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January 14, 2016

Feeling Ignored By Obama Saudi Dynasty Threatens To Hurt Itself

Someone paid Kim Ghattas, a BBC correspondent in Washington, to write an extremely pro-Saudi piece for Foreign Policy.

The money was not well spent. The piece, The Saudi-Iran War Is America’s Fault, is as lousy as its headline.

The central argument goes somewhat like this:

"If the U.S. does not stop the nuclear disarmament of Iran - the Saudis baddest foe -  then the Saudis will have no other choice but to destabilize Saudi Arabia."

No. That does not make sense. But that is the argument the piece makes. It is also something that the Saudis are actually doing.

Some excerpts:

The United States cannot ignore or choose to stay out of the brewing rivalry between Iran and Saudi Arabia. It is not a purely religious feud, and it is not someone else’s civil war — it’s a hornet’s nest in which Washington poked its finger by pursuing a nuclear deal with Iran. ... It is this shifting regional context caused by the JCPOA [nuclear deal] that explains not only Saudi Arabia’s increasingly assertive stance in recent months, but also its decision to execute Shiite cleric Nimr al-Nimr on Jan. 2.

Not only is the Obama responsible for Saudi warmongering at Tehran but he also killed the Saudi rabble-rouser Nimr al-Nimr!

How did he do that?

The Saudis knew that going ahead with the death sentence would provoke the Iranians and worry the Americans. So why did they choose this moment to do it? It was time to send a clear message to U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration that Riyadh is sufficiently antagonized by Washington that it no longer feels obligated to go along with American efforts to tiptoe around Iran.

So the Saudis killed Nimr because, like a child that stomps its feet, they needed Obama's attention.

The Saudis also went to war against Yemen because of Obama's lack of attention, says the author. That war goes badly she admits but the Saudis will go on anyway because Obama is dangling after Iran. How the support for the Saudis war on Yemen by U.S. air-tankers, intelligence, targeting advice and expedited ammunition delivery can be seen as a lack of U.S. attention is left unexplained.

The Saudis are also miffed that Obama did not protest when an anti-western terrorist on their payroll was killed:

In December, the head of a powerful Islamist Syrian rebel group, Zahran Alloush, was killed in an airstrike that rebels blamed on Russia. He was no moderate and no friend of the West, but he was a powerful rebel leader and his death was a blow to Syrian peace efforts.
...
In the eyes of Riyadh, Washington’s muted reaction to Alloush’s killing was worse than the strike itself.

So Obama should have protested the killing of an anti-western Jihadi, who publicly put children and women into cages as human shields, because ...

The nonsense continues like that. Yes, says the author, the Saudis are richer and have more and better weapon than Iran and more international support. But they still fear Iran and that is Obama's fault.

The threat is, the author says, that the Saudis will continue their childish behavior and further hurt themselves. That would, somehow, be bad. Obama must therefore pad them on their head and slap Iran.

The author does well in describing the irrationality of recent Saudi behavior. But she then uses that irrationality as a pro-Saudi argument for more U.S. engagement. It does not strike me as a compelling reasoning. I doubt it will convince anyone else. The Saudi embassy in Washington should ask for its money back.

There is no doubt that the Saudis are not doing well right now. Their war on Yemen is expensive, endless and has zero positive results. Big partners of the new alliances the Saudis announced repudiate to be part of it. The still sinking oil price is creating huge budget troubles.

But the Saudis could still behave worse and if this unconfirmed report is right they will soon start doing so:

Saudi King Salman Al-Saud plans to abdicate his throne and install his son Mohammed as king, multiple highly-placed sources told the Institute for Gulf Affairs.

Mohamed bin Salman is the current deputy crown prince, second in-line to the throne, and defense minister.

King Salman, 80, has been making the rounds visiting his brothers seeking support for the move that will also remove the current crown prince and American favorite, the hardline Mohammed bin Naif from his positions as the crown prince and the minister of interior.
...
Salman plans to abdicate and install his son as king while he is still alive to guarantee his offspring would not be marginalized and driven out of power like all the sons of former Saudi kings who lost power and influence after the death of their fathers.
...
The sources did not give a specific time line for the abdication but believed the matter will be concluded within a matter of weeks.

Deputy Clown Prince Mohamed bin Salman, the guy who has Debt To GDP, is responsible for the totally irresponsible war on Yemen and its continuation. His planned economic and social reforms practically guarantee social discontent within Saudi Arabia. His coronation would also lead to deep trouble within the very large al-Saud family. Many older princes would feel snubbed out and pull their strings to regain power.

The precipitant change of guard is probably the worst the Saudis could do to themselves. But, as the first quoted piece above argues, this is the very reason why Washington should pamper the Saudis and attack Iran.

Let us hope that no one else in Washington draws such a lunatic conclusion.

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Germany wanting to following a trend has own 9/11, Paris, London etc. false flag operation. Thus Germany get own Patriot Act, the “Mainz Declaration”

Commenting Saturday on the events in Cologne, the World Socialist Web Site noted, “The events in Cologne are the pretext and not the reason for the call for more powers for the state”.

In response to the events in Cologne, Heinrich Wefing, the deputy head of the political department of the newspaper Die Zeit, called for a “strong state”. He wrote that “Violence and misogyny” in “immigrant milieus” can only be countered by persistent prosecution by a well-equipped police.

While the call for expanded state powers targets migrants and refugees, it is, in fact, aimed at the population as a whole – to suppress growing opposition to social inequality, militarism, and the drive to war abroad.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/01/11/colo-j11.html

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 15 2016 22:47 utc | 101

Laguerre | Jan 15, 2016 5:43:16 PM | 100

"You believe a right-wing nutter?"

Well, difficult to say. The House is clearly in chaotic condition. I certainly am eager to see the EU falling into, not pieces, but to atoms. I wish it long and painful death.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 15 2016 22:53 utc | 102

THIS

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/12/28/pers-d28.html

Contrary to the claims of official propaganda, the EU has never overcome the conflicts that made Europe the center of two world wars. The EU does not unite the peoples of Europe, but has always been a weapon of the most powerful economic and financial interests against the working class at home and international rivals abroad. It is a hotbed of nationalism, inequality, dictatorship and war.

The EU is living proof that it is impossible to unite the continent on a capitalist basis. The defence of capitalist private property and the free movement of capital and profits, which are the focus of the EU treaties, inevitably have the consequence that the most powerful corporations in the EU set the tone and the strongest states impose their will on the weaker. Instead of alleviating national and social contradictions, the EU exacerbates them to the extreme.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 15 2016 23:01 utc | 103

@102
"I certainly am eager to see the EU falling into, not pieces, but to atoms. I wish it long and painful death."

What exactly do you want. Blood in the streets?

Or a return to independent nation states? That seems to be what Geert Wilders wants.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-14/dutch-populist-wilders-says-eu-finished-netherlands-must-leave

Posted by: dh | Jan 15 2016 23:50 utc | 104

"I certainly am eager to see the EU falling into, not pieces, but to atoms. I wish it long and painful death." Yeah, lots of Americans would like to see that happen, never mind the difficulties.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 16 2016 0:00 utc | 105

"What exactly do you want. Blood in the streets?"

While I am against violence, I shall say that's the only way to "convince" oligarchy in concessions. Well, not only a concession but the power itself. It is difficult subject, the rulers are aware of it and they arrange all those false flag and psy. operations against own people similar to Gladio.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 16 2016 0:01 utc | 106

@ Laguerre | Jan 15, 2016 7:00:05 PM | 105

So what are you saying? That the EU is sort of competitor to the US, if so, you are clueless.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 16 2016 0:04 utc | 107

89

Israel's goal, and only goal, is all the land east to the Euphrates and north to Turkey. Syria's included. ... it is the basis for all our wars for the last 25 years, and our country has deteriorated to such an extent that we have made the self-interest of another country superior to our own. - Wilkerson

"The nation state as a fundamental unit of man's organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force: International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state." - Brzezinski

That a guy like Wilkerson can say that, and the other guy - Hersch - can't figure out why the US "hates" Assad, when it's all been laid out as clear as blue skies criss-crossed with streaks of Aluminum and Barium Dust, indicates that they pretend to be stupid.

Pontificating about part of an issue and playing dumb about a big part of that issue makes these fellas "Limited Hangouts".

Posted by: fast freddy | Jan 16 2016 0:04 utc | 108

@106 More psy. operations I guess...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/15/german-town-bans-male-refugees-from-swimming-pool

Posted by: dh | Jan 16 2016 0:08 utc | 109

@Harry "It has nothing to do with Assad either, as UK FM frankly said, if someone else in Assad's place would continue same policies, so would the West in its support for terrorists."

We know this is true and have much evidence, not the least of which was the 2012 offer that Assad would step down in exchange for an end to the influx of NATO-GCC-Israeli supported terrorists.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 16 2016 0:20 utc | 110

This business with the markets is likely the first rumbles of a big earthquake that people have been predicting since the central banks of the world failed to properly deal with the 2008 crash.

Could be very rough times coming up.

As for this business about who spends what on their military - how much was the US spending in the years before Second World War? It is meaningless. Military strength comes from economic capacity, morale, and - I firmly believe - the rightness of one's cause. The USAs $1 Trillion dollar boondoggle is not worth 1/4 of that in real military terms, I'd guess. Its a massive tax-dollar siphon for some big corporations and certain universities more than anything.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 16 2016 0:25 utc | 111

Friday Night: Comment w/ George Galloway


Saudi Arabia is in the hands of young prince Mohammed bin Salman, who has ordered the bombing of Yemen’s people and infrastructure, a massacre that has lasted nearly an entire year.

With the sudden execution of senior Shia scholar Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, tension in Riyadh-Tehran relations is escalating.

At the end of 2015, German intelligence agency BND published a remarkable one-and-a-half-page memo saying that Saudi Arabia had adopted “an impulsive policy of intervention.”

It portrayed Saudi Defense Minister and Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman – the powerful 29-year-old favorite son of the ageing King Salman, who is suffering from dementia – as a political gambler who is destabilizing the Arab world through proxy wars in Yemen and Syria.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 16 2016 0:26 utc | 112

@111 It creates a lot of employment too. But then so did building pyramids.

Posted by: dh | Jan 16 2016 0:43 utc | 113

@113 Got me wondering. Apparently about a quarter of the military budget goes to paying salaries and benefits of the personnel.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/112th-congress-2011-2012/reports/43574-MilitaryCompensation_One-Col.pdf

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 16 2016 0:59 utc | 114

Here's some interesting charts about the $$$ flowing to the US military (from WaPo)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/07/everything-chuck-hagel-needs-to-know-about-the-defense-budget-in-charts/

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 16 2016 1:02 utc | 115

@114 And a lot more goes to the folk who make cruise missiles.

Posted by: dh | Jan 16 2016 1:05 utc | 116

I have tried for the nth time to post this reply, at no avail. I will break it into pieces to find out what is blocking me.

Warning: I have changed the links to shortURLs just in case.

Part I

@Harry@80

d) Turkey has neo-ottoman ambitions.

Of a large size. What is Turkey doing setting military bases in Qatar and Somalia? What does Erdogan need them for, other than expansionism? In the case of Qatar, which already has US basis there, I can only think Turkish troops will be based as part of a mutual agreement in case conflict with Iran opens up. In Somalia, it is pure and simple neo-Ottoman empire pipe dreams.

OTOH, and I can only guess here, Hersh uses the term "logical reasons" in the context of natural logic, within which hatred for a subject would require a reason, not an ambition, what you call "US logic."

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 16 2016 1:32 utc | 117

Part II

@Harry@80

Janissaries Abroad: Turkey to Beef Up Military Presence in Qatar, Somalia

Ankara is determined to beef up Turkey's military presence in the Middle East and Africa; after concluding an agreement with Doha to build Turkey's first Middle Eastern military base in Qatar, Ankara has unveiled its plans to create a new military installation in Somalia [...]

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 16 2016 1:36 utc | 118

Part III

@Harry@80

[...] Ankara is seeking to expand Turkey's influence beyond the Middle East to Africa in a bid to transform Turkey from the regional state into a sort of neo-Ottoman Empire.

"Turkey is building its first base in Africa… The Turkish army intends for the facility to be a training center for Somali troops. The fledgling Somali National Army — with the help of African Union troops and American commandos — has been fighting a war with Al-Shabaab insurgents for years," American reporter Kevin Knodell writes in his article for War Is Boring quoting Turkish Foreign Ministry official Emil Tekin [...]

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 16 2016 1:44 utc | 119

Guess what? b's filter didn't allow me to post a link or shortenURL to war is boring . com. Now, that's really funny. Waste of time.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 16 2016 1:46 utc | 120

Al-Shabab militants have overrun an African Union military base outside the southern Somali town of el-Ade.

60 killed as Al-Shabab seizes African Union base in Somalia:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35321522

http://boulderreporter.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/battle-of-algiers.jpg

LOL, AFRICOM and its West Point and Annapolis graduates loosing battle. Somewhere I read African Union soldiers did nor receive salary for six months and now they are dying for nothing.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Jan 16 2016 1:49 utc | 121

More on Turkey's Erdogan expansionist neo-Ottomanism...and US imperial gangsterism...

Washington’s new & improved plan for Syria: ‘Sunni-stan, a safe zone for terrorists’

The US and its allies want to chip off a piece of Syria and a piece of northern Iraq to create a kind of canton, which will ultimately be completely dependent on those powers that created it, says geopolitical analyst Patrick Henningsen.

Now, Washington is considering the Turkish government’s request to re-launch a US program to train so-called moderate rebels in Syria. If it’s approved this would be the third American training program attempted in Syria.

RT: The US has assisted in the training of so-called moderate rebels in the past - with mixed results. Do you think Washington has come up with a better strategy this time?

Patrick Henningsen: This is a war strategy at least for the Syrian people. I think the previous plan wasn’t so much embedded inside Syria. This proposal is basically deriving from a US military and foreign policy talking point that we have a problem of extremists leaving Syria and going through Turkey and traveling internationally. So that is the so-called problem in terms of a talking point. This was underlined by the recent bombing in Istanbul, which killed a number of Germans coincidentally.

The real problem is Turkey has never made any effort to secure its border, it is absolutely porous and terrorists are allowed to travel in and out of Turkey and have been since 2011. So this new policy is at worst to train Sunni fighters inside Syria, inside what they hope to become a safe zone. And what all this does is reinforce the status quo for Turkey. They don’t have to change any of their behavior, and the problems will continue because of it.

RT: Over the last few months, the US and Ankara have pledged to seal the Turkish border with Syria numerous times. But so far very little progress has been made on this. Is the task really that difficult?

PH: Well, you have to look at the big picture here, and there is a lot going on behind the scenes that doesn’t really get reported, or people aren’t connecting the dots. What you have here is a situation where the West and the coalition, including the GCC [Gulf Cooperation Council] countries specifically Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the others, as well, and Turkey and the whole NATO confab - they failed to remove President [Bashar] Assad, and they failed to collapse the country of Syria. In lieu of this, what they are doing now is just basically moving to take territory. And from this new territory, which will be a kind of a de facto Sunni state - and I am not just saying this, this is what John Bolton has said in a recent New York Times OPED before Christmas – is to create a Sunni state. This is what everyone is talking about in muffled tones in Washington right now: a new ‘Sunnistan’. It is not going to be a safe zone for the Syrian people; this is going to be a safe zone for terrorists. And if you look at the amnesty program that the Syrian government is doing right now, this would provide a place for the amnesty terrorists to go and flee, lay siege to Syria from a safe, internationally-recognized Sunni state. So this is what is going on behind the scenes between Washington, London, Paris, and Riyadh.

RT: Do you think the US has softened its stance on Bashar Assad?

PH: It has been politically convenient to sort of back off of what looks like a losing PR effort – and it has been an absolute loss for the West. They have been demonizing Assad for a number of years now, and his public approval rating within Syria is just getting higher and higher because the Syrian people are looking to him for real leadership, and it’s being shown. This is flying in the face of all the propaganda coming out of Washington and London.

So they are not softening their stance at all. What they are doing now is regrouping. The interesting thing is that the deal that has been struck between Turkey, the US, and the Kurdish regional government – that new deal is really the bulwark of what we’re going to see with them trying to establish this new Sunni state. So they are going to try to chip off a piece of Syria and a piece of northern Iraq to create this kind of canton, if you will, which will ultimately be completely dependent on those powers who created it. They decry the mapmaking exercises after WWI, but yet the same powers are involved in redrawing the maps again in further benefit for the next generation.

Same news covered by Sputnik...John Bolton quote from his New York Times op-ed piece...

Are Washington, Ankara Seeking to Redraw Syrian, Iranian Borders?

[...] Citing American lawyer and diplomat John R. Bolton, the analyst assumes that Ankara and Washington are seeking to create a sort of "Sunnistan" by seizing parts of Syria and Iraq.

"…defeating the Islamic State means restoring to power Mr. Assad in Syria and Iran's puppets in Iraq, that outcome is neither feasible nor desirable. Rather than striving to recreate the post-World War I map, Washington should recognize the new geopolitics. The best alternative to the Islamic State in northeastern Syria and western Iraq is a new, independent Sunni state," Bolton wrote in his November op-ed for The New York Times.

The diplomat elaborated that this "Sunnistan" may become both an oil producer and NATO's bulwark against Bashar al-Assad and Iran-allied Shiite Baghdad [...]

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 16 2016 3:28 utc | 122

@121 LW

If you're having trouble with links, maybe you could submit them like this :

Janissaries Abroad: Turkey to Beef Up Military Presence in Qatar, Somalia at sputniknews dot com

Janissaries Abroad: Turkey to Beef Up Military Presence in Qatar, Somalia

Washington’s new & improved plan for Syria: ‘Sunni-stan, a safe zone for terrorists’ at rt dot com

Washington’s new & improved plan for Syria: ‘Sunni-stan, a safe zone for terrorists’

The Turkish army is going to Somalia at warisboring dot com

The Turkish army is going to Somalia

I tried the indirect and direct method with each, to see if the direct method gets through.

If it does ... the filter must be on a post by post basis?

I agree that Turkey is being recklessly aggressive. I think that the base in Qatar is at least as likely to be a Trojan Horse, to be used in taking over Qatar, as it is in 'defending' it. I suppose same in Somalia, too.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2016 5:01 utc | 123

@121 LW

I agree that the Turks are recklessly aggressive. I think their military bases abroad are there as Trojan Horse's (wasn't Troy in what is now Turkey?) aimed at reducing Qatar and Somalia themselves, under pretense of defending them.

The Turkish Army Is Going to Somalia at warisboring dot com.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2016 5:09 utc | 124

The Saudi are made to look very powerful, untouchable. This is the image that the Western powers have constructed for them and compelled them to adopt. In reality I think that they can't move a finger without the order of Israel or USA: the war in Yemen, the oppression in Barhein, the oppression of their own people, their perversion of Islam, the cutting of heads are all supported and wanted by us so that we can perpetually portray and project on the world a false Islam which attract the hate and the contempt of the world and therefore must be fought continually. May be now the usual suspects, US, Israel, UK, France, etc. have decided to dispose of this dynasty because their awful job has been almost accomplished, we do not need them anymore. What more horrid things can they do for us? Will they yet be used for a massive false flag? Or will they be deposed so that some other puppets can continue to serve us? Change of faces and names but the same policy will continue for our benefit. A criminal dynasty piloted by the most criminal political, financial, economic western elite the world has ever seen.

Posted by: Nick | Jan 16 2016 5:25 utc | 125

@121 LW

I also agree that there are people in and around the US government pushing for the partition of Syriaq as Plan b. They've failed so far, I think they'll keep on failing. Overtly championing Da'esh only works with their neocon homies. They'll be wiped out in the 'real world', on the street in Washington DC even, with that one. They must be thinking that everyone was in on their cabal before it lifted off even to be mouthing that idea. They spent too much money vilifying Da'esh to get away with that one. They're sunk and much as they hate it, they unknow it.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2016 5:48 utc | 126

@121
LW, this is very possibly the shape of things to come in the next few months. The 4+1 must know this so it is high time some troops be paradropped/reinforced the NE sector to counterweight/circumspect SDF/US advances..

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 16 2016 5:52 utc | 127

34

The original American Anthem, until the war-manufacturing Zionists substituted
a British drinking song tune and a poem from America's shameful civil war past:

America, The Beautiful
Oh beautiful, for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain;
For purple mountains' majesties, above the fruited plains;
America, America, God shed his Grace on Thee;
And crown thy Good with Brotherhood, from sea to shining sea.

They got rid of God and Good, and substituted Bmobs and Flags, then had Woodrow
Wilson force the Presidential Band to play the new war drinking song, that soon
spread to military recruiting centers for the first Zionist War of Empire, one
that cost 116,000 Americans their lives, set up the private Fed Central Bank,
and birthed the sleeper cells that later forced Britain to create an 'Israel',
from that Spawn of Satan, a Pentagonal Church of Daeth. It's all right there.

For a very brief period after WW2, America, The Beautiful made a comeback, when I
was a kid. But it took no time at all for the ZioCommies to start the 'Cold War',
and make America a Godless martial arm of the New Levantim, crouching under our
desks, pledging allegiance to a rag, as the Bmobs Song blared through speakers.
Then we all had to wear little blue yarmulkes, and call ourselves 'cub scouts',
not scouts for God, but Consumerism, for Zio Triumphal Exceptional Business.

Look at who you will get to vote for! Both Hillary and Trump are 100% Levantim!!
When defeat is so overwhelming that it controls all choice, there is no Freedom.
Only relative Liberty, between mandatory school and mandatory nursing warehouses,
after which the State takes everything you worked for to pursue their Zio Wars,
and shovels you into a crematorium. The Land of the Fee, and Home of the Slave!

Posted by: NoReply | Jan 16 2016 8:36 utc | 128

re 107

That the EU is sort of competitor to the US, if so, you are clueless.
If you don't understand one of the basic pillars of US policy, yes, you are not going to get very far, though I don't go round personally abusing others.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 16 2016 8:51 utc | 129

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 15, 2016 7:25:38 PM | 111

Military strenght comes from desperate young guys willing to be used as cannon fodder.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 16 2016 10:20 utc | 130

Thierry Meyssan (Voltaire network) has a piece:

Towards the collapse of Saudi Arabia

http://www.voltairenet.org/article189846.html

Ismael Hossein-Zadeh (Counterpunch):

What Accounts for the Saudi Regime’s Hysterical Belligerence? The Agony of Death

http://tinyurl.com/zfdwcoj

Both are from Jan. 2016 and worth a read.

-apologies if posted before the thread is long and i didn't read everything


Posted by: Noirette | Jan 16 2016 14:50 utc | 131

guest77 @ 110

Thanks for the link. I was unfamiliar with Martti Ahtisaari (and I live with a Finnish National!). Seems Ahtisaari quite a guy, did a lot of good in the world and got a lot of things right.

Reminds me a bit of Haans Blix in that regard: eg. Blix had SH's WMD program exactly right, but GWB neocon media worked overtime in every major US media and "think tank" I recall to discredit him (and succeeded here). Not much different then what's going on now.

Posted by: jdmckay | Jan 16 2016 14:59 utc | 132

126;I saw Trump said he wouldn't go to Israel,or something like that.I fervently hope he is not a sychophant.
Remember the MSM frames the candidates,so he must be wary of their potential monkey wrench.They already(Zion)are not on his bandwagon,as he seems a little uncontrollable.
Speaking of unemployment(US)GE just sold its manufacturing division to Haiar(sic?)a Chinese company.Watch the layoffs.
Thanks for nuthin Obomba.

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 16 2016 15:16 utc | 133

@Nick@123

The Saudi are made to look very powerful, untouchable {...}

Not anymore, after the beating they are getting from the Yemenis, who are proving Napoleon's adage that "In war, morale is to the material as three is to one." Saudis "powerful" and "untouchable" facade is falling down every day the Yemenis destroy their tanks, ships, and kill their strawmen mercenary army.

Saudi beasts offered luxury cars (Bentley?) to their pilots for killing innocent people, and keep on buying the latest, most expensive weapons & military hardware, also proving Jeff Cooper's adage that “Owning a gun doesn’t make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.” Having the latest military gadgets and thousands of men in uniform doesn't translate into an army capable of fighting their way out of a paper bag, let alone out of Yemen.

[...] In reality I think that they can't move a finger without the order of Israel or USA: the war in Yemen, the oppression in Barhein, the oppression of their own people, their perversion of Islam, the cutting of heads are all supported and wanted by us so that we can perpetually portray and project on the world a false Islam which attract the hate and the contempt of the world and therefore must be fought continually [...]

A better narrative couldn't be found about the Saudi beasts subordinate dynamic as stooges of the West, and as purveyors of a fake and phony Islam designed to awake hate, not mercy and compassion as Francis Ford Coppola taught us about the true Islam, at the 2015 Marrakech International Film Festival.

[...] May be now the usual suspects, US, Israel, UK, France, etc. have decided to dispose of this dynasty because their awful job has been almost accomplished, we do not need them anymore. What more horrid things can they do for us? Will they yet be used for a massive false flag? Or will they be deposed so that some other puppets can continue to serve us? Change of faces and names but the same policy will continue for our benefit. A criminal dynasty piloted by the most criminal political, financial, economic western elite the world has ever seen.

"A criminal dynasty" whose Western-designed intentions are to ignite a cataclysmic world conflagration if their ambitions are not met despite their temper tantrums.

{...} Make no mistake here, America and Britain created this mess in the world, with the help of profiting allies like Saudi Arabia. The WikiLeaks revelations tell of former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas’ statements on this too. What he revealed is that Britain basically made plans for the Syria disaster years ago. What we are witnessing is a last ditch effort to counter Vladimir Putin’s play in the region, and to either win a new Syria partitioning, or else burn the deserts in total. This is a world war in the making, and the man on the pale horse seems evident now, the leader of the faithful and true. God help us all.

Sheikh Nimr: Martyr of World War III

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 16 2016 15:29 utc | 134

@132 I guess you missed post #60. 223,000 battle-hardened Saudi warriors are on the way. They won't even need US backup.

Posted by: dh | Jan 16 2016 16:09 utc | 135

@jdmckay@130

Thanks for pointing at the post and link of guess77@110, otherwise I would have missed it. And thanks to guess77@100 for rescuing that piece from the trashy rag the Grauniad has become, it is now in my bookmarks.

A couple of points from the link.

[...] At the time of Ahtisaari’s visit to New York, the death toll from the Syrian conflict was estimated to be about 7,500. The UN believes that toll passed 220,000 at the beginning of this year, and continues to climb. The chaos has led to the rise of Islamic State. Over 11 million Syrians have been forced out of their homes.

“We should have prevented this from happening because this is a self-made disaster, this flow of refugees to our countries in Europe,” Ahtisaari said. “I don’t see any other option but to take good care of these poor people … We are paying the bills we have caused ourselves.”

The Syrian carnage could have been stopped right then and there when the casualty count was about 7,500 people, give or take a few uncounted thousands, instead the P3 (US/UK/France) fed the war against Assad trusting a little further push will get him down. Wrong.

That was their second strategic mistake.

"The chaos has led to the rise of Islamic State," is a blatant lie the size of Syria. IS didn't rise out of chaos, it is a P3 creation with multiple strategic/tactical, short/medium/long term goals. Now that the cat is out of the bag (see Bolton quote above), we know IS/Qaeda's goal is the partition of Syria/Iraq and the creation of a Turkish/Israel protected "Sunnistan," a buffer zone against Syria/Iran/Lebanon-HA, the Axis of Resistance.

The table has turned with Russian presence in Syria, and now IS's bastard children of the West are biting the hand that fed them. Creating IS hoping they were to remain under Western control was a huge miscalculation by the P3.

That was their first strategic mistake.

"Know your enemy..." said old and wise Sun Tzu (the Chinese one.)

The rest of the article is the usual bullshit from Western "diplomats" (stooges), their "distrust" from Russia (can Russia deliver? sure they can, just don't stand in the way of the Kalibr missiles) hiding their misguided intentions, push Assad from power by hook or by crook.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 16 2016 16:33 utc | 136

#1 -They do it very "gentle" way already....

Posted by: sejmon | Jan 16 2016 16:37 utc | 137

@dh@133

@132 I guess you missed post #60. 223,000 battle-hardened Saudi warriors are on the way. They won't even need US backup.

I did miss it, thanks for pointing it out. I quickly scroll down comments by Wayoutwaste, reading them a waste of time, but this one was one of a kind. This guy (I assume he's a male) usually regurgitates hasbara drivel on us, but this post is symptomatic of a greater problem, what they call in medicine Delusional Disorder, a type of serious mental illness called a "psychosis" in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined.

PS: BTW, I was laughing so hard while reading his post, my better half came to check on me. Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jan 16 2016 16:48 utc | 138

DH@133

I see you are still having trouble comprehending the world outside of your basement. The Saudi Defense forces are quite large but their new, regional, multinational Joint Arab Force is what will be used to project their power by intervening in regional conflicts as we already are seeing in Yemen.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 16 2016 18:01 utc | 139

@137 Ah the old 'basement' joke. If you only knew.

Yes we see how successful they are in Yemen. Wait till they team up with Cameron's 70,000 strong FSA. They will have the ME under control in no time.

Posted by: dh | Jan 16 2016 18:14 utc | 140

UK Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said “We are not saying Assad and all his cronies have to go on day one,” Hammond said. “What I am not prepared to discuss is what I understand to be the Russian and Iranian position, that we need to move to elections in Syria and it will be for the Syrian people to decide in those elections whether Assad should remain as their president.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/09/isis-regime-change-uk-strikes-syria-philip-hammond Could there be anything more undemocratic than that statement? The man is a fool, Syria, Russia, Iran and Hez will have to finish the job in Syria without the hindrance of the 'West'.

Posted by: harry law | Jan 16 2016 18:33 utc | 141

@Lone Wolf

When one of your comments is stuck in the spam filter and doesn't appear immediately here IT DOES NOT HELP to repost it 14 times. It only fills up the spam queue and increases my work load. So stop it now.

Posted by: b | Jan 16 2016 18:44 utc | 142

@131 noirette

Thanks for the links. My favorite was Saudis Seek Chaos to Cover Terror Tracks by Finian Cunningham, mentioned in the notes to Ismael Hossein-zadeh's account.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2016 18:58 utc | 143

The refugee crisis is caused by the global plutocrats in order to cripple the EU social safety nets ala Shock Doctrine. A return to nationalism plays into the hands of private finance even more so because TINA to private finance yet world wide. The global plutocrats want a new set of strategic alliances to ward off pressure from Russia, China and their close friends for financial reform.

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Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 16 2016 20:54 utc | 144

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