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January 8, 2016
Open Thread 2016-02
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FARS news is reporting today that the US has deployed ground forces to control the Tishrin dam northeast of Aleppo province. FARS characterized this as the first deployment of American ground forces since the beginning of the Syrian conflict. Posted by: LZA | Jan 8 2016 19:11 utc | 2 Newly arrived refugees involved in Cologne assaults: German police Posted by: Nick | Jan 8 2016 20:18 utc | 3 @Nick
@2 Hopefully not to blow it up as feared by PavewayIV.. Posted by: Lozion | Jan 8 2016 21:12 utc | 5 @Nick@3
Either La Merkel et al made a strategic mistake with unintended consequences, or part of their unspoken plan was the rebirth of Nazism. Now the neo brown shirts are ready to defend the fatherland from filthy Muslims hell-bent on raping their women, and the German right/neo-nazis will justify their anti-immigration drive on the actions of a not-so few. If there was no plan to pit Germans against immigrants before La stupid Merkel allowed for Erdogan’s blackmail to proceed, the results are the same as those of a well planned, socially engineered, purposely created and manipulated conflict. Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 8 2016 21:36 utc | 7 @LW – see my response #4 @Oui@8 Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 8 2016 22:34 utc | 9 The USA used to complain about Japan Inc. Of course now it’s USA as Neolibraconia Inc. and it’s business is war along all lines : military, economic, environmental, social … Jack Rasmus has an excellent survey at Neoliberalism Raises Its Ugly Head in South America: Washington Targets Venezuela, Brazil and Argentina. Posted by: jfl | Jan 8 2016 23:08 utc | 10 Trying to follow nmb’s link @1 without actually being shortened and sold myself led me to Pepe Escobar of 29 Dec
I agree with Pepe’s last point (first point in the article’s order). Push has come to shove along the financial axis. Posted by: jfl | Jan 8 2016 23:45 utc | 11 CBS wants us to believe Assad has been deliberately starving the people of Malaya, which may or may not be true, but I think others here will immediately recall the sanctions on Iraq between 1991-2003 and Madeline Albright’s assertion that the enormous human cost was “worth it.” Posted by: Jon Lester | Jan 8 2016 23:47 utc | 12 A very interesting video from TeleSur by Tariq Ali talks to Paul Murphy, a socialist member of the Irish Parliament, about Irish politics and the parties lining up in advance of elections in the next few months. Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 8 2016 23:58 utc | 13 @Nick | Jan 8, 2016 3:18:37 PM | 3 Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 0:24 utc | 14 On the Cologne attacks. A woman witness, Syrian by her accent, said on the BBC that she recognised Maghrebi accents in the attackers, with one from Aleppo, amongst others. Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 9 2016 0:26 utc | 15
No, there were no plan as such, no need to, it is deeply embedded into fiber of German soul just like in the US racial issue, or France. Google Thilo Sarrazin for example, or ex Nazi-Pope and his speech. Isn’t Frau Merkel had announced that glorious liberal invention of multiculturalism is dead.
The Ottomans to blackmail the Teutons? The results are barbed wire fences and concrete walls from Turkey-Syria border to Austria or Germany. Americanization/Israelization of borders and travels of Europe is in full swing. That was perhaps real goal. Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 1:02 utc | 16 “A woman witness, Syrian by her accent, said on the BBC that she recognised Maghrebi accents in the attackers, with one from Aleppo.” Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 1:11 utc | 17 Turkey closes its sea and air borders to Syrians, as they now need a visa. As it is dangerous and impossible to go by land to Turkey, the Syrians willing to leave Syria are left with only the unfriendly Jordan and Lebanon with no easy path to Europe unless they try to go by boat to Cyprus. Posted by: virgile | Jan 9 2016 1:23 utc | 18 Where the national government will regain control first: Mosul or Malheur Wildlife Refuge? Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 9 2016 1:25 utc | 19 There were apparently only a couple of actual rapes
— there was significant harassment, including firecrackers, and thefts … the actual number of “attackers” (which is what they were in their harassment, groping, and purse/backpack thefts) may be exaggerated (or not) but — and it’s significant — they have reports from over 100 victims and 18 “asylum seekers” in custody. That there were 18 or 31 up-to-no-good bad-apples in one train station raises questions of coordination …
There is apparently secondary controversy (according to the BBC World Service) in that the reporting of this crime spree was spotty … some feel there was a cover-up while others say that — because of prior false-reports of immigrant/refugee violence — there was an “abundance of caution”
NYT (source of quotes above) Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jan 9 2016 1:29 utc | 20 “Turkey got 3 billions euros from the EU to do that.” Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 1:43 utc | 21 @Susan Sunflower | Jan 8, 2016 8:29:41 PM | 20 Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 1:51 utc | 22 For those who love Abby Martin RT Breaking the Set. Just release today TeleSur Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 9 2016 2:15 utc | 23 You see, Sand Niggers do not “hate your way of life”. To the contrary they are admiring you and they are eager to join you and together enjoy “your values”. And now you are erecting barbed fences and concrete walls, phew. What would Jesus do and say? Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 2:16 utc | 24 @ 20 “There were apparently only a couple of actual rapes.” Posted by: Lochearn | Jan 9 2016 2:29 utc | 25 Piotr Berman at 19 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 9 2016 2:34 utc | 26 @19 Piotr Berman Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 9 2016 2:40 utc | 27 I have seen no characterization of the motley crew of attackers … while 18 are classed as asylum seekers, another 13 are not (the numbers are still evolving) … Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jan 9 2016 2:42 utc | 28 Neretva’43 | Jan 8, 2016 9:16:21 PM | 25
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 9 2016 2:43 utc | 29 Apparently there is some evidence of similarly coordinated New Years “wilding” in Helsinki and Hamburg … Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jan 9 2016 2:52 utc | 30 From the Borderlands of Banderastan. Politics in Kiev continues to fragment. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 9 2016 2:59 utc | 31 The White Man in millennial quest and search for “security”, that is separation from the Heathens, discover its ideal model – 3 meter wall and fences. In that research the White Man discover the two materials of utmost importance of its security: concrete and razor wire. High voltage razor wire was favorite of a Nazis. Real implementation of the total security has occurred at US-Mexican border. No wanting to be late, the trend is followed by Zionist Settler State and these days by Europe. The latest development coming from high tech sector cameras, control towers, drones, blimps. Inevitably we can find also humans with dogs. Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 3:03 utc | 32 @Lone Wolf | Jan 8, 2016 9:43:56 PM | 30 Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 3:10 utc | 34 From the bloody pages of IS crimes, one more.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 9 2016 3:16 utc | 35 @Lone Wolf | Jan 8, 2016 10:16:29 PM | 36 Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 3:29 utc | 36 Hey Lone Wolf Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 3:41 utc | 37 Preemptive Strike, Preemptive Wall, potayto, potahto… #FeelTheFear Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 9 2016 3:52 utc | 38
Gaddafi Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 4:03 utc | 39 Yes, Thank you MadMax2 Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 4:12 utc | 40 @33 Neretva Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 9 2016 4:34 utc | 41 LZA@2 – I think FARS just got the details messed up. Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 9 2016 5:29 utc | 42 Well, last year Putin spent Christmas Eve (Old Calendar) at the village church in which he was baptized as a baby, and this year at the village church where his parents were baptized. The choir and young readers sounded lovely. Posted by: juliania | Jan 9 2016 5:43 utc | 43 When I first drilled down into the news reports on events outside Cologne Hauptbahnhof it quickly became apparent that most of the assaults were of the type that women have been forced to endure on crowded public transport since well before ‘foreigners’ arrived in Europe. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 9 2016 6:14 utc | 44 Wow, the bastion of bleeding-heart libertarian-ism, Indonesia, lashes out at Canberra. Posted by: DM | Jan 9 2016 6:16 utc | 45 jfl @ 10, “I’m still unconvinced that 1,000 rapists ran rampant in Cologne on New Years Eve. Where’s Penelope and her fraud analysis when it seems most needed?” Posted by: Penelope | Jan 9 2016 6:20 utc | 46 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-08/empires-us-fall-when-corruption-becomes-rampant Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 9 2016 6:26 utc | 47 Links to official claims of no U.S. troops at Tishrin:
The Pentagon does not seem to agree with the recent situation maps that show the SDF forces far beyond any kind of west bank perimeter, so it’s anyone’s guess what’s really happening there. In the DoD’s Wednesday briefing, the SDF on the west side of the Euphrates were described as one of the allied Arab militias (= no Kurds west of Euphrates, I guess…).
Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 9 2016 6:59 utc | 48 nmb, jfl, anyone following Pepe’s article re necessity for Putin to escape the IMF/Fed system. Posted by: Penelope | Jan 9 2016 7:01 utc | 49 @49 Chipnik Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 9 2016 7:14 utc | 50 52 Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 9 2016 7:33 utc | 51 @50 Posted by: Lozion | Jan 9 2016 8:27 utc | 52 I just finished listening to the audio book of David Talbot’s The Devil’s Chessboard. Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government. It was very good I think. Posted by: Penelope | Jan 9, 2016 1:20:07 AM | 48 I’m afraid the Czech president who blew it might be right: only the MB could coordinate something on that scale Posted by: Mina | Jan 9 2016 8:50 utc | 55
oops, screwed that up.
@47 Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 9 2016 9:26 utc | 58 Link for above post 60 re: Shillary the Warhawk and friends destruction of a stable north African country, lifting the lid on sub saharan migration. Gaddafi was Europes friend you evil f*****g ****. Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 9 2016 9:31 utc | 59 re 17 Neretva
You must have been drunk when you wrote that. Are you not interested in a piece of information you wouldn’t have seen elsewhere? At least it was a genuine witness statement. Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 9 2016 10:27 utc | 60 Penelope @ 48 Posted by: Jen | Jan 9 2016 10:30 utc | 61 Can’t disagree with this message from the Iranian Foreign Minister.. Posted by: harry law | Jan 9 2016 11:22 utc | 62 What happened in Cologne was similar to what happened in Egypt in 2011. The phenomenon is so frequent that the Muslims have a word for it: el-Taharush el-Gensi, sexual harassment in groups. Posted by: Nick | Jan 9 2016 11:25 utc | 63 Obama seeks Silicon Valley aid to spy on social media
He’ll get it, too. Google, Facebook, the whole parasitic silicon valley culture is on board since the passage of the omnibus budget act in the last dark days of December 2015, bearing DIVISION N—CYBERSECURITY ACT OF 2015 within. The NSA has been privatized. All American insitutions are now dedicated to our destruction. Posted by: jfl | Jan 9 2016 12:25 utc | 64 Those with better memory will remember when NATO intervene in Kosovo. When Kosovars start to pouring in EU its “rapid reaction cultural mechanism” set in motion. Suddenly Kosovo Albanians were involved in prostitution, there were “drug dealers”, weapon merchant, they “raped our woman”, “sudden” hike of crime rate were attributed to them. What not, everything imaginable that was Kosovo Albanians, nation of less than 2 million. Talented folks.
“Their” evilness and disrespect for local regulation is the norm as Frau Merkel said “to send a clear signal to people who do not want to stick to our legal framework”. That’s right.
There are very well organized and coordinated. They communicate by using cell phone, just like in Paris. Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 12:38 utc | 65 @55 guest Posted by: jfl | Jan 9 2016 12:55 utc | 66 The propaganda is full speed, and they have enough zombies to act when and where they need it. Yesterday French MSM were all on the guy who killed his mother for IS, and the French women who joined IS and taught their kids to play football with human heads (I doubt it works). Posted by: Mina | Jan 9 2016 12:58 utc | 67 and here is someone with whose name is Gaby Hinsliff with its piece and point of view Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 12:59 utc | 68 post 67, typical and orthodox example of a Native Informant.
Secondly written in third person.
bed fiction Guardian. Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 13:32 utc | 69 @67 Posted by: metni | Jan 9 2016 14:14 utc | 70 Penelope @48: I’ve given up on you guys…
But there were also some flaws : it’s natural for people whose loved one’s were killed to lobby against guns and the possible drug industry connection was interesting but not strong enough. I also thought that the summary at the end should’ve been at the beginning because not everyone will watch the whole video.
PS At least one other person also wrote to thank you for linking to that video. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 9 2016 14:49 utc | 71 People are angered at Germans because they want their nation to remain German? Posted by: dahoit | Jan 9 2016 14:51 utc | 72 Lets not forget that the Syrian refugee migration is a manufactured crisis – as b pointed out early on when he noted that it fuels calls that “something must be done!” about Assad/Syria.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 9 2016 15:01 utc | 73 Just one problematic thing about gender issue in the West. If the Martians were reading those articles they would get impression the womens in the West are sacred being, fully respected. There is no such thing in capitalism, particularly no in rapacious version of it and German version of it ordo-liberalism. Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 15:17 utc | 74 @ dahoit | Jan 9, 2016 9:51:32 AM | 74 Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 15:33 utc | 75 @76 “Zoological hate toward the others is shared value from Lisbon to Moscow, from Rome to Helsinki….” Posted by: dh | Jan 9 2016 15:36 utc | 76 Saudi psy-ops Posted by: ruralito | Jan 9 2016 15:39 utc | 77 Hannah Tointon: (Hannah Screaming) Janet Montgomery: (Janet Screaming) Posted by: ioana screaming | Jan 9 2016 15:52 utc | 79 When I filled tax return last year they had found mistake $120, no I am not complaining. But a creeps for that article are handling billions as I hundreds. Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 15:54 utc | 81 jfl at 10. I’m still unconvinced that 1,000 rapists ran rampant in Cologne on New Years Eve. Where’s Penelope and her fraud analysis when it seems most needed? Posted by: Noirette | Jan 9 2016 16:27 utc | 82 “The Comoros and Djibouti have cut ties with Iran.” Posted by: Neretva’43 | Jan 9 2016 17:58 utc | 83 Maybe this was already mentioned here Posted by: GoraDiva | Jan 9 2016 18:41 utc | 84 Lozion@54 Re: “…So what do you make of it? A few Socom troops to hold the dam but official denial to not antagonise Turkey’s no Kurds west of the Euphrates redline?…” Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 9 2016 18:46 utc | 85 Please correct me if I’m wrong, but was there or was there not an incident between the US and Cuba wherein Castro released large numbers of prisoners from his jails to go by whatever means to the shores of the US? (I ask because certainly we need to revisit our perceptions further back than yesterday, in light of the deceptions being practised currently by the MSM, or rather msm. I get particularly irate when PBS inserts a quote from Nixon into its ‘shining moments’ ads. He most certainly does not belong there.) Posted by: juliania | Jan 9 2016 19:18 utc | 86 PressTV is showing an exciting war documentary made by two Iraqi journalists who are – I don’t know, “embedded” we might say in the West – with some anti-ISIS Iraqi fighters. Now Pegida is getting in on the act in Cologne. How this is turned from a worthy issue of stopping sexual assault and protecting women to a drooling “kick out the immigrants” bully-fest proves just how unsettled the body politic of the EU is – despite the noble airs of the bureaucrats running the place. @51 penelope.. thanks for your post which i relate to.. i think pepe and a lot of others recognize the set up and russias position in the financial system presently, while also wondering how the power structure can be altered? i am sure putin is aware of all this.. essentially russia is going into a larger war going into direct confrontation with this system of things.. hopefully i am wrong.. i am not sure the way out.. pepe is quite brilliant, but he is probably mystified by the manipulations of the financial system as it has been made intentionally opaque where only a person who spent a life time would be able to understand it.. Starikov does seem to understand it.. i wonder what his recipe for a ‘russian escape’ is? Posted by: james | Jan 9 2016 20:57 utc | 90 @91 & @86 paveway.. thank you for your posts on this ongoing topic and for the additional links.. Posted by: Lozion | Jan 9 2016 22:03 utc | 91 I want to add to the shout out to Paveway. Awesome contribution to our understanding. Every time. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 9 2016 23:11 utc | 93 From the Saker: Posted by: Nick | Jan 9 2016 23:27 utc | 94 Sheikh Nimr: Martyr of World War III
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 10 2016 1:18 utc | 95 Piotr Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 10 2016 1:38 utc | 96 The idea that the Russians cannot do what it takes to save themselves because the Americans wrote a law for them saying they cannot is ludicrous. Not part of the problem … the problem. It does seem to be fact that there are many neolibracon Russians in high places, apparently. Posted by: jfl | Jan 10 2016 1:51 utc | 97 Lone Wolf:
In “The Redirection” (2007), Seymour Hirsh goes a step further, describing an alliance between US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel to use extremists as a weapon:
See more in the article. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 10 2016 2:09 utc | 98 95 Posted by: Chipnik | Jan 10 2016 2:11 utc | 99 #87 juliania
… one of the few arrows in Castro’s quiver, he used it effectively. The article is about the 1994 Balseros Crisis, but Greenhill recounts : The Camarioca Crisis, 1965; The Mariel Boatlift, 1980; and The August 1994 Balseros Crisis. The Mariel Boatlift was ‘the big one’ : 125,000 Cubans. Dwarfed by Erdogan. A million in Germany alone. Posted by: jfl | Jan 10 2016 2:30 utc | 100 |
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