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November 24, 2015

The Fear Department Pushes For War, Turkey Shots Down Russian Jet

To start off the silly season, or a war, the State Department issued a Worldwide Travel Alert:

The State Department alerts U.S. citizens to possible risks of travel due to increased terrorist threats.

At the same time the boss of the State Department says he knows of "no specific threat". Local officials also say that there is nothing to fear.

How does that fit? Did the State Department receive a memo headlined:


but it did not inform the Secretary of State?

Or is the U.S. State Department saying that its active support for fundamentalist Islamists over the years, from Afghanistan to Syria, has made the world unsafe?

The chance of getting crushed by your furniture is higher than getting killed in a terror attack. But the State Department warns you of leaving your house:

U.S. citizens should exercise vigilance when in public places or using transportation. Be aware of immediate surroundings and avoid large crowds or crowed places. Exercise particular caution during the holiday season and at holiday festivals or events.

This is not just a "travel alert". It is a walking-down-the-street, going-anywhere-anytime-anyhow alert. "Stay indoors, don't answer your phone, avoid driving and/or walking. Light breathing is fine when you are alone."

What purpose do such alerts have? Cover-your-ass for some bureaucrat? Scare people shitless to then press for ever stronger security laws? Push up military contractor stocks? None of that makes much sense.

I see no sensible reason for such warnings but to prepare the people for war. Push their fears, as unspecific as possible, so far that they will agree to anything to get relief from their fears.

The Turkish military just shot down a Russian jet over Syria and anti-Syrian insurgents capture (vid) a pilot. (correction: was old footage). At the same time the U.S. puppet regime in Ukraine is pushing to renew the conflict there.

Will all this escalate into a new great war?

The State Department also says:

This Travel Alert expires on February 24, 2016.

That's when the war will be over?

Posted by b on November 24, 2015 at 9:10 UTC | Permalink


The ruthless elites construct the new enemies

Posted by: nmb | Nov 24 2015 9:14 utc | 1

In reaction to a number of articles on a psychotic America and Trumpism ...

The Terror Trap

A timely review of what propaganda does to America ... and it's only getting worse under the regime of the Obama administration. The US losing its moral compass in a turbulent world. Battling whistleblowers by prosecution for treason, a most secretive administration, revising and enactment of the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 and undermining protest by the cognitive infiltration theory perpetuated by Cass Sunstein.

Intro of my newest diary - The Terror Trap Laid By Warmongers In the US and Israel.

Posted by: Oui | Nov 24 2015 9:16 utc | 2

Turkish jets shoot down Russian warplane, Russia denies airspace violation

Turkish F-16 fighter jets have shot down a Russian warplane close to the Syrian border, accusing it of violating Turkish airspace, while the Russian Defense Ministry denies that the airspace violation took place.

The Russian Defense Ministry said the downed plane was a Russian Su-24. It said it can prove the aircraft was over Syria during its entire flight. This is while the Turkish military said the plane was warned “ten times” before it was shot down.

This is going to be nasty.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 24 2015 9:23 utc | 3

Too early to tell who downed the Su-24 (Turkish warplanes or anti-air weapons?), or if the pilots are safe or captured.

But if it was a turkish F-16 that downed the russian jet within Syria, the russians will only dig deeper, I think, and impose their own no-fly zone close to the turkish border. What will Erdogan do then?

Posted by: never mind | Nov 24 2015 9:32 utc | 4

Posted by: jfl | Nov 24, 2015 4:23:20 AM | 3

Yep, Turkey is playing attack dog. They also seem to be behind the Crimea blockade via "their" supported Tartars (much like "their" Turkmen).

The terrorism/Muslim hysteria is close to cold war communism hysteria. But US allies - Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia are prime targets of this hysteria. And it will make US foreign policy in the Middle East close to impossible.

So, I would say it is more psychological than planned. No one seems to be able to detect a "US plan".

It will be interesting to see if Turkey will be backed or told "shoo".

Posted by: somebody | Nov 24 2015 9:32 utc | 5

This will become WW3. I don't think there is a way out of it. One side has no intention to back out. The other can't because the alternative is absolute defeat anyway.

Posted by: ThePaper | Nov 24 2015 9:36 utc | 6

Turkey is to discuss with NATO. The Paris attacks were wasted as the French talked to Russia instead of NATO (US was calling for NATO to be involved) but the Turks will do the deed and call in NATO to attack Syria (defend Turkey).

Posted by: Peter | Nov 24 2015 9:37 utc | 7

Turkey does not seem to like the MSM attacking her and its relation to Qatar/KSA, so it turns against Russia?

Posted by: Mina | Nov 24 2015 9:39 utc | 8

What we have here is the insane Nato/Turkey attacking Russia INSIDE Syria, what he heck is wrong with that country?!

Posted by: Seder | Nov 24 2015 9:45 utc | 9

ok i got it, its because Erdogan was mad of not being among those who meet with Hollande this week?

Posted by: Mina | Nov 24 2015 9:51 utc | 10

Clownish Hollande is irrelevant. His internal grandstanding campaign has zero effect outside France.

Posted by: ThePaper | Nov 24 2015 9:56 utc | 11

Turkey says shot by Turkish jets, Russia says shot from the ground.


Posted by: somebody | Nov 24 2015 10:10 utc | 12

aljazeera says (via live bbc) that the "rebels" have caught one of the pilots
"Syrian activists have been quoted as saying that one of the pilots of the Russian Su-24 has been captured. He is said to be being held in the mountainous Utayrah area in Turkmen Mount, Qatar-based Al-Jazeera Arabic TV reports."

Posted by: Mina | Nov 24 2015 10:12 utc | 13

The Russian Defense Ministry says it knows for a fact the SU-24 was taken out from the ground; not A-A. Curiouser and couriouser...

Posted by: V. Arnold | Nov 24 2015 10:12 utc | 14

Turkey say the Russian jet was warned 10 times within 5 minutes, however the Russians say their jet was always within Syrian territory. “A probe is in progress into the circumstances of the Russian plane crash,” the ministry was quoted as saying by the TASS Russian News Agency, adding that the plane had stayed within Syrian airspace. Objective monitoring data confirm this.”. The jet was alleged to have crashed in Yamadi a tented village within Syria??
This is very serious stuff. If the Russians are right about the location of the jets downing or even if they are wrong, this will not go unanswered.

Posted by: harry law | Nov 24 2015 10:18 utc | 15

It will probably turn out that the Russian jet was flying over Syria, but since Turkmen were in this area of recent fighting, Turkey has now considered this as Turkish territory.

Turkey wants to take territory away from Syria and Russia is not cooperating. They want that safe zone.

Not sure what is going to happen next. This does not look good.

Posted by: Peter B | Nov 24 2015 10:20 utc | 16

This could be a good reason to muddy the water, a Casus belli, The Reason to close Bosphorus on Russian ships, without Bosphorus, Syria is of no use to Russians, that very well will bring a big war. Turks are really stupid to do this.

Posted by: kooshy | Nov 24 2015 10:20 utc | 17

Stupid turks, even if it were inside TUrkey which it was not there is no reason at all to shoot it down, just stands to show what a crazy, isis supportering regime Turkey have become. Note the silence of nato too, they dont want this trigger happy turks shooting around at russians constantly.

Posted by: Seder | Nov 24 2015 10:22 utc | 18

Alexander Nekrassov ‏@StirringTrouble 6m6 minutes ago Islington, London
Will talk to @jongaunt at 10.30 about the shooting down of the Russian plane and what I've been told by Moscow about it. #news

Posted by: brian | Nov 24 2015 10:22 utc | 19

BREAKING NEWS . presto la guerra in Ucraina riprenderà, e di brutto.

BREAKING NEWS . war in ukraine will spark again and hard

"...A pair of calls made by willing friends and worried relatives tell me weapons and ammo are distributed to us teached wonderful Ukr soldiers: few instructors from UK and CAN, but many from 173 Airborne from Vicenza who are spotted "on holiday" along thw front-line, monitored by others hard military dressed guys who don't speak ukrainian..."

Translator will help you,

good awareness to all

Posted by: Where is Jack Ryan? | Nov 24 2015 10:29 utc | 20

Lavrov cancels his visit to Turkey today, Turkish military reveals radar print of downed Russian jet

Posted by: harry law | Nov 24 2015 10:48 utc | 21

Mark ‏@markito0171 21m21 minutes ago
#Syria 1 parachuted pilot of shot down Su24 jet found dead by #FSA rebels …

Posted by: brian | Nov 24 2015 10:51 utc | 22

Turkey getting cut slack for it's manipulation of border controls to allow IS freedom of movement of material and mercenary jihadists then turning on the movement of refugees into Europe must be getting on the nerves of many. Now they go totally bonkers by shooting down (regardless which airspace) a plane (Russian no less)that posed no military threat to Turkey.
Doesn't matter how much support they may think they have behind the scenes by neo-con type intelligence interests. After all that hard work in securing the elections, the leadership must be at this point toast.

Posted by: YY | Nov 24 2015 10:52 utc | 23

The BBC speaks of "Jabal Turkmen" but shows "Jabal al Akrad", i.e. Arabic for "the Mountain of the Kurds".
Cherchez l'erreur...

Posted by: Mina | Nov 24 2015 10:58 utc | 24

i don't believe the jet was in turkish airspace. but who knows - maybe it was. if so, it was probably just glancing the airspace, which doesn't justify a shoot down.

the turks are absolute idiots for this. given the stakes - life on earth - i hope russia shows restraint and doesn't retaliate. if it hits back at turkey, erdogan is just mad enough to invoke article 5 - and then nato is treaty-bound to step in. from there, nuclear war is inevitable.

i have to think putin knows that, and will hold back.

Posted by: Huffman Aviation | Nov 24 2015 11:02 utc | 25

turkey has released the radar print showing the jet in turkish airspace. so that settles it then. erdogan would never fabricate anything.

Posted by: Huffman Aviation | Nov 24 2015 11:11 utc | 26

What Putin should do is stare that Russia has the right to defend itself against all who attack them and that includes these Turkmen on the ground in the territory of Syria.
Turkey is seeking to escalate this war and bring in the US as the Russians are destroying the oil trade for them.
But I doubt very much, I could be wrong that US obama will get involved in Eedogans schemes

Posted by: James lake | Nov 24 2015 11:13 utc | 27

the jihadis are ecstatic
Damasceneأبو حافظ ‏@Priapus_D 4m4 minutes ago
FSA/AQ Hadi Abdullah: Photos of Ru pilot who was downed. PRAISE TO THE BLESSED HANDS THAT KILLED HIM.

Posted by: brian | Nov 24 2015 11:15 utc | 28

"and then nato is treaty-bound to step in" Hmm, yea, if the want to - otherwise the treaty is just a useless piece of paper (like the US Constitution).

Posted by: DM | Nov 24 2015 11:17 utc | 29

On the side topic, a suicide belt was found in a bin yesterday in a Paris suburb where Abdesalam's cell phone would have been localized before his two friends came from Belgium to pick him up.
A relative to the owner of the flat in Saint-Denis who got the accomodation for Abaoud says that rather than 2 persons they may have been 5 or 8.
Since the suicide belt was found, no fear the guy on flight wants to use it. But would the French cops have left an unknown number of suspects flee back to Belgium?

Posted by: Mina | Nov 24 2015 11:26 utc | 30

Sultan Erdogan trying to drag NATO to war, I see?

Posted by: Zico | Nov 24 2015 11:28 utc | 31

Robin Monotti ‏@robinmonotti 1m1 minute ago
CIA director Brennan in Kiev just before it launched Ukraine war, & now:

Posted by: brian | Nov 24 2015 11:29 utc | 32

(+) I am 90%+ convinced that the Russian statements are accurate. and that the Russian fighter jet was shot down by a ground-to-air missile while over Syrian land. Turkish jets were probably nearby.

(+) Also 90%+ convinced that areas held by the Syrian insurgents have been provided with ground-to-air missiles via Turkey.

(+) It is very surprising that Turkey would claim responsibility for this shoot-down.

(+) My guess is that the Russians are likely to send Russian troops to the border of Syria and Turkey. And use more missiles.

(+) Also I think the Russians will do something about the Ukraine.

This is insane, of course.

Posted by: blues | Nov 24 2015 11:39 utc | 33

Vijay Prashad ‏@vijayprashad 6m6 minutes ago
Putin has called for emergency meeting of UN Security Council.

Posted by: brian | Nov 24 2015 11:42 utc | 34


Why, Brennan wouldn't even harm a fly!!

Posted by: Chipnik | Nov 24 2015 11:43 utc | 35

"I see no sensible reason...."


Posted by: Neretva'43 | Nov 24 2015 11:47 utc | 36

Let's try the optimistic path. There will be no showdown in relations with the Gulf unless we get a new oil crisis.Are you ready for this one? Got a new bike recently?

Posted by: Mina | Nov 24 2015 11:57 utc | 37

In The Peninsula ‏@Inthepeninsula 1m1 minute ago
#Erdogan's son-in-law did such a good job selling #ISIS oil for #Turkey, this is his reward. Good boy. #Syria

Posted by: brian | Nov 24 2015 12:20 utc | 38

plane going down filmed from ground NOT spontaneous

China Xinhua News ‏@XHNews 1m1 minute ago
Video: Moscow says choppers are searching for pilots, Su-24 "aimed against #ISIS " #RussianWarplane

Posted by: brian | Nov 24 2015 12:32 utc | 39

Turkey has called for a NATO emergency meeting.
EU agencies are getting extra funding (new intelligence agency, money for Frontex, etc)
Forget about reforms or elections.

Posted by: Mina | Nov 24 2015 12:33 utc | 40

The only alert they should be issuing is Black Friday crowd crushing incidents. Because there's about a 99.9% chance of that happening. I guess make that Black Thursday too, since like 12 major chain stores are starting on thanksgiving day.

Posted by: Colinjames | Nov 24 2015 13:08 utc | 41

Putin on russian jet shootdown

Turkey backstabbed Russia by downing the Russian warplane and acted as accomplices of the terrorists, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.
The plane was hit by a Turkish warplane as it was travelling 1 km away from the Turkish border, Putin said. The plane posed no threat to Turkish national security, he stressed.

Putin said the plane was targeting terrorist targets in the Latakia province of Syria, many of whom came from Russia.

Russia noticed of the flow of oil from Syrian territory under the control of terrorists to Turkey, Putin said.

Apparently, IS now not only receives revenue from the smuggling of oil, but also has the protection of a nation’s military, Putin said. This may explain why the terrorist group is so bold in taking acts of terrorism across the world, he added.

The incident will have grave consequences for Russia’s relations with Turkey, Putin warned.

The fact that Turkey did not try to contact Russia in the wake of the incident and rushed to call a NATO meeting instead is worrisome, Putin said. It appears that Turkey want NATO to serve the interests of IS, he added.

Putin said Russia respects the regional interests of other nations, but warned the atrocity committed by Turkey would not go without an answer.

Putin was speaking at a meeting with King of Jordan Abdullah II in Sochi, who expressed his condolences to the Russian leader over the loss of a Russian pilot in Tuesday’s incident, as well as the deaths of Russians in the Islamic State bombing of a passenger plane in Egypt.

The two leaders discussed the anti-terrorist effort in Syria and Iraq and the diplomatic effort to find a political solution to the Syrian conflic

Posted by: brian | Nov 24 2015 13:11 utc | 42

I think that rather than chiding our State Department, we should review our daily commute to job from the safety point of view. For myself, I can drive, or take a bike path. It is easier to plant an IED next to the bike path, bushes etc., but the traffic intensity is very low, hard to make more than one victim (except for dog walkers, you may get two humans and at least five dogs that clog the bike path. but this is rare, mostly lonely bikers and joggers). And IED on the street, which is four lane and busy, is possible to plant, masking it with a hub cap or using drainage. So bike it is.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 24 2015 16:12 utc | 43

@42. the russian word putin used in his speech isn't 'grave' or 'serious' but 'tragic'. Tragic consequences for russias relations with turkey

Posted by: thumper | Nov 25 2015 0:11 utc | 44

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