After Creating Migration Flood Merkel Throws Up Emergency Dikes
The German chancellor Merkel tried to gain some points with her neoliberal friends and with big companies and donors by suddenly opening the border for "refugees" of all kinds, even for those who come from safe countries. These migrants would help to further depress German wages which, after years of zero growth, slowly started to increase again.
But neither she nor her allies ever prepared the German public for a sudden influx of several hundred thousand foreigners. Changes in immigration policy were sneaked in without any public discussion. Suddenly 800,000 foreign people are expected to arrive this years and many more over the next years. People who neither speak German nor readily fit into the national cultural and social-economic environment. Most of these do not come out of immediate dangers but from safe countries.
While Merkel was lauded by all kinds of Anglo-american neoliberal outlets, from the Economist over FT and Newsweek to the Washington Post the backlash in Germany was brewing. In Who Runs The Migrant Media Campaign And What Is Its Purpose? I predicted:
There will be over time a huge backlash against European politicians who, like Merkel, practically invite more migrants. Wages are stagnant or falling in Europe and unemployment is still much too high. The last thing people in Europe want right now is more competition in the labor market. Parties on the extreme right will profit from this while the center right will lose support.
Despite a major campaign of pro-migrant propaganda in Merkel friendly media the German population in general is furious with her stunt. The backlash comes from all sides but especially from her own conservative party. Additionally many European leaders point out that Merkel, who insistent on sticking to the letter of law in the case of Greece, is now openly breaking European laws and agreements.
The flood of migrants Merkel, and the publicity over her open border policies, released seriously endangers her position in the next elections. The flood now needs to be stopped. Urgently. Merkel is pulling the emergency break:
Germany is preparing to reintroduce some form of controls along its border with Austria, according to local media reports.The German newspaper Bild said Bavarian officials were set to "close" the border with Austria, in what it described as a "dramatic shift in refugee policy".
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Germany's interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, has scheduled a press conference for 6pm local time (5pm BST), when he is expected to announce further details of the planned move.
I predict that in a week or two German borders will be tightly controlled and new migrants will have difficulties to be accepted. Many, if not most of them, will be send back to either their home country or the country they came from.
On this issue Merkel had lost her feeling for German political realities. This might well cost her a reelection. That would then be the only positive effect of this affair.
Posted by b on September 13, 2015 at 16:08 UTC | Permalink
This is the power of Twitter. Politicians don't want to be seen as heartless.
Posted by: dh | Sep 13 2015 16:37 utc | 2
So the brave new world is coming to you also? The brave new world of depressed wages and benefits for the working classes. Corporate Germany is drooling at the prospect of that happening. Good luck b.
Posted by: ben | Sep 13 2015 16:39 utc | 3
... poor Mr. Schäuble, who recently surpassed Mrs. Merkel in popularity in Germany, is under extreme pressure, mostly by the German capital, to "restructure" the eurozone through the Greek experiment. The German oligarchy is now in a cruel competition mostly with the US companies to hyper-automate production. It sends continuous signals that human labor will be unnecessary for its big companies and presses the German leadership to finish the experiment in Greece.
Poor Mr. Schäuble must give "earth and water" to the German oligarchs. He must organize a new Treuhand for the whole Europe to sell-off public property, he must completely dissolve labor rights, bring down pensions and wages, destroy the social state. He must end quickly with Greece and pass all the "Greek achievements" to the whole eurozone.
Posted by: nmb | Sep 13 2015 16:57 utc | 4
b says:
The flood now needs to be stopped. Urgently.
but of course that would require the dissolution of NATO, a cease in hostilities in the refugee homelands and environs, massive reparation payments and the establishment of reciprocally congenial political relations.
none of which seem to be part of the discourse. official nor public.
Posted by: john | Sep 13 2015 17:03 utc | 5
Looks like Germany has imposed border controls. So Schengen goes the way of many such grandiose ideas when knocked by reality.
Only time until the Euro currency goes the way of the dodo. You can't have a fixed exchange rate system without a mechanism for adjustment. France will never agree to real wage adjustments as Germany has done under Schroeder. So, the other choice is a Federal Europe with taxation and borrowing at that Federal level. Not going to happen anytime soon as each country in the EU hangs on to its nationalist and cultural identity.
The refugee crisis from the Middle East is a direct result of US & European meddling in the affairs of the various tribes and sects there resulting in complete chaos and a humanitarian nightmare for the people there.
Posted by: ab initio | Sep 13 2015 17:12 utc | 6
'changes in immigration policy were sneaked in'... That's your definition of "democracy" for you.
Posted by: par4 | Sep 13 2015 17:38 utc | 7
thanks b for highlight more merkel bullshit..
i agree with john @5... good luck on that...
Posted by: james | Sep 13 2015 17:59 utc | 8
Sadly it seems the Germans are acting in the same way that the Greeks a few weeks back.
First the Greeks go for a referendum---then when they get the vote they were looking for
they inexplicably fold in to the troika.
Now its the Germans turn to throw out contradictory actions.
First its "we must be good Europeans---let them all in"
and once they've opened the floodgates
next its----"oops---we've just opened the floodgates---big mistake"
Posted by: chris m | Sep 13 2015 19:31 utc | 9
I live in Germany in a village near the Austria border. Our village is broke: too much debt. The people in Germany are taxed to death with over a 50 percent tax rate. In addition, the Euro took a lot of buying power away from us. And Germans are fleeing many areas to get away from the Ghettos of migrants that have come before.
The propaganda machine in running 24/7 about how great these migrants are for Germany. Unfortunately in this case, the propaganda is not working. For example, my son’s school teacher tried to set an example by being nice to a local black migrant by saying a few kind words only to be told – F*ck you lady. In any case, if you have eyes you can see migrants are a burden.
It is a fact that Migrants get everything for free. They are not allowed to work for the first year and are given free health care, dental, accommodations, etc. In addition, the police do not like to bother them, so unless it is really bad, they just get away with it.
So, how do you expect to pay for all of this? Where is the money going to come from? And did I mention that no one in our village supports the idea of have more migrants. In my opinion, this is a case of going too far. The politicians have now lost the population and they are back-tracking.
Posted by: Peter B. | Sep 13 2015 20:12 utc | 11
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 13 2015 20:23 utc | 12
@10, his rant is true, likewise the window (Agu/Sept) and the influx (Afgah/Kosovo for example, all US doings) must have been planned and funded, jyst need to find the money flow. Looks like Germany is getting the brunt, and could be the US's doing to Merkle as a slap for not following the agenda.
Posted by: Kevin | Sep 13 2015 20:43 utc | 14
b. you are an economic analphabet. These refugees mean workers and jobs. Or how do you think their houses will be built, or where will the doctors come from to treat them and the teachers to teach them, the shops that will feed them. And how do you think German industry will survive with a shrinking aging work force, or old age pensioners homes and hospitals keep functioning.
It happened before. Germany had some 2.6 million "guest workers" in the 1950's and 60's. Most of them aren't counted as immigration nowadays as they have become European - Greek, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian. But recruitment was done in Turkey and North Africa, too.
Posted by: Peter B. | Sep 13, 2015 4:12:54 PM | 11
You have to be very rich to pay 50 per cent tax. I cannot say I sympathize. German countryside is quite empty, lots of room for refugees. They don't seem to want to go there though but to the cities. Like Germans, really.
Bavaria has experience with refugees since World War II. To quote a Bavarian from one of the - formerly incestuous - valleys: We did not like them but they were good for us.
But yes, it is beginning to feel like the end of Shengen and the end of Europe as we knew it. And yes, stupid German politicians seem to be surprised by the global effect of twitter and facebook.
Posted by: somebody | Sep 13 2015 21:05 utc | 15
I thought the back up plan by Merkel and her despicable likes like mentioned by b and above;
Would be the planed PR con of ' aren't we nice to the most needy refugees', that being used as a duel use purpose with that appeal to her real constituency in the elite and corporates with refugees as wage slaves depressing wages. Then with the final back up plan would be targeting those refugees she invited in - for hate speech against, demonisation and scape-goating those innocent refugees, for economic problems caused by her and the right-wingers in their economic class war.
like b mentioned; that runs the risk of the far-right racists gaining more popularity and power.
But haven't we seen that before. Political centrists planning to scapegoat innocence, but then being out hate-mongered by the far-right.
And when times are bad enough. the far-right actually gains and keeps power till they run a bloody muck. Nazis and Fascism is what these freaks and risking again. Or does Merkel think she will fit in nicely with the possible future for Germany ?
Posted by: tom | Sep 13 2015 21:40 utc | 16
The migrant crisis would be worrisome if it did not benefit corporate elites in the Western countries. It is exactly the same reason as why the same countries are outsourcing all work to the third-world countries: short term gain for a long term pain. The pain from the migrant crisis is felt by ordinary people and the state in the long term.
This is why racism is rising in Western countries – those who lose jobs or have to compete for a home with a 12-member immigrant family hate immigrants the most. The elites, corporate or otherwise, are quite comfortable with immigration, they never go to the economically challenged and immigrant areas anyway, such crime does not reach them. Also, most Western countries have many a lawyer working on behalf of the illegal immigrants and against the society because it is so lucrative.
The flip side is, of course, that it is often the policies of the Western governments and pillaging by Western companies which causes disasters in the places where illegal immigrants come from. How high the anti-immigration Wall needs to be when you push a country such as Libya or Syria into a 30-year civil war?
Of course, this is all made possible because the US isn't a country anymore, it is now a corporation. The same is true for the EU. The EU isn't a union of nations anymore, it is now a collection of corporations.
Posted by: Cynthia | Sep 13 2015 22:09 utc | 17
The Holy Land, Israel does not take in any yet the msn leaves out this point, thus they are a part of the problem. We all know this is a push to take Syria, cut it up, give Israel the Golan, then as good will and looking clean Israel with US will give West Bank its wants, thanks you Assad...
Posted by: Kevin | Sep 13 2015 22:34 utc | 18
Posted by: john | Sep 13, 2015 1:03:34 PM | 5
but of course that would require the dissolution of NATO, a cease in hostilities in the refugee homelands and environs, massive reparation payments and the establishment of reciprocally congenial political relations.
Posted by: ab initio | Sep 13, 2015 1:12:35 PM | 6
The refugee crisis from the Middle East is a direct result of US & European meddling in the affairs of the various tribes and sects there resulting in complete chaos and a humanitarian nightmare for the people there.
Posted by: Cynthia | Sep 13, 2015 6:09:50 PM | 17
How high the anti-immigration Wall needs to be when you push a country such as Libya or Syria into a 30-year civil war?
And the corporate, financial elite responsible for all this are in the USA.
Behind their smiling Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, who pulls this lever and pushes that one in response to commands from his earphones.
Sometimes from both at once, giving conflicting orders, from conflicting corporate/finiancial study groups, conducting different experiments.
In WWII the USA/UK lost 400,000 of 130,000,000/48,000,000 - 0.3%/0.8%.
The USSR/Russia lost 20,000,000 of 200,000,000/125,000,000 - 10%/16%.
And the USA was intact, running full bore at the end of the war. And looks back on the whole wartime experience as the 'good ole days'.
Now, how many will the Europeans lose in WWIII?
The US plans to fight it in Europe/MENA again.
Posted by: jfl | Sep 14 2015 0:04 utc | 19
The rant in 10 is absolutely spot on, right down to the plastic steering wheel Tupac (a fine replacement for the plastic dashboard Jesus, IMHO). That is the anger so many Europeans must be feeling, seeing crisis after crisis emerge out of US policy plays, each one drifting closer and closer to their own borders (perhaps a major crisis will emerge in Kaliningrad next, that's only a short drive to Germany itself).
Everyone with an eye in their head sees the dichotomy of rich and poor, peace and war, luxury and starvation that exists with ever clearer borders in our world. This is a world that could only satisfy psychopaths.
Everyone else knows such an unequal world is completely untenable and only means, eventually, a real threat to their own even simple livelihood and relative safety.
Cynthia @ 17: "Of course, this is all made possible because the US isn't a country anymore, it is now a corporation. The same is true for the EU. The EU isn't a union of nations anymore, it is now a collection of corporations."
Yes, The brave new CORPORATE world is coming to us all. Humanity be damned, profits uber alles. Workers of the globe, lube up, and bend over.
Posted by: ben | Sep 14 2015 0:10 utc | 21
Germany temporarily reinstates border control amid refugee crisis
Germany reinstates Austrian border control, halts trains from Austria
Great graphic of the migrant path in the second link.
How many migrants actually got to Hamburg, Frankfort, Munich?
How many are now stuck in Austria, Hungary, the Balkans, Greece?
Do you think it might have been planned to work out that way?
Posted by: jfl | Sep 14 2015 0:23 utc | 22
Ben@21,
This migrants crisis should be seen as a fantastic opportunity to all corporatists and neolibs. Companies need cheap labor. This is an open bar to them! What a great way to force Europe into the New World Order? Putting people in front of the fait accompli has always been the best recipe to success. Who cares about culture and civilization? We are consumers before anything, aren't we?
Posted by: Cynthia | Sep 14 2015 0:55 utc | 23
This migrant crisis, like the economic subjugation of the Greeks, is an extension of aggression. It has been thought out. It looks like a long game is in play. It's revealed as a dangerous game of beggar thy competitor. Empire of Chaos is up for a desperate gamble, a cutthroat's version of musical chairs. Odd man out.
This time we are living in, is explained by some kind of global malevolence. We see the flesh or fabric of societies being savaged and torn away. "Wake me up when September's over" I not sure if our chances are so good.
This was called the Long War by factotums, the clerks, neocons and generals in Washington. The real nature of the war, however, was left for us to figure out.
@ 23, 24, 25: Exactly. This crap doesn't happen by accident. The peons of the globe better gather up their torches and pitchforks.
Posted by: ben | Sep 14 2015 2:07 utc | 26
Here we are in the bleachers watching the "slow motion" devolution of what we once thought was civilization. We all have to admit the the global merry-go-round is spinning furiously now and it will be interesting to see what percentage of the 99.9% wake up to anti-humanistic nature of the Western form of social organization with private finance, inheritance and ongoing accumulation of property.
The original motto of America was E Pluribus Unum or Out of Many, One. The motto was a rejection of the European forms of social organization of the time that lasted until the early 1950's when it was change to In God We Trust. You can pick all sorts of dates that mark the fall of ideals but I would argue that changing the US motto was and continues to be used a a key meme by those in control.
I wonder if the EU has it in themselves to now appreciate the E Pluribus Unum concept?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 14 2015 2:07 utc | 27
Dear refugees, never fear! The brave Nobel Peace Prize winning president of the USA said today that this great, very large nation would be willing to take --get this?-- "up to ten thousand" Syrians.
Such benevolance, such largesse, such tender concern for the downtrodden of that war torn region.
Oh, Obama, such generosity! Surely he will be rewarded with yet another Nobel Peace Prize...right? Riiight.
Posted by: jawbone | Sep 14 2015 3:16 utc | 28
I do wonder how many of these upset euros were not so long ago looking down their noses at Americans who are upset at our government's own open border policy.
Posted by: Cahaba | Sep 14 2015 3:17 utc | 29
lots of good insights from many here and to which i am in agreement with.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Sep 14 2015 4:31 utc | 30
Remember that despicable racist photographer that infamously tripped over the refugee holding his little child ? Well, Merkel did that same thing politically, but worse by 10,000.
Thousands of these refugees came to a foreign land escaping Western proxy ISIL terrorists, then when they reach Europe they struggled through police lines, cut through barbwire, travelled hundreds if not thousands of kilometres on foot, suffered through thirst, hunger and illness - and in large part because of a promise of being welcomed to Germany. Then after that all that suffering and dreams of crossing across countries that wouldn't accept them on the promise to be welcomed into Germany, Merkel stuck her foot out and tripped over all the hopes and humanity of these refugees.
Merkel did so much worse than that shithead photographer. I wonder who's gonna fire Merkel. Remember the condemnation deserved against the photographer, where is that for Merkel. She is such a piece of shit.
Posted by: tom | Sep 14 2015 7:07 utc | 31
@22-100% intended, pulled in favors(paid) from Kosovo, Afgan, and others. The US never won a War, it plays a different game, it creates War on doorsteps and pretends to solve them, a bit lke Jerry Springer.
Posted by: Kevin | Sep 14 2015 8:10 utc | 32
This is really another unmasking of the EU. It is run by Germany. Merkel on her own bat decides the Dublin accords don’t apply. Just like that! Then a week or more later Juncker stands in front of the EU Parliament and makes some proposal about quotas or what not and nobody says anything (except I suppose Farage and those who don’t want the migrants.) Schengen is by-passed or overridden or transformed on her say so. (The part that seems to be holding is that non-signatories can’t be forced to participate.) I strongly disaproved of both those accords (and the whole mismanagement of the migrant issue from day one) but just having Merkel run amok like that is utterly scandalous, and very disquieting. The whole media-hype (pro and soon contra) with the usual doctored pictures and crowd scenes etc. was totally disgusting. This is not going to end well. Incompetence, extend and pretend, shove the problem away leading to a ‘crisis’ which is handled with appeals to emotion and so on…bad news.
I don’t believe this was some US or Anglo-Zionist or whatever plot to harm Europe. (Unintended / uncared about consequences perhaps.) This is a purely internal EU affair. I think German industry is angry at the Russia sanctions and has been pressuring for ‘new workers’, in the sense of being able to set conditions, choose candidates from a larger pool, and almost certainly, pay less, have more control over workers. That may happen in part. But that is just one angle. (see tom above and somebody as well.)
Posted by: Noirette | Sep 14 2015 11:44 utc | 33
I hate to even go here but there's a lot of public money to be made by contractors in this refugee crisis. With the media blitz, countries, corps and individuals will be pouring money into refugee funds. Look at these two articles w/ US coming onto refugee scene just as Europe shuts the gates:
http://news.yahoo.com/us-plans-welcome-10-000-syrian-refugees-053252486.html
http://news.yahoo.com/us-plans-welcome-10-000-syrian-refugees-053252486.html
Never let a good crisis go to waste.
MoonofA calls Merkel's actions a "stunt" above. I sadly agree. In the headlines here in the US, I noticed the alliteration "Generous Germany" in more than a handful of articles. Google confirms it has been used thousands of times. It conveniently counters the immense damage to Germany and Merkel's image that occurred after they fricasseed Greece on the world stage which while it may have made some northern Europeans happy, the rest of the world felt a very different emotion, despite the propaganda.
Posted by: gemini33 | Sep 14 2015 12:04 utc | 34
...This might well cost her a reelection. That would then be the only positive effect of this affair...
Unfortunately, that is likely to mean she takes up Banksy Moon's comfy seat.
Posted by: Petra | Sep 14 2015 13:05 utc | 35
The migrant crisis is part of the amateurism of the international community in collaboration with a scoop and drama oriented media.
The migrants move out of Turkey was long predictable. If anyone had read the Turkish law on 'refugees', they would know that Turkey does not recognize people coming from a middle eastern country as a "refugee". Therefore these people DO NOT get a UNHCR refugee card. Countries that welcome refugees request that card. Therefore people stuck in Turkey have no other way than to move to a country where they will be recognized as a valid 'refugee'.
So it was obvious that after realizing the war in Syria was endless, masses of wannabe refugees rushed out of Turkey to Europe.
It was obvious right from the start that Syria was no Libya, no Tunisia and no Egypt. Yet the amateur Western politicians rushed in prediction and the media went wild with youtubes, analysis, dramas..
4 years later, both the western politicians and the media turned out to be wrong. Yet, they are so arrogant that they would never admit and continue and obsolete discourse to perpetuate their stupid predictions.
The media have become the drivers of the Western policy. They are not elected, have no legitimacy, no accountability and yet they leade for the good and the bad.
Only one thing, good news don't make a scoop!
Posted by: virgile | Sep 14 2015 13:58 utc | 36
"Additionally many European leaders point out that Merkel, who insistent on sticking to the letter of law in the case of Greece, is now openly breaking European laws and agreements"
Merkel is a woman and an old Communist - she is allowed to change her mind. She can have her cake AND eat it too, just like the AmeriKan women expect it to be. How do you say get out of my country in a language the unwanted migrants can understand?
Click-click BOOM
Posted by: farflungstar | Sep 14 2015 15:11 utc | 37
@36 "The media have become the drivers of the Western policy"
The makers of Western policy and the media are one and the same. Mass media now so consolidated, it's a corporate/state entity.
Posted by: gemini33 | Sep 14 2015 15:19 utc | 38
b, You sound like a knucklehead nativist. Produce a peer-reviewed journal article supporting your claim that immigration suppresses aggregate income. Good luck.
On top of everything, are you a racist?
Posted by: slothrop | Sep 14 2015 15:43 utc | 39
And besides, fuck Germany, as a general principle, applied forever.
Posted by: slothrop | Sep 14 2015 15:45 utc | 40
39,40;You must have loved Freeland's Graun ed where he said Germans,the ugly man of Europe,turns into a prince,in helping destroy their own nation in Merkel idiocy.And the same with US,as the illegal immigrants must also make you chortle as America is also divided and conquered.And everyone knows the Zionists are the ugliest people on earth,body and soul.
And Joshua Goldberg,where are you?
Posted by: dahoit | Sep 14 2015 16:29 utc | 41
obama needs an exit solution for his isis. since putin installed rockets in syria there are no air strikes possible. obamas isis will bleed out. to survive his isis nato has to hide and pull out the isis out of syrie. so they initiated a migrant move with the isis within there.
Posted by: xz | Sep 14 2015 17:41 utc | 42
I'm wondering if Ms Merkel is more confused, or less confused, than I am over her sudden enthusiasm for Swicheroony Politics?
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 14 2015 18:15 utc | 43
“It may appear to be the interest of the rulers, and the rich of a state, to force population [ed. note: force = rapidly increase, as via an excessive rate of immigration], and thereby lower the price of labour, and consequently the expense of fleets and armies, and the cost of manufactures for foreign sale; but every attempt of the kind should be carefully watched and strenuously resisted by the friends of the poor, particularly when it comes under the deceitful guise of benevolence…”
T.R. Malthus, “An Essay on the Principle of Population”, 1798
Posted by: TG | Sep 14 2015 19:15 utc | 45
@36 virgile
' The media have become the drivers of the Western policy. '
Not the drivers of the policy, the drivers of the sheeple in support of the 'policies' and other mistakes of the TNC elite.
They are owned lock, stock, and barrel by TNCs.
Are we (the libtards among us) suffering from "pathological altruism?"
Caucasians have pathological altruism. This pathology exists in an especially strong form in Northwestern whites, those peoples from Nordic countries; and also includes pathology to a lesser degree people’s from Germany, Britain, and France.
Evolutionary pressure from fourth ice age, which was particularly severe, created ice age people who easily form trust networks. Trust networks are important to allow societal and civilizational constructs to form. In Scandinavia, socialism works because everybody is Johansson, or Sons of John. They are all one tribe, so redistribution via government is ok because it is the same as transfer within the family.
“Bowling Alone” by Robert Putnam can be read with the view that white people form trust networks necessary for a republican type government, or even socialism. In multi-racial America, neighborhoods hunker down, and turtle – they pull in and hide from neighbors. Arabs, Islamists, and Jews are especially low trust peoples, who see only their family or in-group. Hence these people types are incapable of building high trust civilizations.
Middle Eastern Cultures are my family against your family, and my tribe against your tribe. A good proxy for a high trust society are how baby sitters are acquired; in middle eastern countries – especially those which were goat herding cultures, they will not use a baby sitter from another tribe, or even another family if it can be avoided.
What about Han’s (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans), they also survived fourth ice age? They act as an in-group but are not pathological. They also easily integrate into civilizations built by white men. They tend to not try to take over levers of political power. Jews for example are drawn to power centers like a parasite to a brains host. Han women have a high out-marry rate, and if an in-group cannot control the breeding of their women, they will not long survive as an in-group.
Islamist and Jewish in-group behavior and control of women (must marry within the race or religion, etc.) is a proxy for “low trust” cultures.
These types of low trust people are easily accepted into pathological altruist areas like Scandinavia.
So, the very thing that helps build higher civilization, high trust is the very same thing that threatens to be civilizations un-doing.
When high trust white people exit the earth and become extinct, then a question is beggared? What are qualities of those peoples who will then assume the earth?
If you don’t have lawful sovereign money, borders, single language, and a unique culture – then you do not have a country. High civilization requires high trust peoples, so the future is now in balance.
If a country is made up of high trust peoples then their leadership needs to be on guard against their own internal defect - pathological altruism.
It is not altruistic to admit immigrants from low trust societies; it is national and racial suicide.
International money, like “gold” or banker “credit” allows one to pretend that money is not law. Law originates by a sovereign people agreeing on moral and contractual precepts in advance.
Low trust people groups will not create moral law, or moral money.
Low trust people groups are at war with higher civilization – low trust peoples have evolved along different pathways. High trust altruists, especially liberal whites – or libtards – will have an especially hard time with this argument, as they believe everybody is the same, despite mountains of history showing that is not that case. Libtards will be a high proportion of population in Scandinavia and other white regions, and have to be protected from themselves, as their pathology makes them “feeeeel” but not think. This pathology also makes altruistic whites a perfect petri dish for a pathogen, for example Jewish in-group parasitism, to grow and take root.
sovereignmoney.eu
Posted by: Andy | Sep 14 2015 20:00 utc | 47
@47 Interesting post. Ice age? I never thought of that. Could be some truth in it. I've always thought altruism was an indirect result of being Christianized. Europeans used to be tribal and pagan until the Romans took over and 'civilized' them.
When the Romans became Christian the subject people soon followed and we got multiculturalism. The Vikings were among the last to convert. Of course Christians could still be pretty nasty....look at the Crusades. And 'spreading the Word' was one justification used by empire builders....Spanish, British etc.
Posted by: dh | Sep 14 2015 20:26 utc | 49
@49 Perhaps the sympathy so many feel for migrants is based on guilt?
Posted by: dh | Sep 14 2015 20:34 utc | 50
to andy.
the western trust society is false. it is rotton from inside. there is no trust, because it is based on power and those who have no power. so this crisis shows there is no trust in the institutions. so why should someone fight for the institutions. this society wants to fail. therefore it welcomes parasites.
Posted by: xz | Sep 14 2015 20:47 utc | 51
@51 I'm not so sure. It's true that less people trust politicians but enough people vote to keep the system running. Leaders always emerge. People may not trust the system but they are afraid of alternatives.
Posted by: dh | Sep 14 2015 21:20 utc | 52
interesting change of topic, lol..
it is true most folks in the west trust the financial system of fiat currencies.. whether they wake up to the smoke and mirrors of it all remains to be seen.. i think most people tend to trust others who are supposed to know about their area of expertise,- financial leaders - greenspan or whoever.. however that has been shown to be the wrong way to go, i still don't think it has sunk in to many people how deceitful the monetary system is at present.. also, i think more and more people recognize how gov'ts are essentially cover for corporations at this point, although i am not sure just how deeply that has sunk in just yet either... folks are slow to wake up!!
Posted by: james | Sep 14 2015 21:27 utc | 53
I am from germany and i can tell you that that this whole 'rescue everyone ' agenda is not from a sinister plan of USA or Erdoghan or Putin or Isis .NO it is a mindset from german FEMALe politicians like merkel or goering-eckart(greenparty) .You must know that in these times the top echelons in every german party now are female and these women have a kind of socialistic mindset. So this rescue everyone politic is simply a typical bio-behaviour by women in power imposed on us(germans) The typical women on top of party is single ,childless and over 45 holding a under 30 year old male as lovetoy .In their eyes it must be like vice-versa to us if the immigrants were female ,beautyful and 20-30 years.Just imagine that ,cause from the 75 percent male immigrants for us males is a not friendly but an enemy .This is a war not islam against christians nor the west against terrorist but MALE against FEMALE .Napoleon said that the most cruelsome of all wars when all ideologies have ended will be the two genders against each other. Greetings to all apologise for my notsogood english ,God bless you all
Posted by: J.C.Denton | Sep 14 2015 21:29 utc | 54
xz#42- I do believe you are right on....Get isis out before all findings/crime scene will be inspected by Russians....
Posted by: sejmon | Sep 14 2015 21:41 utc | 55
J.C.Denton | Sep 14, 2015 5:29:25 PM | 53
Heil Denton we may get a first female president after next year
Posted by: Jck Smith | Sep 14 2015 22:00 utc | 56
The problem with refugees is that they cannot be deported back to countries currently being wrecked by civil wars, but on the other hand, we do not want to resettle the entire population of Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, South Sudan, Mali etc. elsewhere. As an alliance, the West contributed to most of these wars, the first four on those list have (had?) 80 million inhabitants. Mechanism designed for handling tens of thousands are not particularly workable when applied to millions. I would refrain from advises what Europeans should do apart from obvious observation that if Merkel totally contradicted herself in the span of few days then on at least one occasion she behaved idiotically. She should take example from United States where a certain type of consistency reigns: if we liked war in Syria year ago, and two years ago, we will like it forever, especially if the refugees flee to different countries. And our pundits have a field day climbing moral high ground and advising Europeans, who should increase defense budget, bomb Syria, sponsor volunteer battalions to liberate Crimea, accept all refugees, remove teaching religion from schools where it is done, introduce religion classes elsewhere and so on. [I added several pieces of advise to what I have seen in editorials, lest our pundits repeats themselves too often.]
So on macro level, it would be good to resolve civil wars and pointless aggression (like in Yemen), and avoid inane "high moral ground" that it is better to eliminate a "tyrant" e_v_e_n_t_u_a_l_l_y then to finish mayhem. On intermediate level, the idea to teach Greeks the lesson by putting them on a v_e_r_y lean diet was clearly over-done, and now Greece became a weak link through which refugees are flooding Europe. So Madam Merkel may consider her positions on various subjects.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 14 2015 22:29 utc | 57
ONLY the countries that called themselves "The Friends of Syria" should be obliged to take a quota of refugees!
That is the time to pay the fee for membership! Why the hell Slovakia or Serbia are supposed to take the refugees that the Friends of Syria created
Here are the countries that should be OBLIGED to take Syrian refugees:
Britain, Egypt, France, Germany, Italy, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and the United States
http://www.dw.com/en/friends-of-syria-group-promises-more-rebel-aid-aid-workers-freed/a-17639889
Posted by: Virgile | Sep 14 2015 23:05 utc | 58
I honestly hope that most that are already there will be sent back.
Many are not war refugees as they are mostly young men.
Merkel losing the next election? I wouldn't be surprised if people started shooting at her. Traitor to her countrz and people.
Posted by: Mischi | Sep 15 2015 0:21 utc | 59
Germany takes refugees as Russia moves in.clearing civilians from the battlefield ?
Russian orthodox church will never abandon the Syrian orthodox church....iran understands this but not the Sunni,s
Posted by: mcohen | Sep 15 2015 1:06 utc | 60
Syrian Girl :
#RefugeeCrisis: What The Media Is Hiding, Help #SyrianRefugees Go Home ~08:37 - 08:58
... There are forces that want to estrange people from their homeland, and to dissolve national identitites altogether. Obama and other criminals are trying to make Syrians a people without a nation. A people without a nation suffer the worst humiliation. Look at what happened to the Palestinian people. One day, it could happen to you. ...
Hannah Arendt :
The origin of totalitarianism : Part two, Imperialism : Chapter 9, Decline of the nation-state; end of the rights of man, p. 269
With the emergence of the minorities in Eastern and Southern Europe and with the stateless people driven into Central and Western Europe, a completely new element of disintegration was introduced into postwar Europe. Denationalization became a powerful weapon of totalitarian politics, and the constitutional inability of European nation-states to guarantee human rights to those who had lost nationally guaranteed rights, made it possible for the persecuting governments to impose their standard of values even upon their opponents. Those whom the persecutor had singled out as scum of the earth - Jews, Trotskyites, etc. - actually were received as scum of the earth everywhere; those whom persecution had called undesirable became the indésirables of Europe. The official SS newspaper, the Schwarze Korps, stated explicitly in 1938 that if the world was not yet convinced that the Jews were the scum of the earth, it soon would be when unidentifiable beggars, without nationality, without money, and without passports crossed their frontiers.[2] And it is true that this kind of factual propaganda worked better than Goebbels' rhetoric, not only because it established the Jews as scum of the earth, but also because the incredible plight of an ever-growing group of innocent people was like a practical demonstration of the totalitarian movements' cynical claims that no such thing as inalienable human rights existed and that the affirmations of the democracies to the contrary were mere prejudice, hypocrisy, and cowardice in the face of the cruel majesty of a new world. The very phrase “human rights” became for all concerned - victims, persecutors, and onlookers alike - the evidence of hopeless idealism or fumbling feeble-minded hypocrisy.[2] The early persecution of German Jews by the Nazis must be considered as an attempt to spread antisemitism among
“those peoples who are friendlily disposed to Jews, above all the Western democracies”
rather than as an effort to get rid of the Jews. A circular letter from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to all German authorities abroad shortly after the November pogroms of 1938, stated:
“The emigration movement of only about 100,000 Jews has already sufficed to awaken the interest of many countries in the Jewish danger ... Germany is very interested in maintaining the dispersal of Jewry ... the influx of Jews in all parts of the world invokes the opposition of the native population and thereby forms the best propaganda for the German Jewish policy ... The poorer and therefore more burdensome the immigrating Jew is to the country absorbing him, the stronger the country will react.”
See Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Washington, 1946, published by the U. S. Government, VI, 87 ff.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose ... This time it's Obama's handlers copying the NAZIs, last time it was the NAZIs copying the US' genocide of North American indigenes.
Posted by: jfl | Sep 15 2015 2:58 utc | 61
How are going the german authorities to send tens of thousands of immigrants back to their countries or stop them in the border? I mean, the influx seems unstoppable... in the short and medium term, we can expect more support to PEGIDA and the neonazi parties...
Posted by: guy | Sep 15 2015 3:45 utc | 62
I have real sympathy for the Syrian refugees coming from the concentration camps in Turkey. These are mostly younger, middle-class, educated Syrians with small children who either lost their homes or couldn't tolerate the risk of violence to them and their families.
That image stands in stark contrast to some of the odd footage coming out of Hungary about refugees refusing food and water, trashing camps and threatening Hungarian aid workers. These were obviously refugees and presumably muslim, but didn't seem like the Syrians leaving Turkish camps. Who were these people?
Fort Russ just published an article entitled, Afghan-Kosovo Mafia Migrant Smuggling Ring and More Refugee Chaos in Macedonia. A highly recommended read for anyone like me confused about the supposed 'Syrian Refugee' problem. It's much more complex than it appears and explains Europeans reports of the general demeanor of some of the refugee groups. This will not end well for anybody.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 15 2015 4:11 utc | 63
Having read all the posts here, I totally agree with Virgile... the root of this crisis is the US/NATO/Israel plan of "regime change" in Damascus and the control of Middle East resources to weaken the russian/iranian/Hizbollah positions. But Moscow will give up a fight before surrender its more important asset in the East Mediterranean; this is the beginning of new desperate human waves...
Posted by: guy | Sep 15 2015 4:41 utc | 64
Since I have trouble typing, please allow me to repeat myself. When I first said this here on Sep 3, 2015, it was slightly off-topic. It's directly on topic here:
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Here's something to consider. Each ethnic and-or religious group must have a proliferation strategy. Their proliferation strategy its simply the game plan they employ to proliferate (increase their survivability). Some strategies are based on technology. Some on "public relations." Some on wealth accumulation. Probably the oldest and most common proliferation strategy is simple fecundity -- simply producing as many children whom they raise to carry on their ethnic and-or religious structured system of human organization. This strategy has become precarious in our age of high tech warfare and economic intricacy.
Now consider this: Nearly all of these migrants groups are ones that have opted for the massive fecundity strategy, and they are moving from their former habitats into lands that are occupied by groups that have opted for distinctly different proliferation strategies. This is a recipe for disaster.
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I presume that Germany, being part of Europe, has opted for a low fecundity strategy. These migrants are rather surely high fecundity. So where will that lead? They will almost surely not assimilate. They will reproduce massively. The present Germans will soon become outnumbered, and will themselves become the new migrants. Plus there will be a certain amount of conflict (probably quite a bit, actually).
You see where this is headed?
Posted by: blues | Sep 15 2015 5:43 utc | 65
53 JC
We are all Children of the Corn in the GroSartig Americanische Reisend Abscheu Anzeigen.
The real horror is the biggest concern of the Pentagon right now is where to put all this scheiSe the war criminals are cranking out of their 32 Foreign Nation "Made in America" arms factories.
There is literally nowhere left to park all this Abscheulichkeit.
Posted by: Chipnik | Sep 15 2015 9:20 utc | 66
It seems that the refugee ‘crisis’ in the EU is playing right into Putin’s hands. (It is not a US plot!)
The Putin coalition is gingerly taking shape. On Syria.
Germany is ready to ally with Putin. Russia Insider.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/germany-may-be-leaving-us-anti-syria-coalition/ri9704
Hollande has changed his mind. (From a newspaper yest.) Now he is sugggesting that he won’t bomb there will only be reconnaissance flights. Or some such. After being seemingly keen to bomb Syria to smithereens.
Cameron announced before Corbyn was elected that he would then (when it happened) be cautious or ‘withholding’ (I forget the precise words and posted the link before) about bombing Syria (Corbyn is against.) But see here, RT:
https://www.rt.com/uk/315277-cameron-seeks-syria-consensus/
In fact Cameron’s communicated position is not clear. It is imprecise.
Lavrov has come right out and said that the US knows ISIS positions but refuses to bomb. Which is extremely pointed of him. For a man who carefully measures his words. Fort Russ.
http://fortruss.blogspot.ch/2015/09/lavrov-us-knows-isis-positions-refuses.html
Posted by: Noirette | Sep 15 2015 10:21 utc | 67
jfl @ # 22 Oh I think so . . .this is designed to create fear & loathing in most of the EU countries . It won't be long b4 the islamophobic are out in force with the papers ringing their hands, stirring up the rest over the "invasion" and "what are we to do ?".
Step in superhero pig in the guise of Holland & Cameron, et al saying "we can fix it Assad must go." And the bombing/cruise missile "No Fly Zone" will be in full swing ! I've heard about a German turning towards a Russian led ceasefire in Syria ( Hooray Vladimir!!)Who knows with the rumors swirling last 120 odd hours, but I'm certain, even if the writing ends up on the wall, it won't deter the Empire from shovelling guns & money into ISIS et al. as thregion goes up in bigger flames than it already is.
Posted by: Kiwicris | Sep 15 2015 11:11 utc | 68
Noirette @ # 67 Yes I was a bit Swift intake of breath when I read that on Fort Russ. No, it's definitely not like him to be so, well, blunt is it? With this, we also have the arguments in the Iraqi Parliament about US & UK planes dropping arms & supplies to ISIS as in landing and unloading,(Totally separate from the parachute drops to the Kurds or Shite Militias or Iraqi Army that seem to end up in ISIS hands most of the time), Israel treating wounded militants and being al Qaeda's Air Force, with all this there should be enough now for a big exposee of it in the MSM. . . . . . . . and waiting . . . . . . . still waiting ( ͝° ͜ʖ͡°)
Posted by: Kiwicris | Sep 15 2015 11:29 utc | 69
Eleven years ago, the Chilean Pablo Neruda, one of the outstanding poets of our time, enlightened this audience with his word. Since then, the Europeans of good will - and sometimes those of bad, as well - have been struck, with ever greater force, by the unearthly tidings of Latin America, that boundless realm of haunted men and historic women, whose unending obstinacy blurs into legend. We have not had a moment's rest. A promethean president, entrenched in his burning palace, died fighting an entire army, alone; and two suspicious airplane accidents, yet to be explained, cut short the life of another great-hearted president and that of a democratic soldier who had revived the dignity of his people. There have been five wars and seventeen military coups; there emerged a diabolic dictator who is carrying out, in God's name, the first Latin American ethnocide of our time. In the meantime, twenty million Latin American children died before the age of one - more than have been born in Europe since 1970. Those missing because of repression number nearly one hundred and twenty thousand, which is as if no one could account for all the inhabitants of Uppsala. Numerous women arrested while pregnant have given birth in Argentine prisons, yet nobody knows the whereabouts and identity of their children who were furtively adopted or sent to an orphanage by order of the military authorities. Because they tried to change this state of things, nearly two hundred thousand men and women have died throughout the continent, and over one hundred thousand have lost their lives in three small and ill-fated countries of Central America: Nicaragua, El Salvador and Guatemala. If this had happened in the United States, the corresponding figure would be that of one million six hundred thousand violent deaths in four years.One million people have fled Chile, a country with a tradition of hospitality - that is, ten per cent of its population. Uruguay, a tiny nation of two and a half million inhabitants which considered itself the continent's most civilized country, has lost to exile one out of every five citizens. Since 1979, the civil war in El Salvador has produced almost one refugee every twenty minutes. The country that could be formed of all the exiles and forced emigrants of Latin America would have a population larger than that of Norway.
I dare to think that it is this outsized reality, and not just its literary expression, that has deserved the attention of the Swedish Academy of Letters. A reality not of paper, but one that lives within us and determines each instant of our countless daily deaths, and that nourishes a source of insatiable creativity, full of sorrow and beauty, of which this roving and nostalgic Colombian is but one cipher more, singled out by fortune. Poets and beggars, musicians and prophets, warriors and scoundrels, all creatures of that unbridled reality, we have had to ask but little of imagination, for our crucial problem has been a lack of conventional means to render our lives believable. This, my friends, is the crux of our solitude.
Thus spake Gabriel Garcia Marquez, thirty-three years ago, pronouncing his Nobel Lecture, on 8 December, 1982. He needed not explicitly to name the monstrous colossus responsible for all the suffering and deaths of which he spoke. The name was known by all who heard him speak.
Neither do the peoples of Asia and North Africa - of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen nor, of course, of Palestine - need to name their torturer, their devastator, their destroyer, their slayer today thirty-three years later.
'My name is Obamandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Yes we despair, oh huckster of hope.
How much longer before nothing beside remains. Before two vast and trunkless legs of stone stand in the desert round the decay of that colossal wreck, and boundless and bare the lone and level sands stretch far away?
Can't be soon enough.
@64 blues
I saw that post the first time ... 'opted for the massive fecundity strategy' ... who was it said ...
La majestueuse égalité des lois, qui interdit au riche comme au pauvre de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues et de voler du pain.
In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.
Yes. And in its majestic equality society allows rich and poor alike to opt for the massive fecundity strategy ... sounds like your own rich self, which feels at least that it has something to lose at any rate, eh?, has opted out.
Posted by: jfl | Sep 15 2015 12:06 utc | 70
Saith #69
“...sounds like your own rich self, which feels at least that it has something to lose at any rate, eh?, has opted out.”
Well no I don't have the slightest direct stake in the consequences of any of these strategies. I simply point out the misery that is being precontrived to occur after I am gone. Most all of these proliferation strategies are guaranteed to set the stage for vast future disasters.
Any ethnic and-or religious group (at least in a given geographic locale) always has the option to collectively change its strategies. And this does happen.
Who has a workable strategy? I think the Chinese-Americans have one. They retain their cultural identity, yet at the same time, they maintain very dependable lines of communication with the larger society. And their strategy is straightforward. Obviously we have several groups in the U.S. that have lost or neglected maintenance of such lines of communication, and this is calamitous.
By the way, Russia has a very large number of subcultures, and by and large they retain their culture and their communications. (Chechnya has been an exception.) This makes Russia very stable in a crucial way.
Posted by: blues | Sep 15 2015 13:04 utc | 71
It looks like that Germany can never do any right in the eyes of the rest of the world
(the rest of the world being the Main stream media and various politicians)
if they open there borders to all and sundry-- then they're being reckless and dangerous.
if they close the borders then they being mean and heartless.
Posted by: chris m | Sep 15 2015 14:29 utc | 72
N@66
These reports certainly use spin and agitprop but I doubt the Germans are going to ally themselves with Russia even though they seek to work with then on the Syria crisis.
Lavrov's use of the Islamic State as the focal point of their efforts in Syria without even mentioning the larger and more active forces making gains against Assad, the Army of Conquest is strange rhetoric. Any actions against the IS would have to be secondary to defending the Assad controlled and AOC threatened areas of western Syria.
Posted by: Wayoutwest | Sep 15 2015 15:03 utc | 73
31;Racist or xenophobic?Why do Europeans have to pay for Nato(US,Britain,Italy and France) and Israels provocations and depredations?
Those 5 nations should be at the forefront of accepting the results of their evil,but won't,and obviously Eastern Europeans have to pay,with the destruction of their nation states cohesiveness,as we in America pay for Zionist neolibcons,with our own divide and rule disaster.
Posted by: dahoit | Sep 15 2015 15:30 utc | 74
kiwicris at 68. But the signs are tentatively positive, and I’m in an optimistic mood. Cameron’s imprecise but strong-man sounding words means (hopefully) he is keeping his options open. There are other signs as well: the cease-fire in Ukraine has been holding better. And don’t forget in 2013 GB Parliament refused to bomb Syria, therefore why Cameron cautious re. Corbyn etc.
Back to the migrants. Merkel has lost her marbles? Hey ho (in the spirit of b’s piece), yesterday de Maizière or whatever he is when at home announced that the Dublin accords would / need to be / applied…
Remember, all these ppl are asylum seekers. The proper procedure (registration, examination of cases, etc.) suposedly distinguishes between the refugees (need protection, can’t be sent back) and ‘economic’ migrants, provided that takes place. The upshot is that many will leave spontaneously, or go illegal, others will molder in Germany hoping to hang on, many will be expelled, etc. etc. An administrative, expensive, nightmare. Though I suppose the ‘best candidates’ will be picked out and integrated.
They are not, in the main, Syrians (though they many have become so in their own false declarations.) But from all over the place: Eritrea (silence on them), Somalia, Lybia (from Lybia is from sub-saharan Africa often), the Mahgreb, Irak and Afghanistan, Turkey (Kurds .. not just Syrians in transit), Bangladeshis and you name it. Recent, new, arrivals (here in CH) are from Yemen and Ukraine. Joining their Somali and Eritrean sisters and brothers.
Could it be that the EU (aka Merkel) is exploiting this ‘crisis’ to ‘pivot’ to a political solution in Syria and a rapprochement with Russia? Or do do we see here an endless chain of sloppy mismanagment, unpredicted consequences, ad hoc BS?
The link below shows the stuff the racists are putting on You-tube. Some are scenes of migrants in this present crisis (note how many are black, which fits in to the racist meme), other scenes are certainly BS, didn’t analyse it at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_GYlnC5g2M
Posted by: Noirette | Sep 15 2015 17:54 utc | 75
Posted by: Noirette | Sep 15, 2015 1:54:29 PM | 74
Just one question, are the images in the "racist video" FAKE OR NOT?
Posted by: acrimonious | Sep 15 2015 18:23 utc | 76
This one isn't fake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L3eSbpETf8&feature=youtu.be
Posted by: acrimonious | Sep 15 2015 18:27 utc | 77
At the end of the day, Europe can only blame itself. Afterall, you voted your way up to this point !
To join in on the destroying of nearby countries at the behest of a deviant regime in Washington DC is a recipe for your own disaster.
Now you have a lot of new citizens.. some of which are Libyan, Yemeni, Syrian, but a lot of which are probably from countries that are not in conflict as well, with some % no doubt destined to be militant Islamists that will cause extreme danger to your own population - either by their acts alone, or the reactions of your countrymen (WWIV)
You are rewarding all of the criminal gangster Muslim smugglers in their effort to profit upon misery, and pack in their own kind.
Posted by: aaaaa | Sep 15 2015 18:59 utc | 78
Posted by: dh | Sep 14, 2015 4:26:46 PM | 49
The way it is taught in German schools European civilization - democracy, philosophy - started with Greek people way before Romans took over and there was a "dark" Christian Middle Age when everybody was forced to pretend the earth was flat.
I am sure, German schools get it wrong but do not really have the time to check.
Posted by: somebody | Sep 15 2015 19:44 utc | 79
@78 Thank you for that. I was responding to andy's thoughts on libtards & pathological altruism (see # 47). I don't think the Germanic people were very receptive to Greco/Roman ideas. Certainly Arminius wasn't. At what time did they become altruistic?
Posted by: dh | Sep 15 2015 19:58 utc | 80
acrimonious@76
When something looks that odd, it is. The video calls attention to itself by defying what a normal person would do in that situation. On closer examination, these men are acting like paid thugs 'acting' like ingrateful refugees. What kind of guy would deny food and water to the women and children presumably on the train? Why are they also preventing women and children from getting close to the Hungarian soldiers? A couple of little girls do run around the pack and manage to get some food. These people have to be starving.
If I wanted to portray refugees as human garbage, I would have hired a few thugs like this to stage exactly such a scene. The refugee camp video is the same. A few thugs yelling at the soldiers and throwing food and water back at them while hundreds others are behind a fence, unable to get near them.
Sure there must be a few ungrateful refugees in the pack, but come on... This looks like typical ZATO psyops. I could not have produced a more perfect: "Let's hate the refugees" video if I wanted to.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 15 2015 19:59 utc | 81
@74 noirette.. as always, thanks for your input and reasoned thoughts on these topics.. thanks for the data @66 as well..
it's better lavrov speaks openly on what everyone with half a brain is thinking here.. that isis is a mercenary group paid to be where it is ought to come as no surprise.. that the usa hopes to use them to overthrow assad - they have openly stated this.. the only thing the usa hasn't done is said they're contributing to the funding of isis, or turning a blind eye when there cohorts saudi arabia and etc. are... it's just another mercenary group called isis getting approval to help along the western agenda here - much like blackwater, but they could state that openly with iraq - not so here..
if anyone thinks isis are the one's the usa or their western buddies are going after here - if you believe that - make as well make a constant diet of wow posts then...
Posted by: james | Sep 15 2015 20:21 utc | 82
Posted by: dh | Sep 15, 2015 3:58:38 PM | 79
I don't know who taught you history according to my teacher Arminius formerly Hermann grew up in Rome.
I think it is general human genetics with the exception of politicians and some others who have some kind of genetic defect.
Angela Merkel appears to have resigned from politics, she is quoted with "If we are supposed to apologize for being friendly to people in need, then this is not my country".
I think she meant to say "not my party", realized it was not a good idea, but had to finish the sentence somehow.
This not Merkel's country is going to be fun for the next decade or so. The influx of refugees is nothing new, there are now four generations from Afghanistan driving taxis in Germany. What is new is the way German policians wake up to globalization.
Posted by: somebody | Sep 15 2015 20:36 utc | 83
Arminius was the son of Segimerus. He was in Rome as a hostage. He was even granted citizenship. But he remained a staunch German nationalist.
Altruism as genetic human defect? Interesting. It doesn't explain why some humans are more altruistic than others. One theory of altruism is kin Selection....i.e close relatives tend to be altruistic towards their kin. Another theory concerns reciprocity whereby the altruist benefits from sharing.
Posted by: dh | Sep 15 2015 21:27 utc | 84
@83 I think in Merkel's case altruism may stem from German guilt about WW2. She, and other German people, may want to kick the buggers out but it's impossible.
Posted by: dh | Sep 15 2015 21:35 utc | 85
Posted by: dh | Sep 15, 2015 5:27:50 PM | 83
You got my argument the wrong way round.
Altruistic behaviour in primates relies on reciprocity
It has got nothing to do with German guilt. Nowadays you can't be seen letting children drown in the Mediterranean or getting starved in Hungary without people disliking you.
So European politicians first tried to throw up their hands with tears in their eyes whilst making sure the ships in the Mediterranean are military and not humanitarian.
When refugees still managed to get into Europe in large numbers heading for Germany where they had relatives and knew that there were jobs there was not much German politicians could legally do except stop Schengen that makes it easy to go anywhere once you have crossed the European borders - which is happening now getting refugees stranded in the fields. They cannot legally send the refugees back to Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan. Neither can they send refugees back to Turkey. They might be able to do that after a lengthy legal process, but not now. In this situation European politicians have no choice - they cannot revert to racism as their populations are pretty mixed already, it would tear the whole European fabric apart, and, in the case of export driven Germany, it would destroy their global brand.
The truth is that Turkey has a land bridge to Europe and there is a perfectly safe ferry from Turkey to the Greek islands which is closed for refugees. The other truth is that Germany has been pressuring countries on the periphery to close their borders and keep the refugees who still made it. There is no reason for countries on the periphery to agree to something as disadvantageous to them as the Dublin regulation but that their negotiation position was very week.
It could be that Germany overdid the pressure and forgot about the reciprocity. As I understand the situation now German politicians threaten more or less openly to "stop paying" for Europe which is hilarious as the "paying" is based on an export surplus other European countries pay for with a deficit.
Posted by: somebody | Sep 16 2015 0:59 utc | 86
I'm not saying anybody wants any children to drown. But maybe you can estimate the percentage of ordinary Germans who want the migrants/refugees to disappear. My guess would be about 90%.
Posted by: dh | Sep 16 2015 1:16 utc | 87
In references to Merkel there is concern as to the use of "i" or "y" in the word dike.
Posted by: derfel cadarn | Sep 16 2015 12:59 utc | 88
yes indeed very soon , with the influx of probably millions of cheap labour, the big cats may bring back the industries from china , yes now the western europe may be able to compete with them. I think this must all be part of their big plan and i think it wont work though due to the people demanding higher standards of living.
Posted by: duth | Sep 18 2015 18:14 utc | 89
The comments to this entry are closed.
But is it possible to close the borders? Or means it chaos²?
Posted by: Peter Hofmann | Sep 13 2015 16:19 utc | 1