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November 17, 2015
Russia’s Lavrov: U.S. Is Not Seriously Fighting Against The Islamic State

Throughout the last week the Russian airforce updated its target list in Syria. Plans were prepared, units designated, ammunition was loaded.

Today President Putin announced that the destruction of a Russian airliner with 224 people on board over the Sinai peninsula had indeed been an Islamic State terror attack. Traces of explosives were found on parts of the debris.

The Russian mission in Syria is no longer just to help the Syrian government but is now a matter of Russian national self-defense. The Russian parliament was not shy in assigning guilt:

"The recent tragic developments confirm the topicality of Russia’s continuous warnings that permanent destabilization in the Middle East by those who claim global dominance, primarily the United States, could lead to the expansion of the zone of bloody chaos and entail numerous human tragedies," the document says. "France and other European states are, as a matter of fact, reaping the consequences of Washington’s nearsighted and selfish policy."

There will now be no backing out for Russia and no time limit.

At the same time as Putin spoke Russian ships in the Caspian sea, submarines in the Mediterranean and long range strategic strike bombers flying from Russia launched 34 cruise missiles against Islamic State targets in Syria.

The Russian defense ministry announced that it would double its strikes in Syria using 5 TU-160, 6 TU-95MS, 14 TU-22m3. 8 SU-34 and 4 SU-27sm in addition to the 34 airplanes already in Syria. The new assets are long-range and will mostly fly directly from Russia. They will attack the static targets which the Russian and Syrian intelligence will designate. The planes in Syria will now take a more tactical role in direct combat air support for the Syrian army and the allied forces on the ground. The strike capacity will immediately double and it is planned to further increase it.

The French, now bombing IS in retaliation for the attack in Paris, are also adding to their strike capacity by moving their airplane carrier towards the Syrian coast. President Putin personally ordered the Russian ships in the Mediterranean to recognize the French forces as allies. This may be an opening to France and an offer to Hollande to leave his anti-Syrian stance and to stop his support for anti-Syrian insurgents.

After Putin shamed Obama into bombing Islamic State oil truck assemblies his Foreign Minister Lavrov went a step further. He directly accused the U.S. of not being serious about fighting the Islamic State:

"The problem around the U.S.-led coalition is that despite the fact that they declared its goal in fighting exclusively the Islamic State and other terrorists and pledged not to take any action against the Syrian army (…), analysis of the strikes delivered by the United States and its coalition at terrorist positions over the past year drives us to a conclusion that these were selective, I would say sparing, strikes and in the majority of cases spared those Islamic State groups that were capable of pressing the Syrian army," he said.

"It looks like a cat that wants to eat a fish but doesn’t want to wet its feet. They want the Islamic State to weaken Assad as soon as possible to force him to step down this or that way but they don’t want to see Islamic State strong enough to take power."

That the U.S. was not seriously fighting the Islamic State was obvious to any observer but it is now a public position stated by Russia and the U.S. will have to react to.

Maybe Lavrov hopes he can goad the U.S. into getting more serious about the Islamic State. With the background of the attacks in Paris and against the Russian plane (more are likely to come) the chances for that are not too bad.

The "isolated" Russia that was never actually isolated is not isolated anymore. The U.S. rhetorical position is now defensive as Russia is taking the lead in the fight against IS. But it still wants to look like its is doing something:

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Tuesday his country is starting an operation with Turkey to finish securing the northern Syrian border.

"The entire border of northern Syria – 75 percent of it has now been shut off. And we are entering an operation with the Turks to shut off the other remaining 98 kilometers," he said in an interview with CNN.

That is not much of a change at all. Crossing the border and smuggling will in future require either a Turkish secret service or CIA permit. A real change in the U.S. position will only come when its stops the support for the various forces fighting against the Syrian government. But that may require an even bigger shock than the attack in Paris or the downing of a Russian plane.

Comments

@alex@97
Boom!
I would say the Russians need bigger bombs, or a bomb saturation program.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Nov 18 2015 20:45 utc | 101

@lonewolf,
Yes indeed.I’m sure they will get round to a more inclusive type bomb.

Posted by: alex | Nov 18 2015 21:05 utc | 102

@Lone Wolf | 100
Something like this? 🙂
https://youtu.be/CQpxNA-uku4?t=37s

Posted by: Harry | Nov 18 2015 21:13 utc | 103

@Harry@102
Something like this? 🙂
Yup, exactly like that. Russians need to rain a living hell on this cannibal head-choppers, killers of innocent children. They need to send a message to their handlers back in Langley/KSA/Turkey/UK/NATOstan that the Russians are serious, and will fiercely retaliate in kind to whoever attacks their people or their security.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Nov 18 2015 21:59 utc | 104

Thanks, Demian@98 – Not sure if ‘Olympic Inferno’ is a before bed watch, but I will perhaps give it a try tomorrow. (I’m okay on the alphabet.) I watched ‘Admiral’ – thought it quite an interesting look at the White Russian campaign with a sort of ‘Titanic’ feel to it.
It might be just me with ‘Russian Ark’ but when I figured out some of the enigmatic parts (not all) I liked them very much.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 19 2015 1:52 utc | 105

Interesting analysis from a year ago http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/09/26/french-president-hollande-says-isis-terror-caused-by-global-warming/

Posted by: aaaaaa | Nov 19 2015 2:36 utc | 106

Lavrov (on Russia not bombing in Iraq): “We were not invited or asked. We are a polite people as you know. We don’t come if we’re not invited.”
Lavrov (on US bombing efforts): “It looks like a cat that wants to eat a fish but doesn’t want to wet its feet.”
It must gall some in the MSM that Lavrov is constantly feeding sound-bites that are absolute gold and…. they dare not use any of ’em in their reporting.
Instead they have to air the nonsense spouted by nutters such as Angry McCain, or The Donald, or any number of “expert” talking-heads who drone on and on displaying their tunnel-vision.
But there’s Lavrov, and his words are just perfect for the six o’clock news, and…. they can’t use it.
Heaven forbid that the sheeple get some inkling that those Russkies are actually way smarter than our useless cabal of hopeless apparatchiks.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 19 2015 4:41 utc | 107

Jackrabbit @ 52, I think Obama jabbers neocon rhetoric in order to avoid confronting them on philosophy. Instead he’s covert about it; he delays, he says no, when he must he givesin but w the least substance; when he appears to give in on a policy like the Pentagon’s training of moderate fighters he undermined that program in ludicrous detail. Even when he finally gave in on Carter’s boots on the ground, he only gave him 50 “advisors” while really heavy-hitters & editorials were calling for no-fly, buffer zones, confrontation, invasion, etc. It is flabbergasting how often the policy contradicts the rhetoric.
jfl, I am NOT saying that I like the man; I can’t stand to listen to him, but his BEHAVIOR, apart from his rhetoric– all the way back to Geneva talks on Syria in 2012 has been to make peace in Syria. He almost succeeded in 2012, but was blocked by Petraeus, Clinton & Feltman. I do not claim that it is conviction that motivates him; I don’t know whether it’s carrots or sticks motivating him & I don’t know for sure who else is in his faction which tries to step back from aggressive military efforts to conquer the world. I think the Rockefellers & anglophiles. Whoever it is, they are not fighting for democracy but only for more pragmatic strategies to consolidate their damned NWO.
Iran has helped in Syria since at least the fall of Palmyra & the US has said nada. The very day the nuke deal was signed Lavrov announced that there was now no obstacle their working with Iran to defeat ISIS. He never stopped saying it while Obama removed the command & control ship for the Patriots, and Russia slowly built up in Latakia. US CANNOT have been taken in surprise by this, because Terry Meyssan announced it 1 full week before even the Israelis started yelling.
I know you are all stuck on the romantic idea that US was stunned & Putin was courageously defiant, but it’s too apathetic for the one, and too incautios for the other. Russia’s actions were too easily halted, if US wanted them halted. Electronic jamming that makes communications & radar inpossible does not prevent bombing runways, or blockading the shoreline, or more sanctions. None of these occurred cuz there was a deal cut as a side-agreement to the Iranian nuke deal.
According to Starikov, Russia dares not nationalize her currency and issue it as needed, but must continue to issue it only in an amount equivalent to the value of her exports– thus grossly inhibiting her economy– all because US will not permit it. And as a result the Duma won’t vote for it. Yet, I am asked to believe that the Duma gave a near-unanimous vote to act defiantly against US wishes, militarily!? Poppycock! There was a deal.
Nations make secret deals all the time, often because they don’t want to let on that they are betraying allies. (KSA & Israel in this case) I only hope that it includes ALL of Syria, not excluding the North. I suspect that depends upon action on the ground only, and that is passing out of Obama’s ability to contain.

Posted by: Penelope | Nov 19 2015 5:05 utc | 108

Apocalypse predicted that Armagedone will triggered from Syria after that the Chinese will dictate their orders to the rest of the stupid baboons.who are going to destroy each other.

Posted by: Sotirio | Nov 19 2015 5:12 utc | 109

@juliana #104:
Ah, I didn’t know about The Admiral. That’s the next Russian movie I’ll watch. Never saw a movie about White Russians.
@Yeah, Right:
Lavrov must be a dog person. I would never compare the Empire to a cat. A hyena or a scorpion, maybe. But then, as Lavrov said, they’re polite.

Posted by: Demian | Nov 19 2015 5:24 utc | 110

Foreign Minister Lavrov went a step further. He directly accused the U.S. of not being serious about fighting the Islamic State
After the Paris attacks, there has been an outcry in the USA against taking ANY Syrian refugees. They are deemed by some (Republican Governors, candidates, and FoxNews) as a security risk. I imagine there is similar sentiment in Europe.
I keep thinking about what b said when this refugee crisis began: that it generates a “Something must be done! [about Syria]” response. It all started when Turkey sent them on their way. But, as with the rise of ISIS, MSM focuses intently on effects not causes.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 19 2015 6:25 utc | 111

@109: “Lavrov must be a dog person. I would never compare the Empire to a cat. A hyena or a scorpion, maybe.”
I think you miss the point of his analogy.
He is using it to illustrate what the USA’s bombing effort looks like i.e. while the USA says it is bombing ISIS – sure, that’s what they say – the USAF’s efforts look half-hearted because, heck, it looks for all the world as if they can’t be bothered to get their feet wet.
Versus Russia, who doesn’t give a rat’s arse if it is making waves…..

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 19 2015 6:41 utc | 112

jfl @#50- Glad you posted the Pilger link (“From Pol Pot to ISIS… “) Good read. Here’s the link again:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/17/from-pol-pot-to-isis-the-blood-never-dried/
Another piece, not for info’s sake, as despite being either unbearingly ignorant or willfully deceptive in omitting the US/NATO and their regional allies’ role of intentionally stoking sectarian violence by fostering the rise of and continued short for Salafi/Wahabbi speed fueled liver eating bashit crazy scum of the earth jihadi mercenaries to take down Assad; with that plan’s origins going back many many years- beyond THAT, I agree wholeheartedly with the overall sentiment and the take on certain US politicians, as well as what passes for conventional political “wisdom” in the good ol’ US of A-holes. Love the closing paragraphs:
“Every conclusion I’ve heard on the part of those with power points to more indiscriminate killing in lands far removed from the US and a greater curtailment of human rights within the US. So my conclusion is this: A plague on all the warmonger’s houses. I have no qualms about shooting terrorists down like dogs to save people’s lives; so this argument is not about being squeamish. What I’m sick of is the mutual escalation cycle.
All I want is an empowered track of well-funded peacemongers with institutional teeth. I’m sick and tired of a marginalized peace movement that’s disrespected and ridiculed for advocating smart things like not invading and occupying Iraq in 2003. There’s got to be a better way than escalating the current intractable mess into a world war to learn the lesson Mahmood Mandani says we Americans are doomed to learn: How to live in the world without ruling it.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/19/learning-how-not-to-rule-the-world/

Posted by: Colinjames | Nov 19 2015 19:39 utc | 113

Hello,
I ran across this a few days ago and would love to get everyone’s thoughts on it.
This is one of many leaks with John McCain involved. Will need to translate. Use the search box to pull up all the JM leaks. In one, he was wanting to bring down an American passenger plane. I am not sure how credible these are but I am interested to see what if anything you guys can find out.
http://wikileaks.center/index.php/entry/saakashvili-iz-ukrainy-v-siriyu-napravlyaet-novyj-potok-boevikov
You may find the below information of interest.
Top Russian Writer Nikolai Starikov Explains Who Is Behind Europe’s Refugee Crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTDlY4o23XA
Request for McCain Investigation for Narcotics Trafficking and War Crimes
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/23/378169/

Posted by: cyndy | Nov 21 2015 15:21 utc | 114

to take seriously Lavrov’s statements is to make a fool of oneself.

Posted by: fuater | Nov 23 2015 15:03 utc | 115