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November 14, 2015

What Preceded The Islamic State Attacks In France - Some Links (Updated)

This happened last night: At least 120 dead in Paris attacks, Hollande declares emergency

Gunmen and bombers attacked restaurants, a concert hall and a sports stadium at locations across Paris on Friday, killing at least 120 people in a deadly rampage that a shaken President Francois Hollande called an unprecedented terrorist attack.

The Islamic State claims responsibility (English version) for the attack.

But who weaponized and financed the Islamic State or prior organizations in Syria and Iraq from which this terror attack grew? Is this cartoon justified?

Cartoon of the day by Carlos Latuff


In 2012 - Hollande admits arming Syrian rebels in breach of embargo - book

The French president has admitted delivering weapons to the Syrian rebels during a period of EU embargo, a new book about to be published in France reveals.

The deliveries took place in 2012, before the embargo was canceled in May 2013, according to François Hollande's last year interview with journalist and writer Xavier Panon. "We began when we were certain they would end up in the right hands. For the lethal weapons it was our services who delivered them," Hollande told the writer, ...

Okt 2012 - Rebel Arms Flow Is Said to Benefit Jihadists in Syria

WASHINGTON — Most of the arms shipped at the behest of Saudi Arabia and Qatar to supply Syrian rebel groups fighting the government of Bashar al-Assad are going to hard-line Islamic jihadists, and not the more secular opposition groups that the West wants to bolster, according to American officials and Middle Eastern diplomats.

Dec 2012 - France funding Syrian rebels in new push to oust Assad

France has emerged as the most prominent backer of Syria's armed opposition and is now directly funding rebel groups around Aleppo as part of a new push to oust the embattled Assad regime.

Large sums of cash have been delivered by French government proxies across the Turkish border to rebel commanders in the past month, diplomatic sources have confirmed. The money has been used to buy weapons inside Syria and to fund armed operations against loyalist forces.

Aug 2014 - France delivered arms to Syrian rebels, Hollande confirms

President Francois Hollande said on Thursday that France had delivered weapons to rebels battling the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad “a few months ago.”
Nov 2015
Murad Gazdiev @MuradoRT
French APILAS rocket launcher supplied to #syria rebels fall into hands of #ISIS. Pics from #Deraa, Southern #Syria
12:09 PM - 6 Nov 2015

Jun 2014 - 'Thank God for the Saudis': ISIS, Iraq, and the Lessons of Blowback

[T]wo of the most successful factions fighting Assad’s forces are Islamist extremist groups: Jabhat al-Nusra and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the latter of which is now amassing territory in Iraq and threatening to further destabilize the entire region. And that success is in part due to the support they have received from two Persian Gulf countries: Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Qatar’s military and economic largesse has made its way to Jabhat al-Nusra, to the point that a senior Qatari official told me he can identify al-Nusra commanders by the blocks they control in various Syrian cities. But ISIS is another matter. As one senior Qatari official stated, “ISIS has been a Saudi project.”

France benefited from its support for the U.S.-Wahhabi regime change project in Syria and Iraq by getting huge orders for military equipment from the medieval Wahhabi regimes:

Apr 2015 - France and Qatar seal $7 billion Rafale fighter jet deal

Qatar has agreed to buy 24 Dassault Aviation-built Rafale fighter jets in a 6.3-billion-euro (4.55 billion pounds) deal, the French government said on Thursday, as the Gulf Arab state looks to boost its military firepower in an increasingly unstable region.

June 2015 - Saudi Arabia and France ink $12bln deal

Saudi Arabia and France agreed Wednesday to sign $12 billion of deals, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubair said during a landmark visit by Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to Paris.

Even after it became obvious for everyone that the regime change project in Syria has led to an expansion of terrorism Hollande was still demanding the end of the Syrian state.

Sept 2015 - François Hollande of France Says Assad Must Go

President François Hollande of France told the United Nations General Assembly on Monday that his country would “shoulder its responsibilities” in global efforts to end the fighting in Syria, but that the conflict could be resolved only if President Bashar al-Assad was removed from power.

Can Hollande now change his tune?

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Belgian authorities made several arrests in Brussels after witnesses said a car with Belgian license plates was seen close to the Bataclan theater in Paris, scene of the Friday night terrorist attacks.

Three of eight terrorists responsible for the Friday night attacks in Paris came to France from Brussels, officials said Saturday.

They are likely to be from St. Jans Molenbeek neighborhood in Brussels, an area with a substantial Muslim community.

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Posted by: okie farmer | Nov 14 2015 18:01 utc | 101

@93 at least when Nasrallah speaks you get the facts and the truth, unlike the obtuse code bleated out by NWO agents Hollandaise and Murksel.

Posted by: tolo | Nov 14 2015 18:05 utc | 102

Thank you, b, for the careful analysis.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2015 18:29 utc | 103

I hope someone at Moon will post Nasralla's comments.
He's one man who always speaks the truth.
BTW, he lost his own son in the war against Israel, so he knows what he's talking about.

Posted by: plantman | Nov 14 2015 18:38 utc | 104

@28 Yes. Whether the Paris attacks were concocted and carried out by honest jihadis or by nefarious western operatives is not really very important in terms of what happens next. Either way, military intervention by NATO in Syria (to assure the ouster of Assad rather than ISIS) is the most likely outcome from the Paris attacks.

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Nov 14 2015 18:47 utc | 105

Ben @ 81,

Ben @ 81, The link that you supplied about Israel (below) is the ONLY sensible analysis of US-Israeli relations I have ever seen. I have argued forever that both are controlled by banksters & those who control the mega-transnationals. Clearly these are very rich people who have bought our govt. I have also argued that Israel is simply given the more blatantly evil tasks. I have never seen anything in print that supported me in these observations. And now, with your link, it is all-- and more -- established as fact.

This is a tremendous link & I will publish it everywhere, for it gives great insight into the state of our world. It is one of the few links that can bring DOWN the power structure. Thank you for it.

"These attacks will almost certainly strengthen the hand of hard-line conservatives, from anti-Islam popular intellectuals like Eric Zemmour and Michel Houellebecq to right wing extremists like Marine Le Pen. There are important regional elections coming up next month, and these attacks could seal the National Front’s victory in several regional governments."

Think that reason for the attacks is a stretch? Read this article, and you may not:
Posted by: ben | Nov 14, 2015 10:40:09 AM | 81

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 14 2015 19:00 utc | 106

@105 ...and Russia will allow this? I highly doubt it. Also remember that any sort of act by USA or France on Syrian soil is becoming increasingly *illegal*

Is NATO willing to get in a shooting war with the Russians in Syria?

Is USA willing to go to defcon 5 over Syria?

Is USA willing to engage in thermonuclear war over Syria?

Posted by: bbbbb | Nov 14 2015 19:10 utc | 107


I'm not suggesting that this was perpetrated by real war refugees, just speculating that some possible terrorists, from Turkey, disguised as a refugee might have helped it. We all know that the refugee hordes are coming from Turkey. Whereas Turkey is these days a training center for terrorists who are acting in Syria.. If true, Merkel is done.

I also speculated about an 'inside job', 'false flag'. But I wonder, why would Hollande give a shot in the foot by killing the entire tourism industry in France?

Posted by: RussianBoy | Nov 14 2015 19:19 utc | 108

I think b was correct @ #7 to caution against assuming that this was a false-flag / inside job. The thing that truly irritates me about the Fake War On Terror is that it introduced (overnight) a mass-murdering Military Solution to acts of violence perpetrated on civilians. ALL acts of violence on ordinary people are CRIMES. Before 9/11 all crimes were investigated by Police and detained suspects were prosecuted in Civilian Courts. The FWOT is a contrived mechanism to sidestep the judicial system and legalise an Executive, Extra-judicial, Military Solution.

We'll know fairly soon whether this was a false-flag or a crime because if the suspects are treated as CRIMINALS and prosecuted in Civilian Courts, then it was a crime. If, however the suspects are accused of TER'RISM and the accusation is used to justify a Military attack on a country other than France (so long as it's Muslim) and kill hundreds or thousands of suspects in that country, then we may safely assume that it was a false-flag / inside job, designed to keep the M-I Complex flush with Taxpayer's Money and ratchet up the Ter'rist threat by another notch.
After 14 Years it's fairly obvious that destroying entire countries to "make the world a safer place" has been a monumental failure - for everyone except the owners and shareholders of the M-I complex, and "Israel."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 14 2015 19:24 utc | 109

It was a false flag. Hollande is a vassal of the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia..

Two days ago, Iran claimed that Syria would retaliate on the French naval task force declared 9 days ago, which would beef up the French air strikes started 48 days ago : “ On November 5 French President Francois Hollande said the aircraft carrier would be sent to Syria. “The deployment of the battle group formed around the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle was decided to participate in operations against ISIS and its affiliates,” the French presidential office at the Élysée Palace announced. Since the western coalition hasn’t yet got a pipeline in Syria, it wishes to destroy the one of its opponent, the Russian-Iranian-Syrian Pipeline, prior to negotiating any solution with its opponents. Such negotiations are plausible, since Russia and the USA coordinate between them their actions in Syria and even train together. The Paris massacres suggest at the imminent escalation of the western determination and conduct in Syria, in order to decide the Syrian war in NATO’s favor

Posted by: Bengt | Nov 14 2015 19:25 utc | 110

Reports now that French authorities flagged one of the terrorists as an Islamic extremist in 2010.

I get that civil liberties sometimes prevent the authorities from doing the kind of deep surveillance that would catch suspected Islamic extremists before they rampage. So I don't wanna jump to conclusions. But has anyone noticed a pattern with attacks in France? At the Jewish school, at Charlie Hebdo - there were terrorists who were on police radar, even being watched for a while, only for them to pass thru the dragnet.

Again, I'm not jumping to conclusions. Just noticing the pattern and speculating.

Posted by: Huffman Aviation | Nov 14 2015 19:26 utc | 111

@107 That is *exactly* the problem. Invoking NATO section 5 and using military force "against ISIS" in Syria means that hot, potentially thermonuclear war is being threatened by the US against Russia. If there is another way to analyze the situation, let's hear it. Everyone knows what NATO forces in Syria mean when Russia is already there.

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Nov 14 2015 19:27 utc | 112

The long awaited victories against the Islamic State being celebrated here and elsewhere seem minor now when compared to this deadly strike into the heart of Europe by the Sword of Islam.

Assad nor the western backed rebel attempts to remove him had much to do with these attacks, they were reprisals for France attacking the IS just as the Russian loses in Sinai and the Lebanon attack were.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Nov 14 2015 19:29 utc | 113


'IS' or whatever its called, is a CIA asset.

Posted by: Bengt | Nov 14 2015 19:33 utc | 114


Is the U.S. willing to get into a shooting war with Russia in Syria? Simple answer: under Obama, no. But Rubio, Christie and Kasich have all explicitly vowed to establish a no-fly zone and shoot down Russian jets that enter it. Jeb! is also in favor but hasn't mentioned downing Russian jets (yet). Hillary wants a no-fly zone but has said vaguely she'll coordinate with the Russians. Trump is the only sane one on Syria, decrying the madness of, as he says, risking World War III. Everyone else seems to have forgotten that Russia has nearly 2,000 nuclear weapons. So yes, there's an absolutely bewildering willingness in the U.S. to go to war with Russia.

Posted by: Huffman Aviation | Nov 14 2015 19:35 utc | 115

Obama's sincere hypocrisy

“Once again, we’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians,” President Barack Obama said. “This is an attack not just on Paris, it’s an attack not just on the people of France, but this is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values that we share.”

Now is clear, straight from the horse's mouth. An attack on the French is an attack on all of humanity, killing a million + Iraqis and hundreds of thousands of Syrians, Libyans, Afghans, Palestinians, is not. They are disposable, backward Mooooslims, not part of humanity, therefore, we can kill them with impunity, no regrets, we can even play remote control drone-killing with them, a fun game.

Irony of ironies, the headliner band at the Bataclan concert hall was coincidentally named Eagles of Death Metal. I wonder if the attackers chose the date for the attack after reading the Bataclan's shows program, or there is a deeper meaning to the concurrent events.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Nov 14 2015 19:44 utc | 116

@108 @109 @110 While we are busy discussing whether it was an authentic reactionary attack inspired by radical Islamists or a FF carried out by nefarious western black ops, NATO will convene a meeting to decide whether to invoke article 5. So, the result will be the same regardless of who did it and why. Potential hot war between Russia and the US is a much bigger problem than figuring out the who and why of the attacks. I suspect that people in power count on neutralizing the intellectual opposition by making sure we keep busy trying to prove one theory or the other.

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Nov 14 2015 19:46 utc | 117

@115 - agreed... Maybe that's how it all ends.. Maybe it's how it *must* end for our failings as a species

Posted by: bbbbb | Nov 14 2015 19:52 utc | 118

The Paris attacks were a Gladio type operation to swing the coming G20 meeting and western public to support putting troops on the ground in Syria to further the Western agenda to continue its attack on the East.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Nov 14 2015 19:52 utc | 119

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
Bash a hornet's nest, and et voila, we're shocked, shocked I tell you, that wasps are angrily biting us.

Well I dunno. Good article and comments. One of my first thoughts - echoed here by comments above - is that the attacks (perpetrated by whomever) were on the more liberal parts of Paris (the little I know of Paris, which has been confirmed). So, eh?, interesting, that. Plays into the hands of conservatives everywhere busily out in force now adjuring all of us liberal hippies about how wrong we are to want to "give peace a chance," and hey boy howdy NOW, NOW!! we really gots to get serious for realz and go bomb those f*****s back to the stone age (as if...).

ISIS, USIS, John McCain's strange fruit come home to roost? False flag? I dunno, but echo someone else who said: don't matter. Deep State will make of use of it either way.

Color me utterly skeptical that it's "just" recent refugees who somehow coordinated this. Yeah, *maybe* one or 2 of the suicide bombers were from that recent wave, but this has been very carefully constructed and coordinated - perhaps even before the Charlie Hebdo attack. No way that new refugees could come up with this plan and execute it so seamlessly so quickly.

The plan devised by our 1% Overlords? Or at least some faction thereof. They don't have to worry, do they? They travel around with their personal armies and have their own private islands with excellent water supplies & food farms to retreat to if the going gets really tough. In the meantime, this is a HUGE giant bonanza.

What's that I hear? Not bombs or bullets... just a big ole CHA CHING!!!!!!! And then some.

Witness the next GOP "debate." It'll all be about which the raving lunatics can be even more bigoted, more anti-Moozlin, more MIC-friendly than the next.

Dumb bunny USians'll line up to toss more money at the Morlock, aka MIC. Probably same in Europe.

Bend over and kiss your azz good-bye. Good luck to us all.

Posted by: RUKidding | Nov 14 2015 19:52 utc | 120

The Paris attacks were a Gladio type operation to swing the coming G20 meeting and western public to support putting troops on the ground in Syria to further the Western agenda to continue its attack on the East.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Nov 14 2015 19:53 utc | 121

There was a time France did not want to meddle in the ME refusing to go into Iraq. What changed? Why gunho in Libya and Syria?

And Assad had nothing to do with the attack on France, and last I heard ISIS was not a country. So how do you declare war against a non-state entity?

Posted by: shadyl | Nov 14 2015 19:55 utc | 122

@yellowsnapdragon #117:

NATO will convene a meeting to decide whether to invoke article 5. … Potential hot war between Russia and the US is a much bigger problem

And how would this hot war work, exactly? No one has accused Russia of backing any terrorists. All the West has accused it of is of not being discriminating enough in which terrorists it bombs (leaving aside the accusations of bombing hospitals etc.). So I don't really see how NATO could get into a hot war in Syria without fighting together with Russia. It's not as if Assad has been accused of supporting terrorism, in the way that Saddam Hussein was. An then there is the UNSC and China to think about.

As for whether this was a FF, here's a piece by the journalist who never saw a terrorist attack that he didn't think was a false flag himself:

CONFIRMED: French Government Knew Extremists BEFORE Attack

Posted by: Demian | Nov 14 2015 19:57 utc | 123

How the secret services of France, Germany, Britain and the United States, well-known for their competence, missed all of this? After all, this was not a lone suicide bomber on a bus, but a major assault. Or did someone know what was about it to happen?

Posted by: ALAN | Nov 14 2015 19:59 utc | 124

Conspiracy theorists show us, just because someone has a brain doesn't mean they use it. Fuck off, y'all.

Posted by: mahler | Nov 14 2015 20:06 utc | 125

RUKidding #120:

the attacks (perpetrated by whomever) were on the more liberal parts of Paris

Lone Wolf #116:

I wonder if the attackers chose the date for the attack after reading the Bataclan's shows program

13/11 Paris Massacre: Pour Quel Profit?

They picked a mix of heavily symbolic venues. You have a France-German match witnessed by the President in a stadium where all barriers – ethnic, religious – dissolve, a true symbol of multiculturalism. You have a gig by an American band in a concert hall filled with young people. You have your average, cool, neighborhood cafés in the 10eme and 11eme, young, hip, secular, bobo Paris hoods.

This points to a calibrated conceptual spectrum – carefully mapped out by French insiders; perhaps those “Syraq” returnees. This also points to a monumental fail by French intel and the Ministry of Interior.

Posted by: Demian | Nov 14 2015 20:13 utc | 126

The reaction of the west also revealed that White supremacy shone through brightly yesterday. It shined bright white.

Posted by: tom | Nov 14 2015 20:16 utc | 127

Kerry says Syria transitional govt. to be set in 6 months

Posted by: Seder | Nov 14 2015 20:17 utc | 128

@128 i feel like i've been facepalmed to death by reading that tripe.

What transitional government? Some porky despot slobs that aren't even SYria today? Why not one of the Syrians that defended their own land?

Posted by: bbbbb | Nov 14 2015 20:21 utc | 129


The poster you're addressing is also a CIA asset. See how he's downplaying Syria's victories against IS, and highlighting IS French bombings as a huge "victory," while egregiously calling them the "Sword of Islam," as if these head-choppers/cannibals were true Muslims? See how when convenient, he puts Assad and the "western backed rebels" in the same cat-bag, same with the downing of the Russian airliner (no final report on that yet), and the Lebanon bombings, all the result of attacking IS?

His statements are made to distort, twist and lie about everything, in such a way that SAA/Hezbollah/NDF/Iraq-Afghan militias/Iran/Russia victories against the terrorist head-choppers/cannibals (the "western backed rebels"), are nothing before the French bombing, a "true victory" of the takfiris who use Islam as a cover only for their terrorism. Blaming IS for the attacks on the Russian plane in Egypt, the bombings in Lebanon, and the French bombings, acquits the West in general, and France in particular, of any responsability for the blowback of their misguided, aggressive policies.

Like a snake in the grass, he's venomous.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Nov 14 2015 20:26 utc | 130

@tom #127:

White supremacy shone through brightly yesterday.

Selective empathy: "Terrorist" attacks rock Paris, and the public response to tragedy is typically disproportionate

Why are you more upset over one group of people being murdered and not another group? Or is the bombing of a hospital not terrorism? Do Afghan lives not mean as much as Parisian lives? …

I guess terrorism is only what our psychopathic leaders and their media moguls tell us it is, and only then when it happens to us in the West, not when we're the perpetrators.

Posted by: Demian | Nov 14 2015 20:30 utc | 132

Thanks demian @126

As I found out more about this coordinated series of attacks, it just sounded odd. Who knows who is responsible and doubtful we'll ever know who really set it up. But decidedly odd/interesting where the carefully coordinated attacks happened - the more liberal and integrated areas of Paris (or so we're told but I think it's true).

Gives great room for conservatives to shriek about how being inclusive and non-bigoted doesn't matter. How it "proves" that all Muslims are awful terrorissss who hate every. single. non-Muslim for our freedumbs. too clever by half to be quite believable as just some random incident by recent refugees for sure. But of course, US M$M and GOPers are all shouting about the refugees and how it's all their fault. And most dumb bunny USians will go along with that patented bullshit bigoted nonsense.


Posted by: RUKidding | Nov 14 2015 20:30 utc | 133

Cui bono...dunno know, but I'd throw an idea out.

The Sauds+Turkey+[Gulf states]*have put a lot of money and prestige into the regime change through terrorism project and it's starting to go south on them. An awful lot of working class Americans are wishing Putin "good hunting", as am I.

Perhaps these villains* seek a reset, or just as likely, a direct western military intervention in which France plays the cats-paw patsy that gets the whole "war thing" rolling. Not false flag I believe, although possible, just an attempt by ISIL to return to the air cover given by their sponsors who are shocked, Shocked...SHOCKED to find terrorism going on and must now step in.

*Sauds+Turkey+[Gulf states]

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 14 2015 20:30 utc | 134

It doesn't matter if Russia or Assad have been accused of anything. Stephen Cohen believes that Russia entered Syria when it did to prevent a US enforced no fly zone a la Libya. The Russian objective was to retain Syrian sovereignty and prevent ISIS from taking Damascus to create another "failed state". Russia practically pleaded for a coalition of nations to genuinely fight ISIS and was rebuffed at every turn. In response, the US started sanctioning militaries allied with Russia.

So the US was essentially prevented from toppling Assad through a Libyan style no fly zone by Russian intervention. So far the Russian military has been effective in shoring up the Assad government. That is a big problem for the west, particularly since Russia is fighting terrorism successfully where the west has (perhaps deliberately) not. The optics are really bad for the US on that count since it has been so vocal about terrorism for the last decade and a half. The question for the US then becomes how to get its military in to Syria to finally purge Assad, slap down Russia, and create that important failed state the US needs for its unipolar global ambitions. So the Paris attacks causing seemingly legitimate NATO intervention in Syria fits the bill rather well.

What Russia does with NATO action in Syria is to be determined. However, Putin and co. would understand that NATO's real purpose in Syria is to topple Assad. So Russia and NATO would both be in Syria on opposing sides of the Syrian war. Proxy war, but hot war with plenty of potential to spread and grow.

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Nov 14 2015 20:35 utc | 135

BOOM! CIA Director Met with French Security Chief and Mossad Before Paris Attacks

Posted by: ALAN | Nov 14 2015 20:36 utc | 136

@106 Penelope,

I read the article you linked to. It provided way too much cover for Israel, IMO. When you/we get around to identifying who those global plutocrats are that own all those corporations and private finance It just might turn out that the majority are Jewish....and then what would you say about the relative value of the article?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2015 20:41 utc | 137

BTW, the Russian leak about nuclear torpedoes, dated as they sound, make a little bit more sense if Russia believes NATO is about to enter the Syrian war.

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Nov 14 2015 20:47 utc | 138

@136 ALAN

The Paris bombings reek of 9/11 background.......they perhaps were let happen so that a specific political response could seem reasonable.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2015 20:47 utc | 139

We are being systematically enslaved in a gulag of the mind. We are being herded like sheep into an ideation. Supposing IS(IS) is behind this carnage in Paris?--then who is behind them? It well may be that this is a piecemeal WWIII (just as Pope Francis says); but who is behind it. I say a state is behind it; and maybe more than one state.

Isn't it premature to say that this attack cannot be a false flag? Or what else is meant by false flag? Is the non-state actor also to blame for the coordinated derailment of the train in Strasbourg? Is the non-state actor responsible for the cunning arrangements that have led to the Turkish-assisted flood of immigrants,-- which have apparently come packed to the gills with provocateurs and agents of foreign powers?

What about the conspicuous props? -- the dropped passport? just like the pristine and unburnt one found on the sidewalk on 9/11, beneath the Trade Center? There was one that turned up after the Hebdo killings. Repeated signals and a calling card, like the pristine bullet found on the stretcher at Parkland Hospital, on the day of the JFK assassination.

This is probably a monstrous and organized deception. No one is thinking of Operation Gladio.

The public, the world public--insofar as the deception is extended--is being driven into a state of emotional disorientation, is being coached and provoked into what Albert Camus once called "the reign of beasts".

Posted by: Copeland | Nov 14 2015 20:48 utc | 140

The Latuff cartoon above has it right. In fact, you could add the US and its NATO stooge nations to France, and replace Syria with the Middle East. Thank you, neocons.

Posted by: DFC | Nov 14 2015 20:57 utc | 141


Thanks, Demian, great catch. Glad my assessment @ French bombings? Target: Syria coincided with that of Pepe Escobar on the professionalism of the perps, the planning of the operation, and the laissez-faire, laissez-passer attitude of French/Eurostan security services.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Nov 14 2015 21:00 utc | 142

@106, great link. Argues pretty forcefully that Israel is under US' thumb, not the other way round.

Posted by: ruralito | Nov 14 2015 21:08 utc | 143

Link to Succinctly:

Posted by: James | Nov 14 2015 21:14 utc | 144

"It just might turn out that the majority are Jewish....and then what would you say about the relative value of the article?" I would say, The subjunctive voice is your friend.

Posted by: ruralito | Nov 14 2015 21:16 utc | 145

in re 121 --

Uh, were that to be the goal, wouldn't having a NATO jet or copter "shot down" over Syria do the trick? And with lower risk and cost?

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 14 2015 21:20 utc | 146

From Penelope's link "The US government tolerates much verbal abuse from the agents of the Israeli government because the drama provides a convenient public cover presented in the mass media, presenting the Israeli government as if it were controlling the US Congress and President."

This is brilliant and apt. Another example: the Saudis and Jordanians curse the Jews and or Israel, but this just gives Israel leave to scream "They hate us just because we are Jews!" all the while cooperating with Jordan and the Saudis to keep all their asses safe atop great mounds of weaponry.

Posted by: ruralito | Nov 14 2015 21:33 utc | 147

Posted by: Bob | Nov 14, 2015 3:11:20 AM | 9

9/11 involved multiple suicide bombers as well as a coordinated media campaign and compliant investigation
-- Yes, of course.

(Well not that coordinated, cheers BBC)

-- What's this about BBC? Implying that their investigation was independent? I thought they were part of the conspiracy. Recall that female announcer predicting that Building 7 wd fall maybe 20 minutes before it did.

Posted by: Ronald | Nov 14 2015 21:39 utc | 148

@ 124,136 ALAN

The main possibilities now seem:

1. IS operated by others (US/West)
Getting Europe in line for an assault on Syria (and Russia)

2. IS operating independent
Revenge on France for the 5 november aircraft carrier decision

Maybe both happened?;
Intelligence from the West, motivated by possibility 1, facilitated possibility 2.

Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 14 2015 21:41 utc | 149

@130: well put. LD sums it up (

"In fact, the desperation exhibited by the West and its efforts to oust the Syrian government and salvage its proxy force now being decimated by joint Syrian-Russian military operations, is directly proportional to the diminishing size and stability of this corridor."

The Kuweires victory this week was huge, a game-changer. Soleimani personally ran the operation.
SAA/Hezb/Shiite militias are now 40km from Assad dam. Once they cover that stretch on the Dayr-Hafir plains, and at the current rate it will be in a few weeks time, Raqqa is isolated. It's that realisation which set of the panic in NATO and thus the false flag in Paris, which must have been prepared in advance. It will be used as justification for intervening in Syria in order to save IS. That's why the nuclear carrier of France is heading towards Syria. The next week or two will be very interesting.

Posted by: tolo | Nov 14 2015 21:57 utc | 150

@From The Hague #149:

Getting Europe in line for an assault on Syria (and Russia)

Yes, to address the disparaging remarks that have been made about "conspiracy theorizing":

There's been an awful lot of instability in the world since Obama didn't get to bomb Syria as he was itching to do in September 2013. First the fascist coup in Kiev in the following February followed by the obvious MH17 false flag. Since the averted US attack on Syria, we've had two dramatic terrorist attacks in Paris, and a major airline disaster over Egypt.

What one needs to keep in mind is that this kind of thing is to be entirely expected because (1) the US is determined to keep its status as world hegemon; (2) Russia is becoming increasingly open about not allowing that. If it wasn't for the fact that the US and Russia are the world's two (nuclear) superpowers, each with the ability to retaliate against a nuclear first strike, we'd probably be in a real world war by now. Instead we have these various strange events – the "refugee" crisis is another one - that are all out of the fourth generation war handbook.

Posted by: Demian | Nov 14 2015 22:05 utc | 151

Comments by Angry Arab that ought to be read by those here,

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2015 22:12 utc | 152

Charlie Hebado puts this out "Team Charlie Hebdo expressed dismay and indignation after the Paris attacks on Friday, November 13. The magazine shares the grief of victims of the terrorist attacks and their loved ones and expresses support for them," the statement said. The newspaper also condemned violence, serving "the totalitarian Islamist ideology whose sole purpose is the destruction of democracy and the values of France."
But remember Charlie Hebdo last week on the Russian aircraft tragedy.
The first drawing showed a passenger's skull, with the caption: "The dangers of Russian low cost" flights.

The second showed the plane's debris falling on a bearded fighter, with the legend: "The Russian air force is intensifying its air strikes."Pure blasphemy'
On Friday, Dmitry Peskov, the Russian government spokesman, said he thought the cartoons were "pure blasphemy" and had nothing to do with democracy or freedom of expression.

Posted by: harry law | Nov 14 2015 22:39 utc | 153

I'm a bit confused here. Some of you are saying this is likely a reprisal against France for supporting the bombing of ISIS (and if so, a sign, along with the other recent attacks, of just how much ISIS is getting pounded on the battlefield). But then you make comments about 'reaping what you sow'. So which is it? Do you approve of fighting ISIS or not?

Posted by: Plenue | Nov 14 2015 22:52 utc | 154

Yeah thanks karlof1, Angry Arab does a good job in point form.

And there is no way I will dismiss this as - NOT a false flag. You don't need to plan it yourself if you're a western state. You can easily allow terrorism to play out 'naturally', and that still obviously fits into my accepted definition of false flag. Why set yourself up for so such a narrow definition.
My own personal early thoughts are that it was a typical terrorist attack without it necessarily being a Western false flag, but i'm not gonna be definitive or exclusionary, because that would be stupid of me.

The idea that these western state elites give a fuck about their citizens being murdered, well, that is quite some BS. They have shown in endless contempt, even murderous contempt, towards their own citizens in an infinity of ways. Allowing their own citizens to be attacked fits into their MO and opinion of us, quite comfortably.

Posted by: tom | Nov 14 2015 22:54 utc | 155

@147 ruralito

Yes, it's brilliant and apt ... Noam Chomsky made the point - I'm guessing - decades ago, and is regularly reviled as an apologist for Israel for having done so.

There is nothing new in this article, although it is a relatively condensed and handy restatement of Chomsky's observation - the conclusion might profitably have been edited for size.

The fact remains that Israel is the author of the destruction of the Palestinian nation.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 14 2015 23:00 utc | 156


A Gladio false flag operation can easily be under the cover of ISIS personnel. Gladio operatives are within a countries intelligence department and can shepherd the terrorists around all obstacles.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Nov 14 2015 23:01 utc | 157

Note the end of the Hebdo statement condemning ""the totalitarian Islamist ideology whose sole purpose is the destruction of democracy and the values of France."

Where does that ideology reside and get emitted from--Saudi Arabia. Which country did France just sell a bunch of weapons to--Saudi Arabia. Angry Arab avers, "there is no way on earth to stem the menace of ISIS and Al-Qa`idah like organizations without going to the source, in Saudi Arabia which is the official headquarters of the Ibn Taymiyyah's terrorist interpretation of Islam.... It is not sectarian to declare Saudi Wahhabi doctrine as the official doctrine of Jihadi terrorism. Wahhabiyyah is not a sect: it is a school of fanatical terrorist thought and practice."

Passports: Currently very easily obtained, particularly Syrian. Would Daesh terrorists know how the intact easy to recover passports are seen as a signature of a false flag? I believe so. But why would Daesh want to make that impression? I'm puzzled by the small number of casualties given the density of people in the target zone. Lots of initial reports of pump shotguns being used but now it's all AKs?!?

Well, false flag or not, Asad is 100000% correct that the underlying ideology and its supporters must be eliminated and its global Hydra-like structure uprooted and composted. I don't care that Saudi and Qatar have lots of hydrocarbons. The nations that must crush that ideology are Russia, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, and China--absolutely no western nations as they've abetted and gamed Islamic Terrorism and deserve to share its fate, too.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2015 23:18 utc | 158


The West has never fought ISIS/Da'esh/al-CIAduh, although it had pretended to do so. There's ISIS/Da'esh/al-CIAduh and then there're the proprietors of ISIS/Da'esh/al-CIAduh, and though their goals diverge the actions of the 'grunts' are seen by each to serve their 'interests'.

The interests of ISIS/Da'esh/al-CIAduh grunts are striking back for 'their people', however conceived, which coincides - is made to coincide - by their proprietors with their own goals : DD&D in the Middle East and elsewhere - wherever it can be turned to profit by those proprietors of empire, who seek continued mastery of the world's resources and the destruction of contenders for that mastery, real or imagined.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 14 2015 23:21 utc | 159

@152 karlof1.. thanks.

@154 Plenue.. i don't think anyone here supports ISIS, or the murder, mayhem and maiming of innocent people, regardless of location.. addressing terrorism, is not supporting it when it serves the purposes of regime change.. i think this is the point that is being lost by the west in it's thinking it can support the overthrowing of a gov't - any gov't - by means of terrorism - while saying it is opposed to terrorism.. the cia is a terrorist organization too when it acts a certain way..same with any other country, when it turns a blind eye to the funding for these types of activities.. it is coming back to bite them in the ass.. i think that is what people are talking about here..

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2015 23:21 utc | 160

We need some discussion of what came from Vienna today beyond "we need to stop ISIS". My impression is not good. Hammond has actually been gloating over the terrorist attack on the Russian airliner.

Posted by: psakiwacky | Nov 14 2015 23:38 utc | 161


I bet Gaddafi is laughing in his comfortable hell :-P

Posted by: amonymusz | Nov 14 2015 23:38 utc | 162
UPDATE: U.S. intelligence official tells CBS News Syrian passport recovered in #Paris attacks might be fake

Posted by: bbbbb | Nov 14 2015 23:57 utc | 163

@105 "Either way, military intervention by NATO in Syria (to assure the ouster of Assad rather than ISIS) is the most likely outcome from the Paris attacks."

Why does NATO have to go through Assad to get at ISIS?

ISIS is spread between Syria and Iraq, so NATO can simply go through Iraq to get at ISIS, while Russia attacks ISIS from the other direction, and the two forces can agree to meet at the banks of the Euphrates.

But your plan requires NATO to go to war with Russia, and that's seldom a very smart idea.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 15 2015 0:06 utc | 164

@ 144
Thanks for the link
Chris Floyd is ok.

On a moral level we see:

The West using all kinds of terror and deception.
Russia using reason and communication.

Normally, the evil –constantly breaking every rule- wins....

Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 15 2015 0:07 utc | 165

Mina @68

In my view Turkey is responsible for the security of the refugees it has welcomed. Therefore Turkey is responsible for the death of any of these refugees as long as they are on Turkish land and water.
By allowing passers to exploit the refugees desire to go and send them to death, Turkey is committing crimes. The family of these dead refugees should sue the Turkish government for non assistance of people in danger and Europe should threaten Turkey to bring it to a war crime tribunal.
Turkey's law does not recognize the Syrians as 'refugees' in the UNHCR sense, therefore they have no rights, they cant work and they have no chance of settling for good in Turkey. They are 'guests'. No wonder they want to leave this hopeless prison.
The EU should pressure Turkey to change the law in exchange of financial help. Otherwise it is as if the EU is condoning Turkey's shameful exploitation of the Syrians for its own political interest,

Posted by: Virgile | Nov 15 2015 0:10 utc | 166
UPDATE: U.S. intelligence official tells CBS News Syrian passport recovered in #Paris attacks might be fake

A new twist on an old tale. A few ppl are getting wise to the "found passport con" so they change up the story a bit. Diversion. Smokescreen. Bullshit. Real or fake passport, makes no difference. Nobody gonna carry identification of any kind on their person during the commission of an act of wholesale murder for Chrisakes.

Q Bono? The Western Warmongers with a hard on to take out Assad. Yes they have lots of power. Hollande will be a rich man. He gives no shit about screwing Paris Tourism.

Posted by: fast freddy | Nov 15 2015 0:11 utc | 167

@154 "So which is it?"

I would suggest that the answer is that countries like France are playing a double game, and that they regard ISIS is merely a ragbag of dupes and stooges to be played to their advantage.

The problem with that is that the "dupe" is, well, "duped".

He doesn't know he is supposed to behave according to a script that has been written for him and, therefore, he will occasionally turn around and do something unexpected.

Something like this.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 15 2015 0:13 utc | 168

plenue at 154

"i don't think anyone here supports ISIS, or the murder, mayhem and maiming of innocent people...." This is untrue; while I do not support mayhem in general, I do actively support the mayhem that comes from a good general strike.

I think you've correctly observed, not all murder here is treated equally. Our "anti-imperialist/anti-zionist" contingent is quite selective in their condemnations and denunciations. Because, "Zion-nazis."

The more I think about my earlier, modified attribution to American football, dowdy bistros, and bro-country fans, the more I like it.

Footballers and the country fans will overlap. You see some brutal competition in food service. I'm sure Aramark and/or Sysco are involved as well. Probably Mickey D's, they've been having a rough patch of late.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 15 2015 0:14 utc | 169

@164. It's not my plan, it's a speculation about what the US/NATO/west plans in order to create and maintain a unipolar world. One important assumption I have is that the US has no real desire to eradicate ISIS. If NATO enters Syria, the objective would be to remove Assad and prevent Russia from backing a Shia alliance to challenge Saudi/Israeli/US power in the ME. I bet Putin has similar suspicions.

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Nov 15 2015 0:25 utc | 170

@169 rufus.. you really have turned into a one trick pony, haven't you?

Posted by: james | Nov 15 2015 0:25 utc | 171

As alluded to by others, when you pay desperate people a lot of money (relative to personal economic conditions), they'll follow orders. You can't call it blowback if it was ordained by the money changers.

They've already told you what they want to do: Full Spectrum Dominance, Remap - splinter apart, smash any functioning state in the MENA, Manifest Destiny, no sharing, refuses to get along with others....

Coo Coo Clark, 7 in 5

Posted by: fast freddy | Nov 15 2015 0:27 utc | 172

In a rational world the western powers would sit down and take a sober look at their own policies and come to the correct conclusions.

Like: smashing down functioning (even if despotic) states and balkanizing what remains is perhaps not a wise way to behave, since it is in that chaos that the jihadists are thriving.

Like: "moderate rebels"? WTF? Whoever focus-grouped that slogan should have a gun shoved in their hands and told to march on Raqqa. Tell the Russians to keep prodding them in the back with bayonets, all the better to encourage them forward.

Like: Everyone in the world except Turkey and Saudi Arabia appears to have a beef with ISIS. How odd. Maybe the House of Saud and the AKP are the real problem here.

Like: Perhaps the fact that we have been doing the same thing in the Middle East for nearly 25 years and EVERYTHING IS WORSE suggests that we are taking our advice from the wrong people. Let's stop taking their advice.

Like: What is so wrong about Assad? He doesn't blow up our planes, and he doesn't send suicide bombers against our football stadiums. He does, however, go out of his way to kill those who do. Maybe we should cut him some slack.

Like: The "allies" we have in the Middle East are - well, let's be honest here - they are proving themselves to be singularly useless. Maybe we need some new ones. Someone look up the country code for Iran, because whatever else they are those guys will fight. Same with Hezbollah. Get Nasrallah on the phone....

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 15 2015 0:38 utc | 173

@173 yeah, right.. it's nice to dream..

Posted by: james | Nov 15 2015 0:46 utc | 174

I'm a bit confused here. [...] you make comments about 'reaping what you sow'. So which is it? Do you approve of fighting ISIS or not?

Posted by: Plenue | Nov 14, 2015 5:52:07 PM | 154

It takes time for the seeds to grow into a crop. France prides itself as a centrally important power in "The West". And thus selects some "Western projects" and participates enthusiastically. From experience in Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq they should know damn well that after a fall of an authoritarian government you may get a very nasty kind of Hobbesian anarchy, which either stabilizes as a government as authoritarian as before, or does not stabilize at all, leading to mass destruction of life and any kind of infrastructure that raises the life above medieval level. With that foreknowledge, France championed and enthusiastically participated in the destruction of Libyan government with, surprise! exactly those results. The local unsupervised spill-over was a nasty war in the neighboring Mali. But that was far too little!

Arms from Libyan armories that were not scooped by local jihadists for the local use (or in nearby countries, see Mali) were collected by CIA and transported for the use of Syrian jihadists, and the time quite "moderate". Benghazi debacle seems to be a conflict between CIA collecting the arms for Syrian use and local jihadists who wanted to keep them in Libya, plus CIA wanted to build local favorites, so some jihadists were automatically dissed. Bad is a puppet that bites the hand that keeps it, and the converse is that the West is a very bad puppeteer. But who cares, onward to the real adventure! And France joined the "road to Damascus".

France is the home of some most obtuse, verbose and vain neo-con gasbags, and the prime specimen is Bernard-Henri Lévy. Apostles of humanitarian intervention. So to further the causes of humanity, liberty, fraternity and equality, France joined the project of supplying rebels with arms, and a much more profitable sideline, selling arms to Gulfies who plied their favorite rebels with arms. The problem with plowing the fields and sowing seeds is that in actuality, what can grow are not the moderate tasty varieties that you had in mind, but hardy survivors. Perhaps ecologically more proper comparison is burning a forest. Some species specialize in fast growth that is possible when the competition is removed by fire. This is roughly where IS came from. The leader is an alumnus of Iraqi prisons and torture, military competent collaborators are "remnants" of Saddam military, those who adapted to an environment of hit-and-run and urban terror. As Syrian rebels were alternatively defeated and dispersed or emerging back, many trickled to the best organized force in the field, and this is roughly how ISI grew into ISIS and al-Nusra.

The leaders in the West notices at least two years ago that things go "pear shaped", and they coined the most immoral strategy imaginable: not letting anyone win. Which means, mayhem forever. Basically, whoever would win in Syria would make a very uncomfortable neighbor for Israel. So rebels were treated to intensified supplies when they were loosing, and some bombing and lesser aid when they were winning too much. Nothing justifies bombing and shooting people in residential neighborhoods, be it Paris, Ankara or Beirut, but the Western policies more or less guaranteed it. Terrorism is vicious and often TOTALLY irrational, but in this case, France participated in the project to hone their viciousness and irrationality in an unending civil war, that was not ending by Western design. So for that, and for Bernard-Henri Lévy, and for the shills who chortled at Russians and Lebanese, my eyes are not as wet as they should be.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 15 2015 0:47 utc | 175

Is this yet another False Flag terror attack to justify either more NATO/American/French aggresson against Syria and/or an expansion of the French police state?

The bit about conveniently finding a Syrian passport at the attack in Paris is ludicrous and reminiscient of how the Americans conveniently found Mohammed Atta's passport in the World Trade Center rubble after 9-11. Same thing with the Charlie Hebdo attack.

This attack, like many other so-called terrorist attacks (Hebdo, London Tube bombing, Boston Bombing, and of course 9-11), seems like an updated verison of Operation Gladio, where Western regimes and their spy agencies staged terror attacks on their own people and then blamed them on Leftist patsy groups.

Posted by: Martin | Nov 15 2015 0:59 utc | 176

Who engineered this attack? As you know, acts of terrorism are generally arranged by State actors altho often employing proxies.

-- Either their own intel/security personnel as part of rogue elements of the State (Deep State) Often w help from outside intel, esp US or Mossad. Goal is manipulation of public opinion, generally a psyop to make citizens accept something they're resisting. Goal is usually announced w/in 48 hours while public mind is still traumatized.

--Or, as an act of war by an opponent govt, with destabilization or punishment as the goal-- or to alter the victim govt's planned actions (intimidation).

I would make the "refugee" "crisis" part of enabling the terror attack, even if only as cover. There is evidence that only a few were refugees or even from war-torn areas. Most were economic migrants stockpiled by Erdogan w UN funds & released by Turkey & financially enabled to make the trip. In the past Europe has handled large migrant waves quite competently, but on this occasion every past procedure was abandoned by every country. (The procedures are still in place against Ukrainians). Starikov is correct that only one country has the ability to have compelled this inexplicable behavior. So they are not refugees & it was engineered, not a spontaneous crisis, and it was purposely amplified by their press.

The terrorism: Since rogue French elements were clearly in on Charlie Hebdo, I would think they're probably in on this, too. Since the "refugee" "crisis" was Europe-wide it may be that the terrorism will be Europe-wide too. If this occurs then it's even more likely that other intel orgs were involved-- CIA & Mossad are the usual suspects + maybe Germany's BND. US appears to have engineered the immigration & the deficient response to it. Makes it even more likely they facilitated/designed the terrorism.


-- Demonstrations banned in order to facilitate TPP signing. Other govt protests??

-- Intimidate the vassal govts, esp for complaints against US recklessness vis a vis Russia, and against more weapons/troops deployed in Europe.

-- Reverse the centrifugal forces pulling EU apart. Fearful citizenry want security. (The Russians Are Coming campaign was effective in stopping anti-EU, anti-NATO sentiment a year ago in Eastern Europe).

-- Undercut the Progressive French political/social element, whose goals are????

-- Increase anti-Muslim sentiment in advance of military action against some add'l Muslim country-- Saudi Arabia? Remember that US has always kept simmering the idea that the Saudis paid for 9/11, & the "pilots" were Saudis. Interesting to see what country is made the patsy for the French terrorism. Blaming the Russian plane crash on ISIS certainly stokes anti-Muslim feeling.

-- Trouble in Euroland strengthens the dollar, which is approaching a crisis on the eve of a G20 meeting where, in the past, the ground was prepared for abandonment of the dollar as reserve currency. (Tell you about it next open comment line)

-- Increased French participation in Syria, air or ground. IMO unlikely. However:

-- Change US opinion to permit US increased participation in Syria on the ground.
This could be a neocon project for this purpose; if so, it will not succeed.

The investigation: Anyone they arrest will either be a patsy, a know-nothing or he'll commit suicide-- unless he's released as an innocent, name withheld.

Can you think of any other possible goals I've left out?

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 15 2015 1:02 utc | 177

During WW2 both Ford and Chevy, for example, sold equipment to both the Nazi's and The Allied Forces. That's a great money maker - the profits! It stands as an example - a model of corporate behavior today.

Posted by: fast freddy | Nov 15 2015 1:02 utc | 178

So the French govt felt it was ok for the Syrian people to experience what you just had a taste of: "Here, fellas, have some MORE guns." And the French govt felt it was OK for the Libyans to experience it, too: "Hey, how's about we'll be your airforce fellas. We got a no-fly against Gaddafi, but no reason that should bother us French."

I sure hope the French people are more adept at throwing the rascals out than we Americans are.

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 15 2015 1:12 utc | 179

P- 177

Early reports claimed that ALL the terrorists had been killed. (ridiculous).

Such reports and the haste in their dissemination are also part and parcel of FF operations. Also changing stories meant to frighten, befuddle and confuse.

Posted by: fast freddy | Nov 15 2015 1:12 utc | 180

- France also wanted to participate in the air strikes that were supposed to hit Syria in september 2013. But the attacks were stopped at the last moment.

- The bombs that exploded near the Stade de France were supposed to explode inside the stadium.

Posted by: Willy2 | Nov 15 2015 1:25 utc | 181

@174 James, there will be people in the governments of Western countries who will be making those points.

They'll be the smart ones, or the competent ones.

And I would not argue with the proposition that they are well and truly marginalized by those who merely think themselves smart, or by those who are breathtakingly stupid, irredeemably bigoted, or just plain ol' venal.


But there will be pockets of commonsense even inside the Washington beltway and in the Élysée Palace.

And, ya' never know, sometimes things get so bad that even the stupid gain some dim understanding of the depth of their own stupidity, the bigoted are called out for their bigotry, and the venal fall from grace.

It happens.

Not recently, no, but it does happen.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 15 2015 1:40 utc | 182

One must say what's absolutely taboo: the West is excited by these terrorist attacks. The spectacle is entertaining, enthralling and galvanizing, and gives a release of nationalist passions and bloodthirst. Fundamentally with these terror attacks there is relief: relief that something is happening. Everyone's guilty. No less a Parisian than Jean Baudrillard was the first and one of the only ones to point out this unspeakable universal mood after 9/11.

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 15 2015 1:44 utc | 183

@177 Penelope, ISIS engineered this attack.

It is fair to ask who, exactly, is backing ISIS will material support (think: Turkey and Saudi Arabia, each for their own reasons).

Sure, just as it is fair to ask who talks the talk against ISIS but who's efforts are decidedly half-hearted (think: USA and Israel).

Those are fair questions, but there is no question who "engineered this attack".

ISIS did, and they seem quite pleased with themselves.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 15 2015 1:46 utc | 184

The dragon's teeth have been sown and watered with blood. As with the Gladio programs of old, it's a risky measure for manufacturing consent. It can be seen, moreover, as a preparation of the battlefield; and the aim is a coarsening of the spirit, and the fanning of rage, --the further effect being an acceptance more authoritarian measures.

Posted by: Copeland | Nov 15 2015 1:48 utc | 185

Martin @ 176,

Good comment. But just want you to know that the Boston Bombing, like the Sandy Hook massacre, were actually HOAXES. No one was injured in either.

Boston Bombing was a smoke bomb & a line of people stood blocking the view while the "crisis actors" positioned themselves. Two different people got excellent pictures from offices above. As you look at the sequential photographs it becomes clear. People who are supposedly severely injured only lie down just before their turn with the cameraman. Didn't you think it was awfully camera-convenient when they used a wheel-chair to deliver the double-amputee to the ambulance-- with his leg all uncovered for the camera? He was holding that phoney Hollywood leg prosthesis on the whole time.

Or try this: Often with the terrible leg injuries our soldiers experience they must choose a fusion either for standing or sitting permanently. When the amputations are above the knee they often choose fusion for sitting. This means that when one lies down, the stumps point upwards.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for someone whose leg is injured in the way we are shown, to lie on his back on the sidewalk while holding that leg up in the air. The muscle that lifts the thigh up can only contract to lift it if the muscle is attached to the knee or bone-end. Unless there's a fusion.

Yet he is shown in these photos w his legs held straight up. And, he is left until last to be photographed, while Cowboy-Hat is seen lounging around waiting.

You actually see one lady, who I think is the City Auditor, put her makeup on! Requires least patience, spoon-fed w identifying captions. This is where more photographic evidence of fraud is. Requires patience

Sorry to go on like this. Most events are real, but blamed on a patsy. I only know of those two that are complete hoaxes. Drives me bats that people believe the media.

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 15 2015 1:50 utc | 186

james at 171 --

Actually, no, despite casual anti-semitism being a problem here. I posted recently on the apparent re-emergence of war in the Ukraine. But no one gives a rat's ass about the real fascists.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 15 2015 2:14 utc | 187

#184 Yeah Right: The thing is, "support" and "engineered" are not mutually exclusive categories.

Sure, Daesh has capacities to carry our major operations on familiar terrain. But even there, it receives significant "support" from its US-led backers, including convoys of supplies from across the Turkish border, air-dropped arms from NATO planes, and high grade US intelligence related to the tactical movements of the Syrian and Iraqi armies.

In Paris, it's highly likely Daesh received "support" that was every bit as critical to that operation's so-called success. Inside help, in other words.

That doesn't make it a false flag; it simply means coordination occurred at a senior level.

Posted by: Laker | Nov 15 2015 2:24 utc | 188

@182 yeah, right..fair enough and all of which i agree with.

@186 penelope.. there are some of us here who don't see the events you list as a hoax..i am baffled by your viewpoint here..

@187 rufus.. people respond selectively here and everywhere else that i know of.. i try to stay on topic with the thread, but it can be tricky.. antisemitism, or what is happening with ukraine would be a good example of OT for this thread, but maybe i am in a minority in wanting that to be on the ot thread.. it is why i called you a one trick pony though..

Posted by: james | Nov 15 2015 2:25 utc | 189

Here is a link to the Reuters summary of the "agreement" today from Vienna, as a result of the Paris attacks.

It reads to me like a lot of posturing and chest beating but potentially little substance. Events are moving quickly these days so who knows if this situation will be eclipsed by yet another horror next week.

I also want to add to comments that I believe that Russia is not standing alone but has China's backing as well as many other countries. I believe there is a serious re-alignment of allegiances going on and as soon as China can turn on its alternative global finance "backroom", a call will be made for another Bretton Woods type of meeting. Just because the IMF has given the green light to inclusion of the China currency into the SDR formula does not mean it will pass the US Congress.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 15 2015 2:47 utc | 190

Yes yes, I know, everything is a false flag operation with you guys. Geez.

Posted by: Plenue | Nov 15 2015 2:58 utc | 191

is this something that we have seen before? where?

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Nov 15 2015 3:02 utc | 192

@191 plenue.. that is the last time i and the others here who gave you a sincere straight answer will respond to your fucking bullshite.. thanks for clarifying your position ignoramus..

Posted by: james | Nov 15 2015 3:04 utc | 193

it seems that one of the attackers or accomplice's in this Paris attack was from Montenegro. I recall from the early days during the Western attack on Yugoslavia in the early 1990s that Saudi Arabia began building Wahabi mosque's in Bosnia and other regions (say Kosovo and Montenegro) with large Muslim populations. Perhaps those early Saudi investments are starting to pay off! Maybe it is about time to target the real backers for this "Islamic" terrorism, namely Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: ToivoS | Nov 15 2015 3:09 utc | 194


Yes, to address the disparaging remarks that have been made about "conspiracy theorizing": [...]

Conspiracy theories are a slippery slope, and the comments I have seen about the use of them here, fail to distinguish a conspiracy theory from an speculation. There are lots of comment of a speculative nature, natural after events such as the ones being debated, but imho, the majority of posters are being careful not to go down the conspiracy theory route.

[...]First the fascist coup in Kiev in the following February followed by the obvious MH17 false flag [...]

By this definition of false flag, and I quote, "[...]Peter Dale Scott argues that false flags are methods used by deep states as a form of deep politics," the coup d'etat in Kiev was also a false flag, as it meets the conceptual requirements,

[...]False flag or black flag describes covert operations that are designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them.

Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may (by extension) be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation [...]

The concept of false flag/black flag has its origin in the military milieu, it evolved to comprehend its use in a political environment, but it will have to be updated to include its use in hybrid warfare, the kind we are facing and witnessing in the here and now.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Nov 15 2015 3:23 utc | 195

jas at 193 --

You're welcome to add me to the list. I agree with plenue.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 15 2015 3:24 utc | 196

@196.. done.... you are now on the ignore bozo's list..

Posted by: james | Nov 15 2015 3:40 utc | 197


Posted by: Neretva'43 | Nov 15 2015 3:49 utc | 198

he, he, he.... it seems "clumsiness" is starting to emerge.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Nov 15 2015 3:55 utc | 199

A Syrian passport was found near one of the perpetrators of the attacks in Paris on Friday night, where checks are underway, told AFP Saturday from police sources. This passport was "found near one of the bodies of the attackers," affirmed to AFP sources said. According to these sources, this document was recovered in the investigations conducted after the carnage of the Bataclan in Paris (at least 82 dead).

It belonged to a Syrian passport migrant registered upon his arrival on a Greek island in October, said Saturday the Greek Minister of Public Protection Nikos Toskas. "The Syrian passport holder arrived October 3 by the Greek island of Leros where it was registered under the rules of the European Union," assured Mr. Toskas in a statement. French investigators have not determined at this stage whether the passport was indeed that of the attacker.

Posted by: Neretva'43 | Nov 15 2015 4:02 utc | 200

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