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January 19, 2016
Open Thread 2016-04
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Iran should consider the current sanction lifting as if it was not done at all and act the same way it was before. As it is world markets have issues and staying out of crashes would be prudent. They have worked hard for 4 decades and should keep their economy, good or bad, isolated from big corps and wall street. They are smart and they can handle this until US and West change the attitude. EU countries are flocking for business and Iran should put strict conditions for going along with the hegemonic US attitude. Posted by: Santa | Jan 19 2016 19:01 utc | 1 Impeach Gov Brown and get rid of Dems and Repugs from California. Posted by: Jack Sm,ith | Jan 19 2016 19:06 utc | 2 I don’t have a link for it but the Federal Government has now claimed Michigan is a disaster area so they can get Federal funds even though the disaster was man made criminality. The governor admits that he knew about the problem but did nothing until forced to do so, but won’t resign. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 19 2016 21:01 utc | 3 Thanks for sharing the distinction on use of federal disaster funds. FACEBOOK BANS LEBANESE AL-MAYADEEN TV
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 19 2016 22:33 utc | 5 Mrs. Schwartz: Jeb Bush sez, if elected, he’ll put sanctions on Iran again. He’ll make sure the world knows that Israel is our friend. I’m concerned about Iran and that nut running North Korea. He might do something crazy. Posted by: fast freddy | Jan 19 2016 22:34 utc | 6 So the new winter hurricanes are melting the Earth’s ice at a rate perhaps a hundredfold greater than “predicted”, Trump, the dystopic Biff Tannen, is about to become president of US.Corp, and all that has recently illuminated the true state of the new global political system is being restricted, shut down, and marginalized. In Syria, after years of false-flagging subterfuge, the vampire west is now claiming that Assad is paying actors, complete with rotting teeth, to implicate said rogues and thieves for their crimes. Posted by: L Bean | Jan 19 2016 23:12 utc | 7 @7 Lady Bean I’m in the Wild Wild West of Western Massachusetts (West of the Connecticut River). Posted by: blues | Jan 20 2016 0:14 utc | 9 blues, I live in FL, where the only cable provider available in my county has plenty of religious programming and sports but if you want RT it costs $29.99 extra per month(for just the one channel! I doubt ANYONE pays for it). I don’t have cable tv anymore, anyway. Posted by: L Bean | Jan 20 2016 0:22 utc | 10 See New VIDEO:Bernie Sanders is Better than Hillary Clinton Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 20 2016 0:27 utc | 11 “but if you want RT it costs $29.99 extra per month(for just the one channel! I doubt ANYONE pays for it).” Posted by: blues | Jan 20 2016 0:27 utc | 12 And fuck Sanders too. As someone already posted in the last thread, “Assad gassed his own people”, or some such. Sanders is the new Hope-n-Change. Posted by: L Bean | Jan 20 2016 0:31 utc | 13 Vote strategically, not heroically. Get simple score voting. Don’t listen to the complex score voting propagandists. They are all fake. Posted by: blues | Jan 20 2016 0:38 utc | 14 @ PetriKrohn @5 Posted by: metni | Jan 20 2016 1:18 utc | 15 @13 Do you want Hillary to win the Democratic nomination? We are not talking about the general election at this point as I explain in this video: Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 20 2016 1:34 utc | 16 metni@15- Posted by: Nana2007 | Jan 20 2016 1:40 utc | 17 O/T ROKU has RT as a free channel — they also have Link and FSTV free channels. Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jan 20 2016 1:48 utc | 18 A glimpse of the on-going drama in Greece. It’s at a low level, for now, but there are irritants that seem likely to cause some flare-up. Despite the extrusion of the Left Platform/Popular Unity opposition, many in Syriza remain uncomfortable with the measures they are imposing.
Nah, Comrade Tsipras would never go back on his word after drawing a line in the sand like that, right? And so the Greek proletariat is safe, for now. Or at least the pensioners.
They continue to work the hopey-changey thing. As they fasten the chains, assurances that they will someday be lightened are offered. WSJ quotes George Katrougalos, the labor minister who offered the formal proposal, as saying “We still stick to our goal of changing Europe. We have simply accepted that our influence on the long-term dynamics is going to be slower than expected….”
FP was particularly keen on privatizations.
Easier said than done, of course.
The Freikorps were part of the nationalist milieu that spawned the Nazis, in whose later ranks many alumni appeared. Hollande and Blair do not seem to have fallen far from Noske’s tree. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 20 2016 1:57 utc | 19 So here is an interesting link about Xi’s trip to the ME and a takeaway quote Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 20 2016 2:02 utc | 20 Here is a ZH posting about Turkey crackdown on academics and the closing bit.. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 20 2016 2:18 utc | 21 rufus@19- Posted by: Nana2007 | Jan 20 2016 2:19 utc | 22 So, La Merkel is anti-TIIP behind the scenes.. Posted by: Nick | Jan 20 2016 2:38 utc | 23 The Empire’s choice is HRC. Is Sanders a better candidate? I believe, not only a better candidate, but, a better human being. Perfect? No, but the best available to date.http://feelthebern.org/ Posted by: ben | Jan 20 2016 2:42 utc | 24 NYT: Diplomacy and Sanctions, Yes. Left Unspoken on Iran? Sabotage..
Are they admitting this as a humble-brag “we got game?” or is it being “leaked” to make them look like bad-asses? Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jan 20 2016 2:54 utc | 25 And from the Real News: Posted by: ben | Jan 20 2016 2:55 utc | 26 Posted by: ben | Jan 19, 2016 9:42:38 PM | 24 Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 20 2016 3:03 utc | 27 Not sure about this report of Turkish troops crossing into Syria at Jarabulus. Anyone have more info? Posted by: Lozion | Jan 20 2016 3:19 utc | 28 JS @ 27: “The lesser of the two evils when will we learn, remember Change you can believe in?” Posted by: ben | Jan 20 2016 3:21 utc | 29 @ ben 29: The Bern in his own words. Pfffft. Posted by: wendy davis | Jan 20 2016 3:33 utc | 30 nana2007 at 22 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 20 2016 3:46 utc | 31 Lozion at 28 Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 20 2016 3:57 utc | 32 “Some Americans knew Mr. O was a “Trojan Horse” candidate, and held their noses when voting. Is it happening again? Maybe.. Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 20 2016 4:22 utc | 33 @32 Rufus, txs and my bad I should’ve checked the source before posting. I would find that rather unsettling if Turkey did decide to send ground troops in their supposed “safe zone”, a recipe for catastrophe.. Posted by: Lozion | Jan 20 2016 4:22 utc | 34 Posted by: wendy davis | Jan 19, 2016 10:33:25 PM | 30 Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 20 2016 4:26 utc | 35 JS @ 33: ” When will we learn!” Posted by: ben | Jan 20 2016 4:28 utc | 36 I’m prepare to vote for Bernie if he publicly state. I’ll will not give a nickel to the apartheid state and will impose sanction on any nations that do business with them, unless Israel withdrew to pre 1967 borders and Golan Heights. Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 20 2016 4:37 utc | 38 Thanks for the reply Jack. This I’m afraid, is the best you’ll get from BS on the Israel/ Palestinian issue. Posted by: ben | Jan 20 2016 4:46 utc | 39 Posted by: ben | Jan 19, 2016 11:29:20 PM | 37 Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 20 2016 4:47 utc | 40 lozion at 34 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 20 2016 5:15 utc | 42 So here is a link and snippet about Xi’s ME trip via article in Egyptian newspaper…..notice part about Palestine. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 20 2016 5:22 utc | 43 I believe that there is a financial war going on that most have no idea about. Read this recent posting: Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 20 2016 5:43 utc | 44 @ 33 The point is not at all of “believing in” a candidate. the point is it makes no sense to sit on your hands and allow a more extreme candidate to win the Democratic nomination, I am talking about the PRIMARY. I explain these things in my video and mention and link to what I did for the general election last time: VIDEO: Bernie Sanders is Better than Hillary Clinton Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 20 2016 6:27 utc | 45 Maybe someone with a financial background-paul meli?- could answer this question- if no federal disaster relief is forthcoming for Flint Michigan residents, is the state of michigan liable for damages? Isn’t michigan already bankrupt?
Posted by: Nana2007 | Jan 20 2016 6:37 utc | 46 There are many problems with Bernie. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 20 2016 6:59 utc | 47 “U.S. training helped mold top Islamic State military commander” Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 20 2016 7:05 utc | 48 Source (post #48): Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 20 2016 7:15 utc | 49 “The police of Dothan, Alabama framed black young men for drug and weapons crimes and they did it for decades”. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 20 2016 7:32 utc | 50 @47 Apparently you didn’t watch the debate. He has been going after her. Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 20 2016 7:47 utc | 51 @Tom Murphy Reading the book guest77 linked to the other day, The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the rise of America’s secret government, Chapter 20, For the Good of the Country …
DeGaulle speaking at arm’s length of the first, experimentally-created, American mass unknown known. Challenged by Robert Kennedy, we doubled down … and we’ve never looked back since, piling unknown known upon unknown known. They tower above us now, and we’ve all come privately to know – and love? as a masochist loves his/her dominatrix – our unknown knowns, right down to our terrorist wars in central Asia, the Middle East, Northern Africa, the Ukraine … our wars against terrorism. Blood was examined after people had used or even just carried a cell phone. Read about the conditions under which the following happened: Normal blood cells on a slide are like pennies spread in a single, flat layer. After the cell phone experiment, the cells had become so sticky that they arranged themselves like pennies in a coin wrapper. Posted by: Penelope | Jan 20 2016 9:26 utc | 54 General Votel was Chief of Joint Special Operations Command , Fort Bragg. He was then in charge of President Obama’s targeted assassinations worldwide. Posted by: Penelope | Jan 20 2016 9:45 utc | 55 OBAMA’s faction has LOST CONTROL of the Pentagon. I thought so about a week ago. Now I’m more sure. You better read this Saker article by Scott. I think they’ve got at least 60 ships sitting out in the Persian Gulf now. http://thesaker.is/nuland-meets-surkov-to-warn-about-imminent-nato-attack-by-scott/ Posted by: Penelope | Jan 20 2016 10:36 utc | 56 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 19, 2016 9:02:51 PM | 20 Posted by: somebody | Jan 20 2016 10:54 utc | 57 @44 psychoH Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 20 2016 11:41 utc | 58 44 Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 20 2016 11:42 utc | 59 voting, Posted by: john | Jan 20 2016 11:47 utc | 60 add to #56
Posted by: somebody | Jan 20 2016 12:01 utc | 61 Here is the current UN gossip, Obama is looking to head the UN after BKM!! The world is ending… Posted by: Kevin | Jan 20 2016 12:49 utc | 62 54 Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 20 2016 13:06 utc | 63 JR@47 Posted by: metni | Jan 20 2016 13:31 utc | 64 59;The Zionist MSM want no part of Trump.Every story in their rags is a hit on Trump.Palin is an idiot,but I guess Trump thinks she has electoral coattails for him. Posted by: dahoit | Jan 20 2016 14:47 utc | 65 http://johnhelmer.net/ has two articles on recently released phone conv. btw Clinton and Blair – much of them about Yeltsin, and the two leaders’ discussions about Russia… Not a short read, but it is quite a fascinating look… at what may be going on behind (perhaps) the first curtain… (‘moose’ is the operative word). Posted by: GoraDiva | Jan 20 2016 14:48 utc | 66 Yeah,GE sells to Haiar,another disaster for the American working man. Posted by: dahoit | Jan 20 2016 14:49 utc | 67 Vote, or not to vote, that is the question. Given the American E-voting system, if you do, just look at it as therapy, or entertainment. Posted by: ben | Jan 20 2016 15:30 utc | 68 @65 Trump claimed he was going to look into why they hate us. He said he would do that as band Muslims temp until we figure what this is all about. When is he going to get around to that? SEE THESE VIDEOS Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 20 2016 15:32 utc | 69 @Tom Murphy Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 20 2016 15:54 utc | 70 @70 Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 20 2016 16:36 utc | 71 psychohistorian at 44. Yes. All this – the attack on Russia (sanctions, Ukraine, etc.), the broiling murderous confusion in the ME, which are mainly for now grouped around demolishing Syria (with all its attendant complications), have far more to do with finance than is generally supposed. Interpretations often stop at war as conquest for territory and resources (oil mostly), or ethnic-religious criteria and ‘racial’ divisions (Kurds, Sunni-Shia, the Orthodox Russians, the Jewish State, etc.) There is little about ideological models that concern the political economy. The economy is always political, and the opposition is not – or not uniquely, or mainly, or always – about a more socialist or ‘Statist’ or ‘communist’ model vs. a ‘free market’. All these considerations serve in a way to confuse ppl and obscure the underlying issues (models, functioning), which pivot around the relation between the 1 to 20%, aka. the Over-class, the Oligarchs, the Aristocracy, the Elites, the Banksters, and how this relationship is articulated, brought into being in some ‘collective’ (Nation, etc.) consensual or imposed way. Posted by: Noirette | Jan 20 2016 16:39 utc | 72 This from The Guardian – “US military aims to create cyborgs by connecting humans to computers”: Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 20 2016 17:06 utc | 73 @Tom Murphy Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 20 2016 17:23 utc | 74 @Tom Murphy Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 20 2016 17:41 utc | 75 @74 JR ‘ His relationship with Hillary and the Democratic Party is more important to him than winning.’ Posted by: jfl | Jan 20 2016 18:05 utc | 77 @75 are you pro-Trump? Trump is a trashy person who has been a spoiled brat his whole life. How many lies are you going to accept from this man? Such as this shameful lie: https://youtu.be/IvoXahouku0 (and notice how the media is HELPING him get away with his lie) Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 20 2016 18:32 utc | 78 LIVE FEED FROM MOLDAVIA Posted by: Med | Jan 20 2016 18:44 utc | 79 @Tom Murphy Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 20 2016 18:54 utc | 80 @ jackrabbit 74. Related: ‘The Iowa Speech Bernie Sanders Never Delivered by John V. Walsh Posted by: wendy davis | Jan 20 2016 20:01 utc | 81 @rufus magister 19: Oh, my; thank you for the links; I’ll read later. Related, we can hope. Posted by: wendy davis | Jan 20 2016 20:09 utc | 82 Thank you Wendy. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 20 2016 20:15 utc | 83 The real reason of the war in Libya verified @83 And you are going to help Sanders lose with your nonsense and inaction. And Sanders has been Independent and only switched to Democratic Party so he could run for President, HARDY a typical Democrat. You made assumptions about my positions and I gave you a link to dispel them: http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2016/01/you-are-making-assumptions-about-my.html Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 20 2016 20:47 utc | 85 What? are people sleeping here? possibly new maidan going on in moldova but this time its AGAINST the pro-nato government. Posted by: Med | Jan 20 2016 21:15 utc | 86 I’m still here maybe in the next open thread will have more to add on Bernie Sanders and Hailey Clinton. Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 20 2016 21:52 utc | 87 Posted by: Jackrabbit, ben jfl @47 @80 @53 @24 and more… Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 20 2016 22:16 utc | 88 @Tom Murphy Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 20 2016 22:25 utc | 89 @Jack Smith Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 20 2016 22:45 utc | 90 @90 – a very nice article to go along w/ Petris note about Facebook banning al Mayadeen. @aJackSmith@88 Posted by: metni | Jan 20 2016 23:51 utc | 92 The Final Solution progresses in Palestine ..
This is a proposal for a wall within the occupied territories, in Palestine. Posted by: jfl | Jan 21 2016 0:26 utc | 93 TM at 78 Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 21 2016 1:09 utc | 94 Rufus weighs in . . . for Hillary. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 21 2016 1:37 utc | 95 wendy davis at 81-82 Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 21 2016 1:42 utc | 96 “Purity of Essence.” Good to see ideological conformity dictated by a self-appointed arbiter of progress is of more concern than the actual lives of 7 billion people. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 21 2016 2:04 utc | 97 Some fun. Three things near and dear, in descending order — cats, ships, Russians. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 21 2016 2:31 utc | 98 “Bending over.” Good to see that the rufus-approved(TM) socialist priesthood runs candidates for visibility – not to win. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 21 2016 2:31 utc | 99 I suppose those 7 billion people will have to look to the Greens instead. Its nice to have choices. Something Hillary supporters don’t seem too fond of. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 21 2016 3:10 utc | 100 |
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