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December 3, 2015
What Happens After ISIS Claims The San Bernadino Attack?

We may never know why Syed Rizwan Farook and his wife Tashfeen Malik went on a rampage and killed 14 people in San Bernadino. The pair may have left no note or electronic trace about their motives. But it makes perfect sense for the Islamic State to claim that the two acted in its name.

The details of their life make it somewhat plausible that the two were religiously influenced:

Syed Rizwan Farook was looking for a wife. On at least two online sites, he posted details for prospective brides. “Religious but modern” he apparently wrote on one. He made a point of noting his American citizenship in another.

How he ultimately made contact with Pakistan-born Tashfeen Malik remains unclear. But family members said Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia, where Malik was living, and returned to Southern California as a couple and began a life in quiet Redlands,

Wednesday morning, they dropped off their 6-month-old daughter with Farook’s mother, according to family members. Sometime around midday, police say they donned masks and armed themselves with assault rifles and handguns before storming a holiday party hosted by the county health agency where Farook worked. At least 14 people died. Hours later, 28-year-old Farook and 27-year-old Malik were dead by police gunfire just two miles from the massacre site.

The attackers imitated a military style attack with assault rifles, lots of ammunition and pipe bombs. The killers in Paris also preferred this style.

The bios of the shooters has the smell of sleeper agents. Recruited to live a normal life but to act later when the time is right and a ruthless attack within the U.S. is needed. Many original members of the Islamic State were trained intelligence people from Saddam Hussein's era. They know how to handle such an effort.

Even if the police finds that the reason for the San Bernadino attack was a personal issue the Islamic State could still claim that the attack was its act. Most people in the U.S. would rather believe IS than anything their government claims.

IS waited quite some time to announce its responsibility for bringing down the Russia airliner over Sinai. So we may get an announcement only in a week or two.

The IS folks believe that the end-times are near and they wants the big battle in Daqib, a town held by IS in Syria. As a Hadith says:

The Last Hour would not come until the Romans land at al-A’maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them).

The Islamic State is waiting for the Romans of our days, the U.S. and its NATO, to come to Daqib. It wants to suck the "west" in. It is sure that it can and will defeat it. What better to achieve this than to attack the U.S. at home?

But the game has two sides. If IS claims responsibility Obama may decide, just like GW Bush did, to use the attack for his own purpose. He would  claim that Assad must go to defeat the Islamic State and start to openly attack the Syrian people and their government.

There is only the small problem that Syria is now too well defended to be simply overrun:

A high-ranking officer within the joint operation room in Damascus (consisting of Russia, Iran, Syria and Hezbollah) said “Damascus received sets of S -300 advanced Russian missiles, ready to enter active service. Soon, Syria will announce that any country using the airspace without coordinating with Damascus will be viewed as hostile and will shoot the jet (s) without warning. Those willing to fight terrorism and coordinate with the military leadership will be granted safe corridors”.

In another development, according to the same source, “Iran is preparing two squadrons of Sukhoi to engage the war in Syria. These will be stationed at the T4 Syrian military airport in Homs, very close to Palmyra (Tadmur), previously known as Tiyas. The Iranian Air Force will join the Russian Air Force in their war against extremist terrorist Kafeeree in Syria”.

The Russian are said to increase the numbers of their jets in Syria to 96. Together with Iran's then 24 jets of the Su-24 type in Tiyas and the Syrian air force the fighter capability of that force is quite noteable. There are of course also the anti-air missiles on the ground. They airports are protected by Pantsyr S1 short range systems. There are TOR M1/M2 medium range anti-air missile systems. The Syrian S-300, the Russian S-400 in Latakia and the additional S-300s on board of the Moskva near the Syrian coast are long range systems and would an attack very costly. The U.S. tends to avoids attacking countries with competent air defense and Syria has by now an excellent one.

But what else could Obama do when IS claims the attack in San Bernadino? The pressure to "do something" and to escalate and escalate again will be immense. Every presidential candidate will demand that Obama sends an army division or two to destroy IS.

The way through Syria is closed. The Iraqis will not allow more U.S. troops on their ground. They reasonably believe that the U.S. is on the side of IS. Several Shia militia in Iraq have announced that they will attack any additional U.S. forces. Using the Kurdish areas in Iraq to attack IS would be very difficult as supplies would have to go through treacherous, blackmailing Turkey, which is secretly allied with IS, and pass through areas where the Turks and the Kurdish PKK are fighting each other. Going through Jordan and from there to Anbar province in Iraq would enrage the many IS followers in Jordan and destroy that state too.

Making peace with Assad, as even tea party candidate Ted Cruz now recommends, to then attack IS would be the logical way to go. But Obama and the people around him are too presumptuous to take such a step. They can not admit that they were wrong all along and that Assad and Putin were and are right.

So what will Obama do?

Comments

Any claim of responsibility by “ISIS” for the attack can be assumed to have come from their chief spokesperson and PR agent, Rita Katz of the SITE Intelligence Group. The San Bernadino event should be understood within the context of synthetic terrorism as a mechanism of persuasion, and the fact that CNN (see: ZNN) has been discussing the terrorist attack ad naseum while patently ignoring the fact that the Russians have provided more evidence of Turkish complicity in funding and supporting ISIS should tell everyone everything they need to know about what’s really going on, Obama included if he’s so inclined to wonder.

Posted by: Bruno Marz | Dec 3 2015 18:18 utc | 1

Looking through photos of the many mass shootings of late I have not seen one drop of blood. Odd.

Posted by: Linda Amick | Dec 3 2015 18:31 utc | 2

Sleeper agents will be used to justify further dismantling of Constitutional privacy protections and allow for further militarization of US cities. The plan for Syria now seems to be less of “Assad must go”, and more of a proposed ceasefire which will be used to partition the country.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 3 2015 18:32 utc | 3

more of the same will happen… armed forces shutting down a poisonous ideology doesn’t work.. the poisonous ideology continues.. i saw they shut down 3 mosques in france – that’s a small degree of success… one poisonous ideology to help further another poisonous ideology.. seems to be working..

Posted by: james | Dec 3 2015 18:36 utc | 4

“The goal of Daesh is to spread fear in the humanity, to disturb the psychology of the people. The explosion in France is exactly what they wanted. No one knows where they will attack next time.”
‘Islamic State is the dirt of Imperialism’

Posted by: nmb | Dec 3 2015 18:39 utc | 5

“So what will he do?”
The Israelis will come up with a plan for him.

Posted by: Edward | Dec 3 2015 18:43 utc | 6

Strangely enough, there was an active police drill in progress nearby.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/breaking-swat-team-drill-turns-real-mass-shooting-scenario-san-bernadino-ca/
The Americans sure do love using their play-book.

Posted by: Yonatan | Dec 3 2015 18:44 utc | 7

War will win.
Sixties were long ago.
Opposition is nowhere. The youth is brainwashed totally.
The well known Vietnam war protest song Fortunate Son by Creedence Clearwater Revival. Pictures are Iraq/Vietnam war and protest pictures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvwQmxLaknc
followed by (thank you YouTube/Google):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InRDF_0lfHk

Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 3 2015 18:44 utc | 8

I think the whole thing will be forgotten over the weekend whether IS claims responsibility or not.

The data from Mass Shooting Tracker tell the tale: America averages more than one mass shooting every single day.
In the first 334 days of 2015, America has seen 351 mass shootings, and counting.
2015 is on track to be the deadliest year in American history, having already beat 2014, and likely to zoom past 2013’s 363 mass shootings.

Posted by: Kraut | Dec 3 2015 18:44 utc | 9

We will definitely determine what really happened after the people behind the curtain decide what is in their best interest. Do they want more anti-Muslim feeling in order to justify more Middle-Eastern adventures, or more anti-gun stuff to control their local populations?
It could be that we are getting back a tiny bit of that “shock and awe” that we so generously gave to certain Middle-Eastern countries. But never let a tragedy go to waste; the curtain people will come up with a nice explanation or two – stay tuned.

Posted by: Peter B | Dec 3 2015 18:48 utc | 10

“There have been more mass shootings than days of the calendar”
http://www.mintpressnews.com/211787-2/211787/
Mass shootings are as American as apple pie. Why do some become ‘terrorist’ attacks rather than murders? Presumably to distract people, to divide and conquer, to justify more pre-meditated restrictions on freedom

Posted by: Yonatan | Dec 3 2015 18:49 utc | 11

The San Bernadino assault doesn’t fit the Daesh template as the place attacked was the male’s workplace and likely arose from an argument. But the fact that the couple had all that gear and pipe bombs at the ready does indicate a connection to terrorism. But with the Outlaw US Empire averaging one mass shooting event daily, the next event will replace this one in headlines.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 3 2015 18:52 utc | 12

Congressman Dana Rohrabacher ought to reconsider speaking truthfully about his understanding of terrorism or he’s likely to get the old Paul Wellstone treatment:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/us-lawmaker-sees-ample-evidence-turkeys-complicity-isiss-murderous-rampage

Posted by: Bruno Marz | Dec 3 2015 19:00 utc | 13

The Moonie convergence with the Far Right around Islamophobia moves forward.

Posted by: matt | Dec 3 2015 19:08 utc | 14

Who is Obama close to in his administration?
He seemed to have let Hillary run the Pentagon when she was at State. Who does he have left? Carter?? Ugh. Who are his confidants? He seems in a bubble, and not in control of intelligence agencies or military.

Posted by: shadyl | Dec 3 2015 19:10 utc | 15

The guy was an American citizen, advertized for a wife, flew to Saudi and picked one up and brought her back to the US. They are the ones shot up by the police after the fact. That seems to be the story, at any rate. I think the Saudis themselves are hands-on responsible for the Da’esh attacks outside Syriaq. Perhaps that’s why no tales will now be told by these two completely dead people. If Obama were serious … if anyone was serious about defeating Da’esh they would move the focus upstream from Syriaq to the KSA.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 3 2015 19:36 utc | 16

We will be installing a warrior king or queen in the White House next year. I’m glad I don’t have kids.
Bacevich nails it… But, alas, no one listens to Bacevich…

Posted by: chuckvw | Dec 3 2015 19:51 utc | 17

Wait, then how does the recent British vote figure into this? If the air defenses are so, wouldn’t they have to coordinate with Syria to go through with the campaign? Are they not still insisting Assad must go and refusing cooperation?
In the event of an airspace violation, is it likely Syria would follow through?

Posted by: plese | Dec 3 2015 20:05 utc | 18

Let’s see: Turkey (NATO Member) shoots down Russian jet. Turkey (NATO Member) smuggles oil/provides safe passage to ISIS and supplies affiliates. Iran/Iraq (Shia), Syria, Russia axis putting up all kinds of walls…now this event in CA. With NATO Article 5 in place…what a great way to draw the “Romans” into a fight with a Nuclear Armed Russia and its pals… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip anybody?

Posted by: PIR | Dec 3 2015 20:14 utc | 19

chuckw @ 17: Thanks for the Bacevich article, think he nailed it. An excerpt.
“Aside from long-shots Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul, any candidate likely to enter the Oval Office in January 2017 will be committed to some version of much-more war, including obviously Donald Trump, Marco (“clash of civilizations”) Rubio, and Hillary Clinton, who recently gave a hawkish speech at the Council on Foreign Relations on her version of war policy against the Islamic State. Given that stark reality, this is a perfect moment to explore what much-more war (call it, in fact, “World War IV”) might actually mean and how it might play out in our world.

Posted by: ben | Dec 3 2015 20:16 utc | 20

So what will Obama do? Talk.
Essentially nothing. Just like Camaroon. This attack in San Bernadino is ‘just one more’, as things go in the USA these days. Mass murders are a dime a dozen. True, these two advertized agents weren’t billed as gentle loners, but beyond their winces and the cloudy blue eyes of the media that be, nothing will happen. Late for work, again. Like climate change, everyone’s forgotten this mass murder already. This is the anthropocene. Won’t we all be surprised when ‘it’ happens.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 3 2015 20:24 utc | 21

#18 – The UK, as does all of NATO, ignores such things as “international law” while attacking Syria–but as long as they are at least ostensibly attacking Daesh, Russia and Syria are not going to act like Turkey and shoot them down even if they have the means to do so. Such an action would invite full scale conflict with NATO that neither Russia nor Syria wants. That’s not to say that such a conflict might ultimately arise, just that Russia is not going to instigate it. Putin and Russia let insane recklessness exclusively remain the preferred operating mode of the West.

Posted by: WorldBLee | Dec 3 2015 20:26 utc | 22

@17, @20 Here’s a link for Bacevich?

Posted by: jfl | Dec 3 2015 21:00 utc | 23

Bacevich seems to be coming down on the side of Obama’s “more of exactly what he’s already ordered”. The lessor of two evils ad infinitum.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 3 2015 21:19 utc | 24

The Bacevich essay is a bunch of HooHaw, with not one mention of the announced foreign and military policy of the Outlaw US Empire–Full Spectrum Dominance.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 3 2015 21:46 utc | 25

“What will Obama do ?”
What about “regime change” in Ankara ?

Posted by: Willy2 | Dec 3 2015 22:18 utc | 26

Is it possible to find out how long Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashleen Malik spent in Saudi Arabia? Did they do any travelling outside the KSA and if so, where did they go? Is it possible that they were hypnotised and primed to kill on receiving a signal? Or that their passport identities were stolen and the real couple’s whereabouts are unknown?
Could this attack be a false flag to be the first of many such false flags aimed at terrifying both Muslims and non-Muslims alike, with the eventual aim of rounding up particular groups of people and herding them into separate areas like concentration camps or reservations, both for their “protection” and to satisfy the public’s demands for security?

Posted by: Jen | Dec 3 2015 22:26 utc | 27

It doesn’t really matter what oblamblam says, or for that matter IS itself, the amerikan domestic arms industry who’re worried about keeping their puppets in line before the 2016 elections are already casting this attack in terms of an IS action.
Early reports talked of an argument at the xmas party, the sort of party dust-up that occurs in workplace parties across the planet this time of year but but in amerika can have people going postal with lethal consequences.
I imagine that Farouk copped quite a bit of stick over the years for ‘being a muslim’ and there’s nothing like xmas parties featuring idiots unused to getting totalled wasting themselves on free booze to bring mindless prejudice to the fore.
Farouk himself who wasn’t backwards about being forward about his adoption of the more fundamentalist aspects of his belief doubtless encouraged such reactions.
He coulda been self-righteously offended enough by drunkenness without abuse.
All that is by the by cos the latest ‘recaps’ of this weeks episode of “idjits with automatic weapons” no longer feature any reference to the party hi-jinks.
Instead that scene has been obscured by editors highlighting Farouk’s fundie belief sub-plot and his wife’s Saudi connection.
If amerikans can be persuaded that this was a terrorist action just as they were persuaded the Charleston church massacre was not (despite Oblamblams slow mealy mouthed fence sitting) then pressure will be off smith & wesson et al and rethug hawks will win the argument that amerika “needs to do something” after which Billary & Rump will have a field day in their bidding war to off the most unwhite foreigners.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 3 2015 22:46 utc | 28

you never know what you’ll find in the comment section. Some days some real jewels, others, odd bs conspiracies. The only thing the terrorist attack seems to have accomplished is more gun control rhetoric w/ little mention of the cache of ied’s this goober was working with.
B – I think that 90 mile stretch of turkey in which the oil was allegedly entering Turkey that also was the alleged “safe zone” the u.s. had proposed. I think that story is absolutely scathing and more attention should be turnt towards it.

Posted by: Au | Dec 3 2015 23:12 utc | 29

MBM @27: … the Washington “Hawks” are the ones that created & armed ISIS.
Yes. The question shouldn’t be:

What do we do about ISIS!?!?!?!

BUT:

>> Where did ISIS come from?
>> How did they grow so quickly?
>> Who is funding/supporting ISIS?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 3 2015 23:13 utc | 30

Au @ 31,
yep, some folks don’t know how to read news reports. and/or watching to much alex jones.
but yeah, the arsenal. as i read on some other blog – ‘thousands of rounds of ammo isn’t to unusual in the usa these days, but the pipe bombs aren’t normal gun nut accessory items’ they were obviously planning more mayhem, maybe the argument at the party made them jump the gun (sorry) a little.

Posted by: sillybill | Dec 3 2015 23:31 utc | 31

@MBM #27
Maybe you should have read through the whole thing before you posted that silly rant.
@Jackrabbit #32
How about all of the above? Just because we need to know how the fire started, how it spread so quickly, and who is pouring kerosene doesn’t mean we don’t need to know what to do about it.
It looks like Syed and little wifey Tashleen were in fact planning to do something much more major but Syed got off the program when he reacted to something at the party. But when you recruit nutballs for your cause, those things are bound to happen. No virgins for you, Syed.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Dec 3 2015 23:42 utc | 32

Laughable that the democrats are ceeding the sensible secukar, anti-war position to scumbags like Cruz. Are they trying to lose?

Posted by: Guest77 | Dec 3 2015 23:50 utc | 33

If Turkey really backed down in the face of a nuclear threat from Russia, that presumably means that Turkey appealed to NATO and NATO said “Sorry about that.”
Thus illustrating the worthlessness of NATO membership to Turkey.

Posted by: lysias | Dec 3 2015 23:52 utc | 34

Syed and his wife may have been instructed to conduct a mass killing somewhere in the U.S. Because of his resentments at his workplace, Syed may have decided his office’s Christmas party was the place to act. He went to the party earlier in the morning to case the joint, as it was not taking place at his normal workplace. In the meantime, he took the final opportunity he would have to tell his fellow workers what he really thought of them. Then he left, and came back with his wife and their weapons.
In view of the fact that Syed and his wife dropped off their daughter with a grandparent earlier in the morning before he went to the party for the first time and had already made their preparations for the mass shooting, I think my scenario is a good deal more likely than that something that happened at the party set Syed off.

Posted by: lysias | Dec 3 2015 23:56 utc | 35

Farook’s father was an alcoholic. That is likely to have been a prime factor in motivating him to turn to radical Islam.

Posted by: lysias | Dec 3 2015 23:58 utc | 36

@willy2 #28
If you cast your mind back to the early noughties, amerika indeed did attempt a colur revolution regime change in Turkey, but its success was highly improbable since most Turks were too happy about finally casting off the corrupt and oppressive ‘white turk’ regime to consider a reversion.
Instead shrub along with powell and then Rice decided to offer Turkey the same deal they offerred to england france and italy. Support corporate colonisation of your former colonies and we’ll give you a slice of the pie. You hafta play ball by allowing amerika access to your existing intelligence networks in the colonies and even military involvement when deemed necessary, but we will let you (nationally and personally) profit from the ‘new world order’. Erdogan jumped at the chance and Syria’s shared border with Turkey along with amerika and israel’s insistence on complete ME hegemony meant that erdogan’s deal was pretty damn good.
The big fly in the ointment has always been that unlike england and france, turkey had been pretty much assholed from their colonies for most of the 20th century and Russia had developed a colonial relationship with Syria.
If Russia had also been offered a deal they didn’t find it sufficiently appealing.
But really all of this is academic, without any contrarian voice in the mainstream media, there will never be sufficient alternative views available for fast & easy, widespread public consumption from those who oppose the current mindset.
I’m frustrated with this ‘finger in the dyke’ approach that resistance has been manipulated into performing.
Apart from the reality that we will lose a helluva lot more than we win, the continual “But whattabout blah blah… No!” spiels that reality demands is turning off more minds than it opens because we sound like perrennial whiners.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 4 2015 1:11 utc | 37

b isn’t making sense to me in this post at multiple levels, but I’ll try to narrow the focus.
Yes, Daesh might claim responsibility, but Obama wouldn’t find that to be an insurmountable problem. The FBI and NSA will have ample evidence for Obama to draw on and I doubt it will point to Daesh, which is only three years old as an operational entity and has an international network of “sleeper agents” only if one counts the covert agencies of Daesh’s state supporters, which Obama won’t do.
But yes, it is my hunch that there is an organized effort at some level to trigger mass hysteria here as in France, and whoever is orchestrating this is “deep” and highly competent. Not in Obama’s corner exactly; after all, his restrained kind of malevolence is satiated with Syria bleeding to death and Russia being stuck in his forecasted quagmire.
Something more sinister that Obama’s vision was at work in SB yesterday. And here b has it right: we may never know what.

Posted by: Laker | Dec 4 2015 1:19 utc | 38

@39 Debs is dead
Your “….because we sound like perennial whiners.” is my complimenting us all on our textual white noise.
I think that the American public is waking up, but not necessarily in ways that we would like. That said, it ain’t over till the fat lady sings and it is just beginning to get hot and heavy. While some of the trolls that comment here are definitely paid agnotology types, the rest are more honestly interacting and I support that. I remain hopeful that positive change can come out of the crazy we are starting to go through.
I enjoy the community and respect b’s contribution to society. I think there will be time to do things other than generate textual white noise and it should be quite clear when that time comes.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 4 2015 1:32 utc | 39

@40 Laker
I wonder why the woman was from Saudi Arabia like the 9/11 guys and the US never goes after the source of religious fundamentalism in the ME, outside of Israel? And of course the US is in bed with Israel.
Its all about the power and control being exercised by money. The Western world is ruled by private finance, owned by the global plutocrats. They are the masters behind the curtain playing countries off against each other while they cull our herd of threat for profit and further control. So far their culling has kept ahead of the threat but their global hegemony of finance is being questioned and their slaves are complaining about the faux austerity measures.
But again, back to the posting. What society is being cowed by are actions by extremists; the puppets and manipulated by the situation the global plutocrats foster and maintain. As long as folks act because of fear, they win and stay in control w/o question.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 4 2015 2:02 utc | 40


In the event of an airspace violation, is it likely Syria would follow through?
Posted by: plese | Dec 3, 2015 3:05:54 PM | 18

The threat hasn’t been issued yet because they’re not quite ready to enforce it. But if & when the threat is issued then they’ll have no choice but to follow through if they want to be taken seriously – which they do.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 4 2015 2:22 utc | 41

This looks like Nidal Hasan incident where the Army psychiatrist shot up fellow soldiers over their expressed hatred of Muslims.
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-nicholas-thalasinos-san-bernardino-shooting-victim-was-outspoken-messianic-jew-2210477
Workplace terrorism, or this is what could happen to a rabid hawk who gets into it with the wrong person who can’t keep disagreements to the verbal level.

Posted by: Les | Dec 4 2015 3:18 utc | 42

I agree with you. There is no way to understand this action logically except as the action of a “sleeper cell”. The FBI is already linked to the action because it monitored contacts on “social media” connected with the shooter”.
People do not take drastic actions out of thin air. Nor abandon their babies. There is much more to this story. But conveniently, the shooters were shot to death. It’s necessary in order to preserve the FBI story.

Posted by: Westcoast | Dec 4 2015 3:20 utc | 43

I sort of feel like the installation of the S-400 at Latakia, the Moskva prowling offshore with 64 S-300 missiles and multiple other layers of both defensive and offensive brutality, the Pantsir S-2’s, the TOR-M2’s, the T-90’s, the 12, or is it 16 Su-30SM’s, the nearly 24 Su-34’2, the 24 Su-25’s, and the 23 [RIP 1 due to Turkish ambush] Su-24’s, and all those Russian soldiers and Marines that both Putin and Mother Russia have loudly and clearly “issued the threat” that announced that this is their motherfucking space and they full well fucking dare you to set fucking foot in it ’cause they’ll rip your motherfucking head off if you do.
Ball’s in your court, you fascist fucking lying wannabe tyrant pussy motherfuckers. Putin is going to take your fucking heads off and erase your progeny from the planet. You fucked with the wrong guy this time.

Posted by: Information_Agent | Dec 4 2015 3:35 utc | 44

America is gripped by the sickness of greed and avarice. Ayn Rand would be so proud.
Until the pursuit of profits becomes servile to the welfare of the people, nothing can, or will change. Not domestic, nor foreign policy. We’re in for a bumpy ride.

Posted by: ben | Dec 4 2015 4:41 utc | 45

So when did we last hear of a country openly declaring war upon an individual?
O yes. We did that to binladen; so this is not at all unprecedented….
What does it mean for a country to war upon an individual?
This is not a new development.

Posted by: New | Dec 4 2015 4:45 utc | 46

So Russia invites everybody in, and Syria kicks them out. Maybe even ground troops too. It’s the only chance to keep them from occupying Eastern Syria as it’s freed from Daesh. But is Iraq fully on-board with keeping a unitary Iraq? Don’t seem to have done anything when the Iraqi Kurds enlarged their area. Iraqi army said the reason Mosul fell so easily is that it was betrayed by its highest officers, who were paid off. Now it’s not clear that the head of Iraq which US put in place is fully committed. Hmm

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 4 2015 6:20 utc | 47

rotten america that has appointed a homoqueer maniac muslime ho as its president, has been cursed by God for betraying his goodness. the homofag alias obama will import muslime monsters to exterminare the foolish ingrates that appointed him.

Posted by: turds-of-obama | Dec 4 2015 7:13 utc | 48

Linda Amick @2
Yonatan @ 7
West coast @ 45
You know that whenever these events are engineered or are a hoax there is always FBI on the scene to sort of coordinate the “investigation”, right? And there is always a drill. Well this link is funny cuz the Chief doesn’t know to SHUT UP about the drill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9yy15qdPWU At LAX shooting The Police Chief giving the press conference says, entirely innocently, “We practiced this 3 weeks ago & we practiced the EXACT scenario.” Asst Dir LA Dept FBI David Bowditch is standing right behind him. And the FBI guy REACTS to what he says– it’s HILARIOUS. To move on to the San Bernardino shooting, same FBI Asst Dir is standing behind police press conference again. This time, only written reports disclose that there was a “nearby drill which allowed the police to respond quickly to the shooting.”
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/breaking-swat-team-drill-turns-real-mass-shooting-scenario-san-bernadino-ca/According to KTLA, police have warned people not to talk to the media. At one point during the KTLA live stream, the reporter attempted to interview a witness and multiple officers rushed up and pushed the reporters and the witnesses apart. Below is a screen grab from the live stream showing confrontation. [Just like w the Paris Theatre, reporters weren’t allowed to speak w people who came out.] What makes this noteworthy is that this is not the first time that emergency drills for the exact scenario unfolding were taking place at virtually the same moment the actual terrorist attacks began.”
[Another oddity: At this facility there is a monthly police drill. It’s reported that the party was of govt officials, and there is a twitter from the party which is shown in this story, but it’s dated 12/1. The “incident” took place on 12/2. Sometimes in an engineered or hoax event the drill takes place one day, then it goes “live” the next. Alternatively, there could simply have been a mistake about who the party-goers were or it was a 2-day conference/party. ??]
More on San Bernardino. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KkNnZ8SbfU Redsilver

Linda, I don’t want to mess up this thread with the Paris attacks. If you are interested, please see my post on MoA 11/18 Physicians for Human Rights, Comment 19.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 4 2015 10:06 utc | 49

@ 49 Penelope
Since about a week I am more open to Hoaxes.
Since I read papers on the Tate (fake) murders and the Kennedy(fake) murder.
http://mileswmathis.com/tate.pdf
http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf
But in these days things are easy to verify?
As with Paris, here are names.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shootings-victims/
And those persons leave trails on the internet, before and after the shooting.
I don’t know.

Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 4 2015 13:26 utc | 50

Barry is done. Lame duck. Nobody cares what he thinks anymore. Cruz backing Assad? no way he is in a fight with Rubio for the Adelson money and there is no way old Sheldon and /or his wife are going to hand out money to promote an enemy of their vision of Isreal.

Posted by: heath | Dec 4 2015 13:42 utc | 51

Don’t know what Obama is doing or will do, but seems like ISIS is quoting the US when beheading its victims…
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/isis-beheads-alleged-russian-spy/ri11629
I am shocked, and not surprised at all in the same time…

Posted by: Anna Harvard | Dec 4 2015 15:31 utc | 52

Whether or not ISIS claims credit for this mass killing, the act itself is accomplishing some objectives that several differing political groups will be happy with.
1) It’s already begun in the area around San Bernardino: Anyone identifiable as Musl11/2001.im is being treated to shouts and insults. Next up? Shootings and beatings?
It’s chilling to recall how many Sikhs and others who “looked Muslim” were either killed or beaten badly after 9/
Groups which want to divide and conquer will be satisfied with this. Ann Coulter, for one.
2) The War Mongers will be hugely gratified with an attack by identifiable Muslims on innocent people. Racists and anti-immigrant groups will view the killing of so many immigrants, especially those who had been doing well in the US, as a coup.
3) The NRA and its political minions are relishing the opportunity to tell people to Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid, and tell them that gun totin’ is their only way to live safely.
Ohio just passed legislation to make it legal to carry guns into preschools and other schools….
4) McCain and his Bomb-Bomb-Bomb-Bomb followers will be ecstatic at the chance to try to get full blown war going once again, with US troops on the ground.
I’m sure there are more who see this as an opportunity.
Sometimes Who Benefits is pretty clear; with this awful incident there are way too many.

Posted by: jawbone | Dec 4 2015 15:48 utc | 53

Penelope @49
Other attacks when drills were going on – Boston, Sandy Hook, London bus bombing, Australia cafe, France Betaclan. The perpetrators either end up dead or more rarely disappear without trace, in spite of being under surveillance by national security.
The NSAdata collection system would be a perfect way to detect potential ‘terrorists’ ready to be made into patsies after insider shooters carry out the murders.

Posted by: Yonatan | Dec 4 2015 16:11 utc | 54

The NRA and its political minions are relishing the opportunity to tell people to Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid, and tell them that gun totin’ is their only way to live safely.

Some level of fear or concern, coupled with preparation, seems totally appropriate, regardless of whether the attackers is just crazy/psychopathic or part of a plan orchestrated by others.
The attackers consistently target disarmed victim zones. Almost any shooting of innocents would be stopped with less carnage if just ONE of the would-be victims or bystanders were properly armed and trained. Instead, authorities are training the next generation from a very young age to duck and cover … almost literally to just lie down like a sheep and prepare to die. This is appropriate for the very young. But for anyone old enough to make a difference, not so much. At some point, a duty kicks in to grow a pair. That duty does not fall only to the SECOND responders, but to the real FIRST responders — those who are right there when the shooting starts. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Posted by: ResearchGuy | Dec 4 2015 16:19 utc | 55

Ass Carter says he will open the military for women in every field,including combat.
We lost.Good.
Trump tells RJC you’ll have to make sacrifices!I don’t need your money!He’ll settle the Palestinian Israeli conflict in 6 months.
48;Maybe,one day,you will wake up,and realize all current probs in the ME stem from the Israeli insertion,and the Wests total fealty to it,at the expense of the inhabitants,Muslims.Blowback is just that.
And all those planes flying around;Bound to be an incident.
And the windsurfer says;Assad must go if we want to defeat IsUS.
We are the world jokers.But nobody is laughing,except maybe the Zionists.

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 4 2015 16:19 utc | 56

“whether the attackers is” should of course be “whether the attackers are”. I see no Edit button after posting.

Posted by: ResearchGuy | Dec 4 2015 16:20 utc | 57

Posted by: jawbone | Dec 4, 2015 10:48:57 AM | 53
ISIS does not claim credit – the US police are for ISIS. And she is from Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 4 2015 16:35 utc | 58

I saw this on the Citizens for Legitimate Government website.
http://www.legitgov.org/VVC-Alerts-Public-Upcoming-Active-Shooter-Training

Posted by: Linda Amick | Dec 4 2015 19:12 utc | 59

This site keeps track of mass shootings in the US.
http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015
or see quoted above at 9, Kraut, another tracker,
http://boingboing.net/2015/12/02/in-the-334-days-of-2015-ameri.html
Only some of them attract attention, mostly those that can be seen to be linked to islam.
Or occasionally, some other ideology, like Robert Dear (shooting at Planned Parenthood, see the Repubs who voted to de-fund PP just now), attack that is not labelled baptist or evangelical terrorism, but nevertheless taken up by the media, as it relates to an ‘issue’ – abortion – that anyone can take a position on.
The Guardian – amongst others – keeps track of police killings in the US.
http://tinyurl.com/pktqu8k
Analysts and ‘pop’ commentary report that in the US vehicle, road deaths, and gun deaths are now equivalent, or gun deaths even higher.
One ex. from the Atlanctic:
http://tinyurl.com/mmbbbbe

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 4 2015 19:23 utc | 60

Sanberdino was a hoax.fake.

Posted by: alex | Dec 4 2015 19:26 utc | 61

Here’s the earliest footage of SB, now scrubbed because it’s so unconvincing. http://winteractionables.com/?p=28206
Reminder on definitions:
Hoax: a non-event; did not occur; no one hurt except possibly the patsy.
To be blamed and executed for a non-event!
False Flag: an actual event, blamed on the wrong country.
Engineered Event: an actual event in which the authorities are aware
but permit it, or are participants. (9-11)

When Boston Bombing chase for the perps was on I happened to be on BeforeItsNews & an MSM cameraman had filmed the arrest of the older brother. Vid showed him stripped naked, being pushed into a cop car.
I believe they said cameraman was CNN, but I’m not sure. Reports, later scrubbed, said he’d been stripped in case he had a bomb. He was unharmed, later turned up dead “run over by younger brother during
escape” (patsy for a non-event)
Boston Bombing was a hoax: If you spend half an hour examining these sequential photos of actors taken from office above staging area you will know it. Two do not lie down till camera is ready for them, one of which then “becomes dead”.
http://deepinsidetherabbithole.com/The_Boston_Bombing_Hoax.html http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 4 2015 19:33 utc | 62

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345744/San-Bernardino-gunman-s-family-lawyer-says-don-t-believe-official-account-massacre.html
‘It doesn’t seem plausible to us’: Family of US Muslim who killed 14 says they don’t believe official account of the massacre and even suggest the Sandy Hook slaying didn’t take place
Attorney David Chesley is acting for family of Syed Farook
Farook, 28, and wife Tashfeen Malik, 27, killed 14 at holiday party in San Bernardino on Wednesday at Inland Regional Center
Chesley: ‘There were a lot of questions drawn with Sandy Hook and whether or not that was a real incident or not’
In Sandy Hook shootings, 20 children and six teachers were killed by Adam Lanza, 20, in Newtown, Connecticut in December 2012
Chesley: ‘It doesn’t seem plausible to us that this petite woman [Malik] would be involved in this sort of hyper-caricatured, Bonnie-and-Clyde crazy scenario’
ByBen Ashford In San Bernardino For Dailymail.comand Nick Enoch for MailOnline
Published: 05:31 EST, 4 December 2015
Penelope: It can never go to court, with subpoena powers. Serious money will be
dropped on these people.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 4 2015 20:06 utc | 63

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345744/San-Bernardino-gunman-s-family-lawyer-says-don-t-believe-official-account-massacre.html
‘It doesn’t seem plausible to us’: Family of US Muslim who killed 14 says they don’t believe official account of the massacre and even suggest the Sandy Hook slaying didn’t take place
Attorney David Chesley is acting for family of Syed Farook
Farook, 28, and wife Tashfeen Malik, 27, killed 14 at holiday party in San Bernardino on Wednesday at Inland Regional Center
Chesley: ‘There were a lot of questions drawn with Sandy Hook and whether or not that was a real incident or not’
In Sandy Hook shootings, 20 children and six teachers were killed by Adam Lanza, 20, in Newtown, Connecticut in December 2012
Chesley: ‘It doesn’t seem plausible to us that this petite woman [Malik] would be involved in this sort of hyper-caricatured, Bonnie-and-Clyde crazy scenario’
ByBen Ashford In San Bernardino For Dailymail.comand Nick Enoch for MailOnline
Published: 05:31 EST, 4 December 2015
Penelope: It can never go to court, with subpoena powers. Serious money will be
dropped on these people.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 4 2015 20:12 utc | 64

@psychohistorian #39 your inference that my remarks were critical of b’s blog, is my pointing out that we have to do more with the information we gather here and there, than comment on it.
Changes don’t occur by waiting for the proper time, they occur when we make the time right – all of us.
The point of my post wasn’t to ping at anyone it was to comment on the need for all of us to think outside the square to develop communication vectors that actually reach people who don’t share our views and in doing so provoke their thinking.
Obviously nascent ideas of how we could go about that aren’t suitable for public discussion in a blog – they need to be confined to RL friends n acquaintances in face to face communications, but that shouldn’t stop anyone from ruminating on the problem.
There is a tendency for us to see the operators in the front end of the media as either mercenary hypocrites or complaisant derps, but the reality is more complex than that. Media types in the main, have been captured by the same bullshit that they are peddling. This is largely because of the complex web of social and professional relationships that develop throughout their careers in an ‘us Vs them’ environment such as media operations are.
If we can’t convert them we need to bypass them and speak to diverse groups directly. In doing that the media operators, as they always do, will eventually follow along, but waiting for ‘something’ to happen won’t do anything except make the job more difficult and less likely to succeed.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 4 2015 23:32 utc | 65

@65 Debs is dead,
No slight intended. I was speaking more of the act but stay apart from action concept.
I see the media a bit harsher than you. I see the media as an active tool of the global plutocrats who own them. Their job is to create and bend “reality” to fit the never look at the players behind the screen metaphor the Western world house of cards is built on.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2015 1:24 utc | 66

@psychohistorian #66 I understand why you see the media the way you do, but I have a close family member who as been a network TV journo for most of her/his life. There was a time when she/he routinely covered invasions occupations abductions – all the detritus of imperialism which the media gushes its bullshit over.
Stories from the occupied west bank were routinely critical of the Zionist invader and amerikan bombing in gulf war 1 especially the ‘highway of death’ was very critical of such slaughter being dismissed as ‘collateral damage’.
Then after 911 journos all over the world had their reality twisted and bent into points of view they would have previously abhorred. I can engage with my relation about how friends/colleagues the western journos based on the Gaza strip were abducted by smuggling gangs at the behest of shin beth and get agreement – both hamas and the plo were mortified when that occurred, yet the belief that terrorism is a convenient western construct gets no reaction at all. If I go too deeply into any of that sort of truth I am considered to be in the tin foil hat brigade. It has become essential at family gatherings to avoid any subject that involves what for better words is known to many as ‘the neo-liberal media agenda’.
It is too shallow to describe the reaction as being the result of job insecurity caused by the shrinkage of ‘traditional media’ – that may be part of it but successful voices in the msm believe what they are saying they have become indoctrinated and the indoctrination has been instilled using a wide range of social tools as well as economic incentives.
Anyway gotta go but I do believe that successfully changing mind sets requires more than confrontation and denigration.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 5 2015 3:14 utc | 67

Media…. I too know ppl in that environment.
Psychohistorian is in the US, and thus emphasises the aspect of chain of control (ownership, the attendant hierarchy, domination), and liberal economic considerations (money, loss of viewers/readership, leading to polarisation, though he doesn’t use that word or reasoning.) Debs is dead sees more social factors at work, notably ‘group-think’, ‘us vs them’, social control thru different mechanisms.
What is missing from both accounts is the role played by the big news-gatherer conglomerates, such as Reuters, and opaque org, and the absolutely dreadful Agence France Presse. Whose ‘fact’ are just accepted by the MSM. I have nothing informed or smart to say about that.
My personal obs, journos, Media types, are of course seduced by money and prestige; their adherence actually rests on the power (opinion shaping) that is on offer. That is a self-reinforcing mechanism, a positive feed-back loop which leads to more acute madness, such as lies and fraud, meaning any opinion will do, as long as it is the ‘in’ one of the day, week or month.
The barrier to entry in terms of subservience and follow the leader -not appropriate qualifications- is high. Questioners / dissidents are not let in or eliminated swiftly if they ‘pretend.’
The fourth estate has become a ‘global’ (West) corporate entity defending its own interests (such as an army, IS, or some fast food industry) – just another purveyor of some goods, immaterial ones: facts, opinions, stances, political orientation, propaganda, emotional shock, etc. etc. In this way they become less respected and influential, which increases their screeching, alarmism, dirty tricks, posturing, and more.
Who the masters and the followers be is a murky swamp, it is a symbiotic relationship (Gvmt – media), jerky and not well coordinated, though neither party can admit cracks or troubles, as the deal is set in stone. For now.

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 5 2015 16:18 utc | 68

@68 N ‘… a ‘global’ (West) corporate entity defending its own interests …’
Ain’t it the truth … in very many ways, the media is just one more … whore. Is the ‘West’ qualifier really required? And that insight makes the people who populate the TNCs … the voluntary slaves of whores? It is tough to understand anything when your livelihood depends on your not understanding it. Our common human plight, isn’t it? That, or retreat to the desert. Or rearrage our attitude toward human organization of any and all sorts, our boon and our bane, at one and the same time. Jekyll and Hyde … take google, for instance. The scale of the TNCs has lifted our present desolation to match. Everything depends on getting things back down to our human scale.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 5 2015 23:14 utc | 69

Seems unlikely this was anything other than a dude going postal. ISIS or even a false flag would presumably attack a shopping mall. An equally easy target, but a more effective one, that would make us scared to go the mall, could be seen as an attack on “Christians” and the “American People” ISIS can say, these people were kindred souls, but if ISIS want’s to attack welfare agencies, It’s hard to understand the advantage

Posted by: scottindallas | Dec 6 2015 15:40 utc | 70