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October 10, 2015

Obama Launches A Proxy War On Russia In Syria

For a moment it looked as if the U.S. was giving up on violent "regime change" in Syria. Under Russian pressure Secretary of State Kerry concided on September 29 that the outcome should be something that is not supported by the U.S. Gulf allies and proxy fighters of the war on Syria:

The United States and Russia agree on "some fundamental principles" for Syria, the U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Tuesday, adding that he plans to meet again with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Wednesday.

"There was agreement that Syria should be a unified country, united, that it needs to be secular, that ISIL (Islamic State) needs to be taken on, and that there needs to be a managed transition," Kerry told MSNBC ...

But instead of building on that agreement and of further working with the Russians, the U.S. is now slipping into a full war by proxy against the Russian Federation and especially with its contingent in Syria. Obama had claimed that he would not get drawn into a proxy war with Russia in Syria but his administration, the Pentagon and the CIA, is now doing all it can to create one. The Russian support for Syria is not limited. With the U.S. administration now moving into a position where war on Russia in Syria becomes the priority the fighting in and around Syria will continue for a long time.

The official Pentagon program to train Syrian insurgents will cease to vet, train, arm and support those mercenaries. But the program will not end. The Pentagon will simply shorten the process. It skips the vetting and training part and will arm and support anyone who proclaims to want to "fight ISIS":

The move marks an expansion of U.S. involvement in Syria’s protracted ground war and could expose the Obama administration to greater risks if weapons provided to a wider array of rebel units go astray, or if U.S.-backed fighters come under attack from forces loyal to Assad and his allies.
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Under the new plan, leaders of groups already battling the Islamic State undergo vetting and receive a crash course in human rights and combat communications. Many of them have already received that training outside Syria, officials said.

Eventually the Pentagon plans to provide ammunition and basic weapons to those leaders’ fighters and would carry out airstrikes on targets identified by those units.

We know how well things go when some rogue proxies identify targets they want the U.S. air force to hit. The destroyed MSF hospital in Kunduz and the 50 something killed in the U.S. attack on it, on request of Afghan special forces, tell the story.

Significant military aid to those fighters, in an area where Islamist extremist groups are mixed with and often fighting beside moderate opposition rebels, would mark a departure from previous U.S. policy. A senior administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the matter, declined to give specifics on any new aid that might arrive in northwest Syria. But the official said that “these supplies will be delivered to anti-ISIL forces whose leaders were appropriately vetted,” and described them as “groups with diverse membership.”

That would be these diverse groups which all include al-Nusra/al-Qaeda, Ahrar al Shams and other Jihadis. Even if not directly given to them the fact that al-Qaeda demands a "toll" of 1/3 of all weapons going through its controls, and sometimes takes all, shows that this program is effectively a direct, though unacknowledged, armament program for al-Qaeda.

The new program is separate from a CIA-led effort to aid rebel factions in Syria. It was not immediately clear how Friday’s announcement might affect the CIA program.

The CIA runs a similar but much bigger program since 2012. Weapons are handed out to everyone who wants to take down the Syrian government. Most of those weapons have landed in the hands of the Islamic State or al-Qaeda.

Indeed it is the CIA, under its torture justifying chief Brennan, which has pushed the Obama administration away from Kerry's conceding statement and into a full blown proxy war with Russia.

Russia bombed some of the CIA'S trained, armed and paid groups. It had earlier asked the U.S. to tell it who not to bomb but didn't receive an answer. As the CIA mercenaries are fighting against the Syrian government and are practically not distinguishable from al-Qaeda, ISI or other terrorists they are a legitimate targets. But not in the eyes of the CIA which nevertheless finds Russian attacks on them useful:

Reports indicate that CIA-trained groups have sustained a small number of casualties and have been urged to avoid moves that would expose them to Russian aircraft. One U.S. official who is familiar with the CIA program — and who like other officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters — said the attacks have galvanized some of the agency-equipped units. “Now they get to fight the Russians,” the official said. “This improves morale.”
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Brennan departed for the Middle East last week as the Russian strikes intensified. U.S. officials said that the trip was previously planned and not related to the bombings but acknowledged that his discussions centered on Syria.

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The decision to dismantle the Pentagon’s training program — whose small teams of fighters were often quickly captured or surrendered their weapons to rival rebel groups in Syria — may force Obama to weigh ramping up support to the CIA-backed groups.

U.S. officials said those involved in the agency program are already exploring options that include sending in rocket systems and other weapons that could enable rebels to strike Russian bases without sending in surface-to-air missiles that terrorist groups could use to target civilian aircraft.

The person who told the Saudis to deliver 500 TOW missiles to Syria ASAP was likely CIA chief Brennan. He also ordered to plan for attacks on the Russian base.

So instead of a calming down and cooperation with Russia to fight the Islamic State the Pentagon was told to shorten its program and to hand out weapons to everyone who asks. The CIA is feeding more weapons to its mercenaries via its Gulf proxies and is planning for direct attacks on Russians.

The war on Syria, and now also on Russia, is unlikely to end in the near future. With the U.S. throwing more oil into the fire the war will burn not only in Syria but in every other country around it.

Two suicide bombers blew themselves up today at a rally of the Kurd friendly HDP party in Ankara. Some 90 people were killed and some 200 wounded. This is the biggest terrorist attack modern Turkey has ever seen. The Turkish government disconnected the country from Twitter and forbid any reporting about the terror attack. The HDP party is leftist and supports a peaceful struggle for Kurdish autonomy. The militant Kurdish PKK in Turkey is currently fighting skirmishes with Turkish security forces in the east of the country. It has now announced that it will stop all attacks unless when it is attacked first. The sister organization of the PKK in Syria, the YPK, is currently fighting against the Islamic State. Erdogan's AK-Party and his government have supported the Islamic State and al-Qaeda in Syria. It sees the HDP party and the Kurds in general as its enemies. As one Turkish non-AKP politician said today, the bloody incident in Ankara was either a total Turkish intelligence failure or a Turkish intelligence operation.

Whatever else it was, the bombing, very likely by Islamic State suicide bombers, is a sign of an ongoing destabilization of Turkey. The instability will increase further until there is a major policy change and a complete crackdown on any support for the Jihadis in Syria as well as a complete closure of the Turkish-Syrian border.

Today the Russian President Putin will meet the Saudi "young leader" deputy crown-prince Mohammed Salman-un. Can Putin read him the riot act and tell him to stop being a proxy in the U.S. war on Syria? One hopes so.

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“This is because [President Vladimir] Putin has told [Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu that Israel can count on a no-threat zone running from Damascus south and east to the Golan. No threat means no Syrian Army, no jihadists etc...

Of course, if [President Vladimir] Putin didn't specify who would benefit from his no-threat zone then it means whatever he wants it to mean. I love Russian humour.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 11 2015 5:53 utc | 101

psychohistorian @ 80,

"Why is there never any public discussion of private finance over the centuries and its current relative merit, or lack thereof?"

So many reassuring lies told about it that people don't get it. I took a macro-economics course. Prof knew nil about it, relied on the Fed's literature. China doesn't want to dissolve the IMF, just wants a better position w/in it.

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 11 2015 5:54 utc | 102


@james #94, @Penelop #97, @68 karlof1

May I politely butt in relating to your conversations?

You probably know at least three people from the list - Bernie Sanders, Norman Finkelstein, Lia Tarachansky, Phyllis Bennis, Paul Jay, Robert Scheer and Medea Benjamin. They all from Jewish descent .

If I ask who is Nurit Peled-Elhanan and Miko Peled?

Most likely HET!

I stumble across in YouTube today. I won't let the cat out of the bag and suggest you watch them. Better still download. It's long and monotonous in the beginning. Most of what they said were repeats millions of times everywhere including MSM. But, they expressed it in different perspectives and would like to share with you and everyone here. Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05nh1asqU9o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWKPRC-_oSg

Posted by: Jack Smith | Oct 11 2015 5:57 utc | 103

The Arc of Resistance recently lost Brigadier General Hossein Hamedani, former deputy commander of the Basij and a personal friend to Qassem Suleimani, Iran's master strategist, who sent him to Syria to prop up Iran's support for the Assad regime. His killing, details about which we know nothing besides the location, the outskirts of Aleppo, could have been an opportunity coup, he was at the wrong place at the wrong time, or could have been a targeted killing, which requires SIGINT input to the takfiris while in combat. According to the IRGC commander, Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari, Hamedani "[...]played an outstanding role in preventing the fall of Damascus to the Takfiri terrorists."

IRGC Commander: Damascus Fall Prevented by Slain General

Regardless of the circumstances in which he was killed, it is a sensible loss for Iran, and they have vowed to take revenge for his death by fighting the takfiris until their final defeat.

Army Commander Vows to Crush Terrorists after Death of Iranian General in Syria

Farsnews is also announcing the killing of a "Senior Hezbollah Commander, Hassan Hossein al-Haj, also known as Abu Mohammad al-Eqleem[...]" during heavy fighting in Idlib countryside. Strangely enough, I checked Al Manar TV after Farsnews, and there is nothing about this new loss.

URGENT: Hezbollah Commander Killed in Syria's Idlib

The killing of high ranking officers speak volumes about the fierce combats taking place all over Syria, and about the price in blood the Arc of Resistance will have to pay to get their countries back. May their sacrifice not be in vain, may their deaths be a contribution to the final defeat of the US empire designs for Syria, Iraq, and the ME.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 11 2015 6:06 utc | 104

James @ 98,

Why should it look the same? I didn't say it was a quote. I preserved the plain meaning of the scurrilous allegation.

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 11 2015 6:12 utc | 105

@james@93

wow is mostly a bullshite artist.. not worth folks time..

James, WoW is a hasbara propagandist, and he needs to be rebutted and his lies exposed. His way of twisting reality can be confusing for people who does not know him, or does not read him regularly.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 11 2015 6:15 utc | 106

UK Parliament to vote soon to create "safe havens" protected by USNATO forces. Guess who will be kept safe...

The same old R2P bullshit...

Posted by: chuckvw | Oct 11 2015 6:22 utc | 107

James @ 98,
The Helmer article says:
"London sources familiar with Israeli politics add that Russian strategy has the tacit backing of Israel. “This is because [President Vladimir] Putin has told [Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu that Israel can count on a no-threat zone running from Damascus south and east to the Golan. No threat means no Syrian Army, no jihadists. Russia and Israel will now have what [Israeli Prime Minister David] Ben-Gurion once explained was Israel’s long-term objective – the breakup of the large, potentially powerful secular Arab states into small sectarian territories too weak to do anything but threaten each other.”

Shortened it says:
"London sources add that Russian strategy has the tacit backing of Israe because Putin told Netanyahu that Russia and Israel will now have the breakup of the large, potentially powerful secular Arab states into small sectarian territories too weak to do anything but threaten each other.”

I said:

"That Jon Helmer link that says "informed London sources" say that Putin told Netanyahu that he's going to break Syria up into little statelets-- what a load of BS!"

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 11 2015 6:27 utc | 108

The carnage in Ankara bluntly exposed the vulnerability of Turkey. This is the end of caliph Erdogan's wet dreams of neo ottomanism, unless the bombings have been prepared as a false flag operation by the turkish intelligence to justify his growing dictatorial trends...

Posted by: guy | Oct 11 2015 6:27 utc | 109

James, if you think the Helmer article means something different, tell us what it meant. I'm open to it.

Posted by: Penelope | Oct 11 2015 6:28 utc | 110

41

It's interesting that when Medicines Sans Frontiers aids all wounded fighters, including the aka-Taliban, USArya Future Warriors have no difficulty bmobing a hospital, but when Israeli hospitals aid wounded ISIS fighters, that we now know #JohnMcCainArmedandFundedISIS, well, oh, shalom, lachiem, no problem, let's get those Christian headchoppers back in the saddle!

To paraphrase 'Kill Bill', for what USArya has done, they deserve to die.

But as for your Neo-Marxist screed that the (USAryan) Empire is getting weaker and weaker, and Putin rides a White Unicorn Farting Rainbows, you need to lay off the vodka, comrade. All Putin is doing is protecting RU Mediterranean naval base, showing off to the arms buyers in Egypt flush with USAryan aid money, and everyone is probing everyone for the now inevitable Ukraine War, since the Dual-Citizen Israeli Junta has just failed to make their first junk bond loan repayment, and it's game on.

Posted by: AHammer | Oct 11 2015 9:21 utc | 111

99

Yeah, what red-blooded American wouldn't trade his/her high-dollar $100 for some Chinese yuan, or you know, the ruble, now there is a currency you want to own! And give me some Ipanema reals, while you're at it, barkeep, 'cause I wanna play the Swami rupee 'scheme'.

Yes, folks, hurry on down to CIPS-Mart!! Trade away your US$ life savings for any one of four, four, count 'em, of the most bankrupt, illiquid currencies on Earth. Hurry, hurry!!
And while you're at it, load up on CH tungsten doubloons, Chairman Mao needs your $100s!!

Posted by: AHammer | Oct 11 2015 10:18 utc | 112

On the John Helmer dispute

Helmer is an expert in the economic field in the fist place. Now look at this:
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/russia-syria-offshore-gas-deal-injects-new-factor-into-peace-talks

Russia-Syria Offshore Gas Deal Injects New Factor into Peace Talks, December 27, 2013
A December 25 accord signed between Syria and Russia allows for exploration and drilling in an area off the Syrian coast. If oil or natural gas is discovered, the state-controlled Russian group Soyuzneftegaz will have a controlling interest for twenty-five years. (...) However, the area [prospected] may conflict with Turkish claims around Cyprus ...
I don't want anyone to embrace the "It's all about oil" BS, it's mostly the other way, the rifts within an empire present themselves in the field of mining raw materials. It's kind of an index, in this case an index with a scale marked by "25 years".

More on this at
http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175961/
Mind the involvement of Russia in the Israeli - Lebanon - gas dispute and the illegal israeli drilling in occupied Golan. Lately Israel announced to have found oil reserves for 20 years of actual annual consumtion. Correct of false, would you announce a number like that if you were Israeli energy-minister?

To dig a little deeper read:
http://www.oxfordenergy.org/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/OEF-93.pdf
(from 2013)
Gazprom has already a stake in the most forthcoming exploitation of levantine gas fields, the Israeli projects of exporting from the Leviathan Block, either via Turkey of by LNG. At the same time Turkey chose to cooperate with Russian state corporations to develope its technology of gas and oil extraction, transport and processing (MoU's and contracts of 2013, you will easyly find references).

Posted by: TomGard | Oct 11 2015 10:33 utc | 113

addendum

Russian company begins oil prospecting off Syrian coast
By: Alex Wright, 22 September, 2015 - See more at: http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2015/9/22/russian-company-begins-oil-prospecting-off-syrian-coast#sthash.3esLj2yC.dpuf

Posted by: TomGard | Oct 11 2015 10:39 utc | 114

John Forbes Kerry said:

There was agreement that Syria should be a unified country, united, that it needs to be secular, that ISIL (Islamic State) needs to be taken on, and that there needs to be a managed transition

which apparently inspired b to say:

For a moment it looked as if the U.S. was giving up on violent "regime change" in Syria

lots of laughs.

one thing that really distinguishes Kerry from many other famous sociopaths and pathological liars is his lowish i.q...

...and he stands behind it.

Posted by: john | Oct 11 2015 11:11 utc | 115

@112

Yeah, what red-blooded American wouldn't trade his/her high-dollar $100 for some Chinese yuan, or you know, the ruble, now there is a currency you want to own!

The ones that don't even have a $100 would be a start. And how about all that confidence in the US banking system where people who actually do have money have to decide between crappy rates of return and FDIC coverage. How about that last Treasury auction where the yield on 3 month notes was zero but hey it was liquid and at least you'd get your money back. The only thing that made sense was tungsten investment. Armor piercing is definitely the wave of the future and hell the prices are depressed with all that green lighting crap.

Posted by: anon48 | Oct 11 2015 11:53 utc | 116

This Caspian Sea, Iran, Iraq, Syria missile route means that the ring of NATO's defense missile systems circling Russia has been broken, correct? So the equilibrium of nuclear deterrence is back, and US strategy of being able of a first strike dead for now.
It will be interesting to see what replaces ideology in Cold War II.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 11 2015 11:54 utc | 117

somebody 117

The dream of first strike was long over, the european "missile shield" just a political means to keep the distance of east and central european states from Germany.

Remains of the dream that might be vivid will soon be dwindled by new russian ICBM's whose MIRVS consists of nuclear cruise missiles similar to the hypersonic stages of the "Klub" - class.

Posted by: TomGard | Oct 11 2015 12:13 utc | 118

Iraqi air force hits convoy of Islamic State leader Baghdadi
"Iraqi air forces have bombed the convoy of the terrorist Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi while he was heading to Karabla to attend a meeting with Daesh commanders," the statement read, using the Arabic acronym for Islamic State.

The military said the air force bombed a location where Baghdadi was planning to meet Islamic States commanders.

"The location of the meeting was also bombed and many of the group's leaders were killed and wounded. Fate of murderer al-Baghdadi is unknown and he was carried away by a vehicle. His health condition is still unclear," the military said.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 11 2015 13:42 utc | 119

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/10/11/tell-washington-get-lost.html
Tell Washington to Get Lost
Finian CUNNINGHAM
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The US and NATO’s precise enumeration chimes with that of Turkey’s Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, who claimed that «only two out of 57 Russian air strikes in Syria» hit IS targets.

The question that the supine Western media should be asking the NATO chief and his Washington superiors is this: if you can so clearly quantify and delineate the IS and Al Qaeda bases, then why has the US-led coalition evidently been wasting 12 months bombing empty desert spaces instead of degrading and defeating these groups, as vowed by US President Barack Obama over a year ago?


Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 11 2015 14:02 utc | 120

#119

Sep 28, 2015 - "Russia, Iran, Iraq, and Syria to Share Intelligence on Islamic State ... Russian officials says the purpose of the agreement is to facilitate attacks..."

Seems to be working...

Posted by: Kraut | Oct 11 2015 14:06 utc | 121

To Penelope and others. John Helmer is a good read. He is also a frightful old gossip, and the gossipy nature is to get basic facts a little twisted towards the sensational, and stretch things as far as possible. So he really has to be taken with a smattering of salt on some matters. I always thought he was OK in his exposés of financial / economic matters (not that I can really judge, but links are provided, etc. and it usually makes sense in a larger context, which is why, I suppose, naked capitalism links to him ALL the time) but for details surrounding persons and intents he sometimes derails imho. I figured this out when he had posts about Kolomoisky and his troubles with the Swiss, which were all inaccurate, and not just trivially so. The kind of info you might get by calling your anglo-type buddy in finance in Zurich who hasn’t a clue and spouts…gossip.

There is obviously no way Putin would support ‘ethnic statelets’ in Syria..

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 11 2015 14:50 utc | 122

Wayoutwest is not totally off the mark. I am trying to make sense from the reports of changes in the control of the ground. Initially it seemed that the government gained quite a bit in Palmyra area, but the subsequent map is identical to the previous. The most it could be said is that the government became active in more places than before, but the actual control still seemed to go back and forth, by a mile or so. However, air campaign is not a perfect tool, and Russian campaign still seems smallish, if energetic.

I would theorize that a successful advance against a well armed, entrenched and experienced enemy would require (a) significant local advantage of ground troops (b) good reconnaissance, saturating the area with drones and devoting enough personnel to the analysis (c) good coordination of intelligence, air power and the ground troops. In a perfect world, this cannot be achieved in too many directions given the amount of Russian forces, and I read about "East Aleppo/Kuiweres", "West Aleppo/Research Institute", "North Hama", "North Homs", "Palmyra", "North Latakia", "Al Ghab Plains". Seven directions, two against ISIS. A charitable interpretation is that elements of good tactics were practiced in various directions, the training phase has to take some time, plus in none of the direction the government really lost, and the opposition was bled. More philosophical explanation would be that it took General Grant a year or more of bumbling before he converted his advantage in men and arms into a string of victories over the secessionists, so we should allow a few months here.

However, the latest news report a convincing advance at the junction of "North Latakia" and "Al Ghab plains" theaters, several miles in distance were gained over mountain terrain toward a key road junction of Jisr Al-Shougur. If this will be sustained, it may prove the ability of Russian escalation to tip the balance. First, it is not an easy ground. Second, it has a strategic sense. (In the parlance of Al Masdar, every position is "imperative", although occasionally they use "strategic", perhaps there are two writers of "features"). Strategically, defending the base may tie a lot of resources, and hits to the base can be most painful, and "Army of Conquest" would love to shower Russian air force in their base with missiles (they said so, and sent a few missiles with unreported results). Northern Latakia forces are in mountains, and supplied directly from Turkey. The most direct routes can be bombed, the most secure routes are probably further north where it is hard to bomb without impinging on Turkish border. Moving first at the junction of North Latakia and Idlib, and then mopping out North Latakia from "Army of Conquest" would make the base impregnable. So perhaps starting there makes most sense.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 11 2015 14:55 utc | 123

@119

Fate of murderer al-Baghdadi is unknown and he was carried away by a vehicle. His health condition is still unclear," the military said.

CIA's Al Baghdadi is a ghost-like presence whom turns up in the skin of any number of convenient Arab faces. Like Bin Laden, only more handsome.

Posted by: fast freddy | Oct 11 2015 15:04 utc | 124

@crone@86

excellent article up at zerohedge...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-10/carpe-chaos-isis-israel-iraq-syria-its-all-part-plan

A very good get, Crone. Hopefully Dan Sanchez's questions toward the end of the article about the ME future will not come to pass, the neocons never counted with Russia's intervention in Syria. A must read review of the region's past, assessment of the present dangers, and insights into the future.

Actually the original article was published at Antiwar.com.

Seize the Chaos

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Oct 11 2015 15:35 utc | 125

SANA - Two F16 aircraft belonging to the so-called US-led coalition violated the Syrian airspace on Saturday, targeting the infrastructure and destroying two power plants in al-Rudwaniya area to the east of Aleppo city, a military source said.

Seriously, this is what the U.S. has decided to do, destroy Syrian infrastructure? What pathetic little babies! "If we can't impose the Takfiris on Syria, we're gonna bomb its infrastructure to hell!"

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 11 2015 15:38 utc | 126

@111

But as for your Neo-Marxist screed that the (USAryan) Empire is getting weaker and weaker, and Putin rides a White Unicorn Farting Rainbows...

These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Russia wants to help to destroy ISIS and secure Syria (due to self-interest). Russia is demonstrating success in this area.
World Bank Empire claims that it wants to destroy ISIS (but it could never make a dent!) and it wants Assad deposed. "Regime change" in Syria is more important to World Bank Empire than destroying ISIS.

Now World Bank Empire is handing out weapons to anyone who wants them. As usual, these will end up with ISIS.

Now there is no military option for World Bank Empire which would not pit itself against Russia. That would be bad for everybody.

General Brzezinski - always itching to confront Russia militarily - might like to enlist local fighters in a World Bank Empire Army, but they'd probably chop off his head right away.

Zbigniew - The Headless Thompson Gunner

Posted by: fast freddy | Oct 11 2015 15:41 utc | 127

@okie farmer | Oct 11, 2015 9:42:33 AM re: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

Just reported by Elijah J. Magnier on twitter.....al-Baghdadi not killed....

https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/653217465632100352

Posted by: kafkananda | Oct 11 2015 15:53 utc | 128

@96

I seriously doubt those who perished in 9/11 are "turning in their graves" as people who worked in the WTC were probably the same type of people who think a bunch of crazy Mooslums with box cutters and atrocious flying skills pulled it off.

'Muricans aren't likely to stand up for anything until their smart phones stop working, cable goes out, the water stops flowing, and the store shelves are bare. Even then most will meekly line up for their bottled water from the Red Cross and take the FEMA busses out of town to the refugee centers.

Posted by: Eddie Slovik | Oct 11 2015 16:27 utc | 129

@109 penelope.. i wouldn't take what ben gurion dreamed of and substitute 'putin said'... i don't think that way.. thus, i do not read it the same way as you!

@123 noirette.. thanks.. your last line is how i see it too.. "There is obviously no way Putin would support ‘ethnic statelets’ in Syria.."

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2015 16:28 utc | 130

There is no such thing as "ethnic statelets". Former Yugoslavia leftover are client tenures for a mafialike political class and small strata of indigenous bourgeoisie. "Sunnitistan" might become similar to the "North West Tribal Territories".

Posted by: TomGard | Oct 11 2015 18:10 utc | 131

A short article about the "moderateness" of the "Southern Front" and it´s leaders trustworthiness:
http://radioyaran.com/2015/10/11/how-moderate-is-the-fsas-southern-front/

Posted by: KerKaraje | Oct 11 2015 19:01 utc | 132

@126 lw

Actually, the original was published by the author himself at http://www.dansanchez.me/feed/seize-the-chaos

Posted by: jfl | Oct 11 2015 19:30 utc | 133

@ all the John Helmer fans: that guy looks to me like a complete fabrication, including the typical agency name and the very fishy bio.

Can anyone of you actually point out something that proves he is a real person to begin with?

Posted by: zedz | Oct 12 2015 12:51 utc | 134

Add-on: just asking because pretty much all I ever read from him was concocted nonsense and propaganda for "sub-80 IQ" audience.

Posted by: zedz | Oct 12 2015 12:56 utc | 135

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