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October 25, 2015
Open Thread 2015-39
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Under the Russian umbrella of air protection, Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah showed up in person to the celebrations of Ashura in Beirut. The IAF doesn’t own Lebanon skies anymore, the game has new rules.
Sayyed Nasrallah: We Shall Never Abandon this Battle, We will Triumph
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 25 2015 15:53 utc | 1 According to CCTV, a Russian Defense honcho has announced Russia’s intention to build a military installation on the ‘disputed’ Kuril Islands (to stir up the ‘peaceful’ Japanese). Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 25 2015 15:59 utc | 2 M. K. Bhadrakumar was invited to participate in the recent Valdai Club conference in Sochi, gathered under the topic “Societies between War and Peace: Overcoming the Logic of Conflict in Tomorrow’s World.” Bhadrakumar’s talk was titled “Diplomacy in the 21st Century: Can it prevent wars? Is another golden age of diplomacy possible?” Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 25 2015 16:26 utc | 4 i thought this was a good article highlighting how the usa/nato were hoping to use ISIS to get rid of assad.. according to the poster ‘the twisted genius’ at ssr “They cut the bridge over the Euphrates at Deir ez-Zor after recon showed that IS was moving men and equipment from Iraq to Syria over that bridge.” that would make moving ISIS from iraq to deeper into syria more difficult. it sounds as though russia is intent on putting a stop to ISIS, something i wish i could have said about the usa/nato, but it was not to be.. there actions have been about regime change as opposed to getting rid of ISIS all along.. Posted by: james | Oct 25 2015 16:30 utc | 5 Right now YouTube is killing the dream of independent journalism on YouTube. Please help by sharing the link to this petition with your readers because I think everyone will see that we are all in the same boat with this policy change: PETITON Posted by: Tom Murphy | Oct 25 2015 16:34 utc | 6 @4 Lone Wolf, oh yum, thanks for posting that. Obviously, I think Hillary’s Doctrine has never been about diplomacy, imo. It’s been about regime change from the beginning using the CIA for undercover dirty work, including setting up non-profits promoting human rights and free speech, etc. Interesting that at a time when our diplomatic efforts have been exposed, that Bhadrakumar proposes the question below:
What ever happen to “balance of power”? Posted by: shadyl | Oct 25 2015 16:54 utc | 7 partly cultural etc. From the Balkanist net. Posted by: Noirette | Oct 25 2015 17:10 utc | 8 It seems the US has been backing Islamic state all along. “As the ISIL commanders captured in Iraqi popular forces’ recent military operations have confessed, the US supports for the terrorist groups are not limited to the dispatch of logistical support,” Al-Hosseini told FNA on Sunday. Posted by: harry law | Oct 25 2015 17:20 utc | 9 Thank you, Lone Wolf @ 4. That was a delightful piece – the video made me feel warm all over. I’m sure I shall enjoy bhadrakumar’s talk; he gives a hint of it in the short essay you link to: Putin’s ‘fourth way’ of diplomacy. Posted by: juliania | Oct 25 2015 17:23 utc | 10 @6 Posted by: RussianBoy | Oct 25 2015 17:40 utc | 11 German Chancellor Angela Merkel may be about to resign Posted by: RussianBoy | Oct 25 2015 17:52 utc | 12 This:
Posted by: Sasha | Oct 25 2015 17:56 utc | 13 Tee hee Posted by: Yul | Oct 25 2015 18:35 utc | 15 To denigrate an entire nation by ascribing to its people the characteristics of the gangster oligarchs — the characteristics of a primitive illuminati cult obsessed with reducing all of humanity to subservience– surely you can see that this counters your own interests. Does it make sense to press down the American people with undeserved guilt at precisely the moment when their strength is most needed for our survival? From somewhere among the American people must come the knowledge, the resolve and the certainty to defeat the militarized arm of an international cabal that is reversing all of human civilization. To ascribe to the entire American people fear & timidity, or greed, or the desire to rule the world, or complicity in events which occurred hundreds of years before they were born, or the desire for nuclear war, is unjust. Posted by: Penelope | Oct 25 2015 18:57 utc | 16 @11 Well, I thought the precedent of years of the original policy indicated they were going to give fair treatment to independent journalists. Posted by: Tom Murphy | Oct 25 2015 19:12 utc | 17 As comments 1 and 2 seem to get, Putin is becoming the hegemonic presence in Syria, at least, and possibly Lebanon as well. Or at least he’s giving that very strong impression to the rebels. This long-term change means the sleaze, the semi-mercenaries, the guys that joined the Muslim Bro’hood cuz they saw it as a good ‘career’ move, all those bourgeois layers will quickly point their ‘me me me’ begging bowls at Moscow. Not anymore at the US and its local cop Israel. Posted by: fairleft | Oct 25 2015 19:16 utc | 18 @ Noirette | Oct 25, 2015 1:10:31 PM | 8 Posted by: blues | Oct 25 2015 19:33 utc | 20 @18 Talking of Murdoch…. Posted by: dh | Oct 25 2015 19:46 utc | 21 Just noticed something: in images.google you used to be able to search for pics ot Assad addressing his parliament, with shots of the assembly wherein were women, blacks, whites, in-betweens, men in suits, men in tribal robes. Now all you get is shots of Assad gesturing to somebody. Or maybe I’m using the wrong search terms: assad+parliament+speech? Posted by: ruralito | Oct 25 2015 20:27 utc | 22
It happened at a time when polls were showing the Erdogan might lose the upcoming election. I think Madsen sorta lost the plot. Erdogan won the election exactly because of the outrage about the Mavi Marmara. Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 25 2015 20:33 utc | 23 I want to provide two links from ZH and talk about how they are related. Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 25 2015 20:43 utc | 24 Propaganda Alert. Tonight, 60 Minutes, the CBS “News Magazine” will have a segment about how well the Outlaw Empire is fighting Daesh. I’ve better things to do, but I tought I’d make the announcement. Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2015 20:47 utc | 25 following @22 Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 25 2015 21:08 utc | 26 @ruralito #21 Posted by: Jack Smith | Oct 25 2015 21:10 utc | 27 @ okie farmer | Oct 25, 2015 4:33:10 PM | 22 Posted by: blues | Oct 25 2015 21:22 utc | 28 Penelope says: Posted by: john | Oct 25 2015 21:22 utc | 29 Erdogan was Prime Minster for 11 years before he was elected Prez. Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 25 2015 21:42 utc | 30 http://warmonitor.net/news/2015/10/24/reports-israeli-jets-spotted-over-syria/ Posted by: Plenue | Oct 25 2015 21:45 utc | 31 One Happy Kalibr Family
This marketing video of the export version of the Kalibr, Club K, shows how the missile works, from deployment to targeting acquisition to launch to target approach to the kill. Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 25 2015 21:45 utc | 32 I was horrified to see that a troll stole my ‘pen name’ in the past 24 hours, and used it to drop F bombs on users of this website. That poster was not me. Posted by: BiffaBacon | Oct 25 2015 21:53 utc | 33 @ blues | Oct 25, 2015 3:33:13 PM | 19
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Posted by: MRW | Oct 25 2015 23:04 utc | 34 Bye bye Merkel!! Her resignation looks to be quite likely in the next two weeks Posted by: RussianBoy | Oct 25 2015 23:05 utc | 35 @ MRW | Oct 25, 2015 7:04:36 PM | 33 Posted by: blues | Oct 25 2015 23:24 utc | 36 Thanks, blues. Somehow the ending blockquote tag got included in my link. Yours is nice and clean. Posted by: MRW | Oct 25 2015 23:53 utc | 37 Fact check at aisle 19 Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 26 2015 0:23 utc | 40 @26, JS thanks. I wish duckduckgo had a search-in-a-certain-time function. Maybe it does. I couldn’t find it. Posted by: ruralito | Oct 26 2015 0:45 utc | 41 Nobody’s talking about the debt limit deadline in Washington. Congress has till November 3 to raise it. Boehner says he hasn’t got the votes for a clean, simple increase. Ryan hasn’t said anything about it yet. He will be elected on Thursday as speaker – just days before the hour of judgment. Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 26 2015 0:47 utc | 42 @ rufus magister | Oct 25, 2015 8:23:22 PM | 38 Posted by: blues | Oct 26 2015 1:00 utc | 43 And please stop calling people “conspiracy theorists” when what they actually are is disinformation resisters. Posted by: blues | Oct 26 2015 1:09 utc | 44 @ Anonymous | Oct 25, 2015 8:47:42 PM | 40
Oh, come on, you’re making it sound like this would be a bad thing. Posted by: PhilK | Oct 26 2015 1:27 utc | 45 @ PhilK | Oct 25, 2015 9:27:22 PM | 43 Posted by: PhilK | Oct 26 2015 1:31 utc | 46 @ruralito #39 Posted by: Jack Smith | Oct 26 2015 1:48 utc | 47 @44 Posted by: Massinissa | Oct 26 2015 1:49 utc | 48 @shadyl@7
The Rise and Decline of the American “Empire” Power and Its Limits in Comparative Perspective
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Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 26 2015 2:08 utc | 49 @3 Posted by: curiouser | Oct 26 2015 2:20 utc | 50 @ruralito #39 Posted by: Jack Smith | Oct 26 2015 2:31 utc | 51 blues at 41 — Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 26 2015 2:37 utc | 52 LW @ 31: Thanks for the Club K missile video. Highly informative. Posted by: ben | Oct 26 2015 2:47 utc | 53 Here is lots more proof out of Iraq how the US is supporting ISIL, not Posted by: curious | Oct 26 2015 3:00 utc | 54 @ rufus magister | Oct 25, 2015 10:37:10 PM | Posted by: blues | Oct 26 2015 3:47 utc | 55 Glen Ford on the BLM movement sucking up to HRC: Posted by: ben | Oct 26 2015 3:59 utc | 56 The despicable State of Bernie Sanders, when he is out-moralised and shown a more honest geopolitical evaluation by Donald Trump( !!!!)! on the Middle East re. Iraq, Libya in Syria. Posted by: tom | Oct 26 2015 4:37 utc | 57 Thanks, Lone Wolf @ 47 – I did the same and got to that link finally myself – agree with you on the Valdai site – it looks great, but hard to find more than a few video offerings and some concluding reports. I did go back to Bhadrakumar’s blog, and he has an entry there describing the Prime Minister of Iran’s visit to Putin and what they talked about in some detail. That was fascinating. Posted by: juliania | Oct 26 2015 4:38 utc | 58 ben @54: Great stuff from Glen Ford. Thanks for the link. Posted by: fairleft | Oct 26 2015 4:49 utc | 59 in re 53 Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 26 2015 4:50 utc | 60 @55 tom Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 26 2015 5:12 utc | 61 @ rufus magister | Oct 26, 2015 12:50:38 AM | Posted by: blues | Oct 26 2015 5:28 utc | 62 Poland Ousts Government as Law & Justice Gains Historic Majority. Law and Justice is a conservative party from the identity politics perspective, which is the only perspective the mainstream ‘liberal’ media looks at politics with. But, then again, the banks are unhappy which is always a good thing from a left perspective, and look at this (from the first link):
Of course the financial industry pundits all think she’ll back out on her promises to tax the banks. Politicians often do, so we’ll see. Posted by: fairleft | Oct 26 2015 6:01 utc | 64 Mainstream media comment of the year recently posted at the Guardian:
Posted by: fairleft | Oct 26 2015 8:03 utc | 65 @Penelope #15, Posted by: ralphieboy | Oct 26 2015 8:33 utc | 66 Lone Wolf @47 Can I add to your views that Obama back in 2011 when addressing the 93rd annual conference of the American Legion said “the US never lost a major battle in Vietnam”. The late Col Harry G Summers had this to say.. Before his death in 1999, Summers liked to tell about a meeting he had with a North Vietnamese colonel named Tu while he was with a delegation visiting Hanoi in 1975. At one point, Summers told Tu, “You know, you never defeated us on the battlefield.” Tu paused for a moment, then replied, “That may be so. But it is also irrelevant.http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/05/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-us-never-lost-major-battle-vietn/ Stephen Lendman tells it as it is in his excellent piece today on his blog. A Must read.http://sjlendman.blogspot.co.uk/ Posted by: harry law | Oct 26 2015 9:18 utc | 67 John ‘the singing canary’ McCain, Media has reported in October that Syrian rebels asked Washington for Stinger missiles to use them against Russia’s military jets. Posted by: harry law | Oct 26 2015 9:37 utc | 68 @15 p @64 rb Posted by: jfl | Oct 26 2015 11:10 utc | 69 @66 hl Posted by: jfl | Oct 26 2015 11:14 utc | 70 Russia acts in Syria and the West is taken by surprise. Posted by: From The Hague | Oct 26 2015 11:57 utc | 71 @69 fth Posted by: jfl | Oct 26 2015 12:27 utc | 72 69@ From The Hague Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 26 2015 13:10 utc | 73 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p004t1s0/microsite Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 26 2015 13:20 utc | 74 Interesting short debate on breaking up big banks, between Bill Black, and Leo Panitch, two economists. Posted by: ben | Oct 26 2015 13:46 utc | 75 PB@71 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Oct 26 2015 15:09 utc | 76 Piotr Berman@71 Posted by: juliania | Oct 26 2015 15:20 utc | 77 Yes, wayoutwest, al Nusra and their buddies did “cut off the SAA supply route to Aleppo” temporarily, but ask yourself “why”? Posted by: plantman | Oct 26 2015 15:28 utc | 78 Ben@73 Posted by: juliania | Oct 26 2015 15:50 utc | 79 Yes WoW at 74, that’s why KSA and USA are screaming at the top of their lungs: because Russia is loosing, and they are very sad about that. Posted by: Lysander | Oct 26 2015 16:07 utc | 80 P@76 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Oct 26 2015 16:18 utc | 81 This article encloses a letter from an organic farmer in India that eloquently states the advantages of ‘first do no harm’ in farming practice: Posted by: juliania | Oct 26 2015 16:28 utc | 82 another day… more stupid wow comments.. the tows are from the usa – you ought to be proud of that wow! better hope they don’t run out, or they’re f*k’d… Posted by: james | Oct 26 2015 16:30 utc | 83 Almost impossible to believe: Posted by: Sufi | Oct 26 2015 16:35 utc | 84 Down the same thread linked @63, a couple more great comments by krissywilson:
Posted by: fairleft | Oct 26 2015 16:37 utc | 85 Wayoutwest… Posted by: plantman | Oct 26 2015 16:38 utc | 86 Aparently, IS briefly interrupted the traffic on Khalmasser road, but this is not a “noose”. So far, the only impressive gains of IS are against the rebels. Rebels seems to be clobbered in South Aleppo by SAA, and retreated a bit in West Aleppo, in North Aleppo they lost to IS, in East Aleppo there is a zigzag of advances of SAA and IS. The highway to Aleppo is apparently secured after a day of interruption. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 26 2015 16:51 utc | 87 Sufi@82. All those Investors will be guilty of stealing the Natural Resources of the Syrian people if that oil is extracted and sold.Here is UNSC Resolution 497[December 17th 1981], nothing has changed. Posted by: harry law | Oct 26 2015 16:53 utc | 88 @86 Posted by: Sufi | Oct 26 2015 17:06 utc | 89 L@78 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Oct 26 2015 17:08 utc | 90 The Saudis are in the Zionist hip pocket,Their adventure in Yemen will continue until they collapse within,or realize their error.Fools for empire.The MSM protects the Saudis like a mother.At least since 9-11-01. Posted by: dahoit | Oct 26 2015 17:21 utc | 91 Re Shillary;As Bob Hope once quipped,it’s nice to see the new faces on the old faces here tonight.(Oscars) Posted by: dahoit | Oct 26 2015 17:30 utc | 92 Wayoutwest says: Posted by: john | Oct 26 2015 18:01 utc | 93 This is an insightful conversation about the true state of sectarianism in the middle east & how the memory of a non-sectarian time is being erased. It’s about 20 minutes long; I didn’t time it. http://www.telesurtv.net/el-canal/senal-en-vivo in English. Posted by: Penelope | Oct 26 2015 18:13 utc | 94 nice piece by Tony Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 26 2015 18:14 utc | 95 @59 physohisorian. Posted by: tom | Oct 26 2015 18:50 utc | 96 Anti-Democratic presidential terrorist of Prtugal – who should be arrested and imprisoned for violation of fundamental human principles – denies Portugal election results where the “left” wins power. Posted by: tom | Oct 26 2015 18:53 utc | 97 Brief cost of US $$ down rabbit hole on our 2 biggest (and ongoing) stupidities: And if there are no current laws for arresting a president like the Portuguese shit head above, then let the people implement their own version of a ‘house arrest’, so the people can isolate power abusers from power, who’s criminal class warfare agenda is to improvrish, cause depredations and to be dominated by the rich/elite. Posted by: tom | Oct 26 2015 19:01 utc | 99 Wayoutwest #76, Posted by: citizen X | Oct 26 2015 19:53 utc | 100 |
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