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September 05, 2015

Under Fight-Against-ISIS Disguise "West" Prepares To Openly Attack Syria

Updated below

The German chancellor Merkel called for a migrant avalanche when she declared Germany an open house and disbanded the Dublin agreement on asylum seeker in Europe. A media campaign followed and thousands of migrants from Syria are now shepherded through Europe by dozens of journalists who record every move for tonight's news - fake photos (in German) included. No one is asking the migrants why they are now leaving Turkey, where most have been the last months or years, or who now provided them with money.

I asked what purpose this media campaign may have. It now seems clear that it is part of preparing the European public for all-out war on Syria, its government and its people.

The Guardian editors use the created migrant crisis to demand that "something" be done. They ridiculously first remind us that the false "no-fly-zone" campaign against Libya ended in a country ripped apart and more refugees only to then demand a similar campaign in Syria. Saner British voices remind us that "western" meddling in the Middle East is the source, not the solution for the current catastrophes.

But the BBC lets us know that the UK government is preparing for war on Syria despite an earlier parliament vote against such a move:

Ministers will start to make a case for British military action in Syria next week - with Downing Street keen to take the "next step" against so-called Islamic State - the BBC understands.

France is, of course, on board:

Europe’s refugee crisis, largely caused by vast numbers of people fleeing the civil war in Syria, the failure to push back Islamic State and a rising presence of Russia in the region may prompt a change in policy, Le Monde reported, saying Hollande discussed the issue with his defence team at a meeting on Friday.

The campaign will be "led" by the U.S. and it will not be against the Islamic State. The U.S. let the Islamic State rise in a willful decision and its current bombing campaign against IS is less than halfhearted at best. It is also holding back the Shia militia in Iraq from attacking the Islamic State in Ramadi and Fallujah. The coming attack will be against the Syrian government and its people with the Islamic State and the "refugee crisis" only being the convenient pretext.

To add to the artificial urgency to bomb now, now, now a rumor campaign was started to claim that Russia is sending lots of fighter planes and troops to Syria. There were "reports" of new Russian fighter jets arriving in Syria even though none were ever seen. A normal move of material transport for the Syrian army by Russian ships which have happened regularly over the last years is now suddenly hyped. Old social media pictures of a few Russian soldiers in Syria ore even fake ones are suddenly "found" and presented as "evidence" of somehow nefarious Russian intent. The Russians denied any move of fighter jets or troop contingents to Syria.

The Russians also held talks with various Syrian opposition figures and with several of Syria's neighbor countries. Putin has voiced a new plan that would include Syria and Russia into an anti-Islamic State campaign and thereby sabotage the U.S. regime change plans:

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has agreed to early parliamentary elections and to share some power with his opponents, a concession that may facilitate a broader international coalition against Islamic State, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

Russia would consider participating in the coalition and the Russian president has already discussed the issue with U.S. President Barack Obama, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi, Putin told reporters in Vladivostok on Friday. Russia has been pushing for a wider campaign against Islamic State that would include Assad, something the U.S. and Europe have opposed.

The U.S. has not issued any official response to the plan. It would of course make a lot of sense to have the Syrian government and Russia included in any real steps against the Islamic State. By publicly announcing the plan Russia shows that the U.S. is indeed not interested in really fighting the Islamic State but follows its long term plans to destroy Syria.

Putin also denied the rumored troop movements:

“It’s too early” to talk about Russian military action in Syria, though “we are considering various options,” Putin said. Russia is actively helping the Assad government with weapons and military training, he said.

I regard Putin's "considering various options" as a warning clause. But I do not expect that Russia would fully engage in Syria. Russia correctly fears another "Afghanistan trap" laid by the U.S. But there might be other options available for Russia to beef up Syria's air defense or to otherwise sabotage U.S. attack plans. For now sowing fears and doubt into U.S. planning is the best way to proceed.


The State Department just released this Readout of Secretary Kerry's Call With Foreign Minister Lavrov:

The Secretary called Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov this morning to discuss Syria, including U.S. concerns about reports suggesting an imminent enhanced Russian military build-up there. The Secretary made clear that if such reports were accurate, these actions could further escalate the conflict, lead to greater loss of innocent life, increase refugee flows and risk confrontation with the anti-ISIL Coalition operating in Syria.

The two agreed that discussions on the Syrian conflict would continue in New York later this month.

Would "risk confrontation with the anti-ISIL Coalition operating in Syria". Exactly. And that makes some folks in the White House and Pentagon really nervous.

So nervous that Kerry offers more "discussions".

"Hey Sergey, you can't be serious. Oh, you are? Please let's talk."

Posted by b on September 5, 2015 at 15:40 UTC | Permalink

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America needs a president like Donald Trump to lead it out of this mess. Considering your assessment, what does the Iran Nuclear Deal portend for Iran? Perhaps a trap and pretext for an attack in five years or so when Iran most assuredly is in violation of the deal? I mean, if America would stoop to such underhanded tactics with Syria, imagine what it would do, and perhaps has already done, with Iran which is a much more formidable foe.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Sep 5 2015 15:55 utc | 1

Thanks to the depravity in DC, USA will always have 'options' for Iraq, ranging from economic deals in an attempt to butt out Russia/China to soft/hard warfare waged on it.

Posted by: vvvvv | Sep 5 2015 16:24 utc | 2

There is no reason to "prove" anything, Russia is already present and has legitimate reasons to be there. They are invited by the Syrian government, the US and it´s vassals is certainly not.

This is also exactly the scenario which the Syrian-Iranian defence-pact would cover isn´t it? An obvious US all-out-war a´la Libya and a man-hunt on Assad could eventually ignite the powder keg of Iran closing the Persian Gulf.

Posted by: mia | Sep 5 2015 16:39 utc | 3

You can't dismiss the increased diplomacy in the past few weeks. With king of Jordan and Saudi kings visiting Russia, the Saudi king going to the U.S., Cameron increasing the rhetoric on joining the coalition, Australia encouraging other European countries to join in and of course France stating it will start bombing in Syria. That's way too much chatter on the diplomacy front. Then the creme de la creme, this massive refugee influx from Turkey that is preceded by a massive media campaign about the need to do something.
I suspect Putin understands all this and started making his own rumours to show he is going to stand by.
My guess is that king of Jordan and the Saudi king went to Russia as a last ditch effort to make Putin stand down and to let him know they will be moving against Syria soon. I also think Obama is not supporting this plan which is why the patriots have been withdrawn as a warning to Jordan, Turkey and the Saudis, you're on your own.
So the question is really, when. And how big. Can it be contained to Syria or will Iran throw itself in. Will Israel not use the opportunity to move against hizbullah...things could get messy.

Posted by: Brad a | Sep 5 2015 16:45 utc | 4

That should say, Putin is not going to stand by watching.

Posted by: Brad a | Sep 5 2015 16:47 utc | 5

Don't overlook the destabilisation of Lebanon's government (and the Hezbollah support base for Syria's Assad) over garbage. Unusual timing to close down the city's dump, middle of summer, no alternative site designated. Cunning at its Baldrick's best.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 5 2015 16:58 utc | 6

With the first rains and the cold, the 'avalanche' of refugees will stop like magic. France and the UK are counting on that and delaying their decision to open their doors until the weather changes. Anyway France is safe, it has a bad reputation with the asylum seekers!
The "guests" stuck in "welcoming" Turkey with zero rights who have not used the summer season to make use of the money-greedy Turkish passers to run away, will remain stuck in hi-tech Turkish camps, the pride of Erdogan, with the possible visit of Angelina Jolie as an entertainment.
They will move next summer.

Posted by: Virgile | Sep 5 2015 17:01 utc | 7

or are they talking tough knowing that their citizens are unlikely to support this "intervention" (the migrants being an attempt to get those citizens to believe they have "skin in the game") -- as Obama did a couple of years ago ... only to have congress and the American people not only refuse to go along with intervention in Syria but to block him acting without their approval.

As must be repeated endlessly, a "war" isn't going to solve the refugee problem, short term or even likely longer term ... removing Assad will not cast a magic spell and render ISIS complacent. The almost inevitable "war on ISIS" could easily morph into GWIII as Iraqi Sunnis and god-knows other Sunnis travel to fight the "infidel invaders" ... and short of massacre or threat of escalation to the some genocidal or nuclear option, "victory" will not quickly or automatically follow the fall of Assad.

To whatever degree the Saudis aspire to be the Center of the Islamic World beyond guardians of Mecca and Medina ... I don't see what they have to gain by their cooperation in this fight against Assad or against ISIS. Self-interested regime change (imitating the Americans) doesn't suddenly "change its spots" and smell better when conducted by Muslims... particularly not elitist, intolerant WahabbI Saudis.

New migrant alarm twist this morning is that now AFGHANS are traveling en mass as refugees to Europe ...
"" With thousands of migrants pouring out of Afghanistan and the Middle East, the business of smuggling them across the Balkans into the European Union has grown even larger than the illicit trade in drugs and weapons, law enforcement officials said.""

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 5 2015 17:11 utc | 8


Kerry is dreaming..
The Saudis and the UAE would never send troops to Syria. They just lost 50 fighters in Yemen and it is just the beginning as Al Qaeda is moving to the areas in Yemen they 'liberated' from the Houthis.
In the contrary I think King Salman is desperate and confused. He wants to hear what the USA is proposing as a solution to Syria and Yemen. He is keen to save his regime that has been shaken by the Moslem brotherhood plots, the dissension within the GCC, the failed war in Syria and the looming dangers in Yemen. He wants a face saving exit.

Egypt that has the largest army in the Arab countries is mulling re-establishing diplomatic relation with Syria under Bashar al Assad government.
Tunisia has just reopened its embassy in Damascus
The refugees hysteria about a few thousands migrants in Europe is laughable. Lebanon and Turkey have received millions and did not make such big fuss.
Anyway it will all stop as winter is coming.

Posted by: Virgile | Sep 5 2015 17:15 utc | 9

Anyway France is safe, it has a bad reputation with the asylum seekers!
Quite wrong. France has taken a fair number of Syrians, and has been pretty relaxed about giving asylum. Before the recent crisis they'd taken as many as any, in general terms.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 5 2015 17:16 utc | 10

For all the criticism Trump and his supporters have received, the amt of central/south americans that have come over is maybe 10x as many as what Europe is dealing with, and they're already going semi nazi over it !

Posted by: vvvvv | Sep 5 2015 17:19 utc | 11

@2 Thank you Mr. Holefield for your patronage. Without you we wouldn't be Big Pharma. As far as your comment per @1, perfectly put. The Iran nuclear deal crafted by the handmaiden Obama is a set up for a later attack on Iran when it breaks the deal. Also, you are correct, The Donald is the only viable candidate aside from Putin who can lead America to greatness again and who can earn Putin's and the World's respect.

Go Donald!

Posted by: Big Pharma | Sep 5 2015 17:28 utc | 12

Good analysis: Are there Russian troops in Syria?

From "Final Conclusions":

Based on all of the above, our team believes that currently Russian marines have been moved to Syria to guard and strengthen the Tartus depot as well as the airbase close to Latakia. We believe infantry does not take part in the fighting. However, we believe that Russian vehicles with Russian crews do go into battle. Support is also rendered at least by Russian UAVs.

Sounds about right ...

Posted by: b | Sep 5 2015 17:50 utc | 13

You could be right, b. I noticed a definite up-tick in the anti-Asad propaganda in Britain yesterday. It was the day after the panic in the Brit government over what to do about the flood of refugees. I would think there were many heavy phone calls with Washington, and something was decided. A bit strange though, because according to the Clinton emails, Obama despises Cameron and his crew, and, secondly, Britain has nothing to put into the attack.

In any case, the whole idea is completely fatuous. Get rid of Asad, and you'll have al-Qa'ida (Nusra) and/or ISIS in Damascus. That won't terminate the refugee crisis, only increase it.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 5 2015 18:21 utc | 14


As The Saker pointed out, it would take a special decree by the Duma to allow for Russian troops to engage in battle outside of the Federation; otherwise, such an act would be unconstitutional and boneheaded,

Russian marines would be present at Tartus as part of the normal security detail. They may have been reinforced, but not "have been moved [recently]."

Remember that Putin retuned the permission to invade Ukraine. And the recent events in Tajikistan provide cause for concern,

Again as pointed out by The Saker, selling Russian intervention in Syria would be difficult politically.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 5 2015 18:23 utc | 15

Random thought: Could this media-explosive "Syrian migrant-crisis" (which most should realize has been ongoing for years) be an election cycle GOP dirty trick? ... possibly even pay-back for the failure of the neocons to block the Iran deal?

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 5 2015 18:44 utc | 16

The expected result of the UK Labour party's leadership election has forced the UK prime minister to call off his plan for a parliamentary vote on Syria. With Corbyn as opposition leader, and 20 Conservative MPs expected to vote against war, Cameron has no chance of winning a vote

Posted by: pmr9 | Sep 5 2015 18:56 utc | 17

@b - #14
Russia Boosts Its Support for the Syrian Army Through Satellite Imagery

Posted by: Oui | Sep 5 2015 18:57 utc | 18

B's reports are getting quite dramatic almost theatrical and this one could even use a background musical score, something Wagnerian might be appropriate and the leitmotif is already evident.

He apparently anticipated my question about why the Ramadi offensive fizzled but blaming the US for the Shia Militias failures is weak analysis, they don't answer to or operate under US control and they were easily defeated when they tried to attack the IS in Ramadi some time ago.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Sep 5 2015 19:15 utc | 19

Posted by: pmr9 | Sep 5, 2015 2:56:22 PM | 18 == awesome

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 5 2015 19:26 utc | 20

re 17

Could this media-explosive "Syrian migrant-crisis" (which most should realize has been ongoing for years) be an election cycle GOP dirty trick?
It may not seem so to Americans, who are not affected, but who like to see something to do with American politics in it. The pressure in Turkey has been building for some time, with increasing detestation of the enormous numbers of refugees. It didn't need the intervention of US agents to set off the crisis. Once it was understood that you could take a dinghy, and cross a few kilometres to Kos, or one of the other islands, and then be transported to Athens, everyone went for it.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 5 2015 19:28 utc | 21

Thanks, I've been following the refugee crisis since Iraq ... and the BBC World News that I listen to every morning has been covering it almost daily, several times a week for months.
It's the "perfect storm" of this perfect child ... it's very wag the dog ...
It's effect on the EU and power struggles within it ... Merkel again out in front, again "leading" ... good or bad? I don't know ... but the Greek Crisis isn't (really) over, nor is the rise of the right sector in too many countries ...
As I mentioned a few days ago ... it keep reminding me of the yellowcake forgery ... which was recognized by a lowly Italian journalist and accepted as true by Cheney's office of special plans ....
The crisis is so much larger than 200,000 migrants demanding entry that it's not remotely funny but wrongheaded to think that paternalistically finding "homes" for these displaced persons is a "solution" ... most would very likely prefer to GO HOME.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 5 2015 19:44 utc | 22

Hey guys, I've pretty much worked out the Syrian refugee media hype pretext.

The pretext is for an invasion of course by Western terrorists, that b and others here explained already, but, remember when Obama wanted to directly bomb Syria a couple years ago he couldn't get the English parliament to go along with it, as well as a lot of The people in the west, so that put a stop on the war crime invasion of Syria at that time.
Add to that, that a lot of the war coverage in Syria is the despicable actions of ISIL which proudly boasts about their head chopping, war crimes and destruction of historical antiquities. Which means that the best force fighting against these terrorists is Assads government, and bombing Assad and his government would seem a problem.

Both of those things make it a harder sell of direct Western war (crimes) to the western public.

But now since the build up to a more direct western war crime attack against Syria happened months before this Syrian refugee crisis in Europe, which was either directly created for them to move from where they were, or it was natural and exploitedly used as the sympathy pretext, exactly for a war of R2P.

Posted by: tom | Sep 5 2015 19:50 utc | 23

here comes Sarko ( in french)

Let's get some retention camps in North Africa ( yep give some millions of $$$ or Euros to the corrupted leaders) or Serbia or Bulgaria before the influx of refugees crossing the Med.

May be we are back to 1939-1945 or the rendition programs of #43 in foreign countries.

Yep they want regime change in the non-western countries but can't live with the consequences of their acts.

Sarko forgot that he is the progeniture of refugees and immigrants ( Hungarian and Greek) and that his wife is also a refugee from Italy ( may be rich but still a refugee for safety reason)

Posted by: Yul | Sep 5 2015 19:53 utc | 24

hint: John McCain and the NeoCons have been massively frustrated by Obama's refusal to "act" -- both in the Ukraine and in Syria -- this "crisis" might just force Obama's hand and once Obama actually declares a plan or proposal (to be heavily criticized, even rejected) or even sits down to discuss (how conciliatory, new Chamberlain) , the stalemate that has been in place for the last 2 years will have been broken ... sort of ... because it's likely that Obama's stalemate has been the result of "no good options" combined with an inability to gain consensus within his own administration).
Regardless pushing this envelope opens a lot opportunities domestically ... none terribly good for Hillary and the Democrats ... GOP "dirty tricks" are legendary ... see also Wag the Dog.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 5 2015 19:55 utc | 25

re 18

The expected result of the UK Labour party's leadership election has forced the UK prime minister to call off his plan for a parliamentary vote on Syria.
That was the Guardian report, but it wasn't actually what Cameron said. He talked about the the necessity for consensus, which is not quite the same thing.

In any case, Britain no longer has the weapons to participate in any real way. Six or eight Tornadoes, which break down all the time, were sent to bomb ISIS. Cameron and his pals' main aim has been to pocket everything they can, never mind the defence of Britain. Most right-wing governments reinforce strongly the police and the military, in order to defend themselves. Not so with the Cameron government. They rob everybody, and don't mind if there's no longer a military force. The idea being, I suppose, that everyone is so anesthetised that they won't notice.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 5 2015 20:00 utc | 26

How the hell is it possible that ISIS found chemical weapons stockpile in Iraq, that wasn't discovered by US forces who officially had invaded for the sole purpose of finding and destroying it?

Posted by: Michal | Sep 5 2015 20:05 utc | 27

Funding shortage UN food program made life of Syrian refugees a hell, a good reason to migrate from the Middle-East to Europe. A crisis in the making since the end of 2014. As I understand, the GCC nations have not fulfilled the pledged funds and Saudi Arabia has initiated its own charities in Syrian refugee camps with modeled mosques teaching the Wahhanist version of Islam. The same what Saudi Arabia has done during past decades inside Syria, creating extremists willing to fulfill jihad, militant conscription.

Syrian refugees poised to lose food aid as UN funds run out – Dec. 2, 2014

A severe cash shortage has forced the UN’s World Food Program to suspend food vouchers, immediately affecting 1.7 million Syrian refugees who are reliant on them for survival. Gwen Ifill spoke with Muhannad Hadi of the World Food Program about what the organization needs to provide December’s vouchers and why providing debit cards for groceries better serves some refugee populations. The program also supplied the needs for 4 million Syrians displaced inside the country.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 5 2015 20:07 utc | 28

re 30

Is it only half? I'd have thought much more than that, though obviously not in the voices of CNN, that you quote.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 5 2015 20:43 utc | 30

Merkel has suspended the Dublin Agreement (which requires the handling of a refugee within the first EU-country he enters), but only for Syrian refugees. Why? She would say: "Das ist doch klar wie Kloßbruehe! My friend Baracke wants more support for his Syrian war." And Mutti abides and our free press is a willful manipulator in promoting Obombers wishes. Heil!

Posted by: slirs | Sep 5 2015 21:01 utc | 31

Let's face facts. If the US decides to break Asad, by air-bombing of his resources, there are only few who can benefit in order to take Damascus. Either al-Nusra or Ahrar al-Sham (both branches of al-Qa'ida) or ISIS itself. Any other minor elements would soon be eliminated.

Consequently, the refugee problem would be multiplied a thousand times. Everybody who'd minorly supported the Asad regime would be at risk of death, and would have to leave. I have a student in that situation; she's already thinking about leaving.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 5 2015 21:08 utc | 32

- For a long time I thought the US had changed its mind about attacking Syria. But now the evidence more and more seem to indicate that the US (& NATO) is really determined to perform a "Regime Change" in Syria.
- This is also going weaken Russia:
- It has a small naval base in Tarsus,
- It has a very powerful radar installation in Aleppo.

- It would also mark the end of the Erdogan government. More violence means more refugees fleeing to Turkey and would destabilize Turkey even more. Excellent opportunity for a NATO supported military coup in Turkey and depose Erdogan.

Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 5 2015 21:46 utc | 33

The shoes of the fisherman have walked in rafah....the fish are fucked...fishfuck is a serious problem and unless we start breeding more to bolster populations there will be none fish,no loaves,only froggy,s legs ..oh the irony

Posted by: mcohen | Sep 5 2015 21:52 utc | 34

I forgot ..Damascus burning,the zombies of death

Posted by: mcohen | Sep 5 2015 21:54 utc | 35

FAIR sent out an excellent email titled: "The Syrian Refugee Crisis and the 'Do Something' Lie"

It didn’t take long for the universal and entirely justified outrage over a picture of a dead three-year-old to be funneled by the “do something” pundits to justify regime change in Syria. The “do something” crowd wants us to “do something” about the refugee crisis and “solve” the “bigger problem,” which, of course, involves regime change. To create the moral urgency and to tether the refugee crisis to their long-standing warmongering, these actors have to insist the US has “done nothing” about Syria.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 5 2015 21:55 utc | 36


Trump is more entertaining than, say, Cameron, but he's just as Right Wing as, say, Abbott, and his inner circle, being a lifelong NYC real estate mogul and gambling casino don, would more likely include a Sheldon Adelson or a Koch, than, say, a Cornel West or a Romana Acosta Bañuelos.

In the end, the POTUS is just a figure-head, a fig leaf for, as George Carlin put it, 'the big red, white and blue dick being shoved up your ass every day by the Owners', only now, instead of unicorns farting rainbows under ObamaCon, you're more likely to see national detention centers, national biometric identity cards, and who knows, maybe numbered ear tags? under The ZiDon.

Posted by: Chipnik | Sep 5 2015 21:57 utc | 37

Well, Obama just agreed with the Saudi King of all people to aim for a democratic and non sectarian Syria :-))

You expect them to lie, however, they don't even seem to try to sound credible nowadays.

Both leaders stressed the importance of reaching a lasting solution to the Syrian conflict based on the principles of Geneva 1 to end the suffering of the Syrian people, maintain continuity of civilian and military government institutions, preserve the unity and territorial integrity of Syria, and ensure the emergence of a peaceful, pluralistic and democratic state free of discrimination or sectarianism. The two leaders reiterated that any meaningful political transition would have to include the departure of Bashar al Asad who has lost legitimacy to lead Syria.

If this is the plan, it will obviously not work and lead to more refugees trying to enter Europe.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 5 2015 22:06 utc | 38

It is Kosovo again, just the other Clinton needs distraction....

Posted by: Kevin | Sep 5 2015 22:14 utc | 39


The WMDs, that both US troops and proved came from US, UK and DDR, were discovered and destroyed in the First Gulf (Oil) War more than 25 years ago. Any remnants, which it's highly unlikely ISIS found in taking over abandoned US bases or blowing up ancient monuments, would be chemically inert. The far more likely ploy is that KSA once again supplied Syrian anti-regime mercs, of which ISIS is just another actor, with WMD pre-cursors of the Kingdom, they did before when the heat was on to get another UNSC vote to start, what, Third Gulf (Oil) War, ...or should we count Libya in that Yinonite ZiCalculus?

4? 5? On to Tehran For The Shaytanauts!

Posted by: Chipnik | Sep 5 2015 22:15 utc | 40

There has to be an advantage to invading a country, and then leaving that country in total chaos, or why would the U.S. continue to do so? In James Risen's book "The State of War" he describes how the State Department had a reorganization plan for Iraq, but Rumsfeld didn't feel it was necessary to have such a plan. That worked out well, didn't it, or did it? My guess is the price of oil is better when taken from a country who has no defense left to guard their assets. Again, I'm guessing. Do any of you know if leaving these invaded countries in chaos really does work out well for the oil corporations? It must, or why else would the western nations continue with this sort of plan? I'm just full of questions, so if someone out there has hard numbers which to prove there is an advantage then let me know if there is. When you take into consideration how the U.S. has been at it in the Middle East starting with Iraq in 1991, then you would think that by now there is a plan. Colonel Ralph Peters paraded his plan, which was much like the Israeli Anon plan for taking over the Middle East. Is this the plan? You all remember Wesley Clark revealing how the Pentagon wanted to invade 7 countries within 5 years. While all this refugee stuff is going on, there are still many of us suspecting there will be some kind of false flag soon, and of course it will be instigated by Iran....right?

Posted by: Joe Tedesky | Sep 5 2015 22:20 utc | 41

The Russians are coming

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Sep 5 2015 22:25 utc | 42

"As must be repeated endlessly, a "war" isn't going to solve the refugee problem" -Susan Sunflower

To make such wise, logical statements to the leaders of the US is to caste pearls before swine. Logic and wisdom play zero role in their calculations - and such is the nature of Empire. These fools excel at playing poker - as long as it is with other people's lives and our paychecks they're making the bets.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 5 2015 22:29 utc | 43

In the meantime, still no trace of ISIS suffering from intensified bombardment and the mighty Turkoman brigade altering balance of power in the Unsafe Zone. That much for training and American-Turkish anti-ISIS cooperation.

In the south large scale defections to ISIS were reported. So what is the focus of "moderates" + al-Nusral? Attacking government positions, even as they could negotiate the truce an push ISIS back. Which is precisely what the illustrious foreign sponsors, KSA, Turkey and USA claim to want.

In the meantime, I wonder how a single missile, even powerful (half a ton warhead) and accurate (within 100-200 ft?) could kill so many. Was it a moment when vehicles were loaded from ammunition depot, and exact coordinates of the depot? One thing is clear, GCC army did not expect any attack from the sky.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 5 2015 22:32 utc | 44

39, SEP7, 2015

"Over the Labor Day Weekend, first as a consolation prize for Bibi, and in return for KSA election campaign funding for Hillary-Biden Brand of ZioCrats, US President BHO announced an agreement in principal for a new Operation Syria Enduring Freedom frackfest to be undertaken by the Soon Coming Trillion Dollar War Department, and their 32 Foreign Nation 'Made in USA' war contractors, all squealing for a taste like little vermin.

A KSA spox stated that an approval vote at the UNSC is expected later this month, after The Pope announces the NWO, and The Chosen crash the world's equities markets to goose the OSEF campaign."

Posted by: Chipnik | Sep 5 2015 22:32 utc | 45

That was the plan 4 years ago. It will the same plan 4 years from now.
Bashar al Assad would still leading Syria, Obama would be gone, the neo-Alzeimener King would be in an institution and the stallion defense minister would have been kicked out for his failing and deadly adventure in Yemen.

I thought Obama could have found some less repetitive way to hide that he has pressed Saudi Arabia to stop its military adventure in Yemen and stop supporting ISIS. Obama used the stick and only showed the carrot.
Saudis are so sensitive...

Posted by: Virgile | Sep 5 2015 22:51 utc | 46

Joe @ 42

Oded Yinon Plan for Greater Israel specifically outlines the requirement to break up neighboring Arab States to the benefit of Israel "for peace".

Posted by: fast freddy | Sep 5 2015 22:53 utc | 47

Concerning Tajikistan, I happened upon this little tidbit and found it extraordinarily revealing:

May 28, 2015

The US-trained commander of Tajikistan's elite police force just defected to ISIS

The US-trained commander of Tajikistan's elite police force has defected to the Islamic State, he said in a YouTube video, and his former unit will issue a statement condemning him, media said on Thursday.

Colonel Gulmurod Khalimov commanded the Central Asian nation's special-purpose police known as OMON, used against criminals and militants. He disappeared in late April, prompting a search by Tajik police.

He reappeared Wednesday, vowing to bring jihad to Russia and the US as he brandished a cartridge belt and sniper rifle, in a professionally made, 10-minute video clip posted in social networks.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 5 2015 22:59 utc | 48

From the FAIR article a Boris Johnson quote. I've come to the conclusion that only two things could produce a statement so idiotic - genuine stupidity or a first rate education in the elite universities of the West:

I perfectly accept that intervention has not often worked. It has been a disaster in Iraq; it has been a disaster in Libya. But can you honestly say that non-intervention in Syria has been a success?

Breathe deeply. Get the full fragrance of that pile of manure.

He claims "intervention has not often worked" then goes on to list two complete and utter failures of intervention (no examples of successful interventions existing) and thereby comes to the conclusion (a conclusion which surely does for morals and logic what an MC Escher drawing does for sense of space) that even if intervention in Syria is likely to be a total disaster, then shouldn't it at least be a total disaster that includes us?

I'm not sure our masters could really get any more denuded of basic common sense, but there you have it.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 5 2015 23:15 utc | 49

Cold1 at 1, 2 --

Why, a pleasant surprise, I thought you might have been tossed. Glad to see you're well.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 5 2015 23:33 utc | 50

The spectacle of the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and his droogies holding up the broken bodies of their victim countries and peoples - thus far - and calling for more war ... could there be a more telling picture of the total degeneracy of 'Western Civilization'?

Here's an artifact that blames it all on Assad and Mother Nature ... making them the agents of Syria's devastation and destruction rather than the occasion 'capitalized' upon by the NPPL and the Agency to bring about Syria's devastation and destruction ... Trying to follow what is going on in Syria and why? This comic will get you there in 5 minutes. ... it may be a 'comic' but it ain't cheap. Another application of those 1 in 15 of the CIA's dollars, no doubt.

1. Not a word about the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, his Agency, and their combined agency, of course.

2. Not a word about the Agency, their Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, and their combined agency, of course.

One or two, take your pick, they're equivalent. The NPPL/CIA and its chimera are running the empire, dealing DD&D world wide, like the cargo cult in the pacific, trying to bring back the good ole days when the USA was the only state left standing on earth. They really are that brainless.

Instead they're heading for the state of no one left standing on earth. And the MSM keeps beating the drum ... IBGYBG. The danse macabre.

Posted by: jfl | Sep 6 2015 0:03 utc | 51

The house of cards is cratering.

Japan goes down first. Then Europe.

All marks will be called in. Wall Street executives will rain down on battery park.

Our leaders will try to slither away. Chinese and Russian special forces will clear them out.

Reparations will begin.

At length a sustainable, just civilization will evolve.

Posted by: mcl | Sep 6 2015 0:03 utc | 52

@jfl, great post, thanks. The days when the CIA was considered the source of US government (foreign-aimed) evil seems to have past by. The only explanation is that the rest of the government has become so evil that you just don't notice them as much anymore. We know they haven't become less evil - they're still spying on Congress, they still have a huge hand in shaping the media, and of course they're still overthrowing governments and egging on wholesales slaughter across the globe.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 6 2015 0:23 utc | 53

Guest 77 -- that FAIR link is golden ... I am spamming it where I can ...

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 6 2015 0:56 utc | 54

Great! Thanks, they're an excellent org IMHO. They were loudly against the first attempt to bomb Syria.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 6 2015 1:31 utc | 55

thanks b... what a relief to know cold and wow are on the same page here today... things at moa are almost back to normal..

somebody quote from ink @39 "The two leaders reiterated that any meaningful political transition would have to include the departure of Bashar al Asad who has lost legitimacy to lead Syria." great! saudi's alzheimer king and the usa's nobel peace prize idiot are in agreement... they have soooooooo much legitimacy..

Posted by: james | Sep 6 2015 2:28 utc | 56

guest77: I agree with many points you make, but sometimes you cross the line. Encouraging to breath deeply exhalations of Boris Johnson? Would you cover my hospital bill or take care of my bereaved family?

b of course makes a mistake that he takes Kerry, Cameron etc. seriously. After Libya they are actually aware that forceful intervention may actually lead to a calamity. It is relatively easy to make regime change in a country like Haiti or Honduras, in particular, after removing the government there is an actual subsequent government, and if it makes a total mess, the worst thing that happens (from American point of view) is that you can read some carping in Counterpunch. The problem in Middle East that there are no native forces that would be democratic, pro-Western, amicable to Israel, and popular. So something has to give. Eventually, for the lack of better candidates, we find despotic anti-Western fanatics who grudgingly accept weapons and ammunition and are busy fighting each other. However, the mess is not the total loss because GCC pays good coin for our weapons. As a bonus, Israel gains another few years to expand settlements without being bothered too much. "We can't talk about it, don't you see that we have grave security concerns!".

Concerning refugees, the first solution is spouting nonsense, hopefully with breaking limbs in the process.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 6 2015 2:33 utc | 57

@ 1&2: The Donald huh? Must be some GOOD shit you're ingesting.

Posted by: ben | Sep 6 2015 4:50 utc | 58


Read @50 again. I think you have it upside down.

Posted by: jfl | Sep 6 2015 6:21 utc | 59

Fascism grabs its psychologically exhausted public with a demented kind of clarity. Simple and violent solutions are the order of the day. Entitlement and delusions of grandeur, taking and looting with both hands, snarling and threatening, greased with treason at every stage, they rush in their vulgar way toward a hideous self-negation.

These deceived make war using deception. There is a collapse finally. A huge incomprehensible loss goes with the grief and misery. A sense of betrayal. A sense of shame. A shattering disbelief and amazement. The palpable reality of defeat, which is ultimately a moral defeat. What other end is there?--save the one that obliterates the senses and makes a corpse of a living body?

We already know what can happen when too many people stop thinking and are content to exist within a trance.

Posted by: Copeland | Sep 6 2015 6:25 utc | 60

@55 guest

I think that the banksters are just filling their pockets while they can, all they've cared about was their license to steal, which has been solid as the Rock of Gibralter under Obama ... the 'smart money' all knows the US is going down. It's just up to Obama and the Agency to keep the music playing as long as they can, however they can.

Then it's IBGYBG. The 'I' in the I'll be gone is literally themselves, as each one of them thinks he/she has a hidey-hole high and dry somewhere 'safe'. The 'Y' in You'll be gone is all of us, the 99%. And we'll be gone completely. That's the way they figure it, or who cares anyway.

No one's really watching the store. They're looting it. The CIA is in charge of 'security'.

Posted by: jfl | Sep 6 2015 6:50 utc | 61

Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Obama takes a selfie in Alaska--eyes closed, lips pursed--with a cupidity that should surprise no one, at this point.

Posted by: Copeland | Sep 6 2015 7:09 utc | 62


If USAryan MSMs covered the background story at the way that b covers the background story in MENA, there would be The Donaldisms papered all over the floors and ceilings of the U S Congress and Pentagon...but they won't.

On to Tehran! On to Mission Mars!! On to Full Spectrum Energy Taxation for a soon coming $5 TRILLION Mil.Gov, and their 32 sycophant foreign nation "Made in USA" war contractors!

But because the Pentagon, the largest Corporation in human history, has never been audited, there are hundreds of thousands of Pentagon contracts that have no "place of performance" listed at all. There are 116,527 contracts that list the place of performance as Switzerland, even though the vast majority, now 2/3rds of all Federal contracts, are for delivering subsidized food and fuel and toilet paper to troops at 800 US bases worldwide.

Posted by: chipnikh | Sep 6 2015 8:26 utc | 63

err...'hollywood' that is

Posted by: john | Sep 6 2015 12:12 utc | 65

In an interview on the Andrew Marr Show on BBC1, Osborne also confirmed that the government is unlikely to table a Commons vote on extending airstrikes against Islamic State targets in Iraq to Syria unless it wins Labour support. This suggests that the government will be wary of holding the vote in the event of Jeremy Corbyn winning the Labour leadership contest.
So another flip-flop from Britain. They went all bellicose for 24 hours, but now they're having second thoughts, having realised what a disastrous move it would be.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 6 2015 13:27 utc | 66

Independently of Syria, the ‘migrant avalanche’ (b’s top post) will be welcome in Germany. (Well, to some in Germany.) There are, btw, today (new school year) 80,000 open apprenticeships in Germany, I read. No candidates! (Everyone here will be aware of Germany’s demographic problem; and half the migrants, it is said, are under 25, it sure looks like more from the pix..) The rules and laws have already been changed a while ago! - Making it look all very prepared…:

Those who aren’t admitted for political asylum (whose request is refused) but can’t be expelled (war zone) will get work permits. Asylum seekers can get a job or enter education 3 months after their arrival (used to be 9). Very important, from November on, employers will no longer have to submit a request to hire a ‘refugee’ (accepted or not), and show that there is no German or EU national who can take (or wants) the job. Industry and big corps are pushing for a 3+2 rule: the Gvmt. has to guarantee the ‘migrant’ can stay for the 3 years of apprenticeship/training, and 2 more to work….

slirs at 32 wrote. Merkel has suspended the Dublin Agreement (which requires the handling of a refugee within the first EU-country he enters), but only for Syrian refugees. Why? … This is probably a half-truth. It is because the UN has decreed (long ago now) that Syrians and Eritreans are prima facie refugees. (That is they are to be treated as refugees. All others undergo a different kind of procedure. She can do this within EU rules, as even the Dublin accords have always been considered discretionary, and not compulsory. She probably omitted the Eritreans (nobody knows what that is all about while Syrians are ‘good guys’, either because Assad or ISIL (bad guys) are attacking them)… But maybe not. Anyway it seems clear that Merkel is writing the rules. Quotas and what all, she fixes…

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 6 2015 13:40 utc | 67

new map

Not looking good for SAA

Posted by: UnQuote | Sep 6 2015 14:03 utc | 68

Wayoutwest @20 says:

...this one could even use a background musical score...

does this one work for you?

Posted by: john | Sep 6 2015 14:16 utc | 69

re 69

Most of these maps are affected by the political preferences of the organisation commissioning them (no matter if it's Saker who's publishing it). On a map you can draw what you like, and particularly in the case of Syria, they do. You can see the prejudices of the author in the nice solid blocks of colour for the Kurds - somewhat enlarged to suggest that the Kurds control more than they do, and the thin stringy lines for ISIS, suggesting they don't really control anything at all. Nice solid green areas for the non-ISIS rebels, too. A better truth would be that they're still all mixed up, and no-one owns the desert.

On the Kurds, by the way, the guy whose kids and wife drowned at Bodrum came from Kobane. According to this map, Kobane is at least 60km behind Kurdish lines. What was he doing fleeing to Europe, when he could comfortably leave Turkey and return to Kobane? As he has in fact done, in order to bury the dead. Perhaps Kobane is not quite as secure as some would have us believe (which is what I understand - there are still ISIS in the area), but Kurds are "good", so they deserve a solid patch of colour, and we'll just add a bit, to show how strong they are.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 6 2015 14:31 utc | 70

Israel wants a safe zone in Quneitra

Posted by: somebody | Sep 6 2015 14:33 utc | 71

Looks the the push for the next "humanitarian" campaign(aka regime change) is back on the table.. I guess they had to come up with another trick this time after the chemical weapons false flag didn't work...

Interesting times...

Posted by: Zico | Sep 6 2015 14:43 utc | 72

Looks like Syria being emptied for its human capital - in German

Brief translation: Daimer boss Dieter Zetsche will look for workers in the refugee centers - most Syrian refugees are well educated and highly motivated ...

Posted by: somebody | Sep 6 2015 15:31 utc | 73

Laguerre, #11 "France has taken a fair number of Syrians, and has been pretty relaxed about giving asylum. Before the recent crisis they'd taken as many as any, in general terms."
How can you write such garbage? Exactly 5,000 between 2012 and 2015. In comparison germany took ca 70,000. I quote:
" « La France, déjà, a fait beaucoup : ainsi 5 000 réfugiés syriens et 4 500 irakiens ont déjà été accueillis en France depuis 2012. Nous continuerons à le faire, avec le souci que les efforts soient équitablement répartis », a également rappelé Manuel Valls samedi.

« [Le Premier ministre] additionne en fait les différents modes d’accueil, qu’ils soient individuels ou préconisés par le Haut-Commissariat des Nations unies aux réfugiés », note Le Monde. François Hollande s’était engagé à accueillir 500 Syriens en 2014, la France est en train d’en accueillir 500 autres."
You know how Germany efficiently teach its (complicate) language to newcomers and provide shelter and jobs to refugees in the same amount of time?

Posted by: Mina | Sep 6 2015 15:41 utc | 74

Mina, I was going by my own personal experience. There are quite a few Syrians more than that formal figure of people taken in as refugees. The Syrians here don't have too much difficulty now in getting long-term residence permits. They did, but not now. Of course, it's a miserable life, and many are profoundly depressed.

You know a lot of Syrians in France, do you?

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 6 2015 16:14 utc | 75

Sarko again and the truth is out ( as if we didn't know):

France has always been on the side of the dictators !!!
Reason that in some FrancAfrique countries, there is always a tunnel linking the Presidential Palace to the French embassy :(

Posted by: Yul | Sep 6 2015 16:34 utc | 76

BBC link of b contains a quote that indeed raises the question who is retarded: the journalists who garbled what they were told, the "sources" or "the government":

QUOTE START According to sources, ministers intend to argue that the mission to defeat IS now has to turn to Syria, and that the UK should play a role in that effort.
Describing the government's plans to increase its military involvement in the region, a source said: "The government is essentially posing a question: Could we do more? Should we do more? But Syria is where the fight should be taken to."
Another source added: "The government will say the campaign in Iraq has been a success. IS has been degraded, land has been taken back. Some of their leaders have been killed. But the problem is across the border in Syria." QUOTE END

With this definition of "success", an action in Syria can well be a success too, and UK should start plans how to deal with the restored Empire (consisting of lands where British military has succeeded). On the other hand, the article in NY Post made me think about troubleseome aspects of Ashkenazi genetics which has plethora of heritable syndorms. However, epidemiology suggests that neoconitis spreads by contact.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 6 2015 16:41 utc | 77

Kobane/Kobani was "liberated" from ISIS back in January of this year -- It was our big air campaign's success -- unfortunately the town is extremely damaged and I'd guess only some of the Kurds fled ISIS when it was captured actually returned, and we were still bombing it in June 2015 if not later ....

Newsweek January 2015.

Daily Mail October 2014.

U.S. was still bombing it in June 2015: U.S. Central Command.

July 8, 2015 -- BBC Summary with lots of maps including aerial of Kobane/Kobani-- bbc.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 6 2015 17:04 utc | 78

38;The Citizenchip,implanted on the free will part of the brain.

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 6 2015 17:10 utc | 79


Yeah, right

Those guys and gals at SouthFront are so politically prejudiced against the Syrians, ain't they?

Simply famous for it, "apparently".

Posted by: sql | Sep 6 2015 17:16 utc | 80

Ah, Cockburn in the Independent answer the question why didn't those nice Kurd stay in Kobane after we liberated it for them -- (with the help of the Peshmerga and the Iraqi Army on the ground actually taking casualties as I recall)

Patrick Cockburn, also writing in The Independent, notes that Aylan and his family fled Kobane, in north-east Syria, the Kurdish enclave that has all-but been destroyed after a four-and-a-half month siege by Isis:
It was one of the greatest victories in Kurdish history, but a pyrrhic one that saw 300,000 Syrian Kurds flee into Turkey from Kobani, a city just south of the Turkish border, and from the 250 villages surrounding it.

He adds:

Any potential winner of the civil war in Syria may swiftly move to extinguish Kurdish independence. In the face of these dangers, it is no wonder that Syrian Kurds will take any risk to escape to Europe or anywhere else where they might find safety.

from that BBC article as of July 9
bbc citing UCHR in July 9, 2015
Refuges: total 4 million
Turkey 1,805,245
Lebanon 1,172,753
Jordan 629,128
Iraq 249,726
Egypt 132,375
N. Africa 24,000

from the Guardian: Rioting between police and refugees in Greece and NeoNazi greet refugee train in Germany
guardian live feed.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 6 2015 17:25 utc | 81

Aside from Fall's impending arrival and after that Winter ... the prospect of a hungry winter as refugees in exile may have spurred migration to some place else ... any place but here...

DW: UN: Warnings on Middle East refugee plight unheeded

The UN food agency says funding shortages have forced it to deny food vouchers to 229,000 Syrian refugees in Jordan. Experts say chronic harsh conditions, also in Lebanon and Turkey, are behind the exodus to Europe

There was a budget shortfall last year as well, possibly even the year before. (let's not think about food insecurity in Afghanistan either).

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 6 2015 17:35 utc | 82

Noirette's fantasies about missing apprentices etc. are just a part of oligarch-speech to lower wages and to sell all the socially less tolerable and miserable jobs, as always. zed at 84.

Heh, it is not a fantasy. It is real life. The missing apprentices - if someone missing can be seen as real - exist and some, many, spots will be filled.

Wages will be lowered and be just close to survival for some of these apprentices (or whatever jobs they get), similar to mini-jobs in Germany, but that is a different rubric (they are citizens) so hard to compare. So they will clean the streets for nothing, and etc. etc.

Migrants will be, are, 'strictly' controlled, as in, any deviation they can be deported, sent back. They will live in fear, and in any case the policy is always (not officially admitted) to split up families, groups...

Miserabe lodgings. And no Union protection (not that is up to much btw.) I agree with what you wrote.

And actually it is FAR worse than you understand, envisage. FAR worse. Sorry for the caps.

You don't consider sexual exploitation (incl. institutionalised pedophilia and 'young' prostitution) and coercion into illegal, or very dangerous trades. Such as in the nuclear industry, which pays very high wages, but has difficuly finding workers...

Zed, I think you have a problem with a grander scope, and understanding, contextualsing what ppl write...and tolerance to other posters.

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 6 2015 18:38 utc | 83

The White House was warned that the ISIS, Al qaida & Jabat Al Nusrah were on the rise.

Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 6 2015 18:52 utc | 84

@somebody - #72

About Quneitra and Israel, open a corridor for Jabhat al-Nusra fighters towards Damascus ...

IDF Protects Jabhat al-Nusra Golan Checkpoint – Sept. 2014
Israel's Golan Attack A Provocation to Iran – Jan. 2015

Posted by: Oui | Sep 6 2015 18:55 utc | 85

Putin can't afford to let a pro-Russia Syrian Govt be toppled. It's one of the few remaining dominoes on the road to Moscow (followed by China). I don't know what the Yankees think they're doing but, imo, Russia (& China) are readier for WWIII than AmeriKKKa and its Friends.
And if Putin has to remove some Oz Air Force planes from the Syrian skies I'll be asking Oz's Cretin-in-Chief, Abbott, to explain what it was, precisely, that the crews died for?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 6 2015 19:07 utc | 86

Trust Gilad Atzmon to come up with the only sane solution to the refugee crisis...

Refugees Should Seek Refuge in Synagogues
First because Jews claim to know more than anyone else about suffering. But mainly because it was Jewish aggressive politics and Zionist global lobbying that brought this colossal refugee crisis about.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 6 2015 19:30 utc | 87

Yapping poodly France is considering being on board for ‘airstrikes’ against ISIS.

It is amusing that Cameron attributes his hesitancy to Corbyn (Cameron mentioned above by several, link might be same as posted before, pmr9, others..) when Corbyn hasn’t even put on his labour-boss HAT… :) Guardian:

> Both F and GB are ‘officially’ in the coalition that fights ISIS in Iraq, but not in Syria.

Imho much is going on underground, info is sparse, partial or ‘massaged.’

From a perhaps too optimistic pov, it looks like Putin is trying to cobble or maybe stitch is a better word, together, an anti-ISIS / ‘terrorist’ coalition (aka pro-Assad), he has been meeting many of the players. For once! I agree with the Saker, linked by karlof1 at 16, - Russia will not intervene openly, massively, or even covertly to any consequent or alarming degree. Putin will never move rashly. If that fails, tant pis, but meanwhile any policy changes (for ex. accepting that Assad would ‘share power’ though that is a silly PR formulation, Assad has always stated new elections any time..) will take a while to be accepted - not by the PTB who do the deals and know the score - but by all the hangers-on, and those directly involved below, the puzzled public, corps, media, defense industry, etc. who need time to adjust and be coerced or convinced.

I don’t have Sun Tzu by heart, but letting your enemy save face is definetly on the cards.

—> jfl at 52 that was a great comic strip it got it ‘all’ right. merci …i’ll pass it on..

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 6 2015 19:33 utc | 88

Noirette @ 85 says:

Zed, I think you have a problem with a grander scope, and understanding, contextualsing what ppl write...and tolerance to other posters

you're too kind. Zed's a xenophobic scumbag...

...and no doubt ignorant of the fact that the Germans invented not only realpolitik, but also the welfare state.

Posted by: john | Sep 6 2015 20:25 utc | 89

Hole N Coldfield is a medicated troll.

Here's a hint Hole, suicide is painless, PUTZ.

Posted by: kissmygrits | Sep 6 2015 20:44 utc | 90

@90 Noirette

Well, yeah, Noirette it got it all right ... except for the part where the US armed the jihadists and destroyed the country. Come on, all 'good' propaganda distorts obvious truths, and this one is good. It's even fooled the omniscient Noirette!

Posted by: jfl | Sep 6 2015 21:05 utc | 91

You know things are bad when...

Posted by: dh | Sep 6 2015 21:08 utc | 92

@90. @94

And Syria will remain as a warning of the devastation that can occur when tenuous political situations combine[d] with the stresses of climate change ... are exploited by nihilist, gepolitical actors intent upon the destruction of nations, states, and people they percieve even as potential threats to their own dominant positions.

No doubt Syria had and has problems independent of the empire's DD&D ... but they pale in comparison.

How much has the empire spent destroying Syria? Measures well up in the billions, I'm sure. Could that cash have been put to use on the ground, helping alleviate the problems caused by the - so far - chiefly Western and chiefly North American induced climate change? Yeah, I think it could have.

But no it was used to destroy Syria instead. To capitalize on the drought in terms of death, devastation, and destruction. The destruction of Syria was brought about by the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and his European droogies, taking advantage of the 'opportunities' offered by climate change. And it will be reapeated worldwide again and again unless and until the US itelf - author of all this DD&D - succombs itself, the victim of its own profligate, poisonous policies.

Posted by: jfl | Sep 6 2015 21:46 utc | 93


as well see Oui, everywhere but here ...

Posted by: Oui | Sep 6, 2015 5:48:09 PM | 133

Posted by: Oui | Sep 6, 2015 5:54:38 PM | 9

... and, of course, b himself. The Wars In Syria And Iraq Are Also Water Wars - More Will Come ... documentation of US' droogie Erdogan's following Israel's example of 'tightening' the Palestinians belt ... but using the belt to tighten the flow of the rivers of mesopotamia.

Posted by: jfl | Sep 6 2015 22:09 utc | 94

Your concerns are noted, Piotr. I for one can support some sort of warning label being applied to any and all of Boris Johnson's "exhalations". Perhaps it would be easier and safer to just slap some duct tape over his piehole and be done with it...

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 6 2015 22:32 utc | 95

what about this explanation: Germany has the lowest birth rate in the developed world, lower than even Japan, its economy will grind to halt soon, so taking in large number well-educated Syrian refugees is the only way to keep its economy from crashing.

Posted by: meofios | Sep 6 2015 23:24 utc | 96

@99 meofis

That's what somebody said

Posted by: somebody | Sep 6, 2015 11:31:23 AM | 74


I have extracted Case Study #1 Dividing Conflict Zones New and Old: The Tigris-Euphrates Basin from the second of the links within Oui's links above.

Keep in mind that the Brookings Institute is (presently) a Republicrat think tank and that in 2012 they were more concerned with ... and more sympathetic to ... Iraq than Syria. At that point Iraq was still under the 'showcase for democracy' banner inherited from the original, Republicrat propaganda, such as it was by 2012, whereas Syria has always been under the 'destroyed by jihadists - not us!' banner of the Demoplicans.

On average, Turkey provides 90 percent of the water running in the Euphrates and Syria provides the remaining 10 percent. Turkey furnishes about half the flow of the Tigris, while Iraq supplies two-fifths, and Iran the remainder. Both Iraq and Syria are highly reliant on the Tigris-Euphrates for their water supplies. Iraq’s “dependency ratio” on external water flows is 53.5 percent and Syria’s is 72.3 percent. Turkey’s dependency ratio, by contrast, is 1 percent.

Posted by: jfl | Sep 7 2015 0:12 utc | 97

Agree, I couldn't decide if Merkel and Germany were being unbelievably tone-deaf and insensitive but concluded they probably believe that as the "best off" they should be magnanimous in taking the lion's share. See also, the willingness to counter publicly recognized German anti-immigrant groups. I can only hope the latter, although I imagine that the Greeks and Southern Italians and all of the other poor countries which have been saddled dealing with wash-ashores and the conventional trudgers much feel a certain annoyance... Police versus refugees on Lethos this morning.

Something I read this morning said that Germany, unlike other countries, does not yet have an right-sector political party which also gives them an advantage compared to, say France.

It is disconcerting to see some of the picture of refugees ... I saw one woman in an immaculate white coat ... and the children look clean, well-dressed and well-fed. Of course, yes, the "truly" poor, without means or family to finance them, the old and the unable to travel are still stuck in camps, or even in Syria (or Iraq or Afghanistan)

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 7 2015 0:22 utc | 98

Reference to 97,

The water thing is complex and also puts Turkey at great risk. As Mister b described Here, Syria is damming up water, thus depriving Syria of its lawful, and much needed, share. And a lot of this water is being sent to the part of Cyprus that Turkey illegally grabbed, as described Here via a pipeline under the Mediterranean Sea, that makes a hell of a lot of pipeline and dams available for Syria to blow up if Turkey attacks Syria. What if the pipeline and the many dams get blown up in a war with Syria? Since Turkey is a NATO member, then NATO attacks Syria? Then Iran attacks? And then Russia and China? Oh great.

So maybe the sudden flood of water somehow reaches Israel? Israel is dying, not only from its self-inflicted nuclear disaster, but from toxic boron in the reverse-osmosis filtered water it requires.

Well anyhow, It all leads to a world war.

So what are the insane “goals” here?

It becomes apparent that the CIA/Israel cannot justify its existence without constant war. Even if we all have to die, so what? Even as the theater burns down the show must go on?

Posted by: blues | Sep 7 2015 0:32 utc | 99


Turkey is damming up water, thus depriving Syria of its lawful, and much needed, share.

Posted by: blues | Sep 7 2015 1:00 utc | 100

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