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January 08, 2016

Open Thread 2016-02

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Posted by b on January 8, 2016 at 18:45 UTC | Permalink

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A U$ where young women work as strippers, pole-dancers and hookers to get through college, that in every other industrial country and in most (former) oil emirates was FREE, where U$ women owe $500 BILLION or more in student loans to some of the most rapacious loan aggregators on earth, in short, where from the moment they enter public life in pre-school, America women are individually and collectively serially raped every minute of every day, some 176,000,000 of them, then raped again while earning 85% of their male counterparts, otherwise further raped, abandoned and enslaved as single mothers on EBT/8a, would think there would be just dry sardonic laughter among the Feminists at Copenhagen..but that's not how the human psyche works.

Fear and hatred of The Other motivates in race, religion, politics, sex and even breakfast cereal. Among Buddhists, Way of the Dow, the Dharma and of the Dinar, fear and hatred of The Other exists, even at a time where worship of The Chosen has never been higher, even at a Petrocene Epoch where there has never been more economic disparity and war pron and abject slavery and overt rape, where entire island groups have been taken over and converted into private Xanadus, with compliant female servants even strawberries flown in every day from New Zealand. Look at the socioeconomy of Bali.

Around the world, societies, ecologies, matriarchies and currencies are being brutally raped, then flayed alive, looted and left for dead, while the idle patriarchy at Z FB, ZDrudge, Zeitbart and even MoA jibberjabber about which minister is meeting with which, and which war party is holding which patch of scorched earth, and how we must H8, and H8, and H8 ... until our next dose of pron.

Rape is meaningless in a world of nothing but rape. As the oil runs out, the entire bottom of the human pyramid will be crushed to bone dust and blood to grease the golden chariots of The Chosen.

Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 10 2016 2:44 utc | 101

Wondering why @80 and @81 are not moderated? I'm new-ish commenting around here but those comments and other similar ones in the past seem, er, obliquely pornographic in a snuffy kind of way. Am I missing something?

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Jan 10 2016 3:00 utc | 102


See more in the article.

Thanks. Butler's article casts a fresh perspective on that unholy alliance after the redirection has unfolded for almost a decade and three US administrations. What the US/UK/NATO/ISrael/KSA are prepared to do to keep the redirection going is, not surprisingly, apocalyptic.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 10 2016 3:48 utc | 103

Juliana @87: PBS can cause depression and despair among informed and humane individuals. Consider reducing dosage level, ideally to zero.

Posted by: fairleft | Jan 10 2016 4:43 utc | 104

Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 9, 2016 9:44:41 PM | 101

Well said.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 10 2016 4:44 utc | 105

Yes indeed, jfl@100, thank you for researching that. Certainly the comparison isn't an exact one and the numbers for the Cuba example pale by comparison - I suppose it is speculating too much to have wondered (as I did) whether 'great minds' in the US camp might have remembered what I was remembering and put a flea in Erdogan's ear so to speak. Who then may have expected to be supported in his own grand design. Some of Castro's releases, it was claimed at the time, were from his prisons, which was not the case for Erdogan of course.

Oh, it is all such a horrible mess, a nightmare that seems to have no end. Maybe Obama's tears are because he is beginning to realize this.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 10 2016 5:17 utc | 106

Posted by: juliania | Jan 10, 2016 12:17:31 AM | 106

...Maybe Obama's tears are because he is beginning to realize this.

Crocodile tears? Wishful thinking, he's still a war criminal!

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 10 2016 5:23 utc | 107


I totally agree, but even arsenic is medicinal in tiny doses. An aunt of mine proved this by reaching a commendable 98. Not a century, but pretty darn good.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 10 2016 5:30 utc | 108

Jack Smith@107

Indeed he is a war criminal - my comment is not wishful thinking but rather a supposition that the awfulness of his actions might be eroding the facade, far too late, but it is a possibility.

Hillary does crocodile tears. Obama? You might be correct, though. I don't really know of course.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 10 2016 5:52 utc | 109

All according to script, sadly..

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 10 2016 6:18 utc | 110

@ 97 jfl.. was your comment motivated by something someone had said? curious!

Elijah J. Magnier post always worth the read.
For Assad defeating al-Qaeda and its allies, rather than ISIS, is a top priority: ISIS is a “marionette”.

Posted by: james | Jan 10 2016 7:01 utc | 111

Sorry if this is a double post. Eye trouble prevents my reading all the comments. THIS IS A PRETTY BIG DEAL:

Russia Breaking Wall St Oil Price Monopoly
F. William Engdahl (NEO) : Russia has just taken significant steps that will break the present Wall Street oil price monopoly, at least for a huge part of the world oil market. The move is part of a longer-term strategy of decoupling Russia’s economy and especially its very significant export of oil, from the US dollar, today the Achilles Heel of the Russian economy.

Posted by: Penelope | Jan 10 2016 7:16 utc | 112

@112 Penelope

Thanks for the link. It is nice to read that both Russia and China are going to establish alternatives to the "petro-dollar".

I hope folks are starting to see the big picture here of the forces of private finance against the forces of sovereign finance. Everything that is going on is an actor in this game, IMO.

I am a pacifist but having spent my life watching our sick world get worse I posit that what society needs now is a well placed bomb at Davos, when all the major puppets of the global plutocrats are there. With the potential extinction issues society faces currently, we don't have time for guillotines. But there will be plenty of war criminals left for processing through the Hague and fueling further debate on who we have been, are and want to be as a species.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2016 8:32 utc | 113

Nakatani and Fallon confirmed Friday during their two-plus-two meeting with Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida and British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond that the two sides would work “urgently” to adopt a new U.N. Security Council resolution against North Korea.

Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 10 2016 9:37 utc | 114

German Anti-Muslim PEGIDA Mov't Clashes With Police in Cologne

"The most important thing is that the facts about what happened (in Cologne) are spoken about openly and bluntly. Terrible things happened, and we must respond to them," Merkel said. "I think there are indications that changes must happen."

Is Merkel now going to use the New Years Rape Night to back out of her open-armed embrace of Syriaq refugees? Simply taking advantage of right-wing agitation? or creating it, in order to take advantage of it?

Report: Germany to Training Libyan Soldiers to Fight IS Group

Germany is considering to send troops to train Libyan soldiers in the next months in a bid to combat Islamic State group in the country, according to a report leaked by Der Spiegel on Saturday.

"According to internal (government) plans German soldiers could, along with Italian colleagues, within months begin training the Libyan armed forces," said the online journal.

And will Merkel now no longer sell weapons to the newly apparent terrorist Saudi Arabia, but train Da'esh operatives themselves, directly ... nihilistically and 'democratically', I guess?

Maybe the NPPL will 'follow up' on her opening? still keeping US cash registers ringing in the gulf, of course. I suppose it depends on how well his experiment with the Libyans goes. Ooops, I mean her experiment, and anti-Da'esh gladiator/terrorists, of course.

If they run out of trainees in Libya they can devastate and destroy another African country as a source of gladiator/terrorists. And colonize it, too. incidently of course. I imagine that's Italy's angle.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 10 2016 9:38 utc | 115


Pure Quantum mechanics disinformation campaign by the Soros-Rogers 'Buy BRIC!' Ponzi scheme artists, that has already destroyed the life savings of 100,000,000s of gullible fools.

BRIC is BROKE! Wake up! BRIC is selling the family jewels! India is selling off their National Railway and their family gold jewelry heirlooms! All that's left is a giant Ponzi Pyramid of Paper, ...and a snarcky Soros commentary how 'commodities appear threatened.'

Scum buckets for suckers.

Buy Tungsten!! Chairman Mao desparately needs your US$s!!

Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 10 2016 9:45 utc | 116

@113 Sadly, a bomb cannot be well placed to destroy the rule of finance. And in the current media setting, bombs are message free, to be interpreted thru/by a big finance/PTB run Western media. What's needed are mass communication and mass action. Less fear, more class analysis and solidarity.

Social systems in Russia and China and other states holding out for their sovereignty are not the goal. But sovereignty and inter-capitalist conflict might be a better place for a successful class war. Not that I'm optimistic or anything ...

Posted by: fairleft | Jan 10 2016 10:14 utc | 117


For BRIC to 'circumvent the US$ PetroDollar' simply means trading agriculture (and manufactured) products for Russian oil at market contract rates. They're not setting up a ruble or a yuan bourse, they're desparately trading food for oil.

Table 2. Energy required to produce 1,000 kg of spring wheat in Manitoba.
Conventional tillage Zero-tillage
Total energy (MJ) 3,332 3,471

Barrel of Oil Equivalent: 6.1 BJ

Equivalent barrel of oil energy value in kgs of wheat: 1,900 kg

Price of barrel of oil: $35

Price of 1,900 kg of wheat: $350


So to produce a metric ton of wheat takes half a barrel of oil, but after refining actually takes a full barrel of oil (25 gals diesel per 55-gallon barrel) and costs upwards of $1.40 a gallon or $77 in energy cost to generate a metric ton of wheat in India or China, and that much again in $s to ship to port, transport by sea, reship and redistribute.

?Then where is the economics in the trade? Russia gets 50 kg of wheat delivered for every barrel of oil at the wellhead. They'll starve! It costs SOMEONE a ton of US$s to tranship that trade in foreign bottoms from portvto port. Where's those US$s coming from?

It comes from privatizing and selling off the public resources and heirlooms, as every other country is doing besides BRIC, around the world! Go to FOREX and study the 5-year charts! It's all collapsing.
Just as Green Energy doesn't pan out when you do the BoOE LCA, so the Buy BRIC! rumor of trade-around-the-petrodollar scheme doesn't either.

It's a Quantium scam to separate your wheat from their chaff, then play 3-card monte switcheroo, so your wheat ends up in their offshore tax shelter, and their chaff is overflowing in your retirement account.

Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 10 2016 10:28 utc | 118

Tel Aviv gets a lesson in Buddhism: Payback is Hell. Or as the Dalai Lama likes to point out, "Gaza today is like Tibet under the Chinese."

Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 10 2016 10:35 utc | 119

Fruit loops and end times, it just doesn't get better than this at exposing the absolute psychopaths in Mil.Gov.

Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 10 2016 10:57 utc | 120

Tibet under the Chinese is a helluva lot better than Tibet under the Dalai Lamas.

Posted by: DM | Jan 10 2016 12:51 utc | 121

@ DM | 121

Tibet under the Chinese is a helluva lot better than Tibet under the Dalai Lamas.

If one would believe Western propaganda, one would think Tibet is an occupied country of saints by the evil China. Reality is, Tibet is a historic China's land, and they indeed run things better than despotic medieval Lamas (think of Saudis without oil in Himalayas). And I have no love for Chinese ruling party.

Another irony is, despite of Tibet's and Dalai Lamas advertising as Buddhists, they actually no longer follow Buddha's teachings. To be fair, thats the same with most of religions, majority of Christians and Muslims are followers in the name only either.

Posted by: Harry | Jan 10 2016 13:32 utc | 122

Native people literally had no words to describe the cataclysm that had destroyed them. It was left to follow-on generations of “necessitous men” to learn the vocabulary of servitude needed to describe their economic lives.

Here is only a part of the terminology “necessitous men” needed to learn: poverty level, payday loans, food stamps, interest rate, surcharges, eviction, unemployment rates, lock-outs, foreclosure, bankruptcy, credit scores, down payment, damage deposits, credit limit, collection agency, mortgages, user fees, closing costs, title loans, bail outs, insolvency, title insurance, origination fee, installment plans, tax levy, deed restrictions, market crashes, illiquidity, non-sufficient funds, minimum payment due, late fees, lay-offs, property lien, pawn tickets, collateral, tax withholding, service fees, forfeiture, inflation, deflation, stagflation…

Is this the vocabulary of free people?

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 13:36 utc | 123

@ Neretva'43 | Jan 10, 2016 8:36:01 AM | 123

Bravo! for that find. Most difficult to improve upon.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 10 2016 13:42 utc | 124

In 1749, King George II granted Ohio land to a private corporation, the Ohio Land Company, whose shareholders included George Washington’s paternal uncles. Tellingly, the grant was bestowed 15 years before Britain actually established sovereignty over that land by winning the French and Indian War.

That war – which became the first World War in all of human history – was ignited, not incidentally, by George Washington himself when he ordered the murder of Indians and a French nobleman upon Ohio land Washington likely considered private property, possibly his own.

The bold is quite interesting to me, since I knew that Hitler admired to Anglo-Saxons and their "achievement" regarding the Natives, that is the Genocide which is explained in the article.

The President of the US sound very important, and it is. However, all presidents of the US are by and large the murderers. While this might apply to any society in the world given the history of the US all of them are a plain notorious murderers.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 13:59 utc | 126

Hey Qui

Here is link/title from daily life in the US. "Maine Governor: Drug Dealers Impregnate 'Young White' Girls"

Sounds familiar? It must be, all fascists use a tools from the same toolbox. Guess who is "impregnating white girls"?

But I am somewhat puzzled, a capitalists need "growth", growth of GDP, money, debt and population. They need new slaves and new voters/fools. Why complain?

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 14:08 utc | 127

Thanks to @ JackRabbit 98

"In "The Redirection" (2007), Seymour Hirsh goes a step further, describing an alliance between US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel to use extremists as a weapon:"

Hersh's depth of journalism in that article served as a revelatory blueprint and roadmap for how we got to this point. A major strategic decision was cemented as soon as the stunted IDF invasion of Lebanon not only failed to achieve its main objective, but left western heads shaken with consternation. The dreaded outcome of this military adventure dealt a sharp blow to the realization of the Neocon vision for a "New Middle East" which Condi Rice infamously bleated about. When the wailing from the destruction rained down from F-16 warplanes, sounds and images Rice dementedly referred to as "birth pangs", had failed to deliver Rosemary's baby, Plan B was put into overdrive.

Posted by: metni | Jan 10 2016 14:20 utc | 128

I wonder if Seymour Hersh read this.

"That war – which became the first World War in all of human history – was ignited, not incidentally, by George Washington himself when he ordered the murder of Indians and a French nobleman upon Ohio land Washington likely considered private property, possibly his own."

It is a Proud Nation who has the Murder as the President.

I am glad that Germany is going to update its Rape law. You see, the German woman must be thankful to a refuges, now she will be "more protected".

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 14:40 utc | 129

wrt: Penelope | Jan 9, 2016 1:20:07 AM | 48

Okay it's time to get over this fantasy that all of these migrants are Muslims. Many are wahhabist heathen mercenary punks. In the real world, Muslims do not ever drink, take captagon pills, or rape and molest women. It does not happen.

The reality is that Middle East/ North Africa is loaded with wahhabist heathens.

They pretend to be Muslims, but they are just wahhabist heathens and mercenary punks.

And now they have been hired by the Western Mafia to destroy liberal-progressive Europe.

They are very useful indeed.

Posted by: blues | Jan 10 2016 14:47 utc | 130


Speaking his mind with racist or sexist overtones ... another 'governor' onto coke?

LePage's chief of communications, Peter Steele:

"Race is irrelevant. What is relevant is the cost to state taxpayers for welfare and the emotional costs for these kids who are born as a result of involvement with drug traffickers. His heart goes out to these kids because he had a difficult childhood, too. We need to stop the drug traffickers from coming into our state."

LePage is known for speaking his mind, and it sometimes gets him into trouble. He said on the campaign trail that he'd tell President Barack Obama to "go to hell," and then soon after he was elected to his first term he told the Portland chapter of the NAACP to "kiss my butt."

He previously likened the IRS to the Gestapo, called protesters "idiots" and said a political foe liked to "give it to the people without Vaseline."

Maine has become a haven for the heroin trade, as opiates have become harder to come by in the last decade and the heroin supply is abundant. Prices for a gram can be as much as three times higher than in New York, according to the Press Herald. Seventeen percent of people arrested last year by the Maine Drug Enforcement Agency for drug trafficking were not Maine residents.

The investigation established, for the first time, a concrete link between Maine and the gang-controlled drug operations in the New York City borough of Queens. At least two of the people arrested in January after a months-long investigation have direct ties to the powerful Crips street gang in Far Rockaway, a rough neighborhood in Queens.

In that case, Jamel Hamilton, who goes by the nickname “Murder,” has been charged with conspiracy to distribute heroin. Hamilton, who was identified by police as a gang leader, was arrested nine years ago in a similar drug sweep in Far Rockaway.

Another man, Christian Dent, who was arrested in January in Maine, was part of the same previous drug sweep. He was identified as one of Hamilton’s top lieutenants.

Posted by: Oui | Jan 10 2016 14:51 utc | 131

That the photo is worth of thousand words is well known.

For the sociologists and anthropologists and all related occupation this photo is priceless.

For a moment let's assume this gut is a Native Indian, than Black, than Muslim, any of this can be first or assuming this what would be his/her chances to survive in very couple of minutes in standoff like this? Tamir Rice was murdered in 2 second and no question asked.

Secondly, The White Man in Power, since Waco and Oklahoma, is now careful dealing with the White Militant/supremacist. They are essentially what used to be Texas Rangers, the US Gov. paid murders who steals and deposes people from its own land and property even though they had no concept of "property right".

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 15:06 utc | 132

"The reality is that Middle East/ North Africa is loaded with wahhabist heathens."

The reality is that Middle East/ North African refuges are busy with life. Just like all refuges. If s/he doesn't have a "papers", even worst for them. You've seen anybody asking this type questions?

When I read this articles I have impression "refuge" isn't refuge any more, the refuge is someone who speak a language of the country s/he landed and goes everyday in shopping with iPhone, and driving BMW etc.

You people are insane...first and foremost you have to learn what a life of refuge is.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 15:22 utc | 133

In the Western culture (if there is such thing) there is something what is called "body language". I've never understood what that means. I consider that the Western culture, and in particular the US ones, is zoological for the most part. When I say "zoological" it might bring a picture of hyena and lion eating its victim but they just do that to survive.

I human-zoological terms the US is rapacious and devouring state of affairs, and by purpose I am not using the term "society" which the US is not.

That Guardian's photo helped me a lot to understand meaning of body language or posturing if you like. I've watched this photo for several minutes you see the sheriff who treats that roughneck with "respect". And the Respect is another word that I meet in African-Americ. songs but that's another story.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 15:35 utc | 134

"Maine has become a haven for the heroin trade, as opiates have become harder to come by in the last decade and the heroin supply is abundant. Prices for a gram can be as much as three times higher than in New York, according to the Press Herald. Seventeen percent of people arrested last year by the Maine Drug Enforcement Agency for drug trafficking were not Maine residents."

You might quote this and that till doomsday date and it won't help. If you want to resolve the problem you need to identify the source of that problem.

Where the heroin is coming from and why Maine? Manchester NH from same reason is also hard hit with drug use. There is heavily armed police force and paramilitary ones too and epidemic use of drugs. There is more than dozen of intelligent agencies and still heroin travel from NYC to Main. Cui Bono and how is it possible? Heroin is a synthetic drug and this country has very developed chemical and pharmaceutical industry. I'm just sayin'

Posted by: Nereva'43 | Jan 10 2016 15:49 utc | 135

Epic photo. I am considering creating Wiki page and name it "Friendly Chat". I also considering to call Starbucks and Whole Food for donation of coffee and organically grown food for the White Men.

Wondering where a White Liberal are, Sam Harris, Bill Maher etc.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 15:56 utc | 136

Apparently we are living in the Golden Age of the goatee....

Posted by: dh | Jan 10 2016 16:02 utc | 137

Epic photo

Makes redneck tears flow

Posted by: metni | Jan 10 2016 16:09 utc | 138

"Hey, look, it's a problem, we have a problem," Trump said. "We have a problem, and it's going to be solved, but we have to understand the problem. We have to know the problem, and before we do anything and before we do anything stupid, we have to know what we're doing. So we do have a real problem. We do have a real problem. There is such a level of hatred that you can't even believe it. There's a hatred, a deep-seated hatred. We have to find out where it's coming from and what can we do about it?"

I bet both guys from the Guardian's photo adore Trump. Well, is this call for Kristallnacht before or after "we do anything stupid".

Trump is right there is "deep-seated hatred", yes, but by who?

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 16:14 utc | 139

"Hey, look, it's a problem, we have a problem," Trump said. "We have a problem, and it's going to be solved, but we have to understand the problem.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 16:22 utc | 140

I give him credit, he is trying to understand "a problem". He has a scientific approach.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 16:24 utc | 141

You gotta be kidding?

"Obama may become UN next leader"

Posted by: Anon | Jan 10 2016 16:33 utc | 142

Mina @57,

I noticed that F. William Engdahl briefly mentions in his article linked below that Qatar is "home to the Muslim Brotherhood and a major funder of ISIS in Syria and Iraq." Could this mean that Qatar is also funding these thuggish attacks in Germany as well? If so, US and the West really need to rethink their "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" strategy in the Middle East. It's obviously coming back to bite them, much like a venomous snake would bite its own tail!

Posted by: Cynthia | Jan 10 2016 16:44 utc | 143

Trump's deep respect for science is predicated on his belief that the discipline has all the answers; he can cite the universal benefits derived from thermonuclear research.

Posted by: metni | Jan 10 2016 16:45 utc | 144

As Donald Trump questioned the motives of Syrian refugees at a Friday night rally, saying they “probably are ISIS,” a woman sitting in the stands of the sports arena behind him silently stood. She was wearing a white hijab and a blue T-shirt that read: “Salam, I come in peace.”

Anybody has knowledge of that rally? As far as I know there is no “Syrian refugees” in significant number in the US.

Trump kept speaking, but soon the crowd erupted, holding up their campaign signs and chanting: “Trump! Trump! Trump!” That was the formal signal for security to remove her from the rally — even though she stood quietly, not saying anything.

This is where the Body Language is important in highly tribal societies. The US is essentially Lawless, and communication is happening in zoological way by gesticulating by signs despite the fact they using language. That’s why Identity is important in Fascists states: the US and Europe. There is study of it called Social Semiotics. I believe the lynching of Blacks and Latinos is example of the White Man Social Semiotics practice where the mob without order from above, spontaneously, is murdering and lynching minorities. Same here where Trump in fact inviting mob on lynching and murder.

“She told me that the "messages" of her films were dependent not on "orders from above," but on the "submissive void" of the German public.

Did that include the liberal, educated bourgeoisie?

"Everyone," she said.”
From: Interview with Leni Riefenstahl by John Pilger

The woman is Rose Hamid, a 56-year-old flight attendant who is Muslim, according to CNN. After being escorted out by security officers and campaign representatives, Hamid told CNN in an interview that some of the Trump supporters sitting near her were kind and apologized as she was led out. But she said others accused her of having a bomb or shouted “Get out!”

She is allegedly a flight-attendant so it is safe to assume she is legal resident. Usually in the White Man media outlets they say whether is sameone “Naturalized American” or a Muslim-American, or she is dual citizenship. It seems, journalists doesn't dare to say either one. I for one always claim that Muslim-American is oxymoron.

Before the rally began, the crowd was told that no protesting of any sort would be allowed, and that protesters needed to stay in a free-speech space outside the venue. Some of Trump's supporters argue that though the woman did not shout or cause a disturbance, wearing the star on her shirt and standing while others were sitting was fair grounds to be asked to leave.

Of course the Rule of Law have applied selectively. The Guardian’s photo exemplify that.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 17:16 utc | 146

Patrick Cockburn is the UK version of Seymour Hersh. Both icons of "independent" journalism.

That's to says both belong to the National Narrative and Media Complex. They are not openly pro but neither anti. They walk fine line not antagonizing regime and the regime's media outlets, and not antagonize its tribal collective spirit.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 17:30 utc | 147

Raping Syria by the West, give Syrians the Right to Rape the West.

Posted by: From The Hague | Jan 10 2016 17:44 utc | 148

"Spy On Your Neighbor Program -The Nazi's had it too."

FBI too, the US today, they best friend is "submissive void".

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 17:51 utc | 149

CBS has documented a skewed report about Syrian and Russian ground and air forces fighting ISIS on a segment of their '60 minutes' TV show that will air Sunday, 7:00pm, est.

Here is a preview of that show (see: )

This media report implied little progress has been made against ISIS and glossed over the shooting down of the Russian SU-24 by Turkey or the US logistical support for the FSA et al. against Assad's government.

Posted by: PokeTheTruth | Jan 10 2016 17:52 utc | 150

It is often amusing to compare the impact of cultures when you read wikipedia in different languages. For those who may wonder about Neretva'43, in English Wiki says

The famous Battle of Neretva is a 1969 Oscar-nominated motion picture depicting events from the Second World War and the actual Battle of the Neretva.[59]

So not only is the river famous because of an Oscar-nominated movie, but there was also an actual "bitka".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 10 2016 18:06 utc | 151

Brad Hoff (Levant Report):

The US trained one of the best ISIS fighters called Omar Al Shishani. He originates from the former soviet republic of Georgia.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 10 2016 18:18 utc | 152

From the Cockburn article:

But even in the past few days, there are signs of the Saudi leadership deliberately increasing the political temperature by putting four Iranians on trial, one for espionage and three for terrorism. The four had been in prison in Saudi Arabia since 2013 or 2014 so there was no reason to try them now

Except for maybe... because they've been in prison for three or four years? Ah, justice in the heroic allies of the United States. Who wouldn't it want it imposed on there country by ariel bombardment and violent gangs?


Hate to say but RT has my eyes-rolling with this interview with Mr. Hellyer. Not that I don't believe there is life other than on earth, but this gentleman sounds like he just spends too much time on the internet.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 10 2016 18:19 utc | 153

I'd say maybe my problem is I don't spend enough time on the internet, but that's not really possible.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 10 2016 18:21 utc | 154

Yep Piotr,

This is Neretva still beautiful. Used to be more beautiful, but they have ruined it with damn dams.

and this is actual bridge, still there, where the crucial moment took place, where Tito proved himself as the genius commander. The battle itself took place place in rather large area, it wasn't a single battle.

The German code for battle was Weiss II.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 18:30 utc | 155

@112 penelope... thanks for the link.. my friend mark @ the kremlin stooge was telling me about that just the other day..

@130 blues.. good post. thanks.

@137 dh.. it's funny what guys think up with their 'hair'...

@143 cynthia... qatar isn't much different then saudi arabia.. that must make them also best friends with the exceptional nation..

@152 willy2.. i think georgia was the original version 1 agenda which hasn't worked out so well in ukraine - version 2 of the same thing... anything to make a mess and drop it on russias doorstep.. if only they could trash russia, all would be well..

Posted by: james | Jan 10 2016 18:45 utc | 156

Critical analysis of Salman and Saudi Arabia should not ignore the internal power struggle.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 10 2016 18:46 utc | 157

Second half of the show has a good discussion of recent Saudi-Iranian tensions.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 10 2016 19:46 utc | 158

Hillary's e-mail problems heat up.

And a worsening economy would tend to benefit the populists: Sanders and Trump.

Will Hillary's momentum 'trump' Sanders and allow her to clinch the nomination? Or will her problems as a candidate catch up to her first?

Pass the popcorn.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 10 2016 20:11 utc | 159

Gareth Porter:

- Turkey is afraid that Russia is destroying the Turkmen in northern Syria. Turkey is training those turkmen and a part of the Al Nusra front. That was ONE reason why Turkey shot down that russian jet fighter, that was supposedly flighing in turkihs airpsace.
- Turkey supposedly gave 10 warnings in 5 minutes to those fighter pilots as they were supposedly approaching Turkish airpsace. But given the high speed of that russian jet it would have meant that Turkey was giving warnings when that plane was flying southward and not northwards.
- The US wants to preserve the state structures of Syria, including the syrian army. The US acknowledges that an overthrow of the current syrian government would have horrendous consequences for the syrian population. Seems the US has learned - at least - a little from their other "adventures" in the Middle East.
- Al Nusra and their brethren are used to keep/increase the pressure on the Assad government.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 10 2016 20:17 utc | 160


I give him credit, he is trying to understand "a problem". He has a scientific approach.

I also give you credit, you must suffering from mental looseness.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 10 2016 20:38 utc | 162

no one needs to be funding; thses people are used to live on cheap. MB have sympathizers in Turkey, Kuwait, KSA, most of the Gulf states, Yemen, Egypt, Tunisia to mention but the biggest.
Giving alms is a pillar of Islam, anyone can set up a charity and there you go.
If Western gov are unable to trace listed terrorists when they move freely withing Schengen borders (and even outside) why would they trace cash movements through new "western union" "paypal" etc copies opening each and every day and allowing instant transfers?
They announced back in 2001 that they would start tracing and controling terrorism money, what did they do? the exact opposite, making it easier to anyone to set up accounts and make transfers all around the planet within microseconds.

Posted by: Mina | Jan 10 2016 21:01 utc | 163

The UN needs to exhort countries which have Islam for official religion to officially condemn djihadism and takfirism. That's the only start possible.

Posted by: Mina | Jan 10 2016 21:09 utc | 164

Those who do not want to go to a brothel and pay for sex, can use other ways and be pretty sure that nothing ever happens to them, if they decide to enforce sexual violence on women. Rape is nearly excluded from legal punishment in Germany, only a very little amount of the victims ever press charges and from those offenders only the ridiculous amount of 8,4 percent ever gets convicted to even more ridiculous sentences. Before going to court the victims have to pass mortifying credibility expertises and if they had more than one sex partner, the defense attorney will happily call them sluts. That is legal in Germany and the reality of our legal system!

Those with the loudest voice on Twitter and other social media to punish the offenders, are those who usually make fun of feminists fighting against sexism and victims of sexual violence. It is them who are usually the first to assume that the victims of sexual violence are lying and use this lie for an act of revenge. The victims of cologne are abused by them for racist propaganda, they do not care about women, their safety or their rights. If the offenders of Cologne would have been German soccer fans, the victims would have been called hysteric feminazis and nobody would have even dared to believe them. We do not need the figur of the stranger, the immigrant to make women feel unsafe in Germany. In carnival in Cologne every year several assaults happen, but, on this occasion, the victims are told that it was their own doing, that they knew before, what carnival means, that they should have drunk less and worn longer skirts. How close those statements are to the Islamic tradition of women wearing a headscarf does not appear to those doing #victimblaiming this way.

Mayor of Cologne Reker (female) did sing from the same hymn sheet, when she started to give behavioral advice for women after the incidents and to summon them to keep „an arm’s length“ distance from strangers. She herself was attacked by a right-wing offender with a knife only some weeks ago. Instead of taking care for the safety of women in public spaces, women are declared part-guilty for being sexual harassed. The men are excused, as usually. Boys will be boys! Long before the cologne incidents happened, women in Germany knew that they are not safe at night, in public transportation and on public spaces. Every third women in Europe has suffered from sexual violence.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 10 2016 21:09 utc | 165

The UN needs to exhort countries which have Islam for official religion to officially condemn djihadism and takfirism. That's the only start possible.
Posted by: Mina | Jan 10, 2016 4:09:05 PM | 166

Nope. That's wrong. The MSM needs to stop 'forgetting' to report it when 'Islamic Leaders DO condemn extremism. That issue has been done to death by Right Wing Crank, pro-Israel politicians in Oz. Last year, a bunch of comedians ran through a list of incidents in Oz claimed (by RWC p-I ratbags) to have been 'ignored' by Muslim leaders and then showed news footage and print articles of a Leader publicly condemning each and every incident on the list.
Perhaps you need to acquaint yourself with the term Jew Controlled Media and contemplate the percentage of hi-profile "News" outlets in the West which are NOT controlled by Jews, or pro-USrael ideologues. It's like searching for needles in a haystack (lots more hay than needles).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 11 2016 3:24 utc | 166

extremism is one thing, but "leaders" you mention don't include the crazy religious guys who have tv channels on cable tv;
a reason in france why no one address the theological issues directly is that it would imply discussing the sexism of ultra orthodox jews too;
the pattern you see now is that even if the "intellectuals" can get to salafism when they have been taught that djihad is a pillar of islam at school, it is always the petty criminals/drug dealers who do the dirty job (most of them having "discovered" (i.e strated to practice) religion in jail. not every "reigious" family undertands/teaches/practices religion the same way, and guys who start criminal activities at 12-13 years old are seldom from stable families.
but the guys who create the school surriculum in KSA or Egypt and form kids telling them about "martyrdom" "paradise" etc (i have seen questions involving those themes on "religion" exams for 13 year old kids in egypt) stay at the schizophrenic level of teaching doctrines which they would not put into practice because in the end they are more educated than the people on the ground who are actually sent to commit violence (good example of that in the recent interviews of Farid Benyettou)

Posted by: Mina | Jan 11 2016 7:31 utc | 167


The last politician who used the 'Make _____Great Again!' was Adolph Hitler and how ironic that Mein Kampf is in the bookstores right now for the Trump followers, and doubly-ironic, since Trump is owned by the NY Mob and the ZioBankers who made him his real estate fortune.
His Final Solution will be to betray the lumpen proletariat who are raising him to office, after Hillbillary clots out on the convention floor, and DNC nominates Biden over Bernie.
"Aren'cha gonna DO-O-O something about this guy!!!" her shrill echo lost in tooting horns,
"Biden, Biden, Biden, Biden!" Of course, the ZioMedia controls the election, so it's Trump, now that the Banksters have figured out how to profit from an engineered recession that RNC politicians once fled from, this one in 2017 they want to get that sweet, sweet Fed juice.

Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 11 2016 9:48 utc | 168

Chipnik @170: how ironic that Mein Kampf is in the bookstores right now for the Trump followers...

Perhaps. I just do not see Trump followers buying any kind of books, and in general, bookstores in USA are following the story of the buffalo: roaming through the planes in thundering herds, long time ago, now, tourists attractions due to their rarity. I have a satirical history of England written in 1920s, a collection of commonly known facts (suitably garbled). It is amazing how rich in facts it is, compared to what people know now. Why bad mouthing of opponent uses "Nazi" and "Munich" so often -- in part because there are hardly any other negative examples that would be popularly understood.

And you too, Chipnik! Almost every election features promises to restore greatness to America, Britain, Lithuania and so on. Or "make us proud again" etc. And you wrote "The last politician who used "Make ___ Great Again" was Adolph Hitler.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 11 2016 11:31 utc | 169

Can't help it:

Posted by: danx | Jan 11 2016 13:12 utc | 170

It is a sad and somewhat shocking when I read that news. He was part of my musical "education" at the time.

Although, I think his musical ability and talent, to me, were rather average.

But thanks to DB for his musical contribution, and it is certainly big loss for all of us.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 11 2016 13:47 utc | 171

Mina, you're on to something the left needs to figure out. The Saudi version of Islam is misogynist and EXTREMELY (i.e., violently if you take its words seriously) intolerant of other religions and even slightly different versions of Islam. And THAT, not 'Islam', is the problem. Generalizing the problem to 'Islam' takes the focus off the massively funded Saudi 'Islam' ... which is what the PTB and their media want.

Posted by: fairleft | Jan 11 2016 14:55 utc | 172

Piotr Berman @ 171 writes:

Almost every election features promises to restore greatness to America,...

ah yes, the 'good old days' that preceded these degraded times just don't quite simulate the state of the State as it recedes into the future.

too much 'war prawn'

Posted by: john | Jan 11 2016 15:11 utc | 173

BLUES @ 132,
"wrt: Penelope | Jan 9, 2016 1:20:07 AM | 48
Okay it's time to get over this fantasy that all of these migrants are Muslims. Many are wahhabist heathen mercenary punks. In the real world, Muslims do not ever drink, take captagon pills, or rape and molest women. It does not happen.
The reality is that Middle East/ North Africa is loaded with wahhabist heathens."

Absolutely, Blues. MY post said I didn't believe the propaganda against Muslims & found it akin to racism. jfl @ 102 gets his facts wrong in an otherwise fine comment when he describes the migrants as "Syriaqs". I have repeatedly posted links showing only a small fraction of migrants are from war-torn areas. They are mostly ECONOMIC migrant young MALES. War refugees are always heavily women, children & oldsters, carrying their possessions in sacks on their backs.

I wholeheartedly agree w your comment that Wahhabists mercenaries aren't Muslims.

Posted by: Penelope | Jan 11 2016 19:24 utc | 174

They may be with the Iraqi army, I can't tell.

Posted by: ثبت دامنه | Jan 26 2016 9:02 utc | 175

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