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November 30, 2015

Guess Why The U.S. Is Not (Seriously) Bombing ISIS's Oil Business

The U.S. did not start bombing the Islamic State's oil infrastructure and oil distribution system until the Russian president Putin shamed U.S. President Obama at the G20. Putin showed around satellite pictures of huge oil truck assemblies waiting in the desert to be filled. These were through 13 month of bombing left completely unmolested by U.S. air strikes. The U.S. then bombed a bit and claimed to have destroyed 116 waiting oil trucks while the Russians claimed to have destroyed over 1,000.

So far I have found four reason given to explain why the U.S. did not bomb, and does not seriously bomb,  the oil truck convoys.

Civilian casualties:

The Obama administration has also balked at attacking the Islamic State’s fleet of tanker trucks — its main distribution network — fearing civilian casualties.

Environmental damage:

A former CIA director says concerns about environmental impact have prevented the White House from bombing oil wells that finance the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

“We didn’t go after oil wells, actually hitting oil wells that ISIS controls, because we didn’t want to do environmental damage, and we didn’t want to destroy that infrastructure,” Michael Morell said Tuesday on PBS’s “Charlie Rose.”

Long-term economic damage to Iraq and Syria

In the aftermath of the attacks in Paris this month, the United States has more aggressively targeted the militants’ oil production and smuggling operations, which it had held off from doing for fear of inflicting long-term damage to the Iraqi and Syrian economies.

Regime change in Syria has precedence

Just think of it: IS has killed American nationals and yet the Pentagon has been ordered to handle the IS with kid gloves! President Barack Obama waxes eloquently about his determination to “degrade and destroy” the IS, but the Pentagon is under instructions not to disrupt the IS’ oil trade! This is cold-blooded statecraft. Obama probably knows all about the Turkish elite’s flourishing business, but then, he has uses for Erdogan, too. Simply put, the regime change agenda in Syria got precedence over cutting off the IS’s funding sources.

Three of the above four reasons were given by the Obama administration or its proxies,  one by an astute observer,  Guess which of those reasons is the real one.

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Ashton again...."The force would also be able to conduct "unilateral operations" in Syria."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34977977

Posted by: dh | Dec 1 2015 16:31 utc | 101

Ashton Carter on cspan stepping all over his words. Was questioned on policy, and false information from Centcom.

Now he saying they are training rebels in southern Syria and admits only Kurds have recaptured land. And Ash is backing Syrian Arab Coalition, who are they again?? Scary that this man is in charge.

Posted by: shadyl | Dec 1 2015 16:33 utc | 102

http://www.c-span.org/

Now on live. Ashton Carter.

Posted by: shadyl | Dec 1 2015 16:35 utc | 103

Demian:

I am trying to understand why 2 aircraft carriers and the planes of multiple nations are needed in the area.

I think that the Assad must go! crowd wants to keep up the pressure on Putin/Russia until an acceptable political solution is agreed. De-facto NFZ would help to do this.

Does the US-led anti-ISIS/anti-Assad Coalition really need so many aircraft in the area? (2 aircraft carriers; push for UK to join, etc.)

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 1 2015 16:43 utc | 104

@96

Problem is not who flies where, it can change quickly and doesnt impose territory control. What worries me is NATO troops on the ground, i.e. Germany is sending 1200, US for the first time (officially) sending also, UK and France may not be far behind.

NATO soldiers imbedded with terrorists on the ground de-facto precludes Russia and SAA bombing them, thus creating "safe heavens" and potential partitioning of the country.

Initially soldiers are being send to Kurds, which may not look that bad. But consider Kurds are part of new SDF alliance, which is stacked with Al Qaeda and various jihadi groups. A lot of territory taken by SDF and containing NATO soldiers in their ranks would be exactly what US and co wanted all along.

Speaking of Syrian Kurds, they are not homogenous mass and unlike Iraq's Kurds, not entirely in USrael pocket. However, promises of their own country is hard to resist, and US has a lot more to offer to them than Syria/Russia. Thats why its not surprising Kurds aligned with Al Qaeda in SDF and are grabbing as much territory and oil fields as they can. Iraq's Kurds already doing that from the very beginning of their assault against Iraq, coordinated with ISIS.

Posted by: Harry | Dec 1 2015 16:44 utc | 105

@78 penelope.. thanks.. i dunno.. i think turkey has knowingly participated in this and it is very hard for them to distance themselves for this.. the only thing they have going for them is as @85 harry and @86 harry law quotes -"The strong do as they can, and the weak suffer as they must". if turkey remains on team usa/nato - turkey remains in the clear.. possible wild card would be more info from russia to go with the aerial footage.. thanks harry law and harry..

@89 dumbass.. i go along with you on all that..

it is difficult as it always is, to view the wests role in all of this in any sort of favourable way..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2015 16:57 utc | 106

Flores at Fort russ makes a good case that what we see in Syria is much larger than a struggle about land, pipelines, muslim confessional split between shiite and sunnis. He says there is a much larger issue pitting Atlanticists and Eurasianists or Continentalists. How about a struggle between UNSC-R2P-Regime change-no individual sovereignity versus UN General Asssembly votes? It could also be said that it is Unipolar (NATO) versus Multipolar (BRICS) or IMF-Rothschild finance versus Private finance with independent national central banks. All wars are bankers wars, right?

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Dec 1 2015 16:58 utc | 107

@102 harry... i agree with you.. if the goal all along has been to get rid of assad and partition syria, i think this is the next move usa/nato needs to make.. it has never been about anything civil, but it will get sold as such..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2015 17:00 utc | 108

@104 sun tzu.. except - nato has to pay homage to the usa, so most nato countries in so far as they support the usa - can get a ride on the unipolar coattails.. as we see with ukraine and the refugee crisis - the usa isn't a friend of nato europe.. i am surprised the price they are willing to pay to ride with the exceptional nation version of reality..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2015 17:03 utc | 109

@Sun Tzu #104:

It could also be said that it is Unipolar (NATO) versus Multipolar (BRICS) or IMF-Rothschild finance versus Private finance with independent national central banks. All wars are bankers wars, right?

The first thing I thought when the Kiev coup took place is that it was about unipolar vs. monopolar. Vintage Red's introducing me to Mackinder only pushed me further in that direction. But yes, to whose benefit is a monopolar world? Obviously, not to the benefit of the vast majority of those living in the core countries.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 1 2015 17:11 utc | 110

Flores at Fort russ makes a good case that what we see in Syria is much larger than a struggle about land, pipelines, muslim confessional split between shiite and sunnis. He says there is a much larger issue pitting Atlanticists and Eurasianists or Continentalists. How about a struggle between UNSC-R2P-Regime change-hegemony versus UN General Asssembly self determination by majority votes? It could also be said that it is Unipolar (NATO) versus Multipolar (BRICS) or IMF-Rothschild dominated finance versus Private finance with independent national central banks. All wars are bankers wars, right?

Russia is increasing its air force detachment to Syria to more than a hundred planes. Russia is habilitating another airport which would be defended by S-400 extending its air defense coverage to all of Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Israel and Jordan. With all these US led planes and carriers crowding air space in Syria and Iraq, what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Dec 1 2015 17:11 utc | 111

@Sun Tzu #108:

With all these US led planes and carriers crowding air space in Syria and Iraq, what could possibly go wrong?

Syria is Russia's Stalingrad

Posted by: Demian | Dec 1 2015 17:18 utc | 112

More loss for Russians, 2 helicopters shot down by turkmen

https://twitter.com/AEJKhalil/status/671688389452816384

Russian tactics seems incompetent..

Posted by: Seder | Dec 1 2015 17:19 utc | 113

http://aftokathorismos.blogspot.gr/2015/12/blog-post_1.html
Αυτοκαθορισμός: Η Ρωσσία και τα υπόλοιπα ΖΟΜΠΙ...

Posted by: Ιωάννης Τζανάκος | Dec 1 2015 17:24 utc | 114

@ 106 James NATO countries pay lip service with sanctions and committing their minimalist military forces as they risk the ire and regime changer from the hegemon. Their political class is totally compromised by Echelon type programmes and their Security Services are all compromised as well. They have little choice.

@ 107 Demian That is pretty clever. But resources is not the only thing valuable. You need to enforce your rights and that is only possible with a capable deterrent force, a well educated trained work force and cheap labour to increase the value added. Otherwise, resource rich Africa, MENA, Latin America could have escaped their siege by depredatory neo colonial powers. Resource poor Japan demonstrates the need for well educated, trained and discipline work force and china and india demonstrate the convenience and importance of a cheap work force.

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Dec 1 2015 17:25 utc | 115

Another day in our brave new world.

Penelope, Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) is code for truly sovereign finance. I am hoping the world can get there from here. Here being the world led by private finance.

That said and related to the posting, I have thought of a scenario where, for a while anyway, we have two global financial "systems". One would have the China/BRICS back system and the current private finance of the Wester world would be the other. There would be all sorts of trade craziness between the two blocks but it is a step forward w/o nuclear war. And my scenario has the private finance world collapsing from the inherent un-sustainability quickly from there.

Sides are being taken and I don't see any other focus that could be used by the groups as a rallying point "social organizational theology" based around private or sovereign finance. Maybe I am about to agree with Julian and challenge China to stand up and ask publicly why the US Congress won't pass the IMF reforms from 2010.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2015 17:32 utc | 116

Germans say they are heading for a 10 years war in the Middle East, and don't want Asad
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34973286
COP21 has nothing to do with environement and everything to do with military planning

Posted by: Mina | Dec 1 2015 17:58 utc | 117

@ 114 Mina

"Assad" is not mentioned in your link

Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 1 2015 18:05 utc | 118

@114 mina.. watch the followers, follow the leader - usa, using the same approach - military - when they could be addressing the source of the funding - saudi arabia and the gcc's and hanger on's.... so predictable... you are going to get the terrorists with a naval boat that has missiles... no, you are going to cut off the whacked out religious ideology by stopping wahabbi being preached in mosques in your own country where the terrorists now live.. but alas - the armchair generals who control nato still do what they do best - use military gear.. it is bringing the wrong tool to the job.. ordinary folks can see this as plain as day..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2015 18:05 utc | 119

@Seder@110

Russian tactics seems incompetent..

And Seder is trolling very hard to let us know...didn't even bother to qualify it with the loud and clear "(Unconfirmed)"

Moment Rebels informing that 2 #Russia helicopters crashed on #Turkmen_Mount (Unconfirmed)

Infamous SOHR has nothing, and they would be reveling by now on the news. Al-Manar TV has nothing, Sputnik News has nothing, RT News has nothing. Fars News has nothing, neo-zionist rag Times of Israel has nothing. For now, there is nothing, only Seder and his sources have two Russian copters crashed on Turkmen Mount.


Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 1 2015 18:18 utc | 120

@79 Penelope, my (somewhat rethorical) question was about YPG's temptation to fall for the US sponsored SDF trap or will to cooperate with the 4+1. Russia has been adamant about Syria's territorial integrity which goes against a free Kurdistan. Will Syrian Kurds put the national question on the back burner in order to fight Daesh/Nusra and help Assad or take the US bait: Replace ISIS and become the new oil pimps a la Barzani?

Yes, am familiar with Meissant, I read his articles in french, my mother tongue.

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 1 2015 18:19 utc | 121

Turns out Russian shipping through the Bosphorus is not being blocked, according to Sputnik. Smooth Sailing: No Troubles Reported for Russian Ships in the Bosphorus.

Posted by: lysias | Dec 1 2015 18:37 utc | 122

The following article poses an interesting question and does a good job of answering it in my opinion:

What Fate Awaits Iraq Once ISIL Got Beaten in Syria?

Briefly, it looks like Syria is going to be able to maintain its present borders, whereas Iraq, not so much. The article also addresses the issue of Russia's relations with Iran, which are very topical now but I don't know much about:

An independent and strong Kurdistan – is a natural ally of Russia, which will be countering the aggressive policy of Ankara and to a certain degree restrain the excessive ambition of Tehran, which is eager to assume the role of a regional leader, while not taking into account Russia’s interests.
My overall impression is that Russian observers are fairly confident that the Empire will lose in Syria.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 1 2015 18:39 utc | 123

It's not because you can't find it in the link that it's wrong. A quick search and you'd have found it
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/01/us-mideast-crisis-germany-idUSKBN0TK3ON20151201
Not that there is any surprise here. Everyone knows that the German politicians are totally controled by the US establishment, like the French.

Posted by: Mina | Dec 1 2015 18:40 utc | 124

@lysias@119

Turns out Russian shipping through the Bosphorus is not being blocked, according to Sputnik.

Thanks for tracking that and bringing in the good news.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 1 2015 18:45 utc | 125

The armies of the world are being sucked in a giant sink hole for one last battle at Tel Meggido. But they will meet their end. The more of them the merrier.

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Dec 1 2015 18:46 utc | 126

@Mina #121:

Everyone knows that the German politicians are totally controled by the US establishment

Germany demonstrated its role as a dastardly puppet of the Empire by being the first country to recognize Croatia, an act for which Germany will forever live in infamy.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 1 2015 18:51 utc | 127

Turns out the leader of the Turkmen rebels who killed that parachuting Russian pilot is an ethnic Turk from within the Republic of Turkey, Alparslan Çelik, who is a member of the fascist and GLADIO-associated right-wing group the Gray Wolves (Bozkurtlar), founded by the late Col. Alparslan Türkeş. Col. Türkeş's eldest son, Tuğrul Türkeş, is now a vice prime minister in the new Turkish government, even though he has never been a member of the governing AKP party. He has long belonged to the far-right MHP party, so his appointment presumably signals a shift to the far right by AKP.

Posted by: lysias | Dec 1 2015 18:52 utc | 128

@ 121 Mina

OK, you're right.

Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen sought to reassure voters, saying that Germany had not been drawn into war against its will but had taken a conscious decision to get involved.

She also made clear that there would be no cooperation between German forces and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

"The top line is: there will be no cooperation with Assad and no cooperation with troops under his command," she said, though she did not rule out including supporters of Assad in a long-term solution for Syria.

"We must avoid the collapse of the state of Syria," she said, noting that mistakes made in Iraq, when groups who had been loyal to dictator Saddam Hussein were shut out of the political system after his defeat, prompting the widespread disintegration of state order, should not be repeated.

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Posted by: From The Hague | Dec 1 2015 18:54 utc | 129

@PavewayIV

In case you make a stop on MoA, maybe you can shed some light on these developments. Thanks in advance.


Ahrar Syria Brigade declare al-Sheikh Maksoud neighborhood in Aleppo “military area”

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights received a copy of the statement issued by Ahrar Syria Brigade declaring ​​Sheikh Maksoud neighborhood a “military area”, the neighborhood is controlled by YPG in Aleppo, they also called the civilians to “leave”, and in the statement said:

“After the treachery by the terrorist PKK party and the so-called al-Thowwar Army who is in the area of ​​Afrin and coordinating with the Russian occupation to carry out several airstrikes on the area of the rebels providing air cover for the fighters of the party when they infiltrated al-Faisal mill and the villages of Kasht’aar and al-Malkiyyeh in order to cut the road of Aleppo-Azaz, so we, the General Command of Ahrar Syria Brigade declare that the area of ​​Sheikh Maksoud will be a military area after a maximum period of 24 hours from the date of issuing this statement, and the civilian in the area of ​​Sheikh Maksoud should leave immediately because we will target all fighters’ sites in the neighborhood by all types of heavy weapons.”

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 1 2015 19:04 utc | 130

@PavewayIV

In case you make a stop on MoA, maybe you can shed some light on these developments. Thanks in advance.


Ahrar Syria Brigade declare al-Sheikh Maksoud neighborhood in Aleppo “military area”

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights received a copy of the statement issued by Ahrar Syria Brigade declaring ​​Sheikh Maksoud neighborhood a “military area”, the neighborhood is controlled by YPG in Aleppo, they also called the civilians to “leave”, and in the statement said:

“After the treachery by the terrorist PKK party and the so-called al-Thowwar Army who is in the area of ​​Afrin and coordinating with the Russian occupation to carry out several airstrikes on the area of the rebels providing air cover for the fighters of the party when they infiltrated al-Faisal mill and the villages of Kasht’aar and al-Malkiyyeh in order to cut the road of Aleppo-Azaz, so we, the General Command of Ahrar Syria Brigade declare that the area of ​​Sheikh Maksoud will be a military area after a maximum period of 24 hours from the date of issuing this statement, and the civilian in the area of ​​Sheikh Maksoud should leave immediately because we will target all fighters’ sites in the neighborhood by all types of heavy weapons.”

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 1 2015 19:13 utc | 131

Similar oil business with ISIL in Iraq Mawaffak al-Rubaie complained to the Americans “I have personally contacted US representatives asking them to target ISIL trucks transporting Iraqi and Syrian oil to Turkey only to be told that those were civilian targets so they could not attack them,” said Rubaie, a leader of the State of Law Coalition party in the Iraqi parliament and former national security adviser.Don't the Iraqis have aircraft or are they totally under the thumb of Uncle Sam? http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/30/439791/us-turkey-oil-sales-isis-takfiri-iraq-syria-daesh

Posted by: harry law | Dec 1 2015 19:45 utc | 132

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Dunford has really stuck it to Obama. Joint Chiefs chairman: 'We have not contained' ISIS :

The United States has "not contained" the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the nation's top military officer said Tuesday, contradicting President Obama's remarks last month about the terror group.

"We have not contained" ISIS, Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told lawmakers at a House Armed Services Committee hearing.

The comment runs counter to what the president said days before ISIS launched a string of attacks across Paris.

"I don't think they're gaining strength. What is true is that from the start, our goal has been first to contain, and we have contained them," Obama told ABC News.

Posted by: lysias | Dec 1 2015 20:02 utc | 133


Posted by: Demian | Dec 1, 2015 11:23:20 AM | 98

....Russia has made it pretty clear that it will not allow Syria to be split up.

I humbly disagree. Do you really believe anything spouts from our Government? Lies, lies and more lie. Both Democrats and Republicans are no different including Bernie Sanders.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 1 2015 20:30 utc | 134

@lysias #129:

"We have not contained" ISIS, Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told lawmakers

It looks like US foreign policy has become too postmodern even for the US military. You simply can't run an empire like this.


I think that what is going on now is very plain and simple to most people at MoA, including myself: the US is determined to preserve its position of hegemon, by any means of subterfuge necessary. But using psy ops so intensively against their own people is evidently too much for some military types to swallow. Inflating enemy casualty figures as was done in the Vietnam War was one thing; backing exactly the same terrorists who attacked us not even two decades ago is another.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 1 2015 20:32 utc | 135

It's very peculiar ... like the Iraqi Kurd's insisting there have been American "boots on the ground" for a long time ... It seems that Team Obama is counting on the American public not caring that they've been lied to and that finding out -- after the fact -- will back-up Obama's claim that we've been "fighting ISIS all along" when (a) mostly we've been providing air support to the Iraqi army (such as it is) and (b) bombing the shit out of largely depopulated cities (locals and ISIS having largely fled), leaving rubble.

Oh, and we're still complaining that Russia isn't bombing ISIS "enough" in favor of -- as they said they intended to do all along -- bombing anti-Assad forces ...

I keep finding people who think that somehow ISIS is going to be at the negotiating table in Vienna -- people who do not understand that our "moderate rebels" have repeatedly refused to negotiate ... they think that Vienna is supposed to result in a peace settlement with ISIS ... The American public is "confused" (blinders will do that) ... and that ISIS is Assad's fault (somehow).

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Dec 1 2015 20:34 utc | 136

Sorry, retract posting misread I thought you said US.
But my feeling regarding Democrats, Republican and Bernie Sanders still stand!!

Posted by: Jack Smith | Dec 1 2015 20:36 utc | 137

@Jack Smith #130:

Do you really believe anything spouts from our Government?

No I don't, but that's because our government has gotten worse in this regard, during my lifetime. Even though I was a life-long Democrat until Obama, I could even occasionally believe something Reagan or Bush the Elder said.

I make no secret of being "bicultural", so I do look at what Russian officials say from a Russian point of view. Russians and Anglos have different ways of being deceitful, and I think there are times when one can tell when a Russian is being serious. (Putin at the UN last September was one of those times.)

But you don't even have to be Russian to know that the Russians are being serious here. The military types over at SST seem to think so, too:

Russia. Paraphrasing - "They will 'come around' to our view about Syria and accept that what we want must be." Once again, pilgrims, I see nothing in anything the Russians are doing that indicates they are going to "come around."
And that's a good point: if you don't believe what the Russians are saying, just look at what they are doing.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 1 2015 20:46 utc | 138

Jeremy Scahill is tweet/recommending PRI: With US help, Saudi Arabia is obliterating Yemen

Oh, and we're "officially" sending in 150-200 boots on the ground into Iraq ... and maybe/certainly Syria to do something or other ...

NBC: Defense Secretary Carter: Special Ops Force to Iraq to Fight ISIS

While Carter did not divulge much about the special ops forces that will be battling ISIS, DOD officials have told NBC News that the expeditionary targeting force would be permanently based in Iraq. According to the officials, the force would be comprised of 100 to 150 special operations forces that would conduct ground combat raids against ISIS targets in both Iraq and Syria.

The objective would be to gather intelligence, free hostages or prisoners and kill or capture ISIS leaders. In between combat operations the American commandos would assist and could accompany Iraqi and Kurdish forces on their military operations against ISIS targets. No timetable was given on when the special operations forces will begin to arrive in Iraq.

The U.S. will consult with the Iraqi government, but there may be times when they don't give Baghdad advance notice that an operation is underway. One official also pointed out that when talking about coordination with Iraqi forces "that also includes the Kurds."

Seems clear that the poll results were unfavorable.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Dec 1 2015 21:05 utc | 139

Reality sinks in - the BBC on Russia's S400

Nato and US spokesmen have said little about the S-400, though one senior Nato diplomat acknowledged that the deployment of this and other sophisticated systems into "one operating area over Syria where many different nations are flying" makes the situation even more "complex".

Since the S-400's deployment the number of coalition strikes in Syria appears to have gone down, with more of them carried out by drones. However it is hard to say if this reflects concern about the new threat or simply a response to the ebb and flow of the campaign.

When I asked the Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg about the potential threat from the S-400, he was short on specifics, but saw its deployment in Syria and its potential coverage of a slice of Turkish air-space as part of a wider Russian strategy.

He said that from the Baltic, through Ukraine and Crimea, to the eastern Mediterranean, Moscow was deploying what he described as sophisticated "anti-access capabilities"; these presumably intended to try to constrain Nato deployments in the event of any crisis.

The deployment of the S-400 underscores the continuing need for contacts between the US-led coalition and the Russians.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 1 2015 21:33 utc | 140

Uncle Sam strikes again...

US bombs another water treatment plant in Syria
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/12/01/439929/UN-Syria-Aleppo-airstrike-USled-coalition-Daesh

Posted by: plantman | Dec 1 2015 21:46 utc | 141

Noirette says:

Nature bats last, as the saying goes

and in a future not really that distant all this psychopathic deceit, geopolitical artifice, and analytical blathering will be so much forsaken sickness, and the glow of pixels'll be extinguished under a sea of kudzu, and everyman's every waking hour'll be consumed by demanding survival...

Once there were brook trout in the streams in the mountains. You could see them standing in the amber current where the white edges of their fins wimpled softly in the flow. They smelled of moss in your hand. Polished and muscular and torsional. On their backs were vermiculate patterns that were maps of the world in its becoming. Maps and mazes. Of a thing which could not be put back. Not be made right again. In the deep glens where they lived all things were older than man and they hummed of mystery. (from 'The Road' by Cormac McCarthy)

Posted by: john | Dec 1 2015 21:53 utc | 142

from yesterday: Washington Times: Obama anti-ISIS coalition crumbles as Arab allies focus elsewhere.

The major Arab powers once deemed essential to the fight against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq have largely pulled back from the U.S.-led military campaign, undercutting the Obama administration’s claims about the depth and reach of the coalition it has built with allies in the region.

The Obama administration consistently touts the “65-nation coalition” it has assembled to fight the group also known as ISIS, ISIL and Daesh — but critics say that fewer than a dozen nations today are contributing anything significant to the campaign.

DOD official: Saudis haven't flown one mission against ISIS in 3 months, Jordan 4 months, UAE 9 months. h/t Marc Lynch

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Dec 1 2015 21:57 utc | 143

Iraq popular forces vow to fight any US troops


Iraq's Kata’ib Hezbollah group, Badr Movement and Asaib Ahl al-Haq (The League of the Righteous) group made the announcement on Tuesday.Iraq popular forces vow to fight any US troops

  "We will chase and fight any American force deployed in Iraq. Any such American force will become a primary target for our group. We fought them before and we are ready to resume fighting," said Jafaar Hussaini, spokesman for the Kata’ib Hezbollah group.

The remarks came hours after US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said that Washington will deploy special operations forces to fight the Takfiri Daesh terrorists in Iraq, with the ability to conduct raids over the border in neighboring Syria.


I guess the empire 'forgot' to consult with its vassal?

But the UN has - marvelous to relate - 'remembered' to condemn war crimes ...

UN slams airstrike on water plant in Syria's Aleppo


The Syrian state news agency SANA reported that the US-led coalition conducting airstrikes against purported positions of the Daesh Takfiri terrorists in Syria had bombed the water plant.

"In Syria, the rules of war, including those meant to protect vital civilian infrastructure, continue to be broken on a daily basis," said Hanaa Singer, the UNICEF representative in Syria, in a statement on Tuesday.

  "The airstrike which reportedly hit al-Khafseh water treatment plant in the northern city of Aleppo last Thursday (November 26) is a particularly alarming example."


... well, Hannah Sanger, has. S/he'll probably be on the pavement for spreading 'terrorist propaganda' in the morning ... respect to Hannah ... don't know what to say about California Republican Rohrabacher

US Congressman: 'Either Erdogan shouldn’t be in NATO or we shouldn’t'


Yes, Russia does this to protect Syria’s authoritarian Assad regime, which has close ties to Moscow. So what?

Assad, like Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, is no threat to the United States or the Western world. If Assad is forced out of power he will eventually be replaced by an Islamic terrorist committed to raining down mayhem on Western countries.

Today we witness the spectacle of American decision- makers, in and out of the Obama administration, joining forces with a Turkish regime that grows more supportive of the radical Islamist movement. There is ample evidence of President Erdogan’s complicity in ISIS’s murderous rampage through Syria and Iraq.

Yet, we hold our public rebukes for the Russians, who are battling those terrorists.


... but he surely said that right.

@129 lysias

I think the bluster from the Pentagon is in reality a turf fight with the CIA. The 'new' form of warfare - hiring one-half of the furious Muslim youth to kill the other half coupled with drone warfare worldwide - has been the CIA's turf, BOb's and Daddy John Brennan's, and the Pentagon wants to control all that money. Cynic that I am, I see that as the real reason for US Army Major Tulsi Gabbard's bill - to defund the CIA's efforts and enlarge Pentagon turf at CIA's expense. Like Wall Street only all of it is enough for the Pentagon.

If anyone in US/NATO were interested in taking out Da'esh they'd 1) stop funding, aiding, abetting Da'esh and 2) be asking the Russians what they could do to help, not sending in their own Wehrmacht to overthrow Assad.

@90 Noirette

I think all of your points are right on, including number 0, which was ... Vollin's @14 ... on the Syrian sanctions. Global warming - morphed into Climate Change - definitely provides the background tension to be exploited by the empire as it goes forward, and both the US and Turley have done in Iraq. The whole fossil fuel industry is "crass Mafia type commerce, for personal / tribal / local control: sale and use". Dr. Assad was a dilettante when this whole thing began, trying to make nice to Neolibraconia, then swatting the flies who surrounded him due to the Neolibraconian augmented environmental stresses that he didn't see from Damascus. There's one man who has certainly had a lesson in the 'requisite' duplicity of geopolitical government.

But the match that lit the tinder box was struck by USA/CIA/KSA&the Gulfies/Turkey. And they keep piling on the fuel that's burning Syria up. They've exploited all the existing misfortune they could in their drive for death, devastation, and destruction in Syriaq. And they're still at it. This seems to be existential for Neolibraconia, in their view.

And I hope they're right ... and that they lose and go out of existence. Leave us humans to pick up the pieces and give peace a chance.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 1 2015 22:12 utc | 144

For those, ahem, 'climate skeptics' there is zero chance, yet, of any major actions, the coal/oil/gas lobbies and their financial backers are far too strong. Things like the TPP will probably entrench fossil fuel burning even more.

So everyone can all relax as ever more precious, irreplaceable fuels like coal and gas are totally wasted generating electricity, with the associated environmental damage extracting it and burning it (over and above CO2). Some pretend there is enough for, what, the next 5 million years or whatever is claimed these days.

If it wasn't all running out, and new stuff harder and harder to find and extract, why are there so many wars over it? If, say, coal was so infinite and cheap as claimed, why isn't (say) the US just turning it into gas (even oil) instead of having to import so much? Why hasn't Europe given natural gas imports from Russia the flick and generated all their gas needs from coal (or changed to electricity generated from coal)? In Australia some pro coal politicians now even argue that coal should be used for 'moral' reasons.

I do find it a strange psychological fact that so many,ahem, 'climate skeptics' are so pro burning fossil fuels for electricity generation. Despite the fact than from first principles you can be as 'skeptical' as you want but still be against using it for that.. like saving it for future generations, horrible (non CO2) pollution, deaths & massive environmental damage from extracting and shipping it, waste disposal and so on. But strangely none are.

Long before CO2 impacts became an issue many, many people were against using coal for electricity because of its filth and thought that wasting a prime fuel like gas for it absolute insanity (which it is).

So in reality we don't actually have pro/anti climate change people, we have pro/anti fossil fuel burning for electricity ones.

Posted by: Lisa | Dec 1 2015 22:15 utc | 145

@138 johm

amen ... give peace and life a chance.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 1 2015 22:17 utc | 146

>>>SecDef Carter earlier today (12/1): "U.S. deploying specialized expeditionary force to back Iraq." Read "to block Iraqi defeat of Daesh."<<<

From earlier last month:

Last month's raid on an Islamic State prison in Hawija, Iraq, conducted by a U.S. Delta Force Team and Kurdish special forces resulted not only in the death of the first American in the country since 2011 and the beheading of four Kurds by the jihadists. According to a Kurdish intelligence chief, it also ended up freeing scores of the former tormentors of his people: Iraqis still loyal to the Baathist ideology of Saddam Hussein. And it has exacerbated new political divisions among the Kurds, who have been the U.S.'s best allies in the fight against the Islamic State.

Initially the raid was said to have freed 69 Kurdish prisoners. But within 24 hours the Kurdistan Regional Government officially said no Kurds were freed. At the Washington Institute for Near East Policy on Tuesday, Lahur Talabani, the head of the Kurdish Zanyari intelligence service, said the raid instead ended up freeing Arab members of the Naqshbandi Army, a Baathist group formed of former high-ranking intelligence and military officers loyal to Saddam Hussein.

While the U.S. allied with some former Baathists during the counter-insurgency in 2007 and 2008 known as the surge, the strategy of teaming up with former members of the regime never sat well with many Kurds. What's more, the Islamic State has counted on collaboration from many Baathists as well, who are largely fellow Sunni Muslims. While the freed Baathist prisoners could provide intelligence for the U.S.-led coalition, the high-risk operation may well have ended up freeing prisoners whose compatriots have backed the Islamic State.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-03/kurdish-intelligence-chief-says-deadly-raid-freed-baathists

This ties in with what I think preceded the planned Islamic State uprising in 2013. The US special forces helped plan and execute the breakout of thousands of insurgents from the Iraqi mega prisons, which is also referred to as the "Breaking the Walls" campaign to restart the insurgency. They probably also helped harbor former Army and intelligence officers from the Saddam Hussein regime in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait. These officers said to be among the leaders of the insurgency.

Posted by: Les | Dec 1 2015 22:22 utc | 147

@141 lisa

Planetwide realignmen


Ladies and Gentlemen. The issues that affect the futures of all people include the challenge of global climate change. It is in our interest to make the UN Climate Change Conference to be held in December in Paris a success. As part of our national contribution, we plan to reduce by 2030 the greenhouse emmissions to 70-75% of the 1990 level. I suggest, however, we should take a wider view on this issue.

Yes, we might defuse the problem for awhile by setting quotas on harmful emissons or by taking other measures, which are nothing but tactical, but we will not solve it that way. We need a completely new approach.

We have to focus on introducing fundamental and new technologies inspired by nature which will not damage the environment but will be in harmony with it. Also they will allow us to restore the balance between the biosphere and technosphere upset by human activities. It is indeed a challenge of planetary scope, but I am confident that humankind has [the] intellectual potential to address it. We need to join our efforts.

I refer first of all to the states that have a solid research basis, and that have made significant advances in fundamental science. We propose convening a special forum under the UN auspices for a comprehensive consideration of the issues related to the depletion of natural resources, the destruction of habitat, and climate change. Russia would be ready to co-sponsor such a forum.


I wonder is he's making any headway at copout21, or whatever it's called, with the warstruck, fossil fuel cravin' junkies in gay Paree.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 1 2015 22:25 utc | 148

... sorry, missed the link : Planetary realignment

Posted by: jfl | Dec 1 2015 22:27 utc | 149

@143 les

Thank you les for both your link and subsequent observation. I read just those three points at the time of the rescue - well the great break quite sometime ago - but until your post haven't seen much discussion of it. The birth of Da'esh at the hands of the USA and its steadfast replenishment, even now. Obama's plan certainly is 'working', if now bearing ever diminishing returns.

Very good of you to bring them up now.

The presence of the Kurd at the AIPAC (WINEP) presser speaks volumes about Iraqi Kurd 'leadership'. The Iraqi Kurds need to clean their own house, badly.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 1 2015 22:43 utc | 150

http://aftokathorismos.blogspot.gr/2015/12/isis-turkey-kurdish-info-gang-member.html
ISIS-TURKEY: Kurdish Info Gang member captured alive: Our attacks were organised by Turkey

Kurdish Info
Gang member captured alive: Our attacks were organised by Turkey

Posted by: Ιωάννης Τζανάκος | Dec 1 2015 23:11 utc | 151

@140 jfl, I hardly see how the US can repeat that now that S400's are deployed. Finally..

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 1 2015 23:20 utc | 152

Netanyahu and Putin agree to expand and deepen military coordination

http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/94103-151130-netanyahu-and-putin-agree-to-expand-and-deepen-military-coordination

By i24news
Published: 11/30/2015 - 09:10pm, updated: 09:14pm

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Russian President Vladmir Putin, November 30 2015

Putin also extended his good wishes ahead of the "very bright" Jewish holiday of Hanukkah

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the Paris climate summit on Monday.

The two leaders, who last met in Moscow in September have reportedly agreed to deepen military coordination in order to avoid unwanted clashes in Syria, an Israeli official told i24news diplomatic correspondent Tal Shalev.

During the meeting, Netanyahu told Putin that the "events of recent days prove the importance of our coordination, our de-confliction mechanisms, our attempts to cooperate with each other to prevent unnecessary accidents and tragedies, and I believe that we’ve been successful. It’s important.

“Secondly, I think we are engaged in a big battle against militant Islam, the terrorism it spews forward, the savagery, the barbarism. And this is another point of contact in addition to many others that we’re engaged in. I hope that Israel and Russia can see eye to eye on all the strategic matters, but I want to assure you that we believe that it’s within our powers to have very good coordination on the ground and in the air so that we do not create the kind of problems that we’ve been experiencing.

“I’m very satisfied, by the fact that our militaries have been very careful to coordinate with one another and will continue to do so," Netanyahu continued on to say, "I think this is an indication of the openness and the success of the relationship between Israel and Russia, our relationship."

Posted by: Louis Proyect | Dec 1 2015 23:35 utc | 153

@147 - whatever your name is.. thanks... better not let the western msm get hold of that.. it will be buried beneath everything else and never see the light of day! in other words.. no fear of the west ever revealing anything of that nature.. it blows the whole 'we are going after ISIS' mantra to smithereens..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2015 23:36 utc | 154

@141 lisa.. i agree.. after reading naomi kleins book 'this changes everything', i have little faith in the possibility of addressing climate change.. it is like saying you are going to make the environment a priority over the economy.. and, ironically this could work economically but it will overthrow certain industries which will not want to be replaced.. think exxon...total assets according to wikipedia - 349.493 billion .. try replacing them.. think they are going to want to support climate change proposals? think the politicians are going to go green or go exxon? money is calling the shots and they are voting for a tomorrow..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2015 23:45 utc | 155

"not" voting for a tomorrow.. there will be no tomorrow if these fuckers continue on..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2015 23:46 utc | 156

‘Pockets of ceasefires’ may soon turn up in Syria – Obama.. does this buffoon ever listen to himself? try laying off the giving of weapons to these '''moderate''' nutjobs.. that might do the trick too.. never thought of that i guess.. we have 'moderate' nutjobs for politicians hoping everyone is an idiot..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2015 23:54 utc | 157

in re 147, 150 --

Poster is John (Iannos?) Tzanakos, website is "Self-determination," amongst slogans on the header is "For the dictatorship of the proletariat" (Google machine language). Fraternal greetings comrade and thanks.

The underlying source, Firat News, is the agency for the PKK. So it's already been conveniently pre-packaged to be ignored by the bourgeois press.

Account is in English on the original page, and has several other details of interest, including that ISIS, Jabhat Al-Nusra and other jihadis are operating under the "Free Syrian Army" brand. "Moderate jihadis -- don't conduct regime change without them!"

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 2 2015 0:18 utc | 158

@lysias@125

Turns out the leader of the Turkmen rebels who killed that parachuting Russian pilot is an ethnic Turk from within the Republic of Turkey, Alparslan Çelik, who is a member of the fascist and GLADIO-associated right-wing group the Gray Wolves (Bozkurtlar), founded by the late Col. Alparslan Türkeş. Col. Türkeş's eldest son, Tuğrul Türkeş, is now a vice prime minister in the new Turkish government, even though he has never been a member of the governing AKP party. He has long belonged to the far-right MHP party, so his appointment presumably signals a shift to the far right by AKP.

I wouldn't call him a "leader of the Turkmen rebels" but Erdogan's puppet top dog of a vicious, murderous gang. The posting of his picture, proudly showing off as the murderer of the Russian pilot, speaks volumes about his idiocy. As soon as his ugly face appeared on the Net, his life expectancy was reduced significantly. Now the Russians, Syrians, Iranians, Hezbollah want this MoFo dog dead, as do millions of people, myself included. In fact, I really hope he's captured alive, put in a chopper, and push down from 5000 ft (without a parachute) to a gathering of Russian/Syrian/Iranian/HA Special Forces on a marksmanship competition.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 2 2015 0:28 utc | 159

Border incursions are decidedly deadly at this time and if the Russians can sustain this situation, which I think is possible, then I don't see any change - the border is effectively closed - what transport will move when it can be bombed?

Posted by: fredjc | Dec 2 2015 0:33 utc | 160

Israel PM admits forces operating in war-hit Syria

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-pm-admits-forces-operating-war-hit-syria-194312782.html


.......who knew! And now we know why all of a sudden Bibi wants to make nice with Putin.

Posted by: shadyl | Dec 2 2015 1:30 utc | 161

@Louis Proyect@149

Netanyahu and Putin agree to expand and deepen military coordination

I wouldn't read too much into Netayahoo's boastful statement. I am sure there is a degree of coordination between Russia and Israel, but Netayahoo is making it appear as if they are into creating a military alliance.

Russia is very clear about the role of Israel in the ME as one of the main promoters of terrorism, a land-based aircraft carrier for the empire, and as you might remember, Putin recently cemented a strategic alliance with Iran, in which occasion he stated,

"We're committed not to stab our partners in the back unlike others, and we also don't do anything against our friends behind closed doors,"

and that,

Russia considered the Islamic republic to be "a reliable and dependable ally."

Putin's deference to Israel is out of basic respect and of strategic considerations. For Russia, diplomacy is another weapon, they cannot make too many active enemies and expect to win this fight. For Israel, having a "friend" in Russia means Russians will not provide Hezbollah with "game changing" weapons, even though Russia has made it clear HA, as an strategic ally of Iran and Syria, will benefit from Russia's umbrella of protection. It also means they agree there is a new sheriff in town, and will play along with the new rules as long as their vital interests are taken into account.

Frequently, some people here, mainly our in-house troll WoW, post links to "Israeli attacks" in Syria, against HA or the SAA, the sources are always "unidentified" and linked to the "Syrian opposition" or published by "Syrian media." No other media, even MSM, publish them. A recent example was today's front-page headline of zionazi rag Times of Israel, which was "Netayahoo says Israel bombs Syria from time to time" or something like that.

The reality is, they cannot bomb Syria nor Lebanon anymore, anywhere, all they can do is bluff for internal consumption/external misinformation, and the Russians let them. Plainly speaking, the zionazi entity's power to spread terror in the region has been significantly reduced and curtailed after Russia's arrival in Syria.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 2 2015 1:56 utc | 162

@Louis Proyect@149 (Part 1)

Netanyahu and Putin agree to expand and deepen military coordination

I wouldn't read too much into Netayahoo's boastful statement. I am sure there is a degree of coordination between Russia and Israel, but Netayahoo is making it appear as if they are into creating a military alliance.

Russia is very clear about the role of Israel in the ME as one of the main promoters of terrorism, a land-based aircraft carrier for the empire, and as you might remember, Putin recently cemented a strategic alliance with Iran, in which occasion he stated,

"We're committed not to stab our partners in the back unlike others, and we also don't do anything against our friends behind closed doors,"

and that,

Russia considered the Islamic republic to be "a reliable and dependable ally."

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 2 2015 2:06 utc | 163

@Luis Proyect@149 (Part 2)

(Sorry had to break the post in two, server wouldn't allow the post otherwise.)

[...] Putin's deference to Israel is out of basic respect and of strategic considerations. For Russia, diplomacy is another weapon, they cannot make too many active enemies and expect to win this fight. For Israel, having a "friend" in Russia means Russians will not provide Hezbollah with "game changing" weapons, even though Russia has made it clear HA, as an strategic ally of Iran and Syria, will benefit from Russia's umbrella of protection. It also means they agree there is a new sheriff in town, and will play along with the new rules as long as their vital interests are taken into account.

Frequently, some people here, mainly our in-house troll WoW, post links to "Israeli attacks" in Syria, against HA or the SAA, the sources are always "unidentified" and linked to the "Syrian opposition" or published by "Syrian media." No other media, even MSM, publish them. A recent example was today's front-page headline of zionist rag Times of Israel, which was "Netayahoo says Israel bombs Syria from time to time" or something like that.

The reality is, they cannot bomb Syria nor Lebanon anymore, anywhere, all they can do is bluff for internal consumption/external misinformation, and the Russians let them. Plainly speaking, the zionist entity's power to spread terror in the region has been significantly reduced and curtailed after Russia's arrival in Syria.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 2 2015 2:20 utc | 164

more al Nusra/IS porosity
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34979248
and was the guy one of "our guys" when fighting with Nusra? better to have him "in abstentia" for some leading figures of French gov

Posted by: Mina | Dec 2 2015 2:27 utc | 165

COP21 or "who exactly is the boss"
http://lci.tf1.fr/france/societe/hommage-attentats-la-france-epaulee-par-les-etats-unis-8689796.html
(Obama in the middle, between Paris' mayor Anne Hidalgo and Flanby/Hollande)
or, if we are to believe the BBC
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34974409
(Obama orders the Ottomans and the Czar to shut up, do their homework and prepare dinner)

Posted by: Mina | Dec 2 2015 2:40 utc | 167

lw - Luis Proyect - shit disturber without a brain.. most folks have him on ignore.. i skip over his crap..

@160 mina.. how are they getting these people? have they checked the local wahabbi preaching mosques or something? i and others would be curious..

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2015 2:44 utc | 168

Breaking the post in two allowed me to see which words could be blocking my post. After posting Part 1, I checked Part 2, and the only possible word was "zio-nazi," no slash in between. Wonder if b has recently added it to the filter, I had no problems posting it before. A change of policy in MoA re: zionist entity I wonder.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 2 2015 2:46 utc | 169

@162 Mina

Your BBC link to Obama playing adult was especially galling. Obama does the Big Lie adroitly. I hope he is tried for war crimes.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 2 2015 2:47 utc | 170

depending on whether you read the mouthpiece for the turkish gov't - the daily sabah, or the mouthpiece for iran - farsnews - you walk away realizing everyone could be buying oil for ISIS, but that some only want to say it is one side! i was thinking how offering a reward here for information leading to concrete facts to substantiate either could be a useful tool for 1) getting rid of erdogan, or 2) putting more egg on assads face... clearly the ongoing agenda to do one or the other is already there!

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2015 2:55 utc | 171

James
probably on FB? + the jails are full of these kids, condemned for any minor crimes. some of these might have been offered 'deals' as in the case of Merah?

Posted by: Mina | Dec 2 2015 3:05 utc | 172

@james@163

lw - Luis Proyect - shit disturber without a brain.. most folks have him on ignore.. i skip over his crap..

The sun shines equally on everyone… the rain drops equally on everyone…the dumb and the genius...

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 2 2015 3:08 utc | 173

as luck would have it
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/12/01/le-djihadiste-salim-benghalem-absent-omnipresent_4821504_3224.html
try an online translator if you can't read it ; what is relevant is
"Condamné à onze ans de réclusion, en 2007, pour une affaire de meurtre, Salim Benghalem s’est radicalisé à la maison d’arrêt de Fresnes (Val-de-Marne). Sa femme confirme aussi un court séjour d’entraînement militaire en 2011 avec Al-Qaida au Yémen, où on le soupçonne d’avoir côtoyé un certain Chérif Kouachi, l’un des auteurs des attentats de janvier."
and this is the kind of gap french journalists NEVER address: the guy has been condemned in 2007 to 11 years in jail for murder. But in 2011 he is in a training camp in Yemen. OK, the French judicial system is strained and he may have spent years in jail before the trial in 2007 so that those years have been counted as 'done', but he was certainly freed before the 11 years have elapsed. Why and when, we are not told.

Posted by: Mina | Dec 2 2015 3:11 utc | 174

Is Turkey Waging War on Russia in Crimea, the Caucasus, and Central Asia?

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151201/1031060730/turkey-war-russia-crimea-caucasus-central-asia-daesh.html

Posted by: regular guy | Dec 2 2015 3:17 utc | 175

Harry Law @ 81
Jack Smith @ 82
Really good info on what they did to Aleppo. Thank you.
---
Sun Tzu @ 93, Thanks. Global warming is a hoax by the oligarchs.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783
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Shady Lady @ 99, Syrian Arab Coalition is Kurds plus some Arab tribes who've traditionally lived in northern Syria. The Syrian Kurds have expanded well beyond their pre-war area, and may be moving South as well now. Neocons wanted them to take Raqqa as part of the partitioning of Syria.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 2 2015 3:18 utc | 176

LW@159

If you paid attention you'd know I never use links and if you kept up with the news you'd know Israel's Bibi just admitted, for the first tome, they are active in Syria free to spank, with airstrikes, Hezbollah, the SAA or anyone else whenever they feel threatened. Yesterday he met with Putin to reaffirm their close military cooperation so Putin quietly acquiesced to their right to strike into Syria or Lebanon any time they deem necessary. Bibi even mentioned a Russian jet crossed into their airspace without incident.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Dec 2 2015 3:32 utc | 177

Sun Tzu @ 104,
"IMF-Rothschild finance versus Private finance with independent national central banks."

The alternative to IMF-Rothschild finance would be Public finance with Govt-controlled Central Banks. Like in the US before the Fed. "Independent" Central bank is code for independent from the govt and therefore controlled by the international banking cartel. (Fed/IMF system).

There is no indication that anyone is fighting for an alternative to the IMF system. Many prefer to downgrade the dollar as reserve currency, but this only solves the problem of the US using this position to loot others in the interest of strengthening its military. Doesn't return monetary sovereignty/freedom from debt which the IMF system has engendered.

BRICS Development Bank, etc is all dollar-denominated:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/brics-and-the-fiction-of-de-dollarization/5441301 " The situation of the other three BRICS member states (Brazil, India, South Africa) with regard to the implementation of (real, rand rupiah) currency swaps is markedly different. These three highly indebted countries are in the straightjacket of IMF-World Bank conditionalities. They do not decide on fundamental issues of monetary policy and macro-economic reform without the green light from the Washington based international financial institutions".

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 2 2015 3:54 utc | 178

Psychohistorian @113,

I know Modern Money Theory is sovereign money. That's why I'm reading it; I want to understand it in more depth.
I said it was a "fiction", only meaning that events are moving so fast that I don't see how it has a chance. TPP, TTIP & a little pretend war to scare everybody into even more supranational control-- that's what it looks like is coming.

I don't understand how you can think they will tolerate a 2nd financial system existing alongside the IMF one. They couldn't stand the communist system, created the "iron curtain" & Cold War.

The most basic of their reasons for destroying Libya, Iraq & now Syria is that they had govt-controlled central banks.

Besides, there's not the slightest indication that either China or Russia want out of the IMF system. In order to get into WTO, Putin had to change his position on global warming & pretend to believe it. He had sent a famous Russian scientist all over the world to lecture on the errors in the global warming hypothesis. There is video of Putin calling it a hoax or fraud, but when EU said he had to change his position to get into the WTO he did it.

Maybe there's a good reason for it. Maybe he just HAD to get into the WTO. Quien sabe?

The only movement I know of for building your 2nd, non-IMF system was something I heard on Corbett Report about Malaysia & a group of small countries who wanted to do something like that. Also there were some strong resolutions taken at a Latin American conference, maybe and year or year & a half ago, but I never heard another thing about it.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 2 2015 4:20 utc | 179

We have all witnessed enough in the last 15 years to be able to easily discern the amerikan end game.
Before the invasion of Afghanistan amerika had pretty much confined their brutal worldview to Latin America.

Yes they had pulled some despicable and egregious stunts in other parts of the world notably south east asia, but the strategy of destroying all the infrastructure of a state apart from what is required to extract resources so that the people of the now 'failed' state have no voice loud enough to protect themselves from amerikan resource theft had been confined to Latin America up until then.

The Munro doctrine had prevented other large economies from sticking their noses into the horror shows of Guatemala, Ecuador and Panama. Yep Nicaragua was also fucked over but despite the rapes and murders carried out by the contra mercenaries being more widely known than what occurred in other Latin American nations, Nicaragua didn't cop it nearly as bad as the others- which tells you a lot about amerikan imperialism and the msm role in assisting it.

So when it came time to destroy states in the ME & North Africa it was vital that amerika get former European colonial masters onside by offering up a slice of the pie in return for access to existing intelligence networks and regional expertise. That way European media networks, in particular english language media would get behind the destruction making the chances of amerikans being disturbed by the reality of amerikan imperialism as unlikely in the ME as it was in Latin America.

The puppeteers know that once the people lose all hope of rebuilding their nation that issues about the particular brand of economics or religion practised by regional warlords become subsumed by greed.

Mexico is the epitome of what happens - watch Cartel Land and learn. The hassles with destroying the Syrian state stem from the fact that Russia was Syria's coloniser and the Russian government didn't find amerikan offers appealing at all.

The problem that amerika has with Syria's oil is that they learned in Iraq that whilst it is relatively easy to take advantage of existing infrastructure in a failed state, it is not possible to persuade the greedy to invest large sums in one. Bombed oil refineries remain out of commission in failed states. The only thing to do is to allow a state to develop but look what happened next - Iraq turned their backs on amerikan resource corporations leaving the poor old amerikan greedheads with no alternative but to encourage the development of Daesh & get them to grab the wells and refineries once they had been rebuilt.

So no - amerika is going to do everything it can to avoid destroying Syria's refineries.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 2 2015 4:42 utc | 180

@Susan Sunflower@28

Western sanctions alone would not have been able to move millions of Syrians out of their country, the war played a crucial role in it, and by this I mean the particular kind of war waged on Syrians. If the anti-Assad opposition would have been genuinely Syrian, there would have been a migration, as expected from any country suffering a civil war, but it wouldn’t have reached the massive figures we know in such a short time.

For example, Iraqis coped with sanctions for years, and even though it broke their country’s social fabric, it didn’t cause them to live in large numbers. The US invasion and the orchestrated sectarian conflict that followed it force them to leave, a process that has taken more than a decade. Syrians’ exodus however, is different, they have left the country in large numbers in a relatively short time when compared to Iraqis.

UNHCR and all other agencies living off the refugees cannot give a clear account of numbers and locations, this remains a grey area, sort of a guessing game. The presence of the absence, so to speak, of Iraqi refugees after the Syrian crisis hit the MSM, has many a purpose. One of them is to highlight Syria’s exodus as the work of “bloody dictator” Assad, another reason is to push for “regime change”/R2P, and yet another is to hide the US-created carnage that is Iraq, the human tragedy that “regime change” has created just next door to their current “experiment.” As I said, statistics on refugees remain a grey area, and I am sure you saw this news from Sweden, which borders on the ridiculous.

14,000 illegal immigrants disappear without trace

Atrocities, as you well exposed, played a significant role in the mass migration, people were deeply scared about head-choppers/liver-eaters, but the atrocities themselves wouldn’t have caused this mass migration either. I believe the main factor behind the migration was the imposition of a belief system, by which the takfiris defined anyone who was not a takfiri an enemy to be subjected to their terror. This imposition of terror had a further purpose, a more nefarious scheme in mind, it was a policy with the clear command of expelling people out of Syria.

In other words, what we have witnessed is not a refugee crisis, it is ethnic cleansing, period.

Now that Erdogan’s intentions with Syria are out in the open, we can see his strategy was to clean the Syrian border from Syrians/Syrian Kurds, repopulate it with Uyghurs and other Turkic people imported from Central Asia, as well as the so-called Turkmen, take as much territory from northern Syria, INCLUDING the oil wells, declare it a “safe-zone,” and with the support of the US and spineless NATOstan, keep it, once they had succeeded with the “Assad must go” chant, the main obstacle to fulfill their ambitions.

This is old and tried ethnic cleansing, without a doubt.

I lost the first post I wrote you commenting on your answer to Vollin@14, which went along the same lines than this one. In the meantime, I found an article confirming my ethnic cleansing hypothesis, which I link for you. I certainly hope we continue digging on the predicament of the refugees, so many questions, very few answers, and so much suffering.

Is Erdogan Planning a Full-Fledged Turkish Occupation of Northern Syria?

French politician Nicolas Dhuicq believes that the Turkish government may be attempting to carry out a campaign which amounts to an indirect form of ethnic cleansing in northern Syria, resettling abandoned villages in the north of the country with Turkic-speaking peoples.

Speaking with Radio Sputnik France on Tuesday, Dhuicq, an MP in the French National Assembly and a member of the legislative body's Defense Commission, said that he thinks "that Mr. Erdogan seeks, like the Ottoman Empire did before him, to move people and resettle several villages in northern Syria with Turkic-speaking peoples."

The MP explained that he has access to information which leads him to believe that "these villages, abandoned by Syrians, will be settled by Uighurs from China."

"I think that Mr. Erdogan is pursuing a policy aimed at the reconstruction of the Ottoman Empire," Dhuicq warned.

"He is investing heavily in Iraqi Kurdistan, aiming to take possession of its oil, as Turkey has no oil of its own. Mr. Erdogan is gunning down Syrian and Turkish Kurds. He is moving Turkic-speaking peoples to northern Syria. He is interested in seeing the distraction of ISIL, Al-Nusra or whatever else you want to call it, playing out in the center of Syria and Iraq [...]"

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 2 2015 5:01 utc | 181

Lisa @141,
"If it wasn't all running out, and new stuff harder and harder to find and extract, why are there so many wars over it?"

You can't infer how much oil & gas exist by the US's behavior: You have to look directly at the discoveries of petrochemicals. I have an enormous list of substantial dicoveries of both, which are as yet undeveloped-- enough to last at least til the end of the century, and we are always discovering more. Peak oil was a hoax put out by the oil oligarchs as an excuse to raise gas prices. If you want the documentation on oil & gas, see Wm Engdahl's site "oilgeoppolitics". Btw the Russians demonstrated years ago that it's not a fossil fuel; it's a renewable natural product of the core of the earth.

The wars are over US CONTROL of up & running supplies, as a means to hegemony.
PS: Nobody likes or wants pollution. In California & elsewhere TPB destroy dams so that electricity has to be generated by other means.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 2 2015 5:02 utc | 182

In accepting the yuan in is new status as one of SDR basket reserve currency, the IMF raised the flag of rebellion. Ukraine is not getting any more tranches in spite of aggressive lobbying by their sponsors. Either Madame Lagarde is showing some backbone or she knows that the AIIB is a game changer.

Posted by: Sun Tzu | Dec 2 2015 5:13 utc | 183

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6bjDwWjbec

UK defence secretary Michael Fallon at ~ 3.00 min referring to the "70,000"

"they deserve our support if we are to free syria of both assad and isil"

Regime change pure and simple

Posted by: ABhba | Dec 2 2015 5:13 utc | 184

@175 The race is on to seal the border. Reminds me of the Race to the sea after the Marne counteroffensive in sept/oct 1914. May the 4+1 prevail and stop the insanity..

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 2 2015 5:31 utc | 185

@Wayoutwest@172

Of course you never post links, because you never provide any evidence at all on any of your prefabricated lies. Very convenient.

I already wrote a long post on the issue, I am not going to rehash it for you, enough for me to debunk each and all of your lies. If you would have followed my advice and gone back to reading remedial school long ago, instead of wasting your time posting pro zio-nazi drivel, we would have solved half our problems: your limited understanding. The other half is hopeless, as it is embedded in your DNA. Don't bother to reply, I won't dignify you with an answer.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 2 2015 5:32 utc | 186

@178 ABhba.. thanks... that is pretty plain to see.. it's been about getting rid of assad all along, but this type of honesty is a slip up on this guys part... why the fuck are they meddling? is the uk still stuck on colonialism? what fucking century are we in? that's their arrogant path i suppose.. they don't know any different..

@168 lw.. true enough... good luck talking to the same folks with a known history of talking bullshite 24/7..

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2015 5:58 utc | 187

@126 From The Hague

i guess Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen would prefer to work with Alparslan Çelik, who is a member of the fascist and GLADIO-associated right-wing group the Gray Wolves - the guy who shot the russian pilot while coming down via parachute.. these are the types of ''moderates'' the west is supporting.. impressive..

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2015 6:04 utc | 188

@174 Penelope and @177 Sun Tzu

Of course everything has to be denominated in US dollars.....until there is a decision to change the status quo.

Now that the Chinese currency has been "blessed" by the IMF, it means that their currency can be invested in by other countries.

Just like the tipping point with Russia/Syria/Ukraine, we are close to the China/BRICS et al saying to the IMF/US Congress, If you won't recognize our contribution to the world economy and are greedy about your provision of financial services, we will just organize ourselves using the AIIB and BRICS banks to provide the world with alternative financial services (MMT like).

It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when......assuming we all live through the challenge to US/private finance hegemony.....and its way past time, IMO!!!!!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 2 2015 6:16 utc | 189

Re: Russia to increase its warplane count in Syria to more than 100...
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 1, 2015 8:48:41 AM | 87

The Russians don't need more than 50 warplanes to fulfill their purely anti-ter'rist mission in Syria. The only logical reason (imo) for Russia to bring in so many extra aircraft is to cover the losses it expects to sustain when it begins to inflict painfully heavy losses on the anti-Assad, anti-Syria, Coalition of Colonial Judeo-Christian Crooks & Liars.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 2 2015 6:45 utc | 190

Penelope #176. problem is all the new stuff is insanely expensive to extract.

For example: The breakeven costs for oil fracking is in the $80-$120. Deep sea oil fields off Brazil $140..at least. Arctic..who knows...

Compared to the $10-$20 from the ancient Saudi mega fields.

In this world wide deflationary environment, crushing commodity prices, a heck of a lot of current oil, gas and coal is simply uneconomic to extract, let along develop new and far more expensive resources.

There is an interesting point when you look at the BP Statistical Report, US coal production rose over many years, but the energy per tonne content declined, hence the total energy extracted stayed the same. This is because the best quality (and easiest to extract) coal has already been gotten and the quality continues to degrade.

What also happens, over and above money, is the Energy Extracted for the Energy Invested ratio declines.

So when you look at those factors we are past peak oil as conventional (and cheap) oil prodction peaked in 2005. We are at (worldwide) close to peak gas and not that far off peak coal.
Gas and coal are problematic, because they are costly to move. LNG doubles the price (at least), coal is bulky and as quality declines this means the transport costs for the energy moved increases.

Overlaid on this critical time period is the collapse of the 'boom' cheap and easy debt fueled economic model we have all followed, and are now facing crushing deflation. This raises some intresting scenarios, where we could see a (say) nation not being able to afford (say) oil at a price the supplier can afford, so they just won't get it. In other words decreasing production might not actually raise prices because buyers can't afford it, in which case we have to move to rationing model.


However this all plays out we can be sure of one thing, the models we have followed since 1945 ...are over.

Posted by: Lisa | Dec 2 2015 7:09 utc | 191

So dwarf state Lithuania is a strong partner for the US in NATO and to set policy on the Syria-Turkey border. Well done Atlantic Council Hawks.

NATO To Strenghten Turkey Border Defence - US Mission Creep

Reminds me of Palau as US ally to vote in UNGA to support Israel ...

Posted by: Oui | Dec 2 2015 8:48 utc | 192

@164 lw

I dont think b filters anything, other than ip addresses, I think typepad does. I may be wrong.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 2 2015 9:07 utc | 194

@188 maybe but I made a post a few hours ago to this very thread - refreshed the page and it had taken yet I come back now and find it has disappeared kinda weird the only really contentious thing was where I suggested amerika viewed Russia's relationship with Syria similarly to england and france's relationship with various ME and North African states - that is as a coloniser who needed to be assuaged before destroying their former free lunch as a nation state.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 2 2015 11:36 utc | 195

@Debs is dead@189

I can assure you there is no conspiracy behind, since I suffer the same problem. IMHO, and I speculate here, it has to do with b's security software, not with filters or blocking anyone. It happens I finish the post, post it, server confirms it is posted, click on "Post another comment," the post is not there. I, therefore, copy all my posts to a Notepad before posting them, just in case. It doesn't happen all the time, but many enough to take measures such as copying the post. My solution: I refresh the browser, go back to MoA, post, and voila, the post is there. Very same post. Hope that helps.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 2 2015 13:18 utc | 196

@Oui #186:

Reminds me of Palau as US ally to vote in UNGA to support Israel ...

Palau also demonstrated its steadfast solidarity with the US by joining it and Canada and Ukraine to vote against the UN resolution condemning the glorification of Nazism.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 2 2015 13:18 utc | 197

@Oui #186:

Reminds me of Palau as US ally to vote in UNGA to support Israel ...

Palau also demonstrated its steadfast solidarity with the US by joining it, Canada, and Ukraine to vote against the UN resolution condemning the glorification of Nazism.

@jfl #188:

I dont think b filters anything, other than ip addresses, I think typepad does.

Believe it or not, the above got blocked, so I had to use TinyURL. I don't think b filters TASS.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 2 2015 13:29 utc | 198

@Hoarsewhisperer@184

The Russians don't need more than 50 warplanes to fulfill their purely anti-ter'rist mission in Syria. The only logical reason (imo) for Russia to bring in so many extra aircraft is to cover the losses it expects to sustain when it begins to inflict painfully heavy losses on the anti-Assad, anti-Syria, Coalition of Colonial Judeo-Christian Crooks & Liars.

That might be, but I don't think the Russians are doing it with losses in mind. IMHO, Syria/Iran/Lebanon are seen by Russia as the SW frontier against the relentless encroaching/encirclement of the US/NATO on the borders of the Eurasian mass, and one of their lines of strategic defense. The main purpose of US/UK/NATO in Syria is not to fight their bastard children, it is to deny Russia this defensive line, a necessary breathing space for a nuclear power.

No doubt they need to prepare for any eventuality, e.g. Erdogan going berserk again, and having the power to control the Syrian skies and its surroundings is essential in case a confrontation develops. Increasing the jet fleet as well as the manpower, getting another airbase in Syria, is a show of confidence their war against the takfiris is going well, and a message for the Coalition of the Bastards that for Russia, Syria is a red line.

Take a look at Oui@186 link, very illustrative on same subject.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 2 2015 13:59 utc | 199

@Hoarsewhisperer@184

Take a look at Oui@186 link, very illustrative on same subject.

Better, take a look at b's latest post, The Real "Terrorist Sympathizers" Want To Wage War On Syria ... And Russia

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Dec 2 2015 14:25 utc | 200

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