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September 01, 2015

Petraeus' Trial Ballon - "Let's Work With Al-Qaeda"

An ex-CIA boss, fired for divulging secrets to his lover, wants the U.S. to ally with al-Qaeda to defeat the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq.

The former commander of U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan has been quietly urging U.S. officials to consider using so-called moderate members of al Qaeda’s Nusra Front to fight ISIS in Syria, four sources familiar with the conversations, including one person who spoke to Petraeus directly, told The Daily Beast.

Petraeus is thus providing material support for a terrorist organization. Some judge should put him finally where he belongs.

The heart of the idea stems from Petraeus’s experience in Iraq in 2007, when as part of a broader strategy to defeat an Islamist insurgency the U.S. persuaded Sunni militias to stop fighting with al Qaeda and to work with the American military.

Yeah, because that worked so well. Many of those Sunni militias Petraeus temporarily bribed to not attack U.S. occupation forces in Iraq are now part of the Islamic State. So look up "What could possible go wrong" Volume 7 page 133 and you will find that any such alliance always ends in a worse situation. But that may the intent of Petraeus paymasters':

The concept of arming one purported enemy of the United States, which itself emerged out of a prior enemy (al-Qaeda in Iraq), in order to destroy the latest enemy ensures an environment of constant enemies, and thus warfare.

You may ask who gave Petraeus this lunatic idea? Well:

Neri Zilber @NeriZilber
Fwiw many in Israeli army-intel-media circles argue same thing as Petraeus re. Nusra.…

Indeed the Israeli military has been working with al Qaeda for quite some time. It enabled al-Qaeda in Syria to take over large parts of the Golan heights by providing it with healthcare as well as artillery support against the Syrian Arab Army.

Petraeus and Hillary Clinton early on argued for arming and supporting Syrian "rebels". Much of such arming and supporting has been going on clandestinely through the CIA which Petraeus then led. Since at least 2012 the CIA  trained and payed some 10,000 anti-Syrian fighters many of whom, with their CIA provided weapons, moved on to join Jabhat al-Nusra or the Islamic State.

The U.S. has also somewhat openly worked with al-Qaeda though so far mostly unofficially and through the Free Syrian Army proxies it provides with weapons:

Whereas these multinational operations rooms have previously demanded that recipients of military assistance cease direct coordination with groups like Jabhat al-Nusra, recent dynamics in Idlib appear to have demonstrated something different. Not only were weapons shipments increased to the so-called “vetted groups,” but the operations room specifically encouraged a closer cooperation with Islamists commanding frontline operations.

But it is one thing to work clandestinely with nefarious forces and a completely different issue to do so publicly. Just think of the legal implication. The Obama administration claims to have legal backing for fighting the Islamic State on the basis of the 2003 Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists which holds:

Joint Resolution [...] [t]hat the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

The Department of Defense usually uses the phrases "Al-Qaeda and associated forces" or "affiliated forces" when it describes those defined in the AUMF. How then can one legally claim to fight the Islamic State under the AUMF when an ally in that fight is the major enemy cited under said AUMF?

And what would be planned for the case that al-Qaeda would actually win?

There is no way that Obama would officially declare to work with al-Qaeda or "former" al-Qaeda forces to fight against the Islamic State. "You are either with us or against al-Qaeda" won't work. The public and Congress would rip him apart.

Petraeus and his handlers know this. But why then are they launching this trial balloon?

Posted by b on September 1, 2015 at 14:52 UTC | Permalink


Because of this

But in July, the US plan to create such a moderate force was humiliatingly knocked on the head when Jabhat al-Nusra attacked and kidnapped many of this US-trained force as they entered Syria from Turkey. It now seems certain that Nusra had been tipped off by Turkish intelligence about the movements of the US-backed unit known as “Division 30”. Turkey apparently did this because it does not want the US to have its own surrogate in Syria. According to an investigation by Mitchell Prothero of the McClatchy news organisation, citing many Syrian sources in Turkey, the Turkish motive was to destroy the US-run movement, which was intended to number 15,000 fighters targeting Isis. Its disintegration would leave the US with no alternative but to train Turkish-sponsored rebel groups whose primary aim is to topple Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad. The article quotes a Syrian rebel commander in the Turkish city of Sanliurfa, 30 miles north of the Syrian border, as saying that the Turks “don’t want anything bad to happen to their allies – Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham – along the border, and they know that both the Americans and the Syrian people will eventually recognise that there’s no difference between groups such as Nusra, Ahrar and Daesh.”

Posted by: somebody | Sep 1 2015 15:08 utc | 1

" But why then are they launching this trial balloon?"

That, would be a question best answered by S. Freud.

Posted by: ben | Sep 1 2015 15:11 utc | 2


Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | Sep 1 2015 16:12 utc | 3

It is nothing but a big hot air balloon with "madness" written on it.
Betrayus and his handlers are as loco as can be.

Posted by: slirs | Sep 1 2015 16:39 utc | 4


I vote for Orwell over Sigmund. But probably a lot of both. Harebrained lunatics! 'When Will They Ever Learn'.

Posted by: juannie | Sep 1 2015 17:04 utc | 5

I guess people get dazzled by all the coloured ribbons on his jacket.

Posted by: dh | Sep 1 2015 17:17 utc | 6

The U.S. has two foreign policies - one run by the State Department, and one run by the CIA.

State Dept gave up on the Syrian regime-change policy after failing with the bombing raid response to the alleged chemical weapons use. Later conceded that there are no "moderate" rebels. Sees ISIS as destabilizing and out-of-control.

CIA maintains Syria regime-change policy. Does not care who they affiliate with. Does not care about destabilization, and is comfortable with out-of-control. Ends justify means. The Petraeus Daily Beast trial balloon talks of "moderate rebels". Depends on passivity of American people and servility of US mainstream media.

CIA was given far too much power and ability to run own foreign policy at a large-scale. Much of this was consolidated under Petraeus' watch.

Posted by: jayc | Sep 1 2015 17:22 utc | 7

I can see Petraeus' proposal being popular. Get bad guys to fight bad guys has a nice simple ring to it.

Posted by: dh | Sep 1 2015 18:01 utc | 8

I think the USA needs another visit from Al Qaeda at home to wake up from their absurd illusion.

Posted by: Virgile | Sep 1 2015 18:15 utc | 9

@8 Yeah it sounds great, but people forget that often times the winner will come out on top even stronger than before. They think that the two groups will somehow miraculously kill each other, but thats just wishful thinking and doesnt usually happen.

Posted by: Massinissa | Sep 1 2015 19:07 utc | 10

@9 Last time we got a visit for Al Qaeda it was with government collusion. Im afraid AQ wont be visiting us again unless the powers that be think we need to be scared of terrorists/muslims again.

Posted by: Massinissa | Sep 1 2015 19:09 utc | 11

What an asshole. Oops, I mean General Asshole, sir.

So he suggests you use a former AmeriKan patsy to go after the current one, yes?
As long as the warmongers don't actually have to put boots on the ground themselves, we wouldn't want to tarnish the image of Barack Obama: Peacemaker, with the Nobel to back it up.

Posted by: farflungstar | Sep 1 2015 19:47 utc | 12

Like I mentioned a few months ago, the empire is getting more seriously involved in overthrowing the Syrian regime, in order to install their own far worse regime.
And if you're not going to send in your own US troops, then cutting deals with your friends in Al Qaeda, has to be part of the short-term mix.
Looking at one possibility, Using Al Qaeda to fight Isis is where the on ground battle in the short-term will happen, and that is why Petraus and many others are supporting Al Qaeda as its ground troops. Which means the U.S. Air Force will be Al Qaeda's Air force in Syria.

When Al Qaeda attacked the US's division 30 puppets, is that why the empires minions was so shocked at the attack ? Because they had plans that would benefit Al Qaeda ?

Posted by: tom | Sep 1 2015 20:46 utc | 13

So on the one side , he wants to see Assad go and on the other side why not give Israel some MOP.
Israeli hegemony in some parts of the ME.

Thus he is loyal to the people of Dennis Ross - does he have an Israeli girlfriend now?

Posted by: Yul | Sep 1 2015 21:13 utc | 14

Petraeus is thus providing material support for a terrorist organization. Some judge should put him finally where he belongs.
Some of that justice needs to be delivered to all of the CIA. Fat chance. The judicial branch has been backing the unitary executive - aka the CIA - to the hilt.

Posted by: jfl | Sep 1 2015 22:15 utc | 15

Well, I suppose if American politicians can be way-out-whacky and utterly out of touch with reality then there is no reason to act surprised when American Generals act equally as loonie-tunes.

After all, the Washington Beltway appears to have relocated itself to Bizarro Earth quite some time ago, and that world appears to be receding from Planet Earth at Warp Speed.

After all, the USA makes its own reality, right?

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 1 2015 22:21 utc | 16

@14 What a laughable article by Dennis Ross and General Keep-It-In-Your-Pants.

I love this euphemism:
"the Israelis would need the 30,000-pound massive ordnance penetrator (MOP) and the means to carry it"

Which we see again here:
"Providing the Israelis the MOP and the means to carry it"

and. the. means. to. carry. it.

Ross appears to believe (not without reason) that he might do well to disguise the nature of that "means to carry it", since the American public might just baulk at the idea of gifting to the IDF a squadron of planes that cost ONE BILLION DOLLARS EACH.

Oh, but there's more. Much more.

Those $1,000,000,000 boondoggles aren't just capable of carrying the MOP i.e. Ross is arguing that the USA *give* Israel a strategic bomber that would allow the IDF to launch nuke bombing runs anywhere up to 10,000km away from the Middle East, or to carpet-bomb Gaza with 18,000kg of high explosive with each and every sortie.

Yeah, that's certain to go well.....

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 1 2015 22:34 utc | 17

@17 Seems to me that Zionist supporters are trying to double down on their Israel support right now to make up for their loss fighting Obama on Iran.

Posted by: Massinissa | Sep 1 2015 22:53 utc | 18

There are so many questions, but one is already answered: "You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency? " Nope!

But the more intriguing question is "Just how stupid you are?"

What some people here missed, but Petraeus should know is that there is no clear separation between "ISIS", "al-Nusra" (al-Qaeda?), "Free Syrian Army" and so on. On one hand, each group has leaders, some ideology and so on. However, in the field, there is a pattern of defections, so I propose two terms "peripatetic jihadists" as they move from country to country and a movement to another movement, and "pet cobras", the relationship mistakenly described as "puppet". You can feed venomous snakes, you can breed them, you are strongly advised not to cuddle them, and biting the feeding hand should be assumed as a given (some have teeth that can pierce fairly thick gloves, and there is no easy way to predict when).

On the killing fields, survival is the first principle (among those who did). When iSIS has the upped hand, than there is a simple calculus: remaining a "moderate" will give you decent arms and other supplies through Jordanian border (in the case linked above), defecting to ISIS together with all the decent arms and ammo that you can grab can spare your life here and now. And this is a vicious/virtuous circle: as the largest group, ISIS can treat the boots as disposable and impose the most strict discipline, which gives good coordination of forces on the battlefield, allows for bold tactics and so on, and the weaker groups that cannot execute members willy-nilly when they do not follow orders or seem like plotting have inferior discipline and so on. In particular, FSA seemed to be at the bottom of the food chain, a loose collection of barely disciplined bands of brigands. With copious supplies you can increase the battle abilities and discipline, so they bleed attacking regime defenses, and then they succumb to ISIS, defecting with those supplies.

Actually, the bottom of the food chain are the "suppliers", Turks, Saudis, Americans and so on. Thus I would repeat the question: "Just how stupid you are?"

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 1 2015 22:53 utc | 19

@Yul 14

That's an amazing article at the JeffBezos/Amazon/CIA Post. The US is certainly making moves in the 'tactical' nuke direction. Perhaps the Israelis have got there first and just lack the delivery vehicle. Failing that the CIA can just give Al CIA-da a nuke or two. See where they set 'em off. Decide how to react from there.

Politico has the Israeli 5th column in congress failing even to bring their Iran sanctions-buster buster to a vote.

It looks to me like the Israeli 5th media-column's whistling past our common graveyard, no matter which way that particular vote breaks.

The Israeli 5th column in the US is only getting stronger, if more desperate. Samson feels he has nothing to lose ... or rather, having lost all restraint, is determined to loose everything.

Posted by: jfl | Sep 1 2015 22:58 utc | 20

Webster Tarpley has been all over this the last few weeks.

Posted by: Secret Agent | Sep 1 2015 23:10 utc | 21

Apparently the idea that ISIS is scary has made it into the minds of the military... and, like the posts above, Al-Qaeda is ISIS, or will be soon? Who knows, this tactic seems capable of sinking many ships, Europe, Russia, Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, perhaps that is the goal? US is the only safe place to invest/live etc.

This interview is totally and completely amazing... ISIS is successful...

With author, Abdel Bari Atwan, about his recently published book "Islamic State: The Digital Caliphate".

Posted by: Kim Sky | Sep 1 2015 23:26 utc | 22

More Chaos and balkanization of MENA states except for Israel are part and parcel of the Yinon Plan for Greater Israel.

The Petraeus "Al Qaida as Your Friend" Plan mirrors that of the Yinon Plan.

Posted by: fast freddy | Sep 2 2015 0:00 utc | 23

join forces with al qaeda to get rid of isis.. is that anything like joining forces with the state dept to get rid of the cia? who thinks this shit up? opps.. the military complex would be without a job if those mercenary groups that are funded by the usa gov't and their ''''allies''' ended any time soon.. general goofus can go fuck himself, and i wish he would take the msm with him while at it.

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2015 1:34 utc | 24

Is it still a trial balloon if it is something they already did three years ago?

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 2 2015 2:04 utc | 25

Maybe that should be, "have been doing for the past three years..."

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 2 2015 2:07 utc | 26

What is so ludicrous is that Petraeus' logic fails even the most cursory military analysis.

After all, he is advancing the "enemy of my enemy is my fried" argument, is he not?

An argument whereby ISIS is our Number One Enemy and, therefore, it is worthwhile holding your nose while extending a helping hand to anyone who will take ISIS on, no matter how unsavoury they might be.

Which leads Petraeus to advocate extending that helping hand to al-Qaeda, all the better to encourage them to kill ISIS for him.


If it is all-important to defeat ISIS - so much so that Petraeus is happy to ally himself with Very Unsavoury Characters Indeed - then I'd like to point his attention to that unsavoury character in the corner.

The one with the long neck and the too-beady eyes.

That's right, him.


Assad actually has a real army, and there can be no question that he regards ISIS with even more fear and loathing than Petraeus does.

In which case his willingness to go the extra yard to kill off ISIS for Petraeus' benefit is therefore obvious.

Unlike the case for al-Qaeda, who's "commitment" to the cause of ISIS-Eradication is, ahem, rather less self-evidently true.

So the very nature of Petraeus-logic(tm) should lead him to suggest an alliance with Assad, thereby helping the Syrian Army to kill *both* ISIS and al-Qaeda in a two-for-one deal.

Assad will certainly do that, and do it without hesitation.

And - let's be honest here - in Petraeus-world(tm) there is no point being squeamish about who you hop into bed with (I know, I know.... boom-boom!).

What is more is that you'll be giving the tools of the trade to someone who has never, ever, ever attacked the United States of America, nor ever expressed the slightest wish to do so.

Unlike some other unsavoury characters that Petraeus appears to be favouring, who have something of a track-record of doing exactly that.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 2 2015 6:08 utc | 27

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 2, 2015 2:08:42 AM | 27

Yeah, right, it is obvious in Petraeus logic.

Assad defeating Al Qaeda and ISIS would mean no need for counter terrorism which is Petraeus' job.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 2 2015 8:26 utc | 28

Posted by: jayc | Sep 1, 2015 1:22:26 PM | 7

Add to this US policy to outsource the running of the empire to the old European colonial powers, France and Britain in Libya, Turkey in Syria, Germany in the Balkans and Ukraine. All these countries have - conflicting - approaches of their own. And their public does not support what is done in their name.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 2 2015 8:49 utc | 29

Posted by: Kim Sky | Sep 1, 2015 7:26:06 PM | 22

Abdel Bari Atwan is an interesting journalist. I would very much like to read an interview on his memoirs.

On the economics of writing about Al Qaeda/ISIS versus Palestine

AA: My al-Qaida books were very very successful. For example, the first one was translated into 32 languages. But when I wrote my memoirs, no American publisher wanted to touch it. They said no way, they don’t want anybody to write about Palestine. It’s unbelievable, even the media here; I didn’t have a single review in a major newspaper.

With The Secret History of al-Qaida, for example, it was reviewed by everybody ....
When it comes to America, they shut their door completely – my publisher did their best. But when I came out with my third book, After bin Laden: al-Qaida, the Next Generation, immediately they [clicks fingers].

We [Palestinians] are not human [to them]. We are terrorists, guerrillas, suicide bombers, yeah that’s fine, fantastic. But if you want to tell a human story, my story in the refugee camp, they don’t want it.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 2 2015 9:23 utc | 30

Betrayus is trying to crack-spread the semantic difference between the alliance that #JohnMcCainArmedandFundedISIS funded and armed, Al Nusra and The Caliph, in his secret meeting with them last year in July in Western Syria, escorted into the country by Mossad and their assets. It's just business, get over it.

Now funding Al Nusra makes McCain a war criminal, it's as simple as that, since, as you point out, USAryans were 'at war' with AQ/AN. Funding ISIS, though, would just be, as McCain quipped, "I didn't know who was at that meeting,' and neither Obama nor Congress nor the Joint Chiefs have yet stated ISIS is an 'enemy'.

Betrayus and McCain are like Bush the Lesser and Dicky Bird Cheney, they always have their lawyers with them, and like Hillary, are constantly parsing and hectoring and rounding the corners of the square of what 'is' a war crime is.

Crack-spreading Al Nusra away from ISIS and merging them with Al Qa'ida as a new USAryan 'ally' against Assad, is War Department's Wet Dream of A Thousand Years.

Know you know what the world would've been like if the Nazis had won. They did.

Posted by: Chipnik | Sep 2 2015 11:02 utc | 31


While Betrayus slept in post-coital lethargy with his Mossad-asset and prostitute-journalist girlfriend, they implanted a control device just behind his right ear. You can tell the Implanted Ones, when they stand and shriek their dark insane lunacy.

That we are here, 14 years later now -$18 trillion in synthetic illegal odious collateral gambling debts transferred to the Public Treasury, which also rebuilt the World Trade Center, jibber-jabbering about another traitor who got off scot-free is an absolute sin against human kind.

Posted by: Chipnik | Sep 2 2015 11:24 utc | 32

Obama's Iran Deal Will Survive As 34th Senator Announces Support

Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) gives the president the votes he needs to beat back legislation to kill the deal.

Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 2 2015 15:18 utc | 33

AlCIAda;Friends now and friends then;9-11-01.Israel and the Saudis,the alliance of Hades.
At the INDY,they have a story about Jewish madrassas(sic)inculcating 3 and 4 year olds with;The goyim are evil.Even one year olds washing up on beaches,dead.
Betraeus reminds me of Ash Carter, fools in the rain of history,with eyes that betray their idiocy.Hey,Condaleeza Rice is a college football bowl official.And ESPN says her great accomplishments.My God,the utter depravity of American poohbahs.ESPN is owned by the Zionist ABC,btw they own everything except the American mind,which will surprise them one day,with its independence from Zion and its serial lies.
The misting at Auschwitz reminds the Zionists of the showers.
A colossal scam.

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 2 2015 16:31 utc | 34

Chipnik @ 32: WILL, book-mark your last link, Thanks.

Like the way you roll.

Posted by: ben | Sep 2 2015 20:07 utc | 35

One of the new movers and shakers who are ready to blow up the ME to 'save' it:
A scary addition...

Posted by: GoraDiva | Sep 2 2015 22:12 utc | 36

"The misting at Auschwitz reminds the Zionists of the showers." Sounds like you're ready to fire 'em up.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 2 2015 22:45 utc | 37


(Meeting with Brzezinski and Albright - Ambassador to the UAE) - A bald, handsome 40-year-old with an extravagant air of self-assurance, he argued that the hands-off approach had only emboldened ISIS and other extremist groups.

Yes, the "hands-off" approach is a big problem. Insufficient quantity of cowbell and severely lacking in "hands- on".

The Yinon Plan can never be mentioned. HuffPo is a sick joke.

Posted by: fast freddy | Sep 2 2015 22:54 utc | 38


Gee, Once he finally outed his little zionist self, Rufie turned into a right little Zionist motormouth, didn't he?

Posted by: blockquote | Sep 2 2015 22:59 utc | 39

Anyway, David Petreaus.

Yeah. . . . . despite whatever personal perception you may have, and public appearance to the contrary, he's been running this covert and not-so-covert Dirty War I hear they been having in around that whole Syria/Iraq area.


But you all knew that, right?

Posted by: blockquote | Sep 2 2015 23:07 utc | 40

I mean, they're not that dumb. They're trying to work something out here which is, IMHO, this failed state in the area between Shia Iraq/Iran and the Shia in the Levant all in the hopes of crushing Hezbollah in particular and Arab resistance to the ever more indefensible and fascist state of Israel.

So, in that case, getting one fake boogey man to fight your other fake boogey man (both of which you inflate and deflate at will with money and arms) is quite a typical plan for the CIA.

The only hard part is convincing your citizens that the people who you just convinced them killed 3000 of their fellow citizens on "the day that changed everything" are odious indeed, but are worthy allies when you're fighting a bunch of child-sex-slaving-antiquities-smashers, rite? With social media and the most rigidly controlled press ever seen, it should be a cinch.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 3 2015 2:44 utc | 41

in re 39 --

Frankly, I've finally gotten bloody fucking sick and tired of the casual anti-semitism that all too often passes as "commentary" here.

As an atheist and proletarian internationalist, I'm not good zionist material. I think "Jew-lover" is the slur y'all are looking for. I have friends and family that are Jews, and I'd prefer to keep them safe and sound, if you don't mind.

Ready for the hatred and derision in 3... 2... 1... If I may paraphrase another Jew-lover, FD Roosevelt, "I am hated by malefactors of great bile, and I welcome their hatred."

We are known by our enemies. I'm quite proud of mine. Shalom!

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 3 2015 3:02 utc | 42

Its lunatic planning on the surface however on Al Jazera englander this morning (well I gotta watch some TV to surface 4 the day and like the old playboy AJ has really good articles (well docos) even if their 'news' is generally the same old neo-liberal shit whose anglophilia makes it cloyingly foul) AJ news was pushing hard for this Syria peace plan which fukus want to put to the Russians at the security council. The plan - only in draft form the talking head re-emphasised every 5 seconds is for President Assad to remain as president in name but all executive functions moved to a coalition of the current government and the US backed alleged 'moderates' amongst the opposition. The new coalition oversees an election.

Since that is fukus' opening position it doesn't take much to see that they will settle for Prez Assd retaining much of his existing executive power. The real skirmishes will be fought over the elections - fukus will be wanting a format they can rig, Ba'ath and Russia not so much.

There is genuine fear in the liberal interventionist camp that the sight of 10 year old kids speaking from among thousands of Syrian refugees getting their heads bashed by Hungarian police is having an undesirable effect on the masses in Europe.
This one kid has been saying "Stop cranking Syrians up to fight each other and we'll all go home". A powerful message but possibly stage managed I dunno, the kid does speak the truth though, since most of the refugees are fleeing war zones that were created by the fukusi mob.

The thing that gets me about this, that aside from the horrific deaths which are preventable if the EU quits trying to harass the refugees at sea, the numbers of refugees are not that great - under 300,000 over the last 12 months, when even sleazy old amerika takes more than a million illegals from Latin America in the same period to be absorbed into a smaller total population. Nevertheless Englander media is depicting it as a huge shock horror invasion by people who aren't white most of whom follow the Islamic superstition and not the western controlled and mandated xtian load of old cobblers. "The refugee crisis"

Meanwhile old Angela sees the 'crisis' as an ideal opportunity to demonstrate that she doesn't hate all people who aren't 100% Aryan - just the Greek ones, by 'welcoming' Syrian refugees likely in the hope that the arrival of 100,000 humans desperate to work will aid her efforts to 'deregulate' the German labour market. Of course when Germans get upset about falling real wages she'll brand those who try to alert the population as racist and cruel. An old ploy but a highly effective one.

It is pssible Petraeus' craziness is simply part of a good old amerikan squeeze play whereby Russia and Ba'ath are pressured into accepting a bad deal to avoid a worse one. I don't see it working although there is no doubt Syrians are feeling deserted by most of the world and at risk of things getting much worse.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 3 2015 3:10 utc | 43

Debs is dead @43: Great take!

Bearing in mind that the US has been funding and supplying Al Qaeda in Syria for three-plus years already, Petraeus in fact is not proposing that we fund/supply Al Qaeda but simply that we recognize long-standing reality.

His job may be to make the 'extreme' proposal, so that others can come in and look moderate by proposing that we definitely do not never never never fund/supply Al Qaeda, but instead that we fund terrorist armies that are Al Qaeda in all but name. Be what you wanna be terrorist/mercenary friends and you'll have all the riches the Gulf dictators can shower on you, but 'Al Qaeda' can't be part of your name.

On the other hand, that's been tried before and then Al Nusra started cannibalizing dead prisoners ...

Posted by: fairleft | Sep 3 2015 3:51 utc | 44

"Frankly, I've finally gotten bloody fucking sick and tired of the casual anti-semitism that all too often passes as "commentary" here."
Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 2, 2015 11:02:51 PM | 42

If you haven't been to "Israel" or skimmed If Americans Knew (bless her great big, unselfish, heart) and discovered what Jews are doing to Palestinians, in Palestine, then you don't know the meaning of the term "anti-semitic" and have certainly forfeited the right to lecture Goyim about "anti-semitism".

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 3 2015 4:27 utc | 45

I know all about what Israel has done in Gaza. I know they steal land, houses, water, destroy olive trees, cut villages in two. They permit the settlers to brutalize Hebron and other cities. I recall Sabra and Shatila.

I have every fucking right. So piss off, mate.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 3 2015 4:47 utc | 46

And I can tell you, from casual remarks that people make, not knowing my background and views, anti-semitism remains a problem in this country. For example, I had a co-worker remark that I'm going bald "like a jew." The Klan hated Jews and Catholics almost as much as blacks, those all-American prejudices remain with us.

My family covers all three, I have mixed race grand-nieces and -nephews. The eldest starts college as a pre-med student on a full scholarship, I'm proud to say.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 3 2015 4:58 utc | 47

Spare me the bathos. It rings very hollow coming from a long-winded, eerily inept, wannabe bon vivante whose tireless self-obsession made him instrumental in his own ambush. That's dumbfuckery writ large, Rufus. Still, there's always Chutzpah to fall back on, isn't there?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 3 2015 5:43 utc | 48

Like I said, quite the little Zionist motormouth, since unmasking himself

Rufie, with his pro-jew/anti-goy racism, trying to grab some victim hood for his self on the back of his alleged ancestry. Priceless.

Posted by: blockquote | Sep 3 2015 6:48 utc | 49

Spare me the bathos. It rings very hollow coming from a long-winded, eerily inept, wannabe bon vivante whose tireless self-obsession made him instrumental in his own ambush.

Yeah, that was rather ironic, weren't it? I guess his smug self satisfaction was fated to trip him up sooner rather than later.

that's dumbfuckery writ large, Rufus.

Hence me dubbing him "The "Clown Posse" -why am I always the first to see this stuff?

still, there's always Chutzpah to fall back on, isn't there?

Or in Zio-Rufie's case, just plain ol lying will suffice, if yer a bit short on chutzpah.

osted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 3, 2015 1:43:15 AM | 48

Posted by: blockquote | Sep 3 2015 6:54 utc | 50

"As an atheist and proletarian internationalist, I'm not good zionist material."


All too common a character isn't it? It must have something to do with how they were raised.

I doubt there is a single person reading these comments who could care any less about your family. It's bizarre how you brought them into it and invited people to hate them. "Us" all-American Klansmen reading this blog are just frustrated at the total Yankee support, at our expense, of a regime who's intolerable crimes you have partially listed. I notice that you didn't add 'providing material support for takfiri lunatics' to that list.

Posted by: tamlin | Sep 3 2015 7:01 utc | 51

@18 "@17 Seems to me that Zionist supporters are trying to double down on their Israel support right now to make up for their loss fighting Obama on Iran."

Very possibly, but if I were Obama I'd take up half of Dennis Ross' very cunning idea i.e. I'd give Israel the Massive Ordinance Penetrator, but I wouldn't give them "the means to deliver it".

Then sit back and laugh as the IDF tries to strap those beauties to the wings of an Israeli F-15 (the wings would snap off), or mount it on the centreline rack of an F-16 (hard to get into the air when your wheels don't touch the ground).

After all, they are supposed to be Smarter Than Everyone Else.

So let's see them solve the riddle of "delivering" a 30,000lb bomb when the best they have can't lift bombs bigger than 2,000lb.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 3 2015 7:15 utc | 52

I have every fucking right. So piss off, mate.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 3, 2015 12:47:35 AM | 46

Yes, after all he said he has "some a dat dere jew blood in me", or some such nonsense, earlier.

So, of course, he feels he has "every right"

Exceptionalism, dontchya know

Posted by: blockquote | Sep 3 2015 8:23 utc | 53


That should read

    "every fucking right"

[My emphasis]

Sorry bout that, Rufie.

Would hate to misquote ya

Posted by: blockquote | Sep 3 2015 8:31 utc | 54


First Huffpost, then Breitbart, and now Politico are behind a Facebook Firewall.
All anti-left comments are purged by Huffpost, all anti-right comments are purged by Breitbart, and the 'moderate' Politico middle is just the same circle-jerk paid Israeli trolls, serving to pitch to both sides of all debates in a classic controlled-dissent brainwashing, ...with one ring to rule them all, Zuckerberg's, one cloud to parse their biometric-database from all of your onerous comments and sign-up personal identity information and all of your prurient WhatsApp sexts, so that the FBI, CIA and Homeland Security can mine them, like they do with Twitter, and no doubt soon, Amazon.

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother!”

Posted by: Chipnik | Sep 3 2015 8:54 utc | 55

you never hear the anti semites mouthing off in israel....too dangerous,so instead they do it online,much safer.i did hear of one american who got pissed and started shouting heil hitler in a bar in one paid him much attention.

Posted by: mcohen | Sep 3 2015 9:08 utc | 56


Boeing has already rebuilt all the Israeli fighter-bmobers with nuclear launch rails, (WSJ, 2011) and Obama/Hagel has already sold and delivered to Israel nuclear bunker busters that fit those rails, in-flight refueling tankers and stealth technology to deliver them (FAS, 2013).

Germany has also sold Tel-Aviv several Dolphin-Class submarines capable of launching nuclear cruise missiles, after running into position silently submerged beneath some Kuwaiti-bound oil-tanker through the Persian Gulf.

So the ONLY thing stopping Bibiשטן is the ZiAEA was unable to extort Iran with those war-crime economic sanctions into allowing GPS-enabled inspectors to target the Iranian research bunker entrances (as they did before OIF), and as long as Assad remains in power with his military, down-range (reflected bounce) radars can detect even 'stealth' flyovers well in advance to alert the Iranian military readiness response.

I predict that $150 billion (or whatever) the ZiMF and ZiECB feeding frenzy unleashes into Iran for increased trade with Israel's former-Soviet Russian mafia cronies will be closely watched by Tel Aviv, not to spot a few re-outfitted Hezbullah fighters leaving for the Western Front, but to spot a renewed delivery of more centrifuge equipment to those hidden bunkers, and to triangulate all their SIGINT chatter.

You'll know Tel Aviv has those coordinates when a final push on Damascus begins, and US CIA/State starts pulling its embassy staff out of Ashgabat, before glowing radiation clouds sweep across the Ahal Plain and up over the Kopet Dag.

"We won, you lost. It's just business, get over it."

Posted by: Chipnik | Sep 3 2015 9:35 utc | 57


Your problem, and Rufus' problem, is YOUR problem, your Tribal Problem, not ours.

Israel is NOT a Jewish State, no matter how much the super-minority former Soviet Likudnim wish that it were. Bibiשטן, that Great Shaytan of 'Two State Solution' only garnered 24% of the Israeli vote, making him just a secular Xtian-hating war criminal oligarch, and so just as fair game to criticize as that dual-citizen Israeli fascist Poroshenko, junta'ing it up in his Banderastani Berchtesgaden.

The US Constitution protects race, religion or creed from H8-speak, but not rogue states, and not war criminals, whatever their stripe, and we won't be deterred by legions of Tel Aviv paid-trolls, and Zuckerberg's Full Spectrum cloud dominance, from watching and waiting, then spoiling their Evil Axis 'Final Solution'.

Otherwise, if some Likudnim war criminal with only 24% of the Israeli vote can control the foreign policy of 350,000,000 USAryans, and despoil the birthplace of civilization in MENA, a civilization that existed when proto-Israelis were just indigent goat herders, let's be honest, then we might as well drop the Big One.

Posted by: Chipnik | Sep 3 2015 9:53 utc | 58

Chipnik --

I speak not of the the US Constitution, I speak of the Englightenment's ideas behind the Declaration, the universal inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Should there be a nuclear exchange or merely another conventional war, it's everybodies problem.

B'head, Horsy -- Thanks for the snot and cheetos. "Ambush" is an interesting term, lying in wait for the unsuspecting. Like you say, I have every FUCKING RIGHT.

tamlin -- I invited no ones hatred, but knew I more of it was coming. I'm not jewish, strictly goy. I have cousins who are though. Like I fucking care about what a bunch of anti-semitic bloviators think.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 3 2015 11:35 utc | 59


really,on your shoulder or off the old block,it makes no difference .

if out of 6,363,762 or so israeli,s there is only 10 is enough

if there is only 1 jew is enough

to declare israel a jewish state.

as you know many empires have tried to declare the land of israel as there state but none have suceeded

ever wonder why

Posted by: mcohen | Sep 3 2015 12:17 utc | 60

@57 Chipnik: "Boeing has already rebuilt all the Israeli fighter-bmobers with nuclear launch rails, (WSJ, 2011)"

Rather an exercise in pointlessness, since those nukes that the Israelis do possess are of indigenous design.
So fitting "rails" on an Israeli F-15 so that it can launch American-designed nukes is not going to be much help to anyone.

Chipnik: "and Obama/Hagel has already sold and delivered to Israel nuclear bunker busters that fit those rails,"

Utter nonsense.

Bunker-busters, sure.

NUCLEAR bunker busters, bollocks.

Chipnik: "plus in-flight refueling tankers and stealth technology to deliver them (FAS, 2013). "

Nope and.... nope.

But, hey, thanks for playing.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 3 2015 12:29 utc | 61

. I'm not jewish, strictly goy. I have cousins who are though. Like I fucking care about what a bunch of anti-semitic bloviators think.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 3, 2015 7:35:10 AM | 59

My apologies for mis-quoting you, Zio-Rufie.

I shoulda said . . .

    Yes, after all he said he has "some a dat dere jew blood in me", "we done married into some jew blood, way back,

    So ye see, it's gefilte fish and smoked kippahs fer Sabbath 'n Seders for me, from now on! Yumm Yumm."

. . . or some such nonsense, earlier.

So, of course, he feels he has "every fucking right"

"Inherited-Exceptionalism"-by-Proxy Syndrome, dontchya know

Posted by: blockquote | Sep 3 2015 14:42 utc | 62

Of course it could be a fiendishly-virulent case of Full-On Münchhausen's!!!

Posted by: blockquote | Sep 3 2015 14:49 utc | 63

Just today, David Petraeus spoke in Australia today, encouraging the government to send fighter aircraft to Syria against ISIS "...and, by the way, Jabhat al-Nusra, the Al Qaeda affiliate, the Khorasan group established to try to project terrorism into Europe and the United States."

Compare this to his recent claim that he wants to work WITH al Nusra. My guess is that he fears Australians will fail to make the distinction between 'good' jihadists and 'bad' ones and he is forced to temporarily disown them.

He's also thrown in the Khorosan group, a propaganda tag to be used for any expanded war against Iran since Khorosan is a region within Iran (Iran, of course, is Shia and the Syrian jihadists are all Sunni but we'll fudge that factor at the right time.)

Hi ho, Hi ho. It's off to Tehran we go.

Posted by: damien | Sep 3 2015 15:33 utc | 64

oh quick

change the subject, its "whack-a-mole demian"!

Well done.

Posted by: blockquote | Sep 3 2015 15:39 utc | 65

Excuse the interjection but it seems like damien is getting back to the subject.

Posted by: dh | Sep 3 2015 15:47 utc | 66

If things had gone as planned Petraeus would be leading the Republican Presidential race as the Reluctant Warrior 'called' to lead his country in its time of need. His indiscretions and security breaches and general stupidity doomed that plan and now his rehabilitation has begun.

The idea of bribing some sheiks and hangers-on away from al-Nusra is pathetic and I doubt anyone important is listening but it makes good PR to impress the rubes. His brilliant military Anbar Awakening was a payola scam that lasted only as long as the money flowed and the US left the country.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Sep 3 2015 17:09 utc | 67

in re 62 --

Well no anti-semitism there. It was all Kosher. Or Halal. They're both basically the same.

While I lean toward Mid-Atlantic comfort food (cheese steaks, scrapple), Indian and Chinese, I do like a bagel with a schmear.

Munchausen? Sympathy from trolls? I don't think you capable of it. But I do feel sorry for your sad little self, being all hat and no cattle.

Innkeeper, a round of Manischevitz for the house! I'll go with Red, but I think most will go for the White.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 3 2015 22:52 utc | 68

"Well no anti-semitism there. It was all Kosher. Or Halal. They're both basically the same."

You Tell 'em, Rufie!!!

F those MoFo'ing Anti-Semite Anti-Zionists !!


Them with their pedal-to-da-metal "Drivin us into the sea!" shenanigans!!!

Posted by: blockquote | Sep 3 2015 23:26 utc | 69

I'm more of an Anti Semi-Zionite-snob, muhself

Posted by: blockquote | Sep 3 2015 23:32 utc | 70

lebanon is next,

Posted by: mcohen | Sep 4 2015 11:46 utc | 71


ah yes, poor terrified & thirsty Zionists kept awake worrying at night by the terrifying sound of Lebanon's Litani River driving itself into the sea!

Posted by: href | Sep 4 2015 12:44 utc | 72


a million laughs!

The waters of the Litani both originate and flow entirely within the borders of Lebanon...After heading south parallel to the Syrian border, as the Litani nears northern Israel, the course of the river bends dramatically westward. Near this bend, the Litani comes within five km of the Hasbani River and four km from the Israeli border(wiki)

the 'obsequent' river

Posted by: john | Sep 4 2015 13:18 utc | 73

Hey, they could perhaps bring old Osama bin (gone a long time) Laden back from the 'dead' (aka his 5-star Saudi post-disappearance retreat) to lead the show! Afghanistan Revisited.....

Posted by: x | Sep 4 2015 13:45 utc | 74

Al-Qaeda Seizes North Syria Airbase, Over 100 Troops Killed

The loss of the airbase puts the Syrian military even more on the defensive in the northwest, and gives al-Qaeda a more or less straight shot to the coast in Latakia. The military is similarly losing ground elsewhere in the country to ISIS, with less and less territory abroad.

The USA is certainly supporting Al CIA-da/Al Nusra/ISIS in Syria. Gen. Betrayus has just 'sanitized' that fact. Oceania and Al CIA-da have always been allied in their war with EurAsia. And who dares say otherwise?

Posted by: jfl | Sep 11 2015 0:45 utc | 75

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