Erdogan's "Turkmen" Lose Some Of Their Chechen And Saudi Leaders
Following the shoot-down of a Russian fighter jet over north Latakia the Turkish President Erdogan insisted that there were no terrorists in the area the Russians were bombing but only "Turkmen". Today a Russian air attack in the area hit major "Turkmen" fighting positions but the death notices that follow do not fit Erdogan's "Turkmen" claims:
Dismissing Russian claims that the Russian plane had been on an anti-terror mission against Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) jihadists in northern Syria, Erdoğan said, “No one should ever fool themselves: There are no Daesh [ISIL] elements in the Bayırbucak region where Turkmen live.”Erdoğan also attacked those who criticized his government’s ostensible aid to the Turkmens.
“You know the famous MİT truck betrayal which took place right after the Dec.17-25 coup attempt, don’t you? There are some who still make their headlines for their newspapers without any shame. Those trucks were trucks taking aid to our Bayırbucak Turkmens. Some are saying, ‘Prime Minister Erdoğan was saying that there were no weapons inside those [trucks].’ What if there were, what if there weren’t? What are we saying: ‘We are taking humanitarian assistance there.’ Who are they? They are our mistreated and oppressed Bayırbucak Turkmen siblings. That’s what we did,” Erdoğan said late Nov. 24.
So there are just Turkmen, says Erdogan. And he finally admits that he sent them weapons.
But the "Turkmen" Erdogan speaks of are not the 100,000 or so ethnic Turkmen who for hundreds of years have lived in the area. The "Turkmen" who killed the parachuting Russian pilot was a Turkish radical nationalist who belongs to the fascist Grey Wolf organization.
Today Russian planes flew extensive attacks in the area where the "Turkmen" fight against the approaching Syrian army:
[T]he Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed a terrorist stronghold in the Syrian province of Latakia, which was located at a strategically important height."Near the village of Kessab in the Latakia province, a major stronghold of militants located at a tactically important height was destroyed."
The strikes were in support of a Syrian Arab Army attack north of Arafit (map). This afternoon several death of anti-Syrian insurgents reported or mourned. Here are some samples:
Hassan Ridha @sayed_ridha
#Jaish_Fateh's Sh. Muhseni was wounded by an #RuAF airstrike in NE #Latakia countryside
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVZSO4nUYAA6Yj-.jpg
The "Sheik"'s wounding was confirmed:
Earlier Friday, activists said that a Russian airstrike the previous day wounded a senior commander of al-Qaida's branch in Syria, a preacher from Saudi Arabia, but that his injuries are not life-threatening.The Observatory and Syria-based activist Bebars al-Talawy said that Sheikh Abdullah al-Mheisny was wounded in the northwestern province of Latakia.
A Saudi citizen, al-Mheisny had been fighting in northern Syria for months, serving both as a senior religious and military commander with the al-Qaida branch, known as the Nusra Front.
Activists posted on social media Friday a photo of al-Mheisny, showing his head bandaged.
This "Turkmen" in Latakia was a Saudi preacher fighting with al-Qaeda.
Peto Lucem @PetoLucem
Reports emerge claiming terrorist leader Muslim Shishani was eliminated by #SAA in #Latakia Governorate. #Syria .
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVZn27qU4AAX_fD.jpg
This "Turkmen" is from Chechnya but his death was not confirmed.
Hassan Ridha @sayed_ridha
Pic of Muslim Al-Shar'i, commander in Ansar Al-Sham killed by #SAA near Arafit #Latakia countryside
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVZza-QUAAAYkqo.jpg
We do not know where Al-Shar'i came from but Ansar Al-Sham is a terrorist organization founded by al-Qaeda personal and not a "Turkmen" folklore club.
Hassan Ridha @sayed_ridha
Muslim Al-Shar'i was killed in clashes with #SAA in #Latakia countryside
Muslim Al-Shishani, commander of Jund Al-Sham was NOT killed
Beware The Tiger @Souria4Syrians
Chechen terrorist and Abu Muslim Shishani's right hand man; Haneef Al Karabdini has been killed by Syrian Army
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVZq8tRW4AA4X2V.png
The Russian air force and the Syrian army had a quite successful day while Erdogan's "Bayırbucak Turkmen" from all around the world lost some key leaders.
Posted by b on December 4, 2015 at 20:08 UTC | Permalink
here is one more example from sept 22 2014... all that happened was the guy who wrote the story and the paper he was connected it where threatened with legal action... no action was taken against the '''moderate terrorists''' turkey was looking after in the hospitals... fascinating stuff, as the more of it that comes out, the harder it is to cover it up..
Posted by: james | Dec 4 2015 20:25 utc | 2
Some stuff is official.
Turkey training Turkmen forces in Iraq and Syria
Several hundred Turkish troops in Mosul to train Peshmerga and opposition forces (?)
Posted by: somebody | Dec 4 2015 20:36 utc | 3
@3 somebody - from your first link "The officials also said Turkmen forces were being trained at a location inside Syria, which they did not want to name due to security concerns." probably the same place russia was doing the bombing mission on when the russian plane got shoot down.. there was a reason this happened. i think this is it.. i am curious to know the international laws turkey thinks it is following here... it is one hell of a lousy preacher saying it's space can't be invaded while invading syria..
Posted by: james | Dec 4 2015 20:40 utc | 4
what fresh idiocy is this? Turkish Troops Said To Invade Iraq Near Mosul
Posted by: Nana2007 | Dec 4 2015 20:45 utc | 5
Thanks for the links, interesting, to say the least. Begs the question..Is the West/NATO, exerting pressure on Turkey to involve themselves in regime change in Syria? I would expect nothing less from empire, but have we proof? Links would be appreciated.
Posted by: ben | Dec 4 2015 20:55 utc | 6
Forget @6, dumb question. US/NATO/turkey war games seem to be as regular as clockwork. It would be the tail wagging the dog if Turkey did anything without prompting from the empire. DUH!
Posted by: ben | Dec 4 2015 21:06 utc | 7
@7 The big carrot for Turkey is EU membership. They expect to achieve this via NATO. It's that simple.
Posted by: dh | Dec 4 2015 21:15 utc | 8
Are we going to allow them to carry us into War, most likely a World War, just so that the Rothschilds and their protectorate, -- Israel, may enrich themselves? I think that, rather than just talking/writing, we should start organizing NOW! And it should be an international effort. Massive demonstrations everywhere – whether the media covers them or not. I understand that of late, demonstrations have accomplished precious little. But if they are massive, and world-wide – things might be different, and in any event, we do not have the luxury of doing nothing. Nothing has zero chance of begetting nothing, while something, might have a chance, however, slim this chance might be, and the stakes have never been higher – this will not be a regular war – this will turn into a major world war.
ISRAELI COLONEL
AMONG ISIS FORCES
IN IRAQ
by Jeffrey Phillips | Dec 1, 2015 |
http://wearechange.org/israeli-colonel-among-isis-forces-in-iraq/
[rest deleted - b.]
[DO NOT COPY WHOLE ARTICLES INTO THE COMMENTS.]
Posted by: susetta | Dec 4 2015 21:30 utc | 10
Erdogan's "Syrian" base for his purported takeover of Syrian land is decreasing by the day, the 4+1 won't stop until they clean the Turkey-Syrian border from takfiris and "Turkmen" of all kinds.
Syrian Army, Allies Gain More Territories in Lattakia Province
TEHRAN (FNA)- The Syrian Army alongside the country's National Defense Forces (NDF), backed up by the Russian fighter jets, won two more regions in the Northern part of the coastal province of Lattakia, battlefield sources announced on Friday.The sources said that the Syrian army, the NDF fighters and the Russian air force conducted joint anti-terrorist operations near the strategic regions of Rweiset Khandaq and Ketf al-Hamidah and forced the militant groups to retreat forces from the mentioned battlefields after leaving dozens of dead and wounded members.
The pro-government forces are now in full control of the above-mentioned regions [...]
URGENT: Russian Air Force Kills Several Terrorist Leaders in Syria over Past Week
TEHRAN (FNA)- Several terrorist leaders have been killed in Russian airstrikes in Syria over the past week, the Defense Ministry said.In Lattakia province, a dugout with the leader of a large terror group named Abu Abdu and several other field commanders has been destroyed, General-Major Igor Konashenkov, a Defense Ministry spokesman, told a media briefing on Friday.
“Also during the week, several [terrorist] leaders were eliminated near the village of el-Latamna in Hama province,” he added.
Illegal oil trade by the terrorists was also targeted by the Russian Air Force, with Konashenkov speaking of “12 oil pump stations, eight oil fields and refineries, and over 170 oil tanker trucks” being destroyed over the past seven days.
"Over the past week, between November 26 and December 4, Russian aircraft have performed 431 sorties from the Khmeimim airbase [in Syria’s Lattakia province] and carried out 1,458 pinpoint airstrikes against terrorist facilities in the provinces of Aleppo, Idlib, Lattakia, Hama, Homs, Deir Ezzur and Raqqa,” he said.
According to Konashenkov, terrorist command centers, strongholds, militant training camps and arms depots were targeted.
“I want to emphasize that all our bomber and attack planes received cover from Su-30 [fighter jets],” he stressed.
The measure was implemented after the downing of a Russian Su-24 bomber by the Turkish Air Force on November 24 [...]
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 4 2015 21:30 utc | 11
Sorry, should have written:
"...Nothing has 100% chance of begetting nothing..."
Posted by: susetta | Dec 4 2015 21:37 utc | 13
@9 It's not just economic. Turkey has made several attempts to integrate. By force originally until they got pushed back. Nowadays cultural differences are the main stumbling block.
This lays out the pros and cons better than I can...
Posted by: dh | Dec 4 2015 21:43 utc | 14
And today we read that Turkey sending troops to Iraq, what a crazy regime this is, supported by nato of course.
Posted by: Seder | Dec 4 2015 21:54 utc | 15
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Thank you for following the money behind the latest fevered war pron post from their Fascist National Golgotha.
Then if you also repost the investigative reports on Erdogan's Familia (Mafia) control of looted Syrian oil making its way to Ceyhan, then by tanker to Israel, where Erdogan's sister-in-war-crime Bibi's Familia (Mafia) is busy mixing that looted oil with legitimate tankage, even tanker-to-tanker pumping to hide its point of origin, then selling that looted and laundered Syrian oil forward at massive profit in an oil-for-arms 'scheme', as the Banksters like to call it, then if you were to repost that, and EUs €3B bribe to Erdogan to keep that crude flowing, to keep the cheap labor immigration flowing, to keep the arms and opiates pipeline flowing, maybe we could rip away all the war pron chatter and reveal it for what it is:
"We won, you lost. It's just business, get over it. Now get back to your work center bunkhouse, before I call in a SWAT."
Posted by: Chipnik | Dec 4 2015 22:15 utc | 16
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You should also mention recent geological reports from Yemen of massive oil and gas potential, released just before the Houthi overthrow of the USILKSA puppet, installed to sign the adverse Western mineral and oil laws, granting just enough royalties (as BushCo did to Iraq and Afghanistan) to maintain the Royal Palace, a Royal Republican Guard to defend it, the Royal Mercedes, the Royal Mansions in London and Dubai, the Royal Dual-Citizenship and all the other State Executor perks.
Then be sure to mention the last trip Bibi made to the US, to bitch-slap the criminally complicit US Congress, (who stood and clapped until their hands bled, clapping for longer than for any sitting US President) into maintaining RU economic sanctions, before flying back to Tel Aviv, Haaretz tells us, to inaugurate a New Israeli Free Trade Zone ... with Russia!
Because, you know, it's just business, get over it. Here's some more war pron kibble to binge-blog drool over, you Zeks.
Posted by: Chipnik | Dec 4 2015 22:36 utc | 17
Ohuh.
German intel sees risk in Saudi prince’s thirst for power
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/2/german-intel-sees-risk-in-saudi-princes-thirst-for/
Germany rejects own spy agency's criticism of Saudi Arabia
The German government on Friday rejected the findings of a damning report on Saudi Arabia by its own spy agency and called Riyadh a key partner in regional conflict resolution.
The highly unusual spat between the chancellery and foreign ministry on one side and the BND foreign intelligence service on the other hand erupted when the latter on Wednesday released a report accusing Saudi Arabia of a destabilising shift in foreign policy.
http://news.yahoo.com/germany-rejects-own-spy-agencys-criticism-saudi-arabia-153602211.html
And Hucklebee just came out supporting Putin on Syria on FOX.
Posted by: shadyl | Dec 4 2015 23:56 utc | 19
A very prescient 2012 German non-MSM video relating to Erdogan
Hello Erdogan, A Message from Prominent German Journalist Jürgen Elsässer re Syria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlgMwxP1w_M
Posted by: Yonatan | Dec 4 2015 23:58 utc | 20
Pat Bateman@18 Maybe not.. "More than 100 Turkish military personnel have been deployed in the Mosul region in northern Iraq to provide training, various media have reported, citing Turkish security sources.
The Iraqi foreign ministry said in a statement early on Saturday that the Turkish troops were acting in violation of the country’s sovereignty and demanded the forces withdraw immediately. “Around one armed battalion” has entered the northern Nineveh region, according to the statement from the Iraqi Prime Minister’s media office.
The foreign ministry called Turkey’s move “an incursion,” stressing that the military operation had not been coordinated with the Iraqi government.
According to a Reuters source, the US-led anti-Islamic State coalition was aware of the Turkey's move.https://www.rt.com/news/324787-turkish-troops-deployed-iraq/
Posted by: harry law | Dec 5 2015 0:07 utc | 21
@10 The Houthis are seriously kicking Saudi ass in Yemen. They are fearless and well disciplined. This link has a selection of videos showing their style.
http://www.russiadefence.net/t3118p870-yemeni-conflict-news#140299
They totally demolish armoured Saudi positions. They destroy all armoured vehicles, taking only what they can carry and move on to the next target on foot. The Saudis have the best hardware oil money can buy. The Houthis? They turn up in dishdashas, wearing flipflop or even barefoot, carrying weapons dating back to Mauser rifles and WW II hand grenades.
Here is a typical video. The action starts about 10:00 after an approach over a rockfield. At 18:20 a barefoot guy hurls a WW II grenade into the armoured compound on the hilltop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mchEn9bG_Bg
It isn't surprising that the Saudis have resorted to dropping cluster bombs in Saudi territory in an attempt to stop the rout.
https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2015/12/04/saudi-clusterbombs/
Posted by: Yonatan | Dec 5 2015 0:16 utc | 22
@Pat Bateman@18
And so it begins..
I posted the below comment re: Iraq yesterday in the former thread, today's events seem to confirm my disquieting thoughts.
Iran and Syria are now under the S-300 umbrella of protection. When is Iraq going to break out from under the empire hold on its sovereignty, and join the Arc of Resistance fully?
For Iraq is getting to be too late to make a decision that will avoid breaking up the country, or a prolongation of the war and the sectarian violence for time to come. Iraq's corruption, political infighting and inability to consolidate their ruling government, opened the gates of hell for all kind of forces hellbent on breaking it into pieces. Their sitting on the fence policy vis-a-vis the US was Iraq's greatest strategic mistake. The US ate them from inside.
‘Hostile act:’ Iraqi PM denounces US ground forces deployment on Iraq’s territory
Iraq has not requested that any country send ground troops into its territory and will regard any such move as a “hostile act,” the country’s prime minister, Haider Al-Abadi, said in view of a US decision to deploy special forces in the country.Iraq “will consider any country sending ground combat forces a hostile act and will deal with it on this basis,” Al-Abadi said in a statement published by the prime minister’s office on Thursday, adding that “the Iraqi government is committed to not allowing the presence of any ground force on the land of Iraq.”
“The Iraqi government confirms its firm and categorical rejection of any action of this kind issued by any country [that] violates our [Iraq’s] national sovereignty,”Al-Abadi also said in the statement.
Baghdad “did not request any side... to send ground forces to Iraq,” he added, thus refuting reports that the Iraqi government had called for deployment of foreign troops to help Iraqi forces fight Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS?ISIL).
Iraq does not need any foreign forces from any state or international coalition, it only needs weapons, ammunition and training from its partners and allies in the fight against IS, the prime minister’s statement says [...]
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 0:29 utc | 23
China adds seven secondhand words in support of Russia in Syria. Obama/Erdogan must be quaking in their boots.
China backs Russian ant-terror campaign in Syria, calls for global support
As for Russia’s strikes against terrorist organizations in Syria, we have also expressed our support previously ...
@21, @23 Things do seem to be coming to a head in Iraq ... whose country? The Iraqis? or the 'US-led anti-Islamic State coalition's?
@22 Yemen's Houthis Attack Saudi Arabia's Najran and Jizan
Posted by: jfl | Dec 5 2015 1:19 utc | 24
Excellent point by b on the Turkmen. I read a report wherein the actual Turkmen native to the region where the Russian jet was shot down condemned al-Nusra for taking over their village and raining war down upon them. The Turkmen of Syria are victims of USA/KSA/NATO/Turkey just as are the rest of Syria.
Posted by: jfl | Dec 5 2015 1:23 utc | 25
@Yonatan@22
Many, many thanks for sharing those videos with us. The heroic Yemeni people will take down the arrogant, corrupt, criminal Saudi regime.
Long live the heroic Yemeni people!!!
Down with the Saudi beasts!!!
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 1:34 utc | 26
@24 jfl
Thanks for the link. I supplied a link of Putin and XI together at the latest climate conference saying the same thing. Glad to hear it repeated.
I cut China slack over boots on the ground. I think they are the nuke backup to the Russians. I also see them as taking the lead on the enemy behind the wars, the world of private finance.
I am not the strategist for any in this current game for all the marbles but am certainly observant of pressures to the world of private finance that I haven't seen in the 45+ years I have been watching..........and waiting. I am hopeful that the world of private finance is almost over and sovereign finance engendering better social decision making will ensue. It can't happen soon enough for me to end the suffering and enhance the future of our species.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 5 2015 1:53 utc | 27
The Syrian Turkmen so loved by their Turkish siblings should quickly join their master in Turkey. Turkey has burnt them, they are hated by just everybody. They have no more future in Syria.
Posted by: virgile | Dec 5 2015 2:35 utc | 28
Open thread subject, yesyes, I know "DailyMail"??
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US officials have handed information to Pakistani authorities linking Tashfeen Malik to country's notorious Red Mosque
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Posted by: shadyl | Dec 5 2015 2:48 utc | 29
The Russian pilot whose plane was shot down by Turkey reportedly died from eight bullet wounds.
Lt-Col Oleg Peshkov - who was buried yesterday - was hit by gunfire after he ejected from his stricken Su-24 bomber, it is claimed.
Turkmen or "moderate" rebels, Russia will avenge this killing.
Russian news outlet Izvestia reported: 'Forensic experts have proved that Oleg Peshkov died from eight bullet wounds which hit his inner organs.
Posted by: virgile | Dec 5 2015 2:53 utc | 30
What is the origin of the Bernardino killer? Pakistani? His wife is confirmed to be a pakistani living in Saudi Arabia.
Both are victims of the powerful 'Wahabbi' virus they caught in Saudi-funded medresseh and mosques.
Who will find the cure or the vaccin?
Posted by: virgile | Dec 5 2015 2:57 utc | 31
@virgile #30:
It's funny how the headline reads "Russian jet 'kills family in their car'", but there are only photos of a burning oil tanker.
Hopefully there are enough flames in those photos for most people. When someone linked last week to a video of lorries getting bombed, people here complained that there was little damage.
@virgile #30:
It's funny how the headline reads "Russian jet 'kills family in their car'", but there are only photos of a burning oil tanker.
Hopefully there are enough flames in those photos for most people. When someone linked last week to a video of lorries getting bombed, people here complained that there was little damage.
Extensive oil and gas deposits in Golan Heights and offshore in N. Syria
Posted by: Les | Dec 5 2015 3:11 utc | 34
@jfl@24&25
China adds seven secondhand words in support of Russia in Syria. Obama/Erdogan must be quaking in their boots.
Thanks for your link on China's support for Russia's campaign in Syria, that is reassuring. Even though I knew the Chinese were supporting the Syrian campaign in the background, there have been many posters requesting Chinese "boots-on-the-ground" in Syria, or Chinese bombers joining Russia's air campaign. My intuition, based on China-Russia rapprochement, military collaboration and strategic weapons development, has been the Chinese are Russia's strategic reserve, ready to jump in when needed.
Excellent point by b on the Turkmen. I read a report wherein the actual Turkmen native to the region where the Russian jet was shot down condemned al-Nusra for taking over their village and raining war down upon them. The Turkmen of Syria are victims of USA/KSA/NATO/Turkey just as are the rest of Syria.
b has been on a roll lately, keeping his finger on the hot spots, and giving us outstanding information, news, and perspective on the current axis of the contradiction.
I wonder if you can get your hands on that report you read re: Turkmen blaming takfiris for the hell is raining upon them. I had the suspicion that was the case, but you're the first one to mention a report on it. If you can find it or point me in the direction to look, please let me know. Thanks in advance.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 4:29 utc | 35
@10 susetta
The original post of your in-place-expanded link is Israeli Colonel Caught with IS Pants Down, and it comes with links itself
[1] http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940730000210
[2] http://www.voltairenet.org/article188337.html
[a] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/opinion/sunday/imagining-a-remapped-middle-east.html?_r=0
[3] http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/15/putin-is-defeating-more-than-isis-in-syria/
[4] http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/02/19/un-report-reveals-how-israel-is-coordinating-with-isis-militants-inside-syria/
[5] http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-18/russia-explains-clueless-us-public-why-obama-cant-defeat-isis
[6] http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/25/israeli-colonel-caught-with-is-pants-down/
[7] http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/New-UN-report-reveals-collaboration-between-Israel-and-Syrian-rebels-383926
[8] http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missions/undof/background.shtm
[9] http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.685267
[10] http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.679315
[11] http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/26/genies-and-genocide-syria-israel-russia-and-much-oil-2/
I added [2a] myself because the map is interesting.
Reading in the second link of the coalition that destroyed Libya shrinking to just France and Turkey after the fact, and of Erdogan's subsequent, unsuccessful false flag sarin operation in Syria turned on the dim light bulb floating over my head : it was Erdogan and his Libyan crowd who were behind Friday the 13th in Paris.
Posted by: jfl | Dec 5 2015 4:52 utc | 36
@27 psycho @35 LW
My link to Xinhua was actually tongue in cheek ... seven words referring to the same seven words previously uttered by the Chinese. China has been courting the US/UK and the IMF - which talks of China's 'reform - but on Syria ... not so much. I dont expect Chinese boots on the ground in Syria, and I'm sure Russia does not either, but the Chinese do seem like cold comfort to me. Looking out for #1.
As I remember, the Turkmen remark was in a purported quote from a Turkmen villager on the ground in the region in question, shortly after Erdogan shot down the Russian plane, in a post at ... Fort Russ, maybe? I'll have a look myself. In any case it was a quote from an unamed Turkmen, maybe accompanied by another, both purporting to be from folks on the ground in Syria.
I think that 'Turkmen' covers Uyghurs and groups west, through the stans, right up to Anatolia. Relicts of the khans. Including the Chechans, and the 'Crimean Tatars' maybe? And that they are related chiefly by the fantasies of and are among the common targets of Erdogan, al-CIAduh, and Da'esh. The Syrian Turkmen are targets like any others, I suppose. I imagine that no more than 10% of any such victim populations are actual targets and fewer still actually take the bait, identify with the 'cause' enough to sign on. You have to be in pretty tough shape all around before a life of terror looks like an improvement. Although that's where the Saudi money comes in. Money is its own justification, it beatifies the rich. Once you have it, no one every asks how you got it. Everyone knows.
Posted by: jfl | Dec 5 2015 5:15 utc | 37
If anyone has found a link to an English - or the original German - report linked to @19 shadyl ... I'd love to see it.
The highly unusual spat between the [German] chancellery and foreign ministry on one side and the BND foreign intelligence service on the other hand erupted when the latter on Wednesday released a report accusing Saudi Arabia of a destabilising shift in foreign policy.
Posted by: jfl | Dec 5 2015 5:23 utc | 38
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Also recognize huge natural gas deposits offshore of Gaza, but Israelis and UK Oil have begun plans to extract them as if they belonged to Israel, because, you know, those historical maps of Palestine in university archives around the world were planted by Wahhabists to terrorize the Good People, the Liberators of Gaza, Golan and Syria, because They are the Forces for Good, and we can't let the natural resources of other sovereign states go to the Axis of Oeving.
You see, Adolf has been misunderstood in translation! He was just trying to keep all those SudatenLandt natural resources away from the Evil Commmies. Under the Engagement Rules of Bibi, Adolf and Koos de la Rey were saints.
Posted by: Chipnik | Dec 5 2015 5:28 utc | 39
More information on the fascist "Grey Wolves":
PAN-TURANIANISM:
http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/aazariINDEX.HTML
Posted by: READme | Dec 5 2015 7:26 utc | 40
38)
It is not a spat between BND and the German government - the government reaction is just for - dipolomatic - show. Part of German elite - represented by the FAZ paper - have gone on a crusade against Saudi Arabia.
FAZ commentary suggesting Saudi Arabia is using Pakistanis to aquire nuclear weapons
This here is the report on the BND analysis
This a background analysis on Saudi Arabia's role shortly before the BND report
Possibly it all started with this report - which was later denied by Saudi Arabia -
Saudi Arabia offers to build 200 mosques for refugees in Germany, the discussion on the integration of refugees and the Paris attack. It is obvious that "radical Islam" is "Saudi funded Islam".
Posted by: somebody | Dec 5 2015 7:33 utc | 41
@31 virgile quote "Both are victims of the powerful 'Wahabbi' virus they caught in Saudi-funded medresseh and mosques. Who will find the cure or the vaccine?" good question.. the poison has been spread far and wide, and as @41 somebody post notes - they want to continue to spread it.. saudi arabia and it's poisonous ideology needs to be taken down.. according to the usa - saudi arabia is their partner in getting rid of terrorism/isis... it's a really lousy lie as most everyone is seeing thru this..
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2015 7:51 utc | 42
Shady Lady @29, Daily Mail is helping to build up a fictional event by giving you "character development" on alleged perpetrators. No one was killed in this hoax. On the first video at this site, see the earliest footage, now scrubbed because it's so unconvincing. As the "victims" are walked out & laid down, no one is in pain & no one bleeds. Then skip down to the 4th video & watch the director send the ambulance away.
http://winteractionables.com/?p=28206
They are going to give you an entire story-line on the perps, complete w incriminating facebook accounts, and all manner of detail to convince you. If you will just LOOK at these very short vid clips you won't be fooled.
Posted by: Penelope | Dec 5 2015 8:56 utc | 43
About the perpetrators:
“Where the couple was found, from what I understand, is that they were handcuffed, lying face-down in this truck, shot up.”
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/attorney-family-san-bernardino-shooting-official-story-implausible-doesnt-add-up/
About the victims:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-victims-htmlstory.html
Can't anybody check this out?
These are real people?
Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 5 2015 9:34 utc | 44
Who has real sovereignty over Iraq? "US looks to circumvent Iraqi PM's objection on new troops".
An ally to the Prime Minister almost admitted the US had when he said.."Key Iraqi MP Sami Askari, an ally of Abadi, suggested in the future this could be accomplished by just not making public statements, saying the US could easily add 100 or even 500 troops at a time “without anyone rejecting it” so long as they weren’t making high-profile announcements".http://news.antiwar.com/2015/12/04/us-looks-to-circumvent-iraqi-pms-objection-on-new-troops/
Posted by: harry law | Dec 5 2015 9:41 utc | 45
@ 45 harry law Who has real sovereignty over Iraq?
Ask Tromp
His answer (from 05:50): ISIS and Iran
10:45 Alex Jones asks him about Putin
Trump: I think I can get along very well with him
Alex Jones & Donald Trump Bombshell Full Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJqLAleEnKw
Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 5 2015 10:17 utc | 46
Fabius: Transition can occur with Assad in place
French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius has said he no longer believes that Bashar al-Assad's departure is necessary before any political transition in Syria.His comments appeared in an interview published this morning.
"A united Syria implies a political transition.
"That does not mean that Bashar al-Assad must leave even before the transition, but there must be assurances for the future," he told the French regional newspaper Le Progres.
Seems like Fabius is having enough with the regime change (for now at least). Could the recent comment by Kerry, that ISIS would be defeated within a few months if Assad steps down, have been directed to the French?
Posted by: never mind | Dec 5 2015 10:20 utc | 47
This has become a game of billard now.
Those Russian maps with oil tankers.
Iraqui Kurds say oil tankers belong to KRG
But KRG says it does not mix its oil with Islamic State
Duh.
Posted by: somebody | Dec 5 2015 10:41 utc | 48
South Front's Foreign Policy Diary - Escalation in Syria leads to a global war is revealing of Russia's ... someone's ... thinking ...
It seems that Turkey and the US and its triumvirate of vassals (the three stooges) are all in on the reinvasion of Iraq - in order to secure a piece of Iraq for themselves when its all over ... according to their plans, at least, because it seems likely that Iraq will not oppose its invasion by Turkey, the US and droogies. I suppose the poor Iraqis are used to it by now ... and Russia will not directly oppose the US. China is MIA ... as she has been for the duration.
So, Syria and Russia and Hezbollah ... how can Iran help any longer if NATO occupies Iraq? ... will have to keep the terrorists out of Syria by themselves. But ... how can Russia guarantee resupply of her forces in Syria if NATO closes Iraqi airspace?
Either the NATO reoccupation of Iraq is deterred ... or it looks bad for the good guys. And all of us.
According to this point of view.
Posted by: jfl | Dec 5 2015 11:06 utc | 49
Wow! The Chinese are worse than MIA is the Middle East ...
Critics: Chinese Migrants in Israel Will Be Denied Basic Rights
The Israeli cabinet in September finalized a decisoin to bring in workers from China in help fast-track the building of new homes, a move that trade unions and human rights organizations in both Israel and China are now demanding be annulled.The Association for Civil Rights in Israel, the Workers Advice Center trade union, the Workers Hotline and the Hong Kong Confederation of Trade Unions (HKCTU) argue deal was approved without the precondition of a bilateral trade agreement, which would be overseen by the International Organization for Migration – and provide for better protection of migrant workers’ rights.
“The deal, as it stands, will allow Israel to recruit 20,000 Chinese construction workers via private recruitment agencies,” according to a joint statement from the groups. “In order to pay the exorbitant commissions charged by these agencies, Chinese workers will have to commit to massive loans before entering the country,” it notes, “making them more vulnerable to exploitation and abusive employment practices, without protection under Israeli labor law.
... makes Erdogan's stab look like a pat on the back compared to this. The Plutocrats' Republic betrays at one go the Palestinians and exploits the Chimese people, Unbelievable.
USrael + China to rule the world?
Posted by: jfl | Dec 5 2015 11:21 utc | 50
TIAA ... Russia’s Dollar Exit Takes Major New Step
A Russian-Chinese alternative to the dollar in the form of a gold-backed ruble and gold-backed renminbi or yuan, could start a snowball exit from the US dollar, and with it, a severe decline in America’s ability to use the reserve dollar role to finance her wars with other peoples’ money. That could just give the interests in favor of a world at peace a huge advantage over that warring lost hegemon, the United States.
... but it's all on paper. And it looks like Russia's Eastern partner is just exactly as reliable as Russia's Western partner.
Posted by: jfl | Dec 5 2015 11:36 utc | 51
@jfl@37&38&50
My link to Xinhua was actually tongue in cheek ...
Gotcha. That doesn't change my opinion about the geopolitical/military division of work between the Russian and the Chinese. IMHO, Russia took the West, China took the East, but if shit hit the fan, they will watch each other's back. Once that hour comes, we will see, in the meantime...
Fort Russ, maybe?.
Thanks.
... makes Erdogan's stab look like a pat on the back compared to this. The Plutocrats' Republic betrays at one go the Palestinians and exploits the Chimese people, Unbelievable.
China's policies in the ME are not different than in Africa, when they commingle with dictators, petty tyrants, and crooks of all kind. If the Chinese end up going to help Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine, it will be a real shame, they will place themselves on the wrong side of history. Thanks for the scoop.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 13:53 utc | 53
@jfl@37&38&50
My link to Xinhua was actually tongue in cheek ...
Gotcha. That doesn't change my opinion about the geopolitical/military division of work between the Russian and the Chinese. IMHO, Russia took the West, China took the East, but if shit hit the fan, they will watch each other's back. Once that hour comes, we will see, in the meantime...
Fort Russ, maybe?.
Thanks.
... makes Erdogan's stab look like a pat on the back compared to this. The Plutocrats' Republic betrays at one go the Palestinians and exploits the Chimese people, Unbelievable.
China's policies in the ME are not different than in Africa, when they commingle with dictators, petty tyrants, and crooks of all kind. If the Chinese end up going to help Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine, it will be a real shame, they will place themselves on the wrong side of history. Thanks for the scoop.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 13:53 utc | 54
I've done nothing to double post, have no links in my post, no trouble posting at first try, server is acting up.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 14:12 utc | 55
@never mind
Fabius has got the OK from the Gulf countries to change France's stand on Bashar al Assad. The proof that the Saudis are been squeezed to accept that Bashar al Assad stays in power is reflected clearly in their positive position about Lebanon's new presidential candidate: Suleyman Frangie is pro-syria, pro-hezbollah and a childhood friend if Bashar al Assad.
In addition, the Saudis were 'advised' by the USA that they should dump the Turkey's supported opposition during the 'unification' meeting they are planning for the opposition.
It seems that the Saudis are looking for a face saving exit from Syria.
Posted by: virgile | Dec 5 2015 14:37 utc | 56
CarlD
"pron" or more usually "pr0n" is internet slang for p-o-r-n.
It started to be written this way to defeat filters but became so popular that it is now slang. Even some dictionary now show this definition.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 5 2015 14:45 utc | 57
@CarlD@52
What does "war pron" mean?
I would have to see the context to know for sure, but I guess there is a typo in "pron" and whoever wrote it meant "prone," as in "war prone," which means having the tendency to make war. The other meaning of "prone" is facing downward, but I don't think that applies when combined with "war."
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 14:49 utc | 58
In yet another macho-man, populist, recent speech, Erdogan dismissed Russian threat of cutting-off gas stating Turks are accustomed to suffering and didn't live with gas until recently. Now the head of MHP, an opposition party, is calling for Erdogan to heat up the presidential palace with dry cow dung.
Party Leader Asks Erdogan to Replace Russian Gas with "Dung" for Heating Presidential Palace
TEHRAN (FNA)- Head of Turkey's Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) Devlet Bahçeli strongly criticized President Recep Tayyip Erdogan for downplaying the repercussions of a probable cut of Russia's gas supplies to Turkey, and sarcastically proposed Erdogan to use "dried cow dung" for heating his place of residence."The presidential palace should be heated by burning dried cow dung, and the government may then come to share the Turkish people's sufferings," Bahçeli said.
Bahçeli's remarks came after President Erdogan said in response to the reporters' persistent questions on the impacts of a possible gas supply cut by Russia that Turks are used to pains and sufferings.
Speculations are high on both sides that Russia would embark on cutting off gas supplies to Turkey as a result of a row between the two countries over the downing of Russia's Su-24 fighter jet by two Turkish F-16 warplanes over Syrian sky on November 24.
“The people of this country have suffered enough; it is easy to talk, go ahead and share the people's suffering by burning cow dungs in stoves to heat your presidential palace," Bahçeli added.
Erdogan had also said that Turkish people have not lived with natural gas in their whole lives, and stressed that Turkey can survive without burning gas.
"Moreover, we will not be doomed if we cannot get Russian gas,” he added [...]
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 15:03 utc | 59
@59 That's a lot of bullshit...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/01/world/europe/erdogan-uses-conflict-to-consolidate-power.html?_r=0
Posted by: dh | Dec 5 2015 15:07 utc | 60
@CarlD@52
Again, without seeing the context, I can't tell for sure, but I think Jackrabbit@57 is probably correct.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 15:08 utc | 61
@dh@60
@59 That's a lot of bullshit...
Hope they have enough cows...
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 15:11 utc | 62
@Lone Wolf $61:
without seeing the context
There is no point in speculating unless you see the context, and that is easy to do by doing a text search.
"War porn" is a common term at MoA (I was introduced to it by Noirette), and the phrase "war pron" was used repeatedly by Chipnik, who never misses an opportunity to show how clever he is. Using "pron" instead of "porn" let Chipnik show how hip he is, by using leet. (Unfortunately, the correct leet spelling of "porn" is "pr0n". Fail.)
@#55:
server is acting up.
The first thing to do when your computer doesn't behave as you expect it to is to remove Windows from it.
States have been approving use of medical marijuana en masse and is being used by politicians like Bernie Sanders to advance an agenda of a national marijuana legalization campaign as an election year vote getting promise. :thumbsdown:
Marijuana is being sold to the public as a [B]magic panacea[/B] to relieve anxiety, manic depression, arthritis, back pain, nerve damage, schizophrenia, borderline social personality, major mood disorders, cancer, nausea and a host of unproven even speculative cures like Lupus.
One Doctor, a Dr. Breen in Orange County, California has the audacity to sell this false hope of relief to Lupus patients, and those who suffer its horrible consequences, - as I do the author of this post - Monster Zero (me). I've had Lupus since 2009 and it has an insidious onset of joint and muscle pain, (I writhed in agony in bed crying myself to sleep for a year before being diagnosed and treated with Plaquenil) from head to toe as your immune system falsely perceives healthy tissues as diseased, and your immune system attacks your healthy tissues vigorously - and is one ruthlesss attack dog when in comes to eradicating its real (or in this case false enemy) - your healthy muscles and joints. Lupus also makes sunlight and car headlights unbearable, and a painful experience to leave the house even with sunglasses and at sunset. :cry:
Falsehood Extravaganza - A Big B.S. Lupus marijuana article here:
[B][U]Dr. Breen Discusses Marijuana and Lupus[/U][/B]
[url]http://www.medicaljane.com/2013/01/07/lupus-and-medical-marijuana/[/url]
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[B]My first hand experience view:[/B] As a sufferer of a work spine injury (lifitng a solid steel booth for a company trade show by myself under a doctor supervision who was also my manager!) also i have Lupus, cervical spondylosis, lumbar facet and joint disc degeneration, rheumatoid arthritis, myofascial pain syndrome, R/L patellofemoral pain syndrome, R/L rotor cuff strains, spasms and fasiculations in the dozens per day, and osteoporosis. After failed lumbar injections, a failed facet rhizotimy of 8 cauterized lumbar nerves, accupuncture, aqua therapy, ultrasound heat therapy, ice, hot baths, walking, weight bearing exercise, and traditional modes of stretching and rehab attempts - :sick:
I testify the following about medical marijuana:
[B]Pros:[/B]
None
[B]Cons:[/B]
1. [B]Cost:[/B] annual $100.00 license fee paid like a DMV registration, the weed itself costs $50.00 to $100.00 for 3.5 to 7 grams, a minimum $50.00 purchase is required in California for weed delivery. Some accept credit cards, many deal in cash only. (and advertised as a non-profit industry no less) Not ideal for the disabled poor. Its more like a luxury for the wealthy in Palos Verdes, Newport Beach, and Coto de Caza!
2. [B]No pain relief,[/B] increases back pain, causes anxiety, doesn't relieve it, no relief of nausea, nerve pain, muscle pain, or arthritis, worsens effects of disc degeneration, [B]it actually nullifies positive pain relief of traditional pain relievers, vicodin, percocet, tylenol 3, and muscle relaxers, also counter acts postive effects of Plaquenil Lupus medicine, and anti-inflammatory drugs.[/B]
3. [B]This medical marijuana is being vigorously marketed and aggressively advertised to younger and younger people[/B] thru hip hop/rap culture, Snoop Dog and Kat Williams, Hollywoods Family Guy, Cleveland Show, American Dad, Cartoon Network Adult Swim, Seth Rogen and James Franco movies, Daily Show, Bill Maher, progressive liberal media radio (Pacifica Radio Stations, KBOO Portland, Progressive Voices on TuneIn.com, Norman Goldman, GCNs Power Hour and NetRoots Radio) and Common Dreams/ Democracy Now websites, "grassroots" campaigns, stealth ballot measures, and without the proper peer reviewed process. Also these marijuana campaigns eclipse traditional medical endorsement of family therapy, exercise, social groups, and consistent persistent use of professionally trained specialists in the areas of these acute diseases who are adept at treating the many ailments allegedly being "solved" or "relieved" by the false promise of medical marijuana. This dependance on smoked or eaten cannabis in itself will inevitably induce emotional, physical and spiritual ailments of their own, curtailing human beings naturally effective cognitive learning capacity and coping skills to deal with pain in a natually growth oriented and sustainable behavioral method, while the "non profit" cannabis medical industry cashes in on extending the patients misery and lack of real progress. Professional family therapists are there to successfully help you recognize fruitful introspection and coping methods when dealing with chronic serious illness!
4. [B]Medical marijuana is being used as a banner for bogus sloganeering on Liberal talk radio/websites to denigrate traditional and proven methods of insurance coverage and medical practitioners[/B] whose credentials are respected and proven to be effective, sincere and meet the highest professional standards of care in America today, even as Lupus is incurable and many back pain sufferers experience severe and prolonged intractable episodes of agony and horrific lifestyle challenges of disability, after many failed surgical techniques and rehab procedures. This is a deceitful vote getting rallying cry for the Progressive Left to garner support for false hope and get monetary donations to Democrat leaning or Liberal groups.
5.[B]Medical marijuana is also being used as a form of banner sloganeering on Liberal talk radio/websites to falsely destroy the image and further denigrate the pharmaceutical industry[/B] as being a monolithic and evil entity whose intent is to profit while leaving Americans to suffer. This is another deceitful vote getting rallying cry for the Progressive Left to further deceive a willing, if naive public, eager to throw money at false hopes and at dubious causes to fund Democrat radio and candidates, indy websites, liberal fund drives and kickstart campaigns and fundraising liberal media gimmicks and to bolster their incessant need for some trendy political buzzwords to espouse to the herd, and keep their voting base in the Democrat Party tent, and to appear more "progressive" than Republicans. It is a false belief, take it from me, a life long Progressive/Liberal. Big Pharma has had its share of mistakes and corruption, but cannabis is worse. Idiotic Liberal radio host Mike Malloy had recently as two weeks ago endorsed Medical marijuana as a panacea over prescription pain killers as he had never suffered serious back injury, or serious chronic pain but was content to make a blanket condemnation of opiate pain relievers, as well as other traditional doctors methods and insurance practitioners. Truly misleading, false and damaging information is being given to the chronically ill and dangerous advice is being given to the uneducated and unwary Liberal listeners. Mike Malloys only "evidence" of this broad lie was word of mouth from a couple "friends."
6. [B]Potency and quality of the marijuana.[/B] In your parents 1960's and 70's flower children and hippie peace anti-war era, a coffee can circle "lid" of brown or green weed costed 5 bucks and had about 4-8 percent THC levels. Todays medical weed has 25-30 percent THC levels advertised on menus that are found in California delivery dispenaries like the Orange County website "Papa Ganja," a popular Southern California service for legally licensed patients making false promises of "great body effects" (numbness for severe pain patients) or "great for anxiety" false promises on its web menu, along with high cost brownies, hashish products and oils, as well as lesser strength weed of 10 percent or less. However, a quick study of weed delivery services in Southern California from a website called "Weed Maps" (endorsed by Dr. Breen above whom I met personally in his office when he issued my legal weed license) shows the majority of marijuana delivery services pushing the stronger 25 to 30 percent variety of stronger hybrid cannabis and at the highest premium cost. Most of the weed is so potent the patient is left nearly catatonic, too high to fumble around the house without stumbling into walls, unable to get minute amount of house chores done because aside from the overbearing intoxciation and hallucinogenic properties (one strain of weed had me seeing walls moving and seeing shadow and light waves or breathing so shallow and rapid as to torture an already devastastingly sick Lupus patient) marjuana offers no pain relief to wash the dishes, or clean the bathroom, or do laundry, the lightest home chores. This patient found no relief even in the 10 minute task of a quick shower! Finally despite the lies and false advertising "bait and switch" (weed does nothing for patients long term depression or anxiety aside from a hour long pathological hysterical laughter about nothing) on Medical marijuana selling websites, which promise flowery aromas and overtly pleasant taste, most weed tastes like burning jet fuel that scorches your throat wanting the pateint to grab for a cold Coke or a cup of hot Lipton tea.
7. [B]Potent Weed Side Effects and Dangers Are No Joke. This stuff is dangerous! A red flag for law enforcement police help shut this down please! [/B] These high potentcy weed 15, 18, 25 and 35 perecnt THC sativa and weed hybrids cause dangerous levels of heart racing, body tremors, hallucinations, paranoia, shivers, chills, hot flashes and even intestinal discomfort as well as urinary tract and prostate issues. A waiver must be signed at the marijuana clinic before the patients license is issued waiving full reponsibility for ANY and ALL possible illness contracted from the weed itself and marijuana doctors make patients sign this form after reviewing the clients medical proof and medical record so that they will not be held liable in the event of patients severe side effects or illness from the Medical marijuana products. I personally tried 3 versions of weed and 5, 15 and 25 percent THC levels all which made me ill, made back pain worse, were returned for refund and one bag flushed down the toilet.
8. [B]Law enforcement:[/B] Many progressive and independant reports of FBI raids or abusive behavior by police of legal clinics or raids into dispensaries near schools have caused concern or 'outrage' among suffering cancer vicitms or people who need treatment and have limited access to alternative medicine. While this contradictory behavior of FBI/DEA/ local police undermining legal State marijuna laws is unjustified or even illegal - it is the opinion of this Lupus and work injury patient that Law enforcement close down medical marijuana clinics of all kinds, delivery dispenaries, co-ops, so called "non-profits," and that aggressive campaigns to invalidate State ballot measures and put the kibosh on the false premise of medical marijuana once and for all before it becomes a Federal mandate or law as promised by the Presidential Candiate Bernie Sanders. Alcohol abuse causes enough traffic deaths, illness and injury, as it is, along with cell phone use while driving ,this weed causes further mental illness and destruction of families. I endorse a call to action by police unions to reverse any and all efforts to legalization of drugs, weed, cocaine, etc. We can make streets and communities safer by closing down or limiting bar districts, and relieve stressed modern lives by making cigarettes cheaper. Marijuana is a dangerous drug at these THC levels and destroys the family unit, makes bank accounts insolvent, causes crime and theft like other drug addictions do.
[B]Have Faith in your American System of Health Care, Traditional Doctors and Hospitals, Insurers, Nursing Staff They Care And Are There To Help ![/B] :flagus:
[B]Final Comment:[/B] There are limits to incurable ailments, and if you suffer with frusteration (my last ObamaCare insurance monthly payment was $600.00 before I qualified for public assistance) and lack of results, i encourage you to try other doctors, 2nd and 3rd opinions, keep good medical records and films of xrays and MRIs, be assertive and different, be articulate, trust peer reviewed sites like eMedicine, GoodRX, and Mayo Clinic (not just commercialized WebMD) dont be afraid to reject a doctors experimental ideas, avoid TV ad quick emotional appeals, or doctors steadfast stubornness, change doctors if they are inflexible, complain about lack of results to insurance member services, try other insurance firms, compliment staff wgen appropriate, send thank you cards, be courteous and patient, even more second opinions, social services or the dept of managed care, be proud to work within the system of professionally trained traditional medicine and your peristence will pay off. Dont give up hope, use meditation,( Zen Mind Beginners Mind, by Suzuki), candles, aroma-therapy, pray even if you're an unbeliever.
:thumbsup:
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[FONT=Palatino Linotype][SIZE=5]Please weigh in, we want to hear your testimony[/SIZE][/FONT]
[B]Please share your thoughts and experiences of medical marijuana as it relates to your specifc ailments.
Be sure to include any experience (positive or other wise) with traditonal insurance companies and practitioners of REAL MEDICINE as well as marijuana, home remedies, vitamin and herbal supplements, oriental herbs, accupuncture, or anything else you feel relates to alternative medicine.[/B]
Posted by: Jherek | Dec 5 2015 17:12 utc | 64
@ 44 From The Hague
(That's me, about San Bernardino)
I did some internet-research from here (Holland)
All those victims have strange backgrounds, doesn't make sense, I don't see real stories.
So a hoax is a serious possibility
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=125654
Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 5 2015 17:16 utc | 65
Trudeau talks a good game, and should have made a career in acting.
Canadian frigate Winnipeg is now in the Black Sea trying to stir up trouble along with some US ships.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151204/1031242193/nato-turkey-warships.html
Posted by: Mischi | Dec 5 2015 17:23 utc | 66
@Demian@63
Don't need your advice, didn't ask for it, don't waste bandwidth on wise-ass displays.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 17:29 utc | 67
German Left rightfully blast western war in Syria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNJfp_vt_CY
Posted by: Seder | Dec 5 2015 17:36 utc | 68
ot - "market in Eastern Ghouta, a suburb of Damascus, was hit by air strikes on Friday night, with the death toll rising to 53 on Saturday.." more fuel for getting rid of assad with the ongoing build up of foreign intervention? it's all about regime change ya know..
Posted by: james | Dec 5 2015 18:12 utc | 69
@Lone Wolf #67:
don't waste bandwidth
Who's wasting bandwidth? You made two posts on the meaning of "pron", which were both clueless.
And bringing up Windows is not a "wise-ass display". Microsoft's lock on the personal computer desktop is one of the few instances of soft power that the Empire has remaining. So by continuing to use Windows, you help prop up the Empire.
@Seder #68:
German Left rightfully blast western war in Syria
Ha, when I saw that, I had to follow the link to see if that was Sahra Wagenknecht, and indeed it was. My impression is that the reasonable non-Russophobic German left pretty much comes down to that one woman. There are a few other people from her party (die Linke) in the Bundestag, but I never see them blasting the Empire.
I've noticed that there is a tendency to post videos of her to YouTube and then say that that is the "German Left". If only that were so!
@Lone Wolf #67:
don't waste bandwidth
Who's wasting bandwidth? You made two posts on the meaning of "pron", which were both clueless.
And bringing up Windows is not a "wise-ass display". Microsoft's lock on the personal computer desktop is one of the few instances of soft power that the Empire has remaining. So by continuing to use Windows, you help prop up the Empire.
@Seder #68:
German Left rightfully blast western war in Syria
Ha, when I saw that, I had to follow the link to see if that was Sahra Wagenknecht, and indeed it was. My impression is that the reasonable non-Russophobic German left pretty much comes down to that one woman. There are a few other people from her party (die Linke) in the Bundestag, but I never see them blasting the Empire.
I've noticed that there is a tendency to post videos of her to YouTube and then say that that is the "German Left". If only that were so!
@Demian@71
So by continuing to use Windows, you help prop up the Empire.
I make it a policy to try never to make a complete idiot of myself twice in the same way. After all, there's always all kinds of new ways to make a complete idiot of myself. Why repeat the old ones?- Margot Dalton
It fits the fool....you can try new ways too, Demian.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 18:34 utc | 73
@Demian@70 & 71
So by continuing to use Windows, you help prop up the Empire.
I make it a policy to try never to make a complete idiot of myself twice in the same way. After all, there's always all kinds of new ways to make a complete idiot of myself. Why repeat the old ones?- Margot Dalton
It fits the idiot....you can try new ways too, wise-ass.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 18:43 utc | 74
@From The Hague@72
Lecturing China?
Naaah, they seem to be deaf and dumb. Their "intervention" in the ME appears heading in the wrong direction. Wonder if China is aware many of these 20,000 workers will carry work in occupied territory, building illegal settlements.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 18:53 utc | 76
@From The Hague@75
I was having an argument with another poster, it seems you have taken sides and joined the fray, uninvited. I've never traded a word with you, your abuse is uncalled for, only show the vulgar level you can stoop to, as you cannot insult me without my consent.
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 5 2015 19:17 utc | 77
Demian
I fully agree, its wrong to say "german left", this woman have more balls than 99% of the fake leftist parties of europe of today.
Posted by: Seder | Dec 5 2015 20:29 utc | 78
in re 71, 78 --
Other members of have spoken out, like Gregor Gysi on the Ukraine; this would be their official response. He's not quite as fresh and telegenic, perhaps, so this and Wagenknecht's abilities might account for her prominence.
Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 5 2015 20:49 utc | 79
@57
@58
@61
Thanks for your answers.
This is the context it was in:
"maybe we could rip away all the war pron chatter and reveal it for what it is:
"We won, you lost. It's just business, get over it. Now get back to your work center bunkhouse, before I call in a SWAT."
Posted by: Chipnik | Dec 4, 2015 5:15:46 PM | 16
Posted by: CarlD | Dec 5 2015 22:31 utc | 80
@64, this is a crock of shit:
Marijuana is a dangerous drug at these THC levels and destroys the family unit, makes bank accounts insolvent, causes crime and theft like other drug addictions do.
The National Institutes of Health determined in 1974 after President Ford ordered them to conduct a study that he hoped would bury the 'hippies' that marijuana is the "greatest anti-tumor drug known to man." Ford had the journal the paper was initially published in pulped, and reissued without the paper. Then all info removed from PUBMed, MedLine and all research hospitals, all national libraries.
Only institute that did not destroy the paper was the University of California at Davis. A UK marijuana site got a copy of it:
Antineoplastic activity of cannabinoids
http://www.ukcia.org/research/AntineoplasticActivityOfCannabinoids/index.php
Antineoplastic means the cancer doesn't spread. It stays localized. Localized cancers can be cured.
Two articles that provide info you can use to investigate from there.
http://www.alternet.org/story/9257/pot_shrinks_tumors%3B_government_knew_in_%2774
http://www.counterpunch.org/gardner05032008.html
Posted by: MRW | Dec 5 2015 22:57 utc | 81
@81 @82 MRW
I don't think there's a 'there' there @64 ... machine copy-paste operation without even fixing the formatting. Fake human interest bait above the fold. Wall of words below.
Posted by: jfl | Dec 5 2015 23:22 utc | 83
From the Hague-- thanks for being open-minded. "Cell phones in the trash bin" is what they used in Paris, to "trace" shooters from Bataclan Theatre to the city where they were killed by police. I guess you saw my post yesterday of the first Farook family lawyer story in the Daily Mail? He refers to Sandy Hook, tho stops short of saying it's a hoax. Thanks for your link http://thefreethoughtproject.com/attorney-family-san-bernardino-shooting-official-story-implausible-doesnt-add-up/ carrying the story further.
I gather from his comments that the lawyer hasn't seen the bodies. The link I gave above http://winteractionables.com/?p=28206 gives 4 or 5 videos w/in it. The last one has 2 anomalies: The male is apparently pulled out of the SUV because he is cuffed, face-down in the street. A pool of blood/fake blood is in the street a little distance away from the body, w no connection between the "body" and the blood. The muscles of the arms & especially the legs do not appear to me to be relaxed. The shoe on the near foot is missing, the other has a tennis shoe & to me, both legs appear tensed. Altho the scene is shown over a period of time, the female body is never seen.
Both front windows of the SUV are partially broken, but the police scanner & helicopter newsman on the video say that the police are "taking fire" from this parked SUV. That's how the gunbattle began. So the "perps" fired at the police thru their closed windows?! Throughout the "gunbattle" the image shown by the helicopter shows no protruding gunbarrel from the SUV, indicating that they were using handguns. So how can we explain that the windows are rolled up but w large broken areas? The perps must have rolled down the windows, shot at police, then rolled them back up & the police fire broke the windows w answering fire while the video shows that the SUV sat parked. They don't seem to have wanted to escape, since they travelled only a couple miles during the 3 hours after the "massacre."
Your question regarding whether the names/photos of the "victims" correspond to real people: I would think that if you go to the Social Security Death Index that you will find them there w the correct date. However, I doubt it is any longer an unimpeachable source. There is considerable evidence to cast doubt that "Adam Lanza", the Sandy Hook "shooter" ever existed, yet he is listed as having died the day BEFORE Sandy Hook. Seems a lot of the "incident" was filmed the day before at a drill and the person charged with entering his "death" didn't realize that it was the next day that was to be considered "live".
There is a slightly amusing aside to this. On the "live" day I listened to the police scanner as officers went into the school. At the moment of finding his body the officer who was live on the radio was engaged in official-sounding radio communication, but another officer in the background can be heard saying, "Thus ends the life of Adam Lanza." The manner in which he said it was like you would say, "Thus dies the soprano" after watching the deathbed scene in which she sings lustily for 10 minutes. That is, in a quite satirical manner. Not to mention the fact that they did not yet know his name, since he had his brother's identification.
But, to return to San Bernardino "victims", you would have to do considerable investigation. Since there are photos and names, some probably did work for the govt in the positions specified and by the names given. They will need a change of locale & name. Probably some can be shown not to have worked for whatever group was having its party (which has been changed to a meeting?) that day. In Sandy Hook, we know compensation was through a payoff of second mortgages-- all anonymously, and all on Christmas Day, when Title companies were closed. Another route for compensation was receipt of huge donations from the public, although advertising online for donations for the loss of your child is a bit strange.
For San Bernardino, I notice that donations are already figuring prominently. Some images & names are probably anomalous. This is not as difficult as you think. If your photo w the face made slightly wider & aged subtly appeared in France w a different name, would you be aware of it? Some of the hoaxers might become "crisis actors", as there seems to be very little attempt to disguise these. They go from crisis to crisis incident and are paid handsomely. Only a small segment of the alternative community documents this. In Sandy Hook the childrens' real names were not used, nor were the few families we were shown their real families. The pictures in at least 11 cases were of real, living children but taken several years previously. In this way a child several years older and with a different name is not likely to be recognized.
In San Bernardino, judging from the people shown in the first video of the winteractionables link, people travelled "from all over Southern California" to attend a Christmas party on a weekday while wearing very nondescript clothing. The party was said to be for govt employees. The shooter inspected restaurants, so would've worked for the Dept of Health; two of the "victims" bios say they worked for the Dept of Environment so perhaps the party at which Farooq quarrelled w someone was for the two departments. For a good researcher there are probably a few names and faces that can't be found in the relative directories/ employment records, but who's going to bother?
From the Hague, there is an immense budget-- much of it paid by taxpayers and tax-free foundations-- to disarm Americans. They've bought the media, the Congress & the Presidency. What makes you think they can't buy some crisis actors or produce hoaky snapshots "in a good cause in which no one is hurt"?
Posted by: Penelope | Dec 6 2015 0:20 utc | 84
Jherek @ 64,
Medical marijuana isn't relevant for me, though I notice neighbors growing it freely so perhaps Clifornia doesn't care about it if you grow it for your own use. I want to thank you Jherek for writing about this because I don't see how else people are going to get the info they need.
I personally have had only a mild case of chronic pain relieved, but I know of someone who had much greater pain relieved by using Natural Thyroid (Nature-Throid) instead of Synthroid. Plus upping the dose a little and adding Iodoral, an iodine supplement. People have no idea how important thyroid and iodine are, nor of the insults in the food/water supply which are partially overcome by this regimen. The book is Hypothyroidism Type 2 by Mark Starr. The tests for thyroid deficiency aren't any good, so you can be deficient & not know it. Before the tests existed, good doctors prescribed based on symptoms & increased til they got relief from symptoms. Of course, doctors used to know more about signs & symptoms than they do now. If you have chronic fatigue or chronic pain, read the book; this might be it.
PS: Taking iodine pills makes your TSH altered for about 6 months, then it normalizes again-- so don't alter the dose because of this false cue.
Posted by: Penelope | Dec 6 2015 0:27 utc | 85
From the Hague, On second viewing, the SUV windows do NOT have big holes; those are only reflections.
So the perps managed to fire at the police thru closed windows and without breaking the glass-- except for holes the size of bullets in the windshield. I understand there's a tape that is applied to give this effect for these hoaxes-- avoids having to replace the windshield. Exchange of gunfire w just those freckles in the windshield, two front windows intact & rolled up. From the positions of the cop cars in the video, this doesn't make a lot of sense.
Posted by: Penelope | Dec 6 2015 0:41 utc | 86
@Penelope,
this post is about Erdogan, Turkmen, Chechnya and Saudi Arabia, what the heck marihuana and san bernardino have to do with this?
Please, report those off-topic, disruptive, verborragic things on your own blog. Thanks!!!!
Posted by: citizen X | Dec 6 2015 3:33 utc | 87
Posted by: jfl | Dec 5, 2015 6:36:20 AM | 51
"A Russian-Chinese alternative to the dollar in the form of a gold-backed ruble and gold-backed renminbi or yuan, could start a snowball exit from the US dollar"
Return to a gold standard – don’t even think about it
Gold standard and fixed exchange rates – myths that still prevail
Posted by: c | Dec 6 2015 8:15 utc | 88
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Posted by: jfl | Dec 5, 2015 6:36:20 AM | 51
"A Russian-Chinese alternative to the dollar in the form of a gold-backed ruble and gold-backed renminbi or yuan, could start a snowball exit from the US dollar"
An international currency? Hopefully not!
Posted on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 by bill
Today we consider the current debate about whether we need to return to fixed exchange rates and create a new reserve currency for the World – which might even be a supra-national currency. In general terms the calls for these …
Posted by: c | Dec 6 2015 8:21 utc | 89
@88 @89
What I found attractive in that post was "... a severe decline in America’s ability to use the reserve dollar role to finance her wars with other peoples’ money ..."
Could you comment on the 'correct' MMT action that would bring that about? And then forward your recommendation to the Russians and Chinese? Thanks.
Posted by: jfl | Dec 6 2015 9:43 utc | 90
Speaking about Dr. Sahra Wagenknecht, she is probably the most amazing female politician in the World. For years I admire her intelligence and straightforwardness, it doesnt harm she is beautiful as well. Too bad Western elites will never allow for her to be anything more than a fringe politician. To be on Top you need to serve the elites, not expose what they do.
Posted by: Harry | Dec 6 2015 10:07 utc | 91
@91 Harry 'Too bad Western elites will never allow for her to be anything more than a fringe politician. To be on Top you need to serve the elites, not expose what they do.'
That's the way it works out, but there is no real causal relation there. She would be on top if her party were on top. Her party would be on top if it received the votes required to put it on top. The votes required are given or denied by the German people.
How are the desires of the elite effected by the people? Ultimately the people vote as they are told to by the elite. The people are 'secretly' in league with the elite, for even after the elite has been exposed by the 'most amazing female politician in the World' they do not vote for her and her party. Same thing with Ralph Nader in the USA, for example.
We people are not voting for change because we fear losing what we think we have. We'd rather stick with the devil we (don't really) know than go with an alternative we are afraid of.
Ultimately the problem is that all we people are 'allowed' to do is surrender our power to this or that 'representative' and so, left powerless, we remain at the mercy of our own fears.
We people just need to pull up our socks and do what must be done : assert our sovereignty and govern ourselves. Apologies for the particular point of reference, but I am an American and so can only really deal with my own nation's history and resultant ill-health, but the basic hygenic prescription ... bottom-up management of society ... is applicable all the world around, according to me.
Posted by: jfl | Dec 6 2015 11:04 utc | 92
Posted by: jfl | Dec 6, 2015 4:43:23 AM | 90
stop exporting your valuable resources while impoverising and poisoning your population.
aim at the welfare and health of your own people using your own currency of which you can not run out of
Posted by: c | Dec 6 2015 14:09 utc | 93
Posted by: jfl | Dec 6, 2015 4:43:23 AM | 90
ask for payment in your own currency. it will appreciate fast if the buyers have to procure your coin on the exchange markets
Posted by: c | Dec 6 2015 14:13 utc | 94
@93 @94
Thanks, c ...
1. stop a) exporting your valuable resources b) while impoverising and poisoning your population.
Well the Russians are exporting valuable resourses, although I don't see them inpoverishing and poisoning their population, could you elaborate on b) please?
2. aim at the welfare and health of your own people using your own currency of which you can not run out
Well, I agree there. But there seems to be a large 'atlantic' component in Russia, a fifth column, that runs the central bank and is holding up the real implementation of ruble credit. I further agree if you are advocating that the Russians dismiss the present, Western dictated central bank structure and officers and restructure and restaff it with people who have the interests of Russians at heart.
3. ask for payment in your own currency. it will appreciate fast if the buyers have to procure your coin on the exchange markets
Yes, why not? Of course they'd have to continue exporting, contra 1 above, in order to do so.
These seem like good ideas, but they do not help bring about "... a severe decline in America’s ability to use the reserve dollar role to finance her wars with other peoples’ money ...".
How about refusing to pay their debts to the west in retaliation for the economic warfare the west has been waging openly against Russia for the past year and more? Michael Hudson notes that the IMF has just declared that it will lend to/support national economies which stiff non-dollarized creditors, so isn't it time for the non-dollarized national economies to stiff dollarized creditors in emulation of the IMF? Tit-for-tat?
I think the collapse of the western/atlantic banking system would go a long way towards bringing about "... a severe decline in America’s ability to use the reserve dollar role to finance her wars with other peoples’ money ...". What say you?
Posted by: jfl | Dec 10 2015 7:36 utc | 96
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thanks b.
we know the turkish gov't is lying... what we don't know is if any change is going to happen with regard to the wests position.. we will see change when they start reporting this.. until then - turkey is off the hook as far as the west is concerned.. i keep on reading countless stories of people coming forward in turkey disputing the official gov't position.. must have something to do with a very dis-enfranchised group of people within turkey - kuwho know if they keep pushing, the collective truth will come out.. thanks for more examples of this here.
Posted by: james | Dec 4 2015 20:18 utc | 1