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May 23, 2015
Open Thread 2015-22
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The plan of the global financial mafia for Greece confirmed Posted by: nmb | May 23 2015 10:15 utc | 2 An excellent article in Salon on John Kerry going to meet Lavrov and Putin at Sochi and having to admit US failure in the Ukraine. “The Americans were excluded from Minsk—point blank, so far as one can make out. And I love the Times sentence on this in Monday’s paper: “Russia, Germany and France previously made it clear that they did not necessarily welcome the Americans at the negotiating table…” It reminds me of Hirohito announcing the surrender on Japanese radio: “The war has not necessarily proceeded to our advantage.” http://www.salon.com/2015/05/19/john_kerry_admits_defeat_the_ukraine_story_the_media_wont_tell_and_why_u_s_retreat_is_a_good_thing/ Posted by: harry law | May 23 2015 11:15 utc | 3 Either outcome … knuckling under to the Germans on the one hand or defaulting and leaving the EUzone on the other … is going to be very tough for the Greeks to have to face. But the default and Grexit hold out the possibility of an independent, Greek future. Posted by: jfl | May 23 2015 11:41 utc | 4 I believe the Sochi meeting occurred because of the price of oil. The US has realized that with Petrodollars being repatriated to the Middle East and the fracking companies going bankrupt due to their inability to pay the interest on their junk bonds, the US economy was going to go into a nosedive and the “too big to fail” banks holding fracking company paper would be looking for a government bailout repeat in a Tea Party environment. The question then becomes which part of the “Deep State Blob” would be dominant, i.e., who really rules the roost? A question the Deep State Blob does not want a public answer to. Posted by: Albertde | May 23 2015 13:19 utc | 5 Pathetic eurovision competition tonight will the hbtq crowd boo Ivan again? Posted by: clicc | May 23 2015 13:35 utc | 6 Despite the negative headline, “Finance Minister Fit for a Greek Tragedy?” — which is a long article that appears in this weekend’s The New York Times Magazine –it is actually a complimentary piece on Varoufakis and Syriza in general. The reader comes away with a very clear statement from Varoufakis: He will not cut pensions as the troika demands; if at the end of the day that is the “take it or leave it deal” on the table he will walk away. Posted by: Mike Maloney | May 23 2015 13:51 utc | 7 @3 and @5 Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 23 2015 14:23 utc | 8 Sign here: Private people should not be allowed to build monuments on nationally meaningful ground according to their own bad readings of history and their twisted ideological bent. Not without what would have to be a much more vast memorial to the many many times more victims of capitalism and fascism dwarfing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuQ_GjERWbU Any discussion of the living dead has to include the corpse of the Ukraine. The NAZombIeS in charge continue to suck the lifeblood out of Banderastan. Aleksandr Rodzhers offers A Few Thoughts About Tomorrow.
He goes on to note that insolvency will threaten the purchase of fuel supplies and threaten the movement of goods, further aggravating the economic slide. The junta, instead of fixing these severe difficulties, is “babbling about the visa-free regime, joining the EU… and are preparing to launch another round of fighting on the Donbass.”
He sees three possible futures. “A real revolution… with a complete break with the past and “rebranding” the state in another form, with a revamped Constitution…” Or, the secession of other regions, leaving on the rump of Kiev. And finally, “await the default…. [with] 15-20 years of poverty are guaranteed.” He sees the second as the best option. “In any event, as long as Ukraine is being governed by complete failures and criminals of the puppet occupation administration under full control of the US, nothing will change.” Posted by: rufus magister | May 23 2015 15:46 utc | 12 The wests propaganda is having a bad day. Posted by: jo6pac | May 23 2015 16:14 utc | 13 Yemen Redraws Middle East Alliances Posted by: Virgile | May 23 2015 16:28 utc | 14 Harry Law #3. That is correct, Kerry’s comments in Sochi are very significant. It does appear that the US is backing down from it’s foolish policy in Ukraine. Not just that but it was accompanied by Kerry’s warning to Poroshenko to forget about trying to retake the Donetsk airport. This has to be a major slap down considering that Kerry made the statement in Russia after meeting with Putin and Lavrov. Ukraine simply cannot continue the civil war without the support of either the EU or the US. This was one of those totally unexpected changes that it has left nearly all analysts in the West mostly speechless and the many of voices sympathetic to Russia unable to accept what happened there. The Saker is an exception to this since he immediately called this out a major retreat by the US. Stephan Cohen also seems to understand it’s significance. Posted by: ToivoS | May 23 2015 16:33 utc | 15 Re: SyrianPerspective – I don’t want to say it’s incorrect, but the writing style of blogger resembles that of the iron shiek. It’s hard to take his claims seriously Posted by: DamascusFalling | May 23 2015 17:05 utc | 16 Alexey Mozgovoy was just killed today in DNR. This is second independent field commander (after “Batman”) murdered recently. Demolition of the failed Novorossiya project continues. Posted by: Dener | May 23 2015 18:12 utc | 17 Anybody keeping up to date on MH370? Had a friend that has been trying to rap his mind around all the conflicting info and phoned me to ask what I knew. It has been off my radar for quite some time but his inquiry rekindled my interest. Posted by: juannie | May 23 2015 18:56 utc | 18 PS Posted by: juannie | May 23 2015 19:05 utc | 19 A criticism of the British NGO “Iraq Body Count”, an organization that puts out an extremely low count of the deaths related to the US-UK invasion of Iraq. @19 and then what? Locked himself in the cabin? The minute food ran low, he’d be first choice for the airplane microwave I think… @8 jackrabbit.. i agree your viewpoint re the comments @3, 5 and additionally @15.. Posted by: james | May 23 2015 19:40 utc | 23 Sadly, Russia Insider confirms the very bad news at 17. From their report:
I hope this is not Novorossiya’s Luxemburg/Liebknecht moment, where the proto-fascist Freikorps removed the most capable of the German proletariat’s leaders. Let’s hope its more a Benigno Acquino moment, where the Marcos’ assassination of their strongest critic lead to their downfall. And that the murderers have sowed dragons teeth among Mozgovoy’s lieutenants stepping forward to finish the fight. Posted by: rufus magister | May 23 2015 20:00 utc | 24 @19 Posted by: jfl | May 23 2015 20:03 utc | 25 Mozgovoi was always a target, being a communist sympathizer as well as being one of the top commanders.. I hope they find who did it, but as it was an ambush, it could be anybody’s guess. Posted by: DamascusFalling | May 23 2015 20:08 utc | 26 juannie at 19 — On a completely different topic, I think I recall an earlier post where you noted your new feline arrival. How’s the little guy/gal doing? Of our three, two are having a big napping throwdown now, the third is out prowling his domain. Posted by: rufus magister | May 23 2015 20:12 utc | 27 The Ukrainians are blaming the Russians, Mozgovoy would not take their orders, they say. See this report, mentioning Rada member and Interior Ministry advisorAnton Gerashchenko. Bing Translate does an adequate job. Posted by: rufus magister | May 23 2015 20:37 utc | 28 Ukraine. Following on from Dener at 17 and others, Posted by: Noirette | May 23 2015 21:46 utc | 29 james@23 Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 23 2015 21:52 utc | 30 How Russian Industry is Coping with the Crisis
As usual, the neo-con brain trust’s lack of a long term prognosis of the effects of its quick fixes results in unintended consequences – which often (always?) are the opposite of their intentions. The split between the ideological clique and the financial clique is responsible for whipsaw effects like ‘John Kerry Admits Defeat on Ukraine’. Posted by: jfl | May 23 2015 22:16 utc | 31 Oh I thin MH-370 has a much simpler explanation. It was carrying a large cargo of lithium batteries, which went on fire, depressurised the plane knocking out the crew and passengers very quickly, caused various systems damage knocking out things like the transponder (etc). The plane then flew on with a dead crew and passengers until it ran out of fuel. Posted by: Lisa | May 23 2015 22:37 utc | 32 @17 – Whats the evidence for blaming this on Russia or others in East Ukraine? Anyone who knows the history of the Phoenix Program knows that these kinds of killings inside enemy territory are the CIA’s stock and trade. Not that we can say that occurred either. But is there any evidence as for who did what at this point? Speculation seems a little dangerous in such circumstances. US tracking has peaked since drilling activity is collapsing, and I $I $ success in Iraq and Syria has reduced Iraq (and Libya) oil production, North Sea continues to decline and Russia and Iran production is shut in by Zio-style Long Talks, so all is right is the US/UK/Sunning Axis of power. Greece will default and EUROPE get bailed out by Draghi;, Ukraine will default and I FEEL get bailed out by Kerry; TPP will go through, with 40,000,000 Blue Visa second-Clas servant class and unlimited H-1st Hindu technobots, yes, all is right in the world for Petroshska and Gladtoast. Posted by: Chipnik | May 23 2015 22:57 utc | 34 32 Posted by: Chipnik | May 23 2015 23:16 utc | 35 A great hero fighting against Ukrainian Neo Naziwaskilled today Posted by: Anunnaki | May 23 2015 23:17 utc | 36 First off, I have no real ideas or theories that I adhere to. It’s an interesting and perplexing mystery to me. I do sense a huge amount of deceit in officialdom. So what else is knew in that dept.? Posted by: juannie | May 23 2015 23:49 utc | 38 Chipnik #35 Posted by: juannie | May 23 2015 23:56 utc | 39 juannie at 38 Posted by: rufus magister | May 24 2015 2:23 utc | 40 Secret Pentagon report reveals West saw ISIS as strategic asset.
Posted by: Nana2007 | May 24 2015 3:14 utc | 41 jackrabbit said: If there had really been serious discussion about a rapproachment in the weeks before Sochi then the West would not have snubbed Russia so completely refusing to join in the Victory Day celebrations Posted by: ToivoS | May 24 2015 3:47 utc | 42 “I happen to believe that the Ukraine’s efforts to conquer the Donbass are done.” A Google News search for “Judicial Watch” or “Defense Intelligence Agency” shows that NO mainstream media sources have picked up that story. The few that do, some right wing rags, reference it only in terms of their political interest in Benghazi. @harry law@3 Posted by: Lone Wolf | May 24 2015 6:36 utc | 46 guest77 #44 But their war with Russia is only beginning. Posted by: ToivoS | May 24 2015 6:49 utc | 47 What is this eurovision deal? Some kind of inane nightmare? Posted by: urk quell | May 24 2015 7:53 utc | 48 daesh in Syria and Iraq = more than 40,000 fighters from more than 100 countries Posted by: Mina | May 24 2015 11:46 utc | 49 ToivoS @47 Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 24 2015 14:18 utc | 50 US’ proxy terrorists Posted by: okie farmer | May 24 2015 15:18 utc | 51 TovioS, jackrabbit, guest77, various nos., Banderastan
These revolve around the seeming security breakdown, perhaps due to spies within the Novorossiyan ranks. He quite correctly says a thorough and professional investigation is needed, and suggests Russian help is appropriate.
So I lean towards a renewal of action, but given the conflicting data, the confidence interval is not great. Posted by: rufus magister | May 24 2015 15:27 utc | 52 @rufus magister #24 Posted by: ǝn⇂ɔ | May 24 2015 15:28 utc | 53 War On Syria (pdf) Posted by: okie farmer | May 24 2015 15:43 utc | 54 http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2015/05/23/afghan-communists-dont-fade-away/ Posted by: okie farmer | May 24 2015 16:27 utc | 55 en1c — Well, we agree on two important facts. Everyone is stupid in at least one way, and to each their own. One of my own is perhaps to believe in the power of truth and esp. my own ability to detect and convey it. Posted by: rufus magister | May 24 2015 16:36 utc | 56 Iraq’s former national security advisor says most US fighter jets deployed to bomb terrorists in the Arab country return to their bases without engaging terrorist positions, Press TV reports. Rubaie also demanded the United States to speed up the process of supplying Iraq with weapons Iraqi forces require, saying Washington must immediately deliver the weapons and military hardware that Baghdad has paid for in the past.There are weapons that the Iraqi government has paid for in the past but has not received yet, Rubaie noted.http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/05/24/412628/US-ISIL-Iraq-Mowaffak-alRubaie Posted by: harry law | May 24 2015 16:57 utc | 57 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/24/john-mccain-obama-climate-change-isis-threat Posted by: okie farmer | May 24 2015 17:10 utc | 58 @52 rufus… i agree with jackrabbit @50 once again, lol… us foreign policy creates one disaster after another.. they don’t seem to give a fuck.. actually it seems intentional.. they are intent on making a mess where-ever they go.. that is what i draw from watching what unfolds on the ground.. sorry to sound boring, but all of it appears meant to support a military and financial industry complex that appears to run the country.. it has nothing to do with the people, or only in so far as amerikans are working in one of theose areas, or experiencing a reagan trickle down effect! Posted by: james | May 24 2015 17:12 utc | 59 They really do think we’re all idiots. Posted by: jayc | May 24 2015 18:17 utc | 60 The loss of Mozgovoy is very sad news. I venture a few comments here without knowing any of the details on Mozgovoy’s murder. However, there are a few facts that should not really be in dispute. Posted by: ToivoS | May 24 2015 18:49 utc | 61 If I may, a musical interlude. Don’t fret, there’s a little political content too.
I always thought of them as avant-garde rock meets avant-garde classical. Most classical music doesn’t appeal to me, but if you tart it up with a little R&R, ELO/ELP/Renaissance style, I’m all over that action. Posted by: rufus magister | May 24 2015 19:11 utc | 62 “I read somewhere that Mozgovoy was a communist.” Posted by: neretva’43` | May 24 2015 19:26 utc | 63 Folks —
Should further evidence be required, I recommend this Russia Insider repost from The Nation, a Profile of Novorossiya’s Most Radical Rebel Commander. He gets props from Col. Cassad and Boris Kagarlitsky. Posted by: rufus magister | May 24 2015 20:16 utc | 64 Great thread, all. Thanks! Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | May 24 2015 20:50 utc | 65
I heard a physics professor make the same argument except the called for big rockets. Posted by: okie farmer | May 24 2015 21:15 utc | 66 @65 okie: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | May 24 2015 21:38 utc | 67 “John Kerry admits that the US has overplayed its/his hand in the Ukraine” Posted by: Willy2 | May 24 2015 21:39 utc | 68 Jackrabbit @ 8 Posted by: Alberto | May 24 2015 21:46 utc | 69 Patrick L. Smith: Posted by: Willy2 | May 24 2015 21:52 utc | 70 Dr. Y. at 64, 66 — Posted by: rufus magister | May 24 2015 22:09 utc | 71 I’ll apply my layman’s non-science to this. @willy2 – The Ukraine is being run under a terror regime, there’s no doubt of this. Average people who disagree with the war, or with the direction of the country are hiding in basements fearing for their lives. There are some extremely brave folks, who are coming out to protest, but they fall victim to being arrest, torture or death. Paramilitaries are disappearing people. It is a real fascist environment such as anything seen since the darkest days of the Latin American dictatorships. 37 Posted by: Chipnik | May 24 2015 23:22 utc | 74 70 Posted by: Chipnik | May 24 2015 23:45 utc | 75 66 Posted by: Chipnik | May 25 2015 0:05 utc | 76 Chipnik at 74 — Posted by: rufus magister | May 25 2015 0:52 utc | 77 @74 Chipnikh: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | May 25 2015 2:15 utc | 79 okay, very stupid question: If uranium has to be refined to be useful, then why can’t it just be diluted back into the earth where it was mined from to be made safe again? Or does it’s conversion into nuclear fuel somehow make it eternally dangerous? guest77#79: Or does it’s conversion into nuclear fuel somehow make it eternally dangerous? No it doesn’t. However after it undergoes fision reactions it becomes what is called spent fuel. The U238 is now gone. It has been converted into many different chemical compounds some of which are very radioactive with half lives in the 100s to 1000s of years. Some of these radioactive compounds include iodine, strontium (a calcium mimic), cesium (a potassium mimic), zinc and others. Unlike uranium, these are trace elements that are concentrated into biological food chains and are very soluble in water. U238 basically sinks to the bottom of the ocean and stays there. The fission products I mentioned recycle through living organisms. Posted by: ToivoS | May 25 2015 3:31 utc | 82 Alberto @68 says: Did you happen to notice that Kerry went to Sochi to meet the Russians? One in a dominant strategic position does not do the kneeling now do they? Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 25 2015 3:36 utc | 83 Based on trends as to where humanity is going, I don’t think nuke waste will be much of a concern. Nuclear plants will, if licenses for existing plants continue to get extended until they meltdown Posted by: DamascusFalling | May 25 2015 3:53 utc | 84 Let me get back to something I actually know something about. Posted by: rufus magister | May 25 2015 4:19 utc | 85 India’s reaction to the China-Pakistan $45 billion gas and oil, road and communications development news shows that Narendra Modi is playing for the U.S., anti-economic-development side. He’s trumping up disagreements over matters long settled (c’mon, Kashmir’s line of control hasn’t changed in decades). Very petty of him and Indian nationalists. China is trying to buy him onto its side ($22 billion in aid and projects). I recommend it try a lot harder.
Posted by: fairleft | May 25 2015 7:07 utc | 87 http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000003608354/details-given-of-iran-nuclear-agreement.html Posted by: okie farmer | May 25 2015 7:09 utc | 88 We proletarian aktiv now have our own Dale Carnegie to promote the power of positive thinking. Courtesy of TruthOut, A HREF=”http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30859-feeling-trapped-in-a-dead-end-system-cartoonist-stephanie-mcmillan-s-affirmations-encourage-resistance”>Feeling Trapped in a Dead-End System? Cartoonist’s Affirmations Encourage Resistance.
She explains it as follows: Posted by: rufus magister | May 25 2015 14:26 utc | 89 oops, cleanup at Aisle 89 Posted by: rufus magister | May 25 2015 14:27 utc | 90 @rufus magister #56 Posted by: ǝn⇂ɔ | May 25 2015 16:19 utc | 91 When I read terms such as, useful, robust redundancies, and operate safely used to describe Nuke Power I have to wonder what planet the writer inhabits. Here on Planet Amerika there are 108 highly contaminated nuke sites, there is currently 71,780 metric tons of high level nuke waste that grows by 2000 tons a year, with no reliable or safe storage site and there are thousands of acres contaminated with mine and mill waste much of it in my state, this is just in the US. All Nuke power plants leak and all areas downwind are contaminated. Posted by: Wayoutwest | May 25 2015 17:19 utc | 92 @92 Posted by: Wayoutwest | May 25 2015 17:31 utc | 93 @19 (juannie) Posted by: citizen X | May 25 2015 19:35 utc | 94 With Iran and Japan or any ‘Nuke’+Uranium issues, why not just use Thorium reactors? Posted by: kjs | May 25 2015 22:42 utc | 95 The women’s suffrage movement in the UK was brilliant. Arson, suffragette bodyguards learning jujitsu, storming Westminister and more. With UK government reprisals including force feeding a la todays Guantanamo Bay.
Of course it’s said “oh they were too militant, they held back the movement” but then when is that not said about a successful, militant movement? in re 91, 92 Posted by: rufus magister | May 26 2015 0:36 utc | 97 All I need,is one more blurb, thanking our “Heros” in the US military for defending our freedoms, and I’ll puke. Posted by: ben | May 26 2015 0:39 utc | 98 ps to 97 — And how many Superfund sites? Let’s quit making chemicals, metal, etc., right? Posted by: rufus magister | May 26 2015 0:41 utc | 99 |
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