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April 10, 2015
Reward NYT’s David D. Kirkpatrick By No Longer Hitting Him

This editorializing is part of a news-piece in today's New York Times:

Mr. Kerry said he was seeking to reassure allies, including Saudi Arabia, that the United States could “do two things at the same time.” The United States could help push back against Iranian attempts to project its influence around the region, he argued, while at the same time negotiating a deal that would reward Tehran for providing guarantees that it was not building nuclear weapons.

Someone should ask the NYT writer, David D. Kirkpatrick, if no longer hitting him in the face would be a "reward" for him.

How can lifting "punishing sanction" for something Tehran has long provided be a "reward"?

Iran has a long time ago given guarantees to not build nuclear weapons. It signed and ratified the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons in 1968. The "reward" for that was the unkept promise by the nuclear weapon states to get rid of their weapons.

One wonders why such editorializing structure like the use of "reward" here is allowed in a news piece. Then again: It is the New York Times and most "news" therein is now expected to be editorializing propaganda. If only the "journalist" writing that stuff would stop to pretend otherwise. We could then "reward" them by no longer hitting them.

Comments

lol..””Saudi Arabia has said it is bombing the Houthis because it sees them as an instrument of Iranian power”” chicken shits.. why not just bomb iran let mccain has been saying all along? and for that the usa is a okay with it too? lol..
“Washington was “not going to stand by while the region is destabilized,” Mr. Kerry said in an interview with “PBS NewsHour” on Wednesday night.” rof… no, washington is going to add fuel to the fire any way it can!!!
“The United States has recently increased the provision of logistical support, intelligence and weapons to the Saudi campaign, just days after the announcement of a framework for a nuclear deal with Iran.”
i think i need to take some serious drugs after reading that nyt article!! my brain has been messed with so much, reading moa is not going to be enough relief!

Posted by: james | Apr 10 2015 19:07 utc | 1

And Kirkpatrick is the probably the best foreign correspondent that the NYT employs. Tim Arango is good; Kareem Fahim, too. Rod Nordland and Anne Barnard border on the loathsome. I think it just goes with the territory. As Don Bacon once said here on your page, b., “If it were otherwise, they would find themselves on the unemployment line.”
Overall I appreciate the anti-Prince Mohamed tilt of Kirkpatrick’s piece. It is becoming settled opinion, thanks in part to reporting by Kirkpatrick and Fahim, that Mohamed is a spoiled, impulsive, ignorant Saudi royal given too much power and he’s fomenting genocide.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Apr 10 2015 19:58 utc | 2

The thing to realise b (and I dare say that you do) is that the the US elite and a large section of the society that’s been colonised by it, subscribe to Game Theory – all that Rand corporation psychobabble using logic gates and stuff to make it look scientific. Very influenced by Ayn Rand, or so I’ve heard from one Adam Curtis. In a nutshell (if I’ve got it right): we’re a bunch of unalloyed arseholes and sociopaths, all of us, and everyone and every group are basically understandable and may be manipulated just like PAVLOV’S DOGS: there is Reward and there is Punishment – that is it.
See: Episode One of “The Trap”: F**k You Buddy
(No, not you! It’s really called that!)
[He goes on these journeys of the intellectual imagination, sometimes hitting the nail on head but by often neglecting some very big pictures – don’t blame me!]
It’s basically Behaviourism isn’t it? which is nearly everywhere these days.
My first post here. Hallo!

Posted by: MadeNotBorn | Apr 10 2015 20:08 utc | 3

@3, not found

Posted by: ruralito | Apr 10 2015 20:53 utc | 4

AmeriKa’s Pravda bullhorn is at it again. I would use it for toilet paper, but that would be an insult to my anus.
The hypocrisy is insane, coming out of Washington. I believe the Obama govt, in trying to satisfy many different groups with different agendas (plus having little to no backbone) is what contributes to this two-faced, hypocritical, schizophrenic-on-its-face policies. It appears they are unable or unwilling to say NO to anyone in any meaningful way. It’s like they are flinging handfuls of poo at the wall, and whatever sticks the longest, that’s what they settle on.

Posted by: farflungstar | Apr 10 2015 21:23 utc | 5

US: Iran sanctions will be removed in phases

“Sanctions will be suspended in a phased manner upon verification that Iran has met specific commitments under a finalized joint comprehensive plan of action.”
Earlier, Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani had declared that Iran would not sign any final nuclear agreement unless “all economic sanctions are totally lifted on the same day.”

I don’t think the Iranians are going to bend over for the likes of John Kerry, Barack Obama, and their superiors in Israel and Las Vegas.
Russia, China, Pakistan, Turkey, Oman, and Iran will put an end to this ‘swell’, murderous adventure by the USA and the new king of the KSA.

Posted by: jfl | Apr 10 2015 23:06 utc | 6

MadeNotBorn | Apr 10, 2015 4:08:58 PM | 3
Why blame Game Theory? It is a very powerful tool to plot a future course in the face of many uncertainties. It is value free. It requires a set of clearly defined rules — works fine in poker and other types of unmanipulated games of chance. Also works in the investment world provided the banksters do not step in and change the rules. The problem with using it in foreign policy and America’s war making decisions is that we are continuing to change the rules in any given confrontation in a manner to provide the US with an advantage.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 10 2015 23:19 utc | 7

A little OT here. I just heard the NPR news on radio and listened to that discussion show with the insufferable David Brooks. The topic was Rand Paul’s presidency bid. Brooks made an incredible statement. He thought Rand’s anti-interventionist rhetoric was now dated. He thought it would have had some resonance 3 years ago but not today because of the emergence of ISIS. Implied here is that the American people are again riled up because of ISIS (perhaps like they were after 911) and are ready for more war.
I have to admit that I thought that people here who argued that ISIS was a creation of American imperialism and its war party were just a little wacky on the side of conspiracy theories of history. Is it possible that the war party here in the US helped create ISIS to dampen the antiwar sentiments that began to emerge after the Iraqi fiasco? (those sentiments are real, it was only a few months ago that 60% of the American people gave a solid answer ‘no’ to the question should the US go to war against Iran).

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 10 2015 23:35 utc | 8

@jfl #6:
I don’t think the Iranians are going to bend over for the likes of John Kerry, Barack Obama, and their superiors in Israel and Las Vegas.
USG is overplaying its hand as usual. If USG rationally pursued its goal of nudging Iran back into the US orbit, in order to weaken Russia, it would give Iran what it wants – lifting of all economic sanctions once the nuclear agreement is signed – especially given that there has never been an Iranian nuclear weapons program that poses a threat to anyone, so that making this concession to Iran would not damage US interests in any way (as opposed to ruffling Israel’s and KSA’s feathers).
The USG has become so megalomaniacal that it just can’t keep itself from shitting on a power that it sees as an adversary, even when doing so is counterproductive. A good example of that is that the Obama administration continued to make provocations against China, even after it started the new phase of its fourth generation war against Russia, when it should have done everything in its power to placate China, to keep China from cozying up to Russia.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 11 2015 0:02 utc | 9

@8 toivos.. the short history on that is to go back to al qaeda, afganistan and who was responsible for what.. it isn’t much of a jump to notice since the usa is into hiring blackwater to do fallujah that the usa would also come up with the coy idea of creating – never tacit of course – isis – to do something similar to a theatre in the middle east.. none of this shit ever happens here in the west or where one would think these big bad muslim terrorists would have a legitimate reason to be pissed.. no – always over their somewhere.. well – long story short – isis sure looks like another made in the usa (or neocon central) type creation to me – always has..

Posted by: james | Apr 11 2015 0:15 utc | 10

@9
I think the US is run by rival gangs of vandals who alternate in the wheelhouse at the Whitehouse, and that the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate helmsman just follows the orders of whichever gang is presently in charge. The 535 criminals suborned in the Congress follow now this or that gang, depending upon the near-term rewards offered to them individually.
@8
ISIS is just the successor to the al Qaeda … or al CIAda as some wags write.

Posted by: jfl | Apr 11 2015 1:45 utc | 11

@ 8: This may interest you:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-relationship-between-washington-and-isis-the-evidence/5435405

Posted by: ben | Apr 11 2015 4:19 utc | 12

#12 ben. Yes this does interest me. It is consistent with other things I have read.
#10 james. There have been a number of indisputable facts.
In the late seventies Israel supported Hamas as a way of undermining the influence of the PLO in the West Bank and Gaza. This fact is not in dispute.
In 1979 the US provided support for the forces in Afghanistan that eventually became what is known as the Taliban today. This fact is not in dispute.
In the early 1980s the US supported Saudi Arabia as it spread its Wahabi interpretation of Islam in Afghanistan and the bordering territories in Pakistan. This fact is not in dispute.
The CIA supported that group from Saudi Arabia now known as Al qaida in Afghanistan in the 1980s. This fact is not in dispute.
In 2011 the US supported Islamists forces in Libya that succeeded in destroying the Qadaffi government using NATO air power. That fact is not in dispute.
About the same time the US supported the rebellion against the Assad government in Syria. Again that fact is not in dispute. After the failure of those forces to overthrow the Assad government, those rebel forces have morphed into two major forces — what is known as Al nusra (explicitly an Al qaida wing of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood that started the civil war) and a splinter group from them that is now known as ISIS. This should be a fact not in dispute.
What has always struck me is that all of these Islamists groups declare they oppose Israel have never attacked an Israeli target. Indeed they have attracted thousands of Muslims from Europe and the US convincing many to become suicide bombers but their victims always seem to be fellow Muslims. There is of course, the Jihadi John character and a few others that kill a few Americans and Europeans, but for the most part they kill Iraqi and Syrian Muslims. (It seems that recently these killers are targeting Arab Christians as well).
What has really perplexed me is how the ISIS forces have convinced European Muslims to go to Syria and Iraq and kill fellow Muslims there but avoid attacking Israeli, European and American targets. What kind of brainwashing have those recruits gone through to attack their fellow country men after being motivated to go to war in the first place to resist Western imperialism? This is a serious puzzle and I do not at all know the answer.
This is getting too long, but I am not even close to answering the above questions.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 11 2015 5:28 utc | 13

@TovioS #13:
What has really perplexed me is how the ISIS forces have convinced European Muslims to go to Syria and Iraq and kill fellow Muslims there but avoid attacking Israeli, European and American targets. What kind of brainwashing have those recruits gone through
Well, first they have been brainwashed by the European corporate media and public education, and then they have undergone a second brainwashing by Saudi sponsored Salafists. After all that, I don’t expect they have very much unwashed brains left.
To put it another way, unless they have an exceptional education, European Muslims have two main cultural reference points: what passes for European culture nowadays (which is constructed by US-controlled media) and the variety of Islam pushed by the KSA. Since these two cultural reference points are apparently diametrically opposed, chances are that most European Muslims suppose that the truth must lie somewhere between the two. Of course, since the narratives produced by both are false, that is an incorrect supposition.
(h/t to Joaquin Flores for bringing up this kind of cognitive error in one of his essays)

Posted by: Demian | Apr 11 2015 5:57 utc | 14

@13 toivos.. good post.. things aren’t what they seem.. there is a vested interest on the part of some to keep it that way. the media for the most part, seems to be complicit in this too.. people need to ask more questions. that is generally how i see it.. most don’t..

Posted by: james | Apr 11 2015 6:07 utc | 15

@13
‘… how the ISIS forces have convinced European Muslims to go to Syria and Iraq and kill …’
They have no money, they have no work, they are offered pay, they go. They know something’s fucked up. They have adopted an absolute, religious perspective on good and evil. They kill the bad guys. They get paid.
Not at all unlike the personnel of the American armed forces.

Posted by: jfl | Apr 11 2015 6:12 utc | 16

Well, there are sanctions and sanctions (against Iran).
UN sanctions (several resolutions – resting on IAEA matters, arms embargo, finance)
USA (total economic embargo, arms, individuals, banks, etc.)
EU sanctions (finance, trade, oil, insurance)
Australia, Canada, India, Israel, Japan .. (individuals, arms, finance…)
So when Kerry and others talk about lifting sanctions or phasing them out, they are being deliberately obfuscating. One can imagine a situation where say the UN sanctions would be lifted, whereupon the EU (has always been recalcitrant, and some of these sanctions have been declared illegal by the EU court, following complaints from Iran – there are also cases pending iirc at the WTO) would lift theirs, under UN ‘cover.’ Others (such as India) would then follow, as nobody wants to miss out on the splendid trade fairs with the lovely Persian girls and juicy contracts. This would then leave the US sanctions … I have no idea if such a scenario is realistic, but it is obviously considerations like this that have made the negotiations so complicated and lengthy.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 11 2015 7:55 utc | 17

@Noirette #17:
One can imagine a situation where say the UN sanctions would be lifted
Yes, one can imagine such a situation, and lifting economic sanctions on Iran would have to start with the UN sanctions, because the anti-Iran UNSC resolutions are what convey legitimacy to all the other sanctions. But do you seriously believe that the US would allow the UN sanctions to be lifted once an agreement is reached, as Iran demands? So the complications you mention are besides the point, as far as I can tell.
I am still under the impression that the USG falsely believes that it can trick Iran into substantially downgrading its nuclear program without giving Iran anything tangible in return.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 11 2015 8:34 utc | 18

OT but “reward” makes it…
is this a modern way of money laundering? please explain!!
the police was alerted but did not show up; the guys came twice; the cameras, except the most obvious one, are said to have been disabled (but this did not produce an alert, on a holiday weekend, and for more than 5 hours!!)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-32263174
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hatton-garden-heist-cctv-watch-5496077

Posted by: Mina | Apr 11 2015 9:57 utc | 19

@17, @18
I think all ‘sanctions’ but the US’ (someone noted the inversion of the word’s meaning here a few weeks back) might be dropped. At which point the Iranians will just cross the USA off their list completely.
I read about the Iranians’ aged American jets, both civilian and military, which actually endanger the lives of their passengers. And other such stuff.
The Iranians will just buy European, Chinese, Russian, Brazilian … right across the board. And they’ll be buying lots more new stuff than otherwise, because the be scraping the unserviceable American iron. They’ll Join the AIIB, if they haven’t already. Jump on board the SCO. Use the Chinese/Russian interbanking system. Forget about America.
As far as the non-US sanctions go … I’m sure it will be the AIIB all over again, with everyone wanting to deal with Iran. Especially Europe. No matter the hissy fits thrown by the girls in the State Department. And if the US gets nasty about they may wll find themselves ‘sanctioned’ and in court outside the US besides. The past was ‘then’ and this is ‘now’.
It would certainly serve America right. It would be the first step to … ‘Sanctioned by the US? So what. Everyone who’s anyone is sanctioned by the US.’ And that will be like financial nuclear disarmament and the USA will have done it to itself.
Worse, it will be the USA ‘sanctioning’ the world. But that’s an exclusively Washington-centered perspective.
In fact it will be the US ‘sanctioned’ BY the world … and at its own intransigent insistence.

Posted by: jfl | Apr 11 2015 11:07 utc | 20

Demian at 18: Yes, one can imagine such a situation, and lifting economic sanctions on Iran would have to start with the UN sanctions, because the anti-Iran UNSC resolutions are what convey legitimacy to all the other sanctions.
Yes, moral legitimacy, and legal ‘cover.’ The sanctions I listed above by UN, USA, EU.. are all different. The UN afaik does not sanction individual bank accounts or visas for travel for ex. Nor does it concern itself with tennis equipment made in the USA (aka non-dual use), insurance or shipping (except to control cargo on paper), to pick two perhaps more important topics.
> See also jfl at 20.
Viewed with a purist eye, half or so (non following UN, pasted above them, or SWIFT for ex!) sanctions are illegitimate, which is what Iran has been arguing, and it has won several cases, and imho is set to win more (or drop the cases if…) Similarly, the present sanctions on Russia are illegal, a go-it-alone (with controlled poodles) move by the USA. The riposte by Russia as well which is why you often see the ‘sanitary controls – GMO’ argument invoked by them, they are covering their ass for cases at the WTO.
But do you seriously believe that the US would allow the UN sanctions to be lifted once an agreement is reached, as Iran demands? So the complications you mention are besides the point, as far as I can tell.
That is the sticking point, for sure. Actually no.. But UN sanctions can be softened, amended, and put under conditions. It is not a be-all, end-all frame. Complications besides the point, no, not on a larger scope or the movement of history. Individual country sanctions (Switzerland, Japan, India…even the EU..) can de dropped in part in days, as that is their biz. Particularly if they believe, as they seem to for the moment, that the US is all for normalizing relations with Iran. Deals are being planned as I write, the phones humming. In any case, all cultural / sport / exchange / minor commerce / bank accounts for ordinary Iranians outside Iran / etc. stuff is right back on board.
Don’t forget that Khamenei (sp) and Kerry are speaking to their home audiences and taking ‘tough’ positions (contrary to what was said in negotiations) that are ignored once around the table with esteemed colleagues and tasty eats. Khamenei, in his declarations, is also, imho, trying to dampen Iranian euphoria, warning there is many a slip between the cup and the lip, and if it all collapses, it won’t be because Iranian authorities lied /were naive/ etc.
Not that I find all this reassuring or positive etc. To me it is a sign that to counter and attack Russia, Iran needs to be ‘neutralized’, put on the back burner if you will – ultimately, if possible, no longer a Russian ‘ally’ or ‘partner.’ Along with this aim, Israel becomes insignificant, and is jettisoned, at least in part. Btw, Palestine has joined the ICC just recently, something Israel was absolutely determined to prevent.
Nobody cares about Iran’s nuclear program which is in any case presents no threat at all.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 11 2015 12:52 utc | 21

The title alone makes this a masterpiece(besides image it inspires).

Posted by: Dirty | Apr 11 2015 13:35 utc | 22

“What has really perplexed me is how the ISIS forces have convinced European Muslims to go to Syria and Iraq and kill fellow Muslims there but avoid attacking Israeli, European and American targets. What kind of brainwashing have those recruits gone through”
One would need to add the sex factor, I mean all the Yazidi girls which where promised to the ‘recruits’ as sex slaves etc.
And what would you expect from second and third generation of impoverished young men of immigrant background in the suburbs of e.g. Paris with absolute NO chance in life whatsoever.
Thus the formula is : Money , sex and butchering phantasies, quite an explosive combination….

Posted by: Sufi | Apr 11 2015 15:41 utc | 23

S@23
You have to separate the propaganda offered by the West, about the people joining the Islamic State, from the real and reported descriptions of the people who are giving up much to join this fight. There are certainly some of these people who fit the MSM description but there are also doctors and other professionals joining the cause including middle class students with opportunities they leave behind. They have broken free from the brainwashing of the West and see the Beast for what it truly is.
Before the liberation of Palestine can occur there must be a united Caliphate capable of matching the IDF and only fools would rush that cataclysm before they are ready.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Apr 11 2015 16:01 utc | 24

@21
‘But do you seriously believe that the US would allow the UN sanctions to be lifted …’
‘That is the sticking point, for sure. Actually no.. ‘
But they are UNSC ‘sanctions’, aren’t they? And so simply subject to veto?
Back in the day when they were originally instituted Russia was still trying to play Yogi the friendly bear to the USA … hoping to be a ‘partner’ … I think times have changed, have they not? Post AIIB a new day has dawned.
You mentioned the French noting that Breedlove is a flat-out liar above. Everyone hates a bully, and is gleeful and delighted when the worm finally turns. The US done lost its good thing now … ‘The way I used to love you baby, that’s the way I hate you now.’
Why not a simple veto of UNSC Iranian sanctions if it comes to that? The French might even demand BNP Paribus’ $USD 9 billion back.

Posted by: jfl | Apr 11 2015 22:43 utc | 25

at jfl, 25, UNSC decisions are repealed (replaced with new texts, changed, dropped) so frequently that heads spin. (One of the reasons why they aren’t followed..) Veto rights are reserved to Russia, F, UK, USA, China, as you know. If the US desires some change re. UNSC Iran sanctions, in a scotching or softening direction, that is that, as France and the UK would never dare veto a US initiative, and in this case, would probably even be for getting rid of sanctions (or parts etc.) for themselves. (E.g. France who wants to sell its cars and has had a lot of trouble..)
But perhaps I’m not interpreting your post correctly? There is some confusion around.
My posts on this matter all rest on the idea that ‘normalizing’ Iran – US + West relations is not just a fake US move to condemn Iran more thoroughly. Not because the US isn’t capable of such duplicity, but because the moves to ‘normalization’ have been costly and continue contentious and difficult. There was absolutely no need for these moves if all the US wanted was to isolate, punish, attack in any way or *bomb bomb* Iran – then the best is to just keep sanctions, enforce them, arm-twist, and/or take unilateral action, back Israel, etc. It is the wider geo-political aims that are at work here.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 12 2015 13:02 utc | 26

@26
I was thinking in terms of sanctions with time limits that had to be renewed. I had thought that the Iran sanctions were coming up for renewal in June or July and that not voting for them would amount to a veto of them.
But maybe that’s just the US/EU Ukrainian sanctions with the time limit? And the UNSC and EU Iranian sanctions go on forever and so require a Russian UNSC resolution passed by a coalition of the willing to lift them? I suppose the US could veto that … but then they would have single-handedly caused ALL the trouble for absolutely nothing, just as you say. Not impossible, though.
I have no idea what the US ‘real’ plan is in this specific instance. But I assume they are up to no good. It’s only prudent to do so, in my opinion.
Their goal is everyone else on their back and themselves standing tall, TINA. Just like in 1945. I don’t know how else to account for their devastation of so much of our world so far in this century. They’ve been in nostalgia land since Ronald Reagan. They want to replay all his old movies. Get back to the good ole days.
But I don’t think there is single godfather running Obama, I think it’s the godfather de jour … and financial, military, and garden variety crooks all take their turns making ‘policy’ for him to carry out.
Some people … accountants, probably … run in occasionally and point out that they cannot do it all (any of it, now) themselves, so they try to make lemons out of lemonade, I mean the other way around, from their point of view : allowing Iran (making it look like Iran is) back in the club, but doing it to keep Iran from the Russia/China alternative, really. At least opening some more daylight between Russia and Iran, assuming that they will become active competitors in the hydrocarbon market.
I think they still have dreams of the ‘if you have to ask what it costs you cant afford it’ variety … but they can’t afford it anymore. So they’re trying to make do on other peoples bankrolls. But their dreams are not only unrealizable, they are not in anyone else’s interest but (what they think is) their own. So the willing lackeys are getting less and less willing everyday, and running out of dough themselves, now that you mention it.
Can it be just coincidence that when the US begins to (pretends to) lift its foot from Iran’s throat, the Saudis (playing Uncle Scrooge with their money bin) start practicing their martial arts on Yemen? all the while announcing that its not really the Yemenis but the Iranians who are the problem? But all the Saudis have is money. The Pakis and the Egyotians want no part of this one.
Uncle Sam is getting to be the onliest one on his side. Israel never counted in that respect. It’s always been a liability, not an asset. An indulgence. ‘If you have to ask you can’t afford ’em’.
Maybe I’m just too ‘hopeful’. But I’m always trying to see a way for all of our bread to land butter side up.

Posted by: jfl | Apr 12 2015 14:33 utc | 27

Wayoutwest says:
Before the liberation of Palestine can occur there must be a united Caliphate capable of matching the IDF and only fools would rush that cataclysm before they are ready
well, at the rate the IDF and NATO are bombing Syrian and/or Iraqi assets and infrastructure, offering triage and intel to ISIS warriors and dropping them weapons, and turning a blind, skybound argus eye to their general movements, maybe it won’t be so long ’til Al-Quds is flying the black flag. whaddya say?

Posted by: john | Apr 12 2015 20:31 utc | 28