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June 20, 2015
Open Thread 2015-26
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what is the problem with this site posting my comments? i am 3 for about 10 the past few days.. Posted by: james | Jun 20 2015 18:08 utc | 1 Poroshenko admits that the overthrow of Yanukovich was illegal Posted by: sophie | Jun 20 2015 18:15 utc | 2 sophie at 2 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 20 2015 19:06 utc | 3 Sophie@3. Here is a letter I sent to the Foreign and Commonwealth office last year. Posted by: harry law | Jun 20 2015 19:15 utc | 4 @james@1 Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jun 20 2015 19:20 utc | 5 Poroshenko probably trying to use this as a legal buffer, immunity against prosecution who knows ? Posted by: sophie | Jun 20 2015 19:25 utc | 7 Sophie@8 I did. Posted by: harry law | Jun 20 2015 19:48 utc | 9
That makes more sense than I could get out of the article. If true, pretty crazy stuff going on. Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 20 2015 19:55 utc | 10
That why the sniper killing was executed the next day. I forgotten who said it: “Give war a chance.” Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 20 2015 20:03 utc | 11 Thanks Sophie. Posted by: tom | Jun 20 2015 20:05 utc | 12 Poroshenko failed to attend the GLOBSEC forum in Slovakia probably due to alcohol abuse Posted by: sophie | Jun 20 2015 20:46 utc | 13 13 Posted by: Chipnik | Jun 20 2015 21:44 utc | 14 Donetsk under the crossfire of the enemy Definite: Tsipras announces the change of Greece’s strategic dogma Posted by: nmb | Jun 21 2015 0:14 utc | 16 “Crypto-Zionist Wehrmacht” – to coin a phrase, for sure. 😉 Thank you too for the image you provided of America’s kindly, democracy-loving freedom fighters. Like a proud papa, ZBig probably carried Damn, hit enter on accident. Meant to say: In an act that WayOutWest will surely attribute to my “adoration of theocrats”, I’ve been reading Pope Francis’ Encyclical on Caring For Our Common Home. For those who haven’t heard of it, this is the new proclamation out of the Vatican that has led no less a hallowed institution than the British Broadcasting Corporation to ask, in this world of environmental and economic destruction, the single most important question of our times: Is Pope Francis a Communist?
As for the rest, I’m not all the way through but IMHO it is a tour de force. It is a verbal and spiritual assault on rapacious corporate power that is leading the human family down a path of destruction. Destruction which the Pope sees fit to compare to the original biblical flood that nearly wiped out all of humanity. It is not just addressing climate change, but all sorts of environmental issues such as nuclear waste, over-fishing, etc. But it is about far, far more than just about the plight of the environment.
I have to give credit to Daniel Sheehan of the Romero Institute (formerly the Christic Institue best known for their work on the Iran-Contra and Karen Silkwood cases) as I knew months ago that this document was coming. Sheehan is an important social justice lawyer who works now to combat a scheme which sees Lakota children taken from their families and used as guinea pigs of major drug companies (who then plow their profits back into political donations to the South Dakota politicians to make sure the program continues). He was formerly a lawyer for the Jesuit National Headquarters during the US terror war in Nicaragua. He is a is devout Catholic (of the Liberation Theology School). He spoke about the fact that this document was coming by viewing recordings of his Univ of California course called “The Trajectory of Justice”, describing it as this major attack on corporate capitalism. I was skeptical about what would actually be contained – but sure as shit it is exactly as described. Sorry, I know that was a super long post. But really its a pretty amazing document. http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-killed-in-west-bank-shooting-attack-laid-to-rest/ Posted by: e4 | Jun 21 2015 4:30 utc | 21 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/world/middleeast/cables-released-by-wikileaks-reveal-saudis-checkbook-diplomacy.html?ref=middleeast Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 21 2015 5:01 utc | 22 More: Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 21 2015 5:11 utc | 23 Danny Gonen was killed in occupied Palestine. No one deserves to die, but this is a case of Charlie Hebo on steroids. Charlie Hebo just drew pictures to humiliate and infuriate Muslims. Danny Gonen and all the Israeli settlers in Palestine are showing up in person to expropriate Palestinian land and to rub the Palestinians’ nose in it.
I have been reading Ilan Pappe’s The ethnic cleansing of Palestine, and the parallels between the Israelis’ – especially Ben Gurion’s – feelings for the Palestinians and all Arabs are not at all unlike the Americans’ perspective on ‘their’ ‘Indians’ and enslaved Africans and their descendents, although the Israeli ‘problem’ mirrors the American ‘Indian’ problem rather than American ‘African-American’ problem. Both ‘discovered’ a ‘land without a people’ in which to flourish. The original inhabitants didn’t make the bar at ‘people’. Though it does seem that the Israelis have imported some Africans of their own lately, to do the work that needs to be done, although they seem now to be in the process of sending them back to Liberia, I mean Ethiopia. @e4@21
There are clear signs at the entrance to many towns in Palestine which forbid Jews from entering, why?
Problem is there are Jews who already consider Palestine theirs, and venture out on their own without considering the dangers of keeping people under the pressure of a savage, inhuman, racist, apartheid system of occupation, hence the killing of zionazi entity Jews. You can find a circus to play your “victim” show, for as long as the zionazi entity downpress Palestinians, there will be victims on both sides, that is the unfortunate reality. Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jun 21 2015 5:43 utc | 25 http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/charleston-palestinian-matter
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jun 21 2015 6:03 utc | 26 18 Posted by: Chipnik | Jun 21 2015 6:04 utc | 27 @guest77@19
Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jun 21 2015 6:29 utc | 28 @19 @20 @19 Gazans pray in tents after failing to rebuild mosques destroyed by Israel Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jun 21 2015 7:11 utc | 31 @okie farmer@32 Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jun 21 2015 7:34 utc | 33 @33 Yesterday RT Arabic reported the explosion of a car bomb in front of a mosque which has a strong symbolic importance for Zaydi Shiites in Sanaa although all sorts of Muslims pray there Posted by: Mina | Jun 21 2015 8:45 utc | 35 i find the postings by lone wolf and jfl sad…..mainly because ignorance has blinded you to the possibilities Posted by: e4 | Jun 21 2015 8:59 utc | 36 Lone Wolf @33 Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 21 2015 11:37 utc | 37 Here’s a twofer: Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 21 2015 11:54 utc | 38 another from here:
See, if you know about serial killers running around murdering people and never do anything about it, the murders obviously continue but many times the killers becomes more “creative” and blatant in their slaughters. Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 21 2015 12:07 utc | 39 guest77 posted: Posted by: john | Jun 21 2015 12:52 utc | 40 guest77 @ #19 Top rate as usual, Always find your comments (along with several others) highly readable & thought provoking. Posted by: Chris in Ch-Ch | Jun 21 2015 12:56 utc | 41 The article says nothing of the sort suggested here. Poroshenko did not say Yanukovich’s ouster was illegal. He said it was unconstitutional to remove the title of president from Yanukovich. Posted by: bksalt | Jun 21 2015 13:09 utc | 42 Poroshenko has not been much concerned about the constitution since he was elected, this is likely aimed at a Western/US audience Posted by: sophie | Jun 21 2015 14:08 utc | 43 Germany has kowtowed to little Sisi in planning to extradite an Al Jazeera journalist to Egypt. Posted by: dahoit | Jun 21 2015 15:06 utc | 44 If there’s anything that will set the wheels in motion to have him take “early retirement” it’s his statement on “extreme and selective consumerism . . . .” Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 21 2015 15:19 utc | 45 And thanks to Harry Law @ #4 (& Sophie) for sharing the letter to the UK Govt and the reply. Asking perps to answer direct questions is still an excellent way to define “activism.” Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 21 2015 15:36 utc | 46 at sophie 13 and others: Posted by: Noirette | Jun 21 2015 15:55 utc | 47 More infighting and rumors of infighting. Fort Russ has number of pieces reporting Nalivaychenko removed as SBU director; see also here. There are also reports of the disbanding of the Tornado volunteer battalion and its assorted misdeeds. DC’s comprador of choice, Poroshenko, continues to consolidate his hold on the various armed formations said to be at the disposal of the existing Kiev authorities. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 22 2015 0:37 utc | 48 @44
Why would the Germans provide muscle for Sisi? Posted by: jfl | Jun 22 2015 1:08 utc | 49 @okie farmer@37 Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jun 22 2015 3:14 utc | 50 @49
@33, @50 Posted by: jfl | Jun 22 2015 4:08 utc | 51 Israeli minister’s wife tweets racist joke about President Obama
I guess she was inspired by Dylann Roof and his soul brothers? Just touchin’ base with her fundamentalist homies in the US. Racism comes as ‘naturally’ to the Israeli sect as it does to the White Supremecist sect in the US … or as it did to that Aryan sect that was so popular in Germany seventy or eighty years ago.
Lone Wolf, I have a high tolerance for profanity, that said, I think b banned JSore because he was constantly attacking bevin. JSore was quite jealous of bevin, particularly after one of bevin’s post at MoA was used in an article on Counterpunch, and sort of went viral on the intertubes. Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 22 2015 7:55 utc | 55 90% of anti israel,s post,s are by arab,s and iranians and a few turks and pakistani,s….a lot live in europe ..thats why no one bothers to argue with them…it is all bullshit…..same old crap day in day out Posted by: mcohen | Jun 22 2015 8:13 utc | 56 Israel vs. Judaism @3 If you did basic fact checking instead of just swallowing the Sputnik pulp, you’d probably discover that it’s truth and lies mixed, so typical for our media. And the actual phrase “Poroshenko admits that the overthrow of Yanukovich was illegal” is 100% fake. What Poroshenko did: Posted by: Arbat | Jun 22 2015 10:43 utc | 58 https://www.ourcrowd.com/ Posted by: mcohen | Jun 22 2015 11:14 utc | 59 @okie farmer@55 Posted by: Lone Wolf | Jun 22 2015 16:10 utc | 60 Oh, our dear leaders, Putin and Patrushev, have just ridiculed themselves angrily responding to alleged statement by Madelaine Albright about “Russia should not have Siberia for themselves”, that only existed in the parallel reality managed by Kremlin trolls and was injected into the public discourse in 2005. This article that describes the story is in Russian only unfortunately but it’s so funny that it’s really worth reading! Posted by: Arbat | Jun 22 2015 18:53 utc | 61 @19
… jmb sure can talk the talk! can he walk the walk as well? Here’s one archbishop/red hat in obvious need of replacement. Right back on the home turf, too. It’s almost like a direct challenge to jmb, isn’t it? Put up or shut up. Posted by: jfl | Jun 24 2015 1:13 utc | 62 German intelligence warns NATO about Ukraine’s pursuit of nuclear weapons
Sounds like the peace-loving US/DE are going to help the Ukrainians with their nukes? Posted by: jfl | Jun 24 2015 1:47 utc | 63 @60 Posted by: jfl | Jun 24 2015 1:59 utc | 64 arbat at 58 — Poroshenko fears the precedent of Yanukovich’s removal. See Poroshenko afraid to share Yanukovych’s fate. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 24 2015 11:45 utc | 65 @65 I can clearly see that whatever happens in Ukraine or whatever Poroshenko does will be ridiculed and turned into some dumb conspiracy theory on this forum. I have proven that the source you relied on was lying and I provided a legal basis of Poroshenko request to the Constitution Court, but I can see it’s quite pointless here… Posted by: Arbat | Jun 24 2015 14:55 utc | 66 Gareth Porter: “Generals oppose US involvement in Iraq”. Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 24 2015 19:45 utc | 67 Thanks for the kind words. JSore was not banned I don’t think. I think he got fed up with the “feedback” and moved off into the ether of Information Clearing House where no one responds to anything anyone types… Arbat — Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 25 2015 0:55 utc | 69 This Shadow Government Agency Is Scarier Than the NSA
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 25 2015 1:18 utc | 70 @69 The original source I used was Novoe Vremya http://nv.ua/ukraine/events/v-ap-obyasnili-obrashchenie-poroshenko-v-konstitucionnyy-sud-kasatelno-lisheniya-yanukovicha-zvaniya-prezidenta-54758.html Posted by: Arbat | Jun 25 2015 15:17 utc | 71 Arbat —
Novoe Vremya continues:
He seems to be suggesting papering over these irregularities by changing the Constitution, perhaps retroactively. Rather like telling a lie, and then telling another one to cover up the first one. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 26 2015 3:55 utc | 72 further to 72 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 26 2015 12:01 utc | 73 @63
Posted by: jfl | Jun 26 2015 12:13 utc | 74 And again to 72 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 26 2015 12:28 utc | 75 Suicide bomber attack on mosque in Kuwayt. And the government of Kuwayt is NOT “Happy”. Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 26 2015 13:39 utc | 76 RM@75 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jun 26 2015 14:38 utc | 77 Wayout at 77 —
If I could paraphrase Willy2 at 76, no wonder Poroshenko is more than a bit worried about being pushed aside. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 27 2015 0:29 utc | 78 @78 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jun 27 2015 1:29 utc | 79 Wayout at 78 —
The item provides a link to the OSCE report, for the curious. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 27 2015 13:24 utc | 80 Freedom Flotilla Detained by Israel on International Waters
Piracy. A-OK … if you’re Israel.
The fence will be in PALESTINE! On the WEST BANK of the Jordan river. It is now referred to as ISRAEL. Posted by: jfl | Jun 30 2015 5:06 utc | 81 “Foreign direct investment in Israel dropped by 50% in 2014 and expert says it’s due to the Gaza war and BDS” Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 30 2015 12:40 utc | 82 |
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