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November 18, 2015

The Physicians For Human Rights "Report" on "Aleppo" Is A Scam

One of the organizations providing anti-Syrian propaganda is the U.S. based Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) which claims to be "Using science and medicine to stop human rights violations".

It used neither in its most recent pamphlet about "Aleppo" which fraudulently asserts that a tiny piece of the city is representative for all of it. The NYT short piece on that "report" says:

A New York-based human rights organization is accusing the Syrian government of flouting international law by killing health workers, bombing hospitals and blocking lifesaving aid from entering a strategic city in northern Syria that was held by the opposition groups.

In a report released Wednesday, the group, Physicians for Human Rights, chronicled 45 attacks on medical facilities in Aleppo since 2012, mostly by Syrian government forces.

The report paints a harrowing picture of the risks to those who provide basic medical services in Aleppo. A barrel bomb killed a doctor and a public health worker who were vaccinating children against polio in early 2014 — the first of 26 airstrikes on medical facilities.
The report says that 95 percent of Aleppo’s doctors have fled or been killed. The group also says that Russian airstrikes have hit 10 medical facilities since the air campaign began in September.

The NYT piece is only about "Aleppo" and fails to differentiate between the insurgent held eastern part and the government held western part.

That may have been because the PHR press release on its "report" also only speaks of "Aleppo". It claims:

A new report by Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) shows the devastating impact of the Syrian conflict on Aleppo, Syria’s most populous city and the area that has been the hardest hit in terms of attacks on medical facilities. In the past three years, Aleppo has suffered 45 attacks on health care facilities, more than two-thirds of hospitals no longer function there, and roughly 95 percent of doctors have fled, been detained or killed. Today’s ratio of doctors to residents is eight times less than what it was before the conflict began, and this extreme shortage of health professionals is exacerbating the already dire humanitarian crisis.

That press release is intentionally deceiving and the NYT writer fell for the scam.

Only deep in the longer PHR report (pdf) do we find what area the report is really about:

This report focuses on the state of health care in eastern Aleppo city4..

The footnote 4 at the end of the report says:

Eastern Aleppo city is referred to as “Aleppo” in the remainder of this report. Any references to western (government-controlled) Aleppo city or Aleppo governorate are noted explicitly.

Eastern Aleppo is bombed out Jihadi held part of Aleppo. It is practically empty except for the Jihadis and a few members of their families. In March the Guardian's Martin Chulov actually visited eastern Aleppo. He wrote:

Western Aleppo has had by far the better of the war, with civic services still functioning in most neighbourhoods and war damage minimal. Much of the east, though, is ravaged and empty.
Those who remain in eastern Aleppo, roughly 40,000 from a prewar population estimated at about a million, have been without electricity or running water for more than a year.

A recent Reuters report about a supply route to west Aleppo gives the number of inhabitants there:

The road is the army's supply route to government-held western parts of Aleppo, home to around 2 million people.

The PHR report is about an area where maybe 40,000 people live while claiming to be about "Syria’s most populous city". But the report says nothing about the government held area with 2 million people. It is only looking at the damaged empty parts of the city and pretends that these are representative for the whole city.

It also purely based on hearsay provided by insurgency supporters:

The findings in this report are based primarily on interviews conducted by PHR in Gaziantep and Kilis, Turkey from July 22 to July 30, 2015. The research team conducted semi-structured interviews with 24 individuals providing health care, supporting the health care system, or documenting events in Aleppo.

The report does not say how many of those 24 individuals were actually "providing health care" and how many were just "documenting events in Aleppo", i.e. professional propagandists for the Jihadi side. None of the authors of the report has actually been in Aleppo east or west.

The whole pamphlet is highly misleading and one sided propaganda with can neither satisfy "scientific" nor "medical" standards. It is ridiculous, though not unexpected, that the media will uncritically distribute its claims by copy-pasting the misleading PHR press release without actually reading the report.

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Posted by: MSF | Nov 18 2015 16:27 utc | 1

They killed someone administering the polio vaccine? So they killed a CIA spy?

Posted by: WG | Nov 18 2015 16:36 utc | 2

@all (OT)

Blocked and deleted all comments from sockpuppeteer "Winding Down?", "Breaking News!!", "Friends" of Syria?" and "Basher"

Don't feed such trolls.

Posted by: b | Nov 18 2015 16:41 utc | 3

We got used to these propaganda 'reports' made in Turkey. Now that Aleppo is about to be fully liberated, we should expect a flurry of such reports. The trouble is that the western public has become indifferent to such information. On the news: Refugees and terrorism in Europe, nothing else counts.

Posted by: Virgile | Nov 18 2015 16:52 utc | 4

Awesome take-down b.

Isn't this a continuation of the "Russia bombs hospitals" propaganda that sprung up after the US bombed the MSF hospital in Afghanistan?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 18 2015 16:57 utc | 5

very good b.. thanks.. hopefully more will see this.. msf@1 looks like a sock puppet too fwiw..

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2015 17:01 utc | 6

Thank you for these reports analysing and taking down the propaganda that is being relentlessly spewed out. Your website is an essential daily 'stop'.

Posted by: FB Ali | Nov 18 2015 17:10 utc | 7

The report covers 2012 to the present. There are est. 40,000 people in E. Alleppo now. What was the population four years ago?

Posted by: don | Nov 18 2015 17:29 utc | 8

Highly misleading. I would call it deliberately misleading.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Nov 18 2015 17:32 utc | 9

#5: should be "attacked" not "bombed"

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 18 2015 17:36 utc | 10

This report sounds even crappier than the Amnesty Report on Aleppo which was similarly biased and based largely on paid informants in Gaziantep:

Posted by: rick sterling | Nov 18 2015 17:39 utc | 11

Website owned by: WhoisGuard, Inc. Protected

Google search:
Human Rights P.O. Box 0823-03411 Panama

Websites listed:

Quite a professional organisation, funded/listed by USAID

Posted by: Oui | Nov 18 2015 17:42 utc | 12

if you are going to screen comments, why not screen out stupid and racist comments such as #1? comments such as this may be from paid stooges working to discredit your site.

Posted by: rick sterling | Nov 18 2015 17:46 utc | 13

must read

sorry it is in french and arabic

Posted by: Mina | Nov 18 2015 17:47 utc | 14

Its the same issue that many msm " reports" have. And there are so many of them, every day, covering issues ranging from health to war, written by "scientists" who are funded by obscure "philanthropists" who choose to remain anonymous but when exposed almost always turn out to be affiliated with a government or corporation that has huge vested interests in the results... PHR? Seriously?

Posted by: Dan | Nov 18 2015 17:57 utc | 15

Thank you for your choice of important topics, which publishing constantly

Posted by: ALAN | Nov 18 2015 18:39 utc | 16

No doubt that they are just another "humanitarian war" R2P propagandists.

Still doesn't explain who extensive extensively damaged Eastern Aleppo ? Which is the far bigger story.

Posted by: tom | Nov 18 2015 19:46 utc | 17

No, west havent learn one bit:

"Action in Syria will be 'legal' without UNSC resolution - PM Cameron "

Posted by: Seder | Nov 18 2015 19:47 utc | 18

I'm not sure MSM is any more accurate about terrorism in Paris than in Aleppo. Have you seen this? It's by Russianvid behind the theatre forensic investigation in the cafe. Note the windows are not broken after the shootout w police, people killed in the cafe, and the suicide bomber killing himself in the cafe. Crisis actor @ 3:50. Photos of her appearances at Sandy Hook and at Boston Bombing.

REASONS to use a HOAX rather than the real thing.
1. If you get caught, you don't go to jail for murder.
2. It's easier to persuade people to participate as actors for a "good cause" like gun control, to get tough on ISIS, to restrict immigration, etc. Besides, you get paid for it.
3. It's safer than the real thing cuz everybody's shooting blanks.
4. My commanding officer says I must, and after all--- what does it hurt? Anyway I have no choice.
5. A person once corrupted has less chance of refusal next time, even if it's worse.

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 18 2015 20:19 utc | 19

Great analysis, by b

To Oui, at #12, at the link you specify, PHR is said to be funded in those activities by State Dept., not USAID. Not that I see much difference, as they are allied with a US state entity. However, it's worth noting that when they want to, PHR can sound more progressive, as in this quote from their website: "The use of health programs by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) to recruit political activists in Cuba is reprehensible and unacceptable. Using health care as a cover for political activities goes against the internationally accepted principle of medical neutrality and is harmful to the wider practice of providing medical aid in countries around the world."

I recently was highly critical of PHR for supporting the McCain-Feinstein amendment to the NDAA, which specifically made the US Army Field Manual on interrogation the law of the land, making the CIA and DoD subject to its rules and techniques. Sold as an alternative to torture, actually, the AFM allows use of isolation, sleep and sensory deprivation, induction of fear, use of drugs, and inculcation of "helplessness and hopelessness" in prisoners. It does not ban use of stress positions (the current version removed previous bans on sleep deprivation and stress positions in 2006).

The UN Committee Against Torture recently specifically singled out the AFM for abuse. Once upon a time, PHR opposed the use of these techniques. They were vocal and demonstrative in their opposition to the CIA's "enhanced interrogation techniques" experiments in torture. But now in practice, by supporting use of the AFM without any criticism, they acquiesce in the kinds of "touchless" torture pioneered by the CIA in its KUBARK manual. And, evidently, per b's story, hide their PR for U.S. imperialist policy regarding Syria in footnotes.

Posted by: Valtin | Nov 18 2015 20:29 utc | 20

There certainly is a lot of odd and mysterious skulduggery about the IS-X War On The World! A brief aside from the present topic – How on earth does IS-X get its vast funding and materials?

Now, what of the propaganda from IS-X itself? How on earth do they convince even seemingly normal people to travel to distant, hostile lands and even blow themselves up? This is totally bizarre! Things like this are typical:

///Paris attacks: Female suicide bomber was 'blonde Caucasian' witness claims as father tells of terror during Saint-Denis raid///

How the hell did they convince her to do that (scopolomine?)?

And IS-X even puts out a very professional quality English language paper magazine:

///Islamic State Selling Message With Glossy English Magazine///

See also:

///The Islamic State's (ISIS, ISIL) Magazine
(All of the issues of the Islamic State's glossy propaganda magazine 'Dabiq,' named after a key site in Muslim apocalypse mythology can be found here.)///

The Raw Story site says Dabiq has an online magazine, but I cant find it. (Just for reference):

I guess if you have several billionaires to lay out the big money sacrament, you can convince people that head chopping is really a cool thing.

Posted by: blues | Nov 18 2015 20:51 utc | 21

I appreciate b's effort to shine the light on these phony feel-good groupies. But quite frankly, who cares what the facts says? I mean, in this climate any group seeking to gain some attention only need to jump on the anti-Syrian, "Assad must go" propaganda bandwagon. Facts be damned!!!

And their propaganda are not that sophisticated either. All they do is throw in the usual catch words: "Assad", "Putin", "Russia", "regime", "Shia", "Alawite" etc etc and presto, they have an audience.

Fact is, Western politicians have been trying hard to milk the Paris terror attack to gin up their sheeple into accepting a "boots on the ground" scenario/operations in Syria to defeat Daesh(aka, Al-nusrah, FSA, Ahrah Al-Shams on steroids) - the same guys they were supporting and still are in Syria.

Posted by: Zico | Nov 18 2015 20:59 utc | 22

I think there's such a thing as ~~subliminal psy-ops~~. This would be when perpetrators deliberately create obvious false evidence simply to induce cognitive dissonance for people who attempt to understand traumatic events.

Maybe there are also ~~false shred~~ events. For example, a small bomb causes one or a few people to have minor flesh wounds, but the event as a whole is made to look like a major disaster.

Posted by: blues | Nov 18 2015 21:10 utc | 23

I quite agree. PHR is just another US government agency, much like HRW.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 18 2015 22:04 utc | 24

Seems at this point the only need for NYT is for birdcage liner.
As for these organizations who claim to care for your human rights, it would seem they are very selective at best and complicit supporting the position of who the western govts. say are being denied their basic human rights.
Western credibility is completely shot in so many facets.

Posted by: farflungstar | Nov 18 2015 22:39 utc | 25

Am grateful, b., for your vigilance re trolls. Just one of the many reasons that this blog is such a gem.

Posted by: GloriousBach | Nov 18 2015 23:21 utc | 26

@21 More on the 'blonde caucasian woman' who blew herself up...

Posted by: dh | Nov 19 2015 2:18 utc | 27

Blues @21,
You ask How did they persuade the blonde terrorist to blow herself up? How do you know she did? Ah, those journalists who lie to you every day about Russia, Syria, etc.
How do you know she even existed? Ah, those same journalists.

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 19 2015 2:54 utc | 28

@blues - #21 :: pls don't use Islamophobe Clarion Project as a source!

IS Magazine Dabiq Nr. 12

"Just Terror"

France – On Friday, the 1st of Safar, 8 soldiers of the Khilāfah carried out an operation in the heart of French crusader territory. The operation involved multiple simultaneous attacks with explosive belts and assault rifles on various targets including the Stade de France stadium, where the crusader president Francois Hollande was attending a soccer match, and the Bataclan theatre for exhibitions, where hundreds of French mushrikīn had gathered for a music concert. The attacks, which included other targets around Paris and succeeded in killing hundreds of crusaders and wounding even more, shook the world and reminded the nations of kufr that the Islamic State will continue to stand firm in the face of their transgressions and retaliate with fire and bloodshed in revenge for the honor of the Prophet g and the multitudes killed and injured in crusader airstrikes in the lands of the Muslims.

Published photo of downed Russian Airbus in Sinaï [pdf]

On “30 September 2015,” after years of supporting the Nusayrī tāghūt in the war against the Muslims of Shām, Russia decided to participate directly with its own air force in the war. It was a rash decision of arrogance from Russia, as if it held that its wars against the Muslims of al-Qawqāz were not enough offence. And so after having discovered a way to compromise the security at the Sharm el-Sheikh International Airport and resolving to bring down a plane belonging to a nation in the American-led Western coalition against the Islamic State, the target was changed to a Russian plane. A bomb was smuggled onto the airplane, leading to the deaths of 219 Russians and 5 other crusaders only a month after Russia’s thoughtless decision.

Wilāyat Saynā’ – On Saturday, the 17th of Muharram, the soldiers of the Khilāfah succeeded in downing a Russian airliner
above Wilāyat Saynā’ with more than 220 Russian crusaders onboard, all of whom were killed, walhamdulillāh. This was to show the Russians and whoever allies with them that they will have no safety in the lands and airspace of the Muslims, that their daily killing of dozens in Shām through their airstrikes will only bring them calamities, and that just as they kill, they will be killed, by Allah’s permission.

Posted by: Oui | Nov 19 2015 2:56 utc | 29

Belgium a long history of Islamist terror ...

Abdelkader Belliraj Confesses to Belgian Murders in 1980s

February 29, 2008: Arrested Leader of Moroccan Militant Group Revealed to Be Belgian Informant with Possible CIA Links
'Superterrorist' Belliraj gets life sentence in Morocco

Posted by: Oui | Nov 19 2015 3:00 utc | 30


must read

sorry it is in french and arabic

Mina, thank you for bringing that Tunisian shepherd to our consciousness. As a member of the wretched of the earth, his coward assassination has no impact on world events, beyond affecting his close and extended family. No one will bomb the coward head-choppers that killed him, no investigation will be carried out by Tunisian "authorities," or Physicians for Human Rights, for that matter, no one will declare war on the cowardly terrorists that take on a 14 yr. old boy caring for his sheep.

His sin was to be born on the fringes of "civilization," he was not a "sophisticated" Parisian living in the "City of Light," whose life is worth a Rafale bombing run to Syria, and the "Charles de Gaulle" deployment to the eastern Mare Nostrum. I wonder if the French philosopher that visited his family might be one of those who think philosophers need to move from interpreting the world to radically change it. Regardless, his visit to the boy's family is worth a thousand years of French philosophy.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Nov 19 2015 3:03 utc | 31

Paris attacks an intelligence and security lapse? Nah!

Abdeslam brothers caught with soft drugs during traffic stop A27 in Gorinchem, Holland – Feb. 2015 [Dutch]

Posted by: Oui | Nov 19 2015 3:05 utc | 32

@b – deleted post #1

On subject human rights, loved the troll's sig MSF ... one of this kind?

Posted by: Oui | Nov 19 2015 3:15 utc | 33

Good to see Valtin fighting the good fight, still. you're a Hero!

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 19 2015 4:15 utc | 34

From the NYT short piece on PHR report,

A barrel bomb killed a doctor and a public health worker who were vaccinating children against polio in early 2014 — the first of 26 airstrikes on medical facilities.

The Dr. and the PHW were vaccinating children against polio in Aleppo. I can see it in my mind's eye, the clinic was full of mothers/fathers and children patiently waiting for their turn to be vaccinated. Suddenly, a bomb comes barreling down and after the dust lifted up, only the Dr. and the PHW were killed. That is either highly efficient for a BB, or extremely unlucky for the Dr. and the PHW.

A BB is an "unguided bomb" (W'pedia) also called "a flying IED," a bomb that tumbles in the air and falls randomly on unintended targets. Here is a sample in the MSM of BBs exploding in Daraya, a Damascus suburb, in 2014. The sample is to show the intensity of the explosion and the destruction caused by a BB, not to propagate the lies of the MSM stenographers.

The baffling question for me while skimming the article was, where are all the children killed? The mothers and fathers? Only the Dr. and the PHW? Flabbergasting. Both the idiots who wrote the report for the PHR, and the one who covered it for the NYT should be fired, since they don't know what a BB is and its effects, or lack the Goebbelsian expertise to expand the lies to a "credible" stretch.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Nov 19 2015 4:24 utc | 35

Just a couple comments on things that are maybe being overlooked:

-Note the TIMING of Russia's sudden finding that ISIS was responsible for the plane crash, a finding that helps to sell to the Russian people further commitment of Russian forces. The timing was imm'y after G20 & just in time to offset the Western buildup after the Paris attacks.
Cute how US is suddenly backtracking-- no, no, it's too early to say it was ISIS.

-Going into the Vienna2 talks on Syria, someone was pressuring/threatening Putin: The outing of the identity and whereabouts of Putin's daughter, and the fact that she's a billionaire, which is a threat to reveal or mischaracterize how she got the riches. Reuters broke the story-- far as I know it's still Rothschild's news service.

-Barzani, head of the Iraqi Kurds has always been CIA and probably Mossad, too. He and his imm'y cronies have become millionaires.

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 19 2015 5:44 utc | 36

Starving the Syrians for Human Rights

Some days later I received my first email from PHR. I was floored by the heading, “Protect Syrian Citizens: Help Make Sanctions Tougher.” The word “tougher” struck me. The email read in part: “Help us impose tougher sanctions on Pres. Assad’s brutal regime. The Syria Sanctions Act of 2011, S. 1472, will target Syria’s energy and financial sectors. Contact your Senators today and urge them to back S. 1472.” The sponsor of this bill was Kirsten Gillibrand, and among the 12 co-sponsors were two neocon leaders, John McCain and Joe Lieberman, the latter hardly a human rights stalwart when it comes to Palestinians. Did that not ring alarm bells at PHR?

I imagine PHR is a State/CIA funded operation.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 19 2015 6:06 utc | 37

"Russia has different aims to us and they have repeatedly threatened to veto any such resolution," That's right Cameron wants regime change, so is willing to breach the UN charter to do it. In my opinion a strike against a group in Syria would only be legal if Syria was 'unwilling' or 'unable' to take action themselves, that is manifestly not the case here. It is probably all academic in any case. All veto wielding powers have carte blanche to engage in aggression anywhere in the world, since there is no way that aggression can be held to account. The UK would simply veto any resolution condemning them.
"Academic lawyers in their thousands may protest that taking military action against Iraq was illegal because it lacked proper authorization by the Security Council, but it is of no consequence in the real world when there is no possibility of the UK, or its political leadership, being convicted for taking such action. It is meaningless to describe an action as illegal if there is no expectation that the perpetrator of the action will be convicted by a competent judicial body. In the real world, an action is legal unless a competent judicial body rules that it is illegal". See Dr David Morrison 'Why the Attorney General's legal advice was sound.

Posted by: harry law | Nov 19 2015 8:53 utc | 38

Here we go again "WMD THREAT!!!1!1!!",
from RT "Risk terrorists could use chemical or biological weapons - French PM Valls"

Same scaremongering as of 2001.

Posted by: Seder | Nov 19 2015 9:05 utc | 39

b, excellent, thank you!

Posted by: fairleft | Nov 19 2015 9:26 utc | 40

Oh gawwd, not this again: Obama says Assad must go to end Syria civil war. I hope this is just Obama throwing a bone to the "We want a war!" mainstream media. If not, he's telling one and all that the threat of Wahabbi terrorism -- Al Nusra Front, ISIS, and so on -- is a lower priority than destroying one of the few non-Wahabbist nations in the region. I.e., same as it's ever been.

Posted by: fairleft | Nov 19 2015 9:46 utc | 41


Panama-Florida Right Wing Paramilitary PSYOP

This is what the NeoCons and the NATO Military are preparing you for, slaughter your neighbors for Jebeezus. An amazing documentary, courtesy of your Wehrmacht CIA, ... still in business even to today.

"It's just bidnez, get over it, now best get ta' cuttin'!!"

Posted by: Chipnik | Nov 19 2015 11:39 utc | 43

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 18, 2015 3:19:14 PM | 19

Interesting thought experiments - considering the baffling absence of general alarm outside (and inside) a couple of the attack sites.
Nevertheless, the big giveaway for me is the speed with which the Fr Govt drew a predictable, but pointless and illogical, conclusion about who/what to bomb the crap out of with the "formal investigation" far from complete.
Pre-emptive, un-forensic and/or half-baked is so-oo Fake War On Terror-ish.

It's sort of bizarre that there seems to be no footage of panicked people on the day of the attacks. Did 'someone' set up (and film) a panic among mourners a day or so later later to fill the gap in the collective consciousness?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 19 2015 12:10 utc | 44

UPDATE 2: Suspected mastermind of Paris attacks Abaaoud died in police raid : prosecutor | The Guardian | plus France24

Yesterday's info was correct. The news circulated in Belgian press and social media. The source was IS expert Van Ostade who had received info from two French police investigators and was analyzed on jihadists websites ... bits of information circulating.

Posted by: Oui | Nov 19 2015 13:02 utc | 45

@40 fl

I never understood the folks claiming that the leopard had changed his spots. Wishful thinking? Or part of the Legacy-Enhancement detail?

"I do not foresee a situation in which we can end the civil war in Syria while Assad remains in power," Obama said on the sidelines of a trade summit in Manila.

But we're supposed to ignore what he says and what he does and go on the shadows in the crystal ball or in the tea leaves, on what the Medium describes, since we - ungifted - cannot see it ourselves. He's hardcore nihilist, sitting on ventriloquist Daddy John Brennan's knee since he arrived in DC. With the hands-on Saudi involvement in Yemen and Syria the MIC/Finance alignment is closer to fusion than ever.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 19 2015 13:12 utc | 46

blues at 21 --

Yeah, the nerve of you, using a site that "draws together Middle East experts, scholars, human rights activists and Muslims to promote tolerance and moderation and challenge extremism." I mean, why would anyone oppose FGM and honor killings, right? I'm sure all of the progressive Moslem organizations it links to must be fronts.

I found this one intriguing, The International Quranic Center. Clarion describes it as "A Muslim organization that does not believe the Hadith are a reliable source and that Islamic law must be compatible with human rights." The arrival of the Enlightenment is better late than never.

Perhaps interested parties will formally develop an approved list of sites and positions for MOA community in its valiant fight against evil-nation states. I mean, I wouldn't want to embarrass myself.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 19 2015 13:14 utc | 47

Bashar al-Assad: ISIS Didn't Start In Syria, "Established Under American Supervision In Iraq"

Posted by: virgile | Nov 19 2015 13:34 utc | 48

Frontline just aired a program "ISIS in Afghanistan". Again, local tribes leaders were either being killed or converting to ISIS and receiving big paychecks [$700/month]. All the newly minted ISIS converts said they were being paid and trained by foreign fighters. But, refused to disclose any information on who they were. Big secret.

Posted by: shadyl | Nov 19 2015 13:49 utc | 49

Oui@33 loved the link. I'm pretty sure he's posted here before, but maybe nobody took the bait...

Posted by: Dan | Nov 19 2015 14:05 utc | 50


Panama-Florida Right Wing Paramilitary PSYOP [...]

[...] This is what the NeoCons and the NATO Military are preparing you for, slaughter your neighbors for Jebeezus. An amazing documentary, courtesy of your Wehrmacht CIA, ... still in business even to today.

"It's just bidnez, get over it, now best get ta' cuttin'!!"

Thank you Chipnik for introducing me to that video, and by extension to "The Act of Killing," both a record of the empire's killing fields, and one of the most gruesome, Indonesia under Suharto. I don't understand the connection to the "Panama-Florida Right Wing Paramilitary PSYOP," mind to elaborate?

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Nov 19 2015 14:32 utc | 51

I mean, I wouldn't want to embarrass myself.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 19, 2015 8:14:26 AM | 47

Oh I think that ship sailed quite some time ago

Posted by: Cryptos | Nov 19 2015 16:54 utc | 52

@52 Oh I think that ship sailed quite some time ago

One port of call for that ship. [Note: #274 in that thread] For those who may not understand what Cryptos is referring to.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 19 2015 17:50 utc | 53


the comment by the ZioNazi Mouthpiece you seem to be referring to can be directly linked to by copy&pasting - THIS LINK

You might want to save that for future ref.

It will link you direct to the comment you mentioned

Posted by: Cryptos | Nov 19 2015 18:57 utc | 54

The history of the board members is revealing - corporate, legal, venture capital, merchant banking, links to Harvard, Brookings etc. So it is a standard US State pseudo-NGO. Goldstone of the Mavi Mari retraction fame is also there. He sold out his credibility to stay within the tribe (standard treatment for dissenting insiders is excommunication for all socio-political contacts). The financials show significant donations ($100,000 - $400,000) from a small number (~10) of unidentified individuals, a significant part of the ~$6 million budget. They also managed to pay $145,000 for a New York furniture consultant in the last year.

Posted by: Yonatan | Nov 19 2015 20:49 utc | 55

Yes the list of Directors is interesting

PHR Board of Directors

    Deborah D. Ascheim, MD Chair of the Board of Directors

    Gerson H. Smoger, JD, PhD
    Secretary of the Board of Directors

    David Dantzker, MD
    Treasurer of the Board of Directors

    Kerry J. Sulkowicz, MD
    Vice Chair of the Board of Directors

    Marion J. Bergman, MD, MPA
    Board Member

    Donald F. Donahue
    Board Member

    Kathleen M. Foley, MD
    Board Member

    Justice Richard J. Goldstone
    Board Member

    Michele Heisler, MD, MPA
    Board Member


Goldstone being there is quite interesting - I guess he has to do penance for his Mavi Mari faux pas, and PHR is where he has to do it

Posted by: Cryptos | Nov 19 2015 21:04 utc | 56

He sold out his credibility to stay within the tribe (standard treatment for dissenting insiders is excommunication for all socio-political contacts).

well they DID prevent him from attending his own Grandsons Bar Mitzvah.

Seems that musta stung, enough to make him get back in line if the current job is anything to go by

Posted by: Cryptos | Nov 19 2015 21:07 utc | 57

People should take a look at this in regards to this story,

First video. State Dept. Spokes Idiot, Admiral John Kirby alleges that Russia bombed a hospital. And now, The NYT's hit piece today. NYT ran a planted story from John Kerry and State Dept. Kind of like Cheney did in the run-up to The Iraq War.

Posted by: Veri1138 | Nov 19 2015 23:42 utc | 58

in re 52, 53 --

Why would I be embarrassed? I like hearing stuck pigs squeal. It's why I collect lances. Keep 'em handyand sharp, too, you never know.

Your 247 is quite a notable diatribe. It's where you say it’s OK for non-state actors to kill people, since they are not “civilized.”

Here's a link to my original wisecrack, at 152 in this open thread. It's a little longer than what was quoted.

jfl posted this at 150, and provided a number of details on the arrest of a suspect in a stabbing at a Hebron hospital. The cousin was killed by Israeli security forces.

Israeli SS attends to Israel's Final Solution to its Palestinian Problem in Palestine ...

And here is my complete reply

in re 150 --

Did I just wander into a hyperbolic chamber? One down, just under 12 mil. to go.... If they expect to beat the jihadis, they will need to pick up the pace.

For the humor-challenged, to put it in plain language, both the folks at ISIL and the Israelis have a bit to go before they meet high score set by the German fascists; at present rates, I think the jihadis will beat them to finish line. You will see me try to make this point in the later posts on that thread.

So you folks will be working togehter on that official "List of Thoughts and Sites that Support Them, Approved for Use by Barflies at the Moon of Alabama (All Rights Reserved)," right? I think james should volunteer, too. He's already keeping a "La-la-la! Can't Hear You!" list.

Once you get it done, why don't y'all take a nice cruise together and relax? I can recommend a lovely ship that would suit you.

We're setting sail to the place on the map
From which no one has ever returned
Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool
By the light of the crosses that burned....

Save me, save me from tomorrow
I don't want to sail with this ship of fools, no, no....

Where's it comin' from?
Oh, where's it goin' to?
It's just a, it's just a ship of fools.

And just so there's no misunderstanding, the bit about lances is only a metaphor. Stuck pigs are nowhere near as pleasant as The Sound of Breaking Glass upon escape from the dreaded - Chamber! - of!! - Hyperboleeeee!!!!

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 20 2015 3:08 utc | 59

Shrewd analysis of a really insidious piece of disinformation.

Posted by: Roger Milbrandt | Nov 20 2015 3:58 utc | 60

Dear RM

You should get your own blog

That way you'd entertain yourself a great deal, talking about your favourite subject, yourself, and also (added bonus!) boring the crap out of no one else.

Posted by: Mike Czech | Nov 20 2015 3:59 utc | 61

Nah, I'd have to spend too much time deleting crap from folks like you.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 20 2015 4:17 utc | 62

In a perverse way, the Physicians for Human Rights report may be both accurate and revealing. From the point of view of Western media and governments the two million people in the government-held West of Aleppo are what Chomsky calls "unpeople" – people like the Russians who support Putin and the Venezuelans who support Maduro. They are deemed unworthy of serious attention. The 40,000 who live in the Jihad-held area count in a way in which the two million do not: these 40,000 are part of a grim, dangerous, nihilistic terror-state which Western media, however reluctantly, are willing to imagine and Western governments often promote. As a report on the lives of the people of Aleppo the report by the Physicians for Human Rights is obviously useless; as a revelation of the assumptions that govern Western "thought" it is superb.

Posted by: Roger Milbrandt | Nov 20 2015 4:25 utc | 63





You continue to embarrass yourself and waste our time.

The record is clear. Anyone can go read the whole thread. You excused the extra-judicial murder of a bystander simply because he was Arab/Palestinian. And you repeatedly stuck to that position. That some part of your reference was to Nazi State crimes in the 1930's and 40's is possibly even worse as you are drawing a comparison with the most hated State in history so as to excuse Israeli murder in 2015!

My summary accurately described your position using your own words.

Then you have the gall to imply that those that won't agree with you or put up with your bullsh!t are the one's at fault, saying we have no humor and are intolerant. Its exactly such sly, unprincipled, pathetic, farcical, and duplicitous 'whatever it takes' reality distortion field bullsh!t like that that makes Zionists and 'neolibtards' like you so hated.

Returning again and again with different flavors of the same BS just makes you a laughing stock. Well, thanks for the laughs .... now f*ck off.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 20 2015 4:28 utc | 64

No, I don't think so.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 20 2015 5:12 utc | 65

Harry Law @ 38, Thanks for an interesting site. I don't quite agree with
"It is meaningless to describe an action as illegal if there is no expectation that the perpetrator of the action will be convicted by a competent judicial body. In the real world, an action is legal unless a competent judicial body rules that it is illegal"
but I understand his point: "illegal, but not punishable" is nearly an oxymoron.
I didn't know that the ICC lacks jurisdiction over the crime of aggression because they couldn't agree on a definition!
Interesting site. I'll file it..

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 20 2015 6:01 utc | 66

HoarseWhisperer @ 44,

Thanks for the response, HoarseWhisperer. I was beginning to feel invisible. Even on this site where people are fully aware that govts & media lie, people are unwilling to even LOOK at the possibility of a hoax. I've since seen a still of the "bodies" in the theatre, which at first glance are quite believable. It's only as you look at them individually that you begin to see that they are articulated dummies, whose faces are turned away. The trouble w an articulated dummy is that it maintains tension in its limbs after "death," and so requires careful death-like posing, which was lacking in a number of cases. So, for example one dead dummy had his arms thrown up in surrender as he lay, but they were held up not touching the ground.

The interesting thing to me was that the links that I supplied @ 19 form the basis of overturning any appeal to NATO that France was "attacked".

Here's an amusing tiny bit from Charlie Hebdo, submitted by an Australian; note the white snoke, indicating blanks.

If you're interested in Boston Bombing, here's sequential photos taken from offices above the sidewalk where the crisis actors were waiting their turn w the photographer. One woman actually puts her "blood" makeup on, on camera! Requires least patience, spoon-fed w identifying captions. This is where more photographic evidence of fraud is. Requires patience

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 20 2015 6:07 utc | 67

No images of those dummies?

Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 20 2015 10:59 utc | 68

in re 64

I have the gall to have my own opinions, and to not take kindly to attempts to bully me out of them.

You repeat scurrilous ravings, I repeat my defense. You rarely if ever present any facts, just your willful misreadings and unfounded accusations, generously swaddled in butt-hurt over being criticized. "OMG!!"

"Libtard," yeah, sure, Humpty. "When I use a word" Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less." Like your typical troll, you like to argue against straw men of your own creation. Very kind of you to make them all feel welcome.

You're a bloody poseur and thug. "I'm MOA! Do not dare to disagree! I have a potty-mouth and won't hesitate to use it! You will comply!"

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 20 2015 13:03 utc | 69

'A New York-based human rights organization is accusing the Syrian government of flouting international law by killing health workers, bombing hospitals and blocking lifesaving aid from entering a strategic city in northern Syria that was held by the opposition groups.'

americans cry the flouting of international law?

Posted by: brian | Nov 21 2015 9:29 utc | 71

@ 70 Penelope

It's a pity it's such a strange site.

Purpose & Goals: Our mission is to provide information that isn’t twisted. To provide pure facts.

Angelic / Divine: Saying there is no God defies established facts

Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 21 2015 10:21 utc | 72

From the Hague @ 70,

And this blinds you from seeing that there is not a single visible "wound"? What? Everyone was wounded UNDER their shirts, the T-shirts pulled down afterwards, and NO blood on the shirts?! You are so resistant to even considering it's a hoax that you won't even look at the ONLY photo available of the inside of the concert hall.

What about the sequential photos of the Boston Marathon? Two of the women can be seen clearly standing up until it's time for their turn w the photographer. Then they lie down and one of them becomes "dead". Requires least patience, spoon-fed w identifying captions. More photographic evidence of fraud here. Requires patience

What is it, you feel an emotion & then you can never manage a simple, visual examination again?

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 21 2015 18:40 utc | 73

Odd how the key photograph they supply of the inside of the concert hall is the only one that's blurred, isn't it?

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 21 2015 18:47 utc | 74

@ 73 Penelope

Yes, the lack of quality of your source (You believe in 'God', off course you do Penelope?!) says all about those 'images'.

That's your only source, Penelope? (davesweb is about something else, you know that, Penelope?)

Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 21 2015 21:04 utc | 75


Good observation about the clarity of the picture.

But the site also takes note of the bloody smear across the floor. Such a smear is strange and unusual they say, and the writer surmises that a mop or broom might have been used.

But wouldn't the smear likely have been caused by emergency personnel attending to and evacuating the injured?

Also, I think that you haven't yet seriously considered the possibility that I suggested in the Open Thread: that the 'hoax terror' movement could be a device to distract & discredit government critics and skeptics. What the 'hoax terror' people postulate is just too risky for the perpetrators: dozens, even hundreds, of people would have to be kept quiet for a long long time.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 22 2015 3:35 utc | 76

@Penelope and others:

Lets continue the Paris attack discussion on the Open Thread.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 22 2015 4:30 utc | 77

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