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September 15, 2015

NYT Said To Appease Murderous Egyptian Dictator

Why is the New York Times fudging on the Egyptian army murder of tourists?

"said to ..."
"might have ..."
"it is claimed ..."

Non of those caveats fits the content of the report. An Egyptian army helicopter shot up a group of Mexican tourists, their guides and their guards in bright daylight. The Egyptian governments admits that much:

The helicopter crew had mistaken the lunching tourists for a camp of Islamist militants operating in the area, the Interior Ministry said in a statement Monday.

There are also witness statements as well as an Egyptian army attempt to blame the victims. There is absolutely nothing in the report that justifies the caveat "said to" in the headline. This is rather like headlining "Nazi Germany said to have killed Jews". Would the NYT ever write such? Why then use a caveat for this incident?

Unless of course you would not want to disturb the relation with the bloody Egyptian dictatorship.

Posted by b on September 15, 2015 at 8:15 UTC | Permalink



Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar lying in the gutter.

The same reason the NYT doesn't splash headlines every hour about the latest refugee boat sinking. Who cares?

The same reason Der Stern didn't publish daily reports of the post-WW2 atrocities against German citizens held in US internment camps. Nobody cared.

The same reason the London Times didn't report on the Indian holocaust during the Bengal Famine. Nobody cared.

"It's just business, get over it!"

Posted by: Chipnik | Sep 15 2015 8:57 utc | 1


… This is rather like headlining "Nazi Germany said to have killed Jews". Would the NYT ever write such?

Are you sure they didn’t write that at the time?

Posted by: Philippe | Sep 15 2015 9:47 utc | 2

Any adult male in area should be considered enemy combatant. If anyone complains, just say it's the American way. Birds of a feather...

It's obvious, if they complain about Egypt, imagine all those nameless people that are killed by drone strikes.

Posted by: Sam (AntiNWO) | Sep 15 2015 10:24 utc | 3


Posted by: mcohen | Sep 15 2015 10:44 utc | 4

Here is a different version....without the nazi reference

Posted by: mcohen | Sep 15 2015 10:49 utc | 5

Safe to heed travel advice here and here. So the travelers opted for adventure ...

The Bahariya Oasis stretches over 2000 sq. km.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 15 2015 11:18 utc | 6

Or it's like the CNN/Yahoo headline "Clashes rock Jerusalem's Al-Aqsa mosque compound" when the facts were "Israeli Security Storms Al-Aqsa Mosque During Services". There were numerous videos and photos showing the unprovoked, just to piss them off, assault. and reported the event accurately.

Posted by: fairleft | Sep 15 2015 11:28 utc | 7

America's favorite targets in Iraq and Afghanistan were wedding parties with AK-47s firing in the air. Haven't heard of these targets in ISIS caliphate. ;-)

Perhaps France (Hollande) and Britain (Cameron) can locate these soft targets in Syria ... targeting IS militants ... or not.

The coalition of 5 eyes is better off without Tony Abbott in Australia .. good riddance. Turnbull won't be much better, at least he understands global economics, debt piles and austerity measures as former partner of Goldman Sachs. :-(

Posted by: Oui | Sep 15 2015 11:34 utc | 8

Bring back the Muslim Brotherhood. This wouldn't have happened if it was still in power. The NYT is an Israeli rag.

Posted by: Morsi | Sep 15 2015 12:10 utc | 9

Some tourists love dangerous or forbidden places... It is part of the excitment.

Posted by: virgile | Sep 15 2015 13:29 utc | 10

The egyptian ambassador in Mexico City used to boast the "24 hours security" in tourist sites, Cairo and surrounding areas, thanks to the "democratic" coup against president Morsi...

Posted by: guy | Sep 15 2015 14:09 utc | 11

The body of the article is quite forceful:

In its statement on Monday, the Interior Ministry sought instead to blame the tour guide — who was killed in the attack — by suggesting that the convoy had entered a “banned area” without permission.

A Mexican tourist group “was present in the same banned area” as a group of “terrorist elements” that the military and police forces had been chasing, the ministry’s statement said. It also said a team had been formed to look into “the accident and the justifications for the presence of the tourist group in the aforementioned banned area.”

But the official union of tour guides and friends of the trip’s leader circulated photographs of the convoy’s official permit on the Internet. Union officials and friends of the guide said the tour had stuck to a common, widely used tourist route. The tour had passed through several police checkpoints and had moved only with the approval of its tourist police escort.

The convoy had “no information that this region is banned, no warning signs, and no instructions from checkpoints on the road, or the Tourism and Antiquities policeman present with them,” Hassan el-Nahla, the chairman of the General Union of Tourist Guides, said in a statement.


The screwup was as bad as they go. There was a clash in the area, and tourists had a special police escort. Military should send the warning to police, and get info on tourists.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 15 2015 14:59 utc | 12

Ya mean the israeli-approved Arab dictator (as opposed to the non-israeli approved Arab dictators, Saddam, Gaddaffi, Assad) is getting GOOD PRESS from the house propaganda horn the New York Times???

Posted by: farflungstar | Sep 15 2015 15:04 utc | 13

Egypt;We aint seen nothing yet there.A powderkeg of religion and a dictatorship designed to impede religion and democracy,for Zion.
I assume these were Mexico's best and brightest?(who else could afford a desert junket to Egypt?)

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 15 2015 15:08 utc | 14

saudi arabia.. i notice the nyt, wapo and wsj are not wanting to upset the saudi regime by mentioning they ''might'' be murdering innocent people in yemen either... apparently the dictatorships that have a cozy relationship with the usa don't have to worry much about what they do.. israel is another case in point... they might have a special arrangement in having zionists on their side!

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2015 16:06 utc | 15

funny how NYT always has stuff ready to unload on these countries, anytime a big development occurs.

Got these two pieces linked from that witch Clarissa Ward's twitter:

Posted by: aaaaa | Sep 15 2015 17:25 utc | 16

Aahhh! "Murderous Egyptian Dictator"!
It would certainly have been better with Morsi?
And BTW, b, arent't you a regular reader of Sic Semper Tyrannis?
Did you miss the post which explains that these blunders are kinda the "regular operating procedure" of the Egyptian army?

Looks like MOA is just another crappy propaganda outlet (beside the usual loony commenters I mean)

Posted by: acrimonious | Sep 15 2015 18:37 utc | 17

Compare this Empire times coverage to its 'Russia invades Donesk' BS.

Posted by: tom | Sep 15 2015 19:46 utc | 18

From Judith Miller's nuclear fantasy in Iraq, the NYT has long lost its credibility. People tend to believe the opposite of what they write.

Posted by: Virgile | Sep 15 2015 19:59 utc | 19

Perhaps this sudden stab in the back has to do with the reports of weapon deliveries from Egypt to Syria by the request of Russia?
Could be a "informed tip" that led to this huge mistake or it's just a simple honest mistake that cost the lives of some tourists.

Posted by: Gehennah | Sep 15 2015 21:28 utc | 20

this sudden stab in the back has to do with the reports of weapon deliveries from Egypt to Syria by the request of Russia?

link Gehennah?

Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 15 2015 22:40 utc | 21


Thanks for the link.

Posted by: mcohen | Sep 15 2015 22:53 utc | 22

Now the truth comes out: the West had their chance to have Assad go, with the blessing of Russia no less. But they said no.

West 'ignored Russian offer in 2012 to have Syria's Assad step aside'

Russia proposed more than three years ago that Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, could step down as part of a peace deal, according to a senior negotiator involved in back-channel discussions at the time.

Former Finnish president and Nobel peace prize laureate Martti Ahtisaari said western powers failed to seize on the proposal. Since it was made, in 2012, tens of thousands of people have been killed and millions uprooted, causing the world’s gravest refugee crisis since the second world war.

Western fools! Now who is it who is making things in Syria harder again? Now who should we blame for 250,000 dead and a massive refugee crisis? Who is it who is prefers to achieve their aims using the bloodiest kinds of warfare - negotiations and peace are not acceptable even if getting all of their stated aims handed to them on a silver platter? What is the west's game anyway? Is it really Assad they want to go, or is it just bloodshed and destruction they want to see in Syria?

Where is slowthrowup and Louis Proyect now, to moan about "Russia and Assad, those tyrants"?

It's on full display now. The "leaders" of the West are vile and bloodthirsty.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 16 2015 0:02 utc | 23

@23 guest77.. sloth has been temporarily replaced by mcohen and acrimonious.. plenty of drivel to go around..

Posted by: james | Sep 16 2015 0:13 utc | 24

@ b: "Unless of course you would not want to disturb the relation with the bloody Egyptian dictatorship."

Correct b!

For those confused, see post #1.

Posted by: ben | Sep 16 2015 0:30 utc | 25

Funny you should speculate how the NYTimes would have handled something like Nazi Germany. As it happens, I was recently able to find an August 28, 1939, New York Times Magazine longform piece --done in the best fawning, real-estate-obsessed NYTMag way we know and love today--on Hitler's Berghof. Not making this up. Headline's "Herr Hitler: At Home in the Clouds." Extracts on subjects such as Berchtesgaden's "pleasantly weathered larchwood shingles" can be read here,

Posted by: Claud | Sep 16 2015 1:31 utc | 26

The Guardian Reveals the West Ignored Russian Offer to Depose Assad in 2012

Posted by: ben | Sep 16 2015 1:38 utc | 27

Apologies for the redundancy at 27.

Posted by: ben | Sep 16 2015 1:43 utc | 28

I'd like to think of the most Pollyanna phrase as the drone strike reigned down from the lethal vehicle. To have the most vertiginous bullshit to project into reality!

Posted by: Jay M | Sep 16 2015 1:47 utc | 29

@28 That story deserves to be posted again and again and again and again. I've long ceased to be surprised by blood-thirsty fakery of our masters, but this has my head spinning. It really, really does.

Everything they claim every single day that they wanted, they were offered and they said "no".

There is only one explanation - they don't want "Assad to go", they want dead Syrians. Period.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 16 2015 3:04 utc | 30

Consider too that we are talking about an offer being made in Feb 2012. This is well into the war. Just 5 months later, we know the DIA, from their documents, knew that al Qaeda was a major factor, and that the "opposition" was turning to sectarian, genocide to accomplish their aims. Surely they had hints of these incredibly dangerous trends just some months before, no? And that means, that with all these horrible things happening, with all these huge things at risk, knowing that Syria was turning into a sectarian bloodbath lead by the hardest core of the hard core al Qaeda fanatics - they still gave the Russians a resounding "NO" to their peace offer!

What conclusion, then is to be drawn? It is clear: That the West wants to see genocide in Syria, that the West wants to see al Qaeda and ISIL in Syria and spreading to Iraq. That the West wants to see Syria as it is now, destroyed, depopulated, bleeding and its people headed to Europe as refugees. The only conclusion is that the West wants all of these things far, far more than they want "Assad to go".

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 16 2015 3:23 utc | 31

@31 - but is the story really so concrete that it supports an "only conclusion"?

Even ignoring that the source is the Guardian, the story as I've read it at Russia Insider is rather tentative, like background diplomacy that doesn't usually get revealed. It seems an exploratory foray by tentative go-betweens, and we perhaps can't parse this as formal offer and rejection between Kremlin and Washington.

The west has been obsessed with the removal of Assad, and the US remains so obsessed. I haven't studied the situation enough to know why, although it nags at me. I assume the US wants Assad gone because of the Qatar pipeline pipe-dream, that the US can't shake from its vision.

Either way, I don't see yet a clear proof from this story that Russia was ready even to think of replacing Assad. There was simply no call for it then, nor is there now, and Dr. Assad has said himself in recent weeks that Russia has never broken faith with Syria, and will not.

I think all we can conclude truly is that the US remains fixated on a vision that history is strongly signalling will not happen.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 16 2015 8:00 utc | 32

@31 guest @32 grieved

Although I agree with guest that the goal of US 'foreign policy' at this point is the destruction of the nation states of the Eatern Europe, North Africa, South/Central America, and the Middle East which it does not feel it controls, I dont buy this story.

First of all it comes from a Finn.

But more importantly because I think that in 2012 the Russians had not yet discovered the true nature of the Neolibraconian Emperor's plans. They were slow, as all of us were, to come to grips with the blackhole at the heart of Neolibraconia.

No, the USA wants vassals and collapsed states.

But the mounting pile of corpses of collapsed states, their putrid cell membranes ruptured, spewing forth their broken, devastated contents, now taking their toll among the vassal populations, are beginning to conjure visions of their own fate among the emperor's vassals themselves.

More and more of them will come to the same conclusion that Russia finally reached, as it watched the US and its European Unit resurrect NAZIsm on its doorstep in Ukraine : there is no future with the aged, mad emperor. He eats the corpses of enemies and friends alike.

They are all beginning to look at the mad, emperor himself and are furtively sharpening their knives.

Posted by: jfl | Sep 16 2015 8:29 utc | 33

31 g77

You have to remember that MoA is a blog obsessed with the geopolitics of US-EU-RU, and not much else. Then so, refugees and collateral Mexicans simply don't fit into that equation.

We are exposing clues and artifacts from a very old Vampire culture, a gold-and-bones cult of many centuries, with just a few pages recovered from their play-book, like for example, the Marcos-Bush-Khashoggi gold-for-junk-bonds-for-RU-oil scam that netted them some $250B, destroyed the Soviet Union, and eventually led to 9/11. Now THAT'S a real story to reveal.
The same grift game plan is playing out in Kiev right now, if you bothered to look, surely another false flag disaster is in the immediate offing, as Poroshenko defaults on his junk.

So if you'll permit an analogy: you are facing Lebron James at mid-court, and it's the last game of the semi-finals, there's 10-seconds on the clock and you're up by 2-points. Are you really going to obsess over whether the ball is properly inflated or your shoes regulation? Lebron is about to hand you your ass!

That's what Albright really meant when she said, "On the whole, I think it was worth it."
Vampire don't think about refugees, they don't waste a nano-second on Kim Davis or illegal immigrants, or PP's hot babies. They focus like a blood laser on seizing power and wealth.

So don't you, (unless we're about to convert MoA into a charity hub for refugee relief.) That's what I meant in post 1. Who cares? It just distracts from the play by play that we are now truly responsible to uncover and reveal, since the Fifth Estate was taken private.

Again, imagine if Woodward / Bernstein got sidetracked by some snazzy new hot-dog cart in the 'hood, and chose to write a nice human interest story about sausage and sauerkraut and hopeful immigrant families, instead of covering a Watergate break-in? Or say, Iran-Contra? What if, instead of an expose of North, Poindexter and Guatemalan nuns being pushed out of helicopters, all we got was a nice story about Baltimore junkies being given free needles?


Follow the money! Uncover the grift! Expose the perps! Who shot down MH17, for example, and why have the Dutch put a lid on the investigation? You can't do anything for the passengers on that plane, ...they're dead! You can't do anything for the Yazadis, for the Yemenis, for the Syrians and Gazans, the whole 'charity' world is a vast 'rice-tent' grift machine, and
besides, emotion and anger cloud judgement and clarity. The world needs cold, hard vision.

Let's have fewer flame wars here on MoA, a lot less 'disaster' hand-wringing, and more of The VotSaker. This joint is starting to smell like an 20thC Indian Raj Good Old Boys Club.

Posted by: NoReply | Sep 16 2015 9:29 utc | 34

guest77 @23:
Thanks for posting that, should be shouted whereever possible at the invade Syria pundits and lobbyists.

Grieved @31
"The west has been obsessed with the removal of Assad, and the US remains so obsessed. ... I think all we can conclude truly is that the US remains fixated on a vision that history is strongly signalling will not happen."

jfl #32
"No, the USA wants vassals and collapsed states."

Because it thinks it can (and because it is grossly anti-intellectual), the U.S. has decided to discard reality in its drive for complete world dominance. We know the famous quote from the Bush era a-hole disparaging 'reality-based' analysis, and some thought that was neocon craziness, but it was in fact the permanent bipartisan empire machine expressing its new truth.

But, the problem with discarding reality is that it only works _after_ you've attained complete world domination. So, the US world domination effort is failing, and quicker than we might expect, looking at the immense present-day economic and military power of the West.

Anyway, in the post-reality age you can't think too deeply about why the US is making some seemingly nonsensical move, like overthrowing an Assad or Saddam Hussein who were and would be imperfect but on the whole very 'good' US allies. Or 10-15 years ago alienating a Russia that at the time wanted to be brought into the Western financial/economic empire in the form of joining the EU. There is no 'deep game' here, these acts are stupid and nonsensical because they _are_ from any 'Great Game' strategic perspective. In 'post-reality' land, US crazies/strategizers freely believe without bothering with evidence that Russia, Iran, China, and ten or so other non-vassal states occupying the center of Eurasia and oil-rich southwest of Asia are all on the precipice of catastrophic failure and capitulation to 'our' Western bankers and foreign policy schemers.

Posted by: fairleft | Sep 16 2015 11:13 utc | 35

James the mossad cuck in employ of Zionist masters should swallow my pride

Posted by: mcohen | Sep 16 2015 11:35 utc | 36

james @ 24: Kinda' miss slothrop, but, the names change, the game is still the same, attack the messenger, not the message. This blog has always had " the you know whos", and, it's an "election" year in the US, so excpect it.

I post this again, as a public service:

Posted by: ben | Sep 16 2015 12:44 utc | 37

P.S.- Tip o' the hat to all you folks who understand the evil afoot, spread around the globe by the "Corporate Empire", and their minions.

Wish I could write like you. Your postings are a service to humanity.

Posted by: ben | Sep 16 2015 13:06 utc | 38

USA is a great power and we can screw up on a larger scale than that. Wedding parties? How about a civilian jetliner? Shooting them down and getting away with it marks your presence in the top tier.

Announcing super duper evidence collected by electronic means and refusing to show to anyone? Ah, it ads some spice to one of the jetliner affairs, but in 21st century, any police department in USA (and elsewhere) can do it. A policeman in San Antonio killed a man standing with hands up from a pretty safe distance, but the police claims that another video shows that he had a knife in his hand. But no details about that knife (like size, from what spot it was recovered if it was recovered) nor the video will be shown, so we will just have to trust that the police legitimately killed the guy. This is not the best possible illustration, but the story from the past week. So of course Egypt denies that the valiant helicopter crew did anything improper. But this is tricky. Tourists will start asking what is the extend of the open season for tourists (hunters should still spare them if they are within 300 ft of human habitation, but this was open desert).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 16 2015 15:09 utc | 39

What a bunch of baloney. Only a useful idiot or an agent provocateur would call President Sisi a "bloody dictator". It's Morsi, a British-created Muslim Brotherhood (freemasons) stooge (just like Erdogan is for imperialistic "divide and conquer") who shed blood and lusted for more when called and prepared for war against Syria and all Shias (not so hardto lookup for somebody who really cares for the truth). As a result a known and respected Shia cleric was brutally murdered in Egypt just before the only sane people in that country got rid of that Morsi inhumane, treasonous monster. Morsi also planned to sell the Suez Canal to the Wahhabi dictatorships, take huge loans from the IMF, but luckily for the Egyptian people those disasters were also stopped in tracks.

Just to make things clear read this and try to understand that Sisi is the most staunch ally of Putin in the region, successfully derailing e.g. Saudis plots. Outrageous claims about any Israel-Egypt alliance are obviously just another example of the zionist "kiss of death" propaganda psyop technique.

Al-Monitor: "Russia and Egypt's 'new partnership'

Between Feb. 9 and 10, Russia’s President Vladimir Putin paid an official visit to Egypt, thus reciprocating an August 2014 Russia visit by Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. Shortly before Putin’s trip, Moscow's analyst community suggested that the Russia-Egypt relationship might be elevated to a strategic partnership. The makings of such a shift included the parties’ shared positions on a number of regional issues; closely aligned interests (particularly on fighting international terrorism); a successful track record of bilateral cooperation on various fronts; and a strong personal bond of trust between respective leaders.

Posted by: ProsperousPeace | Sep 17 2015 0:00 utc | 41

@34, I didn't quite get all of that, but I got most of it (I think). Fair points, especially for being here at MoA.

But for the rest of those people in the USA, who hum along and think "we're just trying to save Syria from Assad" because that's all they've heard, I do think it takes some very clear and simple examples to make them realize that what they think... it ain't so. You can't discount the snowball effect of crushed expectations - I like to think of the US before the JFK Assassination, and the US immediately following the Church Committee and the HSCA. Those were years where people's view of their government were reversed 180 degrees. Wether people understood all of the "inside baseball" of it or not, they mostly got that they were being lied to and people were getting killed. And they threw the brakes on to a remarkable degree until Reagan institutionalized America's background fascism.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 17 2015 1:35 utc | 42

@42 guest

Those were years where people's view of their government were reversed 180 degrees. Wether people understood all of the "inside baseball" of it or not, they mostly got that they were being lied to and people were getting killed. And they threw the brakes on to a remarkable degree ... until Reagan institutionalized America's background fascism.

And what intervened? The 'oil crisis' of 1973. Prior to that people laughed at economic insecurity. Nobody'd think twice about walking of one job and taking another one, if they felt like it. The economics went south thereafter, and along with the economics the 'luxury' of self-determination and 'morals'.

It's worse today. Not a peep today. Long lines to be a drone pilot, or to build the cosmodemonic devices. Hey. you gatta make a buck, you know. I do know. We all gotta make a buck. The financial-industrial complex has us all right where it wants us. None of that 'dissent' stuff, none of that self-determination stuff.

With the money funneled to the asset bubble that's keeping the rollers rollin's high we could have ... 'freedom from want' in the USA.

And you know who doesn't want that. Better to burn the money, use it for genocide, than 'freedom from want'. That's un-American. The 'freedom' they're into is their freedom to exploit and oppress and then plough the capital gains into more exploitation and oppression.

Posted by: jfl | Sep 17 2015 4:35 utc | 43

Officials cite lack of permit

The group of tourists and their local guides were staying at a hotel in the touristic area of Bahariya Oasis, around 350km southwest of Cairo. The area is a popular site for camping, safari trips, and hiking.The resort is located in the vast Western Desert, which occupies much of the western part of Egypt.

Rasha Azazi, a spokesperson for the Egyptian Ministry of Tourism, told AP that the tour company involved "did not have permits and did not inform authorities." She also said that visits to the Faräfra area in the White Desert, near to Bahariya Oasis, need to be cleared by officials first.

The desert, which runs along Egypt's western borders, has been exploited by Islamist militants due to its proximity to volatile and lawless Libya. At least 21 Egyptian soldiers were killed in July 2014 when gunmen attacked a military checkpoint in the New Valley Governorate, in the Western Desert.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 17 2015 7:39 utc | 44

Watch Manufacturing Consent, specifically 1:25:49 to 1:27:13. The practice, how the news gets disassembled, re-edited from the ground up and sold off, isn't new and has been going on since forever.

Posted by: never mind | Sep 17 2015 15:22 utc | 46

Why has a new dictatorship,worse than the old,taken over Egypt wo any pushback from the USA?Israel wishes become reality.

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 17 2015 15:23 utc | 47

41;Ziospeak much?Putin has a common enemy with Sisi,your friends the jihadists,and Putin is very pragmatic.But I doubt Russia would ever prop up the fascist govt. of Sisi,as America does at Israels bidding.
Morsi was the democratically elected President of Egypt.Whatever his faults,they should have bee contested at the ballot box,which in a catastrophe for Egypt,wasn't.
Again,we aint seen nothing yet,the violence will be just put off for awhile,and then kaboom.

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 17 2015 15:38 utc | 48


Just what we need another hysterical Revisionist Historian to set the record straight!

You might not know that Putin also struck a huge trade, arms and energy deal with Saudi Arabia, much larger than the Egypt deal. Russia's new Drone force has Intel Inside and Made in Israel stamped on much of it.

Morsi was going to sell the Suez Canal? That is too ludicrous to contemplate.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Sep 17 2015 15:47 utc | 49

The person that was most happy at Morsi's downfall was Assad. Morsi was threatening to attack the Syrian govt if I remember correctly..

Morsi's shortfall was probably over Palestnians - Israel no doubt had communication with their allies in the Egyptian military, who sprung upon whatever real or hyped-up discontent of Egyptians had over Morsi's rule.

The fact is that Egypt is a disaster that constantly looms. Obama admin seemed to be caught off guard by the coup, but quickly fell in line after his handlers explained the simple logic of what transpired.

Posted by: aaaaa | Sep 17 2015 15:47 utc | 50


Morsi never had control of the Egyptian military so any threats aimed at Assad were rhetorical but he could have supported the rebels. The internal group that was most active and benefited the most from the coup was the falool, business and political power brokers from the Mubarak regime. They did have outside support from the Saudis and Israel.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Sep 17 2015 16:46 utc | 51

@47 dahoit.. yes, and of course mubarak was released under the same leadership as well... one would have to be brain dead to not see how the usa/israel are quite happy with the new military dictator.. the usa never saw a dictator it didn't like, so long as the dictator did what the usa wanted..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2015 16:58 utc | 52

During the reign of HRC at State, she supported the Muslim Brotherhood to chagrin of Saudi Arabia. Support for MB meant support for Qatar, Turkey and Hamas in Gaza. Morsi allowed Islamists to infest the Sinai and become a threat to Israel as history proved correct in terror attacks in Sinai and near Eilat. Turkey's Erdogan supported the arms shipments from Libya, funded by Qatar, to cross the border into northern Syria. Thousands of global jihadists followed the same route to cross into Syria.

The economic might of the Egyptian armed forces was never questioned under Morsi. Fortunately, Morsi was just a puppet for the extremist leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood. Simply look at the history of MB terror for the last 70 years in Egypt. In the past the MB leaders found exile in the Gulf States and Saudi Arabia welcomed them. When the guests showed their true intent, the MB was banned in the Gulf States except for Qatar – see the Thani regime.

With the fall of Morsi [thanking Allah] the MB alliance was defeated and the main Gulf States propped up the Sisi military dictatorship with billions. The feat of widening the Suez Canal inside 12 months will mean a lot of revenue for the state.

The US wasn't happy to see the fall of Morsi ... simple historic fact. The division of the Sunni Gulf States with the MB alliance meant a division in the opposition rebel forces fighting in Syria against Assad. That is the main reason the Geneva talks with the UN and with support of Russia failed to find a diplomatic solution in 2012. HRC was a complete failure as architect of the interventions in Libya and Syria. The White House, State Department, the Pentagon and the National Security Council have no coherent policy for the Middle East, especially for the sectarian wars in Iraq and Syria.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 17 2015 19:14 utc | 53

"Morsi's shortfall was probably over Palestnians" - as I understood, though I didn't follow any closer than anyone else here, was that he was pretty bad on the tunnels and the Rafah Crossing. Not as bad as Sisi, but neither friendly nor supportive towards the Palestinians.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 18 2015 2:20 utc | 55

It appears Russia and Iran are patching things up between Egypt and Syria. Don't know where this leaves the Palestinians. But if it weakens Shtetl Israel it can't be all bad.

For the Syrian state government, their suspension from participation in the Arab League had created a rift between the region’s military powers; specifically, damaged relations with their former ally – Egypt.

However, thanks to repeated efforts by both Russia and Iran, the two historic allies are quickly mending their differences and exchanging intelligence information, despite the Western powers and Saudi Arabia’s disapproval over this rapprochement with the Syrian president, Dr. Bashar Al-Assad.

The Egyptian president, ‘Abdel-Fattah Al-Sisi, has taken a 180 degree turn in favor of the Syrian Arab Army; this promising news has strengthened Dr. Bashar Al-Assad’s presence in the region, while also giving him support from arguably the strongest Arab army.

Posted by: ruralito | Sep 18 2015 2:49 utc | 56

almost forgot h/t

Posted by: ruralito | Sep 18 2015 2:54 utc | 57

Now this article reads like some official PR for the Muslim Brotherhood. Makes me remember why I so hate this utterrly pro-jihad and pro-nazi site.

You got that totally wrong, b (yet again) - the "bloody dictator" was the previous guy called Morsi and his sharia-squad.

Sissi is the guy who freed Egypt of that menace.

As for the "mexicans", first they were in a blocked area and second the whole thing looks like a typical intelligence op. To put it simple, these guys were either spies or their stupidity (entering a closed military area) killed them.

Posted by: zed | Sep 21 2015 12:21 utc | 58

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