believe Clinton to be the likely presidential nominee to emerge from the Democratic primaries.

If that were to happen, Chomsky told UpFront that he would absolutely vote for Clinton over any Republican, if he lived in a swing state.

As for appealing to the "Christianity" of people like Bush, that is a waste of time. Evangelicals have debased the understanding of Christianity in the US. Once you start pushing a "literal" interpretation of the Bible, you have created an intellectual climate in which "anything goes", and so, ironically, prepared the ground for postmodernism (the current bête noir of Russians).

Posted by: Demian | Jan 27 2016 14:19 utc | 115

The on going conversation on "climate change" reminded me of incidents that have occured to me which I'm sure have occured to other people here as well, judging by what's been written. The entire concept of whether the world is warming or not, is obviously too great an issue for one individual to grasp in its entirety. A student I had a year ago while studying the effects on climate in one of her classes, and "arguing" with me about it as young people will do, asked me, "you believe in climate change don't you?" As though the issue were some matter of faith like believing in the good lord god almighty. What I do believe is that the human species, through its drive to advance itself and fulfill its biological imperatives, has just about lost any overall ability to live a life of.moderation, as our philosophers once deemed was a good thing.

Chipnik has done a great job pointing out all the areas where particularly in our more "advanced" cultures, as Churchill would call us, we're really losing it. There's a possibility Trump will be elected. Having lived in NYC many years, for those of you not fully immersed in American pop culture, the thought of this possibility is like imaging this grotesque comic fantasy land Roman Empire Disney Land fairy tale. Personally, I can't see how his being Presudent would be a good thing.

But it does bring up another conversation I had with an American citizen, who was of Wilde's opinion, "everything in moderation including moderation." Well, this is great, but, when there's no comprehension of moderate behavior to begin with, just consider the girth of many Americans prior to McDonald's lowering its caloric and cholesterol levels, and I don't see much hope for anyone suddenly becoming lean in All the aspects of their lives that are out of control without a great deal of, I guess you'ld have to call it pain.

When I get out and survey the highway systems, and the perpetual stream of people travelling long distances for frequently frivolous or superfluous trips, like trips to the mountains to ski, or shopping, or Disney Land, what have you, a friend remarked to me once, "stand behind one NYC bus and where do you think that heat is going." Now picture the heat from thousands upon thousand of our various powered vehicles. Even the servers that transport these messages across the internet. This is like living high off the hog for sure.

One last thought about this, Plato illustrated the problem of mistaking "facts" for "wisdom," thousands of years ago, and if you ponder our political class today, this remains an ongoing situation and promises to be one for ever and ever. Particularly where our ruling classes inculcate our ignorance to keep us docile.

So, "climate change," whether you or I "believe" it or not, is one piece of a large puzzle. Yes, Fukishima as well as numerous ongoing cataclysmic environmental catastrophes that we like to forget about like the oil spill recently in the gulf of Mexico, are a part of "climate" change. As well as most if not all of the skirmishes goung on. Personally, I don't hold out much hope for the human species without a sudden about face, and I don't see that happening when there are arguments about whether I personally "believe" in climate change or not. All I can manage there is to try to live a life of moderation, even in my moderation.

Posted by: Geoff | Jan 27 2016 14:47 utc | 116

@guest77 #95:

What is it about Russia that they have to continually rip apart their forebears? … Now Putin is doing it to Lenin

I think you're being disingenuous when you place Putin in the same class as Lenin. Lenin said, the more priests we place in front of the firing squad, the better. All Putin is saying is that Russians should analyze the mistakes they have made in the past. The irrussionality blogger (who tends towards apologetics for the Empire, but that doesn't matter here) has put up a translation of Putin's further remarks on this subject:

Lenin, said that the state, the Soviet Union, should be formed on the principle, as he said (I may be mistaken, but the idea is clear), of complete equality with the right of secession from the Soviet Union. And this was a slow-acting mine under the building of our statehood. Moreover, the ethnicities of a multinational but in essence unitary state were given boundaries and territories, and these boundaries were drawn completely arbitrarily, and in general without any foundation. Take Ukraine. Why was it given Donbass? To increase the percentage of proletarians in Ukraine, in order to have social support there. It’s such gibberish, you understand? And it’s not the only example, there are many more.
I think Putin is spot on here. (As I've said before, my only real reservation about Putin is that he appears to lack an awareness that Russia must embark on a program of economic development that deviates significantly from anglophone economic orthodoxy.) Also, note that Putin is siding with Stalin against Lenin here, so it's not as if he's trashing all of Bolshevism with one broad stroke.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 27 2016 15:06 utc | 117

state of union...
*In an increasingly frightening and unstable world, there is one nation we know will stand firm and resolute in its commitment to freedom, human rights, democracy and the rule of law. Without the relentless, selfless efforts of the United States, humankind would plunge into a seething cauldron of tyranny, slavery, chaos and endless war. Besides Israel, severely weakened as it is by the constant strain of fending off the barbarian hordes seeking to “wipe it off the map” and Great Britain, incessantly pressured by its Leftist, pacifist neighbors to appease and negotiate, the home of the brave wages its courageous struggle virtually alone.*

Posted by: denk | Jan 27 2016 16:35 utc | 118

JackRabbit 45 and others. From the pov of the PTB - part of the Deep State, Arms Industry, Finance, Corps, etc.

Candidates: Hillary, Sanders, Trump and Ted Cruz (or substitute for Cruz, Bush, Rubio, etc.)

First off, you want to eliminate Trump. Unpredictable and untrustworthy. His big flaw is that he is not a pol but a business man; he is ignorant, hasty, ego-driven, a mess of contradictory relationships thrown into a personal frame, ready to wield, abuse, thus muck about, diminish, his power. OK one could go on about Trump - a hard call.

Hillary. A viperous mess. The PTB probably loathe her more than the public does. The scandals and arrogance are just too much, plus, what counts more than one reckons is she is a very unpleasant person. Personal relations are crucial. Plus, in the case of Hillary win one has to worry about who is VP.

Cruz + etc. - Repub. candidates - wedging in someone like that is tough and looks bad.

Who is left? Sanders! What, realistically, can Bernie effect about, e.g. universal health care (timeless saga in the US), Wall Street and so on? Hmm, most likely basically zilch. On foreign policy Sanders is just as belligerent as any, minus crazed public spittle like bomb bomb Iran or real men go to Teheran

The renewal card: US elects a young Black! Yay! Now a Socialist, Yay USA! might be pulled *one* last time.

Dire poverty, dissent, violence, aggro, badlands, in the US is becoming a real cause for alarm. The old deal (workers share in productivity gains, etc.), arrangements for the middle class and the poor to prevent sink to starvation level, has been eroded. Perhaps time to dial that a back a tad, offer glimmers of scintillating blue-screen hope? Who better than Pappy Sanders?

No ‘genuine’ candidates who hope for a win apply because the job is extremely dangerous, stressful, time-consuming, boring, personal initiatives are not permitted. Only scammy willing subservients or deluded stooges do so.

heh, we will see…what do I know…

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 27 2016 18:11 utc | 119

@Noirette #119:

The renewal card: US elects a young Black! Yay! Now a Socialist, Yay USA! might be pulled *one* last time.

The 2008 equivalent of Sanders was Edwards, not Obama. In 2008, the press could terminate the Edwards campaign by ignoring him. They tried to do the same to Sanders, but it didn't work this time, perhaps because the public mood had changed.

Also, replaying the Obama trick involves pushing Hillary, not Sanders. First a black president, now a woman! USA! The most progressive country in the world! Next a gay! And then a Lez! Finally a trannie. No need to come with a new, even more obscure minority after that, because the country will have ceased to exist by then.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 27 2016 18:41 utc | 120

According to CCTV News, there was a Holocaust Remembrance Day in Germany yesterday and the Palestinian Holocaust (perpetrated by Jews) didn't get a mention. Until the Jews remember, apolodise for, and reverse the effects of, the Palestinian Holocaust, they can shove their Favourite Holocaust where the sun doesn't shine. If Jews can forget a Holocaust, why shouldn't everyone else?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 27 2016 20:28 utc | 121

But there’s no business like Shoah business!

Also, the Shoah is special because the Holocaust religion is just an updating of Judaism, as Gilad Atzmon has shown. In Judaism, Jews are God's Chosen People. I the Shoah, the Jews are still special, this time, as being singled out for extermination. (Also, the idea of the Shoah first appears in the Book of Esther.)

No other ethnic holocaust has been turned into a religion. (Well, the Ukrainians come close, with their holmodomor. When I search for "holmodomor", the second term Google suggests is "holmodomor denial".)

Posted by: Demian | Jan 27 2016 20:46 utc | 122

Noirette@119- Who better than Pappy Sanders?

-sold. Ring the bell Tom Murphy!

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jan 27 2016 21:14 utc | 123

Chipnik @ 108

"what narrow wavelengths and tiny fraction of daytime infrared black body cooling it [CO2]does absorb, it immediately re-radiates out in all directions, including 57% towards outer space, just like a clear window pane re-radiates visible light (liquid:solid glass is billions times more dense to light, than trace CO2 gas is to infrared)."
I thought everyone was in agreement that CO2 does DIRECTLY -- outside of any purported "unavoidable" effect on water vapor-- cause a minute degree of warming. That is, through its ability to prevent re-radiance of a tiny fraction of sunlight. I know it's quite small, but I think it does exist. Do you have a link that says or demonstrates otherwise?

"Only hydro is renewable" The Russians (and common sense) have established that gas & oil are abiotic, therefore renewable. Not possible there's such a tremendous volume of decomposed plants & animals so deep under the surface.

"Instead, because of massive deforestation and desertification, we are seeing EXTREMES of temperature. SE Asia is experiencing unprecedented cold. A friend in the Ryukus of S Japan said there has never been such cold as this week. Taiwan hit 28F. Hong Kong, even Hanoi in S Viet Nam, reached down to 50F!"
Chipnik, three well-known climate periodicities are entering their cool phase, which probably better explain the cold temps you cite:

1. the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, which NASA indicated entered its cool phase in 2004:
"An important climate controller, the PDO is a basin-wide oceanic pattern similar to El Niño and La Niña but much larger. The PDO lasts many decades rather than just a few months like El Niño and La Niña. The climatic fingerprints of the PDO are most visible in the North Pacific and North America, with secondary influences coming from the tropics. The long-term nature of the PDO makes it useful for forecasting, as its effects persist for so long." --NASA

2. the approx 30 -year alternating cold/warm periodicity since 1470, which has few exceptions. Fig 3

3. Sunspot Cycle 24 is the weakest in 100 years. If it is followed by another weak cycle, which some German and Russian scientists are predicting, further cooling would be predicted. We won't know until at least 2018 and probably not for several years after that.

Posted by: Penelope | Jan 28 2016 0:02 utc | 125

Someone may be wondering what's up in Thailand ...

Going backwards serves the powerful

27 January 2016

A series of reports at Prachatai and at the Bangkok Post are a useful reminder of what Thailand is like when the military is in charge.

Corruption, the use of special powers, thuggery, working with business people to exploit the poor in coercive ways. And, impunity. The military and the bureaucrats can do whatever they want, and get away with murder, abduction, enforced disappearance and other gang-like bad behavior because, like a male street dog licking its undercarriage, they can.

We apologize for this rather rude analogy but the actions of the military and the junta are uncivil, uncouth and brutish.

The first story at Prachatai relates to three suspects – red shirts, of course – arrested, tortured, kept in jail longer than the law allowed and accused of accused of “carrying out an attack with explosives on the PDRC protest in Trat on 22 February 2014, which resulted in the deaths of three people, two of them children, and 39 injured.” They were acquitted by the Provincial Court in Trat. The evidence was non-existent and the military thugs who arrested them didn’t even bother to appear in court.

The second Prachatai story is one that seems a remarkably 20th century account of primitive accumulation. Investors, in cooperation with the authorities sent hired thugs to attack a rural community the tycoons want moved (in many previous cases the thugs have usually military men out of uniform). In this case, “a group of men with military and police officers came to the beach and surrounded the area, which the investors have been attempting to use for developing lucrative projects for years.” The local community was attacked and beaten when they objected to the tycoons taking their community and land.

The first Bangkok Post story is about the use of Article 44 to progress business interests at the expense of local communities, mainly in border areas, including coal-fired power stations. The idea is to prevent local communities complaining.

The last story is an op-ed by Sanitsuda Ekachai, with a title that sums up everything in the four stories: “Poor suffer as regime goes back to old ways.” Land “reform,” small-scale fishers, farming communities being pushed about by miners, and more, all supported by the political and economic bosses and their hired thugs. As one activist described it: “Our country is going backward in time, not years, but decades…”.

The same time machine is active all around the world, but Thailand is a classic case. No figleaves.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 28 2016 0:09 utc | 126

@126 I get my Thailand news from

It looks like nothing but rape and murder.

Posted by: dh | Jan 28 2016 0:27 utc | 127

@125 pen

It's cold here in chiangrai, warming up, I hope. Houses here are unheated. Same temperature inside as outside. Winters have marked cold spells like this over the past three years. One year there's going to be a killing frost with devastating effect. Climate change is change, not uniform warming. The climate is changing.


Our worlds lush forests, before we cut them down, were a demonstration of the weakness of your unreproducible argument and of the proven ability of brother sun to sustain us all here at home on mother earth. Life is reproduction, by definition.

Pen, I'm beginning to think you're a committee of trolls. Chip, my man, you seem to be Jekyll and Hyde ... I can't tell if you're Jekyll amongst the friendly muslims in North Africa when you're on your meds and Hyde spitting disdsain and abuse for us all when you're off, or vice versa.

You are both taking up quite a few column inches with your too, too, reproducible "it's all a hoax/gloom and doom" postings. Now you're teaming up together? Just my opinion, of course. No accounting for taste. What do I know ... just another bozo on the bus.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 28 2016 0:30 utc | 128

@127 dh

Never heard of the guy. The dictator is blocking his site from inside Thailand. Tried two public proxies ... AD keeps his site pale and inaccessible if javascript is not enabled ... looks like an expat site.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 28 2016 0:36 utc | 129

He used to live in Pattaya. Made a nuisance of himself writing exposes of the local expat criminals. Left in a hurry. Now in UK.

Posted by: dh | Jan 28 2016 0:37 utc | 130

There's nothing quite like Yves Smith take-down. And she does a superb job in Krugman's Cowardly Attack on David Dayen Over Krugman's Misrepresentation of Sanders Financial Reforms.

I suggested, in comments, that Yves remove Krugman from her blogroll several times. He has been more political partisan than economist for quite some time. He is generally only mentioned when he does something that raises the ire of the NC community.

I also think NC should also explicitly endorse Sanders. They are clearly pro-Sanders. And with Lambert on board, they NC is more political then it used to be.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 28 2016 1:06 utc | 131

Follow-up to 131:

I have previously taken issue with NC's below-the-radar support for Sanders.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 28 2016 1:23 utc | 132

Hey b,

Given the many comments related to the US election, maybe an Open Thread that is focused on the election would make sense?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 28 2016 1:27 utc | 133

Posted by: jfl | Jan 28 2016 2:00 utc | 134

jfl@134-I don't know- that Finicum was a batshit crazy moron, along with the rest of the Patriots camped alongside Native American land. I think the tribal elder was speaking for the entire rest of the world when he stated- get the hell out, we don't need you here..or something to that effect.

But I agree with your second paragraph.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jan 28 2016 2:08 utc | 135

Christian Parenti, author of The Tropic of Chaos, has a piece on the same subject, The Next Refuge Crisis.

No matter what remedial acts we may undertake, and so far it's been fullspeed ahead in the oppostite direction, we're in for it. And the TNCs, through their captive governments - like the USG - are going to 'leverage' the death, devastation, destruction, and deceit to terrorize us all, worldwide, just as they are doing now in the Mideast, North Africa and Europe.

I think it would be good if we gained real control of our governments. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 28 2016 2:25 utc | 136

@135 nana 'that Finicum was a batshit crazy moron'

So was Crazy Huey Newton, according to some folks. I think shoot first is the order of the day all over the USA, just as it always has been in the 'wild west' of the Indians, on the plantations and in urban black neighborhoods, and outside the USA. The boys with the guns have now have carte blanche ... anywhere, anytime. The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, his Attorney General and their likely successors have their backs.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 28 2016 2:32 utc | 137

That standoff in Oregon lasted a long time. Lots of 'boys with guns'. Seemed like a matter of time before somebody got shot.

Posted by: dh | Jan 28 2016 2:37 utc | 138

"You are both taking up quite a few column inches with your too, too..."
Posted by: jfl | Jan 27, 2016 7:30:28 PM | 128

Mile pot calls Inch kettles black?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 28 2016 2:50 utc | 139

@137- he got that name for being a card carrying bad ass. And he had half a brain. Whatever happened to Finicum happens daily to black youths across America, as you say. At least he got to die like a cowboy, or something. Sorry if I assumed you were suffering from old angry white guy sympathy.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jan 28 2016 2:52 utc | 140

-apologies Huey Newton was highly intelligent. Those bozos stood for themselves, and maybe their personal walk with Jesus and guns hallelujah...

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jan 28 2016 3:00 utc | 141

@135 nana 'that Finicum was a batshit crazy moron'

So was Crazy Huey Newton, according to some folks. I think shoot first is the order of the day all over the USA, just as it always has been in the 'wild west' of the Indians, on the plantations and in urban black neighborhoods, and outside the USA. The boys with the guns have now have carte blanche ... anywhere, anytime. The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, his Attorney General and their likely successors have their backs.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 28 2016 3:10 utc | 142

What's going on with Ban Ki-Moon lately? Has he been at the hot sauce?

Posted by: dh | Jan 28 2016 3:13 utc | 143

@139 hw

Right on time!

@141 @142

My point is that neither of them should have been gunned down. Nor should literally millions of others. The USG is/has been/will be out of control as long as we let it be.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 28 2016 3:15 utc | 144

jfl@144- got it. Thanks for the Parenti link by the way.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jan 28 2016 3:28 utc | 145

Just another bozo on the bus....

Yeah, you got that right.

Comparing a right-wing wack job, who was in the middle of an actual terrorist act (an armed seizure of a Federal facility with the intent of forcing changes to Federal land use policy and the release of convicted arsonists, destroying Native American sacred sites in the process) and who by even the accounts of Tea Partiers present resisted arrest, with a Black Panther I think counts as jumping the shark.

The state has coddled the Tea Party militias, e.g., range thief Cliven Bundy. They murdered Panthers in cold blood. Nuff said.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 28 2016 3:41 utc | 146

Damn, link error - from the Oregonian, Robert 'LaVoy' Finicum shot and killed while charging police, driver says.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 28 2016 3:44 utc | 147

p.s. The state did not get Huey. His Wiki notes that a member for the Black Guerrilla Family, composed of disaffected former Panthers, gunned Newton down on an Oakland street in 1989.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 28 2016 3:48 utc | 148

Here's hoping this is the beginning of the end for our dingbat lady Macbeth..../former-house-majority-leader-claims-fbi-ready-indict-hillary-clinton

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jan 28 2016 4:23 utc | 149

Buzz off nana. A man is dead for sticking up for his beliefs. Just because the majority of the public disagreed does not mean that the act was wrong to do. The Arab spring came from a shopkeeper self-immolation. Waiting for the 'right' battle to demonstrate over will result in a lot of waiting

Posted by: aaaaa | Jan 28 2016 8:00 utc | 150

It is now clear that I am wasting my time here.

I started commenting here because, after the Maidan, it was one of the few sites that questioned that pro-Banderist narrative.

I have endured three months of baseless personal attacks, over a casual wisecrack. I endured and fought back. I didn't really care, until I realized a few things.

An outside site picked up a recent on a Donbas settlement, calling it a "thought-provoking comment." BTW, it ain't gonna happen, as there is no way in hell Kiev will accept Moscow's minimum demands.

The response here -- silence, except for one "congrats". That the whole matter was later discussed as though I had said nothing on the topic was only very, very, slightly annoying. I'm a red, we're used to being ignored or misconstrued.

It is this thread that proved the straw that broke the camel's back.

The death of a proto-fascist is being spun as some sort of noble act of resistance. Linicum was violent extremist who courted death, not some sort of "Oregon spring" martyr. The suicide by cop somehow becomes another conspiracy theory.

By itself, just another cross to bear. But here comes a normally sensible commentator (and thanks again for your congrats, Nana2007, on my Fort Russ feature), who is willing to accept the assurances of the infinitely corrupt Tom Delay that the FBI is going to act against Mrs. Clinton over possible technical violations of State's IT policy. And these were only found due to the ongoing Tea Party fabrication of Benghazi. I'm sure it will turn hard evidence that she personally shot Vince Foster, too....

So I will leave field you "antizionists," opponents of "warmism," Sandy Hook/San Bernadino/Sept. 11/Charlie Hebdo/Bataclan conspiracy theorists and assorted lumpen "pwogwessive zombies."

I will leave as I entered, on frozen conflict in the Donbas. Kiev wants the Crimea back, but Lavrov says, "Of course, you can follow the logic of our Ukrainian colleagues who keep on saying they will recapture Donbas this year and get back Crimea next year but, as a matter of fact, it would be better to speak about the implementation of the Minsk ceasefire agreements....”

Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 28 2016 12:24 utc | 151

Well some say its OK for the state to gun down the people they don't like but not the people they do. I think it's unequivocally wrong for the state to gun anyone down. It may be this guy was attacking the FBI, six-guns blazing, but I don't/won't believe it without proof, and if they had it we'd have watched it till it was imprinted on our retinas by now.

It's true that Huey Newton wasn't gunned down by the state, so take Bobby Hutton as the counterpoint if you will. There are hundreds, if not thousands of other non-white people to hold up as counter points to the single right winger gunned down here. It's the new terrorism schtick that gives the little piggies their license to kill, bestowed by the Big Piggie in Chief whose Nobel Peace Prize is his license to kill, that has made this murder unremarkable, even though its the murder of a white male this time.

In fact they may have popped this guy just to inflame the others of his ilk out west, to stir up further terrorist 'plots' and 'conspiracies' out west, so they can murder more white males, thereby making their murders as unremarkable as the murder of Blacks. Make them equal opportunity murderers, even up the number of white notches in their belts ... see how 'just' we are? we murder everyone, not only non-whites. No inequality here, we're 'equitable'.

Things have degenerated to a remarkable extent since the 1960s. Can you imagine Blacks with guns today patrolling the streets of Oakland? I don't think they'd last a single day, a single hour. And there'd be stacks of bodies, no onesy-twosy stuff. None of these people should have been gunned down. Nor should Waco, for instance, ever have occurred.

And our high-blown personal opinions of ourselves regardless ... we're all just bozos on the bus. I condemn the murder of this poor bozo in Oregon just as I condemn the murder of Bobby Hutton, for instance, because it could have been me, or any one of us, if we were in the frame when they happened to be feeling like killing and had determined that circumstances were such that they could get away with a lusty squeeze of the trigger. They'd construct a media case against us posthumously, from old MoA posts, and finish us off on TV ex post facto.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 28 2016 12:32 utc | 152

Thrones? What an over sized (ego) joke!

Posted by: doveman | Jan 28 2016 12:46 utc | 153

Check out the evolution of the Black Panther Ten-point Program over the years between 1966 to 1972.

It wasn't too bad in 1966, according to my lights, but it was definitely better in 1972 ... good enough for today. I have no problem adopting it.

The Panthers' Program evolved due to the evolution of their of their own thought, through self-education and praxis.

Who knows, the program of the Wise Use people - if that's what they call themselves - may evolve as well. I hope they it does.

I know the USG is guilty on one murder already, in their case. I hope it's the last.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 28 2016 14:01 utc | 154

@83 MM2

That's a great link to Clare Daly (United Left Alliance?) TD (Teachta Dála?) reading the riot act in the Dáil Éireann(?).

She's absolutely right, in my opinion. I was interested to see Tariq Ali interviewing Paul Murphy Socialist TD via a link someone left here ... by yourself?

I hope the Europeans can vote down this horrid TTIP, I'm afraid the US Congress will simply pass it ... attached to a money bill ... Obama will certainly sign it.

The other side have already passed the TPP ...

The TPP (fulltext)
The TPP and the New Global Corporate Government
Why the TPP must be opposed at all costs

I imagine the US Congress will simply pass that in the same manor ... karlof voiced hope, I wish he'd fleshed out his reasons for feeling hopeful a bit.

I think that 'we the people' in the USA are going to be reduced to announcing To Whom It May Concern that we will not be bound by it, no matter our unrepresentative politicians claim to have bound us, and that we will officially repudiate it at our soonest opportunity.

We Americans, like the Europeans, are an occupied people at this point, and must overthrow our occupiers as well : the TNCs.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 28 2016 15:03 utc | 155

@83 MM2

That's a great link to Clare Daly (United Left Alliance?) TD (Teachta Dála?) reading the riot act in the Dáil Éireann(?).

She's absolutely right, in my opinion. I was interested to see Tariq Ali interviewing Paul Murphy Socialist TD via a link someone left here ... by yourself?

I hope the Europeans can vote down this horrid TTIP, I'm afraid the US Congress will simply pass it ... attached to a money bill ... Obama will certainly sign it.

The other side have already passed the TPP ...

The TPP (fulltext)
The TPP and the New Global Corporate Government
Why the TPP must be opposed at all costs

I imagine the US Congress will simply pass that in the same manor ... karlof voiced hope, I wish he'd fleshed out his reasons for feeling hopeful a bit.

I think that 'we the people' in the USA are going to be reduced to announcing To Whom It May Concern that we will not be bound by it, no matter our unrepresentative politicians claim to have bound us, and that we will officially repudiate it at our soonest opportunity.

We Americans, like the Europeans, are an occupied people at this point, and must overthrow our occupiers as well : the TNCs.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 28 2016 15:03 utc | 156

116;OK,let US know what the current and previous Ziowhores have given America?We need a nationalist to rescue US from Zion.Is Trump it?I'm unsure,but if he aint,Hitler redux is down the road,waiting.
Obomba at the Israeli consulate;We share values with Israel.
What a terrible disappointment to America,this asshat clown.

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 28 2016 15:47 utc | 157

148;so MSM accounts are gospel to you?Why,because the victim was a rural white rancher?
The truth of this affair is still to be revealed,and the MSM aren't cooperating.
These guys get up at 5 every morning,probably die younger than the rest of US from their hard lives,and put the food on your table.Stop the divide and conquer crap,as Americans(if you are)Pare all in this together,as our federal govt goes further out of control.As mentioned,the cops in ST.Louis are creeps,why do you think the ones in Oregon aren't?Same ethos,command and control.
Native American artifacts damage;Well,I don't know about that,but I bet some ranchers have native American blood,as I do.Could be just propaganda of D and C.

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 28 2016 15:58 utc | 158

RM;Proto fascist.Haha.I bet they couldn't even spell it.
Of course Commies are held in contempt.Just like Fascists,both wings of the command and control freaks.

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 28 2016 16:02 utc | 159

rufus@151- I merely linked to the article. I should have stated consider the source, maybe. She herself loudly proclaimed recently that no one is above the law. Petraeus did time for similar offenses..well nearly. Chelsey Manning.

For a communist you have a lot of sympathy for the technocrats.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jan 28 2016 17:08 utc | 160

RM apes Tricky Dick: "You won't have Nixon to kick around any more."

Self-inflicted wounds really sting, huh?

Boo-hoo. It's a big internet.

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That "casual wisecrack" was insensitive and callous. But it could've been easily dealt with by expressing regret for having made it, retracting it, and/or condemning state murder. But RM "fought back" with seemingly endless BS instead.

They say the cover-up is worse than the crime (its what brought down Tricky Dick). In adamantly refusing to acknowledge that he had made an offensive remark, RM revealed his bias and his determination to hide that bias.

But there's more. RM denied his support for neocon Hillary. Multiple times and making various excuses. And yet, in his farewell he can't resist making remarks that support her.

And he ungraciously points the finger at the MoA community. WE have all dissed the Magister. WE just don't appreciate His genius and ever-so-practical lesser-evilism. WE won't walk down His garden path.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 28 2016 17:09 utc | 161

"Of course Commies are held in contempt.Just like Fascists,both wings of the command and control freaks."

You got this off a box of Cheerios. Fascism and Communism are not similar to any degree. Stalingrad proved it.

Posted by: ruralito | Jan 28 2016 18:21 utc | 162

@151 bye - you won't be missed

Posted by: aaaaaa | Jan 28 2016 21:00 utc | 163

Posted by: aaaaaa | Jan 28 2016 21:06 utc | 164

jfl @ 128,
That was the very first time that I have addressed Chipnik. My first purpose was to ask him to supply a link for his belief that CO2 could exert warming solely thru its postulated effect on water vapor. I expressed that I understand it exerts a small greenhouse effect directly. And for THAT we are "trolls teaming up"? Or was it for my citing NASA's quote and link that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has entered its 30-year cool phase?

My original post @ 30 supplied a tidal gauge study and a satellite study which found that the rate of sea level rise was DECREASING and was annually between the thickness of 2-3 pencil leads. I explained and critiqued the reasoning which had allowed the satellite study to raise their raw data by 1.2 mm in order to reach even 3 mm.

I then supplied this link to 8 more studies:
*A Chart of Tide Gauge studies by 8 other parties shows no remarkable variance.

For a total of TEN studies cited, jfl. TEN studies by scientists who actually measured. The post was a model of objectivity. You were wise not to address the studies, jfl. Personal attacks on those who dare to cite scientific studies are so much easier. If I am a committee of trolls, what do you call someone who tries to intimidate others to prevent their citing scientific studies?

And I can't think of anything LESS "doom and gloom" than investigating to discover the scientific truth, then disseminating it in the optimism that those who are capable of overcoming their propagandization by the MSM do exist.

Finally jfl, I think it's really an unkindness on your part to make comments about meds or mental state to Chipnik. He's doing his best and I often learn where to direct my inquiries from his posts-- but then I'm open to new data. You might question your own emotional state and your casual scoffing at others when you posted @ 128, and leave Chipnik and I to take care of ours.

Posted by: Penelope | Jan 29 2016 0:10 utc | 165

@165 Pen, 'leave Chipnik and I to take care of ours'

You're right. I usually do. I will resume my usual stance. Sometimes I allow myself to be overcome by my emotional reaction to what others put forth. Good luck to both of you.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 29 2016 3:10 utc | 166

Irish Times: Saudi-backed Syrian Rebels Boycott Geneva Talks
Talks will go ahead without them but will be almost meaningless until/unless they join.

The Guardian view on the Syrian peace talks: fake diplomacy is no diplomacy

First, the question of protecting Syrian civilians has all but fallen off the agenda. There can be no progress without attention to their plight. Second, western powers seem to have made key political concessions to Russia and Iran, the main enablers of the Assad regime. As as result, the Syrian dictator will feel even more empowered to pursue the mass targeting of his own countrymen and to continue a war of attrition in the belief that he will ultimately come out the winner.


... letting Mr Assad get the upper hand will only fuel the Isis myth that it alone can defend Sunni Muslims. Talks for the sake of talks may give an illusion of progress but they come at a high price for Syrians, and western security too. Fake diplomacy is no diplomacy.

Could there have been a better set-up for intervention? USA has tried so so so earnestly to make talks happen - even to the point of conceding too much. This causes the opposition to boycott the talks, prompting ridicule from the MSM. Obama wants peace (legacy!!!) but USA+Turkey+KSA?+Jordan?+? is forced by public outcry to attack and occupy ISIS territory - creating a de-facto partition.

Am I being too cynical?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 29 2016 4:15 utc | 167

For someone reconciled to the impossibility of leaving on a high note,
"Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish" was definitely the next best thing...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 29 2016 7:38 utc | 168

162;actually it was grape nuts.So the Nazis and commies weren't about command and control?Holy crap.
RM;Check out the video at the Graun;murder pure and simple.Cops out of control.It looked like he was shot in the back.

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 29 2016 16:46 utc | 169

china must be feeling like a hairly crab watching itself being dismembered bit by bit.......

during the 70's
bhutan's king was assasinated by raw when he tried to court beijing's friendship, the tiny kingdom was made an indian protectorate ever since.
when sikkim tried to reach out to beijing , it was invaded and annexed outright by india.

pro china nepalese king birendra's whole family was wiped out in a palace massacre soon after his return from beijing, nepalese widely believed its a cia/raw joint op.
an ex diplomat , no less, had recently said so openly.

birendra's successor was ousted by , cia/raw backed maoists.

jp pm Ichiro Ozawa reversed decades of washington directed hostility towards beijing, made a huge effort
in reconciliation with china. washington engineered a bloodless coup, replacing ozawa with another anti china right wing hawk. [4]

no sooner than xi's red carpet visit to bangkok when thailand's pm yingluck was deposed by a *swarming mob* style rev, a military junta consisted of us trained officers took over.

pro china sri lankan prez Rajapaksa was booted out by washington/delhi backed opposition.
chinese projs immediately halted.

ned/aei poster child aung shan suki deplaced beijing aligned myanmar govn.

csis darling tsai ying wen of pro independence party succeeded ma ying jiu as tw prez [1]

kerry is currently in cambodia, liao , working his *magic* on china's two remaing allies no doubt,
what could he possibly tell the two leaders ?
may be like what uncle sham told pakistan, *u can have a pot of gold or i can bomb u back to stone age*
or what clinton the enforcer possibly told the myanmese leaders,
*would u like to be with ghadaffi or with me* ?

would kerry succeed ?
the snake's track record above speaks for itself.
after all, didnt the myanmese generals wet their pants and acceded to the rise of angshan ned suki after clinton wispered something into their ears ?

dont underestimate the persuasive power a clinton or kerry.
anybody who can summon the 7 fleet at short notice isnt to be taken lightly !
what did ph foreign minister said about the scs , before clinton descended on manila like a ton of bricks ?
* Foreign Secretary Alberto Romulo told reporters that negotiations should be strictly between the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and China, without the United States or any other party.

Asked if he supported US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's statement last month hinting at greater US involvement in the South China Sea dispute, Romulo said: "No".

"It's ASEAN and China. Can I make myself clear? It's ASEAN and China. Is that clear enough?" Romulo told reporters. [[3]

what happens after clinton the enforcer had a pep talk with prez aquino ?
*manila wants us military aid to deal with aggressive china* !!

ever since xi's party in kl 2013, it almost look like someone had put a curse on malaysia,

mh370 disppeared,
mh17 shot down,
airasia exploded in midair,
helicopter with najib's chief of staff on board exploded in midair,
mh148 had a near miss with engine malfunction,
mh132 given wrong flight plan....
malaysian airline technically bankrupt.

pm najib is currently fighting for his political life,
a target of wsj, bbc mounted media campaign.
wonder where did these two nwo mouthpiece get all their scoops from ?

najib on mh370 and kidnapping of chinese nationals
*somebody is trying to drive a wedge bet malaysia and china *


ashton carter
*china is isolating itself by its action in the scs*

wonder if the UsualSuspect has anything to do with the election outcome ;-)
everybody body knows what ned does for a living, what about csis ?




Posted by: denk | Jan 30 2016 3:13 utc | 170

Wow - the NSA actually did something that might be perceived as good!

Posted by: aaaaaa | Jan 30 2016 19:45 utc | 171

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