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August 12, 2015
Open Thread 2015-31
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The decision to file charges against journalists stemming from the Ferguson protests last year should be considered alongside the tendency of the current GOP candidates to praise Egyptian military leader Sisi – the man who has pressed terrorism charges against journalists in his country. The network of repression, and effusive support for repression in defiance of longstanding rights and principles, continues to gather momentum amongst certain sectors. Posted by: jayc | Aug 12 2015 18:45 utc | 1 Putin’s peace initiative may be producing results. In this article in Al Monitor, a Lebanese journalist found the number of military checkpoints from the Lebanese border to Damascus had been reduced. A Syrian official told him that their army had met significantly less resistance in that area — an indication that that the Saudis had reduced or withdrawn their support. Posted by: LZA | Aug 12 2015 19:14 utc | 2 @1 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Aug 12 2015 19:21 utc | 3 Possible resumption of major ground fighting? Posted by: Vintage Red | Aug 12 2015 20:25 utc | 5 Good to see this — ISIS in Afghanistan: Proxy War Against Iran and China — in Counterpunch. My guess is that, after recent efforts by the Afghan and Pakistan governments (Pakistan prodded by China) to compromise and make peace with the Taliban, massive Saudi money has entered in and funded dissident Taliban factions and, of course, ISIS. This video — Taliban condemns ‘irresponsible, ignorant’ ISIS for graphic execution of Afghan prisoners — is part of what is happening. And, as always with Saudi backed charlatans/fanatics, there’s always the holier than thou pretense justifying anything:
Sometimes I wonder “if Americans only knew” about the cruel savages that their government backs with their tax dollars, what they would do. Watch football is my guess but still I wonder. Posted by: fairleft | Aug 12 2015 21:57 utc | 6 massive explosion in tianjin… think i remember there has been trouble and quarrels in relation to some gas pipelines or lng ports? anyone got some hints? Posted by: radiator | Aug 12 2015 21:58 utc | 7 @6 fairleft. Posted by: tom | Aug 12 2015 23:51 utc | 9 R@8 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Aug 13 2015 0:12 utc | 10 Interesting posts. I think I agree most with Tom. I would have said it differently. I not only don’t think Americans care about what is happening, but they prefer not to know. Posted by: Rg an LG | Aug 13 2015 3:08 utc | 11 Dilma Roussef is a spent force in Brasil. Lula has to go out on his own and defend himself, Roussef should change her name to Yanukovich she seems about to fold under the constant pressure. Maduro is STILL holding on to power but life in Venezuela is a hellhole because of constant shortages. There is money to spend but there is NOTHING to buy, their is no toilet paper, no cleaining items, it’s always the same. When the Powers that be want to destroy you, first they make sure you run out of soap and chicken. The economic war in Venezuela is REAL, once Maduro and his people are gone, EVERYTHING will reappear once again as if by magic. The other thing with Venezuela is that the USA has flipped Cuba, so the American Axis of Evil is unraveling. Brasil is down for the count, Ecuador is isolated, Colombia is menacing Caracas western flank now that the FARC rebels are being subdued. On Caracas eastern flank British Guyana is also being used as Washington’s catspaw. Black and yellow gold are plentifully available in the former colony, now the USA want’s it, why? China just devalued it’s currency and it’s spooked the Gringos. So the gringos want to shore up their currency with GOLD. Therefore expect more American shennanigans in the continent. The Dominican Republic, Haiti, PR and Cuba (next) are in the eye of the storm, the rich lush jungles and mineral reserves are being plundered by Multi-nationals. It’s sickening to see what is going on. Land of the Free? My ASS….. Posted by: Fernando | Aug 13 2015 3:25 utc | 12 Re #12 ….. Posted by: rick | Aug 13 2015 4:49 utc | 13 5 part interview with Thomas Drake, NSA insider, from TRNN. Worth a listen. Posted by: ben | Aug 13 2015 5:00 utc | 14 Wednesday : ‘Committed to dialogue’, Bern removes Iran sanctions
Thursday : US warns Swiss companies about Iran sanctions
Will (Have) the Swiss blow(n) holes in the US’ cheesey attempt to whip them into line? Posted by: jfl | Aug 13 2015 7:03 utc | 15 Any Jewish person who comes out in support of an enemy of the Posted by: mcohen | Aug 13 2015 7:34 utc | 16 Good takes and I generally agree with @9 and @11. Posted by: fairleft | Aug 13 2015 7:36 utc | 17 1 Posted by: Chipnik | Aug 13 2015 8:02 utc | 18 16 Posted by: Chipnik | Aug 13 2015 8:15 utc | 19 Chipnik Posted by: mcohen | Aug 13 2015 9:00 utc | 20 The Likudniks are a kind of fascist (actually, I think comparisons to S. African apartheid are most apt), but the anti-Semitism in these discussions has to stop. It links the far-right right with the outer fringes of the left: the essence of Nazism. (It incorporated the left, though it doesn’t follow from that that Nazism was left-wing. It was ultimately rightist.) Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 13 2015 10:06 utc | 21 @9 Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 13 2015 10:35 utc | 22 21 spot on Posted by: mcohen | Aug 13 2015 10:35 utc | 23 @23 Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 13 2015 10:49 utc | 24 Anonymous @24: Why wouldn’t a reasonable person document his/her extremely serious “anti-semitism” allegations with specific quotes of posts/people here? Don’t be a troll, let’s see some evidence. Posted by: fairleft | Aug 13 2015 11:40 utc | 25
Thank you for the Pinter link. Something most definitely happened. Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | Aug 13 2015 13:03 utc | 27 Somewhat related to our topics. Reuters reported that during a joint press conference of foreign ministers of Russia and Saudi Arabia, Russian minister, Lavrov, murmured “f….g morons” into the microphone. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 13 2015 15:31 utc | 28 mcohen 23 Posted by: denk | Aug 13 2015 15:35 utc | 29 @26 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Aug 13 2015 15:50 utc | 30 wow 30 Posted by: denk | Aug 13 2015 16:15 utc | 31 Russia’s looking very weak and pathetic over the whole Syrian affair Posted by: aaaaa | Aug 13 2015 16:41 utc | 32 Rg an LG @11
The study only covered 1981-2002. If anything, the oligarchy has strengthened after that time period. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 13 2015 16:52 utc | 33 jfl, about Swiss (CH) Iran sanctions. Here everybody acted as if they were lifted, it was a done deal – since 2 months or more. Posted by: Noirette | Aug 13 2015 17:07 utc | 34 Jackrabbit @ 33 says: Posted by: john | Aug 13 2015 17:45 utc | 35 @31 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Aug 13 2015 18:02 utc | 36 Anonymous @21 cites Wasp J P Morgan’s actions as proof that Jews aren’t responsible for everything. Not a happy choice. It turned out after Morgan’s death that he was never the independent force he seemed. He was an agent of the Rothschilds. It is of course true that not every bird-dropping on someone’s shirt has some Jew behind it. There are also other criminal tribes, such as those in India who go greased up and lightly clad at night to commit burglaries and slip out of harm’s way. But there has never been a force so deliberately and unrelentingly destructive of elementary humanity as the pack of Jews. Some Jews such as Gilad Atzmon come close at times to telling the whole truth about their tribe, and Brother Nathanael Kapner – at great moral expense – actually manages to do it. Anonymous @21, do check out Brother Nat. He’s not infallible, though he generally knows what he’s talking about, much of which goyim have no direct access to. And he holds nothing back. @37 sarz.. apparently anon isn’t aware of those morgan connections.. probably never read the creature from jekyll island either, lol.. Posted by: james | Aug 13 2015 19:28 utc | 38 I don’t understand how the Greeks can vote on the third bailout without having info regarding the promised debt restructuring/re-profiling.
I’d estimate that, after discounting cash flows for the time value of money, the value of this re-profiling would be at least half of that amount (> 200bn Euros). Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 13 2015 19:37 utc | 39 23 Posted by: Chipnik | Aug 13 2015 19:38 utc | 40 Anon #24. Posted by: mcohen | Aug 13 2015 20:54 utc | 41 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2011_Jisr_ash-Shugur_operationhp Posted by: mcohen | Aug 13 2015 21:01 utc | 42 first week in june Posted by: mcohen | Aug 13 2015 21:26 utc | 43 denk 31………….. Posted by: mcohen | Aug 13 2015 21:57 utc | 44 I recently found a paper online which is a white paper by an Israeli think tank entitled “State Cyber Advocacy”.
Of course we always knew that governments kept strangleholds over their mass media, but you don’t often see it said in so many words. This paper is the blue print for waging social media campaigns now that governments can no longer simply rely on the fact that the citizens had no one to turn to except for (state or private) mass media belching out the same familiar talking points. Guest 77 #44 Posted by: mcohen | Aug 14 2015 3:07 utc | 46 Wayoutwest 36 Posted by: denk | Aug 14 2015 3:54 utc | 47 Guardian: European Union backs IMF view over Greece – then ignores it
I’ve read that IMF debt sustainability also considers when a country can borrow in the markets. It seems that the availability of lower-than-market rates for EU bail-out countries create an incentive for higher debt burdens. This makes it difficult, if not impossible to predict when a bailed-out country would return to market-based financing. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 14 2015 4:44 utc | 48 hehehehehe Posted by: mcohen | Aug 14 2015 7:08 utc | 49 Vintage Red at 5 — Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 14 2015 12:05 utc | 50 mcohen 48 Posted by: denk | Aug 14 2015 14:30 utc | 51 16;The Jews worst enemy are themselves,how do they combat that?sheesh. Posted by: dahoit | Aug 14 2015 14:43 utc | 52 37;It can’t be genetic,it must be cultural,the Jewish and Zionist criminal activity. Posted by: dahoit | Aug 14 2015 14:46 utc | 53 Guest77, at 44, that paper is interesting. I only skimmed through it – it requires study – but it appears to me a main point is missing. The paper does define ‘different audiences’ along the slice and dice method, yet it does not mention the effect of social media as to the fragmentation of society, the creation of oppositions in society, the need for an over-arching consensus to hold an entity aka state, nation, tribal group, whatever, together. It is uniquely written from a top-down approach, description of a state of affairs, with a control scenario layered over it, and ignores, for a large part, what is going on. This may be FINE or natural for Isr., which is run 100% top-down by oligarch-corp-military in a camouflaged cabalistic dictatorship, but the paper’s strategy is moot as applied to the US or France (the control there is weaker.) Naturally, Isr. sells all its templates, another story. Posted by: Noirette | Aug 14 2015 15:21 utc | 54 D@47 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Aug 14 2015 17:24 utc | 55 #33, Posted by: Rg an LG | Aug 15 2015 0:31 utc | 56 #24 anonymous Posted by: mcohen | Aug 15 2015 4:09 utc | 57 Wayoutwest 55 Posted by: denk | Aug 15 2015 4:50 utc | 58 Posted by: Rg an LG | Aug 14, 2015 8:31:54 PM | 56 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 15 2015 14:41 utc | 59 59 follow-up Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 15 2015 15:30 utc | 60 “Hey, we were down with the bank robbery,” says the American public. “You didn’t tell us the guard and teller would get shot!” Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 15 2015 16:18 utc | 61 @rufus magister, 61: Posted by: Vintage Red | Aug 15 2015 18:50 utc | 62 @rufus magister, 50: Posted by: Vintage Red | Aug 15 2015 19:01 utc | 63 amusing typo @63: Posted by: Vintage Red | Aug 15 2015 19:58 utc | 64 Vintage Red at 62-3 — Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 15 2015 22:47 utc | 65 @rufus magister, 65: Posted by: Vintage Red | Aug 16 2015 10:08 utc | 66 rm at 65 — Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 16 2015 14:44 utc | 67 The Kyiv Post reports on expanded efforts at citizen self-suveillance with Students hand professor over to security service for making pro-separatist statements. KP seems a little worried about the possiblities of abuse, they don’t seem to worry about the implications of a nation of snitches. Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 16 2015 15:01 utc | 68 Vintage Red at 66 — Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 16 2015 15:20 utc | 69 @Noirette rufus magister @69:
Posted by: Vintage Red | Aug 17 2015 6:57 utc | 71 More thoughts: Posted by: Vintage Red | Aug 17 2015 7:01 utc | 72 1989 tam rebellion courtesty of unitedsnake, on the eve of gorbacev’s visit to beijing. Posted by: denk | Aug 18 2015 2:18 utc | 73 Vintage Red at 71-2 Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 18 2015 23:13 utc | 74 After the recent burst of fighting, things have quieted down, at least for now, in the Ukraine. The militias have been quiet, perhaps shushed with the promises of renewed hostilities. Political developments, of course, continue to occur.
Antifashist then sees Poroshenko moving on to Yatsenyuk. They note his party, the Narodnyi Front, has seen a precipitous drop in support.
They offer this description of Zguladze:
Certainly, this will increase the control Poroshenko enjoys. But I believe they overstate the degree to which the volunteers are under control. They have not been disbanded, though some were relocated and most placed, formally, under control of the military and the Interior Ministry. Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 19 2015 0:05 utc | 75 Well, just one day after the German vote for QE3, the Savior that MoA’s gushed over, the man who was going to ‘Stick it to the Bundebank’,’ … retired for greener pastures. Posted by: NoReply | Aug 20 2015 21:16 utc | 76 in re 76 — Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 20 2015 22:06 utc | 77 Philip Giraldi: Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 20 2015 23:16 utc | 78 A few items on Banderastan.
The Saker considers a new offensive likely as well.
Meanwhile, a new party in the making. Sergey Kaplin, its founder, earlier called for Ukrainian nuclear rearmament.
Against this background, Andrew Korybko asks, Is Ukraine on the Cusp of a Real Uprising? Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 21 2015 11:57 utc | 79 further to 77 — Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 21 2015 12:02 utc | 80 Israeli politician’s Reform Jew comment provokes fury
‘“I can’t allow myself to say that such a person is a Jew.”’ Posted by: jfl | Aug 21 2015 12:04 utc | 81 Panic sell-off on world financial markets
Forbes criticizes Obama administration’s self-damaging warning toward China
There are two stories … maybe three, or four, here, it seems to me : Posted by: jfl | Aug 22 2015 14:47 utc | 82 Compare and contrast. Principled vs. unprincipled leadership in Greece.
Ekathimerini recounts the various parties preparations for the election. As noted, Left Platform has split and is standing on its own.
For it’s part, Syriza is taking “the opportunity to invite candidates of other political persuasions to join the SYRIZA ticket,” since it no longer has to balance party factions, (i.e., it’s cutting itself from its base, which it has screwed). Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 23 2015 14:56 utc | 83 The media is saying that Tsipras called early elections because he expects his popularity to wan It seems to me that Tsipras called the early election because he does not expect to obtain any significant debt relief. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 23 2015 23:09 utc | 84
Posted by: Vintage Red | Aug 24 2015 6:22 utc | 85
Posted by: Vintage Red | Aug 24 2015 6:26 utc | 86 @rufus magister, 74: Posted by: Vintage Red | Aug 24 2015 6:36 utc | 87 UN calls Daesh temple destruction in Syria’s Palmyra ‘war crime’
The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate/USA/CIA and their first-string droogies have murdered one or two hundred thousand contemporary Syrians and that’s OK, but now their rogue, second-string, false-flag operation has blown up some stones in the dessert and that’s a war crime! Posted by: jfl | Aug 24 2015 18:16 utc | 88 Vintage Red at 87 — Posted by: rufus magister | Aug 25 2015 11:35 utc | 89 Being a WWIII junkie, I’ve been a bit frustrated by the lack of public debate between the “When not If” crowd vs the “If not When” crowd. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 26 2015 15:27 utc | 90 |
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