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May 30, 2015
Open Thread 2015-23
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After some reading of history and thinking, I have come to the conclusion that what has been going on today in the Internet age with the Ukraine, Syria, etc. was always happening somewhere pre-Internet only we, the great unwashed, the masses, weren’t told and so didn’t know about it. Today it is the US hegemon trying to stave off the inevitable decline and fade-away into ordinariness; yesterday, it was the British Empire and if you go further back, you get the Romans and eventually the Sumerians. Posted by: Albertde | May 30 2015 18:19 utc | 1 If people had the same access to information at the beginning of the twentieth century as we do know, surely the world would be a vastly different place. I feel so frustrated when the msm disseminate propaganda/misinformation. I wonder if it’s deliberate or whether the journalist is so naive as to believe ie that Vladimir Putin is the next Hitler or that Iran is a belligerent state. Here in Australia, the majority of people are all too happy to take what they’re told at face value. Posted by: Trevor | May 30 2015 19:12 utc | 2 Thanks to moonofalabama for opening my eyes. I don’t know who you are but I love your work. Since then I have discovered Eric draitser and the vineyard of the saker, but I always visit your site and am often totally gobsmacked at what I read here. Posted by: Trevor | May 30 2015 19:21 utc | 3 Not a joke:
And the people of Odessa show their first reactions: http://img.gazeta.ru/files3/81/6740081/pCntPpN2omQ-pic4_zoom-1000×1000-90793.jpg The reader who posted this picture in the Guardian said, it says “a tie for Misha”. Posted by: Fran | May 30 2015 19:44 utc | 5 What is your take on the “Neutron bomb dropped by IAF plane with Saudi markings…” story in Yemen? Would this be an Israeli/US field test? Comparing it to the Zionazi experiment on Sephardi children (50ies) or the US government sanctioned sarin gassing of desters in Laos (70ies), it wouldn’t be the first time an attrocious act of such magnitude doesn’t get any traction in the media. So is this today’s reality, still unclear or fake? Posted by: sasquash | May 30 2015 19:51 utc | 6 @4 I think Mr. Whitney may be indulging in a little hyperbole. I’ve searched several news reports and Carter’s exact words were…”To that end, there should be an immediate and lasting halt to land reclamation by all claimants,” Posted by: dh | May 30 2015 19:53 utc | 7 My favo(u)rite twitterer https://twitter.com/RedKahina Posted by: ruralito | May 30 2015 19:56 utc | 8 4 Posted by: Chipnik | May 30 2015 20:14 utc | 9 to dh & mercatu at 4 & 7 —
This is all pretty rich, coming from an open serial violator of international law that possesses history’s largest net of foreign bases, all of which are designed to aid the projection of military power and resource control. We have acted for “peace and stability” only after the failure of our attempt to dominate East Asia militarily failed in the Mekong Delta.
Slow roasted to a delicate crunch? Or quick-fried to a crackly crunch? I guess the market will decide….
Tyrants, imperialists, and authoritarian regimes like to police the locals with out-of-towners. The locals might be too sympathetic to their neighbors to do a thorough job. Posted by: rufus magister | May 30 2015 20:50 utc | 10 “US mega-corporations will have new customers for their IPADs and toaster ovens” Posted by: dh | May 30 2015 21:08 utc | 11 Trevor and Albertde at 1 & 2 — Posted by: rufus magister | May 30 2015 21:16 utc | 12 dh at 11 — A fair point. It’s probably a bit more accurate to say, we don’t want our supply chains for cheap consumer goods disrupted. You can’t really enjoy a good media circus without bread to munch on (and a toaster-oven to prepare it.) Posted by: rufus magister | May 30 2015 21:28 utc | 13 One imagines container loads of ipads and toaster ovens strafed by F-35s and washed up on the Spratleys to the delight of poor Filipino fishermen. Posted by: dh | May 30 2015 21:36 utc | 14 So the ‘Russian troll house’ that is widely touted in the western press turns out to be ran by an anti Putin journalist. Posted by: Bill | May 30 2015 21:48 utc | 15 dh @ 14 — Every cloud has a silver lining. Even if the goods are water-damaged, the shipping containers make for good housing and raw materials. Don’t forget the ships themselves, too. Posted by: rufus magister | May 30 2015 21:54 utc | 16 I nearly forgot — good news and bad news from the Ukraine.
For the good news, Unions picket government building, cabinet meeting in Kiev on May 27 “The 1,000 participants demanded that the government stop their anti-social policy and take action to resolve social and economic problems.” It appears a little more blue-and-yellow than red-and-gold, but that would be due to the recent ban on communist and other leftist symbolism. Posted by: rufus magister | May 30 2015 22:06 utc | 17 The odds are long that toaster ovens will still keep working during a Nuclear Winter. Once democracy contracts the “sickness unto death” it’s all downhill from there. Things fall apart, and all events that include hubris and pivots toward assured destruction, begins to look like foreshadowing in Greek Tragedy.
We survivors would all have to be inmates of a prison industrial complex to export to Asia, on such a scale of commerce. I spent some time at the Left Forum in NYC today. There was a panel on the Ukraine, hosted by this organization, which I think you’ll find has pretty good collection of Ukraine news: US Friends of the Soviet People. @Fran Copeland at 17 — Posted by: rufus magister | May 31 2015 1:33 utc | 22 The Guardian is still getting worked up about FIFA. In today’s edition Blatter is being compared to Putin: “Increasingly, the stances of Blatter and Vladimir Putin appear indivisible.” Posted by: Lochearn | May 31 2015 2:32 utc | 24 g77 @ 19 —
As translator Kristina Rus observes, “those who thought they will weaken the resistance in Novorossia by killing Mozgovoy were gravely mistaken…” Posted by: rufus magister | May 31 2015 3:07 utc | 25 nmb @ 22: From your link: Posted by: ben | May 31 2015 3:53 utc | 26 Short video from TRNN on Greece: Posted by: ben | May 31 2015 3:56 utc | 27 Saudi Arabia sentencing the saudi shiite cleric Nimr-al Nimr to death Posted by: Willy2 | May 31 2015 7:31 utc | 28 “Israel, fearing EU Sanctions over Apartheid, backpedals on Segregated Buses for Palestinians” Posted by: Willy2 | May 31 2015 7:35 utc | 29 “Hawks think the US alone can Still Garrison the Planet: How’s that Working Out?” Posted by: Willy2 | May 31 2015 7:58 utc | 30 guest77 @ 20 says: Posted by: john | May 31 2015 8:35 utc | 31 12 Posted by: Chipnik | May 31 2015 8:42 utc | 32 18 Posted by: Chipnik | May 31 2015 8:50 utc | 33 today i went to a venue and on the way saw these poor suffering aboriginal people huddled together under a bridge….absolutely tragic.i went to a hotel nearby and bought them a bottle of red wine to warm them up.one guy said his ancestors were from the wurrandjerri tribe and this was there land Posted by: mcohen | May 31 2015 9:57 utc | 34 #32 chip Posted by: mcohen | May 31 2015 10:16 utc | 35
It’s because Israelis are brutal racists. The native people of Palestine are not even considered ‘untermensch’, they are no longer called human, by people in government. Posted by: Laguerre | May 31 2015 10:17 utc | 36 @Trevor #2, Posted by: ralphieboy | May 31 2015 12:56 utc | 37 Meanwhile, in some Belgium forum, a pie-thrower pays a visit to Bernard-Henri Levy: Posted by: citizen X | May 31 2015 14:44 utc | 39 32;The 60’s were awesome!The music will live forever,unlike today’s garbage.As a 51er,I am glad to have lived through an era of hope,unlike today’s incredible descent into endless war and BS.Our kids are all infected with nihilism,as the monsters above have no honor,and celebrate hate death and war.Sad world.The Airplane were my favorite San Fran band,and Jorma my favorite acid guitar man,Bless their(our) pointed little heads!Turn out the lights!Saw them at the Fillmore East in 69,with the Youngbloods,the late show,they played till 3?They used to put old films on during band breaks,and this one had WC Fields in the Bank Dick,where he’s driving the bank robber! Posted by: dahoit | May 31 2015 15:27 utc | 40 Chipnik at 31 — I demur. Opiates are the opiates of the masses nowadays. Local police now carry and admin. anti-OD drugs here in DelVal’s burgs and ‘burbs. Posted by: rufus magister | May 31 2015 15:29 utc | 41 Hungry for the kill Posted by: fairleft | May 31 2015 15:39 utc | 42 Fairleft at 41 —
Grapevine Fires put them on my radar. In form and content it differs dramatically from most radio fare. “It’s only a matter of time before we all burn….” Posted by: rufus magister | May 31 2015 16:34 utc | 43 Posted by: Maracatu | May 30, 2015 3:38:36 PM | 4 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 31 2015 16:51 utc | 44 @6 sasquash Posted by: Crest | May 31 2015 17:57 utc | 45 I have come to the conclusion that what has been going on today in the Internet age with the Ukraine, Syria, etc. was always happening somewhere pre-Internet only we, the great unwashed, the masses, weren’t told and so didn’t know about it. Albertde at 1. Posted by: Noirette | May 31 2015 18:23 utc | 46 recommended reading http://thesaker.is/sitrep-for-31st-may-by-baaz/ Posted by: ruralito | May 31 2015 19:20 utc | 47 “Moon of Alabama” is called a “obscure” blog. Posted by: Willy2 | May 31 2015 20:13 utc | 48 dahoit @ 39 — Posted by: rufus magister | May 31 2015 20:20 utc | 49 #Syria #Chlorine 33 Posted by: Chipnik | May 31 2015 21:03 utc | 51 : Laguerre #35 Posted by: mcohen | May 31 2015 21:18 utc | 52 @49 Assad only does it to feed ammunition to Western media IMO. Barrel bombs = outrage. He wouldn’t want any Western journalists to lose their jobs. Posted by: dh | May 31 2015 21:22 utc | 53 ralphieboy@36 – you’re a scumbag. There’s nothing unreasonable in Trevor’s statement @2. What’s the “conspiracy theory” you’ve found there, you twit? That Austrialia is too close to America! How far out can you get?! That the MSM is manipulative and full of untruths?! How crazy right?! We’ve been hearing a lot about the “Iraqis unwillingness to fight” and of the Sunni revulsion over Shia militas – but this in untrue.
And there were reports of hundreds of Sunni civilians defending Ramadi from ISIL along side the Iraqi Army. Probably these are the folks rounded up and murdered in Ramadi following its fall (haven’t heard much from ISIL’s #1 fan WayOutWest on this). The most disgusting part is that I saw CIA friendly bloggers such as BlogsOfWar calling these people “collaborators” that ISIL was killing. These are not collaborators! These are Iraqi patriots – its those who work with ISIL who are the collaborators. I’m not sure how they could go about this or if they’d even want to, but it would be interesting if Iraq, Syria, Russia, China, and Iran could set a precedent for the sovereign, democratic, request for an intervention inside of Iraq and Syria. The Iraqi and Syrian governments could set up a four-month campaign on a treaty laying the outlines for the intervention, leading to a referendum, and once the votes are counted the intervention force made up of SCO members + Iran can arrive and move into Mosul and obliterate ISIL. Can you imagine the pants pissing that would go on in the West if these governments actually put together a precedent for totally legitimate, democratically approved intervention of this sort. Will they or won’t they? Only their paymasters know for sure. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 1 2015 3:13 utc | 57 g77 at 55 — Our respect for precedent is exceeded only by our respect for international law. I doubt that DC will allow such a precedent to be set, just to be on the safe side though. Plenty of Depends and helpful staff on hand in any case. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 1 2015 3:18 utc | 58 Posted by: Noirette | May 31, 2015 2:23:02 PM | 45 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 1 2015 3:25 utc | 59 An interview with an eyewitness to the shootdown of MH17 Posted by: Terje | Jun 1 2015 3:38 utc | 60 Noirette at 45 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 1 2015 4:52 utc | 61 Willy2 | May 31, 2015 4:13:42 PM | 47 Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 1 2015 5:03 utc | 62 The power to pull the curtain back further than ever, is what the internet has given us; but old fashioned investigative journalism is still the hottest button of them all; and we have had journalists bumped off here. It doesn’t only happen in Third World countries. The power structure is probably as ruthless now, as it was in the 70s, when the NSA was also caught spying on dissidents and compiling dissident enemies lists. The Deep State assassinated US political leaders in prior years, but subsequently they gained control over the vetting process, for filtering the selections. Qatar sneaks into French politics Posted by: Mina | Jun 1 2015 8:35 utc | 64 Qatar again… Posted by: Mina | Jun 1 2015 8:47 utc | 65 re 63
I thought it was that a Russian bank lent money to the Front National. A commercial transaction. Or do you have additional information? Posted by: Laguerre | Jun 1 2015 9:38 utc | 66 Poor sad Varoufakis (emphasis added):
So he and his stupid party are okay with the existing level of austerity? That’s insane and criminal betrayal of the Greek people. And those ‘reforms’: financial deregulation that has been so ‘successful’ in other countries, fire sales of national assets, and surely renewed and guaranteed ability of wealthy foreigners and Greeks to Grexit their tax-free fire-sale profits out of the country. Posted by: fairleft | Jun 1 2015 10:24 utc | 67 51 Posted by: Chipnik | Jun 1 2015 10:34 utc | 68 No extra info, sorry. You must be right, i did not dig on this. Posted by: Mina | Jun 1 2015 12:27 utc | 69 Posted by: Mina | Jun 1 2015 12:28 utc | 70 Interesting op-ed in the New York Times: “Israel’s Charade of Democracy” Posted by: Johnboy | Jun 1 2015 13:16 utc | 71 Hoarsewhisperer at 58 wrote: Identity Politics and Populism both play a huge part, imo. Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1 2015 16:25 utc | 72 Britain dropped a terrorism case against a Swedish national who had went to SYria to fight with Al Nusra because.. they were supporting the same group. Posted by: Bill | Jun 1 2015 16:28 utc | 73 On Philippot: he is gay (rumored, plenty of scurrilous press about the boyfriend, has not come out publically) and is an admirer of de Gaulle. Note the FN in France did not enter – ever, publically – the sexual identity, gay marriage, (LGTB etc.) debates. (With some minor exceptions, and setting aside J.M. Le Pen in the past.) Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1 2015 17:38 utc | 74 Noirette at 72 — “From different angles” — Not the first time that’s happened. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 1 2015 22:30 utc | 75 Bhagavan Chipnik at 68 Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 2 2015 0:43 utc | 76 Russia Insider has a few items of interest today.
She goes on to note that many of the instances of the “performance art” of Pussy Riot — like their most noted stunted, their disruption of worship at the Cathedral of Christ the Savior — would have resulted in their arrest most anywhere in the world.
As she said, I’m irreligious myself, but “there is such a thing as freedom of religion, and people have a right to worship in peace…. Protesting in a cathedral that is charged with the weight of sad chapters in Russia’s history? Is that challenging the status quo, or being an insensitive brat?”
Finally, here’s the bottom line: Crunch Time for Ukraine: Kiev May See Its Foreign Assets Seized. It discusses recent legislation permitting a selective (read, “anti-Russian”) default. “Final point is that ex-post application of the law, there will be no possibility for achieving any voluntary restructuring of debt as all negotiations will be terminated because Ukraine will be declared in a default.” Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 2 2015 1:34 utc | 77 Jordan does feel the impact of the wars in neighbouring countries. Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 2 2015 1:55 utc | 78 The Israëli government is getting more and more extreme. Stone throwers face up to 10 years in jail. Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 2 2015 1:57 utc | 79 Turkey’s prime minister Erdogan and his AKP party could face defeat in the next election next sunday. Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 2 2015 2:01 utc | 80 mccohen@35- Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 2 2015 2:30 utc | 81 Reading reports that Russia is “abandoning” Syria. Depressing if true. Posted by: ruralito | Jun 2 2015 2:46 utc | 82
on the intrepid Wesley Clarke. Posted by: Nana2007 | Jun 2 2015 3:51 utc | 83 Wow, Russia abandoning Syria would be a major coup for the Obama admin Posted by: DamascusFalling | Jun 2 2015 3:59 utc | 84 Noirette Posted by: Mina | Jun 2 2015 4:54 utc | 85 @84, premature. Ynetnews in full gloat mode is quoting Asharg Al-awsat who carry Saudi water. Posted by: ruralito | Jun 2 2015 6:09 utc | 86 #81 nana2007……. Posted by: mcohen | Jun 2 2015 7:32 utc | 87 @88 Posted by: Jay M | Jun 3 2015 1:22 utc | 89 Blatter’s resignation also covered by RT This is interesting — Washington is solving its Saakashvili problem (Georgia wants his extradition) at Kiev’s expense. Putting him on trial in Tblisi would expose that DC supported a corrupt, murderous, and incompetent hack for a decade, costing Georgia dearly in life, treasure, and territoy. That’s Why Washington exiled Saakashvili to Odessa.
After reading about Ukrainian diplomats cleaning the streets of Rome I couldn’t help but wonder — do they do windows, too? Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 3 2015 5:22 utc | 91 Obama gave an interview to “The Atlantic”. It seems the White House is aware that Iraq (as we knew it in the last say 95 years) is definitely “dead & gone”. Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 3 2015 6:25 utc | 92 Local Russian media from Pskov have no doubts that regular Russian army is fighting in Ukraine, criticizing the recent law that makes any information about army losses a state secret.
mina at 85, you are right, M M-le Pen, a member of parliament, i used the word Gvmt too loosely. I propose not to argue about who is more gay-friendly or not.. Posted by: Noirette | Jun 3 2015 15:05 utc | 94 Defense Secretary Ashton Carter: Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 3 2015 20:03 utc | 95 “Wow, Russia abandoning Syria would be a major coup for the Obama admin” Breaking news — See the materials at Fort Russ on heavy fighting in the Donbas, particularly at Maryinka. See Anticipation of a Lost War in particular. I think the scorpion just stung the frog. It does rather seem to be in the nature of the Banderist beast, though DC is bound to be disappointed. Assuming Kerry’s recent round of kissy-face at Sochi wasn’t just PR. Official reaction will be telling. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2015 0:12 utc | 97 Further to 97 — “Anticipation” gave useful background, this piece by Aleksandr Zhuchkovskiy on Maryinka (originally posted on Strelkov’s Facebook) provides current details. It reports heavy losses on the Banderist side. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2015 2:34 utc | 98 Muslimzon online Usa gift shop provides Islamic Children’s Books,Quran Learning,Learning Roots,Zaky DVDs,One4Kids Gifts,Eid Banners & Bunting Flag,Eid Decorations & Gifts,Eid Lights & Lanterns,Ramadan Greeting cards Islamic DVDs and CDs,Eid Decorations & Gifts,Eid Greeting cards,Islamic Gifts,Edutainment,Eid Lights & Lanterns,Ramadan Greeting cards,Islamic Toys and Dolls,Islamic Puzzles. Posted by: musliamzon | Jun 4 2015 3:59 utc | 99 The Kyiv Post kindly provides a a link to the transcript of the 3 June State Dept. briefing. A few highlights on the Ukraine. Let’s take it straight from the horse, shall we? Pull up your wellies, mates, it gets deep.
Like a picture, an non-answer answer can speak a thousand words. Kyiv is touting American support. Washington seems totally cool with Poroshenko’s renewed war, as long as it point the blame at Moscow but not provide any real evidence for it’s accusations. “Our experts” are creating an alternate reality, based on denying some very simple realities. Same as it ever was…. Posted by: rufus magister | Jun 4 2015 5:11 utc | 100 |
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