NYT Burned Again By Granting Anonymity To "Officials"
NYT, Dec 12 2015: U.S. Visa Process Missed San Bernardino Wife’s Zealotry on Social Media
WASHINGTON — Tashfeen Malik, who with her husband carried out the massacre in San Bernardino, Calif., passed three background checks by American immigration officials as she moved to the United States from Pakistan. None uncovered what Ms. Malik had made little effort to hide — that she talked openly on social media about her views on violent jihad.She said she supported it. And she said she wanted to be a part of it.
American law enforcement officials said they recently discovered those old — and previously unreported — postings as they pieced together the lives of Ms. Malik and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, trying to understand how they pulled off the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil since Sept. 11, 2001.
Reuters, Dec 16, 2015: FBI director: San Bernardino shooters never expressed public support for jihad on social media
FBI Director James Comey said on Wednesday that there remains no evidence the couple who massacred 14 people in San Bernardino, California, on December 2 were part of an organized cell or had any contact with overseas militant groups.Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 29, expressed support for "jihad and martyrdom" in private communications but never did so on social media, Comey said at a press conference in New York City.
The false NYT report was used by various interested politicians and bureaucrats to demand a stop to U.S. immigration, stricter visa vetting, back-doors to communications, giving social media sides some sort of police function and so on. The same happened when at first false reports emerged that the attackers in Paris had used encryption to communicate with each other. They actually used open SMS messages.
The NYT needs to publish how the false report found its way into the paper. Did it not crosscheck its sources?
It needs to burn the "American law enforcement officials" who gave it the false information by publishing their names and motives.
Without doing that its its readership will have to classify any other NYT report based on unnamed "officials" - just like some bloggers already do - as likely false.
Posted by b on December 16, 2015 at 18:35 UTC | Permalink
The false NYT report was used by various interested politicians and bureaucrats to demand a stop to U.S. immigration, stricter visa vetting, back-doors to communications, giving social media sides some sort of police function and so on.
Feeding Trump hatemongering, and the anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim climate of fear typical of every US campaign, exacerbated to the max in the current one, about to become one of the main issues for both parties. The NYT and its not-so subliminal feeding of whatever political trend dominates the landscape. A real disgrace of a newspaper.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 16 2015 18:54 utc | 2
nyt - propaganda outlet no matter how you slice it b... the big difference is the air of authority that history has given it.. it isn't warranted.. in fact it has become nothing more then an outlet for gov't propaganda.. it and the wapo and wsj.. sad reality, but that is how i see it..
Posted by: james | Dec 16 2015 19:02 utc | 3
A bit of speculation on my part, nevertheless ...
○ San Bernardino Terror Link to Tatars by Marriage – the Gigliotti or Chernykh Sisters
Nadra records prove Tashfeen Malik's CNIC is not fakeThe copy of the Computerised National Identity Card (CNIC) of Tashfeen Malik, which surfaced in international publications and local social media, has been found to be authentic, according to the National Database and Registration Authority (Nadra) verification service.
This whole event supposedly started because of an argument. After the argument, they went away and came back and started shooting, military style, with burst of three shots at a time.
Witness interviewed on CBS said the shooter where three tall athletic build, white Men. The woman is around 90lb and confused with a tall athletic male. And on top of that the allowing of presstitutes rummage the VICTIMS apartments.
More than one person has spoken about three MEN!!! The THIRD MAN. On top of that, the family lawyer said that the bodies were handcuffed in the back seat of the car. The couple were found handcuffed, laying face down shot up in the back of a truck.
Divide and conquer, they want you to fear every Muslim. I mean the FBI has been using entrapment on mentally ill, disadvantage Muslims for a long time.
Poor couple got killed to keep this war on terror. They are nothing but pasties. Here's to WWIII.
Posted by: Sam.D (AntiNWO) | Dec 16 2015 19:58 utc | 6
NYT is a propaganda rag and little more (entertainment, perhaps). The NYT beat the drums for the destruction of Iraq. NYT was directly influenced by Cheney and his henchman Scooter Libby whereby they stovepiped information to push for war. Their favorite go-to reporter (stenographer, really) was Judith Miller. Miller went to jail and was falsely promoted as a first amendment hero for having gone to jail. NYT is rotten through and through.
Posted by: fast freddy | Dec 16 2015 20:16 utc | 7
She posted it privately. The FBI seems to be covering its behind in the second article.
The title for the second article is contradicted within the body:
Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 29, expressed support for "jihad and martyrdom" in private communications but never did so publicly on social media, Comey said at a news conference in New York City.
Posted by: Les | Dec 16 2015 20:22 utc | 8
Sam D, the couple were only alledgedly killed; we no longer know if anything they tell us is true. On the video of the news helicopter that covered the contact between the SUV & the cops, we are told that the "gun battle" began when the couple opened fire at the police. However at the end of the action we can see that the blown out windows are rolled up. Did the occupants fire thru them?
I notice that it was mainstream media (ABC) that carried the story of the two witnesses who said there were 3 tall male shooters. But MSM always parrots the official line, so why did they diverge? To involve us in debating whether it was 3 males or a couple? And therefore to confirm in our minds that there were shooters?
The argument? No, they now say there was no argument, but the two were there earlier to evaluate whether the party was a sufficiently "soft" target. I'm not kidding; that's what they changed the story to.
Best footage is here http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/12/13/the-san-bernardino-shooting-what-really-happened-behind-the-scenes/
Not that it does us any good.
Posted by: Penelope | Dec 16 2015 20:24 utc | 9
Marcy Wheeler delved into the weeds of the Social Media claims and the Visa chicanery...
USAF is pulling out F15C fighters from Incirlik airbase. This is significant because the F15C was the only USAF aircraft in the theatre that could potentially fight Russian SU 30s. The Turks are on their own now if another fight breaks out with the Russians. http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/12/16/12-usaf-f-15-fighters-returning-raf-lakenheath-turkey/77419528/
Posted by: james halfpenny | Dec 16 2015 22:49 utc | 11
In other news America has called on Turkey to withdraw unauthorised troops from Iraq.
http://bigstory.ap.org/c239a9097c6342099f09ead384b694f7
Posted by: james halfpenny | Dec 16 2015 22:56 utc | 12
@Sam #4
Posting that sort of discredited conspiracy theory nonsense adds nothing to the discussion.
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It seems that if Donald Chump and Hillary got their wish and got Jihadis off of social media we'd be losing a valuable source of intel.
Posted by: Thirdeye | Dec 16 2015 23:48 utc | 13
Congress Drops All Pretense: Quietly Turns CISA Into A Full On Surveillance Bill
Not only is Congress looking to include it in the end of year omnibus bill -- basically a "must pass" bill -- to make sure it gets passed, but it's clearly dropping all pretense that CISA isn't about surveillance. Here's what we're hearing from people involved in the latest negotiations. The latest version of CISA that they're looking to put into the omnibus:- Removes the prohibition on information being shared with the NSA
- Directly removes the restrictions on using this information for "surveillance" activities
- Removes limitations that government can only use this information for cybersecurity purposes
- Removes the requirement to "scrub" personal information unrelated to a cybersecurity threat before sharing that information[I]n this mad dash to get it shoved through, they've dropped all pretense and have stripped every last privacy protection, expanded the scope of the bill, and made it quite clear that it's a very broad surveillance bill that can be widely used and abused by all parts of the government.
Google, and Facebook were mum on this one. It's said that Google lawyers helped write/wrote it. It's about privatizing the NSA, harnessing google/facebook tracking/cracking expertise and their dossiers on everyone of us for Big Brother.
Yeah, the NSA is evil. But you cannot touch the TNCs for pure, unadulterated evil.
Posted by: jfl | Dec 17 2015 0:19 utc | 14
Vice indicates that the so-called "pledge of allegiance" is still being investigated ...
vice: FBI Says San Bernardino Suspects Did Not Pledge to Wage Jihad on Social Media.
A report first appeared on CNN and later circulated elsewhere citing unnamed US officials who said that Malik had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State using a Facebook account that was registered under a different name. The sources did not say how they knew for certain that Malik made the post.A Facebook spokesperson confirmed that the post was made around the time of the mass shooting. A source close to the investigation told Wired that the pledge was posted at 11:15am on Wednesday, just minutes after the first shots were fired, on an account belonging to Larki Zaat — a name that was presumed to be an alias of Malik.
Comments made by David Bowdich, the assistant director of the FBI's Los Angeles office, following the attack appeared to lend credence to this account.
"I know it was in a general timeline where that post was made, and yes, there was a pledge of allegiance," Bowdich told a news conference on December, though it was uncertain whether the comments were posted by Malik herself or someone else who had access to the Facebook account.
US government sources said that Malik and Farook might have been inspired by IS, but noted that there was no evidence the attack was directed by the militant group or that the organization even knew who they were. The party the couple attacked was for workers with the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health, which also employed Farook. The two died hours later in a shootout with police.
Laura Eimiller, a spokeswoman with the FBI's Los Angeles office, told VICE News on Wednesday that she believed Comey's comments about social media referred to "the time period before the shooting, and describing how direct private messages between the subjects would not have been apparent to a wider audience."
"The reported Facebook post on day of shooting remains under investigation," Eimiller said.
For "professionals" these official spokepeople seem very sloppy ... undermining their credibility ... this new announcement does seem directed at refuting the impression left by the NYT that Hansel and Gretel left lots of crumbs ....
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Dec 17 2015 1:17 utc | 15
What ever we in the new Amerika and citizens in the world lose more rights. The budgets to so-called control the madness created by the masters is new and improved $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and nothing for Amerikas citizens. Then sadly I'm only thinking about my fellows here while the world feels Amerikas we are here to help:(
Posted by: jo6pac | Dec 17 2015 1:44 utc | 16
It was made through a social media platform, and as such, the government has programs to extract such postings. Her Facebook page had strict privacy controls and the messages were seen by a small group.
The other information that came out was that she attempted to contact known extremists but they didn't respond, either because they didn't trust her or trust the way in which her Faecbook page was controlled. They'd have to ask her for access rights which could give away their identity and location.
Posted by: Les | Dec 17 2015 1:51 utc | 17
VP Joe Biden calls on Turkey to withdraw its troops from Iraq
Posted by: Les | Dec 17 2015 1:53 utc | 18
Russia got some amazing assurances from Kerry. I wonder what on earth transpired..
I hope 2016 will finally start the path of peace in the region, with Obama conceding to Russia's play, and toning back much of the aggressive foreign policy in the final year
Posted by: bbbb | Dec 17 2015 2:15 utc | 19
@Thirdeye #11
And for others its a conspiracy theory that the USA is behind ISIS, in reality the USA really cares about the Syrians and wishes to spread democracy and love to the world.
We all have different views and the validity of a government and intelligence establishments that have a history of lying, murdering, false flags and bringing misery across the global holds little water for me. Simply put, they are liars and not to be trusted. I do not trust psychopaths, you are free to trust whomever pleases you.
Had you looked at the links you would have listened to eye witnesses talking about three men. Multiple media stations mentioned three suspects. This isn't a conspiracy its a fact that some witnesses stated this. Are they wrong? Well no one knows because they are not really investigating their claim.
I am sorry but the idea that a slight woman, weighing around 90lb can wear a vest, use an assault rifle and tweet at the same time sounds BS to me. A couple with an infant, no less. And why would they try to escape in a car? Did they think they could get away? Why not finish the job and continue killing and wait for a shoot out with the police from the safety of a building. I call the whole event bullshit. And to top it off, they are allegedly did this on behalf of a group that the USA trains, defends and drops air weapons to.
So I do not trust the media or the establishment. When you have eye witnesses and the alleged attackers lawyer talking about how they were found, to say it sounds suspicious is an understatement. It demonises the Muslims and allows the government bring up gun control again.
Posted by: Sam.D (AntiNWO) | Dec 17 2015 2:44 utc | 21
Glad you're feeling better b.
Most"Journalists" in the US today, just "go along, to get along", they don't vet a story given to them by folks in authority. If they do, they might not have a job tomorrow. It's ALL about the $ in media. Entertainment makes $ for the networks, not real information about what's really going on in the world today. MSM today isn't about reality. Living in America today is like living in "Fantasy" land.
Posted by: ben | Dec 17 2015 3:05 utc | 22
Pursuing the truth, can get you canned. Case in point below:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=15299
Posted by: ben | Dec 17 2015 3:11 utc | 23
Islamic State in Iraq looks like the old insurgency (informative story without the caliphate and other sensationalist nonsense)
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nation-and-world/how-saddam-husseins-men-help-the-islamic-state
My take is the two ISIS are mostly different, but have a common goal of a self-sustaining Sunni state.
Iraq IS - former Sunni insurgents and Baathist party members
Syria IS - CIA mercenaries and embedded foreign special forces
Posted by: Les | Dec 17 2015 3:25 utc | 24
Stupidest thing Ive read by the western media of the year!
Putin's Unusual Walk Shaped by KGB
http://news.discovery.com/human/putins-unusual-walk-shaped-by-kgb-151215.htm
Posted by: Seder | Dec 17 2015 9:12 utc | 25
b
Who is really true and who false? Did you look up her alleged posts on Facebook to confirm it? That's basic journalism 101.
So you are an unwitting re-spammer of the Given Wisdom, that all Muslims are sleeper cells, and The Chosen are just 'doing G-d's Work', by $pying on all your online bank transactions.
Do you think FB accounts are unhackable? Do you think posts can't be pre-dated? We all know FB is a fraud, that their 'subscription' rate growth is entirely because they gatekeep comments in all the blogs, everywhere from Zeitbart to RT even Al Jazeera, you first have to register with FB to comment, anywhere but here at MoA. Pure fraud zombie account actuals.
And the other half of FB fake 'subscription sites' are being generated by robots. We know FB is a CIA-Mossad humint sweeper, and that they are the ones generating 'chatter' reports for the FBI and NSA, from lots and lots of crazed FB commenters and zio-robo-posters making FB a real Big Brother for our times.
Say you need an event to commemorate the expiration of NSAs license to spy on everyone in USA? Throw a false-flag FB party! Oh, they would never do that, why, Mark wouldn't hurt a fly!
Speaking of Zio-humint sweepers, Uncle Ari has broken the $-code for how to 'make every Western civilization woman an instant millionaire" from his hideout in Hebron, and is sweeping up PII and bank account numbers by the Ms, which any 3rd-grade hacker can combine with your FB posts to loot your account as soon as their 1st ponzi 'winnings' deposit is accepted by you.
'CLICK HERE!' is the Big Red Button of our 21st Century Final ZioApocalypse, and all the audit trails lead back to Hebron. Were Farook-Malik 'turrurists', gunned down on their way BACK to Berdoo for a secound round of attacks, leaving pipebmobs they never made behind as 'evidence' on the very eve of NSAs spy grant sunset? They were dupes! Mossad agents did the shooting. Israel is the top subcontractor to DHS - NSA, and the one event has just generated $2.1B in arms sales to Korea, Taiewan, Saudi and Qatar.
Farook-Malik been belli belli good for bidnez. Better call Ari!
"We won, you lost. It's just business, get over it."
Posted by: Chipnik | Dec 17 2015 10:00 utc | 26
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Those $T in student loans created out of thin air 1s and 0s by the Fed through the US Student Loans Program, and then pimped by every college and university and State education department, are allowed to age for exactly one year, then rolled over to private gangs of the worst mortgage rapers and check-cashing murderers, eight of the biggest money thieves, including among them Countrywide, as student loan collectors.
I used to have the names when I was tracking all the perps consolidating and reselling those loans downline for more penalties and fees, but realized handling toxic nuclear waste like that is unhealthy for your soul, so I let it go.
Obama, and Arne Duncan in particular, created the largest 'bicycling' swindle operation outside of Wall Street, taking public tuition payments made through the school loan money laundering network, redirected into the offshore bank accounts of the worst of the mortgage swindlers, keeping the radioactive real estate junk bonds alive month to month with $100B a year in interest siphoned out of Mom&Dads 401k funds.
A whole nation of Rip Van Winkles, willfully blind, and yet nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care, that the Fed and the Chosen of G-d are making 10,000,000 of our children perpetual credit-debt slaves ... forever, every single year.
So They changed the program name to Every Child a Winner!!
Just like Uncle Ari, you lucky, lucky Exceptionalist bastards behind your US$ Ponzi.
Posted by: Chipnik | Dec 17 2015 10:25 utc | 27
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Larki Zaat is a code word, like the virgin bullet on Kennedy's gurney, or the pristine passport at the WTC, a code name that identifies the successful Zionist agent provocateur handling Farook-Malik, to their CIA-NSA paymasters.
'Larki Zaat' unscrambled is Latakia RZ, the Ruusian air base in Syria. You figure it out. LATAKIA ROMEO ZULU.
San Berdoo is sick with aerospace-defense (sic) contractors like L3 and Northrup, CGI and Gryphon, and they all need that Omnibus Mad Defense Spending generated by a false flag attack.
You better believe CIA-NSA would bury your mother in a shallow grave, and put your children out on the street, before they'd give up a single centavo of their Six-Sigma pensions for life.
Posted by: Chipnik | Dec 17 2015 11:23 utc | 28
Not to change the subject... but... a coup d'état is going on in Brazil - the B in BRICS (Argentina and Venezuela are done already): "A controversial congressional vote that stacked an impeachment committee with opponents of President Dilma Rousseff has been found to be legitimate by Brazil's Supreme Court justice which suspended proceedings against her last week. As a result, the full court will vote on whether to open an impeachment trial this afternoon. The move comes after Fitch downgraded Brazil's credit rating to BB+, becoming the second major credit rating agency to strip the country of its investment-grade status." There are many ways in which the US can undermine Russia and China...
Posted by: GoraDiva | Dec 17 2015 12:31 utc | 29
The RICS can forget about South America of Rousseff is forced from office. No more BRICS.
Posted by: Julian | Dec 17 2015 12:58 utc | 30
This again illustrates an important point to keep in mind. WaPo and NYT are liberal on domestic policies, but both helped incite and push us to war by allowing CIA propagandists unfettered access to the editorial board. There IS no liberal paper when it comes to foreign policy.
Posted by: scottindallas | Dec 17 2015 13:36 utc | 31
Slip of the tongue or the truth leaking out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFLb49pPSe4
Posted by: Les | Dec 17 2015 14:47 utc | 32
You won't see this in the "free" press.
Stars & Stripes is saying that the Syrian rebels are on the verge of collapse.
http://www.stripes.com/us-backed-syrian-rebel-group-on-verge-of-collapse-1.383853
I remember an article posted in S&S two years about foreign governments backing ISIS and other jihadist rebels. Not one word in the mainstream press.
Posted by: Les | Dec 17 2015 15:24 utc | 33
nobody talks about that elephant in the room, the I of brics.
bharat is obcessed with getting one up on china and the snake is glad to help.
the elephant has already gotten three legs planted in the murkkan camp.
Posted by: denk | Dec 17 2015 15:26 utc | 34
Spent some time on the SB attack, almost a whole day in all, trying to sort out time-line and location, which is the very first info to ‘settle or fix’ insofar as it can be. I had no problems with location, but the time line is opaque. The next post gives a tentative time-line for those who are detail oriented. No conclusions follow.
Posted by: Noirette | Dec 17 2015 16:07 utc | 35
Just happened to have a right-wing radio program on during a long drive Tuesday afternoon. This story - that the two San Bernardino attackers have advertised their hatred on social media, and that government regulations [becuase Obama is a crypto Muslim] forbade anyone to look at their social media - was basically the whole show.
Posted by: bks | Dec 17 2015 16:13 utc | 36
2 dec. 2015, San Bernardino shootings. Long...sorry...
8.00 - 9.00? Conference begins. “Farook was wearing a button-down shirt and a long beard.” 1
abitrarily: 10.00: “After the first hour” Farook gets up and leaves, quietly. Ppl don’t notice immediately he is no longer there. “Left papers and jacket.” 1
Interval between departure and return as an assassin. “It was unclear how much time elapsed between the time Farook left the party and returned. The chief said time ranges he has been given have been as little as 10 minutes and as much as half an hour, but "I don't know if that's true." 3
10.50 - 10.55 or so. The convener announces a 5 min. break in the conference. (Some ppl were in the bathroom when the shooting began; one at least was on the patio.) 1
close to 11.00. “He returned to the meeting about 11 a.m.” 1 His (+ wife’s?) attire is described in different ways, ski mask, black mask, tactical gear, cargo pants,etc. extra note: 6
10.59 Opened fire. 2
11.04 or so. The shooting lasted 4 mins. “Police arrive 4 minutes after the first 911 calls.” (no link) “Four minutes after the shooting had started, more people in tactical gear came rushing into the room with their guns drawn. “Police!” one said.” 1 “The perpetrators departed the scene before police arrived. The couple fled in a rented SUV.” 2
11.14. “At 11:14 am, the SB Fire Department made a Twitter post about an emergency on the 1300 block of Waterman Avenue” 2
> Very brief event. Times given are difficult to fit into a workable scenario; yet we must of course allow 5 mins. here or there. I have not been able to find out where the SUV (Black Ford Expedition. Utah plates) was parked (ppl assume at the parking in front.) One person did see the SUV leave, but ??
11.00 to 12.00 “By noon, at least one of those co-workers had told investigators that he believed one of the shooters could be Farook.” 1
“A person in the building who knew Farook and identified him by name expressed some concern over his behavior prior to the event and the way that he left. The police chief said officers quickly learned that Farook had rented a vehicle similar to the suspects' vehicle and followed up on addresses.” 3
> A reference to the reported quarrel between Farook and a Jewish co-worker, who was killed in the attack. (Many news sources report the event as a party. Imho this story of a quarrel is garbled news / time shift / made up. They were all listening to a lecture.) Note, the SUV was seen and described: when they drove up / while it was parked / when they fled.
Around or after 14.00. “Based on a tip provided by one of Farook's neighbors, officers went to the perpetrators' Redlands home on North Center Street for surveillance but had to give chase when the perpetrators fled the house.” 2
My transcript police chief: “Tips .. took us to a house in Redlands where we made contact with the suspect vehicle we were looking for, that resulted in a pursuit, which ultimately came back into the city of San Bernardino.” 4
“Police get a tip and go to Farook and Malik’s Redlands townhouse. While there, they see a black SUV speed by and chase it back to San Bernardino.” 5
“Based on a tip, police head to a house in Redlands. They identify a black SUV they had been searching for, and a high speed pursuit ensued heading back into the city of San Bernardino.” (Breitbart, no link.)
“As officers approach the residence to watch it, a vehicle fitting the same profile of the suspects' SUV leaves, and the officers begin a pursuit.” (LA Times, no link.)
Distance SB Redlands = 18 kms (from google), actually the distance home / conference center looks about 10 kms.
The police chief omits saying it was their home. All this is mighty confused, and deals more with the SUV than with their home. It sounds like they were looking for a particular car and had not at all gone to the home of the couple previous. Therefore the ‘tips’…
What can be cobbled together? (others sources are similar, etc.)? Farooks carried out the shooting, left at 11.05, 11.10 (say), drove away in a described SUV, were not followed or elsewise tracked, chased, stopped, etc. They went straight home, or arrived home before around 14.30. I couldn’t find any solid, conclusive news about their movements during the AWOL time. The police arrive at x time (latest 14.50), but the Farooks somehow escape the house, jump in the SUV and speed off. Or they came home when the house was under surveillance, noticed, drove away. Then, the tip about the car doesn’t work.
If Farook had been fingered as a perp shortly after the shooting, surely his address was known, even if his mother was the legal tenant, if that was so? It would be the first place to go (at 11.20, 11.30), and would not require ‘tips’? The videos of the interior do look like their home (e.g. photos of them, obvious presence of a baby, etc.)
15.05. Reports of a police chase of a black SUV, twitter. (no link)
15.00 - 15.30. Shoot out on San Bernadino Avenue, 2.7 km. from the Conference Center. (multiple sources, different times.) Both are killed.
around 18.00 ? First *public* naming of Farook. Wife named at presser 22.00. (As far as I can tell.)
1. WaPo http://tinyurl.com/petlrb6
2. Wiki. http://tinyurl.com/qy5bwsu Is quoted because it tries to stich a narrative out of multiple MSM news.
3. LA Times http://tinyurl.com/zgjgdwj
4. Time.com http://tinyurl.com/hkca8p9
5. SB Sun. http://tinyurl.com/qjgwmb7
6. maybe 3, ‘credible’ reports of 3 shooters, all male, tall, and in black tactical gear. (? no link, it is another issue.) See Sam D at 4 for ex.
Posted by: Noirette | Dec 17 2015 16:39 utc | 37
I think this is not a good example of news manipulation, few people care how this women communicated her jihadi sympathies. Although it would be more relevant to know when she did it. Definitely her fiancee visa application was reviewed and checked for "red flags", and deportation should have some concrete reasons (more concrete than for visa denial).
The manipulation of foreign affair reports is much more systematic. For example, there was an article on the ceasefire in Yemen with no examples of Saudi violations. And there was an example of a Saudi "mistake", and it was weird: that they killed 70 participants of a wedding. No other news source gave that number, NY Post, Washington Post, Secretary General of UN, all used "more than 130" or "at least 135". One source, cite of local medical aid, mention "80 women", which is more than 70, and there were men there too. So who and when decided that "we should mention something about KSA misconduct, but just one example and try to keep it as small as possible". But in that case perhaps they should not use any number, as they do in the case of Ukraine.
There, a ceasefire is either violated by the rebels, or simply "by shelling", presumably by a UFO that was passing through, and there is not such a thing like victims among "rebel population".
What is equally symptomatic is the choice of words describing various perpetrators. Bombs in Beirut are placed by "militants", Alawi women were paraded in cages through East Ghouta by "media activists" and so on.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 17 2015 16:40 utc | 38
Donald Trump has let us know that he does not know how the Internet works. Don't expect his supporters to understand nuances such as the difference between a private Facebook message and a public posting...
Posted by: ralphieboy | Dec 17 2015 17:21 utc | 39
ISIS video praising Obama support is taken down
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/forged-isis-video-praises-obama-backing/
Forged, but true.
Posted by: Les | Dec 17 2015 17:32 utc | 40
35;The Jewish coworker allegedly harassed the guy constantly,and disparaged Islam repeatedly.An alleged messianic? Jew,who was portrayed as a Jew for Jesus,probably to invoke American sympathy.As a Zionist,you can't be a Jesus follower.
How about the professor at the Bible college who was suspended for empathizing with Muslims,and saying its all the same God?My God,it is!If there is one.
A nation of brainwashed morons.
Posted by: dahoit | Dec 17 2015 18:10 utc | 41
Noirette @ 35
Thanks for putting in the time and effort to sort all that out.
Given the abundance of surveillance cameras in the U.S., it would be astonishing if the police don't have lots of video of the comings and going in the parking lot and the streets to and from the Farooks' house.
Posted by: Ken Nari | Dec 17 2015 18:23 utc | 42
No matter how closely anyone attempts to investigate any of these so-called "mass shooting" events, there will never be conclusive proof to either validate or refute the allegations made by the state, and I imagine that's more of a feature than a bug.
The powers-that-be are well aware that a small percentage of the population is aware of their machinations, however they're also well aware that the vast majority of people watch the tv news and read the mainstream newspapers believing that the only bias is either left or right, i.e. liberal or conservative. That way, they can choose to watch MSNBC or FOX knowing that they're getting "the truth".
These false flag attacks and repeated terror warnings are designed to maintain a constant state of fear and agitation in the domestic population while providing political cover for all manner of draconian legislation and police actions, i.e. surveillance, militarized cops, bloated defense spending, and the constant curtailment of civil liberties and respect for the actual rule of law.
As frustrating as it is to feel that you're aware of what's really going on while those around you are oblivious, it really seems like there's not much point in arguing the finer details as they'll never see the light of day in a widely-publicized way, anyhow.
From TWA800 to 9/11 to the anthrax to Paul Wellstone to WMD's in Iraq and the subsequent war to Pat Tillman to Dr. David Kelly to vote rigging and ballot stuffing to the financial crash and it's gun-to-the-head-style bailout to everything else, it's obvious to anyone who's paying attention that the lunatics are running the asylum. The only question left is: what can we really do about it?
Posted by: Bruno Marz | Dec 17 2015 19:16 utc | 43
One of my first thoughts on hearing about the tragedy of San Berdoo was "false flag," as in some unfortunate people being manipulated by some spooky type to get riled up and et voila! A ready, handy excuse for more oppression/suppression of the masses via the fear/race card.
OTOH, who knows for sure. But if not a false flag, it is most certainly being USED for the purposes of further clamping down on USA citizen civil rights. Why how convenient coming on the heels of the "interesting" spree in Paris, where French citizens' rights are most likely also going to be reduced in the name of "safety."
Plus count this up as another giant CHA-CHING!!! for the MIC/PTB. Witness the travesty that's called the GOP "primary." The brown shirts are all IN for some sort of annihilation in the ME, despite allegedly being opposed to W's decision re Iraq. Yeah, Obama has "weakened" the military by only "permitting" something like 70% of the US budget being spent on it. Right.
As to the NYT article... well, IMO that was deliberately ordered to be written that way by the PTB. Now the howler monkeys on Hate Radio, Fox, Christian Broadcast Network, etc, are all shrieking that "Obama ORDRED that their Facebook account not be looked at."
All ties into: it's ALL and ONLY Obama's fault. These credulous citizens never question why billion$ are spent on spying on THEM. If something slips through the spy-net, it's bc devious bastard Obama ordered it to happen that way.
It's such lunacy, but that's where we're at these days. Any lie, especially big bold ones that defame Obama, are an article of absolute FAITH by ardent Trump supporters. And the lie will continue to be broadcast and blabbered about endlessly. And like any big LIE, it will be seen as an article of absolute FACT by those who want to see it that way.
Comey's efforts to "walk it back" somewhat by clarifying at least what Comey says happened - private emails, etc - is like any retraction/refutation these days. It's probably more factual, but it will get lost in shrieking blare of propaganda Wurlitzer. As I said: et voila!
It's pretty useless to speculate whether the couple were manipulated by the Fibbies or whomever. It doesn't matter at this point bc the end result is the same, no matter whether they were REALLY "influenced" by ISIS or whatever or whether they were "just" mentally ill and went off their rockers (like many many before who happened not to be Muslims) or... whatever.
The NYT lied? Yeah, yet another day that ends in "y." What else is new?
Posted by: RUKidding | Dec 17 2015 20:02 utc | 44
@27
about BRICS
The only ones left to oust are Correa and Morales in South America.
Maduro seems to want a recount as a million and a half votes have been deemed void. It sure looks
odd that the incumbents would lose by such a broad margin when they represent the aspirations
of the poorest, a vast majority in the country.
Of course, the same tactics that were employed against Allende (artificial scarcity of goods, financial
asphyxiation of the Government) were put to good use to beat Maduro's side. Of course, manipu-
lation of the electronic voting process is a definite probability considering the incredible margin "won"
by the opposition.
Macri did not lose a minute in giving satisfaction to the financial vultures. Carlos Menem revisited.
Argentina is free to embark on a loan spree. Makes everybody happy, paves the streets with gold
and messes up coming generations future.
To think that the IMF forbade Argentinians from prosecuting Government members for corruption!
If corruption was bad under Dilma, wait until she is run over and we shall see the real plunge really bad.
But, LatAm is back in step. America is again the master of lives down South.
Posted by: CarlD | Dec 17 2015 20:14 utc | 45
Putin annual media Q&A marathon 2015 (FULL PRESSER)
Among many other subjects, Putin dealt a severe blow to "regime changers" of all kinds.
"We will never agree for someone from the outside to force any leader upon anyone anywhere," Putin told an annual news conference. "This runs absolutely counter to common sense and international law," he said.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 17 2015 20:19 utc | 46
@Lonewolf 2
I remember when I used to think I was "clued up" because I read the likes of NYT, The Guardian, etc. I'm 65 and have travelled the world a bit, but I have to admit I've only realised what's going on in the last 6 or 7 years. Almost completely down to the internet. And only discovered MOA about 2 months ago.
Posted by: Trog51 | Dec 17 2015 21:03 utc | 47
Cross-checking? Pff...House Bill H.R 5736 as an amendment to the NDAA 2013: even the Gouvernement may tell batshit crazed stories, it's perfect legal.
Posted by: slirs | Dec 17 2015 21:05 utc | 48
@Trog51@47
@Lonewolf 2
I remember when I used to think I was "clued up" because I read the likes of NYT, The Guardian, etc. I'm 65 and have travelled the world a bit, but I have to admit I've only realised what's going on in the last 6 or 7 years. Almost completely down to the internet. And only discovered MOA about 2 months ago.
Been there, done that. I don't think there is one single person who was born "enlightened" and didn't have to go through a process of self-discovery, questioning, inquiring, expanding their worldview, and gaining awareness slowly but surely. As for the time it takes to do it, better late than never. Glad you discovered MoA, a veritable source of info, news, exchange and knowledge. Welcome!
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 17 2015 22:12 utc | 49
Off subject but who runs the US?
One one hand, Kerry is supposed to have admitted the US no longer is after Al Assad Yesterday.
At the same time, there is this:
The Latest: US position on Assad hasn't changed, envoy says
Associated Press via Yahoo! NewsDec 16 11:29 AM
BEIRUT (AP) — The latest news on developments in the Syrian conflict. All times local:
Bashar Assad can stay, for now: US accepts Russ... - India TV
Where the GOP Candidates Stand on Syria’s Assad - Wall Street Journal Blogs
Syrian opposition in Riyadh for difficult unity ... - AFP via Yahoo! News
So is America a polycephalous entity?
Is America really in turmoil as far as foreign policy is concerned? Who calls the shots?
Posted by: CarlD | Dec 17 2015 22:29 utc | 50
re @50
and this is what Kerry was reported to have said:
US Not Seeking 'Regime Change' in Syria, Kerry Says
ABC NewsDec 15 11:44 AM
The U.S. secretary of state met with Vladimir Putin in Moscow.
Putin Kerry agree to push ahead with Syria peace... - MENAFN
Kerry in Moscow to bridge differences over Syria - Deutsche Welle
Obama suggests Russia might eventually work with... - Deutsche Welle
Who are we to believe?
The right hand doesn't know what the left is doing.
Posted by: CarlD | Dec 17 2015 22:32 utc | 51
It's U.S. Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power who said the U.S. position on Assad hasn't changed. Secretary of State Kerry outranks her.
Posted by: lysias | Dec 17 2015 22:48 utc | 52
@Lonewolf
Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for you and the other well informed and mostly polite contributors on MoA.
Posted by: Trog51 | Dec 17 2015 22:55 utc | 53
Complete bullshit. We know that the US/UK governments have the most expensive and wide ranging internet snooping capabilities on the planet, and yet they missed these two?
The NYTimes prints what they are told to, provide it comes with some "for national security reasons" pleadings so they can rationalize it. Nothing new here.
@CarlD - I hate to say, but you are right. The US has refocused its efforts on Latin America, and with what appears to be great success. Having been to Venezuela, I can assure you they are quite proud of their voting system and its reliability - so while this is certainly a surprise, something other than raw vote rigging is probably the culprit.
Venezuela Analysis, as always, has insightful articles free of the endless horseshit the Western media is putting out.
http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/11780
Chavismo is still in the drivers seat in terms of executive power, which is good. Unfortunately, the disloyal opposition (as they always are in Latin America, where the parties of oligarchy are more closely tied with the US than with the majority of their countrymen) is now in a position to cause even greater amounts of trouble.
It is time for Chavismo to assess what has really occurred here, discover wether it is an example of new methods of corrupting democracy, or a genuine expression of popular will. Whatever happens, whatever MUDs agenda, the great things Chavismo brought to the country will not easily be overturned. The tens of thousands of doctors and nurses trained, the millions educated, housed, and lifted from poverty the first time - these things are now part of Venezuela. They are in the people. They cannot be taken. They are carved in stone.
What is disgusting is that, now that Maduro has more or less accepted the results and everyone agrees that this was as free and fair of an election as has always been held since the 1998 constitution - will the shameful liars like Hillary Clinton, who went around saying that Maduro would "rig" the election now apologize?
Don't hold your breath.
God forbid that poor people in Latin America have governments that look out for them. Then it's "dicatorship!". But when the US is murdering presidents and launching coups... that's "democracy". These simple facts - which everyone all over the world (aside from most Americans) are aware of - are why the US hasn't a chance to rule over the globe except by force and violence.
It hardly fits to call us the "new Nazis" considering our very recent history includes so many of the old ones.
@56 - oops, the Constitution was drafted by a constitutional assembly and passed by popular referendum in 1999. Its quite an amazing document, actually. http://www.venezuelaemb.or.kr/english/ConstitutionoftheBolivarianingles.pdf
MEanwhile, while every right wing ass on the planet is criticizing Venezuela for another well run and peaceful election, they are full of praise for the ridiculous fraud of "political reform" in Saudi Arabia, because the royals there have decided to ever so slightly dial back the tremendous repression of their women.
How many articles to I have to read praising the Saudis? If it isn't about how their beheadings are "misunderstood", its about how gracious they are for letting a woman run for office. Its sickening. The US media is bought and paid for by foreign interests.
@50 CarlD
I posit that a group of global plutocratic families own private finance and most of everything else. The are the puppet masters institutionalized by rules of inheritance.
b, sorry for your illness and glad to see it abate quickly.
Thanks again for hosting and posting.
The NYT is a propaganda tool. Color me surprised.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 18 2015 2:04 utc | 59
CD@50
Many people are reading too much into Kerry's statement and what regime changer means. The US position doesn't appear to have changed any from what was proposed at the UN in 2012. Assad and his minions must go but the Ba'athist Regime will remain mostly intact sharing power with the rebel leadership. The Syrian rebel leadership have chosen an ex Syrian PM to lead their delegation.
Posted by: Wayoutwest | Dec 18 2015 4:12 utc | 61
@Lone Wolf
Nevermind, thank you. I believe I have answered my own question.
Posted by: Benu | Dec 18 2015 4:34 utc | 63
@50 carl d... the view from fars news on the topic.. "Think US Is Not Seeking Regime Change in Syria? Think Again"
Posted by: james | Dec 18 2015 5:09 utc | 64
Noirette, @37
Also, did you see the video of the SUV being "chased" it was crawling along at about 15mph with it's hazards going. I'm guessing that they thought they were "helping" to catch some "real" terrorists but were the patsies all along.
I think that holes in the narrative are deliberate, they don't care, because they can be exploited by the disinfo trolls, in no time at all there is in-depth analysis of news coverage debunking the official line, Alex Jones style. The aim is to divide opinion, create confusion and start arguments around the dinner table.
Posted by: Optimist | Dec 18 2015 6:06 utc | 65
Ken Nari at 42. I could not find any CCTV footage at all. There is one witness who saw the SUV leave (just after 11.00) but not who was in it. (A construction worker who was just opposite.) There are some vague stories about FBI requests for footage, in shops etc. with rumors that the F’s visited a supermarket.
Bruno at 43. No matter how closely anyone attempts to investigate any of these so-called "mass shooting" events, there will never be conclusive proof to either validate or refute the allegations made by the state, and I imagine that's more of a feature than a bug. I agree. This is compulsive behavior on my part, I’m just too curious. For my own satisfaction, I want a narrative that holds together, and now at least I have a hypothesis.
Optimist at 66. Yes I did!
Extra comments. The time-line has no RL beginning. Reportedly, the F’s “dropped off their baby with the mother” before F showed at the conference, saying they were going to a Dr. appointment. (Some state dentist.) That can’t be right or is ‘the wrong language’ because they lived together.
About the frenzied media (many journos, cams, etc. a real crowd scene) visit to the Farook’s Redlands home, 4 dec. even CNN was outraged/surprised that the crime scene was being disturbed in this way. (expected FBI questions: e.g. what weapons? how made? where from? others visits to home? documents? correspondence? jihadi contacts on computers? suicide note? money? etc.) This visit, and the interviews with the landlord (he says some extremely odd things) are crazy strange. Simple explanation: It wasn’t treated as a crime scene because it wasn’t one. It was their home though, I’m sure of that.
Posted by: Noirette | Dec 18 2015 9:20 utc | 66
I don't like the looks of the economy, newest Fed step against
background of stock market bubble.
It never hurts to have emergency food supply against any kind of
natural disaster, etc.
PS: two of the Paris Attacks deceased found alive & well in Spain.
http://www.thelocal.es/20151116/two-spaniards-reported-dead-in-paris-attacks-are-alive
Posted by: Penelope | Dec 18 2015 9:51 utc | 67
In a major setback for Brazil's opposition, the Supreme Court has scrapped a commission set up to deal with impeachment proceedings against President Dilma Rousseff.
The court has also given more powers to the government-controlled Senate to block the impeachment process.
The ruling means that proceedings initiated earlier this month will have to start from scratch.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35129063
Ms Rousseff said she was innocent and the impeachment attempt would fail.
Proceedings were opened on 2 December by the disgraced Speaker of the lower house of Congress, Eduardo Cunha.
Posted by: okie farmer | Dec 18 2015 13:11 utc | 68
French socialists are so good that they may even lose Corsica at some point!
http://www.lemonde.fr/elections-regionales-2015/article/2015/12/18/corse-la-demonstration-nationaliste_4834594_4640869.html
Posted by: Mina | Dec 18 2015 13:51 utc | 69
For those still interested in the SB shootings, one can read the FBI accusation of Enrique Marquez (friend of Farook and ‘islamist mate’, buyer of the guns, etc.) at link. There is a lot of info in it. One crucial entry of the time line of the day, however, is missing. (see point 70.) That is the time when Marquez called 9/11 to finger his old pal Farook.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/293560032/Complaint-against-Enrique-Marquez-Jr
Posted by: Noirette | Dec 18 2015 15:14 utc | 70
Noirette @ 67
Great detective work. When I said the police no doubt have plenty of video, I didn't mean I thought they would own up to it or release it.
If I were the Farook family's lawyers I'd subpoena those videos (fat chance of actually getting them.) I'd also request the mobile phone records that would show the location of phones during that afternoon (another fat chance.)
We live in a grim world now, that's for sure, and Bruno asks the right question, "What can be done about it?" In retrospect Meyer Lansky's and Bugsy Siegel's Murder Incorporated almost looks like a benevolent organization. Of course it had people in Washington looking out for it even back then.
Posted by: Ken Nari | Dec 18 2015 15:18 utc | 71
Ken Nari at 72. Farook’s cell phone records would clear up many things up immediately.
I guess, like you, we will never see them. The justification will be ‘security, security’, ‘confidentiality’, ‘other terrorist threats’ aka state secrets, and the life of a 6 mo. old baby to cherish and protect, there you go.
Farook’s family lawyers will have an impossible road to hoe, but will be tolerated to some degree, allowed to speak, etc. As you say, the CCTV footage will just turn up 'missing'.. In any case nobody will care about a labelled islamist terrorist who was murdered, all go thru the paces…Everyone move on!
Even if F. was a shooter, guilty, nobody will ever know what went down precisely, why, how, etc.
Posted by: Noirette | Dec 18 2015 17:10 utc | 72
Bruno Marz, I found it interesting that you say none of these events can ever be resolved one way or another. Boston Bombing photos taken from an office overlooking where the crisis actors waited their turn for the photographer are conclusive. Two did not even lie down until the photographer was ready for them, at which time one "became dead." We actually see one woman put on her "blood makeup." We see Cowboy Hat, lounging & waiting for the final event. Looked at carefully these are conclusive proof that the Boston Marathon bombing was a hoax. http://deepinsidetherabbithole.com/The_Boston_Bombing_Hoax.html http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/
Posted by: Penelope | Dec 18 2015 21:25 utc | 73
Optimist @ 66,
You say the holes in the San Bernardino narrative seem deliberate. I agree. There is so much in foreign policy and in these "events" that we characterize as stupid and incompetent. I think a good part is deliberate. Is it a provocation directed at the segment of the American people who aren't mesmerized by the media? Or is it just boiling the frog slowly so that the truth dawns slowly upon the public?
Posted by: Penelope | Dec 18 2015 21:34 utc | 74
DOUBTS
an Bernardino shooting: Attackers did not express support for Isis on social media and were not part of terror cell
id still say they didnt do the shooting at all
Posted by: brian | Dec 19 2015 10:57 utc | 75
The United States is teaming up with Al Qaeda, again
http://harpers.org/archive/2016/01/a-special-relationship/?single=1
Posted by: Les | Dec 19 2015 16:28 utc | 76
Back on declarations ant counterdeclarations:
final analysis is that Kerry went to Russia bearing the olive branch to soften the Russians
into believing that they had changed their minds on Assad,
In fact it was just a ruse to get Putin to concur in the new UNSC resolution.
Yom Kippur revisited.
Now, Bashad/Russia/Iran/Hezbollah will have to forego all their advances and will give their almost
vanquished enemies time to rest, rearm, restore, reposition, resupply, retrain, recruit and
start anew and with renewed spirit a war they had lost.
Meanwhile, the US is back to bombing the wrong side in Irak. Nothing new under the sun. And while they removed the F-15s they had in Turkey, they are installing an air defense system.
Duplicity 404.
Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes did not seem to be in Putin's awareness.
Too bad.
Posted by: CarlD | Dec 19 2015 21:58 utc | 77
CarlD @ 78,
I haven't fully taken in what the new resolution means yet, but you are too pessimistic.
Parts of it take place at different times & those times are probably just targets--
as were the dates of the last big powow-- what was it called Friends of Syria, or
some such garbage.
The ceasefire portion specifically excludes ISIS and al Nusra, meaning they will
still be targets.
Have you read the resolution itself? It's here http://www.voltairenet.org/article189694.html
Posted by: Penelope | Dec 20 2015 4:34 utc | 78
Brian @ 76,
Strange investigation, huh? Notice that they are not investigating the event at all.
Only the couple of alleged shooters. The stated reason that they went after them
is that "someone said that one of the shooters might be Farooq". That's it, no
other evidence has been stated for why they went after them. Why have they showed us no dashcam footage? They really can't maintain that the couple shot first because the windows were rolled up; they had large holes in them, but there's enough left to see that they were rolled up. Only the back window was completely blown out.
However, there are a number of reasons to think that the entire killing of the "shooters" was a hoax, because it was staged: The car stopped at a trash receptacle that may have been placed there as a marker of where the movie director wanted it to stop. (In past hoaxes they have used prominent paint, etc on the pavement, but internet people have spied this.) If you look at the footage you will see that the chase ends by the trash receptacle with a white picket fence extending for some distance on either side. But there is another photo of the chase end-point which shows the SUV in a different location-- by a traffic light w trees, etc., a yellow street line instead of a white dotted line, etc. The "body" of the man has too much tension in arms & legs to be dead; the pool of red is too far away from the body, has no trail leading from the body to it, etc. Why did the SUV travel so slowly? Why is there no film of the man getting out of the vehicle? Virtually all the film that we actually see on this event is unrealistic. Where are the Medvac helicopters? The doctors' press conference was nervously controlled by the head of Loma Linda Medical Center.
Posted by: Penelope | Dec 20 2015 5:11 utc | 79
Brian @ 76,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcqdinBLxDI At 12:10 on this video the newsman becomes concerned that his "witness" is lacking credibility cuz he keeps putting his hands in his pockets. So the newsman, not knowing that the camera is now picking up below his waist, puts his hand out and sort of pinches his witness's wrist to make him take his hand out of his pocket. To me that's a dead giveaway! Would he do that w a real witness-- be concerned about enhancing his credibility?
Posted by: Penelope | Dec 20 2015 6:05 utc | 80
For those interested, there is an interesting analysis of a carefully
constructed web of deceit at
http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/20/new-east-network-who-is-the-guardian-speaking-for-part-1/
It depicts the degeneration of the once respectable UK newspaper
"The Guardian" into a State Sponsored Troll.
It is indeed a tangled web we weave.....
Posted by: DavidKNZ | Dec 20 2015 20:40 utc | 81
The NY Times is merely doing its job, acting as a news source while carrying out its role as a mouthpiece for the intelligence sector. What surprises me is how surprised people are when they see it doing its job.
Posted by: Mark Tokarski | Dec 21 2015 13:10 utc | 82
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Does no one in the corporate media use the term "allegedly" anymore?
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