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June 12, 2015
Open Thread 2015-25

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Greece: The return of ERT and its role to the class war

Posted by: nmb | Jun 12 2015 17:47 utc | 1

If looks could kill: Pelousy would be a heap of ash and melted plastic
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-12/house-kills-obamas-tpp-bill-after-pelosi-led-democrat-rebellion?page=1

Posted by: Anunnaki | Jun 12 2015 18:57 utc | 2

Happy Loving Day!

Posted by: Maracatu | Jun 12 2015 19:05 utc | 3

“Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has thanked the West for the sanctions it has imposed on the country, saying the bans have encouraged Moscow to improve ties with its Asian partners”. http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/06/12/415487/Russia-West-sanction-Ukraine The Europeans are shooting themselves in both feet. With Putin’s popularity ratings in Russia at an all time high, it is inconceivable that Putin will capitulate to Western diktats. I suspect the Russians would eat grass rather than do so. I encourage Putin to play hardball with the West, its the only language they understand.

Posted by: harry law | Jun 12 2015 20:45 utc | 4

Obama’s Fast Track defeat in the House is a huge loss. A lot of the messaging about Fast Track’s “inevitable” passage is similar to what is being said about re-authorization of the EU sanctions on Russia.
Obama was abandoned by his party because Democrats realized that they were looking at near-permanent rump status in Congress if they went along with him. It helped that Wikileaks published the TPP annex on pharmaceuticals recently which proved that Big Pharma plans to attack governments’ ability to control drug prices.
If the feckless Democrats can dump the featherweight Obama, there is hope yet for Europe.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jun 12 2015 21:13 utc | 5

Stop Fast Track on TPP! See Actions to Take Here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMgVFeRplGY&list=PLfrlsC1yJ2dRDL4JOQnkqMojVzAKk-HTD

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jun 12 2015 21:52 utc | 6

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Posted by: Rackstraw | Jun 13 2015 0:37 utc | 8

Re: the TPP
Lambert Strether at the Naked Capitalism blog is doing some excellent work in opposition to the treaty.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/06/200pm-water-cooler-61215.html
Keep in mind–this failure to pass the bill today is not a permanent defeat for the treaty. It will resurface in the Senate which will try to pass a Trade Assistance Act more palatable to congressional democrats. Whether that will succeed I have no idea, but they will certainly try to resurrect the TPP.

Posted by: sleepy | Jun 13 2015 0:37 utc | 9

Mike @5: “Obama’s Fast Track defeat in the House is a huge loss.”
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Fast-track was passed.
TAA, Trade Adjustment Assistance, was defeated. Then Kevin McCarthy pushed for a vote on fast-track w/out TAA and that passed 219-211. The Senate and House will now try and put their bills together.
TAA would have provided government aid to Americans who lose their jobs because of the trade agreements. You call shit-caning that a victory?
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/12/obama-trade-deals-congress-trans-pacific-partnership

Posted by: Denis | Jun 13 2015 2:25 utc | 10

sleepy @ 9: “but they will certainly try to resurrect the TPP.”
The wheels are already turning.

Posted by: ben | Jun 13 2015 3:57 utc | 11

Denis at 10 —
TAA was a sop and fig-leaf, offered as a bribe. Organized labor has been against Fast Track. Obama the candidate said he favored card-check organizing. As President, he did squat. That would have done far more for working Americans than any trade treaty, and labor has not forgotten that they got taken.
That pro-labor Democrats and Republicans (there are a few red constituencies in nearby Eastern Penna. with substantial skilled trades support, from defense and other contractors) smacked it down speaks well of them.
As you and Naked Capitalism’s coverage suggests, that the House and Senate version do not coincide means that they will have to reconcile the versions. Who gets put on the joint committee charged with the task will say much. They may or may not move it along, and it might again go down to defeat. That Our Nobel Laureate took a heavy hit on one of the few items he actually tried to push through (almost always the bad stuff, of course) may well embolden future opposition.
Or prompt the tailoring of a more stylish and acceptable fig leaf, like the one just crafted to cover surveillance naughty-bits.
The various yay votes on it might be pre-campaign/voter positioning, I was for it before I was against it. Vote for me, I was for or against, but still pay me, I was against or for.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 13 2015 4:06 utc | 12

Denis @ 10: Thanks for the link. You’re right, this is NO victory, it’s Kabuki.

Posted by: ben | Jun 13 2015 4:07 utc | 13

There’s big stuff happening within the SCO, all of it good news for a post-US-and-international-finance-dominated world. Getting India on board would be huge, and it is good to have M K Bhadrakumar watching that country from a nationalist and anti-neo-liberal perspective. His sense, I think, is that Modi is not the man and now is not the time for deep cooperation move between India and China/Russia. Soon, though, imho, the momentum toward development (i.e., Russia’s Eurasia and China’s new Silk Road initiatives) and freedom from Western/US/IMF hegemony has an inevitability to it. Modi wrote recently on some of Putin’s overarching plans/ideas after a preliminary SCO meeting last week, and added his own (Bhadrakumar’s) ideas about what direction India should go:

If it indeed subscribes to a multipolar world order and a democratization of the international system, strict adherence to international law and the primacy of national sovereignty and territorial integrity of nation states and the centrality of the UN Charter, India has no good reason to be cozying up to the U.S. and to speak of shared “values”, which is a thinly-disguised metaphor [for] the U.S. containment strategies against Russia and China.
But on the other hand, if the rise of China is such a 24×7 real time obsession with Prime Minister Narendra Modi [and] the foreign policies of his government, which is what the fellow travelers and self-appointed propagandists of the Indian establishment claim, and, indeed, if the Obama-Modi Vision document (January 2015) provides the beacon light of its “Act East” policies in the vast space stretching from Australia to Mongolia, then India will find itself to be the odd man within the SCO tent.
It is a choice the Modi government has to make and the time for it is approaching when the [July 9-10] Ufa summit invites India to step into the SCO tent. …
Paradoxically, Pakistan faces no such contradictions, as it gracefully walks into the SCO tent. The SCO’s robust endorsement of China’s Belt and Road Initiatives amounts to a vehement regional support for the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (which India resents.)
Pakistan can look forward to optimally exploiting its geographical location to become a vital regional hub in the economic development of Central Asia. …
Of course, in the emergent scenario, SCO membership presents to India a fresh opportunity to constructively engage with China’s Belt and Road as well.

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 13 2015 5:29 utc | 14

rufus magister @12

That pro-labor Democrats and Republicans (there are a few red constituencies in nearby Eastern Penna. with substantial skilled trades support, from defense and other contractors) smacked it down speaks well of them.

No, sadly. It speaks to the power of the far right ideology that any ‘welfare’ for workers displaced by TPP is evil. Those Republican extremists allied with labor Democrats to defeat the provision.

The federation of labor associations, the AFL-CIO, was actively lobbying against assistance to displaced workers and joined by conservative groups like the Club for Growth in the effort, which opposes TAA as a “wasteful welfare program”.
Some Democrats justified their opposition to TAA by raging against the TPP, with Brad Sherman of California saying: “Every lobbyist here in Washington whose job it is to increase profits is for this.”
In contrast, others, like Gregory Meeks of New York, … said: “Labor is killing a bill to help workers who are displaced. It doesn’t make sense. It’s not logical.”

Not that I’m up in arms about allying with the far right if it led somewhere anti-neoliberal or pro-privacy … It’s just that this too little too late AFL-CIO strategy, against a man they slavishly supported in 2008 and 2012, and against a party high command that they will slavishly support in next year’s Presidential election … is pretty f##kin weak.

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 13 2015 5:43 utc | 15

This speaks for it self:
‘Are you crazy?’ People in Moscow widely oppose fake petition to nuke America (VIDEO) — RT News

While a majority of Americans asked by a US journalist to support President Obama’s “plan” to nuke Russia signed a fake petition to do so, RT decided to conduct its own poll on the streets of Moscow. Most people said no to striking America.

Calling the plan “crazy,” Russians refused to leave their signatures under a fake “petition” to send missiles to America.

Posted by: Fran | Jun 13 2015 5:44 utc | 16

Another good Bhadrakumar piece, Hello G7, This is China calling, on the direction of the G7 in general, after it did nothing about something the US defense secretary has been making into a big deal, its island ‘construction’ the South China Sea:

On the other hand, G7 is increasingly becoming an ineffectual angel beating its wings in the void in vain, lacking the gravitas of the Cold War era, once the locus of growth in the world economy began shifting to Asia and the emergent multipolarity threw up new power centres. …
Enter China. … A fascinating commentary in the Xinhua argues persuasively that China and the G7 can indeed get along like a house on fire. The commentary pleads that China’s close relations with Russia should be viewed in proper perspective as merely “aimed at optimizing their own interests rather than to confront the interests of the West.” …
Trust China’s diplomatic ingenuity to be already anticipating that its rotating chairmanship of the G20 in the year ahead could provide a splendid opportunity to harmonize with the G7.

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 13 2015 6:03 utc | 17

meanwhile,
the elephant has planted three legs in the zwo camp…
http://www.voanews.com/content/us-india-sign-defense-pact-countering-chinese-influence/2808540.html

Posted by: denk | Jun 13 2015 6:41 utc | 18

is *god* mad with malaysia ?
prologue
murcunt war sec william cohen, 1997
* There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that’s why this is so important. *
[translation -]
u can bet the unitedsnake had ethno specific bio weapons and eco engineering weapons way back in 1997 !!!
ffw…..
12-6-15
breaking news,
Malaysia Airlines’ woes continue: MH148 makes emergency landing in Melbourne
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/malaysia-airlines-woes-continue-mh148-makes-emergency-landing-in-melbourne/20150612.htm
a timeline……………..
AUGUST, 1997
on 2008 economic meltdown in asia,
Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad named the culprit, George Soros,
September 22, 1997
Soros Calls Mahathir A ‘Menace’ To Malaysia
April 6, 2004
Malaysia puts US in its place over offer to police busy sea lane
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/05/1081017106683.html?from=storyrhs
2004
Chilly response to U.S. plan to deploy forces in the Strait of Malacca
http://www.iags.org/n0524042.htm
2005
Malaysia and Indonesia immediately and vehemently rejected the murkkan offer,
http://web.archive.org/web/20070208124601/http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=7632
in case anyone wonders why’ the murkkans were in such an unseemly haste to *provide security* in the malaysia straits , which is an oil transit chokepoint for china, here’s an insight from a redneck,
*malacca straits is where we get the chinese by their balls !*
Friday 27 May 2005 02.13 BST
mahathir, Father’ of Malaysia savages Bush and Blair
Friday 9 September 2005 16.19 BST
Former Malaysian PM calls Britain ‘state terrorist’
November 25, 2011
Bush, Blair Found Guilty of War Crimes in a tribunal, kl
December 27, 2012
US Attempting “Regime Change” in Malaysia
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-attempting-regime-change-in-malaysia-fact-or-fiction/5316984
May 09, 2013
Malaysia: Failure of U.S. to Subvert the Elections and Install a “Proxy Regime
http://www.globalresearch.ca/malaysia-failure-of-u-s-to-subvert-the-elections-and-install-a-proxy-regime/5334439
xi jing ping meeting mahathir
http://schillerinstitute.org/economy/phys_econ/2015/18-29_EIR12-web-images/F2-mahathir_xi_2013_opt.jpeg
oct 13
October 4, 2013 2:23 AM
China elevates Malaysia ties, aims to triple trade by 2017
Updated 4 Oct 2013, 10:36pm
Xi Jingping has “the floor to himself” as Obama cancels Asia tour
8 March 2014
mh370 *disappeared* in thin air, 227 passengers missing,
90% were chinese citizens.
malaysia’s seemingly tardy handling of the disaster led to a bitter recriminations bet china and malaysia,
chinese families,.
*malaysians are ‘executioners’ , ‘liars’ [5]
MALAYSIANS retort…[6]
*Countries whom we call friends must now do more to prove their friendship
*The search for this missing plane has shown them the limits of their technology, their muscle. It puts China in its place,.
It will take them some time before they get the same kind of respect as America, England or Australia would get [sic, the *respectable* 5 eyes !]
*China demanding the full truth and complete transparency about the plane crash?
How about they come clean about Tiananmen Square first?
[such is the power of western propaganda, once they do a hatchet job on u, it sticks for life !]
western msm had a field day gloating on the spectacle of beijing vs malaysia.
pm najib was not amused ….
especially when the perishment of 200+ chinese citizens was followed by several cross border kidnappings of chinese nationals by muslim jihadists from ph.
surprise, surprise,
the abu sayyaf outfit who claimed responsibility was widely known as cia proxy merc in ph.
http://socialistworker.org/2002-1/388/388_04_Philipinnes.shtml
najib
*The late-night abduction at a Sabah resort yesterday could be an attempt to further drive Malaysia and China apart,
the abduction of two women, including a Chinese national, came as warm relations between China and Malaysia cooled over a missing Malaysian jet.
“This must be avoided. There may be those who are attempting to drive a wedge between us and China. They may be trying to take advantage of the situation

for the uninitiated, here’s a clue to who’s the agent provocateur najib had in mind,
*Located on the geostrategic Malacca Strait, Malaysia is a predominantly Muslim oil-producing nation with a “Look East” policy allying itself with Japan and China.
Last year the Malaysian and Chinese governments established an economic alliance, which includes Asian access to world oil reserves. In the eyes of Washington and its allies, these are sufficient grounds to treat Kuala Lumpur as an adversary.
Even though the Malaysian police force has cooperated closely with the US Embassy in the war on terror, which led to arrests of top-ranking Al Qaeda-linked terrorists, that is not good enough. The late Moammar Gaddhafi of Libya and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad also aided Washington in post-911 anti-terrorism, and look where it got them. It is not enough to be a friend of America.
For a leader to survive, he must be a groveling yes-man, a political slave – and never mind America’s long-forgotten principles of sovereignty or self-determination.
Warnings from Washington were repeatedly given to Malaysia over the past few years. In late August 2013, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel flew to Kuala Lumpur last year to pressure the Defence Ministry to cooperated with the strategic pivot through joint naval-and-air exercises directed against Chinese forces in the Malaysian-claimed islets in the Spratley group*
http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html
but malaysia stayed defiant,
17 July 2014
less than six mths later came another air disaster, mh17,
the unitedsnake lost no time in blaming russia for the tragedy,
without producing a single shred of credible evidence as ususal.
one stone killing two birds ?
in quick succession
28 December 2014
another malaysian airline , airasia suffered its first fatal *accident* in its 18
yr history.
Passengers: 155
Crew: 7
and,
15 December 2014 – 3 January 2015.
The 2014–15 Malaysia floods hit Malaysia from 15 December 2014 – 3 January 2015. More than 200,000 people affected while 21 killed on the floods.
April 04 2015 11:10 AM EDT
Malaysia Helicopter Crash: Six, Including Former Ambassador To US, Among Dead
A witness to the crash claimed to see the helicopter “explode” while in the air in rainy conditions, according to the Star Online in Malaysia, according to Astro Awani in Malaysia.
still, malaysia opted out of the snake’s pit…..
Apr 23, 2015
Malaysia is staying out of the South China Sea dispute
https://johnib.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/malaysia-is-staying-out-of-the-south-china-sea-dispute/
is there no end to malaysia’s *bad luck*…?
6-6-15
a ritcher scale 7 quake hit malaysia’s sabah province,
destructive earthquakes in easternmost Malaysia are rare,
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/singapore/environment/story/earthquake-caused-sudden-slippage-along-10km-fault-south-mount-kina
malaysia’s buildings are generally not built to specifically handle earthquakes as there are no “significant” or “strong” earthquakes here, unlike in regional neighbours Japan, Philippines or Indonesia, …..
Major earthquakes are rare in Malaysia, which lies just outside the Ring of Fire, the belt of seismic activity running around the Pacific basin.
June 8, 2015
Malaysia Toughens Stance With Beijing Over South China Sea
Malaysia said Monday it will protest what it called the intrusion of a Chinese Coast Guard ship into its waters north of Borneo, an unusually assertive step by the country amid tensions in the South China Sea.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/malaysia-toughens-stance-with-beijing-over-south-china-sea-1433764608
why this abrupt about turn ?
barely six mths back when questioned on chinese activities in the vicinity,
the defence chief replied
+we aint worried about the chinese, they can come here to visit as much as they like + !
have the malaysians finally *seen the light*,
is malaysia finally throwing in the tower ?
……like myanmar etc, ?
*************************************
Myanmar learns the lesson of Libya
Strike Myanmar from the regime change list. Only two years ago, the resource-rich country located between India and China was practicing the kind of economic nationalism that got Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi deep into trouble with the US State Department and oil company giants. Now, Washington has suspended its sanctions on Myanmar and nominated its first ambassador to the country in 22 years.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article174240.html
Mar 14, 2015 –
China sent fighter jets to patrol its border with Myanmar after a bomb dropped by a Myanmar warplane killed four Chinese
17-3-15
China-Burma tensions rise after bomb kills Chinese citizens
The Taiwan-based WantChinaTimes reported that a high-level US diplomatic and military delegation, including Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence David Helvey and US Pacific Command deputy commander Lieutenant General Anthony Crutchfield, visited Burma from January 11 to 15
[pacom spells t-r-o-u-b-l-e !]
the Burmese military is provocatively continuing its operations close to the Chinese border, and doing so with Washington’s tacit support.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/03/17/burm-m17.html
Jun 1, 2015
China is set to conduct military drills near the border with neighboring Myanmar.
The upcoming maneuvers come amid recent tensions between China and Myanmar.
Beijing said last month that five people were injured after two explosive devices reportedly from Myanmar hit Chinese territory.
In March, China summoned the Myanmar ambassador to Beijing after a warplane belonging to the Myanmar military killed four people in China’s southwestern border area.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/06/01/413785/China-military-drills-Myanmar
p.s.
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence David Helvey doing myanmar ?
wonder if any relation with col robert helvey the myamnar specialist,
Who is Col. Robert Helvey?
http://web.archive.org/web/20080624200802/http://www.iefd.org/articles/ned_an_update.php

Posted by: denk | Jun 13 2015 7:07 utc | 19

who’s col robert helvey ?
http://tinyurl.com/q32w97f

Posted by: denk | Jun 13 2015 7:30 utc | 20

#20 Err, are you trying to make a point? What might that be?

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 13 2015 8:23 utc | 21

fairleft at 15 —
I was actually referring to a couple of So. Jersey (not Pa.) Congressmen (e.g,, Frank LoBiondo) who have trade union support that our local MSM hard copy reported on yesterday. I would agree on the motivation of most of the Rethuglicans.
Today’s MSM hard copy says that the bills are linked, it’s not a matter of reconciling versions. It notes that Pelousi is suggesting that an infrastructure bill will be her price.
Better late than never on opposing Obama. They have gone after a number of Representatives across the nation who need labor support (less campaign cash than canvassers, etc.) and don’t seem inclined to back down. If such efforts are sustained, they could alter the political dynamic. All the more so with Warren and Sanders on the scene (yes, I know, Bernie is apparently a little weak on foreign policy).
“Not building a wall, but making a brick.” Let’s not get the cart in front the donkey.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 13 2015 13:11 utc | 22

fairleft @15
If the TAA would have passed, the TPP fast track ill would have been on Obama’s desk and singed ito law last night. Both bills had to pass in order for fast track to become law.
As has been said numerous times, the vote against the TAA was a vote supported by labor and a vote against the TPP fastrack authority.
It should also e noted that the TAA was a republican bill to be funded by a $700 million dollar cut to medicare.
The only reason for the TAA was to offset some of the damage caused by the TPP. With no TPP, no need for a TAA. You argue as if you would prefer the TPP as long as its damages are mitigated by the TAA, rather than no TPP at all. I prefer no TPP. Beyond that, most worker retraining bills do little to address the damage.
Ad yes, I understand that this victory may well be ephemeral kabuki with the elite concocting still more ways to drag the TPP across the finish line. But the odds agaist TPP are greater today than they were a day ago, and that’s good.

Posted by: sleepy | Jun 13 2015 14:42 utc | 23

ToivoS 21
its all about connecting the dots,
air disasters, quakes, ebola, global warming, climate change….
http://www.sott.net/article/202731-Connecting-the-Dots-Mass-murder-in-Haiti-plane-madness-in-the-skies

Posted by: denk | Jun 13 2015 14:49 utc | 24

the perspective at MoA is one I continue to value, and it’s one I used to be able to share at the local blog I contributed to, but I’ve apparently pissed of the original founder of the blog, and he’s locked me out. you can read his justification for this move here

Posted by: lizard | Jun 13 2015 14:51 utc | 25

@25 lizard… quick scan of the post… the site seems very american centric.. moa is obviously broader in scope.. i’m sure you can find another american centric site to share your thoughts, if that is indeed what you are looking for..
fairleft. thanks for the posts on india related matters..

Posted by: james | Jun 13 2015 16:59 utc | 26

@lizard – sorry to hear that – sounds like there’s an opportunity though to pull your readers elsewhere and leave that guy to whatever political campaigning agenda brought him back

Posted by: b real | Jun 13 2015 17:00 utc | 27

thanks b real, I’m not sure what I’m going to do. I find it absurd that some of the criticism heaped on me is my focus on geopolitics, like some blogger from Montana can’t have an opinion on US foreign policy and the insane propaganda we get fed. people in the states seem to have a very difficult time making the connection between our rampant militarism and the worsening domestic conditions we see. as Vonnegut said, and so it goes…

Posted by: lizard | Jun 13 2015 20:07 utc | 28

if denk 19 were edited, we would understand this thread much better.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jun 13 2015 21:17 utc | 29

16
For generations on end ‘America the Beautiful’ was the USA national anthem, speaking of G-d, grace and brotherhood, and bountiful sea to shining sea freedom for all.
Then in the prelude and runup to WW1 propaganda, Woodrow Wilson’s wife declared that our anthem should be some obscure peon to the US Civil War, our greatest shame, put to music of a popular British drinking song of the era!
Today the American (USAian) anthem speaks only of bmobs and flags, bullets, banners and triumphant exceptionalism, …as USA enters the -$20,000,000,000,000 national (usurious and odious synthetic) ‘debt’ (sic) servitude era under this ‘Battle Hymn of the Republic’, a drinking song abomination from the Pentagonal Church, now the largest corporation on the planet, …and one devoted solely to Death.

Posted by: Chipnik | Jun 13 2015 23:02 utc | 30

Chipnik @30, some minor corrections to your post:
I too love “America the Beautiful”, but it hasn’t been around as long as “The Star Spangled Banner”, which latter was actually given its official status by one Herbert Hoover. Until he did so, there was no official national anthem.However, it had been around considerably longer than the song we both admire, having been written during the war of 1812. There was a later appended verse written during the Civil war – You will find it at wikipedia – by Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. I found this at wikipedia also:
“Humorist Richard Armour referred to the song’s difficulty in his book It All Started With Columbus.
In an attempt to take Baltimore, the British attacked Fort McHenry, which protected the harbor. Bombs were soon bursting in air, rockets were glaring, and all in all it was a moment of great historical interest. During the bombardment, a young lawyer named Francis Off Key [sic] wrote “The Star-Spangled Banner”, and when, by the dawn’s early light, the British heard it sung, they fled in terror.
—Richard Armour”
All of which I hope doesn’t offend anyone too much.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 13 2015 23:44 utc | 31

Chipnik @30
The Star Spangled Banner was written in response to the British shelling of Ft. McHenry in Baltimore during the war of 1812, not the civil war.

Posted by: sleepy | Jun 13 2015 23:47 utc | 32

@sleepy – Hear hear !!

Posted by: herbivore | Jun 14 2015 0:27 utc | 33

lizard at 28 — Slaughterhouse Five is good, I think Breakfast of Champions is his best. Though I don’t he wrote a really good book after it, though he continued to play the character of the author, “Kurt Vonnegut,” very well. So it goes.
One reason I favor it is this memorable quote:

There were one quadrillion nations in the Universe, but the nation Dwayne Hoover and Kilgore Trout belonged to was the only one with a national anthem which was gibberish sprinkled with question marks.

And this quite naturally prompts me to say —
to juliana, sleepy, and herbivore 31-33 —
You mistake Bhagavan Chipnik’s posts for mere analysis. Free-form evocations of a whimsical mood, they are zen koans, not humble statements of fact or paltry syllogisms. Sometimes insightful or amusing. Occasionally good for an interesting musical link, if memory serves. I think he knows the chronology; he just had a few patriotic favorites on “shuffle” there at 30.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 14 2015 2:48 utc | 34

34
SOW RM, I received a surprise darshan this morning from a high level guru I’ve not seen in many decades.
Their interest was in checking on my meditation practice, of course I had to participate over the phone,
but then after the zen koans and mundacities of life sound-check, a surprise glimpse behind the curtain.
A wave of collective legal actions are being prepared against USG for breach of Federal employee/retiree
database, that has also frozen the passport/visa program for resident aliens. Apparently ‘one year of free
credit monitoring’ is not enough for those who lost all of their PII, everything, just as one year ago,
all Mil.Gov contractors lost their PII to a ‘hack’, including their direct-deposit business bank codes.
Cui bono? Mil.Gov benefits more than anyone from these ‘hacks’. Full Spectrum Dominance based on Fear.
Of course, it was either Iranians, Chinese or Rushkies. Couldn’t possible be the Izzies, oh, no, no, no.
A likely wave of early fraudulent W1040-2015 filings next year will loot billions of tax returns owed
from their rightful filers. How fortunate for Mil.Gov! They report losses, even if they were the perps.
In other words, if your W1040 refund gets looted by a pre-emptive early filing, US Sam is off the hook.
They can claim ‘hackers’, and keep $10Bs in refunds for overseas military adventurism and NSA spying.
In fact, Mil.Gov can claim ALL of their legacy retirement pension fund payouts were ‘lost to hackers’.
Better, they can take access to bank accounts, then hijack them for ransom, and pilfer even more loot.
Oh say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light, the most deadbeat-broke nation in the history of mankind
is now the most insecure hacked bag-of-bones.

Posted by: Chipnik | Jun 14 2015 3:48 utc | 35

Laguerre 29
u suggesting my post to be deleted ?

Posted by: denk | Jun 14 2015 3:54 utc | 36

Bhagavan, truly you were rejuvenated by the summons to receive the Sacrament of the Receiver. Peace be with you, and with your Master of Telephony, may the almighty bless thee both.
The rest of you Barflies, drink up, you’re running dry. Here Comes the Flood, so there’s plenty to go ’round. Interesting staging and filming.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 14 2015 4:24 utc | 37

sleepy @23: There’s no reason to disparage me. We disagree. The TPP has the votes and it did pass in the House, but its final passage has been delayed so some ‘libruhl’ provision can be axed. That doesn’t sound like a great victory.
In fact it sounds like the ‘TPP Blocked in the Senate!!’ story of a couple weeks ago. Our great liberal heroes delayed the bill one day and then it was passed. But they’ll get to go to voters and bamboozle them with tales of how they ‘fought the good fight’ against impossible odds, yada yada, while taking a mountain of pro-TPP corporate bucks to play their fake opposition games.

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 14 2015 5:31 utc | 38

Russia Insider bird-dogged this account of recent activity on the Facebook of a senior advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Anton Gerashchenko. He comments on the recent action by the U.S. House to exclude the fascist “Azov” Battalion from aid and limit overall training and assistance. It provides a link to the original at Korrespondent.net.
He describes Conyer’s statement as “‘simply a balm on the wounds of Putin’s propagandists have received lately a lot of negative emotions from the unanimous support of Ukraine at the Summit of the G7, in the European Parliament, the Council of Europe. Were I the head of US intelligence, I would be concerned with the causes of such statements by the distinguished American Congressman,’ said the Adviser to the head of the Interior Ministry.”
He is even less flattering about Pavel Gubarev, the original “Peoples’ Govenor” of Donetsk, now politically sidelined.

He suggested that after meeting with separatist commanders, Conyers will reconsider their views on delivery of arms to the Ukraine.
“I think that after meeting with the adepts of the Russian world-class addict Gubarev, he will change his attitude to the question of arms transfers to Ukraine and stop hanging propaganda labels on volunteer battalions,” says the counsellor to Avakov.

I suppose Gerashenko is just high on life. Looks to be a little to harsh of a buzz.
Stoli’s all around, Barflies! To Life!

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 14 2015 5:50 utc | 39

Here’s some bullshit:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article1568673.ece
British spies betrayed to Russians and Chinese
Tom Harper, Richard Kerbaj and Tim Shipman Published: 14 June 2015
RUSSIA and China have cracked the top-secret cache of files stolen by the fugitive US whistleblower Edward Snowden, forcing MI6 to pull agents out of live operations in hostile countries, according to senior officials in Downing Street, the Home Office and the security services.
Western intelligence agencies say they have been forced into the rescue operations after Moscow gained access to more than 1m classified files held by the former American security contractor, who fled to seek protection from Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, after mounting one of the largest leaks in US history.
Senior government sources confirmed that China had also cracked the encrypted documents, which contain details of secret intelligence techniques and information that could allow British and American spies to be identified.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 14 2015 6:37 utc | 40

#35
unfortunate state of events if true

Posted by: mcohen | Jun 14 2015 7:12 utc | 41

36

u suggesting my post to be deleted ?

No, edited. You would think that regulars would know by now how to arrange links.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jun 14 2015 11:33 utc | 43

re 40

British spies betrayed to Russians and Chinese

Yeah, a transparent operation by the propaganda services. That one story has led to repetitions and quotes on every British media source this morning, with a massive multiplier effect. The curious thing is that in the detail of the article nothing is really said apart from

Posted by: Laguerre | Jun 14 2015 11:38 utc | 44

apart from a quote from an anonymous government source giving no details. A classic government attempt to discredit Snowden.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jun 14 2015 11:40 utc | 45

Five Reasons the MI6 Story is a Lie
Good take-down.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jun 14 2015 11:44 utc | 46

denk at 19 —
If I may, my skills with text are fairly good.
Your problem is much bigger – too much information, too little structure. You need to make it clearer for the reader what you’re trying to say. I started to look over 19, I’m sure quite interesting stuff is happening in Southeast Asia as China starts to feel her oats as a world power.
But you’ve not separated the wheat from the chaff — go with the best items, if you do want to include the other bits, at the bottom of the relevant sect., “See more here, here… and also, here.” Or if you feel a little creative, edit the title or categorize with a few words.
You should use the ‘a href’ formatting conveniently detailed above the text box. That you gotta worry about getting it right is an incentive towards selectivity — it boring typing that crap out, you gotta watch your work and test it, so you don’t look really klutzy. I speak of course from personal experience.
I am all about the data, so I was impressed, on one level. So like the Wobblies used to say, “Don’t Mourn, Organize.” Pick five, say, and what do they tell us?

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 14 2015 12:25 utc | 47

A classic government attempt to discredit Snowden.

Yes, and why UK? The story wasn’t in the Times or WaPo. But it was all of BBC’s sites, including their radio stations.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 14 2015 15:42 utc | 48

After thinking about it a minute, I found it Fox, of course:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/06/14/british-spies-reportedly-moved-from-russia-china-after-secret-files-cracked/?intcmp=latestnews

Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 14 2015 16:00 utc | 49

rufus magister @ 34
Thanks for setting us straight on ‘free form evocations of a whimsical mood’.
Not correct to call that a zen koan, however, much as I appreciate your directive to study the latter.
Though perhaps the inclusion of our responses along with yours might almost qualify?
(I feel somewhat humbly enlightened, anyway.)

Posted by: juliania | Jun 14 2015 18:51 utc | 50

Juliana at 50 — Sometimes it’s the discussion that’s important, less so than precisely what is said.
I wasn’t so much recommending Buddhism as riffing on Chipnik’s Eastern-mysticism tinged postings. I do have a genuine appreciation for them.
You’ll note my benediction evokes the Roman Missal. I would actually recommend Kautsky’s Communism in Central Europe in the Time of the Reformation or the work of Hill and others on the Levellers. And a little Nietzsche — its all about the transvaluation of values.
I for my part wrapped a tender mini-cutlet of Western analysis in a panko-encrusted evocation of a state of mind myself. Like I said, Chipnik cued up the patriotic favorites, we just grooved to the tunes. Good clean, All-American Graffiti fun, golden age of dageurreotype style.
Zen koans all around! Horseplay will continue until all have obtained True Enlightement!
All are invited to the Sacrament of the Wholly Screen, in Both Kinds, PC Streaming and/or Smart-Phone Mobile! Deacons will be on hand to collect your generous tithes, brethren. Let me assure you they will all be tax deductible soon….
Don’t forget to Clap for the Wolfman! You gonna dig him ’til the day you die. Well, us Boomers anyway.
“You know, this reminds me very little of the time my guru sent me to clean up the karma in Artful Dodge City….”

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 15 2015 1:54 utc | 51

and ps — Not very mindful, I somehow only just now caught “humbly enlightened.” Very kind, another reason for me to try to maintain my immense humility. Quite proud of doing so well at it, actually.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 15 2015 2:07 utc | 52

rm 47
the structure is what a timeline should be, straight forward,
with hints and comments whenever necessary.
i used href a lot before, its just personal preference.
so far none had connected the dots.
viz,
mh370 was fukus state terrorism.
quakes in malaysia, haiti and the tsunami in 2005 were most likely eco terrorism.
like i said many times before, by now every zwo watcher ought to be able to decipher a fukus bs,
when murcunt war sec cohen accused *some countries * of biowarfare and eco
terrorism way back in 1997, u bet the snake was already at the cutting edge of it.
likewise,
how do i know mi6 is bushitting on *chinese russian hacking on the snowden files* now ?
[assange, snowden would never tell u this….]
the short ans
zwo watch rule 1
never trust the snake,
zwo rule 2
robber crying out robbery !
the long ans..
***************************************************
when it boils down to uncle sham’s words against china’s, i believe the chinese,
its a no brainer.
some background info for the uninitiated
*******************************************
uncle sham the serial liar,
sinking of the maine
gulf of tonkin
iraq wmd,
syria chemical weapon,
yugo genocide,
bosnia gulag,
libya genocide,
tip of an iceberg,
some of the biggest hoax of the century targets china,
1962 indo china war,
mao murdered xxx millions,
tam *massacre*
genocide in tibet,
2008 *brutal crackdown* on peacful tibetan protestors
2009 *brutal crackdown* on peacful uighurs protestors,
*******************************************
dont get me wrong, i’d be damned if the chinese dont have a cyber warfare outfit
over there…..just like everbody else. !
im also sure if given half the chance the chinese’d like to have a peek on murkka’s high tech, especially weapon secrets.
but the murcunt story , like all their previous bs, stinks to sky high.
so we are told the chinese have been able to break into the network of the worlds most advanced weapon developer martin lockheed and pentagon, siphon off their ultra secret data at will, whenever they feel like it.
not only that, the nefarious chinese have been *probing the network of murkka’s water and power grid with malicious intention* !!
first off,
security 101 says that server housing important stuff should be isolated from the net, period.
secondly ip address alone wouldnt stand up in court as evidence coz it could be faked or redirected.
thirdly i’d have thought if these hackers are good enough to hack into the like of lockheed martin/pentagon they’d be smart enough to cover their ass, instead of leaving behind a trial leading right back to their base ?
then if lockheed martin/pentagoon is such easy picking, i bet the indians, russians, french , israelis etc would be scrambling to have their share too ?
perhaps the chinese are sloppy and got caught red handed ?
common sense would says if a state hacker outfit got busted, the op would be called off immediately !
unless that govn for some reason wanna carry on to taunch the oh so defenceless murkkan mic ?
here’s the catch, such *in your face* hubris has never been the chinese m.o.,no way.
as if thats isnt enough the chinese are supposed to be messing with the electrica/water grid ?
thats an act of war, the pentagon made it clear that the response to such attack would be *a missile down their chute* !
such offensive tactics is the very antithesis to chinese military doctrine , which has been defensive centred since the day of the great wall !
during the run up to the latest asean summit, the murkkans dropped another *bomshell* via cia contractor *fireeye*,
omg, those evil chinese have been hacking into india, sk, nepal, plus all asean countries data base. ! [sic]
how conveeenient !
at a time when uncle sham is actively bribing india into its anti chinese bandwagon, leaning heavily on a reluctant sk to take in the thaad abm which would surely piss off the chinese big time , goading the asean countries to form a united front against china in the scs dispute. !
the irony is that none of these countries seem to take it seriously, certainly none had protested to china,
i guess this murkkan trick is getting too transparent and threadbare people are starting to see right thru the bs !
bottom line,
it’d take a helluva more than a statement from the state dept, pentagon, aka serial lying scumbags, or their sidekicks in london to convince me the chinese govn, uncle sham’s designated enemy since 1949, is guilty as charged,.
the murkkans m.o. is *guilty until proven innocent*
just witness their *extra judicial executions* on *terrarists suspects*.
in the civilised world, we believe in *innocent until proven guilty*.
zwo watch rule 1
*everytime the snake open its mouth,just fuck it*

Posted by: denk | Jun 15 2015 6:53 utc | 53

53
If USAricans aren’t shekhinah’d by now with the vision of Great Shaytan parading around in a powder-blue pants suit, cackling, ‘We came, we saw, he died,’ then USAricans are truly hopeless, and deserve all the depredations laid upon them by the Pentagonal Church CIA/State Wall Street globalist valkyries. No duality. Like watching a starving dog slowly dying in the hot sun, as millions of H-1B campesanos walk past without a second glance. The only record of this Death Culture will be preserved on solar-powered tablet LPDDR3 chips, slowly disintegrating into fractal starbursts of color, being shattered gorilla glass.

Posted by: Chipnik | Jun 15 2015 10:10 utc | 54

Over 500 inhabitants of Donetsk are marching today on the streets, protesting against the war. They are going towards the DNR administration buildings, in the first place calling the separatists administration to “stop firing Grad launchers from Oktyabrskiy Rynok residential area” which brings return fire, some shout “all you go f..k yourself!” and some call to “go for Kiev”.

Posted by: Shahtar | Jun 15 2015 10:50 utc | 55

#53 Denk
i scratched my head,i scratches my ass,i stroked my beard,i dropped a turd,and finally i saw the light
DENK=infomation clearing house
ItCH
2006
denk the dutchman
ek dink

Posted by: mcohen | Jun 15 2015 11:02 utc | 56

chipnik 54
god help the usa !
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/18/its-no-longer-god-bless-the-usa-its-god-help-the-usa/

Posted by: denk | Jun 15 2015 11:08 utc | 57

mcohen 56
hmmm, mcohen is an murcunt !

Posted by: denk | Jun 15 2015 11:13 utc | 58

denk #58
boetie boknaai

Posted by: mcohen | Jun 15 2015 12:07 utc | 59

#7 and #8
those beauties have reminded me of something i thought up
deep and dark and dangerous
the fappening
how was it that all those woman had porn pictures of themselves stored in one place
we have been told that there was a hack……but why were those porn pics of so many actresses all in one place
i thought about it and came to the conclusion that it was actually a catalog of actresses available to the rich and powerful
everybody is kung fu hacking

Posted by: mcohen | Jun 15 2015 12:16 utc | 60

As a luddite,I don’t do links,but there was an interesting article at Counterpunch about Fukushima and how it keeps spewing radioactivity,and the link to Chernobyl,and its dead zone.The most perilous event in modern history,and no one cares.
And Wapo tells US,our sniper rifles aint up to snuff,(out peoples lives)and are not as good as foreign weaponry.Where did it all go wrong?oy!
And the Ziomonsters prempt report on Gaza atrocities.We are innocent,its the Muzzies!What a world,what a wicked wicked world!

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 15 2015 16:39 utc | 61

Mitchell Prothero (McClatchy Newspapers):
– After the fall of Ramadi only the (former US) airbase Al Assad is held by the Iraqi government. If/when that base falls in the hands of ISIS then the entire of Western Iraq will be controlled by ISIS.
– The iraqi government has only 10.000 soldiers max. that are good fighters.
– For the time being, the priority of ISIS is Iraq, not Syria.
– Syria has been able to survive with the help of Iran & Hezbollah.
– With the oil price fallen so much, Iran & SAudi Arabia are not that flush with cash anymore. Iran also supports the iraqi government. Prothero thinks that Iran will reduce support for Syria because Iran isn’t able tp support both Syria & the iraqi government at the same time.
– The syrian government army has been weakened significantly in the civil war in the last 4 years. It’s doubtful that the syrian government can hold out for another one or 2 years.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 15 2015 17:43 utc | 62

If you haven’t already, or someone didn’t mention this above, go to the Saker and watch “Graham meets Texas” or look it up on youtube. You won’t see anything else more uplifting today, or for a week at least.

Posted by: ruralito | Jun 15 2015 20:13 utc | 63

I’ve posted this 1990 copy of Covert Information Action Bulletin. It has important background on CIA activities
in Eastern Europe at that time, including in the Ukraine. The Ukrainian Nationalist Organization is specifically pictured.
https://archive.org/details/CovertActionInformationBulletinNo35TheCIAInEasternEurope

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 15 2015 22:47 utc | 64

Here’s the full Table of Contents. It contains more info on US sponsored Nazi Reinhard Gehlen, who headed up the West German Intelligence Agency
(so much for “deNazification”…)
And the link again.
https://archive.org/details/CovertActionInformationBulletinNo35TheCIAInEasternEurope
Covert Action Information Bulletin #35
Friendly Enemies: The CIA in Eastern Europe
Cover Photo: Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev in Moscow, Sept. 17th, 1990
Back Cover Photo: Members of the Ukrainian Nationalist Organization
Table of Contents:
Editorial
Analysis: The Changes in Eastern Europe by Philip Agee, Ken Lawrence, and Melvin Beck
Reinhard Gehlen: The Secret Treaty of Fort Hunt by Carl Oglesby
NED Meddles in Lithuania by Philip Bonosky
The Destabilization of the Soviet Union by Sean Gervasi
Balkan Nationalists Peddling Fascism by Howard Goldenthal and Russ Bellant
The Free Congress Foundation Goes East by Russ Bellant and Louis Wolf
C.D. Jackson: Cold War Propagandist by Blanche Wiesen Cook
Cuba: Braving the Storm by Debra Evenson
Publications of Interest
The CIA and Banks by Rebecca Sims
The Middle East in “Crisis” by Jane Hunter
The Other Iran-Contra Cases by David MacMichael
The Indonesian Massacres and the CIA by Ralph McGehee
The Indonesia Transcripts by Kathy Kadane
Book Review: The “Terrorism” Industry by Jane Hunter
Book Review: Tortillas, Beans and M-16s by William Vornberger

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 15 2015 22:51 utc | 65

China Mocks G7 As “Gathering Of Debtors”, Warns “Confrontation Will Be A Disaster For Europe”

“Again, some of this is propaganda served hot and fresh straight from the Communist Party kitchen. That said, the underlying geopolitical analysis is spot-on even if it’s presented with a hyperbolic veneer.
The G7, like the IMF and the World Bank, is quickly falling victim to the arrogance of its most powerful members. If an overriding sense of Western exceptionalism is allowed to create the same type of complacency and rigidity that has paralyzed the IMF, it may not be long before the world’s emerging powers supplant entrenched political bodies much as they have moved to supersede ineffectual economic institutions.”

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 16 2015 3:26 utc | 66

@60- tel has tissi Sherlock…

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 16 2015 4:21 utc | 67

@66 nana.. thanks for the link.. i went and read the original here.

Posted by: james | Jun 16 2015 6:00 utc | 68

Gareth Porter (http://www.middleeasteye.net/):
– The US has reduced/stopped supporting the “moderate rebels” in Syria in late 2012 or 2012. Chief of staff Martin Dempsey has said that there’re no groups the US can support in Syria to help overthrow the Assad government.
– Obama has made a deal with the Gulf Cooperation Council & Saudi Arabia. The Gulf arabs were given (more or less) free reign regarding supporting ISIS. That could explain why the US didn’t make an effort to defend Ramadi.
In return the saudis will stop their resistence against a US- iranian deal (This is supposed to be the legacy “project” for Obama & Kerry).
– In the “National Security state” there’s significant support/sympathy for Saudi Arabia. That’s why the US are giving the saudis support for their war in Yemen. But the top of the US military doesn’t like the idea of supporting the saudis this way.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 16 2015 6:12 utc | 69

@66 @68
The G7 … 3 of the five eyes + Japan, Germany, France, and Italy.
Japan was headed for talks with Russia on the islands that Japan stole from Russia that Russia stole back from Japan … and pipelines … until the the US announced that “It’s not time for business as usual with Russia,” and Japan, like the EU, dutifully clicked its high-heels and saluted, apparently.
But after the G7 meeting Italy and Russia had a blateral meeting. They’re not still technically at war, so it was just about pipelines.
And then Putin spoke with the Turks in Baku, presumably filling them in on the Italian conversation.
And now Greece … where a Russian pipeline would flow between Turley and Italy … has its back to the wall, due to typical Prussian arrogance and intransigence.
It will be interesting to see how the financial markets respond to a Grexit/Gripeline announcement. I can’t believe the Germans are going for it.
I guess the devil’s makin’ ’em do it? Too?

Posted by: jfl | Jun 16 2015 13:34 utc | 70

jfl – i think the quick summary is we are gearing up for a major war in europe based on the designs of the usual suspects.. 2018 is my guess..

Posted by: james | Jun 16 2015 17:24 utc | 71

If you were to drop by Fort Russ you’d see a number of posting touting the coming end of the junta regime in Kiev. See Online hysteria of Kiev junta trolls is a sign of approaching collapse for the most interesting of number of leading indicators. “Uncertainty and the possibility of retribution for committed crimes are looming before them, making their way through the neurotic cocoon of Euro-illusions.” Emphasis added; a well-turned phrase. Insert your preferred illusion.
But this struck me as much more significant, the industrial equivalent of a farmer eating his seed corn. The title, When the pendulum swings back, de-Ukranization will begin in Ukraine, doesn’t really signal the desperation that this implies.
Russian poster Da_dzi (whom FR translates frequently) deals largely with ongoing closure of the Yuzhmash factory in Dneprpetrovsk. The pioneering liquid rocket fuel plant, once capable of building 120 ICBM’s per annum, hit hard times with perestroika, but its demise comes from the civil war and resulting recent cancellation of Russian contracts by Moscow.
He reports that workers are being seized at the gates of the plant for military service, and that the zapadentsy. (“westerners” or “westians”) are replacing locals as plant security.

Interesting thing, zapadentsy are hiding on the home front, and only the men from the East are sent to slaughter. It is such a gradual, quiet genocide. So that only the titular nation remains, as Poroshenko said.
The process of de-industrialization is in full swing. Europe, Kiev and the US do not need Ukraine, as a state of the 21st century. But a farm territory with nationalism in the style of 1930’s-40’s – why not!

And so why not press gang the skilled industrial workers? “The company worked with those perfidious moskals, right? I’ll bet they’re reds and unionists, the lot of them.” No doubt some of the junta’s minions are thinking it. The latest mobilization (the fifth, with a sixth planned) has not done well, apparently.
And what do we do with a problem named Mikheil Saakashvili? American academic Nicolai Petro asks what can we expect of him as govenor of Odessa? You’ll see from Russia Insider’s warm-up, he’s talking a good game so far. But Petro notes questions about where his home court is, there or back in Georgia?

Many observers in Ukraine believe that he is aiming to rise higher even in Ukrainian politics. Most likely, he fully intends to someday re-enter Georgian politics. To do this, however, he needs to demonstrate a recent political success…. Therefore, his ambitions in Odessa are best understood in the context of Georgian rather than Ukrainian politics.

Petro does not see Saakashvili as having an impact on foreign policy, “unless Saakashvili is given some international responsibility.” The move is “primarily a domestic reshuffling of cadres in anticipation of further infighting among the various clans…” as Poroshenko appoints a trusted co-conspirator to govern a critical region, displacing a Kolomoisky crony. But there is, however, an international dimension.

[Saakashvili’s] singular importance today lies in the fact that he is the last participant of the decade of “color revolutions” whose liberal reputation has remained more or less intact.
Odessa is therefore not just a test of Saakashvili, but of the very concept of social transformations through revolution. If it were to fail, [as Odessa newsite Timer writer Yuri] Tkachyov suggests, the revolutionary approach to politics within the former Soviet Union would be left without a single positive example to its credit.

I doubt that will disturb Foggy Bottom too much. There are plenty of unused swatches left. We’ll need a warm orange shade that goes well with blue and yellow. Something a little heavier on the yellow seems suitable, no?

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 17 2015 0:26 utc | 72

#67
lakek et hatahat sheli nana

Posted by: saddam | Jun 17 2015 7:25 utc | 73

Arbat at 74 —
You’ll need to provide a reference; a brief Bing search failed to locate your author, possibly associated with the Burdenko Neurosurgical Institute.
More critically, a brief search for Russian insulin found suggests that there are few problems. I easily found this posting, Sanofi ramps up insulin production at Russian plant on a pharma industry newsite, with a handy link to the original news item in Moscow Times. The various projects it mentions (e.g. Novo-Nordisk) seem to be up and running, from the time-sorted news results.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 17 2015 22:40 utc | 74

further to 75 — see e.g. “Novo Nordisk opens new modern insulin facility in Russia,” located behind a paywall at The Pharma Letter, from 3 Jun. 2015.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 17 2015 22:47 utc | 75

Wrong – it was Alexey Kascheev in today’s interview in TV Rain (Russian only). I suppose he knows better what is really produced in Russia and what is not. Russian media tend to report potential, future projects as something that is already happening and stay silent on failures.
Also there was a number of suicides recently among cancer patients who were unable to obtain anesthetics due to the bureaucratic red tape and fear of corrupted Federal Drug Control Service among doctors.

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 17 2015 22:56 utc | 76

Just checked – Sanofi in Orel doesn’t really produce insulin but merely produces injectable solution from insulin delivered from Germany. And it covers 3% of the overall demand in Russia.

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 17 2015 23:01 utc | 77

Arbat at 77 — I know enough russkii iazyk to get by, esp. if there’s a text, link please. Same for any hard info you have about suicides and Sanofi and the Russian pharmaceutical industry. The no. and location of production facilities for insulin would be an interesting fact.
Still can’t find anything relevant on your neurosurgeon, so the nature of his expertise on the pharmaceutical industry and diabetes treatment is unclear. According to this item, he was thought worthy of a bribe but turned it down. I would describe the content there at “Criminality.not” as colorful.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 18 2015 0:52 utc | 78

When I post links it doesn’t get through, so you need to search by titles: “Driving Russia’s Cancer Patients to Suicide (Op-Ed)” (Moscow Times), “Россия не вырабатывает инсулин” (gazeta.ru, about insulin).
The interview with Kascheev is at “Против страны, которая сама не производит инсулин, не нужна ядерная бомба” (TV Rain) and indeed he became popular for a while for not taking a bribe from Lifenews, which is an extraordinary case by all means.
For bribe extortion by FDCS search for cases of Olga Zelenina and Yana Yakovleva.

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 18 2015 5:48 utc | 79

arbat at 80 — thanks
Just read the Moscow Times Op-ed. “The problem behind this barbaric situation is manifold and lies in the way painkillers are currently prescribed to patients.” It does not attribute the difficulties to the sanctions.
Concerns about prescription of opiates are a general public health problem, as this recent item suggests.
I’m not interested in the alleged bribe, just that I have the right neurosurgeon. Any info. on Kashcheev’s background, political profile, and qualifications would be helpful.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 18 2015 12:06 utc | 80

I don’t think Kashcheev has any specific political background, he’s just a doctor. And you don’t really need to have a “background, political profile, and qualifications” to say that a state is failing. You folks do this about US or Europe all the time, and I don’t see anything unusual in this.

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 18 2015 13:52 utc | 81

Arbat at 82 —
That he’s making a political critique would suggest to me he holds political opinions and has taken other political actions, ergo, he would seem to have a political profile. Rain.TV certainly does. So I’m guessing he’s in the ranks of the “neo-liberal” color revolutionaries. Perhaps I should like into this alleged bribe business….
I can’t speak to what others do or do not do. I myself hold an advanced degree in Soviet History. You will see that I typically post links to items with well-known and knowledgeable commentators and observers. On this question I‘ve gone with business news and pharma industry newsletters.
So “Trust my random Russian doctor” won’t cut it with me. Especially when it seems production is expanding, not only in Russia but worldwide, thanks to the growth of one of the classic symptoms of western-style affluenza, diabetes.
The Moscow Times in 2013 (not that long ago) dicussed Sanofi’s Russian operations, which can supply up to 1 mil. patients per year, and noted the Novo Nordisk investment. In Jan., Novo stood by its investments in the Federation, and production began in April.
They even have official PR on their Russian operations at Novo Nordisk. Open it if you dare, it’s a 26 pp. color document. That was all I needed to know.
The Gazeta item does not report on any premature deaths due to shortages, but does have a fair concern about self-sufficiency and purity in pharmaceuticals, and notes Putin’s involvement in the Orel project. It seems to be suggesting cost was an obstacle, I would guess a couple of hundred million USD would get you sufficient capacity to service Federation needs.
For those wishing to learn about the Russian insulin market (and who doesn’t?), BTW, the GoogleTrans output reads fairly cleanly. I’m not being facetious, there are apparently a number of drugs where a small number of large suppliers predominate, if memory serves.
Let’s discuss Novo Nordisk’s insulin production capabilities, courtesy of Pharmceutical Technology. It notes that the complete cost for both phases of the project was about 500mil. euro, and produces nearly 1/2 of world production.

The company is making large investments around the world in new fill and finishing facilities, particularly in Chartres in France, Clayton in North Carolina, US, and in Montes Claros, Brazil. All of these new facilities will receive bulk insulin from the Kalundborg facility for fill, finishing and distribution.

This would appear to be a fairly standard business strategy, this article from Fox Business seems to suggest Indianapolis is where Lilly makes their insulin-active-ingredient for global distribution. It also reports the firm faces “fierce competition from new entrants focused specifically on diabetes, including Novo Nordisk.”
So I doubt if Russia is alone in dependency on foreign sources. I wonder if Yeltsin had a hand in that?
At this point, I’m disinclined to find the good doctor Kashcheev’s video. I usually can’t even sit through dreary English-language news videos on the computer (music clips, on the other hand, I’m cool with, like this Moscow Nights as you stroll the Square; interesting musically, dull visuals).
And he seems to me, more to the point, tendentiously ill-informed.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 19 2015 1:03 utc | 82

I’m guessing he’s in the ranks of the “neo-liberal” color revolutionaries
I’m just wondering how fanatic one needs to be to find a causality between doctor’s (!) statement “our medical industry sucks” and “neo-liberal color revolutionaries”.
Using your logic, if a black guy in US says “I can feel some bias in police approach against black folks” he must be a Russian fifth column, right?

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 19 2015 10:13 utc | 83

I would guess a couple of hundred million USD would get you sufficient capacity to service Federation needs
Maybe it would, but it won’t. As for the time being it satisfies 3% of the national demand. Insuline doesn’t contribute to the Russian neo-imperialism fable and Putin ranks. War in Donbass does, so this is where federal money goes.

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 19 2015 10:17 utc | 84

Russia is alone in dependency on foreign sources.
Russia is definitely not the only country depending on Western supplies of various products or services, but we are probably the only one that entered an open conflict with our suppliers while still fully depending on them and having no way to replace them. This is well beyond stupidity and this was the sole point of Kashcheev statement in the interview.

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 19 2015 10:31 utc | 85

Arbat at 84-86 —
I’m extrapolating Kashcheev’s profile from his appearance on Rain.TV and his apparent overstatement of the facts. Your remark on a “Russian neo-imperialism fable” seems cut from the same cloth. If he’s KPRF, let me know, comrade.
His interview would seem to be about trying to find any stick to beat Putin with. It seems like the Russian public understands the stakes, supports aiding Novorossiya, and so the neo-liberal opposition is looking for any sort of wedge issue. RFE/RL will let us all know how that works out.
What about Putin’s involvement in getting Orel up and running? That’s the height of indifference, right?
Let’s not forget, Washington picked the fight. Russia would be the only country where Washington gingered up a fascist coup in a neighboring state. Is anyone actually threatening to cut off insulin supplies? I’m sure we’d see a crash construction program lickety-split if it were cutoff. Too many heavy eaters, drinkers, and smokers amongst Russian voters.
So let’s see, the bill of particulars has gone from folks leaping out of windows and dropping in the streets due to drug shortages to that it’s not contributing enough — in your opinion of Putin’s motivations — to national prestige.
I hope you enjoyed Roy Clark, in any case. He’s got some chops.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 19 2015 12:07 utc | 86

trying to find any stick to beat Putin with
He is a doctor and he just says that a state that imports majority of everyday living products from people it calls their new enemy is not a very good candidate for a new empire. It’s criticism of a stupid policy, regardless of who’s behind it. If it’s Putin who stands behind it, the stick is well deserved.
a fascist coup in a neighboring state
You know very well this is bullshit. I’m very surprised anyone in the West believes this nonsense as this is so obviously fake to everyone in Russia, but I realize there are people who actually watch RT in English.
Russian public understands the stakes, supports aiding Novorossiya
No one with brains in Russia supports these gangsters and people in Moscow are openly expressing their anger about Putin’s stupid policy. Unfortunately, majority of the people in Russia live in villages and small towns, where the only source of information about world is the TV. And yes, thanks to that they do believe Stalin was a great leader and Putin is his reincarnation.

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 20 2015 9:29 utc | 87

Arbat at 88
What was Yanukovich’s removal if not a coup? How did they obtain the dubious Rada majority diposing him (in violation of the constitution)? What are Azov, the Pravyi Sektor, OUN-UPA if not fascists? What was the purpose of the Odessa Dom Profsoyuz arson massacre? The demostrations and occupations in the Donbas had at least as much popular legitimacy as Ms. Nuland’s little milk-and-cookie sit-down at the Maidan.
Russia under the buffoon Yeltsin and his band of IMF-backed pillagers was a broken country, willing to go along with any destructive nonsense emanating from Washington. In violation of post-Cold War understandings, NATO has pushed east and holds some sort of nebulous “peacekeeping” or “protective” mandate. France kept the peace in Libya, didn’t they (to cite just a recent blunder)? We’ve managed to roil the Mid-East and Eastern Europe, and seem to be poised to charge the China shop with a pivot East.
So why would Russia suddenly want to get these guys closer as neighbors? Putin has done what he’s supposed to do — he’s tried to stand up for his nation’s best interests, as he understands them. I’m given to understand patriotic people in Russia appreciate this, and the degree of control he has obtained over the oligarchs. I don’t know if Putin’s opponents are smart, but they do seem well-educated.
I’m not a fan of Putin; I rather liked the late Mozgovoy’s talk of a wider social revolution. But I would give Putin his due — he’s a classic “man on the white horse,” a bonapartist sort of figure. These sorts of personal regimes, like Napoleon III or de Gaulle and the Fifth Republic. They exploit mass discontent and reconcile elite priorities and popular support.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 20 2015 16:38 utc | 88

the ap link in this thread
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/11/ap-us-mercenaries-working-with-al-qaeda-no-scandal-just-a-difficulty.html
is kaput !
webarchive didnt catch it.

Posted by: denk | Jun 20 2015 16:59 utc | 89

What was Yanukovich’s removal if not a coup
Yanukovich was not removed forcibly. He signed an agreement with the protesters, fleed Ukraine and only then removed from the presidential position.
What are Azov, the Pravyi Sektor, OUN-UPA if not fascists
They are nationalists. We have tons of them in Russia but I haven’t really seen anyone here calling our nationalists “fascists”.
Russia under the buffoon Yeltsin and his band of IMF-backed pillagers was a broken country
IMF granted $20 billion to save Russia after 1998 crisis. This money was mostly stolen. But where was Putin at that time? He was stealing money in St. Petersburg like all others. There were many high-profile criminal investigations open against him in late 90’s, mostly for theft of public money and money laundering. No wonder him and his people were so extremely desperate to falsify elections to make him president – and, surprise, all these investigations were immediately closed!

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 20 2015 19:32 utc | 90

In violation of post-Cold War understandings
There were no “understandings” on NATO expansion, this was only invented in 2014 to justify the war in Ukraine.
NATO has pushed east
NATO did not push East. It was Baltics and Poland who desperately asked to be in NATO after they saw what’s going on in Chechnya. And looking through their glasses, they were 100% right.
the degree of control he has obtained over the oligarchs
Putin has taken control over the commission they now pay him for leaving them alone, but he has no control over the evil things they’ve been always doing. They’re still stealing billions of budget money, they’re still funneling them to Switzerland along with their wifes and children (including Putin’s). So from my point of view nothing has changed really, just the bosses were replaced – but if someone want’s to steal my business, they’re still free to do if they have proper protection from the government.
There was a brief moment of economic growth thanks to the oil prices, but no structural reforms were taken during that period. Corruption and red tape stays on the same level as before, as result we have no investments, farming or industry, plus we now have full blown censorship and “unknown perpetrators” execution critics.

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 20 2015 19:54 utc | 91

I would give Putin his due — he’s a classic “man on the white horse,” a bonapartist sort of figure
Perhaps only to our deep forest kolkhoz workers – and to some old farts in the West sentimental about Soviet Union.

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 20 2015 19:57 utc | 92

Arbat —
Fascism is a of course a form of nationalism. Bandera’s heirs and successors go a bit beyond generic nationalist, Azov Battalion in particular. The Maidan “heroes” openly threatened violence and detained members to get their unconstitutional Rada vote. And this was with the agreement for new elections. The Donbas and Crimea gained the right to self-defence and -determination with the violent abrogation of the social contract by the Maidan and Dom Profsoyuz.
Anyone involved in post-Union politics is dirty. We in the US thought it served our interest, so we let Yeltsin and his clique run wild. Putin is less openly corrupt, more sober, and acts more in the national interest than his predecessor. So he’s more popular with the masses.
I personally liked the old reds much better than the mafiya that emerged with Yeltsin. They represented the memory of the human desire for change and improvement, however sullied and atrophied (pick your poison; aren’t all the great dreams of humanity a bit sullied?). Berezovsky and his ilk were greedy thugs.
I’ve argued this before — we were all better of with the Red Menace alive and well. Capital couldn’t let the worst happen, and the Soviets largely stepped away from the police state and towards social democracy. With the weakening of workers parties and social movements since the collapse, political and intellectual resistance to capital and austerity is weak.
The capitalist press makes much of the nature of the 1990 promise — no NATO troops in East Germany, as the NATO-member FRG absorbed the PRG. That would rather seem like their perceived east limit. If you think that’s the furthest you have to worry about, why wouldn’t you be upset when suddenly that line moves abruptly much further east.
The official line seems to be, well it was all just verbal, if we let you misread our assurances, well, more fool you. Advantage Uncle Sam.
Forest kolkhoz then? I’m sure they need help with transport, marketing and purchasing. Pleasantly cool this time of year, I would think. There isn’t a collective in the maple sugar business around Vladivostok, maybe, is there? With something we could market as “artisanal syrup,” jazz up with a tasteful packaging and design and charge a boatload for?

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 21 2015 0:50 utc | 93

ps to 94 — And haven’t the kolkhozhniks, metallistii, and provincials always outnumbered the intelligentsia of the two capitals?

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 21 2015 0:54 utc | 94

Berezovsky and his ilk were greedy thugs.
But Berezovsky was Putin’s sponsor in his early years and it was Berezovsky who brought Putin to the power.
Soviets largely stepped away from the police state and towards social democracy
You haven’t lived in the late Soviet Union, have you? Because if you were, you wouldn’t write such a nonsense. The country where I had been born and lived had nothing to do with any kind of democracy or “human desire for change”. I’m feeling like I’m speaking with yet another old fart of the many who only knew Soviet Union from reading “Pravda” (and they believed every single word!), considered atrocities Soviets did to us as “necessary cost of change” and back in 80’s wisely taught us not to abandon the “revolutionary dream”.
nature of the 1990 promise
Again, there was no “1990 promise”.
Fascism is a of course a form of nationalism
Russia is now full of extreme nationalists. Rogozin is a nationalist, not to mention Zaldostanov or Kadyrov. But you call them “patriots”, not “fascists”, even though they are much worse than those in Ukraine.
Donbas and Crimea gained the right to self-defence
But there was no “self” in the “self-defence”. There were GRU troops in Crimea and Strelkov masked gangsters in Donbas who came from Russia to start the war. And there’s now stream of Russian tanks crossing the border that allow to continue the war.
Putin is less openly corrupt, more sober, and acts more in the national interest than his predecessor. So he’s more popular with the masses.
I can’t see how stealing billions and transferring it to tax havens can be called “acting in the national interest”. Or starting the war in Donbas. The sole reason why he’s popular with the masses is because since 2000 he took 100% control over the media, taking over all TV channels and introduced censorship for Internet media. People are now accused of “extremism” for criticizing the war or even local corruption. This is the secret of “Putin’s support” that you perhaps weren’t told about before. And I can’t see how forcibly throttling criticism of the corrupted administration can be “in the national interest” at all.
I have a feeling that you’re living with idealistic myths about Russia my friend, just like you did in 80’s. But I’m telling you that the reality on the ground has literally nothing to do with the fables you see on RT and other propaganda outlets.

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 21 2015 8:25 utc | 95

Arbat at 96
The neo-liberals in Russia will continue to sell her out for a mess of pottage, and will therefore remain unpopular. Russian nationalists are not marching into the Duma, beating people up and tossing them in dumpsters, they do not have private armies and sit in parliament and ministerial suites. They are not in power and are unlikely to get power.
I put accusations by the neo-liberals of sinister government conspiracies against them on a plane with our own Tea Partiers. It’s all the government press keeping us from enlightening the foolish masses. Whatever happened to samizdat?
Thank Yeltsin for the centralization of the press. Putin was seen as a placeholder upon his appointment to succeed Yeltsin, allowing the Yeltsin’s family and associates to continue to dominate and fleece the state. It was the period of “privatization” Yeltsin managed that introduced violence and death as means of business and political dispute resolution. They are also the ones that made the extraction-heavy economy that the neo-liberals now decry.
As I tried to argue earlier, give the devil his due, Putin quickly and sharply outmaneuvered his putative handlers. It was a combo of power ministries connections and an attractive campaign against the (non-conforming) oligarchs that allowed him to do this, IMHO.
Berezovsky was not the only one to be surprised. I don’t find the pot calling the kettle black regarding alleged corruption to be very probative.
The fact remains Putin has stood up for Russian and indeed global interests, where Yeltsin would not. See, e.g., the attempt involve NATO early in the war in Syria, over the “red line” of supposed chemical weapons use.
Gorbachev and Khrushchev were not Brezhnev, who was not Stalin. All states and ideologies have body counts behind them. My own has slavery and the “winning of the West,” our genocide of the Native Americans, under its belt. Throw in a shabby colonial record in the Philippines and Latin America, and an ongoing love for jihadi militias, and that makes for a pretty dirty white hat.
We keep adding to ours, with detention, renditions, drones and “humanitarian” interventions. To say nothing about the “New Jim Crow” domestically. Austerity probably isn’t good for us either. The Soviets pretty much stopped with Stalin.
I was always a Soviet Life and Moscow News reader than Pravda. Through a number of personal and professional coincidences, my training turned out be like that of the high Cold War experts, who spent little time in Russia. So like them, I dissect a mean text and instantly pick up on the atmospherics (Kerry’s visit to Sochi and the 70th. anniv. parade, very old school). I may not know the intricacies of the Russian soul, but I get by with their geopolitics and history.
I came to the field well-informed enough to know of the serious flaws with “presently existing socialism” and their deep connection to Russia’s socio-economic backwardness and subsequent love-hate relationship with Western Europe (need the technology, could do without the lectures and a**-whipping).

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 21 2015 17:01 utc | 96

Russian nationalists are not marching into the Duma, beating people up and tossing them in dumpsters
No, indeed – they just execute then, just as they did with dozens of opposition figures murdered in Russia during the last decade, not to mention hundreds of immigrants beaten to death in Moscow by the nazi skinheads with the blessing of administration.
Putin quickly and sharply outmaneuvered his putative handlers
No, he falsified 2000 elections and immediately after taking power he started moving towards autocracy. One of his first decisions was to make regional governors no longer electable (this is what pissed off Berezovsky), then he took control of ORT and NTV. This is not “outmaneuvering”, this exactly definition of junta.
Thank Yeltsin for the centralization of the press.
No, it only started happening in 2000 after Putin came to power and it was explicitly stated in his “program of reforms”. For example, NTV was one of the channels most critical against Putin during the election campaign, pointing out corruption and mismanagement in Petersburg. But what really pissed Putin off was the live talk show about the FSB team caught planting bombs in Ryazan in 1999. This is exactly when Putin threatened to arrest Gusinski for alleged tax evasion and other stuff. Gusinski agreed to sell NTV to Gazprom, all criminal investigations were cancelled and he left Russia. Yeltsin had nothing to do with these events and this was as “quick and sharp” as a street robbery.

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 22 2015 9:22 utc | 97

Yeltsin managed that introduced violence and death
Yes, and Putin happily subscribed to that model. He was FSB and everything that happened in Russia in 90’s – looting, privatization, extortions, killings – was not only tolerated but also actively protected by FSB.
regarding alleged corruption to be very probative
No. It was not Berezovsky who accused Putin of corruption in 90’s because they they were best friends untils Putin took ORT from him in 2000. There were a number of criminal investigations against Putin started in late 90’s mostly in Sankt Petersburg. Law enforcement accused Putin of stealing western food aid, money laundering and extorting bribes. There was a parliamentary commission led by Marina Salye that investigated these cases of abuse of power and turned them into criminal investigations. After Putin came to power in 2000 all of them were forcibly terminated and Salye herself threatened and left the politics. All her documents are published, you can see for yourself how Putin and Sobchak were making their money in 90’s. Now, go and tell me more about “controlling the oligarchs”…
Putin has stood up for Russian
Yes, you could especially see that in 2011 when 200’000 (two hundreds thousands) Russians marched against him.
I get by with their geopolitics and history
Oh yes, I was also reading carefully picked articles from US press in Soviet Pravda and I also knew a relative of a relative who was once in the US therefore I also consider myself an expert on life in the US.

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 22 2015 9:22 utc | 98

All states and ideologies have body counts behind them
Europeans have been killing native Americans 400 years ago. My country has murdered millions of our own citizens just 30 years ago, and they did that just to go bankrupt on foreign dept, so please stop that “all ideologies have” nonsense. It’s equally unproductive as your argument about “good intentions”. You simply cannot build a better society with terror and inequality, and this applies equally to US and Russia. Your own fans of “trickle down economics” also believe this is the right way for everyone to live well, but the effects of their policy are quite opposite.
I put accusations by the neo-liberals of sinister government conspiracies
Are you speaking about the “Western fifth column”, “Russian race dilution”, “forcible gay education in Europe” and “NATO in Ukraine” conspiracies? Because this is what I hear in Russian television right now.
It’s really ridiculous, because Putin had 100% control over Russia for the last 15 years. I don’t like it, but he did have the control and shaped the state in any way he wanted. And still, he now stands in the Economic Forum in Petersburg and says that “unfortunately our economy still largely depends on oil sales”. Indirectly admitting that, in spite of having full control of the country for over a decade, he did not pass any structural reforms or improve the quality of administration. And what is really embarassing, the only explanation he has is that it’s all because of Western conspiracy…

Posted by: Arbat | Jun 22 2015 9:31 utc | 99

Arbat —
I do not see Putin as building a new society (Mozgovoy would have) but rather just stabilizing Russia’s condition. Nor do I see the neo-liberal opposition as capable of anything but the subservience of Yeltsin’s clown car of cronies.
Yeltsin began the process of media consolidation. The friendly heads of the major broadcasters were critical in suppressing info. about his health during his last re-election. Zyuganov, the KPRF candidate, was said by some observers to have actually won.
I’m unsure who you refer to by “30 years ago,” perhaps the war vs. the murderous Chechen thugs, long used as mafiya muscle, begun by Yeltsin.
Y’all are pikers. We’ve destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, destabilized Egpyt, Syria, and Yemen, in that time, all while propping up the zombie banks, heating the planet, and ramming austerity down the throats of workers globally in the last 30 years.
If you cannot see the dirty hands of all ideologies, I’m unsure what can be done. Russia is not the major source of disorder and instability in the status quo, that would be our sole, exceptional superpower.
I see the fact that Putin gets re-elected, and the liberal opposition barely makes it into the Duma. Must be a conspiracy, those stupid voters. Such allegations are an excuse, not a cause, of the neo-liberals unpopularity. I shy away from “fifth column,” but I would note many of them have nice consultancy and fellowship contracts with generous Western institutions. Race dilution is not a concern of mine.
I read a bit more widely than Sputnik, which I actually don’t read that much. I favor Russia Insider, NewColdWar, and Fort Russ. I like the links at Naked Capitalism, good variety, and Counterpunch is always informative on a variety of topics. I read my local MSM hardcopy daily (I think I have something relevant form Sundays, when time permits), so I get the establishment version. I drop by Kyiv Post periodically, like to get it straight from the horse, so to speak. My reading on Russian and Soviet history includes modern social historians like J.A. Getty, as well as Russians like Pokrovsky and Platonov.
You may find my views ill-considered, but I don’t think they are uninformed.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 22 2015 12:14 utc | 100