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August 24, 2015

The Trump Dystopia

 


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Credit: Mark Wallheiser/Getty (via Gregory Djerejian)

So THAT is the real America?

The above impressive but somewhat disturbing picture inspired some creative variations of the scene.

 


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Yuck!

Posted by b on August 24, 2015 at 14:46 UTC | Permalink

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argh...bad trip :(

Posted by: john | Aug 24 2015 15:23 utc | 1

I thought Michele Bachmann was going to herald in the "end times". "At least for the time being, of course, as the End Times are upon us, and God and “heaven’s armies” will be bringing this existence to a wrap sooner rather than later. “The prophets longed to live in this day,” Bachmann said, referring to the End of Days, “you and I are privileged to live in it.” http://www.salon.com/2015/08/10/michele_bachmann_iran_deal_a_cause_for_celebration_because_it_proves_the_end_times_have_begun_in_earnest/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow Trump must rapture us there instead. Effin nutcases the lot of em.

Posted by: harry law | Aug 24 2015 15:23 utc | 2

b,

You are doing society a service by this posting.....as ugly as it is.........

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 24 2015 15:26 utc | 3

What is truly sad is that Trump is really no worse than the other freaks and ghouls running in the GOP. And no worse than Clinton, either.


Posted by: Lysander | Aug 24 2015 16:28 utc | 4

Chapter 6 of Dude, Where's My Country? is called Jesus W Christ. It addresses AmeriKKKa's Dubya Bush problem and begins...

Hi God here!
...
He's passing himself off to you as My personal messenger. Remember I see and hear everything, and here's some of what I've heard from this guy:
"I could not be governor if I did not believe in a divine plan that supercedes all human plans."

It seems that religion has transmogrified from the opiate of the masses to the Dystopiate of the masses.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 24 2015 17:29 utc | 5

Pic 3 is very 21st Century ... all those clones of the same genetically-engineered Trump enthusiast.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 24 2015 17:46 utc | 6

@4

Agreed. It's no less bizarre than the crowds or bicycles in the case of Hillary for any of the war mongers running.

Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Aug 24 2015 18:16 utc | 7

Trumpageddon is upon us.

Posted by: Colinjames | Aug 24 2015 18:32 utc | 8

I hate to admit it, but that is the real America. Notwithstanding the well educated elite (who do not appear at rallies), not much difference between the educated masses and the red-neck bunch.....

Posted by: georgeg | Aug 24 2015 18:34 utc | 9

Bush II (Dubya) was a caricature of the archetypical buffoon and unelectable; he got elected!

Donald Trump is a personification of a crude/rude ignorant egomaniac and unelectable! Right? Among the hateful (religious) Right and southern racists/ethnocentrics (or do I repeat myself?) he is going to score high in an election. And those aren't the only deranged demographics in the US of A. You think Dubya propelled us into the depths of political and cultural decay. Wait until you see what a Trump card can do in this game.

He's electable and dangerous, even more so than, IMO, Bush.

Posted by: juannie | Aug 24 2015 19:45 utc | 10

C'mon all the concern about Trump is based on the fact that he runs very strong against Hillary in the General, but looks to lose to Bernie.

Thus all the Trump bashing aids Hillary in two respects:

1] One; distraction, it deprives Bernie media.

2] Two; With Trump dispatched Hillary can once again claim she will best any Republican.

I can't Stop Hill's peeps from pulling this stunt, but I can ask the blogs I have been reading for some years to not unwittingly help Hillary.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 24 2015 19:48 utc | 11

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/inside-the-gop-clown-car-20150812
Inside the GOP Clown Car

On the campaign trail in Iowa, Donald Trump's antics have forced the other candidates to get crazy or go home
By Matt Taibbi August 12, 2015

#GOPCLOWNCAR

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 24 2015 19:59 utc | 12

That 3rd photoshop is amazing. Still, hard to beat the original.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 24 2015 20:00 utc | 13

Somehow, Elvis Presley would make the right running make for Trump, if he were still alive. He has the right ambiance for Trump.

Posted by: Edward | Aug 24 2015 20:09 utc | 14

I notice Trump has his working man hat on. Very authentic.

Posted by: Edward | Aug 24 2015 20:12 utc | 15

posted on last thread by mistake:
The greatest threat to America? Republicans
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11482176
This process may be reaching its logical conclusion with the emergence of property billionaire Donald Trump as the front-runner for the party's presidential nomination.

Trump personifies everything the rest of the world despises about America: casual racism, crass materialism, relentless self-aggrandisement, vulgarity on an epic scale. He is the Ugly American in excelsis.

You might expect a tycoon/buffoon cross to be a political player in some Latin American failed state or backward former Soviet republic, places with no democratic tradition or public institutions that have stood the test of time and no such thing as "the people" in the sense of an educated, civic-minded citizenry.

The fact that so many Republicans are comfortable with the thought of this monumentally unqualified individual in the Oval Office shows how warped the party has become. To borrow the rhetoric of their candidates, the party is now an existential threat to America's leadership of the global community.

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 24 2015 21:15 utc | 16

Is Trump broke? (ht nakedcapitalism.com)

Trump's financial disclosure is virtual impossible to decipher. The writer of the article muses on this and other Trump antics and concludes that Trump is likely to be worth much less than he and others have estimated - possibly only a few hundred million dollars (Note: Forbes says Trump is worth about $3b, Trump claims more like $10b).

Trump has been saying recently that he MAY (read: he will) take campaign donations during the general election. But he claims that he won't take money from anyone that expects any special consideration.

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Anyway. If Trump is worth much less than he claims, then what does that say about his motivation to enter the race? To answer this, you have to know a bit about Trump and how the world works(tm). Trump is an egoist who wrote a book entitled "The Art of the Deal". Together than implies:

1) Trump isn't in the race for patriotic or humanitarian reasons.
1) Trump isn't going to risk a good chunck of his fortune on a quixotic race for the Presidency - he has some way that guarantees that he is a 'winner' from 'deal'/run (Note: some might say the publicity is valuable to him - but he is already well-known).

The speculation about his wealth makes the (confirmed!) report of a talk with Bill Clinton before announcing his candidacy even more curious.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 24 2015 21:48 utc | 17

Also note:

Trump entered the race just a few weeks after talking with Bill Clinton. Trump did some things that show that his entry was not well thought-out/prepared like:

1) Hired Roger Stone as campaign manager. Stone is well-known for campaign 'dirty tricks' like pushing third-party runs for office that will disrupt others that are running for office.

2) Not having foreign policy/military advisors (and presumeably other advisors) lined up.

3) Not covering his weaknesses: his tweets about women that were raised by Megyn Kelly should've been identified and he could've made a donation to women-center causes (like breast cancer research). He is quick to tout how he gives money to many politicians/causes BUT he could NOT (apparently) say the same about women's causes!

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Disclaimer: Just my 2cents. It's still early in the race. Mistakes happen. I don't know any more than anyone else that follows informative blogs like MoA.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 24 2015 22:01 utc | 18

Forgot to provide this link: Behind the Scenes of the Donald Trump - Roger Stone Show (ht nakedcapitalism.com)

Note: Trump says he 'fired' Roger Stone 2 days after the debate (and just before or just after this article was published.) Roger Stone says he quite and still support Trump.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 24 2015 22:07 utc | 19

I had to click on the original photo to enlarge it to make sure I was not seeing something that had been Photoshopped already. The picture as is just looks so surreal.

The baby in front doesn't look too happy about being offered as a sacrifice.

Posted by: Jen | Aug 24 2015 22:31 utc | 20

America deserves President Trump!

Posted by: RussianBoy | Aug 24 2015 22:31 utc | 21

unbelievable.....this guy is going to win....trump is on the pump......simple message...jobs for americans,its the economy stupid,

Posted by: mcohen | Aug 24 2015 22:59 utc | 22


@RussianBoy #21

"America deserves President Trump!"

President Hillary Clinton, President Bernie Sanders or even President Elizabeth Warren.

What's the different between Republican and Democrats?
Same circus but different Ring Masters.

Posted by: Jack Smith | Aug 24 2015 23:30 utc | 23

I can't figure out whose arm that is, which is extending in the foreground from the side of that lady's neck!

But it's all great fun! Trumptopia and Trumpageddon!

Posted by: Copeland | Aug 25 2015 0:57 utc | 24

I was struck by the same thing Copeland. Staring at the XL size, I now think that someone else has been airbrushed out of the picture - someone whose arm alone remains - and the lady with the 'Thank you lord jesus for president Trump' sign pasted in place.

So in fact all 3 images are fake. And if all 3 are fake, then I'll go for number 3 as being the 'truthiest' of them all.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 25 2015 1:23 utc | 25

America is a disaster, a huge epic disaster and now comes Trump.
Put on your seatbelts this country is going to get worse.

Posted by: Fernando | Aug 25 2015 1:54 utc | 26

There are plenty of reasons to be suspicious of the Donald. But just for grins, who should I choose from the stable of stalwarts put forth the the sleazy assed Republican Party? Give me just one name that doesn't have the capacity to turn one's stomach and isn't racing to torch the already desolate world. Please just one.

Posted by: Skip | Aug 25 2015 2:08 utc | 27

@25 Been scrutinizing photo #1, as one does in the evening. Seems it was from the Chicago Herald Tribune so most likely not photoshopped. I'm pretty sure the arm belongs to the lady with glasses holding the sign.

Posted by: dh | Aug 25 2015 2:32 utc | 28

See the girl with the pink cap....under the Jesus sign...see the 2 arms coming over her shoulder...who dat...who go there....fake photo ...all 3

Posted by: mcohen | Aug 25 2015 2:56 utc | 29

OK. I'm going all in on this one. Arm to right of girl's face belongs to white T shirt guy. Extended arm belongs to the over-eager Jesus sign lady who is no doubt hoping to land a job on the Trump election committee.

Posted by: dh | Aug 25 2015 3:03 utc | 30

Who's the real Donald Trump? From TRNN:

http://therealnews.com/t2/component/hwdvideoshare/viewvideo/79529

Posted by: ben | Aug 25 2015 3:38 utc | 31

Again b, thanks for the therapy.

Posted by: ben | Aug 25 2015 3:41 utc | 32

I'm leaning toward the Copeland-jfl-mcohen explanation.
It's a right arm and I can't ID the owner. If the grinning Mom & baby were photo-shopped into the pic then the "spare" arm became necessary to explain the shadow on the Mom's arm.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 25 2015 3:48 utc | 33

Did this really happen? If it did, it explains how we have come to this point in time. It may be nice to show ones colors, but if the rest of the world sees this, then indeed, the U.S.A. is the laughing stock. Dumb down the education system, this is what we get.

Posted by: Norman | Aug 25 2015 5:19 utc | 34

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/08/23/strange-bedfellows-donald-trump-and-the-white-working-class/
Yet a constituency is emerging. Trump’s strongest supporters, roughly a quarter of Republican voters across the polls, are not dissuaded by any increased media scrutiny of their candidate. They have overlooked a series of faux pas that might have tanked other candidates.

It appears, however, to be a constituency with whom he has barely interacted: white working-class voters. Their lives are far from the flight path of Trump’s private jet, as he zooms from golf course to grand hotel lobby, television sound stage to penthouse suite.

In fact, Trump, a plutocrat who regularly flaunts his extraordinary wealth, is the candidate whose message most closely aligns with sentiments of Rust Belt voters who have lost manufacturing jobs, lack a university degree or are low-wage earners.

Though historically wary of the rich, white working-class voters without a college degree support Trump far more than any other candidate. In Fox News’ most recent poll, 30 percent of the respondents said they back Trump as the GOP nominee, compared to only 21 percent of respondents with a college degree.

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 25 2015 5:56 utc | 35

OT
http://www.voltairenet.org/article188522.html

The Russian army is beginning to engage in Syria
by Thierry Meyssan

A profound and significant change has just occurred in the Levant – the Russian army has begun to engage against terrorism in Syria. Although Russia has been absent from the international scene since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and although it is moving with care, it has just created a Russo-Syrian Commission, has begun supplying weapons, sharing intelligence, and sending advisors. All of this is more or less coordinated with the White House.

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 25 2015 6:56 utc | 36

#33

thats it ....unless they took extra arms with.....for a whole lotta shaking going down,uh huh,oh yeah.

do the insert media jive
vdo the insert media jive

speaking of which better tighten your seatbelts because september is going to get rough.....15 th september

so far the score is 3 all between the us and china........

Posted by: mcohen | Aug 25 2015 8:18 utc | 37

Trump Hysteria reminds me of Sarah Palin Hysteria. Palin, too had said many things which revealed great ignorance, yet she had many fans who took her seriously nonetheless, and still do. Look at the old Beatles concert at Shea Stadium and the reaction of the crowd - particularly the behavior of the young women.

There is one true thing that Trump has talked about - job outsourcing and import tariffs. If he keeps ringing that bell, the powers that be will surely kneecap him. Race to the Bottom Global Capitalism requires unrestricted "free trade" (with its slave labor, resource exploitation, environmental destruction and most importantly - no tariffs).

Of course, Trump is a pig at the same trough.

Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 25 2015 10:51 utc | 38

Trump,for all his excesses and misstatements(mostly about the WOT)is still better than any other rethug running,and has been a historical demoncrat supporter.
I welcome the fun!We need it in these terrible times of Zionist BS.
Too bad Sanders is one.(Zionist)

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 25 2015 14:27 utc | 39

Y'all are missing the real impact of this photo: white people in the U.S. really do look like that. And think and act like that. Their souls are hard, dark kernels of fear and insecurity, encapsulated in a thick rind of pure hatred. Their diabetic bodies are thoroughly colonized by Big Food. Exposure results in acute anxiety, like poison ivy generating contact dermatitis. Escape and self-cleansing is the only option.

Posted by: Martin Finnucane | Aug 25 2015 14:58 utc | 40

Why all the hubbub over the Donald? Has something in the electorate changed? They swoon when they hear what they want to hear, and the short-term memory on previous liars who curried their favor is a Vagus nerve which starts at the gut resulting in self-inflicted case of Parkinson's and very-early-onset Alzheimers. Trump's minute of fame and obsessive need for attention will shortly be remembered as clearly as last week's bowel movement.

Posted by: Ben | Aug 25 2015 15:26 utc | 41

fear and insecurity, encapsulated in a thick rind of pure hatred

Yep

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 25 2015 15:47 utc | 42

Current Trump-mania is disturbing for the mean-ness of it all - Mean on all levels and meanings of the word.

Given the crop of candidates on both sides of the aisle (the only 2 sides we hapless rubes are supposed to recognize, of course, bc voting for anyone not in either branch of the UniParty is "wasting" your vote, or you're a stupid moron idealist who expects sparkle ponies or something something pfffft), one is singularly depressed and insulted.

THIS is what we get to "choose" from? OR, really: THIS is what the 1% actually wants as the putative Team Leader? Really??

Comparisons to Tundra Trash Palin are fair game, but Palin was put the race as a ringer to rile up certain portions of the base, who will go into the 7th Circle of Hell continuing to worship at her grifter feet. Palin was never ever meant to "win" anything other than a seat at Roger Ailes' rightwing wingnut welfare gravy train for a short span of time.

Trump, OTOH, well, hmmm.... I dunno. Of course, the Big Dawg is somehow tied into this horror show (surprise surprise... not). So my *guess* is that the Clintons feel confident that "they" can defeat The Donald. Were the Clintons more worried about JEB or Rubio or one of those other nasty dumb shitheads so lavishly funded by the Kochs? Does make one wonder.

Thanks for the photos, I guess. I think it has induced walking DayMares which will segue in nightmares. Some of those people! Errgh. I thought my mind had been sufficiently boggled with La Grifterella, but apparently the basest of the rightwing base continues to prove how much they can excel at continuing to be more thoroughly disgusting than one ever thought possible. Shall I give them a slow golf clap for that? Or a Bronx cheer? Choices... choices...

Posted by: RUKidding | Aug 25 2015 17:28 utc | 43

The 3 pix are ‘fake’, photo-shopped. No. 3 is brilliant in its simplicity, great … :)

All this goes to show that the USA does not have a President who is a ‘leader’ aka ‘responsible’ but some sort of cartoonish figure
with some approved-of attributes or line-o-talk. And that the US populace could not care less, or is powerless, this is the way things are.

Bread and circuses, sure, but the circus is hardly thrilling. Trump and Jeb Bush should go into the ring with tigers, rats to shoot,
baseball bats... Bread is being rationed and there isn’t any cake (well some with JP Morgan food-stamp cards.
Slurries at most MacDo’s for sure.) Ppl make jokes about putting up Mickey Mouse or Madonna or Lord knows who.

If it was a straight-out popularity contest it would be better. Some sportsman or woman actress or singer or brilliant teen etc.
could be elected. (Or it might be Putin. Err no I take that back.) But understandably, No.

A thin veneer of pretend political blah has to be maintained. Trump has to say he could get on with Putin, as long as he has the upper hand.
Bwwahhh…

*Internet* poll in Ukraine, 84% of Ukrainians would entrust Putin with Ukr.

http://fortruss.blogspot.pt/2015/07/84-of-ukrainians-would-entrust-putin.html

President Putin has emerged victorious in Time magazine’s 2015 reader poll.

He beat Lady Gaga, Rihanna and Taylor Swift, the Dalai Lama, Malala Yousafzai (Pakistani female activist, hmm),
Pope Francis, and Barack Obama, amongst many others. Mickey Mouse, Jim Morrison, Jennifer Aniston (the last at least alive) weren’t listed.

http://www.rt.com/news/249513-putin-time-poll-russia/

Ok, that was for ‘most influential.’ -- Comparing Rihanna with Putin is totally insane.

Putin is admired or adultated because he ‘defends his ppl’ etc. Lovin’ Putin and hating Russia takes some mental gymnastics.

But apparently it is not much of a problem.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 25 2015 17:30 utc | 44

Forgot to credit the star of the show ....Sydnie Shulford!!!!! YAYYY!!!

http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/25/the-story-behind-that-viral-photo-of-donald-trumps-crowd-in-alabama/

Posted by: dh | Aug 25 2015 17:53 utc | 46

@ 39: "Too bad Sanders is one.(Zionist)"

BS has spoken for a "Two state solution", if that's true, he's the only Zionist to do so.

Posted by: ben | Aug 25 2015 18:48 utc | 47

Time magazine’s 2015 reader poll?

He beat Lady Gaga, Rihanna and Taylor Swift ...

WTFF? So Time's primary readership is right-bent 13 year old girls with no taste?

Looks like the Freemasons and the Illuminati have been unseated as the secret drivers of world politics.

Fucking awesome.

Posted by: Some Guy | Aug 25 2015 19:06 utc | 48

Tis the season of the Great American Political Zombie (GAPZ) in their caps.

The result of generations worshipping a flag, deifying a rag.

With doG, all things are possible,

Except survival.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 25 2015 20:07 utc | 49

Soldiers died for that flag. That flag stands for Freedom - Your Freedom to be a wage slave and to get sick and die in a state of near poverty. Please continue to wave that grand old flag:

Forever in peace may you wave. The emblem of the land I love - the home of the free and the brave. Every heart beats true 'neath the red white and blue where there's never a boast or brag. Should auld acquaintance be forgot - Keep your eye on the grand old flag.

Posted by: fast freddy | Aug 25 2015 20:50 utc | 50

Crazy as the guy is, he is the least bad of the lot. And that tells you all you need to know about the state of the nation

Posted by: mh505 | Aug 25 2015 20:51 utc | 51

The Republican elite are dumbfounded by the rise of Trump but it is the Liberal elite and now foreigners who appear the most frightened and paranoid about this unplanned insurrection. The new Liberal meme is that Trump represents the rise of Fascism ,not just him but the people who might support him are singled out as being or representing evil. Of course this ignores the fact that most of the Statists who support both parties represent and embrace our already installed neo-Fascist order.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Aug 25 2015 23:49 utc | 52

Why Donald Trump is So Scary
by Gary Leupp
In Mobile, Alabama Friday night Donald Trump gave his first substantial presentation (it’s hard to call it a “speech”) at what his campaign described as a “pep rally” in a football stadium before 30,000 adoring fans. I cannot find a transcript yet but have looked at the youtube video, pausing it occasionally while taking notes—just to get a sense of its structure and the flow of content. I will summarize it below.

As I watched and re-watched, I grew in the conviction that The Donald has gone from being mildly amusing (and occasionally refreshing, as when he exposes politicians for the bought-and-paid-for crowd they really are) to being positively dangerous. To the thinking person, the presentation was truly frightening. The rapturous response of the stupefied crowd made it more so.

I’ve long thought that fascist trends are on the rise in this country. The surveillance regime. The huge incarceration rate. Police impunity. Ongoing war and threats of more war.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/25/why-donald-trump-is-so-scary/

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 26 2015 4:07 utc | 53

Trump the Fascist
by Alexander Reid Ross

The White Power Candidate?

An impressive amount of light is being shed on the current presidential candidates, and Donald Trump in particular, revealing the ugly face of fascism in the US.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/25/trump-the-fascist/

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 26 2015 4:14 utc | 54

Donald Trump kicked TV’s most influential Latino newsman out of a press conference
Donald Trump, derider of Mexican illegal immigrants, insulter of POWs and GOP front-runner, kicked journalist Jorge Ramos out of a press conference Tuesday evening.

The billionaire later allowed Ramos back into the press conference, where the two engaged in several lengthy exchanges that dominated the remainder of the event. But none of those exchanges provided the moment that will be repeated in endless loops on cable TV, shared on social media and discussed in Hispanic TV-watching households across the country.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/25/and-then-donald-trump-kicked-tvs-most-influential-latino-newsman-out-of-a-press-conference/?hpid=z1

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 26 2015 5:01 utc | 55

Former KKK grand wizard David Duke: Trump 'understands the real sentiment of America'
And Donald Trump continues to rack up the endorsements.

David Duke, a former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and self-described “racial realist,” says Donald Trump is the best Republican candidate for president because he “understands the real sentiment of America.”

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 26 2015 5:45 utc | 56

Thought I wouldn't look at this post, but I have a couple minutes to put this hysteria to rest.

1. Trump is popular because he is a _popular_ TV star. Many millions of people are greatly entertained by 'The Apprentice' TV show, and enjoy the character he plays, though many think it is not a character. The woman is reacting to T in the way a person with an 80 IQ reacts to touching flesh with a TV-famous person.
2. Recent events indicate that Trump may not know that he's playing a character. But that's part of the fun ... we'll see.
3. Trump is popular with all races. Yes, the Hispanic identity lobby, which favors unrestricted immigration, is very upset with him. But, he's still popular with Hispanics, Asians, blacks and whites. Why? See "1."
4. Being anti-illegal-immigration, even though it is an established politically correct factoid that it's racist not to be in favor of illegal immigration, is popular among the working class and working poor for an obvious reason: they are competing for jobs with, they believe they've lost jobs directly to, illegal immigration. (Large-scale immigration whether legal or illegal should also be opposed by the left, since 'shortages' of labor increase working class leverage and make union formation easier. But, I understand, turn your back on Cesar Chavez and Bobby Kennedy cuz it's 'racist' ...)
5. Don't put it past America to put a stupid actor into power. Who'll just let a crowd of right-wing militarist lobbyists really run the show. Reagan, Bush Jr., and Schwarzenneger fit that bill. No biggie, America has done this and will do this again.
6. Comment 56 ... practices one of the scary and very stupid (but nonetheless successful in the USA) techniques of McCarthyism. McCarthyism by the sincere left: expected, but a bad look. And don't feed the David Duke troll.

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 26 2015 11:14 utc | 57

b

I'm surprised by your clear inability to parse between Dreamers and Anchor Babies, to discern between 'unlimited border jumpers' and Unlimited H-1B Hindus, and to disparage the Welfare Red States in the South that Trump is playing to, and yet uphold the 53% of America's workers who are employed by, or on contract to, the 'Blue Team', Mil.Gov, a majority Obama-Clinton-Biden hope to ride to victory with.

Biden wrote the US Patriotic Act, don't forget, and he is deeply involved in the war crimes in Kiev. Would you prefer an urbane, sexist, schmoozing Biden for the next four years, or a bloviating Trump? Because you only get to choose the flavor of your Kool-Aid, not whether you get waterboarded with it.

?Would I wish a Joe Biden on the USA, the man who believes in abstinence-only sex education and No Child Left Behind privitization and robo-automation of education as an assembly line, the man who created the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act expanding the US prison population in support of the death penalty and MIC, the superhawk in the background supporting Kiev and ISIS?

Or would I prefer a casino mafia boss, fahged abaht et, who might sweep away that now critical-mass nuclear chain-reaction budget-out-of-control voting majority of Mil.Gov, and restore democracy, and a small chance for freedom, to the hoi polloi, to the UnChosen?

This really is New US Civil War, not unlike what's happening in the Levant. Trump is Al Nusra to the Oligarchs and the Aristocrats of WADC-NOVA. It may have a horrible and debilitating outcome, but it's better than the 'known-known' death-of-a-thousand cuts under Biden and his Supreme American Soviet.

'Mr. Gorbechev, tear down this wall', was pure pablum rhetoric, but would you rather still have East Germany under the Kremlin, National Security State lockdown across Germany, an apartheid apparatchik?
I think at this point, if Trump handed out hammers and chisels, Americans would bulldoze Wall Street, and take their chances with the future, like the East Germans did, under Gauck, Merkel and the ZiMF.

Hey, Trump is probably a vote-splitting shill for Hillary, and you'll get Merkel's NeoLiberal double, after all. Huzzah! On the whole, I think it will be worth it.

Posted by: NoReply | Aug 26 2015 11:15 utc | 58

fairleft at 57 --

No, he's not that popular with Hispanics. Poll Shows Trump Is By Far The Least Favorable GOPer Among Hispanics.

Despite Donald Trump's insistence that he will win the Hispanic vote in the 2016 presidential election, a Gallup poll released on Monday shows that Trump's favorability among Hispanics lags far behind the rest of the Republican field.

Ross and Reid raise legitimate points. The Tea Party is an incipient fascist movement, and Trump appeals strongly to this demographic. Fascism is a variant of bonapartism, where the strong leader standing above the competing factions/classes serves as an arbiter and symbol of national unity. I have described him as "The Man on the Black Balance Sheet."

I have no problem with immigration. I have previously said -- let's arrest some solidly Republican businessmen who employ them to undercut wages and conditions.

Of course, if we stopped impoverishing their home countries, there would not be the need to flee.

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 26 2015 11:42 utc | 59

rufus magister @59

His TV show 'The Apprentice' is very popular among Hispanics and all other ethnicities. If you don't like/enjoy 'The Donald' character, it's nearly impossible to like the show.

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 26 2015 12:00 utc | 60

rufus speaking of immigration - US is responsible for Europe's migrant crisis
Insouciance Rules The West
Paul Craig Roberts

Europe is being overrun by refugees from Washington’s, and Israel’s, hegemonic policies in the Middle East and North Africa that are resulting in the slaughter of massive numbers of civilians. The inflows are so heavy that European governments are squabbling among themselves about who is to take the refugees. Hungary is considering constructing a fence, like the US and Israel, to keep out the undesirables. Everywhere in the Western media there are reports deploring the influx of migrants; yet nowhere is there any reference to the cause of the problem.

The European governments and their insouciant populations are themselves responsible for their immigrant problems. For 14 years Europe has supported Washington’s aggressive militarism that has murdered and dislocated millions of peoples who never lifted a finger against Washington. The destruction of entire countries such as Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan, and now Syria and Yemen, and the continuing US slaughter of Pakistani civilians with the full complicity of the corrupt and traitorous Pakistani government, produced a refugee problem that the moronic Europeans brought upon themselves.

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 26 2015 12:13 utc | 61

fairleft @ 57: Thank you, for that moment of Rationality.

Posted by: ben | Aug 26 2015 14:52 utc | 62

23;The ringmasters are Zion,and both parties jump through their hoops.Jesus Christ almighty,when will the sleepers awaken?
And yes,Trump is no worse than just about any candidate running today,they are all WOT morons,and whores of Zion,although at least Trump addresses issues common Americans agree with,domestically.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 26 2015 15:18 utc | 63

61;PCR.totally correct.
The Mexican government also signed those trade deals that steal wealth from the peoples of the Americas.Is it common American's fault their government is corrupt,or is it more the Mexican citizen who lets criminals into office?
And being nationalist is not the same as fascists,who in fact currently power project their violence throughout the world in actions that Herr Hitler allegedly would cream his shorts for,although serial liars tales shouldn't be given credence by thinking humans.
Yankee Come Home,please?

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 26 2015 15:34 utc | 64

@ 39: "Too bad Sanders is one.(Zionist)"

BS has spoken for a "Two state solution", if that's true, he's the only Zionist to do so.

Posted by: ben | Aug 25, 2015 2:48:11 PM | 47

this is a flat-out LIE

Most of the zionists, pay lip service to the idea of a "Two State Solution". .. just like Bernie Saunders, the Arms-Company bought-and-paid-for sh*thead fake-socialist.

even Bennie Nuttinyahoo pays lip service to this 2-state-solution nonsense

http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-tells-eus-mogherini-hes-committed-to-two-state-solution/

http://news.yahoo.com/netanyahu-renews-support-two-state-solution-palestinians-173102570.html

why do you tell such obvious lies, ben?

Like all good Zionists Bernie Saunders, the Arms-Company bought-and-paid-for sh*thead fake-socialist, knows damn well that the phrase "Two State Solution" is code for "You Arabs can Go F**k yourselves, it's all ours"


==========

P.S.: "BS"is great shorthand for Bernie Saunders cos he really is full of BS, as are most of his pimps

Posted by: Blockquote | Aug 26 2015 15:35 utc | 65

fairleft at 57. Yes. To add:

Studies have shown (searched quickly but no good link sorry) a hyper-close, significant, correlation between media exposure (usually TV but sometimes with print as well) with approval ratings, for politicians.

This is basically a no-brainer, links no matter. No man o’ the street approves of or can endorse a pol they have not seen / heard over our amplified communication system(s) and individualisation.

Once some, or massive media exposure flowers, many do *approve* because they find something they like, the person becomes familiar, they have some grasp of the guy or gal, and experience ‘echoes’ to their lives, and just naturally, as is often the human way, see something positive to think or state. (Just as the rough son-in-law is gradually accepted because “we got to know him better and don’t care if he grew up poor” after exposure to the real person.) Such as, now, independents: it is great, he is shaking up the campaign. Or others: I’ll vote for him, he is an outsider, tells it like it is, etc.

see for ex. http://tinyurl.com/qzrz4fl http://tinyurl.com/p4pve4a

These popularity contests of course are completely detached from Realpolitik and the control behind the scenes. It is a sort of fabricated drama, constructed to switch people from hope to disapointment to disillusionement, rendering them powerless in their own minds. A kind of holding action which can last a long time, before the ‘full’ police state need be implemented. (Corporate fascism, well on its way.)

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 26 2015 16:15 utc | 66

@ 65: Actions make Zionists, not rhetoric.

Ad hominems make trolls, not discussions.

Posted by: ben | Aug 26 2015 16:19 utc | 67

and your outright lies just make you a liar, ben.

why do yo make up lies like that?

Posted by: Blockquote | Aug 26 2015 16:27 utc | 68

I never got around to watching The Apprentice. The previews and promos, and comments made by fans, were enough to persuade me that it wasn't my cup of tea. However, Trump must have learnt how to be popular and how to maintain TV ratings. That, alone, gives him an edge over politicians who, by and large, are more famous for ignoring the people than paying attention and responding to their opinions.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 26 2015 16:50 utc | 69

@ 65: Actions make Zionists, not rhetoric.

Ad hominems make trolls, not discussions.

Posted by: ben | Aug 26, 2015 12:19:19 PM | 67

Now you are being, at best, "deliberately disingenuous", ben.

at best.


what you actually tried to imply was that Mr BS' alleged support for a "two state solution" was some sort of proof that Mr BS was not a Zionist:

BS has spoken for a "Two state solution", if that's true, he's the only Zionist to do so.

Posted by: ben | Aug 25, 2015 2:48:11 PM | 47

when reliable evidence was presented which should have disabused any normal honest individual that such a statement was obvious nonsense, (on several levels) you seem to now want to claim you meant something else entirely.

tsk tsk ben.

caught again

Posted by: Blockquote | Aug 26 2015 16:52 utc | 70

Obviously Bernie won't be helping out the Boycott Israel movement any time soon, and that movement is _the_ thing we can do in the West regarding justice for the Palestinians. Whoever wins in 2016, even if he/she makes anti-Israel protest illegal, the boycott movement grows.

That said, I think justice for Palestine is much less important big picture than what Bernie seems to support, a U.S. shift toward peace with Iran. Hopefully that helps lead fairly soon to a big decline in Israeli regional power and scope for its imperialism, and a big decline in Saudi Arabian power and Saudi backed Wahabbist terrorism and imperialism.

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 26 2015 17:07 utc | 71

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 26, 2015 1:07:43 PM | 71

You seem to be forgetting one tiny tiny little minor tiny tiny inconsequential point

Mr BS, the US Senator for Vermont, is already bought-and-paid-for by the arms industry.

So, you seem to be suggesting that somehow (magick?) a future POTUS Mr BS, already bought-and-paid-for by the arms industry, is going to be in favour of "Peace"?

this preposterous notion is offered as a "serious argument" yes?

Posted by: Blockquote | Aug 26 2015 17:46 utc | 72

this preposterous notion is offered as a "serious argument" yes?

Posted by: Blockquote | Aug 26, 2015 1:46:58 PM | 72

I only ask for clarification purposes.

(Like, maybe, your comment @ 71 is some utterly brilliant piece of cutting-edge satire, obviously the product of sheer unbridled genius, which unfortunately for me just went completely over my little head.)

Posted by: Blockquote | Aug 26 2015 17:50 utc | 73

Fairleft @57 makes some very good points. I don't own a tv and never saw "The Apprentice" and have always viewed Trump as a complete crook but a clever one who makes money even when his casinos and other enterprises routinely fail. It's clear that he's figured out how to continue spinning gold out of straw, and somehow (amazingly to me, but whatever) his bombastic bs ego-driven persona holds a broad appeal (not really surprising) in the USA.

The US Pres election has clearly deteriorated to a carny-barker level, esp over the past 3+ decades. It's also evident to anyone who really pays attention (but that's a very very small minority of global citizens) that the US Pres is mostly a figurehead anymore (unsure about in the past, say before WWII).

It's equally true that the USA and other "westernized" nations are mostly now all Plutocracies run by Oligarchs of various sorts who are "domiciled" in various places with differing ideas, ideologies and amounts of power.

That said, there does *appear to be* some jockeying amongst the Oligarchs for how the USA is run, and what gets to happen when. It's obvious that Israel certainly holds a dominant position and calls a lot of shots, no matter who sits in the Oval Office. Equally true that the MIC and BigSpy Inc are also the main shot-callers as to what happens when and by whom.

That said, Trump's fawning fans are a spectacle to behold. While it's unclear, right now, whether the PTB will permit Trump to sit in the Oval Office and bark out his claptrap, the fawning racist fascist servitude of some of the masses still has the power to make me feel definitely uncomfortable. That we are a neo-Fascist state is irrefutable, but the next step to wearing brown shirts seems to draw closer. I hope I'm wrong. Just saying...

Posted by: RUKidding | Aug 26 2015 17:55 utc | 74

Blockquote @73: You'll have to show me what you mean by Bernie is 'owned' by the arms industry. Links? Ran a few terms through Google and didn't find anything so far. As a start, didn't see any arms industry on this list of Bernie's top Prez campaign donors: https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000528

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 26 2015 18:39 utc | 75

Bernie Sanders: SheepDog

By Margaret Kimberley | Black Agenda Report | August 26, 2015

It is obvious that Bernie Sanders functions as the political “sheepdog” of the 2016 presidential election. The sheepdog makes certain that otherwise disillusioned Democrats are energized enough to stay in line and support the eventual candidate, in this case Hillary Clinton. That is reason enough to oppose his campaign but it isn’t the only one. A hard look at Sanders on foreign policy issues shows that he is a progressive poseur, a phony, a conservative Democrat, and not a socialist by any means.

The Sanders website looks like every other candidate’s with a bio, donation information and of course “Bernie on the issues.” But it seems that Bernie doesn’t have any opinions on foreign policy because they are nowhere to be found. How can he be a serious presidential contender if he doesn’t discuss foreign policy? How does he differentiate himself from Hillary Clinton or Republicans if he won’t state for the record how his foreign policy differs from theirs? The truth is obvious. He isn’t a serious contender and his foreign policy views are no different from those of the other candidates.

Sanders’ candidacy is as grave a danger to the rest of the world as that of his rivals. In no way does he challenge the belief that the United States has the right to determine the fates of millions of people without regard to their human rights. He doesn’t believe that other nations have the right to oppose what the United States chooses to impose upon them.

Sanders makes quite a big deal about voting against the invasion of Iraq in 2002 and says he wants United States troops to leave that nation for good. But he never says that this intervention was wrong. He never said that the United States had no right to destroy that country or kill its people. He never said that these interventions are war crimes and violations of international law. Instead he speaks of the efficacy of particular interventions and how they impact Americans.

A presidential campaign should be an opportune moment to say that the Islamic State, ISIS, is a creation of the United States. Instead Sanders repeats that the United States must defeat this force but he only differs slightly in saying that he wants the Saudis to spend their money doing it. “I’ll be damned if kids in the state of Vermont – or taxpayers in the state of Vermont – have to defend the royal Saudi family, which is worth hundreds of billions of dollars.” That mealy mouthed opinion does nothing to end the premise of an American right to do what it wants anywhere in the world. Imagine if Sanders was willing to talk about support for jihadists going back nearly forty years and how each one delivers a more terrifying result.

In 2011 Obama was bombing Libya and planning to kill its president but Sanders didn’t see it as being particularly problematic. He repeated almost verbatim the rationales that assassinated a president and destroyed a nation. “Look, everybody understands Gaddafi is a thug and murderer. We want to see him go, but I think in the midst of two wars, I’m not quite sure we need a third war, and I hope the president tells us that our troops will be leaving there, that our military action will be ending very, very shortly.” Libya’s obliteration was no problem for Sanders as long as the process didn’t take very long.

In 2015 the Bernie Sanders foreign policy still does not digress from American political orthodoxy. He doesn’t question American policy towards Russia. “Well you totally isolate him [Putin] politically. You totally isolate him economically.” “Freeze assets that the Russian government has all over the world.” At no time did Sanders oppose the American policy of intervening in Ukraine and expanding NATO in eastern Europe, the actions which created the current confrontation with Russia. He doesn’t question why the United States has the right to dictate policy to another nation or interfere in its sphere of influence.

Sanders supports the Iran nuclear energy agreement with the P5+1 nations, but issues the same dishonest rationales about it expressed by president Obama. Sanders doesn’t say that Iran was never a nuclear power, an easily provable fact. He doesn’t question the sanctions which forced Iran to the table or point out that the 25 years of inspections called for in the agreement are a violation of Iran’s sovereignty. Instead he repeats the discredited mantra that the United States must make war in order to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear nation when even the CIA said that it never had that capability.

The big elephant in the room, Israel, gets the standard Bernie Sanders treatment. When Israel killed 2,000 people in Gaza in 2014 he would only say that Israel “over reacted.” He didn’t like being questioned about his stance either. When protesters interrupted a speech he told them to shut up and repeated nonsense about Hamas missiles that rarely hit their targets while Israel massacred a civilian population.

When Sanders speaks out against American interventions he couches his opposition in terms of spending money at home instead of abroad. That is somewhat admirable, but there is no reason to cut the defense budget as he says he wants to do, if there is no change in how this country attempts to dominate the rest of the world.

The Sanders campaign may be an interesting footnote, but it won’t bring about needed conversation about United States imperialism. The supposedly socialist senator never even uses that word. There is blatant dishonesty in claiming to want a changed domestic policy in the United States without also changing foreign policy. The two are linked, and American workers can’t have a living wage or health care as long as imperialism goes unchecked. Liberals can’t claim superiority to followers of Donald Trump if they consent to war crimes and human rights violations. Their only requirement seems to be that Democrats ought to be in charge of the carnage.

Sanders wouldn’t be a very good sheepdog if there weren’t so many willing sheep.

Posted by: Bulgaria | Aug 26 2015 20:24 utc | 77

Is the real america nothing but poor angry white people?

Because thats kinda sad.

Posted by: Massinissa | Aug 26 2015 23:17 utc | 78

@66 Noirette

' Once some, or massive media exposure flowers, many do *approve* because they find something they like ... '

Jorge Ramos Commits Journalism, Gets Immediately Attacked by Journalists


One might think that in a conflict between a journalist removed from a press conference for asking questions and the politician who had him removed, journalists would side with their fellow journalist. Some are. But many American journalists have seized on the incident to denounce Ramos for the crime of having opinions and even suggesting that he’s not really acting as a journalist at all.

Greenwald focuses on the studied trashing that Ramos got from the MSM ... Lippizaners defecating at the sound of the trumpet.

Not so much on the obvious 'populist' pitch from Trump, but on the circling of the 'journalistic' wagons against any Indians who want to disturb their narrative : the spectacle is the spectacle itself, and thus becomes 'real' for the perrennial spectators.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 27 2015 1:44 utc | 79

@77 Bulgaria

Thanks for Margaret Kimberly ... a short quote and a link would have sufficed ... better, would have made those unfamiliar with BAR more so. But the point is well taken. Americans allowing themselves to be played ... again ... by the Elephant Donkey gang will wake up ... betrayed! ... just as have the Greeks who went with Syriza. At some point you just have to do something different if you actually want things to change. If not, though, they're always the elephants and donkeys on TV.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 27 2015 1:57 utc | 80

"It is obvious that Bernie Sanders functions as the political “sheepdog” of the 2016 presidential election. The sheepdog makes certain that otherwise disillusioned Democrats are energized enough to stay in line and support the eventual candidate, in this case Hillary Clinton."

I've seen this assertion at Counterpunch and now BAR, but it's never made any sense. Enthusiasm about Sanders obviously doesn't translate into support for Hillary. In fact the opposite. As common sense truths get told and Sanders' poll numbers rise, people realize there is an alternative, and there is a very large percentage of voters who agree with Sanders' populist economic perspective. That hurts Hillary, who's an obvious anti-populist. In fact, scuttlebutt now is that the Democrats will have to replace her with someone less obviously anti-populist. (Faux good ol' boy Joe Biden, come on down!)

Also, think chronologically. Let's say Bernie gets wrecked in March of next year, in the ostensibly big money dominated post-New Hampshire, post-Iowa primaries. March, eight months before the election. So, the concept of 'sheepdogging' is that Democrats who hate Hillary are gonna decide that participating in the Bernie insurgency has made them 'energized' for her, a candidate of the 1% who they know is lying to them. And that they will definitely not turn enthusiastically toward a third-party candidate who isn't lying to them, whose positions on economic issues are much closer to Sanders' positions, and who is much better on anti-militarism and anti-imperialism.

The real problem for left voters won't be Sanders, because there's plenty of time to coalesce behind a Sanders replacement after he loses (if he loses). It will be the 'mainstream' third-party candidate(s) who will tell them to vote for Democrat "if it's close." Get ready for that b.s. next year ...

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 27 2015 2:25 utc | 81

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 26, 2015 10:25:42 PM | 81

it's never made any sense. Enthusiasm about Sanders obviously doesn't translate into support for Hillary . . .

You answer your own implied question Fairleft,

. . . vote for Democrat "if it's close."

= =

Of course the Democrats will declare the race to be close and call upon Sanders supporters to back the mainstream candidate because otherwise the batshit crazy, reactionary republican will win.

There will NOT be time to build an alternative. Movements need time to build. And the Repugnant Republican Reactionary will represent a clear and present danger that makes rallying around an alternative very difficult, if not impossible.

What part of 'your being played' don't you understand?

=

Furthermore, if one accepts that the populist to Hillary's left is 'playing' for a Democratic Party/Hillary victory, what should one think of the populist on Hillary's right (Trump) who has previously held many Democratic views, has been friendly with the Clintons, and had Roger Stone as campaign manager(known for running third-party candidates to disrupt the other Party)?

Things that make you go hmmm...

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 27 2015 13:28 utc | 82

What part of 'you're being played' don't you understand?

All of it I think - it's a common problem

Posted by: BLOCKQUOTE | Aug 27 2015 14:31 utc | 83

"The Koch Brothers Have an Immigration Problem"

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-27/the-koch-brothers-have-an-immigration-problem

Source:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/

Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 27 2015 14:39 utc | 84

Apologies if this has been posted already, but this Trump image thing is just getting uncanny.

Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 27 2015 19:07 utc | 85

Whenever I consider my reaction to Trump it reminds me of the things I felt about reagan all those years ago when he was chasing the tewwedledee nomination. "This'll be funny - it will serve the amerikans right if he wins the nomination surely he'll get his ass kicked in the election. Carter's on the nose n he burned Iran something shocking but he'll have reagan for lunch.
There simply aren't enough ignorant & stupid people to vote for Reagan. Lookit his qualification is that he's an actor, yet: 1) he wasn't even a good actor strictly b-grade and even worse he gave up his friends sold them out to Joe McCarthy surely even american aren't so fucked up & brainwashed they'll elect a traitor who sold out his mates ."

But they were and worse it wasn't amerikans who got stuck with the tab altho amerikans didn't do so well, the people of central and eastern europe, as well as afghanistan, and the hundreds of millions in Latin america paid dearly for the amerikans' choice of that alzheimer encrusted lying puppet.

In the same way amerika deserves trump. Million of amerikans have worked hard to earn the right to be leeched white by the deceitful, bombastic parasite that is donald trump, but unfortunately for us non-amerikans his crimes won't be confined to the 50-odd states.
It will be the 8 billion of us who have nothing to do with the US who will be screwed the worst if trump has played the corruptly malevolent tool of the rich, that arch yet seemingly imbecelic corporate entity, 'the media' so well he jags the apotheosis to prez '16

There is a considerable body of opinion in amerika that reagan only did what he did because by acting crazy scared the shit outta all the other world leaders.

Thst may have been true back in the 80's but among the vast sloth of neoliberal ventriloquist dolls who currently comprise the bulk of the world's leaders it is impossible to predict the reaction if Trump announces that it is time to purloin Syria, pillage Iran, or plunder Libya.

A good sized chunk of those tools would try amd outdo each other in the race to second the suggestion.

The remainder would likely scrap over the order of names of those who tabled it for the agenda of the agenda setting meeting to discuss what issues may go forward for the UN to consider the following year - by which time Syria has been purloined, Iran pillaged and Libya plundered.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 28 2015 12:19 utc | 86

@ 83: "What part of 'you're being played' don't you understand?"

Being played, is understood by most, at least among those who post here. Question is, is the status quo changeable, or do we all just curl up, suck our thumbs, and do or say nothing.

Posted by: ben | Aug 28 2015 14:44 utc | 87

From Counterpunch on the American "dumb ass" syndrome:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/25/the-united-states-of-stupidity/

Posted by: ben | Aug 28 2015 16:18 utc | 88

Being played, is understood by most, at least among those who post here. Question is, is the status quo changeable, or do we all just curl up, suck our thumbs, and do or say nothing.

Posted by: ben | Aug 28, 2015 10:44:23 AM | 87

Yeah we heard all that 8 yrs ago, when idiots like you were saying the exact same thing about the guy now in the job.

And now you're trying to peddle the same completely discredited line of utter BS about Mr BS himself, the alleged-by-morons "socialist" Senator from Vermont.seriously, just stfu, no ones buying your BS

Posted by: blockquote | Aug 28 2015 18:32 utc | 89

Bernie Sanders on foreign policy: of course, the best of it is that he says so little. But what he says seems disturbing, because one can argue that he believes that crap. Counterpunch found the quotes when he suggested that USA should increase the reliance on KSA and other friendly satraps in the region. Which is exactly what Obama is doing, with the subtle manouver of diverting the activity of the satraps from Syria/Iraq to Yemen, which is better because they end up spending even more on the Western arms, while humanitarian crisis in Yemen is not likely to generate waves of refugees reaching Europe. And since GCC pays good coin, "nobody" contemplates changing their bloody habits.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 28 2015 18:49 utc | 90

blockquote @89: Enough of your aspersions and trolling b.s. Everyone here probably read Barack Obama Incorporated in November 2006 and knew from then that BO was Wall Street owned. Give us some evidence that Sanders is in any slight way similar to Barackocharlatan. And a reminder:

Blockquote @73: You'll have to show me what you mean by Bernie is 'owned' by the arms industry. Links? Ran a few terms through Google and didn't find anything so far. As a start, didn't see any arms industry on this list of Bernie's top Prez campaign donors: https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000528

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 26, 2015 2:39:37 PM | 75

One more reminder or stfu: Evidence

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 28 2015 19:25 utc | 91


You're right, I shoulda just accused him of being a fully fledged Racist Supremacist Jewish Zionist

Even from a quick perusal of his Wiki bio, its clear what his main motivations are . . . .


Early life and education[edit]

Sanders was born in Brooklyn, New York to Eli Sanders and Dorothy Glassberg.[19][20] His father was a Jewish immigrant from Poland whose family was killed in the Holocaust,[9][19][21] while his mother was born to Jewish parents in New York City.[22]

[23]Sanders has said that he became interested in politics at an early age because of his Jewish heritage:

    "A guy named Adolf Hitler won an election in 1932. He won an election, and 50 million people died as a result of that election in World War II, including 6 million Jews. So what I learned as a little kid is that politics is, in fact, very important."

He attended Hebrew school in the afternoons and had his bar mitzvah in 1954. Sanders attended James Madison High School, where he was captain of the track team.[25] While at Madison, Sanders lost his first election, finishing last out of three for the student body presidency. Sanders's mother died in June 1959 at the age of 46 shortly after Sanders graduated from high school.[21]Sanders went to Brooklyn College for a year before transferring to the University of Chicago. He was a member of the Young People's Socialist League, the youth affiliate of the Socialist Party of America.[26]While attending the University of Chicago, he was active in the Civil Rights Movement, and a student organizer for the Congress of Racial Equality and theStudent Nonviolent Coordinating Committee.[9][10] One of the actions he took was the coordination of sit-in protests against segregated campus housing, for which he was arrested.[27] Sanders also participated in the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.[28]In 1964, Sanders graduated from the University of Chicago with a bachelor of arts degree in political science, married his first wife, Deborah Shiling, and bought a summer home in Vermont. Over the next few years he took various jobs in New York and Vermont and spent several months on an Israeli kibbutz. By 1968, he was living in Vermont year-round.[26]

What I can never figure out is "how do guys like Sanders manage to fool everyone with the Racial Supremacist nonsense (Zionism) combined with the Anti-Racism?"

Guess its more acceptable if its the particulary "Jewish 'Socialist' Racism" known as Kibuttzism. Chompers gets a pass on this too.

Posted by: blockquote | Aug 28 2015 19:50 utc | 92

fairleft @91

I missed the article you reference - Barack Obama Incorporated... your link appears broken. Please repair, as I am interested in reading it. Thanks for all your comments above; enjoy them as always.

b,

Thanks for all your hard work. I appreciate this article... as too many people seem to think Trump shouldn't be given any attention...that he will very soon disappear. (Good luck with that!)

Posted by: crone | Aug 28 2015 22:51 utc | 93

@93

Good luck with that!

You said it. Didn't the Weimar Germans all expect their buffoon to dry up and blow away? The oligarchs found him useful and he stayed around awhile, didn't he. We need more than luck we need an alternative to the Elephant/Donkey Gang. We're the only ones here. We're going to have to do it ourselves. What would you call it when the people organize themelves and take over their government outside of the broken, corrupted, traditional channels no longer of any use? democracy?

I tried typing Barack Obama Incorporated into the search box above, but ...


403. That’s an error.

Your client does not have permission to get URL ... Requests without cx/cref are no longer supported That’s all we know.


So that's all I know. Looks like typepad hasn't kept up with google's program.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 28 2015 23:31 utc | 94

@88 ben

There's something there ... but it's the MSM. If everyone would just turn off the TV for a month or two they'd never go back. And change would become more probable. Change is certainly possible, but would be much more likely if everyone would just turn off that damn TV.

Posted by: jfl | Aug 28 2015 23:43 utc | 95

jfl @ 95: ABSOLUTELY, but not likely.

Posted by: ben | Aug 29 2015 0:21 utc | 96

in re 92 --

ROTFLMAO!

Please, stop, I can't take the irony. Being lectured on racism and respect by an anti-Semitic Single-Malt Snob and all-round Tory Toff, wholesaler of slurs and induendo! Yow!

Zionism is a form of nationalism, all of which are inherently susceptible to moving from a justified pride in one's ethnicity and culture to racism, chauvinism, and bigotry. Too bad that's there so much of the latter going around.

The Likud Party and settlers have certainly veered off in that direction. I don't think the old Labour Party was, but I think some of the descendants of kibbutzim have moved right.

And by the way, did you actually read what you cut and pasted? Do you even know what SNCC was? I'm a little unclear how someone active in CORE and who recently got Cornell West's endorsement could be a racist.

What does Sanders himself think of Zionism?

Ezra Klein: Do you view yourself as a Zionist?

Bernie Sanders: A Zionist? What does that mean? Want to define what the word is? Do I think Israel has the right to exist, yeah, I do. Do I believe that the United States should be playing an even-handed role in terms of its dealings with the Palestinian community in Israel? Absolutely I do.

Again, I think that you have volatile regions in the world, the Middle East is one of them, and the United States has got to work with other countries around the world to fight for Israel's security and existence at the same time as we fight for a Palestinian state where the people in that country can enjoy a decent standard of living, which is certainly not the case right now. My long-term hope is that instead of pouring so much military aid into Israel, into Egypt, we can provide more economic aid to help improve the standard of living of the people in that area.

Given that the default position in American politics is unswerving support for whatever Israel does, Sander's position here is fairly good.

Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 29 2015 1:44 utc | 97

Rufie, as usual like a true ignoramus you pontificate about zionism while clearly knowing sweet fuk all about the subject

Zionism's is firmly rooted over at the NAZI end of the racist nationalism spectrum. Your attempts to run interference for the jewish left by seeking to whitewash over their obvious racism regarding israel vs "arabs" are frankly pathetic

As for Sanders comment re zionism

The mans simply a liar. The phrase "israels right to exist" is straight from the zionist/AIPAC playbook


Posted by: blockquote | Aug 29 2015 4:32 utc | 98

Rufie defending zionism from accusations of racism

Priceless

How low will he go?

Posted by: blockquote | Aug 29 2015 4:49 utc | 99

Posted by: fairleft | Aug 28, 2015 3:25:25 PM | 91

Exhibit 1: the deception and subterfuge of the answer @97.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 29 2015 5:05 utc | 100

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