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November 14, 2015

What Preceded The Islamic State Attacks In France - Some Links (Updated)

This happened last night: At least 120 dead in Paris attacks, Hollande declares emergency

Gunmen and bombers attacked restaurants, a concert hall and a sports stadium at locations across Paris on Friday, killing at least 120 people in a deadly rampage that a shaken President Francois Hollande called an unprecedented terrorist attack.

The Islamic State claims responsibility (English version) for the attack.

But who weaponized and financed the Islamic State or prior organizations in Syria and Iraq from which this terror attack grew? Is this cartoon justified?

Cartoon of the day by Carlos Latuff

Consider:

In 2012 - Hollande admits arming Syrian rebels in breach of embargo - book

The French president has admitted delivering weapons to the Syrian rebels during a period of EU embargo, a new book about to be published in France reveals.

The deliveries took place in 2012, before the embargo was canceled in May 2013, according to François Hollande's last year interview with journalist and writer Xavier Panon. "We began when we were certain they would end up in the right hands. For the lethal weapons it was our services who delivered them," Hollande told the writer, ...

Okt 2012 - Rebel Arms Flow Is Said to Benefit Jihadists in Syria

WASHINGTON — Most of the arms shipped at the behest of Saudi Arabia and Qatar to supply Syrian rebel groups fighting the government of Bashar al-Assad are going to hard-line Islamic jihadists, and not the more secular opposition groups that the West wants to bolster, according to American officials and Middle Eastern diplomats.

Dec 2012 - France funding Syrian rebels in new push to oust Assad

France has emerged as the most prominent backer of Syria's armed opposition and is now directly funding rebel groups around Aleppo as part of a new push to oust the embattled Assad regime.

Large sums of cash have been delivered by French government proxies across the Turkish border to rebel commanders in the past month, diplomatic sources have confirmed. The money has been used to buy weapons inside Syria and to fund armed operations against loyalist forces.

Aug 2014 - France delivered arms to Syrian rebels, Hollande confirms

President Francois Hollande said on Thursday that France had delivered weapons to rebels battling the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad “a few months ago.”
Nov 2015
Murad Gazdiev @MuradoRT
French APILAS rocket launcher supplied to #syria rebels fall into hands of #ISIS. Pics from #Deraa, Southern #Syria
12:09 PM - 6 Nov 2015


Jun 2014 - 'Thank God for the Saudis': ISIS, Iraq, and the Lessons of Blowback

[T]wo of the most successful factions fighting Assad’s forces are Islamist extremist groups: Jabhat al-Nusra and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the latter of which is now amassing territory in Iraq and threatening to further destabilize the entire region. And that success is in part due to the support they have received from two Persian Gulf countries: Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Qatar’s military and economic largesse has made its way to Jabhat al-Nusra, to the point that a senior Qatari official told me he can identify al-Nusra commanders by the blocks they control in various Syrian cities. But ISIS is another matter. As one senior Qatari official stated, “ISIS has been a Saudi project.”

France benefited from its support for the U.S.-Wahhabi regime change project in Syria and Iraq by getting huge orders for military equipment from the medieval Wahhabi regimes:

Apr 2015 - France and Qatar seal $7 billion Rafale fighter jet deal

Qatar has agreed to buy 24 Dassault Aviation-built Rafale fighter jets in a 6.3-billion-euro (4.55 billion pounds) deal, the French government said on Thursday, as the Gulf Arab state looks to boost its military firepower in an increasingly unstable region.

June 2015 - Saudi Arabia and France ink $12bln deal

Saudi Arabia and France agreed Wednesday to sign $12 billion of deals, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubair said during a landmark visit by Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to Paris.

Even after it became obvious for everyone that the regime change project in Syria has led to an expansion of terrorism Hollande was still demanding the end of the Syrian state.

Sept 2015 - François Hollande of France Says Assad Must Go

President François Hollande of France told the United Nations General Assembly on Monday that his country would “shoulder its responsibilities” in global efforts to end the fighting in Syria, but that the conflict could be resolved only if President Bashar al-Assad was removed from power.

Can Hollande now change his tune?

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maybe totally ignorant bozo is better for plenue..

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2015 5:31 utc | 301

@300 Eunelp 'Actually I care about evidence.'

Well then believe your lyin' eyes. The reason the collapse of each one of the three towers looks like controlled demolition is because for the greater part of their descent they fell freely - that is, as fast Galileo's balls fell from the Tower of Pisa with absolutely nothing but air to break their fall. The only way that can happen to a building collapsing into its own footprint is if that which was formally 'breaking its fall' - aka holding it up - is suddenly removed. Say via controlled demolition. Or maybe by 'Islamists' - or Israelis - together exerting their collective willpower and removing that support? I'll go with controlled demolition. Look for evidence of that and you'll find it, too.

After one accepts the reality of what happened, of how the buildings actually did come down - the evidence of one's own lyin' eyes - the speculation starts. Who done it? Why?

But what and how are not in dispute. The evidence is right before your eyes. I offer this by way of expanding @297 for others who may be following this hemidemiquaver ... I was not as clear above as I hoped to be.

I am resigned to my keystrokes being wasted on the imperturbable Eunelp - and friends - and will now give james, and all of us, including myself a rest on this subject. We all have our views on it and, apparently, we're all stickin' to 'em.

Posted by: jfl | Nov 18 2015 6:31 utc | 302

G77 and jfl, 291 & 264 –

Wiki is a convenient reference. Typically it states the range of opinion on the matter and is reasonably balanced. I cannot of course to speak to all articles; I've seen evidence that some (e.g., on the Banderists, as you note) are massaged by "them."

Please note who I quoted -- academics on the subject, one of whom Ganser even cites. At a minimum, Riste would seem quite well qualified.

That they are "scholarly reviews that fly in the face of actual evidence" would be up to you prove, not declaim. I'll go with scholars over the likes of Infowars or Beforeitnews.com any day.

I’d prefer that you dealt with the critiques of Ganser rather than spin another conspiracy about how Wiki is used. And perhaps read the article.

Wiki in this case struck me as reasonably fair. “The role of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in Gladio and the extent of its activities during the Cold War era, and any relationship to terrorist attacks perpetrated in Italy during the "Years of Lead" (late 1960s to early 1980s) is the subject of debate. Switzerland and Belgium have had parliamentary inquiries into the matter.”

I cherry-picked what I wanted of course, but I don't think I was unfair. As you see, his fans have their problem with the guy's work.

Lawrence Kaplan wrote a mixed review commending Ganser... but also arguing that "...a master plan centred in NATO's military headquarters requires a stretch of facts that Ganser cannot manage." Kaplan believes that some of Ganser's conspiracy theories "may be correct", but that "they do damage to the book's credibility." In a mostly positive review for the journal Cold War History, Beatrice Heuser praises Ganser's "fascinating study" while also noting that "It would definitely have improved the work if Ganser had used a less polemical tone, and had occasionally conceded that the Soviet Empire was by no means nicer." Security analyst John Prados writes "Ganser... presents evidence... that Gladio networks amounted to anti-democratic elements in their own societies."

To your point on "book reviews of who knows what source," here's Hansen's s actual review -- https://web.archive.org/web/20070826145603/http://www.intelligence-history.org/jih/reviews-5-1.html">http://www.intelligence-history.org/jih/reviews-5-1.html">https://web.archive.org/web/20070826145603/http://www.intelligence-history.org/jih/reviews-5-1.html -- the double "http" in the archive address not liked by html.

They very conveniently cited it via hyperlink. I looked for one or two others briefly, without success. Here's a factoid that might give you a sense of Roskilde, a 70's foundation -- the history faculty is in the Department of Culture and Identity.

You might wish to check the “Talk” on the Wiki for both Gladio and U.S. Army Field Manual 30-31B and see if you can find any actual evidence of the sort of editing that you allege. Folks went to bat for Genser on the manual.

I continue to see why he's so popular. He is also a noted September 11 “truther” for whom “Islamic terrorism is a false threat used by the United States as a cover for war to acquire oil.” Sadly, I think all too many Americans are perfectly fine with war for oil, so no cover is needed, especially at such a high price.

That page, BTW, is the underlying source for much of Wiki's review quoted above. Seriously, Barflies, some interesting stuff, browsing the topic links is highly recommended, regardless of your views.

So I think that any further discussion of the question would need to begin by specifying particular acts imputed to Gladio.

But I note with interest jfl's remarks on the question of Gladio's use for terrorism. "There may be no ironclad proof yet, but neither is there an ironclad refutation." And the self-description, "weasely." Me and my pesky standards, I require proof positive.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 18 2015 6:34 utc | 303

plenue at 300 --

I'm first! Ha, ha!

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 18 2015 6:44 utc | 304

@302

I love it! You literally don't know anything. You spend so much time in your conspiracy circle-jerk that you've never stuck your head out to notice that you're just spouting one of many long debunked myths. You've perfectly proven that the "do your research" types have themselves done no actual research. Believe my lying eyes? Okay. Video and photos of the collapse clearly show falling debris below the collapsing towers. How could they both be falling at free-fall speeds? The visual record of the collapse coupled with the seismographic record clearly demonstrate a collapse time substantially longer than free-fall speeds would have caused.

You're also completely contradicting yourself. The free-fall speeds myth is based on the assumption of a control demolition, but at you admit the hijackers were real. So you're admitting planes were flown into the tower. So, what? The planes were cover for demolition? The planes alone couldn't have caused the collapse? Let me guess, "jet fuel can't melt steel beams"? You do understand that one is so monumentally stupid that it's become a meme, right? Everyone makes fun of you guys for that one.

Also, you completely failed to actually answer any of my questions at @297. Saying it was a legitimate attack secretly controlled by the Pentagon/White House/Langley doesn't actually answer anything. In fact it raises more questions. Why conduct an attack using assets not from the places you want to attack (in fact quite the opposite) and not having any connection to them? Well? And "I don't know, but I know it happened because reasons" isn't an answer.

Oh, and a search for Eunelp only lead me to some astrological nonsense. I'm sure you think that's meaningful, you fringe types love astrology and numerology. The wonderful thing about arbitrary, made up mystical bullshit is that you can find "meaningful" connections anywhere. My name comes from the Cowon Plenue, a South Korean personal media player. Great sound, sup-par hardware specs, overpriced when it was released. I liked the name. Here's the website: http://cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/plenue1/

Posted by: Plenue | Nov 18 2015 22:40 utc | 305

re 299

laguere quote "Bataclan is Jewish-owned" it was for about 40 years or so up until approx 2 months before this event..
As I discovered. Maybe jihadis are not so up to date.

In any case, the group, Eagles of Death Metal, are notoriously pro-Israeli. That's more important than the venue, or the two together.

I don't know whether that played a role, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 18 2015 23:45 utc | 306

Let's face facts. The attack on Paris was a reprisal for what the French have done, reasonable or or not. If you attack, there's likely to be a response. There's no reason to complain, if you don't like what happens.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 18 2015 23:59 utc | 307

@51
"All Mosques should be closed, clerics expelled or incarcerated, underground mosques defined as criminal conspiracy, etc."

About what Rome did to the early Christians, except that the clerics were crucified or fed to the lions.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 19 2015 13:48 utc | 308

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