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October 25, 2015

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Under the Russian umbrella of air protection, Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah showed up in person to the celebrations of Ashura in Beirut. The IAF doesn't own Lebanon skies anymore, the game has new rules.

S.Nasrallah to Israel, US, Takfiris & Al Saud: We’re People of Jihad, Resistance

Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah appeared in person at the end of Ashura procession in Beirut’s Dahiyeh on Saturday vowing to win the battle against Israel, the US, Takfiris and Al Saud, reminding them that ‘we are the supporters of Imam Hussein, we are the people of Jihad and resistance.’

“We will never be humiliated; we are the people of Jihad and resistance. We won’t be moved by Israeli or Takfiri threats. We’ll work day and night for the dignity of all our people,” Sayyed Nasrallah said on Ashoura Day, paying condolences to all people on the martyrdom of Imam Hussein saying: We’ll keep on crying blood for Imam Hussein instead of tears.

His eminence reiterated support to the Palestinian cause, saying: “On behalf of the crowds we renew our support to the Palestinian people in their resistance and uprising, and we call upon all the free world to support the Palestinian people in their defending of the holy sites and legitimate rights [...]”

[...] Concerning the Iraqi issue, Sayyed Nasrallah called on Iraqis not to bet on the Americans or any other deceiver in this world, saying, “We look forward to the victory of the Iraqi people against ISIL. We urge them not to bet on the US or the West. You have the enough courage to win against them all in the name of Imam Hussein (AS).”

On the Saudi tyranny, Sayyed Nasrallah condemned the violations committed by Saudi Arabia against sanctities in Yemen, and the massacres committed by the Al Saud in front of all the world [...]

[...] Sayyed Nasrallah addressed local Lebanese issues, calling on the political parties to find solutions to the country's crises and not to wait for regional developments. “All political forces should cooperate to find a solution to the lingering crises, away from obstinacy. We need to deal in a serious manner with the dialogue because we have no other alternative,” he said.

“You’ve waited for the finalization of Iran's nuclear agreement thinking that Iran will abandon us in the end, but it has not. You waited for the defeat of the Syrian government but it didn't and will not” [...]

Sayyed Nasrallah: We Shall Never Abandon this Battle, We will Triumph

[...] Sayyed Nasrallah assured in his speech that the American domination project did not allow countries like Egypt, Pakistan, or others to become powerful, reassuring that "America is not ruled by Human Rights Organization, but by owners of large oil and arms companies..." in indication that all it wanted was to control the region and use it as their marketplace.

In this context, Sayyed Nasrallah considered that "Israel is the implementation tool in the Western domination project on our region, and this is why they are protecting it," and stressed that "Israel is a real American tool and the Palestinian people, as well as the people of the region on top of which are the Lebanese who suffered from Israeli occupation and massacres carry the burdens of this American domination project."

His eminence noted that everything America said about democracy, elections, and human rights were false claims which they sought to mislead with, and added that the worst dictatorships in the region, and the worst corrupt regimes which violated human rights and denounced the constitution and elections were supported by America.

In parallel, he said that "whenever America wanted to attack, it made up lies and promoted them," referring here to the problem with Iran which "only wanted to be a free and independent state that owned its goods and preserved the dignity of its people... however, this was prohibited by the Americans, who started claiming that Iran was building a nuclear weapon, and forced the UN to put pressure on the Islamic Republic and impose sanctions on it."

On the Syrian crisis, Sayyed Nasrallah stated that the war was led by Washington using regional tools that support terrorism. He also considered that the war was not for the sake of democracy and reforms but for subjecting those who rebelled against America.

"After the so called 'Arab Spring' America waged a new war, a war on everyone who refused to submit to the American domination," he said [...]

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 25 2015 15:53 utc | 1

According to CCTV, a Russian Defense honcho has announced Russia's intention to build a military installation on the 'disputed' Kuril Islands (to stir up the 'peaceful' Japanese).
Russia experiments with Spratly-inspired Chinese humour?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 25 2015 15:59 utc | 2

October 24, 1929: The start of the disaster

Posted by: nmb | Oct 25 2015 16:14 utc | 3

M. K. Bhadrakumar was invited to participate in the recent Valdai Club conference in Sochi, gathered under the topic "Societies between War and Peace: Overcoming the Logic of Conflict in Tomorrow’s World." Bhadrakumar's talk was titled "Diplomacy in the 21st Century: Can it prevent wars? Is another golden age of diplomacy possible?"

The following piece was written on his arrival to Sochi, and it is more of a reflection on war and peace in our times, than the sharp analysis he's well known for.

Putin, pine forests and war and peace

[...] As the Merc which picked me up at Sochi airport tore into the mountains overlooking the Russian Riviera like a hungry beast and entered their hidden crevices through a 90-minute drive on a splendid ‘autobahn’ with breathtaking hairpin bends (I counted 10 and gave up), the expectations began to rise as to the myriad revelations that lurked ahead. Watching the thick forests of pine trees that surround this spa, cut off from habitations by at least a dozen miles, which I can almost touch from the terrace beyond my study table, as dusk descended on the valley last evening, it all dawned on me that I was with Robert Jordan in Ernest Hemingway’s classic war novel For Whom the Bell Tolls. The forest floor is a compelling motif of that novel; it begins and ends with Robert Jordan lying on the brown pine-needled floor of the forest with a beating heart as a ‘volunteer’ with the guerilla fighters in the Spanish Civil War. It is also a novel about the loss of innocence in war and the value of human life — and romantic love as salvation. What a setting Valdai chose to reflect on war and peace!

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 25 2015 16:26 utc | 4

i thought this was a good article highlighting how the usa/nato were hoping to use ISIS to get rid of assad.. according to the poster 'the twisted genius' at ssr "They cut the bridge over the Euphrates at Deir ez-Zor after recon showed that IS was moving men and equipment from Iraq to Syria over that bridge." that would make moving ISIS from iraq to deeper into syria more difficult. it sounds as though russia is intent on putting a stop to ISIS, something i wish i could have said about the usa/nato, but it was not to be.. there actions have been about regime change as opposed to getting rid of ISIS all along..

Posted by: james | Oct 25 2015 16:30 utc | 5

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Posted by: Tom Murphy | Oct 25 2015 16:34 utc | 6

@4 Lone Wolf, oh yum, thanks for posting that. Obviously, I think Hillary's Doctrine has never been about diplomacy, imo. It's been about regime change from the beginning using the CIA for undercover dirty work, including setting up non-profits promoting human rights and free speech, etc. Interesting that at a time when our diplomatic efforts have been exposed, that Bhadrakumar proposes the question below:

“Diplomacy in the 21st Century: Can it prevent wars? Is another golden age of diplomacy possible?”

But you ain’t heard anything yet about what is ‘assertiveness’ about until you get to see Russia’s ‘return’ to the world stage. Is it a good thing to happen? I would think so. Because, Russia’s ‘assertiveness’ is a guarantee of peace. The global strategic balance is hugely important for maintaining peace and only Russia can provide the underpinnings for it. Again, the ground rules of international conduct need to be based on international law and the UN Charter. The international system cannot any longer be dominated by one superpower. Russia’s insistence on such ground rules introduces a much-needed corrective mechanism in the international system today.


What ever happen to "balance of power"?

Posted by: shadyl | Oct 25 2015 16:54 utc | 7

partly cultural etc. From the Balkanist net.

Following the Turkish corruption trail, from central Asia to the Balkans. 2014

Another article same site, The Islamic sex cult supporting Turkey’s PM , 2014, exposes weirdness not usually discussed. Happily perhaps some of the linked vids have turned grey (use one’s imagination.)

Step inside this surreal world where religious piety meets psychedelic softcore porn, led by the world’s foremost Islamic creationist.

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 25 2015 17:10 utc | 8

It seems the US has been backing Islamic state all along. "As the ISIL commanders captured in Iraqi popular forces' recent military operations have confessed, the US supports for the terrorist groups are not limited to the dispatch of logistical support," Al-Hosseini told FNA on Sunday.
He reiterated that the US has provided the ISIL with intelligence about the Iraqi forces' positions and targets. Now we know why those US F16's took so long to deliver to Iraq, and why the US stalled any attacks by Iraqs security forces on cities occupied by IS.

Posted by: harry law | Oct 25 2015 17:20 utc | 9

Thank you, Lone Wolf @ 4. That was a delightful piece - the video made me feel warm all over. I'm sure I shall enjoy bhadrakumar's talk; he gives a hint of it in the short essay you link to: Putin's 'fourth way' of diplomacy.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 25 2015 17:23 utc | 10


You Tube is part of Google group.. What does you expect?

Posted by: RussianBoy | Oct 25 2015 17:40 utc | 11

German Chancellor Angela Merkel may be about to resign

Rumours are circulating around Berlin that German Chancellor Angela Merkel is going to resign from her post due to the atrocious handling of the migrant crisis.

If rumours are true, Good Riddance!

Posted by: RussianBoy | Oct 25 2015 17:52 utc | 12


“The special forces were pulled out of Ukraine and sent to Syria,“ a Russian Ministry of Defense official said, adding that they had been serving in territories in eastern Ukraine held by pro-Russia rebels. The official described them as “akin to a Delta Force,” the U.S. Army’s elite counterterrorism unit.

Posted by: Sasha | Oct 25 2015 17:56 utc | 13


Murdoch CIA Wall Street Journal!! LOL

Posted by: RussianBoy | Oct 25 2015 18:02 utc | 14

Tee hee

Israel officially maintains a neutral stance on the Syrian conflict.

Must be stupid to believe this .
One can bet that that Israeli Arab is working for the IDF and all this huff and puff is a masquerade.

Posted by: Yul | Oct 25 2015 18:35 utc | 15

To denigrate an entire nation by ascribing to its people the characteristics of the gangster oligarchs -- the characteristics of a primitive illuminati cult obsessed with reducing all of humanity to subservience-- surely you can see that this counters your own interests. Does it make sense to press down the American people with undeserved guilt at precisely the moment when their strength is most needed for our survival? From somewhere among the American people must come the knowledge, the resolve and the certainty to defeat the militarized arm of an international cabal that is reversing all of human civilization. To ascribe to the entire American people fear & timidity, or greed, or the desire to rule the world, or complicity in events which occurred hundreds of years before they were born, or the desire for nuclear war, is unjust.

The dream of conquering the known world was acted upon by many Attilas before this one, and the covert banking technology to fund it was invented 500 years ago in Venice. The principality of evil which today burdens the people of the earth is not an outgrowth of normal American society or of any other nation. It is the survivor of mystery schools and secret societies, of cults and the longing after supernatural powers-- and rebellion against the limitations which human nature and existence impose upon us. But it is the banking technology which empowers these pathologies.

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 25 2015 18:57 utc | 16

@11 Well, I thought the precedent of years of the original policy indicated they were going to give fair treatment to independent journalists.

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Posted by: Tom Murphy | Oct 25 2015 19:12 utc | 17

As comments 1 and 2 seem to get, Putin is becoming the hegemonic presence in Syria, at least, and possibly Lebanon as well. Or at least he's giving that very strong impression to the rebels. This long-term change means the sleaze, the semi-mercenaries, the guys that joined the Muslim Bro'hood cuz they saw it as a good 'career' move, all those bourgeois layers will quickly point their 'me me me' begging bowls at Moscow. Not anymore at the US and its local cop Israel.

That's why -- once Putin, Assad and the Kurds complete the hard work of securing the border with Turkey -- the 'moderate rebels', the MB guys paid by the US to give away their weapons to Al Qaeda and then hide under rocks, will come around to the new master, "Have I got a deal for you!" Putin. Watch, it will happen very quickly.

Lavrov and Putin know these people, there are a lot of them, and it will be good to have them on the good guys' side, at least for awhile. Good PR, at least. The proposals and enticements of the last 24 hours are the bait. Soon there will be a feeding frenzy. 'Care-e-e-e-e-ring!'

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 25 2015 19:16 utc | 18

@13 oh, if Murdoch's WSJ says its true....

Posted by: Guest77 | Oct 25 2015 19:21 utc | 19

@ Noirette | Oct 25, 2015 1:10:31 PM | 8

Well, Noirette, I've just dug a little bit deeper into this alleged "Erdogan's Islamic sex cult". This narrative is brought to us by an ultra-slick website called BALKANIST. They claim:

BALKANIST -- The Islamic Sex Cult Supporting Turkey’s Prime Minister -- March 28, 2014

Harun Yahya is said to be the messianic leader of an apocalyptic Islamic sex cult. He’s also the owner of a Turkish television station called A9, and the host of his own religious talk show, which just might make your eyeballs pop out of your skull. The entire set and everyone on it glow like irradiated ultraviolet rays. Five amazing looking women usually co-host the show, wearing things like false rainbow eyelashes, wigs, and diamond-studded Versace bondage gear. The backdrop is a blinding fake lavender cityscape. Conversations often focus on how materialism and Darwinism are dead, how to recognize the face of a real Muslim, and how Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan — with whom the host is rumored to enjoy friendly relations — is “one of the important figures for the End Times”.

So, Turkey's Erdogan is all tangled up in an "Islamic sex cult"! What could be more predictable? It all makes perfect sense -- not.

This slick BALKANIST site also publishes such enlightening fare as:

BALKANIST -- Russia Clamps Down on Contemporary Art (and History) -- February 11, 2015

Russia’s Ministry of Culture has shut down a major “contemporary art and culture hubs project” and repurposed it with a new agenda: spreading “patriotic education” and “promoting moral values” for the “development of the Russian national spirit” in line with the Orthodox Church.

The entire team of curators involved in the original “cultural innovation initiative” (CII) has been fired, some say without notice. Their replacements have suggested that contemporary art is “American” or “Western” and “alien to our own country [Russia]“.

Evidently this BALKANIST site is no great friend of Russia.

Here is what the renowned journalist and former NSA analyst Wayne Madsen has to say about what's going on in Turkey:

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- The Dönmeh: The Middle East’s Most Whispered Secret (Part I) -- October 25,2011

[Note: Dönmeh is rendered simply as Donmeh in many English writings.]

American politicians and journalists, whose knowledge of the history of countries like Turkey and the preceding Ottoman Empire, is often severely lacking, have painted the friction between Israel’s government and the Turkish government of Prime Minister Erdogan as based on Turkey’s drift to Islamism and the Arab world. Far from it, Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party (AKP) seem to have finally seen a way to break free from the domination and cruelty of the Dönmeh, whether in the form of Kemalist followers of Ataturk or nationalist schemers and plotters in Ergenekon. But with Turkey’s “Independence Day” has come vitriol from the Dönmeh and their natural allies in Israel and the Israel Lobby in the United States and Europe. Turkey as a member of the European Union was fine for Europe as long as the Dönmeh remained in charge and permitted Turkey’s wealth to be looted by central bankers like has occurred in Greece.

When Israel launched its bloody attack on the Turkish Gaza aid vessel, the Mavi Marmara, on May 31, 2010, the reason was not so much the ship’s running of the Israeli blockade of Gaza. The brutality of the Israelis in shooting unarmed Turks and one Turkish-American, some at point blank range, according to a UN report, indicated that Israel was motivated by something else: vengeance and retaliation for the Turkish government’s crackdown on Ergenekon, the purging of the Turkish military and intelligence senior ranks of Dönmeh, and reversing the anti-Muslim religious and cultural policies set down by the Dönmeh’s favorite son, Ataturk, some ninety years before. In effect, the Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara was in retaliation for Turkey’s jailing of several top Turkish military officers, journalists, and academics, all accused of being part of the Ergenekon plot to overthrow the AKP government in 2003. Hidden in the Ergenekon coup plot is that the Dönmeh and Ergenekon are connected through their history of being Kemalists, ardent secularists, pro-Israeli, and pro-Zionist.

I assure folks that it may be rather enlightening to read all of the above Madsen article. All this gives me much food for thought.

Posted by: blues | Oct 25 2015 19:33 utc | 20

@18 Talking of Murdoch....

Posted by: dh | Oct 25 2015 19:46 utc | 21

Just noticed something: in you used to be able to search for pics ot Assad addressing his parliament, with shots of the assembly wherein were women, blacks, whites, in-betweens, men in suits, men in tribal robes. Now all you get is shots of Assad gesturing to somebody. Or maybe I'm using the wrong search terms: assad+parliament+speech?

Posted by: ruralito | Oct 25 2015 20:27 utc | 22

When Israel launched its bloody attack on the Turkish Gaza aid vessel, the Mavi Marmara

It happened at a time when polls were showing the Erdogan might lose the upcoming election. I think Madsen sorta lost the plot. Erdogan won the election exactly because of the outrage about the Mavi Marmara.

So yes, the Israelis were trying to help Erdogan - and it worked. But not because of the Dönmeh, but the Israelis wanted to support a fellow neoliberal.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 25 2015 20:33 utc | 23

I want to provide two links from ZH and talk about how they are related.

The 1st is about the US agreeing to sell military goods to the house of Saud

The 2nd is about how the house of Saud could precipitate a US dollar crisis

So now the US is aiding and abetting war crimes in order to hold off the inevitable collapse of US Dollar/Reserve Currency hegemony.

Is the world ready to abolish private finance to end the effects of financial dictatorship? Is the world ready to neuter inheritance globally so none can accumulate enough to effect social policy?

My take is the answer is no, humanity is still too brainwashed to overcome their pain and suffering. It is sad to watch.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 25 2015 20:43 utc | 24

Propaganda Alert. Tonight, 60 Minutes, the CBS "News Magazine" will have a segment about how well the Outlaw Empire is fighting Daesh. I've better things to do, but I tought I'd make the announcement.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2015 20:47 utc | 25

following @22
an member of NATO (have noticed that NATO has never commented on Israeli's war crimes in Gaza), also a fellow neocon, etc

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 25 2015 21:08 utc | 26

@ruralito #21

This is what I got using
search: "assad+parliament+speech"

Assad speech in C-span3 website.

BTW, Never searches in Google except maps. Google archive every search from day one. There are other search engine that don't archive your search: Startpage and Ixquick.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Oct 25 2015 21:10 utc | 27

@ okie farmer | Oct 25, 2015 4:33:10 PM | 22

The Turkish Gaza relief ship Mavi Marmara was brutally attacked by Israel on May 30, 2010; Erdogan was elected president of Turkey on August 10, 2014. That's quite a stretch. And Ergodan is now making deals with, and overtures to Russia. A conservative, yes, ruthless, yes. But apparently not neocon.

Posted by: blues | Oct 25 2015 21:22 utc | 28

Penelope says:

From somewhere among the American people must come the knowledge, the resolve and the certainty to defeat the militarized arm of an international cabal that is reversing all of human civilization

from somewhere...

...whatever is good in people will always prevail, but, unfortunately, there is no medicine for stupidity.

Posted by: john | Oct 25 2015 21:22 utc | 29

Erdogan was Prime Minster for 11 years before he was elected Prez.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 25 2015 21:42 utc | 30

Oh boy.

Posted by: Plenue | Oct 25 2015 21:45 utc | 31

One Happy Kalibr Family

This is a technical article on the SLCM Kalibr missile system recently used by the Russians in Syria, launched from ships in the Caspian Sea. The article was written by Nikolai Sokov , a nuclear-weapons, non-proliferation Russian scientist, for Arms Control Wonk, a blog on arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation, as part of a discussion on alleged Russian violations of the 1978 INF Treaty, with the introduction of the new Kalibr missile.

Beyond all the military capabilities of the Kalibr in its different versions, (sea, land, air, domestic and export)the "worst side of the Kalibr" is its versatility. The Russians have designed it to fit standard shipping containers, that can be carried in trucks, trains, ships, not different from the millions of containers carried across the seven seas by merchant ships. It is completely mobile, and, in a shipping container, completely innocuous, hence its "sneaky" quality and lethal danger.

Sokov on Russian Cruise Missiles

I was discussing reports of a new Russian sea-launched cruise missile with my colleague, Nikolai Sokov. He has a number of thoughts about what is going on, so I was delighted when he offered to write them up. There are a lot of really interesting things in Nikolai’s piece.

One comment — I remain undecided about the idea that the alleged Russian INF violation arises from a ground-based test of a sea-launched cruise missile. The new information, though, does seem to bolster that case, at least a bit, but my intuition is that it is a new ground-launched cruise missile. In any event, its a discussion worth having. And this is a really great start [...]

This marketing video of the export version of the Kalibr, Club K, shows how the missile works, from deployment to targeting acquisition to launch to target approach to the kill.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 25 2015 21:45 utc | 32

I was horrified to see that a troll stole my 'pen name' in the past 24 hours, and used it to drop F bombs on users of this website. That poster was not me.

I have been posting on Moon of Alabama for a short while, and I hope that in the time I have been commenting, people have noticed that I do not curse out other Moon of Alabama posters.

I have seen other posters complain about trolling, and about trolls using existing posters' handles in order to sow confusion and cause arguments. I guess it was my turn.

If whoever used my name is reading this: try it again, and I'll just post under a random name whenever I comment. That way you have no handle to steal.

Posted by: BiffaBacon | Oct 25 2015 21:53 utc | 33

@ blues | Oct 25, 2015 3:33:13 PM | 19

You're dead right about the Madsen article on the Dönmeh. Both parts are keepers.

Here's some more corroboration. In fact, the 1994 article is where the story broke. Last I checked, Lexis-Nexis erased the 1994 article. Only Highbeam Research has it.



The Forward

When Kemal Ataturk Recited Shema Yisrael: `It's My Secret Prayer, Too,' He Confessed [Paywalled]

Free copy here:
I can confirm that the Radio Islam version and the Highbeam Research article are identical.



The New York Sun
July 24, 2007
Ataturk's Turkey Overturned

Posted by: MRW | Oct 25 2015 23:04 utc | 34

Bye bye Merkel!! Her resignation looks to be quite likely in the next two weeks

Wolfgang Schäuble possibly is going to be the next chancellor, he wanted Greece out of the Euro in July, as for Russia, I do not know his real intention.

Posted by: RussianBoy | Oct 25 2015 23:05 utc | 35

@ MRW | Oct 25, 2015 7:04:36 PM | 33

It appears your second link, to The New York Sun, is broken. But I found and saved a page:
Ataturk's Turkey Overturned By HILLEL HALKIN | July 24, 2007

Posted by: blues | Oct 25 2015 23:24 utc | 36

Thanks, blues. Somehow the ending blockquote tag got included in my link. Yours is nice and clean.

Posted by: MRW | Oct 25 2015 23:53 utc | 37

Bye Merkel

Posted by: RussianBoy | Oct 25 2015 23:59 utc | 38

Counting down for her resignation.

Posted by: RussianBoy | Oct 25 2015 23:59 utc | 39

Fact check at aisle 19

Again with the Donmeh and Wayne Masden -- a top conspiracy from one of America's top conspiracy theorists (and that's saying something, given the competition).

Masden asserts that "Abdulhamid II was vilified by the Young Turks as a tyrant, but his only real crime appears to have been to refuse to meet Zionist leader Theodore Herzl during a visit to Constantinople in 1901 and reject Zionist and Dönmeh offers of money in return for the Zionists to be granted control of Jerusalem."

There were actually plenty of people who had cause for anger with Abdul Hamid II. As an authoritarian westernizer, he both promulgated and suspended a constitution and parliament and presided over early mass repression of the Armenians. As his Wiki puts it, "Despite his conservatism and despotic rule, evidence of modernization of the Ottoman Empire occurred during Abdul Hamid's long reign...." He alienated both conservatives and Young Turks.

And a much simpler explanation for Mavi Marmara -- the Israelis are quite rigorous in their isolation of Gaza (the international airport there was destroyed long ago). Even when these challenges originate from regional allies.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 26 2015 0:23 utc | 40

@26, JS thanks. I wish duckduckgo had a search-in-a-certain-time function. Maybe it does. I couldn't find it.

Posted by: ruralito | Oct 26 2015 0:45 utc | 41

Nobody's talking about the debt limit deadline in Washington. Congress has till November 3 to raise it. Boehner says he hasn't got the votes for a clean, simple increase. Ryan hasn't said anything about it yet. He will be elected on Thursday as speaker - just days before the hour of judgment.

It's frustrating that the media undersells the consequences of default. I just read a mealy-mouthed piece in The Washington Post that said it's "anyone's guess" what happens if the United States of America misses payments on T-Bills. But it's not anyone's guess. You don't even have to guess. It's obvious. The Treasury market implodes and interest rates skyrocket; the major banks fail as the stock market goes to limit down; and the world plunges into a true Great Depression while the U.S. sinks to third-world status - with all the looting, rioting, social dislocation and unrest, psychological trauma, and, eventually, martial law and dictatorship - the putrescence - that comes w a dying superpower.

Last time we went to the brink, in 2013, the media was much more willing to plainly lay out the apocalyptic ramifications. Now, it doesn't wanna look like chicken little, and the audience is already bored ("haven't we seen this movie before?"). So the media's downplaying or ignoring the crisis, and people are happy to tune out, because who needs that kind of anxiety. The complacency and head-burying makes default all the more likely. My prediction is that it comes down to the final hour - which is damaging enough. But I'd rank the chance of a default at 40 percent.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 26 2015 0:47 utc | 42

@ rufus magister | Oct 25, 2015 8:23:22 PM | 38

Now you are actually taking political insights from “Wiki”?

Wikipedia (very limited reliability):

Abdul Hamid II

"Despite his conservatism and despotic rule, evidence of modernization of the Ottoman Empire occurred during Abdul Hamid's long reign...."

Whatever. These argument s are tangential at best.

You seem to be pretending to refute my evidence, without actually refuting anything at all. Who cares all that much about Abdul Hamid II?

I've been talking about Erdogan's split with the [Zionist] Donmeh, and its effects on relations with the other Zionists. Not some ancient red herrings.

Posted by: blues | Oct 26 2015 1:00 utc | 43

And please stop calling people "conspiracy theorists" when what they actually are is disinformation resisters.

Posted by: blues | Oct 26 2015 1:09 utc | 44

@ Anonymous | Oct 25, 2015 8:47:42 PM | 40

The Treasury market implodes and interest rates skyrocket; the major banks fail as the stock market goes to limit down; and the world plunges into a true Great Depression while the U.S. sinks to third-world status - with all the looting, rioting, social dislocation and unrest, psychological trauma, and, eventually, martial law and dictatorship - the putrescence - that comes w a dying superpower.

Oh, come on, you're making it sound like this would be a bad thing.

Just go over to ZeroHedge and buy their book, "How To Get Rich in the Coming Social Dislocation, Psychological Trauma, Martial Law and Dictatorship". You'll be set for life!

Posted by: PhilK | Oct 26 2015 1:27 utc | 45

@ PhilK | Oct 25, 2015 9:27:22 PM | 43

Italics fail -- worked in the preview, but failed in the actual post. Was supposed to read:

Oh, come on, you're making it sound like this would be a bad thing.

Just go over to ZeroHedge and buy their book, "How To Get Rich in the Coming Social Dislocation, Psychological Trauma, Martial Law and Dictatorship". You'll be set for life!

Posted by: PhilK | Oct 26 2015 1:31 utc | 46

@ruralito #39

Sorry, dunno how to "search-in-a-certain-time function". Wish could help further.

If you MUST use Google to narrow specific search, use StartPage or Ixquick instead. Both uses Google search algorithm but without archived and searched trails from day one.

Not many care or aware the danger - Google, Bing or lesser Yahoo. They track you from day one and feed info from their archived including what and where you buy in Internet or your favorites sites. We can type exact word or words and with different results.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Oct 26 2015 1:48 utc | 47


Let me guess. Since its from zero hedge, its about buying gold and silver, isn't it?

You cant possibly really imagine a book like that is going to teach you how to get a positive roll with such highly turbulent dice.

Posted by: Massinissa | Oct 26 2015 1:49 utc | 48


What ever happen to "balance of power"?

Good question. Guess it is hanging in the balance?

Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, master of the US defeat in VN, understood very well power has limits, no matter how powerful a nation. That's how he defeated the French and the US.

On the U.S. leadership during the war:

In general, I must say they were the most intelligent people, with certain talents such as military, political and diplomacy skills. They were intelligent people. That was the first point that I want to say. The second point I want to say is that they knew little about Vietnam and her people. They didn’t understand our will to maintain independence and equality between nations even though these are stated in President Jefferson’s manifestation. And so they made mistakes. They did not know the limits of power. ... No matter how powerful you are there are certain limits, and they did not understand it well.

The Rise and Decline of the American "Empire" Power and Its Limits in Comparative Perspective

General Vo Nguyen Giap made the same point after the Vietnam War was over: "Despite its military power, America misgauged the limits of its power. In war there are two factors -human beings and weapons. Ultimately, though, human beings are the decisive factor. Human beings! Human beings!



I'm sure I shall enjoy bhadrakumar's talk; he gives a hint of it in the short essay you link to: Putin's 'fourth way' of diplomacy.

I looked for it at the Valdai Club site, and it is really confusing, the program format not really clear. There is a general summary of "Session 4: Diplomacy in the 21st Century," not divided by participants. I guess it will take some time before papers are published. In the meantime, here you go.

Valdai 2015 Session 4: Diplomacy in the 21st Century

Diplomatic service should guarantee solution of strategic goals. Several systems have been created throughout history to make searches for a consensus easier: Westphalian, Versailles and Yalta-Potsdam [...]

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 26 2015 2:08 utc | 49

(Interesting comment at that site regarding Woodrow Wilson signing Federal Reserve Act into law:)

"Q: Who thinks they know what blackmail or other pressure-point was used to get Wilson to sign the Fed Res [Act] into law?

Don't be shy. Speak-up. It had to be far more threatening than his quiet affair with a Princeton professor's wife. More like a chronic, progressively debilitating disease would make him unelectable if publicly known."

Someone in internetland probably knows something. Perhaps a hand-me-down relative of an interested medical party?

Posted by: curiouser | Oct 26 2015 2:20 utc | 50

@ruralito #39

I dunno what speech you are searching. Here two more options: President Bashar Al-Assad website and a French intellectual Thierry Meyssan now living in Syria,

Posted by: Jack Smith | Oct 26 2015 2:31 utc | 51

blues at 41 --

I took one element of the tissue of fact and fancy that Masden concocted in the name of "disinformation resistance" and looked into it. I think the old-fashioned late Twentieth Century slogan "Question Authority" more specific and better sounding, BTW.

The now-banned "Lord" Charles Drake had tossed the Donmeh out in one of his offerings (tried to link the House of Saud to them). I had fact-checked that little gem, so I was familiar with the term.

I think Abdul Hamid's reign gives ample evidence that his declining a meeting with a Zionist is likely a very, very minor factor in his loss of power.

I found Wiki a convenient statement of fact. Adbul Hamid is a complex and contradictory figure, not at all amenable to the one-dimensional treatment Madsen gives him.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 26 2015 2:37 utc | 52

LW @ 31: Thanks for the Club K missile video. Highly informative.

Posted by: ben | Oct 26 2015 2:47 utc | 53

Here is lots more proof out of Iraq how the US is supporting ISIL, not

fighting it

Posted by: curious | Oct 26 2015 3:00 utc | 54

@ rufus magister | Oct 25, 2015 10:37:10 PM |

Why, actually, does the concept of disinformation resistance seem to trouble you so profoundly?

Posted by: blues | Oct 26 2015 3:47 utc | 55

Glen Ford on the BLM movement sucking up to HRC:

Posted by: ben | Oct 26 2015 3:59 utc | 56

The despicable State of Bernie Sanders, when he is out-moralised and shown a more honest geopolitical evaluation by Donald Trump( !!!!)! on the Middle East re. Iraq, Libya in Syria.

Posted by: tom | Oct 26 2015 4:37 utc | 57

Thanks, Lone Wolf @ 47 - I did the same and got to that link finally myself - agree with you on the Valdai site - it looks great, but hard to find more than a few video offerings and some concluding reports. I did go back to Bhadrakumar's blog, and he has an entry there describing the Prime Minister of Iran's visit to Putin and what they talked about in some detail. That was fascinating.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 26 2015 4:38 utc | 58

ben @54: Great stuff from Glen Ford. Thanks for the link.

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 26 2015 4:49 utc | 59

in re 53

Can one resist disinformation by creating it? The plainly observed and the easily demonstrated about the status quo is damning enough, one need not probe the "hidden secrets."

One is free to believe what one will. But the sort of cavalier attitude towards matters of historical fact that Madsen displays always raises red flags with me.

Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 26 2015 4:50 utc | 60

@55 tom

Thanks for the link.

What I don't follow is your connection to Bernie Sanders. Why not HRC or one of the war mongers on the GOP side?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 26 2015 5:12 utc | 61

@ rufus magister | Oct 26, 2015 12:50:38 AM |

Historical fact?


What's the difference?

Posted by: blues | Oct 26 2015 5:28 utc | 62

@52 curious.. goes well with my link @5..

Posted by: james | Oct 26 2015 5:33 utc | 63

Poland Ousts Government as Law & Justice Gains Historic Majority. Law and Justice is a conservative party from the identity politics perspective, which is the only perspective the mainstream 'liberal' media looks at politics with. But, then again, the banks are unhappy which is always a good thing from a left perspective, and look at this (from the first link):

Beata Szydlo, Law & Justice’s candidate for prime minister, is poised to overhaul the $548 billion economy with pledges to raise taxes on the financial industry, increase spending on child support and start a 350 billion zloty ($90.3 billion) central bank loan program.

More than a fifth of Polish workers make less than the $720 a-month poverty threshold. The number of Poles living abroad has more than doubled in the past decade to 2.3 million.

The new government will look to tax bank assets from January by imposing a 0.39 percent levy, and another measure planned targeting bigger retailers ...

Of course the financial industry pundits all think she'll back out on her promises to tax the banks. Politicians often do, so we'll see.

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 26 2015 6:01 utc | 64

Mainstream media comment of the year recently posted at the Guardian:

krissywilson87 to jack_nance 18h ago

There's also an anxiety about bourgeois identity politics movements being pushed by rich liberals to supplant class consciousness with the false consciousness of race and gender identity, to distract from their own obvious complicity with and enjoyment of the capitalist system which engenders privilege.

For privilege is ultimately determined by class. Bourgeois liberals, emanating mostly from the ultra-capitalist USA, attempt to create a narrative where racism, sexism and other identity-based forms of discrimination are the cause of privilege. But, at least in the West, these are trivialities next to class, and the bourgeois media class know it. Their constant attempts to talk up the significance of identity politics only serve to remind a critical observer that they occupy an incredibly privileged position in our capitalist society and that they will resort to any sort of duplicity, intellectual dishonesty and censorship to defend it.

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 26 2015 8:03 utc | 65

@Penelope #15,

"To denigrate an entire nation by ascribing to its people the characteristics of the gangster oligarchs -- the characteristics of a primitive illuminati cult obsessed with reducing all of humanity to subservience-- surely you can see that this counters your own interests."

There are a lot of people here who get some kind of kick running down the USA. Let them have their fun. For that, there are too many Americans who do not understand the difference between patriotism and chauvanism and mindless nationalism.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Oct 26 2015 8:33 utc | 66

Lone Wolf @47 Can I add to your views that Obama back in 2011 when addressing the 93rd annual conference of the American Legion said "the US never lost a major battle in Vietnam". The late Col Harry G Summers had this to say.. Before his death in 1999, Summers liked to tell about a meeting he had with a North Vietnamese colonel named Tu while he was with a delegation visiting Hanoi in 1975. At one point, Summers told Tu, "You know, you never defeated us on the battlefield." Tu paused for a moment, then replied, "That may be so. But it is also irrelevant. Stephen Lendman tells it as it is in his excellent piece today on his blog. A Must read.

Posted by: harry law | Oct 26 2015 9:18 utc | 67

John 'the singing canary' McCain, Media has reported in October that Syrian rebels asked Washington for Stinger missiles to use them against Russia’s military jets.

“Absolutely… Absolutely I would,” McCain said when asked whether he would support the delivery of Stinger missiles to the opposition in Syria.
“We certainly did that in Afghanistan. After the Russians invaded Afghanistan, we provided them with surface-to-air capability. It’d be nice to give people that we train and equip and send them to fight the ability to defend themselves. That’s one of the fundamental principles of warfare as I understand it,” McCain said. The man should be in a straight jacket Weapons in the hands of terrorists in Syria [good or bad] are instantly traded to the highest bidder or stolen. If stingers are supplied we can assume all flights from Ben Gurion airport, even from Turkey will be suspended. McCain is a delusional fool.

Posted by: harry law | Oct 26 2015 9:37 utc | 68

@15 p @64 rb

It's not about running down Americans or Germans or Israelis or Romans it's about realizing and embracing one's own heritage as a member of a polity and owning its history. You cannot set out on a journey in any direction without first knowing where 'here' is.

I think it was somebody who called our - my at any rate - attention to a series of public lectures given by John Marciano in Los Angeles in 2007 which he entitled Empire as a way of life. Plenty of good material there. Plenty more from Michael Parenti. From William Blum ... others.

Given a particular historical-social-economic milieu ... that is 'nationality' ... how much variation is there, really, among our human species? We cannot know, I suppose, but a Fiji island infant brought up in Germany is a German, as far as I can see. A Fiji-German as we Americans would say.

The idea is to get a real appreciation of where 'here' is and of how we got 'here', and then purposefully to set out in the direction of home. We're all approaching home from different directions ... depending on where we are when the spell is broken, the lights go on, and we sleepwalkers awake.

The sleepwalkers, the wakened. Maybe.

Posted by: jfl | Oct 26 2015 11:10 utc | 69

@66 hl

' McCain is a delusional fool. '

Living in Thailand I conclude : it's the uniform. Whether it's an attractor or a transformer I don't know, but it does the job. Lights out.

Posted by: jfl | Oct 26 2015 11:14 utc | 70

Russia acts in Syria and the West is taken by surprise.

And this: "Western intelligence was unaware of the existence of the Kalibr-NK missile at that time."

What exactly is Western intelligence doing (besides spying on their own civilians)?

Posted by: From The Hague | Oct 26 2015 11:57 utc | 71

@69 fth

Funding and arming Al CIAda, transporting terrorists all around the world, pushing USAID and the NED, running the State Department, assassinating random people at great expense by drone, whole families at a time ... you might say - 'Hey, that has nothing to do with intelligence!' And of course you'd be right. And that's the answer to your question. There is no intelligence operation in the USA. We have the CIA instead.

Posted by: jfl | Oct 26 2015 12:27 utc | 72

69@ From The Hague

Indeed. I checked "prior knowledge" in Wikipedia:

Russia has Kh-55SM cruise missiles, with similar to US AGM-129 range of 3000 km, but are able to carry more powerful warhead of 200 kt. They are equipped with a TERCOM system which allows them to cruise at an altitude lower than 110 meters at subsonic speeds while obtaining a CEP accuracy of 15 meters with an Inertial navigation system. They are air-launched from either Tupolev Tu-95s, Tupolev Tu-22Ms, or Tupolev Tu-160s, each able to carry 16 for the Tu-95, 12 for the Tu-160, and 4 for the Tu-22M. A stealth version of the missile, the Kh-101 is in development. It has similar qualities as the Kh-55, except that its range has been extended to 5,000 km, equipped with a 1,000 kg conventional warhead, and has stealth features which reduces its probability of intercept.


Currently cruise missiles are among the most expensive of single-use weapons, up to several million dollars apiece. One consequence of this is that its users face difficult choices in target allocation, to avoid expending the missiles on targets of low value. For instance during Operation Enduring Freedom the United States attacked targets of very low monetary value with cruise missiles, which led many to question the efficiency of the weapon. However, proponents of the cruise missile counter that the same argument applies to other types of UAVs: they are cheaper than human pilots when total training and infrastructure costs are taken into account, not to mention the risk of loss of personnel. As demonstrated in Operation Odyssey Dawn and prior conflicts, cruise missiles are much more difficult to detect and intercept than other aerial assets (reduced radar cross-section, infrared and visual signature due to smaller size), suiting them to attacks against static air defense systems.

Piotr summary:

The "mystery cruise missiles" differ from the known missiles by having shorter range, so presumably, lower cost. My guess is that deriving such missiles from already tested designs is patently feasible, but Russia with its post-Soviet military industry makes a good job hiding what they do -- continuity of employment, ultra-remote location of production facilities. Even so, "high value targets" would be Gulf facilities, both military and oil related. In other words, Russia cannot stop KSA from delivering MANPADs to the rebels, but once Russian helicopters start falling from the sky, KSA and USA cannot protect their oil facilities, because Awacs, Patriots etc. are not good against low flying zigzaging cruise missiles. And these facilities are "high value targets". The whole package is very tricky, but KSA must understand that when push comes to shove, they have vastly more to loose.

Actually, as an armchair strategist, I would start by sending a fleet to Yemen with humanitarian (and discrete military) aid, and would the fleet come under attack, KSA can be attacked with very tepid international reaction. Helicopters would seem a huge stretch as explanation of an attack on key economic targets, but navy is a different story. And KSA has no legal basis for enforcing blockade of Yemen. And a bunch of Tochkas in the hands of Houthi coalition would send shivers of dread.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 26 2015 13:10 utc | 73
Hardtalk Dmitry Peskov

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 26 2015 13:20 utc | 74

Interesting short debate on breaking up big banks, between Bill Black, and Leo Panitch, two economists.

Posted by: ben | Oct 26 2015 13:46 utc | 75


Your last paragraph shows you are either a failed humorist or a true Crazy Ivan. Russia is doing its best to bomb parts of Syria back to the Stone Age but is losing the war by assisting the Islamic State in its expansion, they cut off the SAA supply route to Aleppo and are gaining ground against nationalist rebels thanks to Putin's impulsiveness.

Now you recommend Putin start a new war in the Gulf that he also can't win, brilliant!

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Oct 26 2015 15:09 utc | 76

Piotr Berman@71

Yes please, on Yemen. Not for any reason other than the crying humanitarian need. Saudis - out!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 26 2015 15:20 utc | 77

Yes, wayoutwest, al Nusra and their buddies did "cut off the SAA supply route to Aleppo" temporarily, but ask yourself "why"?

It's because they know that the Russian-SAA-Iranian-Hezbollah noose is tightening around Aleppo, so they launched a desperate attack on the main artery north.
Now they're going to be bombed into oblivion.

Anyone who thinks Russia is losing the war in Syria, needs a crash-course in how to read a map.

Posted by: plantman | Oct 26 2015 15:28 utc | 78


Thank you. This is important. Leo Panitch actually defends big banks and threw his weight around in Greece when the Real News went there. It's worthwhile to see him in action, and to have Bill Black responding to 'we need big banks' with 'they are cartels' is beautiful.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 26 2015 15:50 utc | 79

Yes WoW at 74, that's why KSA and USA are screaming at the top of their lungs: because Russia is loosing, and they are very sad about that.

Posted by: Lysander | Oct 26 2015 16:07 utc | 80


Al-Nusra and the Army of Conquest have been busy repulsing the Offensive, even breaking through its lines and destroying many tanks and troop transports with their effective TOW missiles but it was the Islamic State fighters that cut the SAA supply line to Aleppo.

Without a supply line for the SAA troops their noose is little more than a rope trick that means there will probably never be a battle for Aleppo.

Maps are fun and interesting but they change daily during war and the outcome is not on a piece of paper, it's on the ground decided by combat.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Oct 26 2015 16:18 utc | 81

This article encloses a letter from an organic farmer in India that eloquently states the advantages of 'first do no harm' in farming practice:

Posted by: juliania | Oct 26 2015 16:28 utc | 82

another day... more stupid wow comments.. the tows are from the usa - you ought to be proud of that wow! better hope they don't run out, or they're f*k'd...

Posted by: james | Oct 26 2015 16:30 utc | 83

Almost impossible to believe:

This company's main and ONLY goal is to exploit the oil and gas reservoirs in the occupied Golan heights.
You can read more in NEO by W.Engdahl, holy shit the devil worshipping BARON is everywhere...

Posted by: Sufi | Oct 26 2015 16:35 utc | 84

Down the same thread linked @63, a couple more great comments by krissywilson:


... The Guardian is not the origin of this stuff - bourgeois liberal colleges in America which teach pseudo-intellectual disciplines like "gender studies", and the privileged students who study at those colleges and then take careers in the media, are the vanguard of identity politics as a movement.


In any case, Britain and America are part of the same liberal, capitalist world. The only difference, and why I identified the USA in particular, is that Britain also has a strong socialist tradition, whereas America does not. Hence this sort of identity politics has easily replaced actual socialist politics as the "left-wing" over there... and it will do so here, too, as Britain tends evermore towards a 51st State.

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 26 2015 16:37 utc | 85


You can't be serious...
You think these bedwetting misfits can beat the combined forces of Russia-SAA-Hezbollah-Iran?
My guess, is that by the end of the week, we'll see Luweris airbase recaptured by government forces while the battle for Aleppo will have begun.
If I'm wrong, I'll admit you were right.
Will you do the same?

Posted by: plantman | Oct 26 2015 16:38 utc | 86

Aparently, IS briefly interrupted the traffic on Khalmasser road, but this is not a "noose". So far, the only impressive gains of IS are against the rebels. Rebels seems to be clobbered in South Aleppo by SAA, and retreated a bit in West Aleppo, in North Aleppo they lost to IS, in East Aleppo there is a zigzag of advances of SAA and IS. The highway to Aleppo is apparently secured after a day of interruption.

All side claim that opponents wracked huge losses, so the future will tell who will go ahead. One strategic difference is withdrawal of Israeli planes from Syria and Lebanon, next week we will analyze the consequences of the elections in Turkey where only the current ruling party likes to supply the rebels (and Isis? pretty much it seems that they do that too), and it may be forced into a coalition with concession concerning various policies.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 26 2015 16:51 utc | 87

Sufi@82. All those Investors will be guilty of stealing the Natural Resources of the Syrian people if that oil is extracted and sold.Here is UNSC Resolution 497[December 17th 1981], nothing has changed.
Having considered the letter of 14 December 1981 from the Permanent Representative of the Syrian Arab Republic contained in document S/14791,

Reaffirming that the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible, in accordance with the United Nations Charter, the principles of international law, and relevant Security Council resolutions,

1. Decides that the Israeli decision to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights is null and void and without international legal effect;

Posted by: harry law | Oct 26 2015 16:53 utc | 88

I agree with you of course, and also in the NEO Engdahl article this is being pointed out.
However when you have Dick Cheney, James Woolsey, Bill Richardson, Jacob Lord Rothschild, Rupert Murdock, Larry Summers and Michael Steinhardt in one company you can expect a lot of 'Black Magic', just saying...

Posted by: Sufi | Oct 26 2015 17:06 utc | 89


The KSA and the US certainly have reasons to be concerned about Putin's stability and loosing his Crazy Ivan military on Syria. Threatening to start another war with the Gulf States and making contradictory statements about who are or aren't terrorists. Lavrov's pitiful pleas to the FSA, who they are incinerating, to join the Russian Crusade against the IS while asking the US to locate them is an indication of something very wrong in the Kremlin.

If this diplomacy is an act it is dangerous, if it is not an act it is even more dangerous.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Oct 26 2015 17:08 utc | 90

The Saudis are in the Zionist hip pocket,Their adventure in Yemen will continue until they collapse within,or realize their error.Fools for empire.The MSM protects the Saudis like a mother.At least since 9-11-01.
Todays lying times says Russkies about to cut the cable(s).
At least most commenters called out the warmongering.

Posted by: dahoit | Oct 26 2015 17:21 utc | 91

Re Shillary;As Bob Hope once quipped,it's nice to see the new faces on the old faces here tonight.(Oscars)
And Ms.Cobban;The N word is a blanket condemnation of a whole race? of people,while c*nt is just a description of a subset of gender,like being a dick or prick re males.

Posted by: dahoit | Oct 26 2015 17:30 utc | 92

Wayoutwest says:

The KSA and the US certainly have reasons to be concerned about Putin's stability and loosing his Crazy Ivan military on Syria

yeah, one can only wonder how many of our guys have already come home in a box. woe the grieving wives...

Posted by: john | Oct 26 2015 18:01 utc | 93

This is an insightful conversation about the true state of sectarianism in the middle east & how the memory of a non-sectarian time is being erased. It's about 20 minutes long; I didn't time it. in English.

There was information new to me in it.

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 26 2015 18:13 utc | 94

nice piece by Tony
US-Turkey "Buffer Zone" to Save ISIS, Not Stop Them

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 26 2015 18:14 utc | 95

@59 physohisorian.
Of course there are more evil entities with worse records that you referenced, which is quite a bit obvious if you already read my record here.

As well, You're playing a dangerous game with your principles if you isolate the right wing for criticism but don't do the same for the "left" that deserve it.

And Trump is obviously full of shit and evil himself. He singled out the Democrats for Iraq criticism but not Bush and the Rethuglicans in Trumps propaganda piece above. He would never be so open and tell some half-truths if the Republicans were in power now, or if he was in power.

Posted by: tom | Oct 26 2015 18:50 utc | 96

Anti-Democratic presidential terrorist of Prtugal - who should be arrested and imprisoned for violation of fundamental human principles - denies Portugal election results where the "left" wins power.

Posted by: tom | Oct 26 2015 18:53 utc | 97

Brief cost of US $$ down rabbit hole on our 2 biggest (and ongoing) stupidities:

Iraq/Afghanistan (not counting Syria/Libia): $6 trillion (2013)

Wall St. Bailouts: $14.4 trillion

I suspect both those low: B. Ritholtz estimates later over $29 b.

2015 US GDB just under $18t. Even taking these low #'s, between the 2 over $20.4t... well over a years's total GDP of US.

Especially on this site (presumably) American visitors better apprised of absurdity, these kinds of comparisons with pointing out in letters to your Reps in this election season.

Would be curious is anyone has a better reference to our ME costs in $$: I suspect lots of "off budget" spending to contractors, secret prisons/rendition, CIA arms/logistics spending in Syria/Libya etc. would push this well over $10t.

Posted by: jdmckay | Oct 26 2015 19:01 utc | 98

And if there are no current laws for arresting a president like the Portuguese shit head above, then let the people implement their own version of a 'house arrest', so the people can isolate power abusers from power, who's criminal class warfare agenda is to improvrish, cause depredations and to be dominated by the rich/elite.

Posted by: tom | Oct 26 2015 19:01 utc | 99

Wayoutwest #76,
funny use of the western meme "bomb Someone back to the Stone Age".
I suppose you're aware that's pure Pentagon lingo, yes?

Posted by: citizen X | Oct 26 2015 19:53 utc | 100

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