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June 30, 2015
Open Thread 2015-27
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Air Force: Lost Predator was shot down in Syria Posted by: ALAN | Jun 30 2015 18:20 utc | 1 It takes great endurance to process the daily news, shot through as it is with crass commercialism and government propaganda. A source of inspiration for me is the ultrarunner, an athlete that can plod along all day. With Greece, birthplace of the marathon, on the brink of either liberation or an acceptance of subjugation here is a elevating tale from two weekend’s back about super-runner and New York Public School teacher Keila Merino. Great achievement is possible on the small human scale. Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jun 30 2015 18:52 utc | 2 Tsipras: Their plan was to end hope for a different policy in Europe Posted by: nmb | Jun 30 2015 19:15 utc | 3 Syria… Yemen, same modus operandi Posted by: Mina | Jun 30 2015 19:47 utc | 4 @2 thanks mike for the feel good and inspirational story.. Posted by: james | Jun 30 2015 21:24 utc | 5 5 Posted by: Chipnik | Jun 30 2015 21:57 utc | 6 And while we’re on open thread, I’m sure everyone understands Redford and The Pope are speaking in allegorical terms about ‘climate change’, when the one true agent of change, society-destroying throughout human herstory, is deforestation, and it’s accompanying dsertification. Posted by: chipnikh | Jun 30 2015 22:30 utc | 7
You’re conflating ideas here…neoliberal policy is ideologically opposed to public investment by sovereign governments. It believes (dictates) that all funding must be obtained through banking institutions, that countries must obtain their surplus ‘income’ by selling their production to foreigners, and that ‘markets’ rather than governments, should be relied on to manage economies. A finance theory of monetary systems. Monetarism. Fiscal theory is associated mainly with Keynesianism, capitalism managed by the fiscal authority.
With U.S. federal spending at $3.9T and Gross private Domestic Investment (GPDI) at $2.9T, it’s more like 57%, but then, spending=income, so would we be better off with it or without it? The problem is we should be spending it on building stuff rather than blowing stuff up. That and, without U.S. Govt. money-printing (spending) the economy would be a tiny fraction of what it is and we would all be living like the Amish. The fiscal authority is the spender of last resort, and we obviously don’t have enough of it, or we wouldn’t have such high unemployment. Posted by: paulmeli | Jun 30 2015 23:10 utc | 8 More signs of infighting and rumors of infighting amongst the Kiev junta.
Control over the militias remains problematic. After a number of soldiers were arrested in Mariupol in May, some local officials and Rada members offered their support to detained volunteers. “Many see such units as lawless and dangerous, and should be brought under control. Others, including many politicians, believe that their service to the country during a time when the military has been chronically weak is critical to success in Russia’s war against Ukraine.” Is that chasm tired? It looks to be yawning.
On to Washington! Berlin or Bust! No pity on the City! Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 1 2015 0:32 utc | 9 @8 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 1 2015 1:43 utc | 10 I went to Cannonfire the other day and was rudely ridiculed as a spook and a paid troll, alongside one unacquainted, like minded guest that shared similar views. Posted by: Shadow Nine | Jul 1 2015 3:31 utc | 11 NSA — Despite Claiming It Doesn’t Engage In Economic Espionage — Engaged In Economic Espionage… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 1 2015 4:26 utc | 12 8, 10 Posted by: Chipnik | Jul 1 2015 5:11 utc | 13 9 Posted by: Chipnik | Jul 1 2015 5:40 utc | 14 re the ponzi scheme for the world – i don’t hold out a lot of hope for it working out.. the financial world is one big smoke and mirror machine – just how these folks like it to keep ordinary people in the dark… the way i see it the imf and world bank are a part of the problem.. they represent the tip of the iceberg that we see, while the banks and those who seem to run or own them – lie below the surface.. my impression is there is a conflict over how to keep control of everything and china/russia and some other countries represent a serious threat to the continuity of it all.. i am sure i have some of this wrong, but the situation in greece is either another giant bail out for the banks, or the shit is going to hit the fan sooner then later.. i suspect bail out which is typically the name of the game, until it isn’t… in a story of who blinks first, i think greece is going to blink before the financial lords do.. Posted by: james | Jul 1 2015 5:52 utc | 15 @8
In other words, capitalism is a Ponzi scheme, that why ALL other Ponzis are illegal. Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 1 2015 7:21 utc | 16 http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/01/us-eurozone-greece-poll-idUSKCN0PB3HQ20150701?mod=related&channelName=ousivMolt Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 1 2015 8:13 utc | 17 Another Black Church Burning Haunts South Carolina
The good ole boys are havin’ fun, just like in the good ole days. Posted by: jfl | Jul 1 2015 8:14 utc | 18 @16
Easy for them to say … still, good to hear … I imagine Krugman and Stiglitz will liquidate their assets and send them to the Greeks … a Nobel Prize is, what, about a megaeuro? Posted by: jfl | Jul 1 2015 8:26 utc | 19 18 Posted by: Chipnik | Jul 1 2015 8:52 utc | 20 11 Posted by: Chipnik | Jul 1 2015 9:40 utc | 21 19) great analysis.
Posted by: somebody | Jul 1 2015 9:50 utc | 22 @21 Posted by: jfl | Jul 1 2015 11:09 utc | 23 @20 Posted by: jfl | Jul 1 2015 12:01 utc | 24 2 july coming up….full alert…..new york london tel aviv Posted by: mcohen | Jul 1 2015 12:18 utc | 25 http://english.almanar.com.lb/adetails.php?eid=218755&cid=23&fromval=1&frid=23&seccatid=18&s1=1 Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 1 2015 12:22 utc | 26 Chipnik @7 on deforestation clicked in my mind with Greece. Posted by: Noirette | Jul 1 2015 12:38 utc | 27 Islamic State Group Threatens to Topple Hamas
The US/IL are going to sic their pet bulldogs on the Palestinians in Gaza … you have to wonder that the ‘Sunnis’ haven’t yet caught on to just who it is the ISIS is working for. Posted by: jfl | Jul 1 2015 13:00 utc | 28 Posted by: jfl | Jul 1, 2015 7:09:08 AM | 22 Posted by: somebody | Jul 1 2015 13:07 utc | 29 Chipnik @7 on deforestation Posted by: geoff29 | Jul 1 2015 13:46 utc | 30 Hypothetical: Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 1 2015 14:31 utc | 31 Follow-up: Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 1 2015 14:36 utc | 32 @28 17;Farrakhan wasn’t defending the stars and bars,just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy.He says many correct and observant facts. Posted by: dahoit | Jul 1 2015 15:21 utc | 35 Posted by: jfl | Jul 1, 2015 10:49:02 AM | 32
Posted by: somebody | Jul 1 2015 17:06 utc | 36 http://www.ft.com/intl/fastft/353421 Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 1 2015 18:43 utc | 37 I like Jackroabbit’s idea. The Greeks, Italians, and Spaniards could make a killing by trading with the huge part of the world currently under sanction by the US/EU cabal. Russia and Iran are cash/resource rich, and the Southern European countries would be industrial powerhouses if they could do business in the places the Germans, by Washington decree, could not. @36 Not sure what sort of stock to put into shady leaks like this. Especially in the midsts of full blown crisis mode. No Okie just watch the speech given by Tsipras this afternoon and you’ll understand Posted by: Mina | Jul 1 2015 19:10 utc | 40 http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/30/greek-debt-troika-analysis-says-significant-concessions-still-needed?CMP=share_btn_tw Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 1 2015 19:23 utc | 41 More from Francis’ encyclical. I’m editing to what to me are the most powerful parts, but I’m also attempting to give a full impression of the whole so that it isn’t misleading.
He does make one irritating reference to “the millions killed by Naziism and Communism”. Mina, I just read an English translation of that speech. Tsipras is trying to have it both ways. The letter to EC, IMF, ECB may be to get more support for NO vote, or not, since Euro leaders have differed any consideration until after Sunday’s referendum, which I think Tsipras knew would happen. The letter to the creditors had just enough ‘pull back’ from the creditors’ terms to make it inacceptable for them, maybe clever, or not. Tsipras is walking several fine lines at once. Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 1 2015 20:10 utc | 43 guest thanks for the Pope’s encyclical. No wonder MSM and everybody else ran away from it fast as they could. Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 1 2015 20:41 utc | 44 @41 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 1 2015 20:48 utc | 45 Re the Encyclical… Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 1 2015 20:59 utc | 46 @44 Let me complete some thoughts from the previous comment. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 1 2015 21:11 utc | 47 in re 46 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 2 2015 2:23 utc | 48 @44, 45, 46 – I can’t say I disagree w/ either of you. Tensions continue to build in Banderastan.
He places these actions in their broader context.
Cashiered SBU chief Nalivaichenko is naming names. He is certainly knows where the bodies are buried, so to speak. J. Hawks comments that:
Meanwhile, “One of the ‘grey eminences’ of Ukrainian politics Sergey Levochkin… recently gave an interview to Die Zeit where he said that ‘citizens of Ukraine want to hold Poroshenko responsible for the absence of positive changes in the country.'” Poster Aleksandr Rodzhers considers his Opposition Block one of the prime forces in legitimizing the coup government. He believes that Levochkin is offering up his services as Comprador-in-Chief, should DC tire of Poroshenko and want something new and improved to offer consumers.
Hawk in the comments thinks Rodzhers too pessimistic about the situation and cites Ishchenko’s analyssis of recent demonstrations in Kiev. He believes that exiled members of the dissolved Party of Regions of Yanukovich are behind them. They are offering themselves up for installation as the new leaders of the Ukraine should Novorossiya and the Federation succeed in freeing the Ukraine from the scourge of fascism.
Ishchenko believes that the regime will shortly crack down hard. It wants to discourage other protests and “the regime leaders have nothing to lose…” except their heads. Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 2 2015 3:15 utc | 51 @34
It doesn’t really matter what the US/DE want any longer. It’s got beyond their control. And the MSM is just doing its best to completely muddy the waters. Or so it seems to me anyway. Monday is the day, isn’t it? I think one of the letter (the only one mentioned yesterday morning, European time, in the MSM) was only here to help the markets not take a deep plunge, and show some good will to the EUrocrats. Then when the 2nd letter was mentioned, Tsipras followed shortly with his speech, as the MSM were in full speed contradictory proaganda Posted by: Mina | Jul 2 2015 4:56 utc | 53 http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/02/why-a-no-vote-in-the-referendum-is-a-yes-for-a-proud-greece-in-a-decent-europe-talking-with-phillip-adams-on-lnl-abc-radio-national/ Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 2 2015 6:22 utc | 54 Mina, Paul Jorion has the same position as me on the letter: Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 2 2015 6:36 utc | 55 NYT Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 2 2015 7:11 utc | 56 http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/01/us-cuba-usa-ties-idUSKCN0PB4G320150701 Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 2 2015 7:21 utc | 57 http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/01/us-venezuela-usa-exclusive-idUSKCN0PB5WR20150701 Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 2 2015 7:26 utc | 58 The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of The Republic of China Press Con, July 1 Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 2 2015 8:05 utc | 59 Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 2, 2015 3:11:03 AM | 55 Posted by: somebody | Jul 2 2015 8:55 utc | 60 @27
Beheading Egyptians on their way to behead Gazans? The Arab populace seems as stupified as the Xtian West. ISIS is not on your side, guys. Posted by: jfl | Jul 2 2015 9:23 utc | 61 @59 Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 2 2015 9:32 utc | 62 The trial of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and the political issues surrounding the Boston Marathon bombing
No question in my mind why the CIA and DoJ want Dzhokhar Tsarnaev dead. Dead men – or boys – tell no tales. Posted by: jfl | Jul 2 2015 10:03 utc | 63 32 Posted by: Chipnik | Jul 2 2015 10:11 utc | 64 maybe this explains the link at 57 Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 2 2015 11:05 utc | 65 Chipnik says: Posted by: john | Jul 2 2015 11:05 utc | 66 @ #56/57 Posted by: Harry | Jul 2 2015 11:30 utc | 67 john at 65 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 2 2015 11:54 utc | 68 “While the Flotilla Didn’t Make it to Gaza, Israel Didn’t Win”
The first, and only ‘tell’ required, signaling that Barack the drone Obama was not the man his fans willingly took him for was when – after Bibi celebrated his election and inauguration in Gaza – Barack failed to send in the 6th Fleet to break the illegal Israeli blockade and deliver aid to the Palestinians. The cynical son-of-a-bitch has continued to fail ever since, and along every dimension. Now, following his example, the whole world has failed the humanity test. Who’d have thunk that the CIA could play that tired old Manchurian Candidate film so successfully and for so long. Posted by: jfl | Jul 2 2015 12:06 utc | 69 Government may resign if Greeks vote yes in referendum: Minister
Makes sense. Why hang around and deal with what then becomes the Yay-sayers mess? Posted by: jfl | Jul 2 2015 12:18 utc | 70 US military strategy for world domination targets Russia and China
Thailand? The pentagon thinks Thailand is still on its side? I guess that yes! they do have no windows in the Pentagon. rufus magister Posted by: john | Jul 2 2015 13:46 utc | 72 Posted by: jfl | Jul 2, 2015 8:18:23 AM | 69 Posted by: somebody | Jul 2 2015 14:19 utc | 73 What if Russia exempts Greece from its trade sanctions on EU agricultural (and other?) products if Greeks leave the EuroZone? Jackrabbit at 30. Posted by: Noirette | Jul 2 2015 14:38 utc | 74 Noirette @72
If EU exports via Greece were only half of that in 2013, it would amount to €6b, which would allow Greece to earn a hefty sum in various fees and services. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 2 2015 15:58 utc | 75 @68 jfl… i agree… Posted by: james | Jul 2 2015 16:01 utc | 76 J@75 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jul 2 2015 17:04 utc | 77 “Chinese Oligarchs instead of Western Oligarchs” Shadow Nine @11 Posted by: PhilK | Jul 2 2015 20:25 utc | 79 The official endorsement of same-sex marriage in the USA is causing Starry & Stripey eyed Opus Dei warrior Tony Abbott a few problems. He is moving Heaven and Earth to frustrate all attempts to debate the issue in Parliament; thereby outing himself as the Pope’s Mini-Me. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 2 2015 22:36 utc | 80 Now, following his example, the whole world has failed the humanity test. Who’d have thunk that the CIA could play that tired old Manchurian Candidate film so successfully and for so long. Posted by: Nana 2007 | Jul 2 2015 22:46 utc | 81 John Perkins on Greece how-greece-has-fallen-victim-economic-hit-men
Posted by: Nana 2007 | Jul 2 2015 23:23 utc | 82 @81 Posted by: jfl | Jul 2 2015 23:33 utc | 83 @83- yes and his stepdad was a Suharto henchman I believe, who never killed a man who wasn’t weak, or some damned thing. I’m rooting for financial collapse before Lady Macbeth ascends the mercy seat. Posted by: Nana 2007 | Jul 3 2015 0:01 utc | 84 Obama’s Terror Policy Criticized Amid Claims of ‘Progress’
But of course their boys, ISIS, are making progress. Posted by: jfl | Jul 3 2015 5:37 utc | 85 The fallout from the Greek showdown is not all falling on the wrong people …
… although, in typical speculative-financier fashion, they probably picked up Greek debt for pennies on the euro and figure their – probably as yet unrealized – losses at face value. Posted by: jfl | Jul 3 2015 5:51 utc | 86 at jfl 86 Posted by: Noirette | Jul 3 2015 14:40 utc | 87 @87 Posted by: jfl | Jul 3 2015 22:49 utc | 88 Flotilla members still imprisoned as video emerges of violent Israeli attack during capture
Routine acts of piracy … not even accorded the 15 seconds of infamy formerly thought its due. PhilK @ 79 Posted by: Shadow Nine | Jul 4 2015 1:18 utc | 91 Of interest on Banderastan.
It strikes me as similar to the experience of Weimar Germany. The Social Democrats used the proto-fascist Freikorps (supplied by the rump of the Imperial Army command) against the Communists. The resulting antagonism caused the weakness of the left against the Nazis.
A little too old-fashioned and Starry Eye’d for you? NCW also has a dollop of Realpolitik, served up hypocritically cold by UN Ambassador Samantha Power. Samantha Power lies to U.S. Congress about civilian shelling in Ukraine, and commits a felony.
That’s a yellow card for sure. If you doubt, check the replay for her answer on the question, might it “be possible that the majority of the civilian casualties killed in Ukraine were victims of the Ukrainian army.” It also conveniently presents the rules and explains the violation. Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 4 2015 1:56 utc | 92 Shadow Nine at 91 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 4 2015 2:27 utc | 93 “How World War III became possible” Posted by: Willy2 | Jul 4 2015 7:27 utc | 94 Hey b, Posted by: a88 | Jul 4 2015 8:13 utc | 95 Ted Cruz calls on US to withdraw from UN rights body over Israel
I guess this is the way a US presidential campaign is run now. The first cull is Tel Aviv. If you make the cut, step one is when you’re allowed to kiss the ring there. How can people continue to think of the USA as a superpower? I guess it’s the world’s first gelded superpower? Israel’s ox? Namaste Rufus Magister @ 93 Posted by: Shadow Nine | Jul 4 2015 14:11 utc | 97 Shadow Nine — sorry, I recall someone saying so. But wouldn’t such a throw-down be a blockbuster, though? I’m not to the task. I can wax poetic a bit, but I’m too reality-based and drift back to analysis. Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 4 2015 17:26 utc | 98 Ted Cruz correctly identified UNHRC as a menace. If even such a paragon of human rights as Israel can be bad-mouthed by that body, what about USA? For example, they could criticize effort of American police that kills hundreds each year to protect the public. Yet, these actions are often vulnerable to hostile interpretation. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 5 2015 0:20 utc | 99 @99 |
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