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May 10, 2015
Open Thread 2015-21
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This will make some waves …
Score one more for Uncle Joe
h/t https://twitter.com/RedKahina Posted by: ruralito | May 10 2015 17:46 utc | 2 US debt held by the Federal Reserve: Another record high at the end of 2014! Posted by: nmb | May 10 2015 18:10 utc | 3 The White House’s story might have been written by Lewis Carroll. Posted by: jo6pac | May 10 2015 18:30 utc | 4 @1 b – sorta right along with what the angry arab is saying today on this and your previous post on liz sly… the offical bullshite and the reality so very different most all the time.. Posted by: james | May 10 2015 18:41 utc | 5 Nuland’s Neo-cretins apparently have their eyes on Macedonia. Posted by: Maracatu | May 10 2015 19:10 utc | 6 “US Debt held by the Federal Reserve: Another record high at the end of 2014” Posted by: paulmeli | May 10 2015 21:08 utc | 7 Bernie Sanders on Domestic policies for the 2016 “election”: Posted by: ben | May 11 2015 2:33 utc | 8 From TRNN on the UK “election”: Posted by: ben | May 11 2015 2:38 utc | 9 https://archive.org/details/@altviewstv-fanclub
Posted by: guest77 | May 11 2015 2:42 utc | 10 http://www.businessinsider.com/seymour-hersh-white-house-osama-bin-laden-2015-5 Posted by: mir | May 11 2015 2:46 utc | 11 @1 – wow, so basically our capture of Osama Bin Laden was more like the Pakistanis letting us execute on of their prisoners? This was all another pathetic “branding exercise” by the US military along the lines of the b.s. storylines reminiscent of the lies told to us about Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman?
Another in a long string of lies. How “brave” our troops are, to rush in and murder a prisoner in a corrupt exchange of $25M! Posted by: guest77 | May 11 2015 2:51 utc | 12 @ruralito – absolutely. Michael Parenti discusses this in his “The Real Causes of World War 2”: http://noliesradio.org/archives/32286
Posted by: guest77 | May 11 2015 3:03 utc | 13 While the Hersch story is interesting, whenever I see his name the first thought in my head is always “limited hangout.” In other words, he is giving up a piece of the story (or his intel contacts are) in order to distract from something much more important. What that is we can only guess. Since the entire 9/11 official narrative is horse manure, I’m assuming the US knew exactly where “Bin Laden” was since forever and decided to off their asset because he became a liability. Posted by: Lysander | May 11 2015 4:06 utc | 14 @ruralito, 2, and guest77, 12: Posted by: Vintage Red | May 11 2015 4:32 utc | 15 @Lysander hey maybe it’s pay back against Pakistani military for refusing to assist Saudi attack on Yemen Posted by: mir | May 11 2015 5:08 utc | 17 “A worrying factor at this early point, according to the retired official, was Saudi Arabia, which had been financing bin Laden’s upkeep since his seizure by the Pakistanis. ‘The Saudis didn’t want bin Laden’s presence revealed to us because he was a Saudi, and so they told the Pakistanis to keep him out of the picture. The Saudis feared if we knew we would pressure the Pakistanis to let bin Laden start talking to us about what the Saudis had been doing with al-Qaida. And they were dropping money – lots of it.” Posted by: mir | May 11 2015 5:11 utc | 18 “The Pakistanis, in turn, were concerned that the Saudis might spill the beans about their control of bin Laden. The fear was that if the US found out about bin Laden from Riyadh, all hell would break out. The Americans learning about bin Laden’s imprisonment from a walk-in was not the worst thing.’” Posted by: mir | May 11 2015 5:14 utc | 19 @ruralito, 2, guest77, 12, and vintage red 14 Posted by: jfl | May 11 2015 6:36 utc | 20 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/11/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-king-wont-attend-camp-david-meeting.html Posted by: okie farmer | May 11 2015 6:38 utc | 21 b1 Posted by: NoReply | May 11 2015 6:57 utc | 22 I think Hersh’s story is a response to that all-weather strategic partnership between China and Pakistan (which allowed them to refuse the Saudi offer). Posted by: jaqwith | May 11 2015 7:04 utc | 23 17 Posted by: NoReply | May 11 2015 7:37 utc | 24 Re: Sy Hersch piece on bin Laden: If I recall correctly, it was reported that the entire SEAL team that “killed” “bin Laden” had themselves died when their helicopter went down in an unrelated accident over Afghanistan. How is it that a couple of these dead guys are now writing books and giving interviews about their amazing feats of strength? Even Hersch mentions two of them without comment on their return from the dead. Posted by: teri | May 11 2015 8:48 utc | 25 @teri Posted by: okie farmer | May 11 2015 8:54 utc | 26 More about the China-Pakistan megaproject . Key quote: “China treats us as a friend, an ally, a partner and above all an equal – not how the Americans and others do.” yep, Seymour Hersh sure knows his onions! or at least how to recreate them. peeling on gossamer layer after gossamer layer he reconstructs a pungent veggie. Posted by: john | May 11 2015 10:09 utc | 29 http://tass.ru/en/world/794062 Posted by: okie farmer | May 11 2015 10:09 utc | 30 Lysander @ 13 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32688063 Posted by: okie farmer | May 11 2015 11:53 utc | 32 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/05/11/liby-m11.html Posted by: okie farmer | May 11 2015 12:21 utc | 33 @29 I think the active unit died in the crash. Not everyone from the Bin Laden op stayed a Seal. Given the state of promotion in the military, it would be a sensible time to retire. Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | May 11 2015 12:33 utc | 34 this is a good video Posted by: okie farmer | May 11 2015 12:40 utc | 35 Heard this on the radio this morning: Posted by: okie farmer | May 11 2015 13:14 utc | 36 31;The NY lying times wonders why the refugees in the Med have increased.sheesh. Posted by: dahoit | May 11 2015 13:31 utc | 37
No, KSA is following orders from the Zionist regime. Posted by: okie farmer | May 11 2015 14:40 utc | 38 Nice. CNN.com home page is all about Hersh article. Making waves indeed. Posted by: guest77 | May 11 2015 15:50 utc | 39 @okie farmer@29 Posted by: Lone Wolf | May 11 2015 16:06 utc | 40 I think George Galloway losing his seat is a tragic loss. I sure hope Naz Shah is worth all those votes. I can’t see that she was from the debates – she frankly looked childish. Posted by: guest77 | May 11 2015 16:17 utc | 41 angry arab had this on it’s site – Gaza: Children in crisis… thought i would share it. Posted by: james | May 11 2015 16:57 utc | 42 No doubt there are some pretty deeply wrong things with the USSR, but it sure wasn’t the things that the capitalists will tell you were wrong w/ it. Posted by: guest77 | May 11 2015 17:03 utc | 43 and in harpers canuck-stained world “Ottawa considering hate charges against those who boycott Israel.” Posted by: james | May 11 2015 17:03 utc | 44 After the imminent debacle of Yemen and Syria and the realization of its military impotence despite its ‘pact’ with Turkey, a powerful but paralyzed military, the King of Saudi Arabia will come back crawling in front of Obama for protection. Posted by: Virgile | May 11 2015 17:38 utc | 45 Posted by: guest77 | May 10, 2015 11:03:24 PM | 12 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 11 2015 18:00 utc | 46 More on Galloway: http://rt.com/uk/257461-george-galloway-voting-malpractice/ Posted by: guest77 | May 11 2015 18:35 utc | 47 On the Galloway link above, be sure to check out the comments. Posted by: guest77 | May 11 2015 18:35 utc | 48 @Hoarsewhisperer Posted by: guest77 | May 11 2015 18:40 utc | 49 I wonder if in ten years most or at least a large number of Americans will still believe the zero dark nonsense like they still think Iraq had wmds. Whatever really happened and whatever the motivation for the Hersh piece I think there’s some value in peering behind the curtain at the machinations and motivations of the players involved in the cover story debacle. Posted by: Colinjames | May 11 2015 18:40 utc | 50 re: 44 Posted by: jayc | May 11 2015 19:09 utc | 51 @44, @51 Posted by: jfl | May 11 2015 20:12 utc | 52 a line from Parenti, posted by guest77 at 12 Posted by: Noirette | May 11 2015 20:16 utc | 53 @52 Well it’s Canada. Don’t look for blood in the streets. It does seem like Justin Trudeau bent over a bit too far for some people. Posted by: dh | May 11 2015 20:50 utc | 54 @53 Agree completely. The US would love to turn Ukraine into a new bulwark. Even if Russia commits to full war against Ukraine – then whats the big deal. You’ve just destroyed two parts of your former enemy and you’ll be there to pick up the pieces, 1945-style. Posted by: guest77 | May 11 2015 21:14 utc | 55 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fears-that-iran-busting-sanctions-after-mahan-air-purchases-nine-airbuses-1500785 Posted by: okie farmer | May 11 2015 21:29 utc | 56 @51 jayc – good comments.. canada has shifted to the far right under the fuehrer harper.. the other parties are chicken shits that don’t know how to stand up to this move to the right.. problem is the move to the right has happened all over western countries, from obomber to murkel. the spelling is intentional.. these slime balls would try to sell warmongering pre packaged in shiny paper and glitter to whoever is ignorant enough to want to buy into any of it.. Posted by: james | May 11 2015 21:42 utc | 57 @52 Posted by: jfl | May 11 2015 21:46 utc | 58 Well, the ‘conservatives’ lost in Alberta, apparently. And the Germans rallied in Berlin. Posted by: jfl | May 11 2015 23:01 utc | 59 Couple of interesting pieces up at the saker:
and Andrew Korbykos on incompatible exceptionalism:
Posted by: Nana2007 | May 11 2015 23:19 utc | 60 ‘The self-hating Russian’: https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2015/05/11/the-self-hating-russian/ Posted by: Anon | May 12 2015 0:25 utc | 61 The turning point for the rise of corporate governance in America: Posted by: ben | May 12 2015 4:07 utc | 62 @58 jfl.. what are you trying to say about ted cruz in relation to canada? you might be right for all i know..i see the guy was born in calgary.. i don’t know much of anything about him, other then that it looks as though he did a straight bee line into being some hard right wing jack ass.. Posted by: james | May 12 2015 5:43 utc | 63 @63 Posted by: jfl | May 12 2015 5:54 utc | 65 http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/al-jazeera-plays-a-dangerous-game-in-egypt-10240116.html Posted by: Mina | May 12 2015 7:42 utc | 66 Nana2007 at 60: Here’s the link to that excellent piece by Korybykos with the excellent advice to pay attention closely to both the emerging alliances. On: Exceptionalists vs. Integrationalists, at the Saker, posted by nana2007 at 60. Posted by: Noirette | May 12 2015 14:41 utc | 69 @65 jfl.. thanks.. alberta is the texas of the north.. both living on the oil and bible punching country with tv evangelicals falling out of the sky periodically.. Posted by: james | May 12 2015 16:21 utc | 70 It’s easy to forget that Alberta was where the quasi Nazi Social Credit Party was first founded and where it won provincial government in the 1930’s. Posted by: Debs is dead | May 13 2015 6:09 utc | 71 Does anyone have insight into what’s up in Macedonia. The government has been caught out mixing up their party’s political structure with the Ministry of the Interior by all accounts. Posted by: Debs is dead | May 13 2015 6:28 utc | 72 Smells like another NED/ Gene Sharp/ Yankee “killing his own people” frame-up to me (and Russia). Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 13 2015 7:09 utc | 73 Order up! One lobotomy for the Zomby Woof at 58. “It seem to me that it just ain’t wise.” Posted by: rufus magister | May 13 2015 11:49 utc | 74 Noirette @69: I was commenting on the same article, and disagreeing in a similar way to you. I would take the additional step of understanding that more or less the US is simply the biggest and most important client of Western financial capital. Israel is also on that home team, as are the UK, Germany, France, Canada and the other ‘Anglo’ former British colonies, NATO, and the core institutions of the EU. Saudi Arabia is different, one of the most corrupt and well-compensated of the neo-colonized nations to be played with, ‘failed’ or destroyed by ‘Western finance’ in its efforts to maintain/advance world hegemony. oh fair left at 75 just above i agree… Posted by: Noirette | May 13 2015 18:22 utc | 76 noirette at 76 — Posted by: rufus magister | May 14 2015 0:00 utc | 77 further to 77, from Kerry in Sochi Signifies US Is Tired of Ukraine.
For those who missed his promise to retake the airport and memorialize its Banderaist defenders, see here. Posted by: rufus magister | May 14 2015 11:41 utc | 78 DID at 72 — Starikov via Fort Russ says — US is gingering up trouble to forestall the Turkish Stream pipeline project. Posted by: rufus magister | May 14 2015 11:50 utc | 79 After Lobbying by Obama, Senate Agrees to Vote on Trade Bill After All
Senate Democrats Fold, Obama To Get Fast-Track On TPP
Let’s continue to sit on our thumbs, fellow zombified cogs. Popular sovereignty is about to become history. Posted by: jfl | May 14 2015 21:24 utc | 80 in re 80
“Livin’ the dream” we like to say here in the Mid-Atlantic, though typically ironically. For now. Posted by: rufus magister | May 14 2015 23:27 utc | 81 I don’t know if there are anyone here interested in graphic novels such as The Watchmen and/or American Splendor but I’ve found Brought to Light online. It is two graphic novels from 1989 about the Christic Institute case. @82
I guess the Brought to Light comic, The Secret Team, more or less outlines the wide-ranging charges brought in that case as a horror story and Flashpoint, The La Penca Bombing, gives the actual facts? I haven’t finished the horror story yet, much less got to the actual facts. Posted by: jfl | May 16 2015 9:05 utc | 83 @82 Posted by: jfl | May 16 2015 10:27 utc | 84 Andrew Korybko at Russia Insider discusses the growing convergence of the tactics of “color revolution” and “unconventional war.” In examining Macedonia in light of Syria and the Ukraine, US-Russia Round Three: Macedonia highlights the role of Russia as the target of Western plans for confrontation.
This would seem to conflict with reports that the US is tiring of the Ukraine. But it is consistent with the American pattern — roll in, smash stuff, put your preferred client in office and declare “victory.” And then on to destabilize the next target. Posted by: rufus magister | May 16 2015 13:01 utc | 85 For all you fans of graphic novels, here’s a rarity from 1991. The text is Russian, but I’m sure you can make sense of the pictures. And of course you could follow along with your own personal (unillustrated) version of Engels Origins of the Family, Private Property, & the State. Posted by: rufus magister | May 16 2015 13:46 utc | 86 Here’s a quick guide on how to make a real zombie. I could be wrong, but our little PravSek malchik doesn’t look very happy.
As I noted in an earlier posting, with our youth today more sympathetic than my generation to socialism, the replication of docile labor here is a becoming a bit more problematic. Add in a generation of urban youth more imprisoned than educated in public schools, and the manufacture of consent grows increasingly problematic. Posted by: rufus magister | May 16 2015 14:23 utc | 87 in re to the discussion of the Soviet Union interwar diplomacy at 53, 20, 14, 12 & 2
In the thirties, the object was clear — destruction of the deformed workers state. Posted by: rufus magister | May 16 2015 15:03 utc | 88 Kerry’s visit to Sochi was the first show, now the other tasseled Gucci loafer drops. According to the venerable NYT, the Sochi meeting was A diplomatic victory, and affirmation, for Putin.
The motivation is a mix of the need for Russian help in the Middle East, as well as the fear that the Euroclients will not renew sanctions. Posted by: rufus magister | May 16 2015 20:08 utc | 89 Who do you think will win the hockey finals today? Posted by: Anonymous | May 17 2015 7:25 utc | 90 Reese Ehrlich: Posted by: Willy2 | May 17 2015 15:27 utc | 91 Not surprisingly, Kiev is not happy with the White House/Kremlin detente. Kyiv Post conveniently supplies the following item from Reuters (dateline Kiev, of course), West clings to fraying Ukraine peace deal despite Kiev doubts.
Ah, it’s spring on the steppes, and a young fascist’s thoughts turn to — provocations? Will there be more glory for the heroes? Of course, it will be a response to “Moscow’s” “offensive.” We shall see…. Posted by: rufus magister | May 17 2015 15:36 utc | 92 |
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