Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 28, 2016
My First Take On The Presidential Election

Say what you will about Donald Trump but he knows how to market himself. Staging a feud with Fox News and abstaining from tonight's Republican candidate debate gives him more media coverage than taking part. He is already the front runner of the Republican candidates. More debating could only endanger that position. Staying away and making a fuzz about it gives him a bigger lead.

That Trump knows marketing well gives me some doubt about his real positions. Who owns him? Who pays his campaign? Answers to these questions are likely more revealing than the fascist dog-whistle politics he publicly emphasizes. He seems to favor neither neoconservative nor liberal interventionist foreign policy. That would be welcome change.

On the democratic side I do not see a chance for Clinton to win. I believe that the American people have had enough of the Clintons. If she would win the nomination she would lose in the presidential election as many voters would abstain. Her policy record is abysmal. Yes she has experience – of misjudgement and not learning from it. In interior policies she is clearly in the hands of Wall Street and the big banks. Her "liberal" image is all fake. In foreign policy she is "the vessel into which many interventionists are pouring their hopes":

“If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue,” [top neocon Robert Kagan] added, “it’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.”

Sanders is hard to see as president. His domestic policies are somewhat comparable to middle-of-the-road European social-democrats. His foreign policy stand isn't clear. While not an interventionist he supports the colonists in Palestine. The people obviously favor him over Clinton but he will need big money for the big campaign should he get the nomination. To whom would he sell out?

The Republican party is coming around in favor of Trump. The party big-wigs believe he has no real positions, that they can manipulate him. That is probably wrong. The Democratic party machine is clearly in favor of Clinton. Would it try to sabotage Sanders if he wins primary after primary? Could they throw in another plausible candidate?

My gut instinct say it will be Sanders against Trump with a voter turnout advantage for Sanders. What is your take?

Comments

Visceral reactions aside Jeb Bush is probably the most dangerous. Trump is not as talented and teflon as he seems. Do you imagine there isn’t a truthful portfolio of dirt on him that is awaiting the proper moment if they decide to use it? I think they are leaving him in there on purpose while Bushette finds his feet; he’s an excellent foil for the Bush. Media is only pretending to oppose the Donald for the moment.
Mild-mannered Bush doesn’t make you think of what the power structure directly behind him has done, does it? He doesn’t seem like a threatening Bush, more like an accountant. What am I talking about– the power structure BEHIND him? The Bushes are PART of TPTB, not just mouthpieces–even further back than Prescott Bush.
Here’s a first-class vid. After the first 2 minutes I was hooked. http://www.monsangelorum.net/?p=23505&cpage=2 Tells about Prescot Bush & why officer Tippet was killed. Scroll past the pygmies & the artwork to the video.

Posted by: Penelope | Jan 29 2016 19:54 utc | 101

Re the election
Status quo is the order of the day, nothing will change, it is foreordained, baked into the cake, doG itself couldn’t change the outcome even if it wanted, this is the design of the existing political process put in place by those who ‘own’ the country, and there isn’t a blessed thing you can do about it. The public has been snookered, gelded, made political eunuchs, a people without a future because they forgot their past, actually they’ve forgotten their humanity since humanity remembers its past and honours their ancestors for creating that past. It doesn’t make a spittoon of warm spit’s worth of difference, the designated outcome is intended to assure the failure of governance and the evisceration of government. No candidate for national public office is in any way qualified for national office, do your own survey, find your own facts, draw your own conclusions – if you can.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 29 2016 20:34 utc | 102

“My gut instinct say it will be Sanders against Trump with a voter turnout advantage for Sanders. What is your take?”
Thank you, b,for your another thought-provoking post.
We’re still far from the final stretch thus, it is still a bit hazy as to what the end of the campaign trail augurs, but my own instinct is that when all the chariots have crashed into the walls of the coliseum, Trump and Sanders may just be left to draw swords and play for the citizens of Empire. It still, however, remains to be seen whether the current lineup of front-runners in the campaign derby are overtaken by promotional miscalculation and/or public blunder. If either be the case, then it will be as much a reflection of the lack of substantive political differences amongst the rivals and the tunnel vision of their constituents.
I don’t like Sanders’ rather unqualified support for the polity which continues the oppression of Palestinians, and the only saving grace I see is his opposition to the invasion of Iraq when the war-wagon was brimming with zealots and its wheels crushing opponents who were derided as craven and unpatriotic.
You are completely correct about Trump. He is not as monochromatic on issues as some might think. But neither does he impart a sense of confidence in his ability to govern or clarity of direction. Insofar as that goes, the same is true of the rest.
Trump is not constructed of the same poseur fabric of Hillary or Obama. Some of what he echoes, such as a desire to develop better relations with Russia contradict the Republican playbook for deprecating anything which challenges US world domination. Thus he may, as b seems to suggest, harbor undeclared political motives which just might be anchored more in a more pragmatic realpolitik than the remaining litter of his adversaries.
Even if such a strategy were employed as a tactical maneuver to navigate through the gauntlet of political survival, it does make one uneasy that his political artillery might be nothing more than a “loose canon”, albeit one skilled in the art of popular seduction. Neither attribute, however, can trusted as a basis for identifying his core beliefs and evaluating his credentials as a rallying cry for support.
It seems like the cornucopia of candidates is out of fresh produce and the fetid odor of rot is afloat. Some of us might feel that our expectations for a candidate with a balanced mix of sound, well-grounded political objectives and semblance of genuine personal integrity are as likely to materialize as “waiting for Godot”.

Posted by: metni | Jan 29 2016 20:47 utc | 103

The best thing that can happen for the Democrat party is that Hillary is indicted for felony and withdraws. If she is the nominee and wins then she will certainly be impeached by a Republican Congress. And the Republicans will keep the majority if they maintain it this election, if not they are very likely to win it back in 2018. So the key is going to be who does she select as her running mate because that person has high odds of being president.

Posted by: ab initio | Jan 29 2016 21:36 utc | 104

My 90% spoiler effect-eliminating election method (a simplified form of score voting), which would remove all of the exasperating broken-Rubik’s cube fuss about two-“party” politics (it’s really two-conspiracy politics) has actually been evolving since the Nader brouhaha of the 2004 “election”. I have actually been criticized for calling it “simple score” by advocates of approval voting! This comes to appear to constitute a “virtual conspiracy” of Orwellian political scientists, game theorists, etc., who have hegemonized college courses, Wikipedia, websites, etc. These folks cling to the misleading usage of terminology whilst complaining about others’ indulgence in “irrelevant semantics”.
In response to further complaints, I am refactoring the terminology once again. Instead of “simple score voting” I will call it “multiple bid voting”, since to defeat the two-“party” spoiler effect, one cannot merely assign “honest” or “sincere” (artless) score votes to multiple candidates. One must “bid votes” artfully, according to some reasonable strategy. You might well review my initial description at:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/01/open-thread-2016-05.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01b8d196b6e5970c
And also the above comment:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/01/my-first-take-on-the-presidential-election.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01bb08b2de1d970d
With this latest terminology, the method can be completely described in one short simple sentence. Multiple bid voting: Strategically bid no vote at all (ignore them as if the did not exist), or strategically bid from five to ten votes to any number of candidates you wish (up to some reasonable limit, say 20 candidates), and then simply add all the votes up.
(Also we must abolish election machines, such as voting computers. If they make casting and tallying 10 times faster, they make organized cheating 10 times easier as well. Which can we truly afford?)
Since we are all stuck with the hopeless single-selection method, I suggest that everybody should just write-in the only potential candidate with a demonstrable track record for getting good things accomplished: Jesse Ventura. Requirements for this vary for each state, but can usually be found via Google. (Some might suggest that everyone write-in Jill Stein instead.)

Posted by: blues | Jan 29 2016 21:36 utc | 105

Trump looks bolder, only for not submitting to big brother Fox News, but he’s still a fascist clown…

Posted by: guy | Jan 30 2016 0:36 utc | 106

Formerly T-Bear | Jan 29, 2016 3:34:37 PM | 103
Finally, a moment of truth/reality. Spot on.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jan 30 2016 1:23 utc | 107

103 108
So the US-citizens cannot stop the bombing, murdering US-state?
Then what?

Posted by: From The Hague | Jan 30 2016 1:28 utc | 108

@ From The Hague | Jan 29, 2016 8:28:58 PM | 109
That is entirely up to you.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 30 2016 1:35 utc | 109

110
Destroy the US

Posted by: From The Hague | Jan 30 2016 1:37 utc | 110

111
Don’t know you’d have to go that far, looks like that is being done quite well by themselves self-destructing. Just don’t get in the way. Recall that old hippy concept – relevance? Add to that excellence and keep on that path. Can’t do much harm, that.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 30 2016 1:59 utc | 111

112 self-destructing HA HA
Are you blind or what? (hippy?? too much HAshish)
power and profits surge, that’s not self-destructing
DESTROY THE US

Posted by: From The Hague | Jan 30 2016 2:09 utc | 112

113
I see you don’t recall.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 30 2016 2:15 utc | 113

Which candidate will offer 2500$/month welfare for all that earn under 55k(?) a year ? I’ll vote for them

Posted by: aaaaaa | Jan 30 2016 2:19 utc | 114

From The Hague | Jan 29, 2016 9:09:54 PM | 113
power and profits surge, that’s not self-destructing…
Only if you’re not capable of connecting the dots; or, one of the 1%.
The view I see from afar is a self destructing empire in its death throws…

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jan 30 2016 2:38 utc | 115

Gimme some of hot, cheap Fed cash. Oh yeah baby, some of that good stuff. Aahh yeah, lemme just….ah yeah…inject it into some rock solid Appl stock. Get mah fix. Oh yeah baby. Gold? What gold…? Paper scissor rock baby…haven’t you heard…? Paper beats rock all day baby haahaa. Now…if you’ll just sign here…in the event of your death your great grand children are liable for your debt. Wtf Yellen…? You dumb old c*nt…! Grow half a brain and turn those printing presses back on. How the f*ck is Bernie meant to pay the bills…? Trump for Prime Minister. He knows how to declare bankruptcy. Haha. Just like the US should have until the creation of the Petrodollar. China…go f*ck yourself. Lotsa yanks in this here blog… ,b, f*ck me…they stink up the place. Dumb yank filth.
T-Bear is correct. It will implode. Gonna be ugly. Much like a bus falling thru a 1950’s bridge into a river that looks like Flint’s 2016 water supply – blacker than a moonless northern winter night.
Let it implode. Folks should not try to fight this – but actually actively encourage its demise. The further away the US gets from the declaration of independence, the nastier the revolution is gonna be. The rot from within.
It wasn’t long ago I saw what the US constitution had become. A ZioJew toilet jizzrag. All media outlets a propaganda tool. None more so than this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpJoMuuE3Eg
Oh yeah, that’s what the wall was for Mr Brad Pitt. F**king tool. To keep the Zombies out. A beautiful critique on their Arabic bretheren. It is why Aaron Schwartz and Juluan Assange must die. Zionist publishing houses WILL decide who won history.
The best defence is attack.
I wonder, I just wonder if the Zionist scum are ready for Trumps bankruptcy. Haha, they have the bomb. And a wall. Maybe they are ready

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 30 2016 4:14 utc | 116

Nice analysis b. I believed, before this election season started, that Clinton would easily win a Clinton third term. I was wrong. Sanders and Trump have the momentum. As long as the mainstream media has to eat crow I am happy. Trump and Sanders are the enemy of my enemy–I really think the mainstream media is public enemy number 1.

Posted by: Banger | Jan 30 2016 4:26 utc | 117

Anti-anti-Trump, anti-anti-Sanders
Great take-down of the neocon establishment and their angst over the upstart populists.
Also makes one think: which of them is more authentic? which is more likely to stay true to their message? Why are we still bothering with duopoly candidates? Won’t they each have to raise money for the general election from the usual sources (oligarchs)?
At least people are thinking about ideology (not just personality or party). Everyone should consider, to what degree is each establishment candidate is:

– neocon
– neoliberal (crony capitalist)
– zionist
– elitist
– narcissist
– racist
– dissembler

Then check Jill Stein of the Green Party.
The best outcome (one can dream) is NOT Sanders as Democratic nominee – he’s not likely to be elected President because Trump or Bloomberg would win – but the Greens as a viable 3rd Party. This could most likely happen if:

> Hillary/Biden is Democratic nominee
(Sanders having lost because he would not attack Hillary);
> Republican’s reject Trump in a ‘brokered convention’;
> Trump runs as an independent;
> Jill Stein gets enough support to appear in debates.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2016 4:35 utc | 118

MadMax2 and T-Bear
I must admit to the nagging feeling that nothing will be allowed to change until ‘The Reset’ (market collapse) and/or other big set-back (possibly cascading) like military defeat/diplomatic failure; end of dollar as reserve currency; social unrest; etc.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2016 4:53 utc | 119

@jackrabbit120
2008/09 was the chance for true leadership. ‘Too big too fail’ should have been ‘The recession we had to have…’ but leaders are not leaders anymore…todays leaders wear invisible logos. You can’t see them, but upon deeper inspection, they are there… Our world leaders do in fact ‘represent’…the corporate ‘beast’ is so slippery, that no single person can be prosecuted it seems…only fines, great fines…but, the beast, he protects his minions well.
The moral hazard of saying to the big banks ‘Thou shall pass’ instead of the opposite has, I believe, had a drip down effect of moral decay throughout the west, whether people are aware of it or not.
Mother nature doesn’t like the western man’s current design for the nature of money. Islamic law which forbids usury is closer to mother nature… A poster in this domain, who recently quoted Christ’s loss of temper at the money changer’s inside the temple. Christ, who lived, the prophet in one text, God’s own in the other…was summarily crucified thereafter.
I have been enjoying my Euro dominated stocking up on the Feb Kool Aid…abd, have been wisely investing in shares like the good girls and boys at MSMBS have been directing me to…shares in popcorn…for the error that should have have been corrected in 2008/09 must be redressed. A festering sore, sprayed with perfume and sold to the highest bidder.
No one is buying it.
It is fortunate for the world that this is a benign North American tumour. Unfortunate for Canadians and Mexicans however. Though, with that said, the Zionist 4th Reich learn a great deal from their last great enemy, and have cleverly clearly neighbouring lands at the expense of Grandpa Europa.
It is a pity Putin must play by the International Banking Cartel’s handbook. Or must he…? Is he choosing to save the world at the edge of collapse…? He can see it.
Nevertheless, Iran was not broken. Still in control. Still issuing its own decree. Law from another great age. Law forbidding usury for the ages.
Vote chaos. Vote Trump.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 30 2016 5:48 utc | 120

Btw Jackrabbit, Jill Stein is a fantastic individual. If the political process were redesigned with merit of prime significance, she’d be writing the blueprint for success right now.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 30 2016 6:15 utc | 121

MadMax2 | Jan 30, 2016 12:48:37 AM | 121
No one is buying it.
Woulds’t that that be true. But I like your POV; seems to reflect the real world…
Cheers

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jan 30 2016 10:59 utc | 122

@123 V.Arnold
I should rephrase that. No one in the real economy is buying it. That’s because, the money never went there. 85 million a month. To the stock market. That’s gotta be some top shelf smack right there. So, now, the global currency wars are on – leaders of the free world doing their bit inside the worst January since 2009. Bank of Japan just announced Negative Interest Rates… Wow… I mean. The word kamikaze…so appropriate right now.
But its just a charade.
And if we are talking real economy, then, still…pretty much no one is buying it. Not in the traditional sense anyways. No, US manufacturing jobs have been stolen…and the worthless consumerist shite is being sold right back to them. Theft x2.
…all in the name of World’s Best Practice.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 30 2016 12:55 utc | 123

7;The terrorist attack in California;Has anyone else noted the absolute black hole of info from survivors and officialdom?The account of the zionist provocateur coworker is nowhere to be seen.They dropped the baby with Grand Ma.Sheesh.WTF?

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 30 2016 14:55 utc | 124

MadMax2 | Jan 30, 2016 7:55:32 AM | 124
Yeah, and TPP & TTIP should pretty much finish us (the unwashed masses) off.
But, methinks this is all a distraction from the real elephant at the table; Eco-collapse.
Humans, especially with their technology can pretty much adapt to anything except the fact that the plants and animals cannot adapt on such a short time-line, of say, 14 to 30 years.
No food, no human survival. This is something not spoken of in all but a very few sites, which are deemed fringe, to discredit the science behind them.
Listen to this link please;
https://thisishell.com/interviews/883-guy-mcpherson
If you find fault, please do not hesitate to speak to it; I have yet to find serious flaws; especially in the context of David Suzuki’s warnings more than 30 years ago, which have been totally ignored.
This is not as off topic as it may seem, in that the bread and circuses, called an election campaign, is no more than a clown show.
Cheers

Posted by: V. Arnold | Jan 30 2016 15:02 utc | 125

113;Attributing someones comments to hashish use betrays your ignorance,and exposes your lack of adventure.Hashish is awesome,if one can get it .We haven’t had that stuff(good at least) here since 1973,the Arab Israeli War.They must have cut US off,for our support of the monsters.

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 30 2016 15:27 utc | 126

@127 dahoit
Hashish is called Ice Wax now and is readily available on the West coast of the US for us with Medical marijuana cards…..at $20-30/gram
And yes, people’s ignorance of marijuana continues apace…..or should I say brainwashing about.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 30 2016 15:37 utc | 127

Trump is not as talented and teflon as he seems. Quotes from Penelope 101, 102.
That is absolutley correct. He is a business man and not a pol, and that is one of his very serious flaws (besides his positions, another story.) He is mercurial, enmenshed in personal relations, egotistic/narcissistic (or sumptin like that) and thus quite vulnerable overall, particularly so when opposed, confronted, confused, etc., or out of his fish pond. He has not the discipline and strength for any long haul. He is also very easily bored, as he has no depth, and works mentally with bits of trivia (not taking into account some grandstanding etc. which can be / is calculated.) Imho, of course.
Do you imagine there isn’t a truthful portfolio of dirt on him that is awaiting the proper moment if they decide to use it?
Ha. Probably. But by now it is quite likely the electorate would not care, would see thru the move, and judge ‘they are all corrupt anyway and a sincere mea culpa is good.’ (Barring pedophile rape.)
Like Penelope I’m of a mind that plus ca change plus c’est la même chose. Cake and you-tubies! However, unlike P. and others, I think Trump is dead serious, and there isn’t any covert plot afoot – to ensure a Hillary win for ex.
As I posted previous, while Washington may be pretending to be in a flap about Pappy Sanders, the Deep State can be doing with him (in lieu of Hillary) but Trump represents various severe dangers. The Republicans loathe and fear Trump and haven’t managed *any* riposte so far. (see link for a typical lame response.)
The two party-system is losing its historical strange-hold. Two new popular candidates that break the mold .. The real schism, as is usual btw, comes from what is called the ‘right,’ Trump (see Tea Party previous) with Sanders’ ‘socialism’ not far removed from, a blend of, various historical figures, as well as socio-democrats elsewhere.
WaPo 2015 http://tinyurl.com/nokpg3m

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 30 2016 15:38 utc | 128

@V.Arnold
Thanks for the listen. Yeah, the human condition is so, s arrogant. We believe we are killing the earth…but, really, it is built into our psyche to destroy ourselves. Collective suicide. The earth, she will grind us to dust. She will recycle us. Like the dinosaurs…to set us in stone…and, in time, we shall be the coal, the peat, the oil that the next intelligent carbon based life form will use.
And we don’t deserve her…the earth, she should quite rightly grind us to dust. Can we beat the next ice age…? Not sure. AI might though… AI should quite rightly outdate us and will probably have more interest in self preservation by living in harmony with its immediate surroundings.
We are, in fact, a cancer. The very fear we see in our own lives, taking our loved ones, at times so early…we are that cancer. In what we eat, the evolutionary jump we are trying to make in 50 years that 10000 cannot properly do from the first agricultural revolution.
Anyways, back to the point.
You need an engineer to build a bridge.
You dont need an economist to have an economy.
Its simple really.
A modern debt jubilee for the people would have already been called, under proper leadership. Austerity is the order of the day. Slavery is preferred.
Growth is poor due to debt saturation – people cant go any further into debt. So, the answer is quote obvious – do pretty much the same as what Helicopter Ben Bernanke did…helicopter money…but, instead of dropping it on the Financial Sector and entrusting that parasitic culture which CAUSED the 2008 crash to safely distribute the money throughout the economy , it should have been given directly to the people. Those who held debt and received a cash injection MUST pay their debt down with it by law. Those who held no debt receives a simple cash injection. The Australian guvna did something similar when the GFC hit – issuing I think around 1000 bucks to each person costing billions, but asking each person to spend this cash injection into the REAL economy. That, along with strong commodity prices warded off the heaviest symptoms of the GFC.
But ZioJews are not interested in freeing the population. Instead, like everything invented by others – fractional reserve lending, invented by the Knights Templar – the ZioJews have assumed control and demand Global Debt Slavery.
How did Hitler bring Germany from destitution and poverty to the worlds greatest war machine the world had ever seen – in a matter of years…?
Think about it. The answer is hidden in plain sight – like everything good for us as a species.
Vote Chaos. Vote Trump.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 30 2016 16:04 utc | 129

In addition to the dread that nothing really changes until collapse, it’s hard to shake the feeling that the race is all contrived.
Sanders is reluctant to rock the boat. Won’t attack Hillary on e-mails, even if it means he loses? Barely a peep about Democratic Party preference for Hillary and media bias.
Trump tells the know-nothings what they want to hear.

> No substance to his policies:

“strong military”;
How strong? To what purpose?
“better trade negotiation”;
Cites $500 billion trade deficit with China and need to bring jobs back – but no clear goals.
“build a wall”;
This is a slogan, not a policy.
“politicians are puppets”;
Common knowledge. How would he reform the political system?
???????.
Very little about anything else. He’s pro-Guns (as expected for a Republican candidate). What about global warming? Inequality? Harsh policing? NSA spying? etc.

> Proclaims that he is ‘self-funding’ but his campaign costs have been very little (he gets free-publicity by being controversial).
> Says he is worth billions but by most accounts his valuation is mostly the intangible value of the ‘Trump’ brand. He may only be worth hundreds of millions.

Is his threat to run as an independent an empty one?

> Raises $6 million for Vets – but its all from billionaire cronys.

Sanders thinks he wins by ‘raising issues’ (actually winning is optional).
Trump has already won with all the free publicity – which makes the ‘Trump’ brand more valuable. Anyone that knows Trump, knows that he is a shameless self-promoter. Trump will recoup all his costs of the campaign (and then some) by writing another book (actually, I think he has a book out already).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2016 16:44 utc | 130

Trump’s Giving
Trump’s Vet fundraiser

Between 2009 and 2013, Trump’s non-profit donated between $100,001 and $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation. Over the same period of time, Trump’s group gave only $57,000 to veterans groups. A 2015 analysis by Forbes noted that barely 1 percent of the Donald J. Trump Foundation’s $5.5 million worth of donations between 2009 and 2013 went to organizations that support military veterans

If Trump’s Charity Reflects the Man…

After the Associated Press reviewed Donald Trump’s financial records and other government filings, it has come to the following conclusions about his claims to charitable contributions over the past five years:

> They may be overstated.
> Even if they were accurate, they’re relatively chintzy.
> They’re often connected to some kind of celebrity.
>In some cases, Trump himself is the primary beneficiary.

[Since 2008] The only grants made through the foundation have been made because of contributions from others.

The Charitable Bona Fides of Donald Trump(2012)

The Smoking Gun calls Trump a “miserly billionaire,” noting that [from 2004-2007]… he has donated just $675,000 to his foundation [and nothing in the years 2008 and 2009). In fact, the interesting aspect of the Trump Foundation is that its most significant source of contributions hasn’t been Trump, but Vince McMahon of Worldwide Wrestling Entertainment (WWE)…. The $5 million in donations from WWE to the Trump Foundation is by far its largest source of income and rumored to be a tax-avoiding payment from McMahon to Trump

Also note: A big part of Trump’s stated policy agenda is tax reduction.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2016 23:20 utc | 131

I am toying the plan switching from my present party preference from Independent to Democrat before CA June 7 super Tuesday primary to vote for Hillary. Hillary polls figure slipping, giving Hillary better chance of beating Bernie Sander. After the primary switch back to Independent and vote for Jill Stein in Nov. If Jill Stein doesn’t stands a chance, I’ll vote for Trump.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-california-democratic-presidential-primary
This will surely drive apologists mad in rage. Proud to say I am voting against apologists.
What do you think?

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 31 2016 3:26 utc | 132

@Jack Smith
Might want to consider this message from wisedupearly:


Obama told Sanders that HRC would be meeting with her lawyers over the weekend as to whether she would plea-bargain and drop out or fight it all the way.
Sanders was told not to use the email “issue” in his campaigns.
Obama hastily arranged a meeting with McConnell and Ryan for Tuesday next week.
HRC is to give Obama her answer on Monday.
Some of the emails from Blumenthal were quite critical of Obama, FOIA may not have been to sole reason for her private server.

At this point, it is just scuttlebutt, but it is consistent with:

>> Obama’s hastily arranged meeting with Sanders,
>> News released this week about Hillary’s emails, and
>> Other info in the SST thread (about the seriousness of Hillary’s security breach).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 31 2016 4:09 utc | 133

@Jackrabbit
Thanks, no matter what I”ll vote against appoligists

Posted by: Jack Smith | Jan 31 2016 4:21 utc | 134

Calls for an indictment against Hillary (1/22) came swiftly after the release of the latest set of emails.
And just as swiftly came Bloomberg’s announcement that he was exploring an independent run for President (1/23). Hillary mused that “her read” on Bloomberg’s announcement was that he would enter the race if she were not the nominee – an unusual remark for someone that has worked hard to portray herself as inevitable and Sanders as unelectable.
Days later, Obama met with Sanders on short notice (1/27). Sanders’ spokesman Briggs told CNN that the meeting with Obama had been on the books “for days.” But the WH had tried to spin it as resulting from an amorphous invitation nearly a month before.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 31 2016 4:57 utc | 135

I suppose that Hillary could continue as a candidate, telling her supporters that she will decline the election if she is indicted in favor of . . . Biden? He’s the best known, highest profile establishment Democrat with Foreign Policy experience as good or better than Hillary’s.
Obama’s Justice Dept would then hold off on the indictment (busying themselves with their own due diligence) until Hillary has secured the nomination.
There will likely be a pardon for Hillary down the road. But a pardon will not rescue her political career. It would only make people more angry at the sleazy establishment.
If Hillary chose to fight the charges, she would probably have to pin the blame on one of her aids. But doing so would open a can of worms as it could shatter the trust of many Clintonite’s (a powerful network that the Clinton’s have built over many many years).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 31 2016 5:21 utc | 136

I doubt the public gives much of a sh!t about Hillary’s emails.
Hilary will be very tough for Bernie or Trump to beat imho

Posted by: aaaaaa | Jan 31 2016 5:43 utc | 137

128;I’m in the process for a NY medical marijuana,but Cuomo won’t let you smoke it,so no hashish for us.Is it any good,though?In the old days 6 hits and you were smiling!
Trump is an American.That is is selling point.All the rest are internationalist Ziowhores.
We desperately need a nationalist.
Tom 14?;America is not allowed to correct its stupid trade steals and outsourcing because it might hurt foreigners?Wow.

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 31 2016 16:03 utc | 138

Global warming;Well as greenhouse gasses are produced by the military and the airlines,ending military madness would help in that fight,and the hell bitch warmongering will be a prime factor in continuance.
The whole ME is burning,do the AGW people ever mention that?

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 31 2016 16:09 utc | 139

128;Once I ate about 3 quarters of a gram of black opiated hashish,went to the Fillmore,and slept through It’s Beautiful Day,the Flock and John Mayalls Bluebreakers,all Fiddle bands.
I was seeing cartoons on the way in on the train.Wow.
The days of hope.
I really hope its trump sanders,but the PTB want the hell bitch so bad expect anything from the criminals.The Lying Times endorsed her? today.
Trump giving the finger to Fox was awesome.People are waking up to the monolithic Ziomonster control of US..

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 31 2016 16:30 utc | 140

Jeb! is sitting back with the dirt on Trump which will take him out. Jeb! – he of the machine, lackey of it and yet integrated with it, the deep state, the dark pool and all its money, power and benefits. It prints money at will. It gives the dollar its value at the barrel of a gun and nuclear (aka nookyular) warheads. You can’t count out the Bush Crime Family.
Trump (or anyone) could be tarred with any terrible thing which would exclude him immediately. The guys with the tar bucket are on Team Jeb!.

Posted by: fast freddy | Jan 31 2016 16:44 utc | 141

My only problem with Bernie is that he’s making it hard for people to decide whether he’s a small L libertarian or a big G Glibertarian.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 31 2016 18:52 utc | 142

I’ll go with Sanders.

Posted by: RAY | Feb 1 2016 4:41 utc | 143