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September 24, 2015
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fucking insufferable cunts !
http://www.3news.co.nz/world/obama-takes-aim-at-china-over-human-rights-2015092613#axzz3mueLScgH
Posted by: denk | Sep 27 2015 5:14 utc | 101
ffs xi, u dont’ve to take no shit from these cunts, just show the sobs this…
http://tinyurl.com/pb8smrg
shut the cunt up, but then it might not work either, sobs have such thick hides not even a
du shell could punch thru,
hehehehe
Posted by: denk | Sep 27 2015 5:25 utc | 102
@97
Karl Marx was certainly a great man and his analysis of capitalism has withstood the test of time. But, as Micheal Parenti points out, Marx’s whole works were written for capitalists: for people living within a capitalist society. There is nothing there of Socialism. Socialism-Communism and Marxism are only loosely connected. Marxist-Leninism is more nearly Leninim. Maoism was Maoism.
What’s needed is an alternative to totalitarian capitalism and to totalitarian socialism. I like Aki Orr‘s ideas, for instance, among others. What’s required is an admission on the part of us all that it is up to ourselves alone. That we have the power to have whatever kind of society we want – that we are many and ‘they’ are few. That by definition it is up to us alone, that no one can help, or do it for us. And then to put one foot in front of the other and to keep on walking until we do have all the power in our hands.
The reason I like Aki Orr is because he is for direct democratic rule. I, too, see it as the only hope. I think that Aki was obviously wrong on his electronic voting scheme … and that if he were alive he’d surely admit that himself, post-Snowden. And I also think there must remain be a representative component to our government(s), with all of us as its omnipotent shadow … we must remain vigiliant and when they do wrong, we must always undo whatever wrong they have done.
Rule by any subset of all the people will result in the sort of ‘blind spots’ that always crop up when that ruling subset substitutes its own, minority, interests for the interests of our majority, of our greater society. That’s been the story of ‘civilization’ up until now.
I believe this representative shim will be required as long as we allow power to bubble-up and away from us … but I also believe that installing democracy is just the first step in our infinitely long journey, and that forcing power to trickle back down is the most important step to be taken and to be contiuously pursued after democractic power has been asserted, and that forcing power to trickle back sown will limit the damage the shim can do us, no matter how long it remains necessary to the functioning of our societal system.
Certainly the wars must be ended, environmental wrongs ended, monopolist financial structures must be deconstructed, support for basic human needs built-in to the system … but none of that can happen unless and until we assert control. Direct democracy is the sine qua non: without power-to-the-people change cannot come. And power will never devolve to the people of itself, so we must seize it.
It’s a relatively straight-forward operation in the USA, and presumably in Europe. Just commit to it, organize, read ‘the manual’, and do it. There will definitely be resistance, and we must deal with that as it arises. The essential thing is to band together, commit to democracy, and accept no substitutes. When our democracy has covered the earth, then the euanthropocene era truly will have begun.
Posted by: jfl | Sep 27 2015 5:50 utc | 103
this is great, the Empire Files:
Abby Martin & Chris Hedges: War, Propaganda and the Enemy Within
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=14792
Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 27 2015 7:44 utc | 104
It may well be that ‘Israel has been told to go back into its corner and to shut up,’ but don’t tell the Palestinans that. Israeli forces attack Palestinians at al-Aqsa Mosque
Israeli forces have once again attacked Palestinians at al-Aqsa Mosque compound in East al-Quds (Jerusalem), amid a fresh wave of violence in the occupied Palestinian territories.
Israeli soldiers have attacked and injured dozens of Palestinians in rallies held against Tel Aviv’s military assaults on the al-Aqsa Mosque, which started on September 13.
The recent wave of violence has seen Israeli settlers and soldiers attacking Palestinian worshipers following the deployment of Israeli troops to the area for the Jewish Rosh Hashanah New Year holiday.
Last month, Israel imposed harsh restrictions on entries into the al-Aqsa Mosque, especially limiting the entry of Palestinians into the compound.
Israel has been sending goons and thugs – ‘settlers’ – in al Aqsa backed by the IDF, hoping to provoke Palestinians to resist so that the IDF may move in to protect the ‘settlers’. A good percentage of the ‘settlers’ are likely Americans – 15% of all ‘settlers’ in the West Bank are Americans.
‘Indians’ attacked by American ‘settlers’ in the USA, the indigenes broken, crushed. Palestiinians attacked by American ‘settlers’ in Palestine … the Palestinians’ve held up for 67 years so far. The world remains silent on the Palestinian genocide.
The Peoples’ Pope has just cannonized ‘Saint’ Junipero Serra.
Tragically, the rights of those who were here long before us were not always respected. For those peoples and their nations, from the heart of American democracy, I wish to reaffirm my highest esteem and appreciation. Those first contacts were often turbulent and violent, but it is difficult to judge the past by the criteria of the present.
The criteria seem the have been the same to me in San Diego, Monterrey, Carmel, Sand Creek, Wounded Knee, Vietnam, Lao, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria … and Palestine. Five hundred years later, the lives of the indigenes still don’t matter to the forces of empire. How many more hundred – thousand? – years before we acknowledge that the criteria have never changed? The only good indigene is a dead indigene. What’s difficult to judge is our own black hearts. Past, present, or furture. The only reason the turbulence and violence stopped is because the ‘esteemed and appreciated’ victim populations were all dead.
Posted by: jfl | Sep 27 2015 9:58 utc | 105
@104 OK farmer
Good video. Could have done with a lot less of Abby Martin’s blank stare. This is kind of a compilation tape. Chris Hedges’ oldies but goodies. One more time. Good for people who don’t follow him … but do they watch real tv? Maybe they do. I follow the occasional link there … but tv is tv to me.
I like the lady who ‘interviews’ Michael Hudson … maybe on the same ‘channel’. She introcduces him and then just sits back and lets him rip … maybe one or two questions … from off camera … if he’s run too far ahead of her. She’s the real pro in my view. Abby Martin’s a professional too, but a professional what is my question. Professional ‘news personality’, I guess. Now the internet’s got ’em too. All trained at RT?
Posted by: jfl | Sep 27 2015 11:08 utc | 106
@101 denk
What have you got against women? Was your mom really mean to you when you were growing up?
Or just can’t get enough now, and you’re really pissed!?
Posted by: jfl | Sep 27 2015 11:21 utc | 107
jfl at 103 —
The utopian socialists laid out their proposed phalansteries and communes in quite exhaustive detail; attempts to construct them all proved inevitable failures. For this reason, Marx was consciously quite light on projecting too exactly what the future would look like. Describing the reality and dynamics of capital was Marx’s task. Fleshing out the lines of socialism and then communism was the task of the movement built upon these insights.
As with the democrats, the socialists failed to get it right the first time. This should not be a cause for surprise; revolutionary change is not easy. The initial failures and later successes of capital were an historically conditioned. The fundamentals of capital remain the same, the task remains the same — social control of the means of production. The proclamation of the “End of History” was a hope, an illusion, a command (like Canute and the sea, unobeyed).
Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 27 2015 12:44 utc | 108
jfl
kathy kelly is a damn good american,
i’ve lots of respect for g77 here too,
while obama, bush, cheney and u are god damned murcunts,
get it now, dumbfuck ?
Posted by: denk | Sep 27 2015 13:43 utc | 110
Have you heard about Moldova ANTI-EU protests? No of course not media in the west didnt tell you!
http://tass.ru/en/moldova-protests
Posted by: ZIP | Sep 27 2015 14:27 utc | 111
jfl Sep 27, 2015 7:08:10 AM | 106
If you like Abby Martin, she now host a weekly show in Telesurtv THE EMPIRE FILES.
http://multimedia.telesurtv.net/web/telesur/#!en/lista/programa/programa
Posted by: Jack Smith | Sep 28 2015 1:54 utc | 112
Sorry wrong website
http://multimedia.telesurtv.net/web/telesur/#!en/lista/busqueda/empire%20file
Posted by: Jack Smith | Sep 28 2015 1:56 utc | 113
for some yrs now, there’s a pervasive narrative peddled by assorted *progressives* in major alternate sites, ich, unz, moa, saker etc etc,
viz
*china/russia etc aint no better than the empire*
the *pushers* dont defend the unitedsnake, they know its a lost cause.
instead they tar the opposition china/russia with the same blush, namely the duo are just like the evil empire, why bother ?
see, there’s no point rooting for these two, let the *thieves* fight amongst themselves !
the evil empire already owns the msm, if they neutralise those whats left meagre dissent in alternate media, then it controls the *world opinion* wholesale…simply BRILLIANT !
here’s the
* Rule for Respectable Commentary*
http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/10/15/john-v-walsh-the-rule-for-respectable-commentary/
jfl seems to be moa’s resident pusher of this meme,
hehehehe
Posted by: denk | Sep 28 2015 3:24 utc | 114
DARPA dreaming of creating cyborgs for US military, new book reveals
They don’t need no stinkin’ chips! Their MSM has already lobotomized the entire somnolent population at a distance, asleep with our eyes wide-open in front of our TVs.
@114
You’re entitled to your opinion. Empires are empires in my view.
And mobs are like families, there’s a division of labor. The USA is and has been the heavy since WWII. When it drops out some ambitious neolibraconian state will pick up where it left off. Germany, Japan, Russia, China … I have no idea. But China is the largest in most readily measureable ways. And there is an imperial tradion tradition in the Middle Kingdom. And the P so obviously does stand for Plutocrat in the new, improved PRC. The days of Fanshen are from another Chinese incarnation.
Who knows, maybe they’ll break the mold. I’m just skeptical that’s all. You sure do like to hate your ‘enemies’, though, don’t you denk. A real doctrinaire recruit.
Posted by: jfl | Sep 28 2015 4:09 utc | 115
As Michael Hudson and I have discovered, neoliberal economics is blind to reality and serves to justify the destruction of the economic prospects of the Western World. It remains to be seen if Russia and China can develop a different economics or whether these rising superpowers will fall victim to the “junk economics” that has destroyed the West. With so many Chinese and Russian economists educated in the US tradition, their prospects might not be any better than ours.
The entire world could go down the tubes together.
Another couple of candidates for your salafist hellfire, denk.
Posted by: harry law | Sep 28, 2015 5:55:50 AM | 131
… the political vision the Islamists have is, anyone not like them i.e, with a vision from the seventh century, with very strict Sharia law interpretation, will be killed their children raped and sold as slaves.
Posted by: jfl | Sep 28 2015 11:47 utc | 116
jfl 115
pov my ass, its your dumbfuckery vs reality.
jfl
* 99.9% of the Chinese have seen absolutely none of the benefits of the boom in the Plutocrats’ Republic of China*
FACT…
Charles Kenny, senior fellow at the Center for Global Development and former World Bank economist,
*worldwide, The number of people living in extreme poverty has plummeted since the UN’s millennial goals report began 15 years ago, with China’s progress in poverty alleviation contributing largely to that achievement.
The astounding progress of poverty alleviation in China contributed greatly to achieving the MDGs regarding poverty. Sixty-one percent of the population of China, the world’s most populous country, was living in extreme poverty in 1990, and as that number fell to 4 percent this year, the total number of global poor plunged as well.
“China has moved more people out of poverty faster than any country ever before in history*
john walsh also bloach on this subject in his article, but fact means nothing to you
i guess ?
I hate the perpetrators of the indon, vn, cambodia, iraq genocides, the mh370,
mh17, 911 falso flags etc etc with gutso.
if you feel nothing about these scums u have better checked your heart beat ,
why do u feel so personal when i savage these sobs anyway ?
who’r your enemy, the *chinese Plutocrats’* ?
Posted by: denk | Sep 28 2015 14:37 utc | 117
@117
‘ why do u feel so personal when i savage these sobs anyway ? ‘
Well actually I was taking it personally when you savaged me with your misogynist gutter mouth and demonization. But you’re right. Anyone can write anything about anyone on a blog and I should just skip over those hate full postings that affect me emotionally. Waste of emotional energy.
Posted by: jfl | Sep 29 2015 10:40 utc | 118
Mark Gaughan @ # 1 Only got around to looking at the link today – 29th . . My advice to anyone interested in MH17 is CHECK THIS OUT The Victorian State Govt Coroners Office has done a report (since withdrawn & now classified it would seem) that pretty much shoots down (no pun intended) the Buk missile bullshit. I mean we all knew it would be crap but this makes it sorta official. Save a copy would be my recommendation
Posted by: Kiwicris | Sep 29 2015 11:25 utc | 119
jfl 118
*Well actually I was taking it personally when you savaged me with your misogynist gutter mouth and demonization.*
robber crying robbery !
my rant was directed at the perpetrators of mh370, mh17 etc etc, namely the *elected leaders* of the unitedsnake.
for reasons best known to yourself, u take it personal and launch a gratuitous insult at me ![107]
enough of your nonsense. !
FACT….
unitedsnake is a destroyer, china is a builder.
china trades, the snake robs.
anyone who insist *china is no different from the snake* is either
a dumbfuck or a paid shill, which is it ?
Posted by: denk | Sep 29 2015 14:56 utc | 120
jfl the moa’s resident expert china watcher,
* the effect of the Obama administration’s apparent willingness to weaponize revolution in China to bring about the Nobel Peace Prize Laureates DD&D™ there.*
for once u got it right ….then u contradict yourself right away !
*The American plutes are clearly concerned that that ‘political instability’ might bring down not only their ‘good thing’, working in concert with the Plutocrats’ Republic, but also that – once China founders the world will founder economically.
That political instability will then spread: globalize. That just as the world economy will be plunged into world recession/depression, so too will the resulting ‘political instability’ spread worldwide. And they’re the ones with the targets on their backs*
which is it, please make up your mind ?
*So they’re quite willing to throw the Chinese billionaire emigres under the bus to save themselves. No honor among thieves.*
well i’ve news for ya sherlock,
those *Chinese billionaire emigres * to the usa that the ccp is going after happens to be corrupt official/commercial crooks who absconded with their ill gotten fortune. these are criminals in anbody’s book.
but of course our resident china expect jfl manage to spin it into another ccp persecution of its citizens….with washington’s connivance, no less !
far from *throwing the Chinese billionaire emigres under the bus to save themselves.* , the washington cabal has been paying lip service to china’s request for assistance to extradict but doing nothing to help.
the trillions of booty that these criminals brought with them into usa is of course a strong disincentive to cooperate with beijing, then there’s the added bonus these creeps would be willing assets in the snake’s demonisation campaign against china.
matter of fact it has already started, sobs miss no opportunity to throw mud on beijing. the ability to lie while looking straight into your eyes seem to be embedded in the sobs dna.
*Again, note how America’s supposedly finest newspaper reports allegation as if it
were indisputable fact, and proceeds to quote un-named officials for the source of its story. The New York Times even admits, amid its lurid claims, that: «The [US] officials declined to provide specific evidence of the activities of the [Chinese] agents». In other words, in just one brief sentence judiciously buried in the text, its convoluted lead story on China’s undercover spies vanishes in a puff of smoke.
Chinese media deprecated the undercover-agents story as «fantasy», saying that Beijing has fully informed Washington, and other governments, of its program to investigate financial criminals who have fled China. Beijing says that its police
officers are present in the US under official auspices as part of its international operation to track down expatriates suspected of corruption. The Beijing-based Global Times claimed that the real story is that the US has steadfastly refused to cooperate with the Chinese government in bringing individuals to justice and that Washington is affording these alleged fugitives immunity from prosecution.
According to the Global Times: «The Chinese believe that Washington is not sincere in helping China in its anti-corruption campaign. Some American elites are actually happy to see more corrupt officials fleeing to the US with their enormous piles of ill-gotten gains, and some of them might become a [political] card for the US to play in countering China»*
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42704.htm
*Whether the Chinese government has or has not a case to answer on all these accusations is very much beside the point. And certainly, China is not answerable to Washington. For the United States to make issues about human rights, cyber-
hacking and extrajudicial procedures is the stratospheric height of hypocrisy. It’s almost otherworldly in its absurdity.*
spot on ,
aint the obama, clinton, senator mccunt gang *insufferable cunts* ? its you who somehow take it personal and invite yourself into that charmed circle. !
how did our moa’s resident *china watcher* manage to get it wrong at every turn about china, i think an appointment with eye specialist is called for, i suspect *jaundiced eyes*,
hehehe
i did say you are good for an editorial post at the wsj, guardian, nyt etc
no kidding.
Posted by: denk | Sep 30 2015 3:21 utc | 121
Despite Pope’s Appeal, US State Executes 1st Woman in 70 Years
The last woman before Kelly Renee to be executed in Georgia was on March 5, 1945, when Lena Baker was killed in the electric chair for murdering her employer, whom she argued had abused her. She claimed she responded in self-defense and Georgia’s parole board pardoned her in 2005, saying it was a “grievous error” that she was denied clemency.
Hey, you know if you’re going to executing people, once in a while you’re gonna make a mistake. You know, like ‘collateral damage’.
So whaddaya gonna do? Stop executing people on accounta a few mistakes?
Posted by: jfl | Sep 30 2015 10:31 utc | 122
the sobs targets germany…..
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id898.html
Posted by: denk | Sep 30 2015 16:00 utc | 123
Nadezhda Savchenko’s trial in Russia. If you don’t know or forgot, Savchenko is the moderate Nazi who is accused of spotting for the Ukie artillery that took out two Russian reporters. In english.
https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/2015/09/29/savchenko-case-september-29/
h/t https://marknesop.wordpress.com/
Posted by: ruralito | Sep 30 2015 20:49 utc | 125
State Terror Against People of Color
The message this violence sends to poor people of color is this: We can kill you and your children with impunity. There is nothing you can do about it. You have no rights. You will never be safe. And if you attempt [to] rise up and resist we will kill you and your children en masse.
Hedges is talking about Anaheim California, above. Home of the ‘original’ Disneyland. Read the stories of the mothers of the young men murdered – whose murderers walk, often multiple times.
This is the Amerika that people of no color, us colorless people, ignore, if we think of it at all. Racial segregation is de facto in most of the USA.
These are the guys exporting democracy to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine … is it any wonder that it’s turned out as it has. Death, devastation, and destruction followed by chaos.
And if you cannot get the oil out by yourselves amid the chaos, the same kind of guys who terrorize the people of color in Anaheim will be rotated out of their cop uniforms into their US Army/Blackwater uniforms and sent back to the areas around the oilfields and pipelines … to ‘stabilize’ the situation : to terrorize and kill you in person.
Posted by: jfl | Oct 1 2015 6:46 utc | 126
sobs target germany…
*only 6,4% of all tweets with “#RefugeesWelcome”+Germany came from Germany itself. Almost half of them were originated from UK, USA and Australia! Looks like your remote planetmates are blushlessly inviting guests to visit your home without inquiring your opinion beforehand!*
http://www.voltairenet.org/article188774.html
Posted by: denk | Oct 3 2015 3:25 utc | 127
German Government Wants Sanctions on Russia Lifted
Reuters recently reported that Germany’s minister for economic affairs, Mr. Sigmar Gabriel “encouraged” the lift of sanctions – essentially, he appealed strongly to the U.S. to cease imposing its sanctions. Those very sanctions by which the nations of Europe must abide were imposed upon them and enforced by the USA, putting huge pressure on the EU to bring EU member-states into line, regardless of local political will or economic consequences.
Cease imposing the US’ sanctions, Germans! Germany needs to follow Russia’s example and act according to its own interests. Following the US over the cliff is in no one’s interests. Certainly not in Germany’s.
Just do it. Drop the sanctions. What more harm can the US do to Germany – and its other European vassals – than it’s done already?
Why continue to ride in your own car with a madman at the wheel? Grab the wheel and save yourselves! The US is unhinged, its present government unmindful of its own citizens interests, it certainly cares not a whit for you Germans. Wake up! If you continue to sleepwalk through this – what will you tell your children and grand children when unmitigable disaster unfolds?
Whose side are you on? Will you remain a ‘faithful’ member of the pro-terror coalition? Or will you straighten up and join the anti-terror coalition? Do you still not realize, now, what you have done?
Posted by: jfl | Oct 3 2015 3:32 utc | 128
Interesting that the Saker blog has gone into ‘quiet mode’ soon after he spent several posts clearly (for the early foresighted pundits) misreading Russia’s moves in Syria and just as the real action begins. Hmmmm, … yes, well we all get a bit tired from time to time but how convenient is this little monthly blog ‘nap’? Has he been told to pull his head in or risk his ‘legal alien’ status? Or is he just devoting his skills and talents to ‘paid employment’ by certain agencies? No blame, just a question in mind…
Posted by: doveman | Oct 3 2015 3:57 utc | 129
About this book, William Blum, Americas Deadliest Export : Democracy, 2013
For over sixty-five years, the United States war machine has been on automatic pilot. Since World War II we have been conditioned to believe that America’s motives in ‘exporting’ democracy are honorable, even noble. In this startling and provocative book, William Blum, a leading dissident chronicler of US foreign policy and the author of controversial bestseller Rogue State, argues that nothing could be further from the truth. Moreover, unless this fallacy is unlearned, and until people understand fully the worldwide suffering American policy has caused, we will never be able to stop the monster.
The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate has literally done an awful lot to educate people, to help us all understand fully the worldwide suffering American policy has caused … and perhaps that will be his legacy : he taught us how evil the US government really was.
Of course it was Vladimir Putin who gave him the introduction, and then stood back for his lecture, and we looked at each other aghast, as BOb, in his own defense, unknowingly recapitulated it all before us. But it just may be the case that, indeed, thus the monster was finally stopped.
Posted by: jfl | Oct 3 2015 6:36 utc | 130
@129 cont’d…
Yep, I thought so: “Copyright © The Saker, The Saker, 2015” footnoting a recent Syrian recap in http://www.globalresearch.ca
No blame Saker, everyone’s gotta eat … but as a longer-term reader of the blog I remember all the noise about his new blog in “.is” land and how distinct he was by virtue of his ready delving into the mystical and giving it all away for free and ‘peace on earth’ etc.
Posted by: doveman | Oct 3 2015 8:56 utc | 131
Just because he’s copyrighted his work doesn’t mean he’s not still giving it away. It does mean that others cannot charge you for his work, however, without his permission. Which seems totally consistent to me.
Posted by: jfl | Oct 3 2015 9:27 utc | 132
‘Stuff happens,’ Jeb Bush says of Oregon college massacre
“I think the American people should hear that and make their own judgments based on the fact that every couple of months we have a mass shooting,” Obama said at a press conference on Friday. “They can decide whether or not they consider that ‘stuff happening.’”
Officials said they recovered thirteen weapons linked to the gunman, identified as 26-year-old Chris Harper Mercer, raising new concerns about easy access to guns in the US.
Well … he works for the NRA. Stuff happens. Collateral damage. Get used to it. How can people even consider voting for someone named Bush … or Clinton, or Kennedy … why not just appoint one of them king? Then have a mud-wrestling match to determie which dynasty resumes when one dies out?
Anyone who’ll say stuff like this to please his contributors … anyone who’d consider voting for someone who’d say something like this to please his contributors … it’s not enough to sell weapons to the Saudis to kill the Yemenis … they have to sell guns to Americans to kill Americans. Don’t leave a dime on the table.
We don’t have to vote for one of their pre-selected monsters. We can hold our own primaries in our ~175,000 precincts, choose candidates from among ourselves, and put an actual, real person in the White House, and real people in the House and Senate. Just a question of the will to do so, and the organizing to make it happen.
If we don’t this is what we get. There’s no one here but ourselves. No on with our interests at heart but us.
Posted by: jfl | Oct 3 2015 9:56 utc | 133
How is the two-fer of happy endings that some posters saw coming out of the Russian intervention in Syria coming along?
Well, nothing says “rapproachment” like escalating air-strikes and bellicose rhetoric from Moscow and Washington, respectively.
But maybe things are moving along in the Ukraine? It would appear so, but virtual is not reality.
New Cold War reproduces the AP and TASS on the postponing of DPR and LPR local elections. Scheduled to roughly coincide with those in Banderastan, they are being moved to February 2016. The AP reports mostly Poroshenko crowing about his step for peace. But it does end by quoting a senior official of the parliament on foreign affairs, Leonid Slutsky, as say “I have doubts about how much capacity Poroshenko has to fulfill his obligations.”
TASS of course gives him a few more electrons. Kiev passed laws supposedly implementing Minsk-2 earlier in the summer. But they did not involve, consult, or agree with the DNR/LPR “terrorist” authorities, as called for by the agreement, Novorossiyans observed.
“Let us hope that the Ukrainian authorities will stop imitating the implementation of Minsk-2 and will make a necessary effort towards the implementation of the Paris agreements to have the elections in Donetsk and Luhansk and see a special status granted at last to the republics….”
For a current report on the situation, Fort Russ translates an item from a Lugansk informational website. It is a condensed interview with Gleb Bobrov, the head of the LPR Writers’ Union, arguing that The Kiev authorities are afraid of peace in Donbas. The unidentified author gives this account of his views:
According to him, the problem is not in the personalities representing the regime in Kiev, but in the algorithm of actions of the current ruling elite that seized power in an armed coup and in total manipulation of public opinion. For them, real peace means a social explosion and an armed uprising, since it will be impossible to explain to the Ukrainian society why thousands of people have been killed, tens of thousands maimed and the country’s economy destroyed.
It goes on to quote him as well.
The question arises – what the heroes of the “Revolution of dignity” died for?… For the sake of which great goal the country’s economy was brought down, the infrastructure of entire regions destroyed, even illusory energy security completely lost?
And the answer is simple – the Kiev puppets were carrying out the will of the external master and hastily lining their own pockets, trying to grab as much as possible before the inevitable fleeing. But, of course, one cannot say it out loud. As a result we have a zugzwang [a chess term, from the German, for a situation where all available moves are bad, says UrbanDictionary]: they cannot implement the agreement and it is also impossible not to implement it. What they are doing is trying to procrastinate, inventing new interpretations.
It is surprising that the Ukrainian society does not see this obvious fact. After all, the more this situation comes to a deadlock, the more painful will be the losses. Today the snowball of problems has reached an incredible size. Further delay and aggravation of the situation could lead to a total collapse of the Ukrainian statehood.
Though he later took it down, a senior adviser to the Interior Ministry, Anton Gerashchenko, used Facebook to call upon ISIS militants in Russia and ordinary citizens to Help ISIS take revenge on Russian soldiers in Syria by looking at the news film and trying to identify the personnel involved. “[T]he Ukrainian politician invited all people having information about the Russians involved in the operation against terrorists to send this information to the ‘Peacemaker’ website.” The site gained notoriety by posting the personal details of journalist Oles Buzina before his murder.
That’s just the sort of behavior one might expect to see in the desperate and deluded. Glory to the heroes….
Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 8 2015 0:10 utc | 134
And further to 134 —
In violation of Minsk-2 agreement, Kyiv’s foreign minister says no special status for Donbas and no amnesty for self-defense forces also cites the relevant sections of the Minsk text, as well as this quote from the Rada’s website by the chair, Volodymyr Groysman: “The draft constitutional amendments do not envision any special status to any of the territories. No amnesty to the persons, who committed crimes against humanity, is possible.”
Posted by: rufus magister | Oct 8 2015 12:12 utc | 135