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October 15, 2015

U.S. Official Bemoans Russian Destruction Of "Our" Terrorists

Some U.S. official is whining because his flock of bastards gets hurt:

"Putin is deliberately targeting our forces," a U.S. official, who is disappointed in the U.S. response to Russia, told Fox News.

"Our guys are fighting for their lives," said the official, estimating up to 150 CIA-trained moderate rebels have been killed by the Russians.

"Our forces", "our guys" - hmm. The official is referring to the CIA-mercenaries who are fighting under al-Qaeda's command:

Advancing alongside the Islamist groups, and sometimes aiding them, have been several of the relatively secular groups, like the Free Syrian Army, which have gained new prominence and status because of their access to the TOWs.

Even in smaller quantities, the missiles played a major role in the insurgent advances that eventually endangered Mr. Assad’s rule. While that would seem like a welcome development for United States policy makers, in practice it presented another quandary, given that the Nusra Front was among the groups benefiting from the enhanced firepower.

It is a tactical alliance that Free Syrian Army commanders describe as an uncomfortable marriage of necessity, because they cannot operate without the consent of the larger and stronger Nusra Front.

The "official" should go to jail for, at least, indirectly arming and supporting the terrorists of Jabhat al-Nusra aka al-Qaeda in Syria.

Under U.S. domestic law Obama justifies his attacks on the Islamic State in Syria (which is illegal under international law) with reference to the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists as passed by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001. According to that AUMF:

That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist ...

If that is the relevant legal code to fight the Islamic State then this even more so applies to Jabhat al-Nusra as it is loyal to the original al-Qaeda organization.

What Russia does, fighting on behalf of the legal government of Syria after having been asked to do so, is not only legal under international law but it is also easily justifiable by the same U.S. domestic law which the U.S. president applies to fight the Islamic State.

That whining official should recognize that a. what "his forces" do is illegal under U.S. law b. what Russia does with "his guys" is legal even under U.S. law and c. that there is always a moral hazard when using such proxy forces.

When the CIA send some idiots to invade Cuba where they were killed or capture it could do nothing and did nothing to protect them because that would have started a much bigger war. This is the same case here. These forces will be destroyed and there is nothing the U.S. can or will do about that. If you are sentimental about the fate of mercenaries and if you do not want this to happen do not use proxy forces but be man enough to go yourself.

Posted by b on October 15, 2015 at 01:51 PM | Permalink

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Good piece, not only is it illegal under US law, it is illegal under the UN Charter and other International law provisions. But the US has thrown International law under the bus and now depend on either color revolutions or violent regime change to achieve its geopolitical objectives. I think Russia and China have received the message loud and clear and have drawn the line in the sand in Syria. At a Wednesday press briefing, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said US-led demands for Assad to resign are wrongheaded. She also said “They try to persuade us that, if (he) resigns, the terrorist activity will decline, as the Islamic State is waging a war because of Assad. This is the direct implementation of terrorists' logic. One cannot interpret these statements otherwise.”

"It’s very odd to hear the civilized world suggesting meeting terrorists’ requirements. In the past, when international terrorism and terrorist attacks were discussed, the world spoke with one voice and acted very resolutely.”

“Nobody said, ‘Let’s meet terrorists’ demands to reduce their influence and minimize the impact.’ “http://sjlendman.blogspot.co.uk/

Posted by: harry law | Oct 15, 2015 2:07:05 PM | 1

A direct bomb hit on a terrorist observation point/strong point in Kansaffra slightly east of the Ghab plain

a. Filmed by Russian drone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThLkCtqIO78
b. Filmed by some terrorists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn6MH_IsCaM
The place on a sat-picture map: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=de&lat=35.650514&lon=36.483278&z=17&m=b

Posted by: b | Oct 15, 2015 2:08:41 PM | 2

Russians simply pound anyone standing between Syrian Army and Idlib. They don't care who it is - a "moderate" head-chopper, or a certified maniac. If CIA is so concerned about the fate of its "assets", then all it has to do is to order these clowns to withdraw back to Turkey.

Posted by: MMARR | Oct 15, 2015 2:15:24 PM | 3

I wonder if some of "our terrorists" the Us is whining about are to be found within ISIS (and not only Us "assets" - also SAS). The F-16 strike on a power plant east of Aleppo, in ISIS territory, plunging the zone in darkness, could have been part of an exfiltration operation.

Posted by: claudio | Oct 15, 2015 2:39:26 PM | 4

There Is zero point asking recidivist genocodal/ war criminals in the US Empire to recognise international law. They know the law, but don't care and they have never cared. And the whole point is to ignore international/domestic laws so they can be an evil empire.
And a few examples where the lower ranking Canon-fodder are convicted for their blatant crimes, well, that sells the idea that the system works, in-service of future bigger and more crimes.

Posted by: tom | Oct 15, 2015 2:41:56 PM | 5

[...]be man enough to go yourself.

Quite a challenge for the US cabal, which considers "normal" to send others to die for "democracy'" and "freedom." What these lamentations confirm, is the degradation of US foreign policy, in bed with neonazis in Ukraine, and fundamentalist cannibals in Syria/Iraq. The end justify the means, a foreign policy devoid of any morals, any constructive intentions, a tool of oppression and domination. Foreign policy being an extension of domestic policy, the US bartering with the devil abroad, is a reflection of their quasi-fascist, police state at home, killing minorities (historically), and using all means of oppression to keep them passive and subjected. The US, that "beacon of freedom," is now an ally of Al-Qaeda, whose main aim is the destruction of ...the US. We have gone full circle.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 15, 2015 2:51:18 PM | 6

A bit different POV here, interesting IMO:

http://essential-intelligence-network.blogspot.de/2015/09/the-old-world-coalition-against-isis.html

"This article reviews the turning-point occurring at present in the global-strategic balance of powers between the USA and between an expanding old-world coalition of 2nd-class powers, who physically refute the financial and terrestrial terrorism of that north-American former hegemon.

The Financial bubble is based on Western Dominance of the Middle-East
- the clearest example to this principle is the Oil-Shock in the wake of the October 1973 war.
When wars, regardless to who started them, either fail or are traumatic to the western party or ally,
it opens the way to further deterioration, which jeopardizes the Western dominance over GCC
Oil and Gas fields and over the Suez canal. If it wasn't for the Arab spring,
then the Persian gulf would have been on fire set by Iran and its proxy Hezbollah:
This is clearly exemplified by Hezbollah's substantial, proud and loud intervention
in the Yemeni war, which poured on purpose into Saudi Arabia.
On 10 April 2015 Nasrallah delivered an intelligent interview where he clearly hinted at his
cunning strategy to eliminating the house of Saud [2].
That was one day before Saudia was invaded [3].
Take note of his latest comments in that interview:
"other peoples and countries in the region will be salvaged :-) "
"let's see what the coming days will bring"
* Nassrallah's smile packed lots of punch when saying the above sentences.
This may imply beyond the entire GCC and Jordan, namely also on Egypt and Israel.
Jordan and Egypt are Saudia's big and explicit war-partners against the Houties."

Posted by: zedz | Oct 15, 2015 2:58:16 PM | 7

As opposed to him though, I still don't see Russia truly working with the Mullahs, long-term. Iran will have to reform, as will all the arabian oil monarchies. Might take time though.

Posted by: zedz | Oct 15, 2015 3:01:47 PM | 8

b, thanks for the video links. Especially in your previous post. I don't have the stomach to sift through the plethora of grizzly militant home movies on youtube to find these gems.

If it isn't until they're lying in the dirt with their guts hanging out that these militants realise the Russians were all in, more fool them.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Oct 15, 2015 3:19:18 PM | 9

It is interesting to see that major US imperial voices (Brzezinski, this pentagon clown, and others) are now completely in the open defending and (more importantly) admitting that the US has been actively supporting al-Qaida forces in Syria. And now we have top officials confirming it.

All it took was for Russia to begin destroying those forces to get Brzezinski to come out of the closet and openly admit it. As we all know Brz hates Russia and his major accomplishment was to grow al-Qaida in Afghanistan to oppose Russia in 1979. Something he has refused to offer any apologies for. It is fun to watch grown men cry when their evil plans are finally thwarted. There is little chance that Brz and his foolish followers are going to succeed in getting the American people to join them in their efforts to support al-Qaida. I find it amazing that Brz would actually come out a say that Russia is attacking our "assets" in Syria.

Posted by: ToivoS | Oct 15, 2015 3:23:23 PM | 10

I think that seeing how much the puppets of the global plutocrats are breaking international law shows how desperate they are getting. At least in 2008 Obama could say that the raping by Wall Street was "legal". And then they went on to destroy the US dollar but that is another story.

They can't even say that what they are doing now to hold on to power is legal. I wonder if the US military is so far corrupted that they can no longer do the honorable thing they profess to be and overthrow the fascist cabal that is private finance and the power behind the global plutocrats.....How come none of these folks act like they love their children and our future on this planet?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 15, 2015 3:46:31 PM | 11

Remember August 2013? The US then wanted to get rid of Assad like they did with Khadafi, but the Americans couldn't stand a backing of al-Qaeda by the US army.

Same thing now. Except that they created ISIS and try to make believe that al-Qaeda is moderate.

In both cases, the Russians came to the rescue of sanity.

Posted by: danx | Oct 15, 2015 3:48:35 PM | 12

Yes, b, that's why it ought to be called the Outlaw Empire!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 15, 2015 3:49:56 PM | 13

They can't help it, b. They're AmeriKKKan.
It's just as brainless as Obama lecturing China about the Spratly Islands, but "forgetting" about the US base on Diego Garcia (Chagos Islands).
Or talking about the Afghan Govt and the Iraq Govt while "forgetting" that both are (unpopular) US puppet governments.
Glass house syndrome?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15, 2015 3:59:46 PM | 14

b said: When the CIA send some idiots to invade Cuba where they were killed or capture it could do nothing and did nothing to protect them because that would have started a much bigger war. This is the same case here. These forces will be destroyed and there is nothing the U.S. can or will do about that.

I agree with you completely, but by virtue of your excellent analysis, a rational and justified pretext has been submitted for NATO to annihilate the Russian backed and supplied terrorists in Eastern Ukraine. See how this works? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I agree the crank you quoted is a whiner. If he was smart, he'd realize Putin can have his cake but he can never eat it too, meaning he's in for a slog without end. He will make more enemies than friends, and talk about fronts, give this five years and Russia will be involved in conflicts on multiple fronts at this rate — something his struggling middle class cannot afford via their hard-earned taxes. His imperial ambitions will result in a massive transfer of wealth from his heretofore budding middle class to the Oligarchs who own the weapons manufacturing concerns, and there's not much wealth to transfer in the form of taxes. I sure hope the Russians weren't expecting infrastructure improvements because clearly it's not going to happen any time soon. Just as in Soviet times, supreme sacrifice will be the rule of the day. Russians of yore had the stomach for sacrifice because that's all they knew, but this latest generation got a taste of the good life and it may not have the capacity for sacrifice. We'll see. They won't have a choice whether they accept sacrifice or not. It will be rammed down their throats.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Oct 15, 2015 4:03:16 PM | 15

b,

Reminds me of the comment: Putin plays chess, Obama plays checkers.

Posted by: Skip | Oct 15, 2015 4:16:30 PM | 16

What is interesting are the comments sections on Putins blitz of the terrorists in Syria. This article in the Daily Mailhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3272872/Russia-prepares-rain-hellfire-ISIS-Putin-s-forces-deploy-Blazing-Sun-heavy-flamethrower-missile-launcher-Syria-capable-flattening-eight-city-blocks.html#ixzz3oZhixJsg has the first 60 comments [no time to read them all] praising Putin, other UK papers have similar praise for Putin in their comments sections. The UK/US are out of touch with public opinion.

Posted by: harry law | Oct 15, 2015 4:17:52 PM | 17

The stark reality of the appalling bloody mass murder and mayhem generated by the US-led Western/NATO hegemony is anything but funny.

Even so, it's sort of funny-- mordantly and ironically, if offensively, absurd-- that US/EU critics of Russia's recent intervention stridently squeal like stuck pigs because Russia's political and military leaders ignore or reject the West's best-laid plans for conquest.

Whether it's "Assad must go!" or "It's a war crime to target the West's 'friendly' terrorist factions just because they're objectively indistinguishable from the 'bad' terrorists!", it begs the question "Sez who?"

That said, it's predictable that those inhabiting a bubble of delusional, demented authoritarian groupthink would be genuinely shocked and affronted when a powerful political/military leader outside the bubble treats their methods, sources, and endless backfiring intrigues-within-intrigues with the disdain it deserves.

The Western charlatans in charge expect the rest of the world to give them carte blanche to pursue their ruinous and failed strategies and policies; they are at a loss when confronted with commonsensical skepticism from a formidable leader/nation unwilling to kow-tow to them. Hubris much?

Posted by: Ort | Oct 15, 2015 4:23:54 PM | 18

re 17. The public really hates ISIS, and wants to nuke them. ISIS, though, are not such an important objective for our politicians. For them it is more important to destroy Asad.

Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 15, 2015 4:26:01 PM | 19

I think the US could have made a much more strategic decision and it revolves around Turkey (a recurring theme in my comments). I could imagine that stability in Turkey is regarded to be more important than "the project" in Syria. That would mean that the US is dropping support for the rebels in Syria and Russia is allowed to do the dirty work.

Keep in mind: Turkey's place on the map is a very strategic one.

That's IMO also why NATO never condemned Turkey for fighting the kurds. Or tries to avoid mentioning the kurds at all. But "less support" for the kurds is good for ISIS.

Posted by: Willy2 | Oct 15, 2015 4:38:28 PM | 20

thanks b..... exceptional nation = rogue nation... no getting around this regardless of how much lipstick the official stenographers ( nyt, wapo, wsj - or the lowly ones - fox, cnn and etc) put on it..

Posted by: james | Oct 15, 2015 4:47:39 PM | 21

@15

Even the Ukrainian government has admitted that the coup was not a legitimate transfer of power and most of us still wonder exactly what that $5B package to Ukraine was for seeing it didn't appear on any budget we'll ever see.
The Russian people saw Ukraine's Nazification for what it was and reacted to protect their brothers in the Donbass. People do draw lines in the sand when their interest are threatened and the indigenous population in the Donbass was not the mercs and expats that sailed from Florida.
All you have to do is look at the Ukraine that was created to see what a mess it is today. That's what regime change causes when it's not in the interest of the people but some other agenda.
For a good cause I'm sure we're all capable of making sacrifices but after rolling up an $18+T debt there just isn't that much left to give. The US is the one that's moved the furthest since the cold war, it's just that they're going in the wrong direction right now and need to change. Russian per capita debt is much less than the US' and a war of attritiion has probably already been lost. It's not like we had a choice either is it?

Posted by: anon48 | Oct 15, 2015 4:53:10 PM | 22

One of my biggest complaints about all this war-drone-CIA-mongering is that there are few repercussions to those directing all this. In point of fact, they are so detached from the actual murder and killing that it takes ones breath away:

https://theintercept.com/document/2015/10/15/small-footprint-operations-2-13/

It has become an alternate reality, and lives are not even considered or spoken of. "Targets" definitely dehumanize things. Carlin was so right - reading this just makes the madness apparent.

Posted by: BOG | Oct 15, 2015 4:53:51 PM | 23

Russia and Iran will retaliate in Yemen for the Saudi 'donation' of TOW to the terrorists in Syria.
These are the first signs of the failure of the Saudis to "pacify Aden". More to come.

"The Yemeni government left Aden for Riyadh under the pretext that there are not proper buildings in Aden for the ministers, while the ministers knew that there were not buildings before they came to Aden."

Posted by: Virgile | Oct 15, 2015 5:19:47 PM | 24

@ Virgile | 24

Probably, Resistance axis is getting serious (about time), and blowback to Saudis is expected, in one way or another. Advanced MANPADs in Houthis hands could really hurt medieval apes from Saudi. Like in other news:

Yemeni Forces Down Saudi Warplane in Sa'ada

Reports identified the downed warplane as a Saudi F-16.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940723000721

Posted by: Harry | Oct 15, 2015 5:29:05 PM | 25

Harry Law @ 1, Terrific comment.

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 15, 2015 5:34:28 PM | 26

Iran always denied sending soldiers to Syria, but now they officially say: "Iran Ready to Send Troops to Syria if Requested." http://goo.gl/PFk6Rl

Thats a diplomatic lingvo "we already doing it, but its time to make it official".

In relevant remarks on Monday, Commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari underlined that the terrorist groups in Syria will sustain great losses in coming days.

"We will witness great victories in Syria in the next few days," Jafari said.

Noting that the security of Western Asia, including Iran, is dependent on Syria and the resistance front, he said, "We should support this front with all our power."

The wording is interesting. Not "in the near future", but "in the next few days". My guess is, with activated 2nd airport Russia will increase their sorties, while prepared ground forces will move into offensive. 'b' is probably right, that offensive in the last few weeks was more like combat reconnaissance.

Posted by: Harry | Oct 15, 2015 5:43:06 PM | 27

http://shadowproof.com/2015/10/12/wikileaks-us-government-plotted-to-kill-bolivian-president-evo-morales/

angryspittle • 7 hours ago

The greatest enemy of democratic desires of peoples all over the world in the past 75 years has been the US. The US has thwarted, murdered, squashed, sabotaged, and denied the will of the people all over the world all the time braying about our support for democracy. And the stupid people still think we are the greatest nation to ever exist.....Jesus, how fucking ignorant and pathetic are the vast majority to eat this shit like it is chocolate ice cream.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Oct 15, 2015 5:50:34 PM | 28

b,

How extraordinary that Adam Elkus should be preoccupied about the US moral obligation to its hired killers, but expresses not a bit of concern for those to be killed! He has doubts about the policy of "violence" because it may not be effective-- or fair to the killers. He acknowledges the appeal of proxies for the "pressured policymakers looking for solutions to difficult security problems."

Amazing! The Syrian people living 6,000 miles away were a difficult security problem. This writer IS a moral hazard, for his lying propaganda that helps to hide the truth.

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 15, 2015 5:58:14 PM | 29

So, how long before the moral of these mercenaries is shattered and large numbers of them just cut and run? It's becoming increasingly clear the US isn't going to back them, other than dropping lots of gear which isn't going to help much against the Russian aerial juggernaut. I don't care how much someone offers to pay me, if I have no chance of winning and probably won't even survive why would I fight?

Posted by: Plenue | Oct 15, 2015 6:00:49 PM | 30

A rather large #Russia military transport plane [the kind where its tail flips up] landed in #Yemen capital Sanaa last night.

— Abu Hud Al Hadhrami (@BaFana3) October 14, 2015

Posted by: gemini33 | Oct 15, 2015 6:12:08 PM | 31

@30 I expect they are encouraged by the sheer volume of anti-Russian propaganda the MSM keeps regurgitating.

Posted by: dh | Oct 15, 2015 6:23:52 PM | 32

@30 I wonder what the demographic makeup of the rebel/bandit fighters are now.

I am theorizing that the Syrians and Iraqis are in the process of being all but abandoned by the European fighters..

Perhaps a widescale surrender can be negotiated once the rabble-rouses are out of the scene. I'd prefer it to a widescale bloodbath; there are child-soldiers and families that are mixed up in all of this.

Posted by: bbbbb | Oct 15, 2015 6:28:49 PM | 33

psychohistorian @ 11,
It is amazing the extent to which the neocons & the ancient Zbig have exposed themselves. I imagine that the decent element within the military is concerned over the loss of honor. The hapless neocon crazies are STILL urging a no-fly-- or maybe TWO no-flies. I suppose they must be allowed to have their little provocation of sailing within the 12 mile limit of the Spratlies. Brats!

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 15, 2015 6:40:00 PM | 34

@15 Cold

Every time I read a post of some westerner rooting against Russia, I always have the same question.

"How would it benefit you if Russians lost?"

They lost in Afghanistan. The result? 9/11, 10000 dead Americans, and at least $2 trillion down the drain...or did Russians actually win by losing?

So can you please answer the question above...

How would it be good for you if Russia withdraws from Syria, and an orgy of an unbelievable violence ensues? With jihadis rampaging all over the world, countless millions of refugees streaming into Europe, Israel under siege, US interests under attack everywhere.
Is that really what you want? Or you prefer not to think about the consequences and just hope for the better?

Posted by: MMARR | Oct 15, 2015 6:41:10 PM | 35

When the CIA attacked Castro with a band of mercenaries at Bay of Pigs whom got their asses handed to them, Kennedy would not send US troops to escalate. Then, Kennedy fired Allen Dulles and made some remarks about getting out of Viet Nam and other remarks about shattering the CIA into a thousand pieces.

Then he was "taken out". He was the last pres. who'd had any autonomy. He was skilled in the use of the bully pulpit to put down his rivals and to educate and influence his audience.

JFK was the first guy elected after Eisenhower warned of the rise of the frightening Military Industrial Complex. He wanted to say Military Industrial Congressional Complex, but that part about congress was unfortunately omitted.

We've had nothing but MIC puppets ever since.

Posted by: fast freddy | Oct 15, 2015 6:49:47 PM | 36

@Harry 25

The predictable complication for the UAE and Saudi Arabia is that the Southern forces in Yemen only want to separate from the North now that the Houthis are gone. In addition Al Qaeda is ready to jump in the void. A potentially explosive situation. The Yemen government pompously hailed for returning to 'pacified' Aden has returned in panic to Mother Saudi Arabia for fear on their life. The UAE and Saudi Arabia are looking for an exit, but I doubt they will find it. Will they call Russia for help?

"Rising tensions between Yemen's Southern Movement and UAE forces"

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/dispute-between-southern-movement-and-uae-forces-1236741953


Posted by: Virgile | Oct 15, 2015 7:02:31 PM | 37

Yeah, fast freddy, it's been opulopaths all the way down since the Mafia State Media took over the Death Screens of the masses.

What other expectation?

Posted by: blues | Oct 15, 2015 7:04:21 PM | 38


http://thesaker.is/dreams-of-a-sleeping-alligator-dream-two-size-matters-and-obamas-zugzwang/

Size matters & Obama's WHAT wang?

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 15, 2015 7:08:33 PM | 39

"Russia 'reducing air strikes against Syrian rebels' as intervention fails"

That's it then guys. The game is up. Intervention has failed.

Jeez..


Posted by: Pat Bateman | Oct 15, 2015 7:09:00 PM | 40

fast freddy said: He was the last pres. who'd had any autonomy.

I disagree. Nixon was the last president and he was taken out too when he pulled out of Vietnam. Just taken out in another less bloody and dramatic way. And it wasn't that JFK was going to pull advisors out of Vietnam, it was that he wouldn't escalate the Vietnam conflict sufficiently. Coincidentally, or not, Johnson escalated Vietnam almost immediately upon taking over the office. Funny that.

Posted by: Cold N Holefield | Oct 15, 2015 7:11:41 PM | 41

MMARR @35: Every time I read a post of some westerner rooting against Russia, I always have the same question.

I am not rooting against Russia. I have no dog in the game. I'm just calling it as I see it. As Michael Corleone says, "it's not personal — it's strictly business."

I want nothing more than stability to come to Syria and the entire Middle East, but what I want and what will be are two vastly different things. I want to win the lottery yet I know I won't.

Posted by: Cold N Holefield | Oct 15, 2015 7:17:04 PM | 42

@41

You are right, Cold N.

Nixon did have some autonomy. To paraphrase Tricky Dick, the MIC "screwed him" because of it.

(Nixon: How can we screw John Lennon? How can we screw Jack Parr? Is there any way we can screw Paul Newman?)

Posted by: fast freddy | Oct 15, 2015 7:23:33 PM | 43

I'll pose another question: how long before large numbers of ISIS give up? I know these guys are supposed to be fanatics, but they've shown in the past how when actually faced with stiff resistance they suddenly become less enthusiastic about attaining the martyrdom they claim to want so badly and shift their efforts to another, easier front. What happens when there is no easier front?

Posted by: Plenue | Oct 15, 2015 7:23:47 PM | 44

@44 They will go back to Bradford and make shawarmas.

Posted by: dh | Oct 15, 2015 7:28:15 PM | 45

Posted by: fast freddy | Oct 15, 2015 7:23:33 PM | 43

Nixon may have been a bastard prick, but he was a somewhat independent, autonomous bastard prick. And then Bush & Co. put the screws to him ensuring no president would ever go rogue again.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Oct 15, 2015 7:29:40 PM | 46

@40

Ridiculous article, reads as though author did no research and has no familiarity with the situation. Even the photos are out of context.

Waste of time reading it.

Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 15, 2015 7:30:51 PM | 47

@47

It's just an example of Western propaganda...

Posted by: crone | Oct 15, 2015 8:36:42 PM | 48

The sad fate of 150 moderates: TOWs are precious weapon, too bad that they come with a curse: a target sign for Russian air force.

The successes in terms of land control are meager so far, but the number "150" that refers to a non-dominant component of Army of Conquest suggests that the bombing indeed hits its military assets. Declaring failure because Russia announced fewer strikes on Wednesday than on Tuesday is quite specious reasoning. The count of villages regained by the government seems more like 10 than 3, and we have few reliable news. It seems that the rebels have quite a lot of "technology", missiles, armored vehicles etc. and that they persistently stage counterattacks, so keeping those counterattack futile so far takes a lot of energy. Government gains are still precarious: today, Al Manar informed about "liberating of Safsafa", Safafa on many maps, while that location was mapped as already controlled. There are quite a few examples like that, but (a) no new location secured by either ISIS or the rebels from the government, (b) the government so far keeps almost all gains, even if they intitially change hands a few times, (c) helicopters, and much less surprising, planes showed no losses, and the bases likewise seem totally safe.

One conditional prediction may be that once rebel's stocks of the "technology" get depleted, they will start loosing at a significant clip. Russians already made it much more difficult to store and move those assets, and I guess that a number of revealed assets got destroyed. Crossing the border is no longer protected by Turkish air force. Brazen invasion from Turkish territory will probably become a thing of the past. Thus the time probably works for Syrian-Russian-Iranian alliance.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 15, 2015 9:50:59 PM | 49

It's a sad day to be an American with a president such as we have. So disappointed about how many Americans do not choose to educate themselves and blindly follow a such a man. As a Veteran myself and coming from a long line of military family members and friends, it's is sad to see how easily it is for people in position and power to gamble with the lives of so many. It is also sad that as an American I have to search out alternative news sources to find out the truth because we are fed lies by our elected officials. Thank you for this site and thank you for everyone's thoughts and opinions. I may not agree with everything, however it is liberating to know the truth and understand a worldview perspective. Also sad that I have to sign anonymous because we live in fear of our own government.

Posted by: anonymous | Oct 15, 2015 10:14:42 PM | 50

@50

I share your pain and and some family history. We're not anonymous enough though.

Posted by: anon48 | Oct 15, 2015 10:21:52 PM | 51

@50

We haven't had a good president since Nixon. Sure, that guy was a warmongering shitbag, but he also did things like the creation of OSHA and taking us off the nonsensical international gold standard. And he was actually held accountable for things, resigning before he could be impeached. Ford pardoning him was the start of the imperial presidency and a consistent trend of total unaccountability.

Posted by: Plenue | Oct 15, 2015 10:38:52 PM | 52

@ a 50: Except for the anonymous part, I share your sentiments completely. The therapy is a wonderful tonic.

Posted by: ben | Oct 15, 2015 10:43:04 PM | 53

@50 & 51

I post here and my web moniker links to a web site and directly to me. I have been a techie since 1969 and know that any delusion you may have of being anonymous on this planet, digitally or analog is just such.

Through the web site I am sharing for free a therapy to "cure" PTSD, trauma and anxiety and since you shared that you are a veteran I thought I would mention my attempt to help heal veterans, as well as the rest of the breathing world.

namaste

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 15, 2015 10:44:27 PM | 54

@54

I was (am) pretty technical myself. Research in telecom, etc. I know that we aren't anonymous.

Posted by: anon48 | Oct 15, 2015 11:07:15 PM | 55

@fast freddy 36


A couple of very recent pieces on JFK and theories regarding JFK's assassination.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/10/13/433263/CIA-kennedy-assassination

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/10/12/433126/JFK-CIA-James-Henry-Fetzer

Posted by: curious | Oct 15, 2015 11:16:29 PM | 56

@55 anon48

When they tapped into all the telcom switches and put Nacchio, president of Qwest in jail for trying to stand up to them, one could tell which way the wind was blowing.......so to speak. Man-in-the-middle will compromise "any" attempts at trying to be anonymous on the intertubes.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 15, 2015 11:18:29 PM | 57

i don't speak arabic.. anyone know what this is that they are examining in the video here?

Posted by: james | Oct 15, 2015 11:28:19 PM | 58

-Regarding the Zbig' big head talk.
All along this has been an exercise to limit / block the access to the Mediterranean Sea. It's about who is allowed and can have access to this sea, a sea that connects two oceans 2, 3 seas and three major continents. Basically Iraq and Syria are the last leg of of any hope for Nato to control the access to Mediterranean by China, Russia and Iran through Iran and Iraq. After US' failure to close the access in Iraq the last NATO hope to block such an access remains to be Syria. Fortunately I don't see any chance NATO can ever archive this in Syria, Iraq or Ukraine. It's a costly wishful exercise.

Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 15, 2015 11:38:36 PM | 59


From the wacky world of the US Defense Department -

" US Defense Secretary Ash Carter wants to save Syria from Moscow's "bad influence" "

http://english.irib.ir/news/world/west-asia/item/217184-pentagon-chief-threatens-to-deter-russia-influence-in-syria

Posted by: curious | Oct 15, 2015 11:43:40 PM | 60

18 U.S. Code § 2339B - Providing material support or resources to designated foreign terrorist organizations


(a) Prohibited Activities.—
  (1)Unlawful conduct.—

Whoever knowingly provides material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization, or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and, if the death of any person results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life. To violate this paragraph, a person must have knowledge that the organization is a designated terrorist organization (as defined in subsection (g)(6)), that the organization has engaged or engages in terrorist activity (as defined in section 212(a)(3)(B) of the Immigration and Nationality Act), or that the organization has engaged or engages in terrorism (as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989).


Enough people have been railroaded under this act, it needs to be put to use against genuine criminals : Obama, Brennan, McCain ... all of them need to spend the rest of their lives in the Big House, not the White House.

Posted by: jfl | Oct 15, 2015 11:44:10 PM | 61

From the Saker:

http://thesaker.is/international-military-review-syria-oct-15-2015-irans-attitude/

Posted by: ben | Oct 15, 2015 11:50:42 PM | 62

Even if the early signs wern't cohesive, I wonder how much of the Russian military involvement in Syria will unify the various jihadis.
Do they hate each other more then they want to combine to combat a powerful enemy ?

And as the Ongoing Russia air campaign goes on , the less obvious strategic and weapon warehouse locations will be an easy hit. They will spread their concentration of soldiers and weapons.

The jihadis were able to congregate due to their domination, but now they will quickly scatter and use human shields like the despicable shits that they are.

Posted by: tom | Oct 16, 2015 12:42:27 AM | 63

@63 tom

I know I continue to bring focus back to world finance but at a certain level this is about the ongoing attempt to destroy the influence of Muslim/ME cultural attitudes against usury by the private finance world.

i am not trying to support the jihadis but simply stating that simultaneous will all this is a world war between homo-private finance and homo-sovereign finance. The private finance world has been destroying cultures (read Monsters of the Market by David McNally and The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein) for centuries and I don't see it surviving the coming encounter with the waking China, et al. I read the creation of the AIIB and China's approach to international financing as more compatible with the culture of the ME than the private finance controlled world.

We are in interesting times.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 16, 2015 1:09:21 AM | 64

Kooshy | Oct 15, 2015 11:38:36 PM | 59

Interesting geopolitical idea you have. Not sure how accurate it might be but it is definitely food for thought.

China and Russia are working to build a new silk road that would link the Eurasian world together with rail for freight and land based telecommunications. This is in part to by-pass the sea lanes that are currently controlled by the US and her lackeys. But I guess that does not mean that the SCO nations are not willing to still work to have a piece of the Mediterranean corridors. Iran would be a critical link in both of the existing sea lanes and the new silk road.

Posted by: ToivoS | Oct 16, 2015 1:34:23 AM | 65


"In a Corporate State no one but a stooge will stand as President. No matter whether in charge is a bubba from Arkansas, a sham cowboy, a sissy black, or a warmongering harebrained bitch: a stooge bears no responsibility." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43142.htm

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 16, 2015 1:41:23 AM | 66

I apologize for this being a bit OT but this needs to get out there. Read the caption at the bottom of the picture.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2015-10/16/c_134718267_2.htm

The toading of empire puppets.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 16, 2015 1:57:12 AM | 67

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/u-s-backed-rebel-alliance-reportedly-loses-a-member-jund-al-aqsa-protests-fight-against-isis/

"Jund Al-Aqsa (offshoot of Jabhat Al-Nusra) has pulled out of Jaysh Al-Fateh in protest of the coalition’s recent statements that included their willingness to fight the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS)."

So far about this coalition fighting IS: They were until "recently" not even willing to fight IS, and already the pure statement that they are now willing to fight it (instead of actually fighting it) leads to a breakdown of this coalition.

Posted by: Max | Oct 16, 2015 2:24:43 AM | 68

@ psychohistorian | Oct 16, 2015 1:57:12 AM | 67

Wow. Everybody should see that!

By the way, this whole topic is quite saddening, anyway.

I saw your website. Somebody figured out how fat leaves the human body. Only one way -- as CO2.

Gotta get to sleep now.

Posted by: blues | Oct 16, 2015 2:26:43 AM | 69

#69 Somebody figured out how fat leaves the human body. Only one way -- as CO2.

Nope. It also leaves the body excreted as bile in stool.

Posted by: ToivoS | Oct 16, 2015 2:49:53 AM | 70

re 58

It's some king of Russian missile/bomb at a village outside Hama. without going to the dictionary.

Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 16, 2015 2:58:26 AM | 71

And I will say goodbye to the day at MOA with this reply to 69 and 70

Fat can leave the human body as all sorts of things as it is converted from fat to energy......might even power a fart.....grin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 16, 2015 3:01:03 AM | 72

james@58 google translate
Russian warship to receive rocket parachute failed to explode on the Al-Lataminah Brive Hama

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 16, 2015 3:17:16 AM | 73

@ Cold in #15: "I agree with you completely, but by virtue of your excellent analysis, a rational and justified pretext has been submitted for NATO to annihilate the Russian backed and supplied terrorists in Eastern Ukraine."

And yet again you come up with a totally illegitimate and flawed comparison. Let's see:

- in Ukraine we have an illegitimate government that seized power in a western-sponsored coup. In all legal terms it's illegitimate and can claim absolutely nothing. In Syria, we have a regular, elected government attacked by a bunch of foreign-sponsored terrorists. That's the exact opposite.

- there are no "terrorists" in eastern Ukraine whatsoever. Those people are natives, fighting for their legitimate, constitutional rights, that have been trampled on by the illegitimate government, full of foreigners to boot (including criminals like a certain Saakashvili, american bankers like Yaresko, nazi "volunteer" hordes and what have you). They just reject an illegitimate puppet government that's trying to kill them, which is perfectly fine.

- people of eastern Ukraine have a legitimate right to independence, according to the UN-charter. Foreign mercenaries in Syria have no rights whatsoever, being that they're simple terrorists and non-natives for the most part.

Basically, you're claiming that two totally opposite things are "equal". It certainly does NOT work like that, that's a definition of fraudulent nonsense, mildly said. Read the laws and charters of each country and the UN, that might give you a bit of clarity.

Posted by: zedz | Oct 16, 2015 4:43:41 AM | 74

zedz @74 said: in Ukraine we have an illegitimate government that seized power in a western-sponsored coup.

Nonsense. I will grant you that it is an illegitimate government replacing another illegitimate government by hook or crook — the only way Ukraine has ever known. By your standards, the Assad government is also illegitimate because Syria and its governance, and this applies to the entire Middle East as well, is not a natural, organic form and structure but rather it was foisted upon the Arab bedouins by the meddling, colonialist British just like The West, and the Soviets before, have done in Ukraine. Time is of no concern and irrelevant to the comparison. The Middle East, the way The British structured it, is an abomination and a misfit for the Arab people and their way of life for thousands of years. It's the reason conflict is so easy to set off in this region of the world. The structure is unnatural and in a constant state of entropy in its pursuit of its humble past and origins.

Now Was That, Then Is This

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Oct 16, 2015 6:38:31 AM | 75

"In a Corporate State no one but a stooge will stand as President. No matter whether in charge is a bubba from Arkansas, a sham cowboy, a sissy black, or a warmongering harebrained bitch: a stooge bears no responsibility."

I couldn't agree more — and in a quasi Corporate State, no one but a ruthless dictator will stand as President. No matter whether in charge is Franco, Pinochet, Mussolini or the cottage cheese devouring Putin; the cowardly thug is beyond reproach.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Oct 16, 2015 6:45:32 AM | 76

It's a sad day to be a Russian with a president such as we have. So disappointed about how many Russians do not choose to educate themselves and blindly follow such a man. As a Veteran myself and coming from a long line of military family members and friends, it's sad to see how easy it is for people in position and power to gamble with the lives of so many. It is also sad that as a Russian I have to search out alternative news sources to find out the truth because we are fed lies by our "elected" officials. Thank you for your site and contribution Cold and thank you for your thoughts and opinions. I may not agree with everything, however it is liberating to know the truth and understand a worldview perspective. Also sad that I have to sign anonymous because we Russians live in fear of our own government.

Posted by: anonymous | Oct 16, 2015 6:53:29 AM | 77

@57
When they tapped into all the telcom switches and put Nacchio, president of Qwest in jail for trying to stand up to them, one could tell which way the wind was blowing.......so to speak.

No, this had been going on for decades before this. The tech bubble around 2000 was embraced by the government and sold to the public even though the number of applications that used that kind of bandwidth weren't there yet. It took years to actually use that capacity but even today there is a lot of dark fiber that's unused.
By concentrating voice and data it became easy to eavesdrop and with large data centers it also became easy to store virtually everything.
Then came Snowden's revelations and everybody who didn't know suddenly knew.

Posted by: anon48 | Oct 16, 2015 8:42:17 AM | 78

Penelope posts:

In a Corporate State no one but a stooge will stand as President. No matter whether in charge is a bubba from Arkansas, a sham cowboy, a sissy black, or a warmongering harebrained bitch: a stooge bears no responsibility

yeah, and even more so in a stupid Corporate state. apparently, most folks can digest the idea that 'we gotta fight 'em over there so we don't have to fight 'em over here' much more easily than the idea that their overlords are actually a bunch of genocidal maniacs robbing us all blind and playing us all for fools notwithstanding the reams of evidence staring them in the face which indicate the contrary. the fact that the 'respectable' intellectual world also dithers on the stupid side of the great glaring hypocrisy is probably due to the same weak linkage. and expediency, of course

Posted by: john | Oct 16, 2015 8:54:18 AM | 79

b

Maybe this site needs some tools to verify ip addresses of posters. Even my home systems use Wireshark and Riverbed tools for monitoring external traffic.

Posted by: anon48 | Oct 16, 2015 9:14:13 AM | 80

OMG, Brzezinski twitters...

https://twitter.com/zbig?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

Posted by: shadyl | Oct 16, 2015 9:14:19 AM | 81

er...'reams of evidence staring them in the face.' period

Posted by: john | Oct 16, 2015 9:16:11 AM | 82

Wow @psychohistorian, I had no clue it was BEFORE 9/11....was this part of Cheney's anti-terror agenda??

A CEO who resisted NSA spying is out of prison. And he feels ‘vindicated’ by Snowden leaks.


And according to his timeline, in February 2001 — some six months before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks — he was approached by the NSA and asked to spy on customers during a meeting he thought was about a different contract. He reportedly refused because his lawyers believed such an action would be illegal and the NSA wouldn't go through the FISA Court. And then, he says, unrelated government contracts started to disappear.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/09/30/a-ceo-who-resisted-nsa-spying-is-out-of-prison-and-he-feels-vindicated-by-snowden-leaks/

Sometimes I think ignorance is bliss.

Posted by: shadyl | Oct 16, 2015 9:22:53 AM | 83

Russia 'reducing air strikes against Syrian rebels' as intervention fails

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11934564/Russia-reducing-air-strikes-against-Syrian-rebels-as-intervention-fails.html

Posted by: Louis Proyect | Oct 16, 2015 9:57:50 AM | 84

Anon 78:

Let me guess, you are sitting in one of the "Trolling For Shekels" call centre´s in down town Tel Aviv. You are not exactly Russian but rather originally a tribal Lithuanian/Polish expat that hates anything that smells, breath and walks like a Russian, right?

Right.

Posted by: Hoo | Oct 16, 2015 10:35:35 AM | 85

And yes, I consider Israel part of the Middle East and an abomination foisted upon the desert dwellers by the dastardly British. Israel is as tenuous as all the rest, especially considering imminent resource restrictions in the decades to come.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Oct 16, 2015 11:20:08 AM | 86

@86 Russia reducing airstrikes in order to spare Assad's troops who are moving in on the ground FTFY.

BTW Is this not you from a couple of years back?

http://louisproyect.org/2013/12/20/jew-baiting-okay-at-moon-of-alabama-but-not-me/

"I very rarely check in on Moon of Alabama..."

Posted by: ruralito | Oct 16, 2015 11:53:15 AM | 87

@71 laguerre @73 okie.. thanks.. i thought it might be a tow missile that failed to explode..

Posted by: james | Oct 16, 2015 12:16:21 PM | 88

No moral leg to stand on here for USSA. Period.

@86 - Big F*cking Deal. Probably running out of targets. Are you one of the terrorist cheerleaders? The pro-nihilist AmeriKano from mommy's basement? Only idiotic USSA/Hebrew trolls and turnip farmers are against the Russians acting decisively against these animals.
TPTB got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and are left spinning and rationalizing and avg. AmeriKans will not get too bothered about dead ISIS scum...it's funny, I talk to some of the real simple jingos just to gauge the MSM propaganda and they are also at a loss for words, mumbling about "Putin bad" and, "We shouldn't be there, let the Russians have that hellhole." Some especially dim ones believe the Russian-Iranian alliance will have grave consequences for AmeriKa as well...even as they prepare to wipe out the AmeriKan enemy ISIS...smh
I have to laugh because ISIS "bad" since Sept. 2014 and Putin "bad" before that, now Russia is killing them and making Pindostan look as stupid and as fake as I had always known.
Vindication - if only we could bottle it somehow.

Posted by: farflungstar | Oct 16, 2015 12:25:31 PM | 89

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34553148
Syrian government forces backed by Russian air strikes have launched a fresh offensive against rebels south of the country's second city, Aleppo.
~~~
The Iran-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah said the Syrian army was carrying out a "broad military operation" across a 10-mile (16km) front south of Aleppo.

"This is the promised battle," a Syrian military source told Reuters news agency.

"The main core is the Syrian army", the source said, but added that hundreds of fighters from Iran and Hezbollah were taking part.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 16, 2015 1:05:08 PM | 90

@all - blocked "Cold N. Holefield" for sock puppetry as in "Posted by: anonymous | Oct 16, 2015 6:53:29 AM | 78" and in other earlier cases

Posted by: b | Oct 16, 2015 1:17:18 PM | 91

That was some first order, truly nauseating and pathetic sock puppetry. Yikes!

Posted by: fast freddy | Oct 16, 2015 1:22:29 PM | 92

Russia plus its allies (which is not the usual type of ‘coalition’ that the US likes to display in media, where 90% is US and the other 10% of particpants are coerced hangers-on trying to keep a low profile - see Afgh., Iraq) will wipe out IS.

Then, the question of the next step comes up.

There will be some political meets, UN involvment perhaps, etc. The Saker (I’m no fan) but it's a good paragraph:

.... "My personal feeling is that IF the Syrian army is really successful and, for example, manages to free Aleppo (which is currently encircled) then the “friends of Syria” will immediately ask for a “peace conference” à la Minsk-1 and Minsk-2 to save al-Qaeda/ISIS from a total defeat.  Remember how the Empire negotiated with the Bosnian Serbs without speaking them?  Or how the Ukronazis are now supposed to speak with the Novorussians, but never do so?  This time around, the AngloZionists will probably try to organize a conference in which they will try to get the Russians to negotiate on behalf of the Syrians or, failing that, have Syrian government delegation which would not include Assad personally.  I sure hope that this time around Russia will not allow such utter nonsense to take place.  In fact, I hope that the Russians launch their OWN peace conference which would invite the Syrian government, of course, but also Iran (and Iraq).  That would be far more productive."

http://thesaker.is/in-the-meantime-in-nazi-occupied-ukraine/

The Russians will then not bow down to the W, and no matter which way, some political arrangement will be worked out, where the Syrians get to vote etc. and some kind of Gvmt. - with Assad (most likely), transitional, or ‘national unity’ tech gov - I expect - will be cobbled together. Russia will not launch its own ‘peace conference’, it will collaborate with all while subtly imposing.

Take it to the bank. Or WW3 and horrendous blow-up.

The excuse will be the potential ‘void / vaccum’ with Assad gone too dangerous, the lesser enemy is a better bet, fighting djihadists and terrorists creates an unfortunate need for allies who are unpalatable, but, baby, that is life, reaall politik.


Posted by: Noirette | Oct 16, 2015 1:28:38 PM | 93

@Louis Proyect@86

Russia 'reducing air strikes against Syrian rebels' as intervention fails

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11934564/Russia-reducing-air-strikes-against-Syrian-rebels-as-intervention-fails.html

This is the second time on this thread someone is telegraphing misinformation with the same link from "The Telegraph." First of all, it would need more than only two weeks, and a more reliable source of info than a UK right-wing rag, to declare a Russian failure in Syria.

The yeast of the misinformation piece states that Russia has reduced the sorties over Syria due to their ineffectiveness, but that is not what we read from other sources, much less the Russians who are showing their unwavering commitment to the war against the takfiris. What The Telegraph piece misses is that Russians don't see airstrikes as the fundamental piece of the war (see below), furthermore, a massive ground operation is kicking-off as we speak, which means a more careful coordination between ground and air forces.

FYI.

Russian Colonel-General Andrey Kartapolov, head of the Main Operations Directorate of the Russian General Staff, in a must-read interview to Komsomolskaya Pravda, addressed the Syrian issue from a political-military perspective. It shows the Russians have complete control over their environment, and full understanding of the enemies they confront.

From RT News.

Russian Navy can strike ISIS positions in Syria anytime – general

Russia can strike positions of Islamic State militants in Syria from its ships based in the Mediterranean Sea anytime should the command decide to do so, a senior Russian general said.

Colonel General Andrey Kartapolov said the Russian warships in the Mediterranean can “definitely” be used to deliver strikes in Syria the way the Russian fleet in the Caspian Sea was already used.

“Our naval group in the Mediterranean is mostly used for supplying goals. But to ensure that our supply lines are not disrobed, we have a group of warships there too. This group also provides antiaircraft protection four our base [in Tartus],” he said in an interview to Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper published on Friday.

General Kartapolov heads Operations in the Russian general staff. He was personally supervising the creation of the so-called coordination center in Baghdad, which Russia, Syria, Iraq and Iran created to share intelligence on terrorist forces and coordinate their war effort. The center plays a big part in fighting the terrorist group Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS or ISIL), the general told the newspaper.

“We realized that doing what the US-led coalition does and only bombing ISIL targets from the air would not allow defeating it. It requires doing things on the ground. The only force [in Syria] that can fight on the ground is the Syrian government army,” he said. “We also had to join the forces of the nations and forces fighting ISIL on the ground to coordinate our effort.” *

He said the US was invited to take part in the center's work, but ignored it, apparently because of hurt pride.

“They see it humiliating to admit that they can't reach the goal they announced a year ago without Russia. They don't want anyone to say they have any dealings with [Syrian President Bashar] Assad, whom they have been demonizing for years. And they don't appear to have the necessary intelligence on ISIL targets, as evidenced by the poor results of their airstrikes,”Kartapolov suggested.

The general said US airstrikes actually hurt the Syrian government more than IS, which probably explains why the militants expanded their territory in Syria over the year.

“The US-led coalition is targeting ISIL infrastructure. Bridges, tunnels, power stations, water pumps. This didn't hurt ISIL much, but made life harder for President Assad's troops. In fact they hurt the military capabilities of the Syrian Army,” he said.

“The government forces retreated because their supplies were inadequate, they didn't have enough water, food or heating. ISIL was buying supplies in neighboring countries or were receiving deliveries from certain organizations and nations, which we shall not name. Hence the result.”

Kartapolov said the capabilities of IS should not be underestimated, since they have both skills and equipment to do serious damage on the battlefield.

“ISIL has many former officers of Saddam Hussein's army. They had to retire after the Americans defeated and occupied Iraq. They may be called patriots fighting against this. It was a bad choice to join ISIL, but that's their choice,” he explained. “Those officers have good skills and knowledge, they are able to organize and train people. So certain units there are pretty good.

“Plus, they captured plenty of weapons from the Iraqi Army, which our American partners had supplied. They have Abrams M1 tanks, APCs, artillery and lots of other stuff. Don't imagine that ISIL are a bunch of common bandits, ruffians with rifles and long daggers that known only how to behead people. They know how to do war.”

Nevertheless Russia's involvement in the Syrian conflict has turned the tide and forced IS to change its tactics, Kartapolov said.

“The terrorists are abandoning their positions, retreating and trying to hide in areas with difficult terrain, in caves and mountains. They are also taking cover in mosques and hospitals. We demonstrated footage showing how they do that. They are also trying to mix with civilians,” he said.

“Certainly, this inspires the government forces, which are now on the offensive. One Syrian general told us that what our warplanes do made Syrian children smile again,” he added.

The general said that the situation may further change of so-called moderate rebels in Syria agree to join forces with the Assad army and fight alongside them against the jihadists.

“We are ready to work with them. Let them come to Baghdad and become part of the coordination committee,” he said. Kartapolov however is skeptical about the actual strength of the moderate rebel forces in Syria, saying that many groups claiming to be them are actually common criminals.

“Those folks rob, loot and fight for turf. When they need foreign money, they declare that they are fighting against the Assad regime. But once they get the money they use it as they please. You know, we asked – show us who exactly the moderate opposition are,” he explained.

Kartapolov said the Russian military is capable of extending the Syrian operation to Iraq, but that would require an official invitation from Baghdad to do so and a positive decision by the Russian government. He said in the long run Russia may end up having one massive military base in Syria, which would be shared by the Navy, the Air Forces and the Ground Forces.

*Bolds are mine.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 16, 2015 1:30:39 PM | 94

Latest from CCTV (30 mins ago). Russia has destroyed 380 ter'rist targets in "more than 600" sorties in Syria since Sept 30.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 16, 2015 3:20:59 PM | 95

@94 lone wolf.. lip is another dipstick of the first order.. not worth responding to him at length especially..anyone who quotes a shitty article like that is plainly messaging they are brain dead..

Posted by: james | Oct 16, 2015 3:31:50 PM | 96

8

RU and zKSA are oil cartels, with IL joining the cartel party through their theft of Golan Heights oil fields, and Gaza offshore natural gas, as mutual oil and banking and arms dealing trading partners.

26% of Israelis, the so-called 'White Israeli' super-minority that controls the politico-economic sphere, are former Soviet eastern block immigrants running the New Israeli Free Trade Zone with RU. First world leader to rush to Mockba after the RU counter-attack began was ... Netanyahu.

Just one big happy crime family, with Egyptian petro-junta joining the Yemen petro-junta in crushing the Shi'ia rebellion, and poor Erdogan trying desparately to hold onto his Kurdish frontier with Syria, panicking his EU partners into 'action' with his hordes of evicted refugees from Syria, where Old Soviet oligarchs once did their banking, the RU money laundering capital, ... until Iceland.

One ring to bind them, and ZiMF to rule them all.

Follow the oil, follow the arms deals, follow the money launderers. Everything else is smoke on the water, a magician's 'shiney object'.

Oh, look, a Jama’atu Ahlis Sunna Lidda’awati wal-Jihadi!!!!

Posted by: Chipnik | Oct 16, 2015 7:39:10 PM | 97

93

As much as I admire your sophistry, let's look at the Soviet war in Afghanistan, where Soviet air power successfully destroyed the Afghan resistance in the featureless desert south, but were then defeated in the mountainous north by 25,000 odd bearded hillbillies equipped with Stingers supplied by USArya, no doubt through the usual middlemen.

So much for Putin's effort to, as you say, 'wipe out IS', which will never happen, ...and then what happened in Afghanistan again? Oh, yeah, the Takfiri Taliban Wahhabists flooded in from the south and overthrew Kabul, the same Takfiri Wahhabists that will infiltrate and overwhelm Allepo after Putin does his own thing, in stabilizing Assad in Damascus as his Personal Karzai mob boss, protecting the base in Tartus and the money-laundering banks, while abandoning a Balkanized US-IL-zKSA Syrian state, ... as was the Yinon Plan ever since 1995.

Hope is Chains, baby.

Posted by: Chipnik | Oct 16, 2015 8:02:30 PM | 98

75

Yes, Assad is Poroshenko within a long enough time frame, just another International banking cartel crime boss, but from there your analogy falls apart, the Ukraine resistance are the Ukrainian people (Russian minority) while the Syrian resistance are the Syrian people (Sunni majority), and unlike the US-IL sponsored Kiev Junta, Assad is kept in power by the RU.

As zedz points out, these two juntas are nothing like each other. One is Junta West, one is Junta East. Understand? West ... East. One is always in the news, one is never in the news. You see?

One is US-backed junk bond monetary privatization of all national resources, the neoliberal frontier, the other is RU-backed privatization by Baathist tyranny, the neoconservative frontier.

Good cop, bad cop. What don't you understand? ♡ ASSAD ¤ POROSHENKO.

No similarity there at all.

Posted by: Chipnik | Oct 16, 2015 8:15:47 PM | 99

Posted by: Chipnik | Oct 16, 2015 8:15:47 PM | 99

Is there a new definition of privatisation? Or has there always been more than one definition? And if so then how many, approximately?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 17, 2015 12:24:19 AM | 100

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