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March 01, 2015

Whodunnit?

So someone killed Boris Nemtsov while the 56 year old man walked with his 22 year old Ukrainian "model" on a bridge in Moscow. There is some CCTV coverage of the crime scene.

As vice-premier under Boris Yeltsin Nemtsov was at least partially responsible for the mafiazation of the Russian economy. Everyone but some oligarchs and the "western" neoliberals was happy when he and the Yeltsin gang had to leave.

After he was kicked out and until yesterday Nemtsov was a very minor opposition politician polling at some 1%. The communists, the real opposition party in Russia, poll at about 20%. No one in the government had reason to care about or fear Nemtsov.

The former Soviet president Gorbachov points to those who will gain from Nemtsov's death:

Asked if he thought anti-Russian forces abroad might exploit the crime in pursuit of their own ends, he argued this would definitely happen.

"Of course, certain forces will try to take advantage of this crime for their own ends - all of them are thinking how to get rid of Putin, aren't they? But I don't think, after all, that the West will go as far as that, that it will use that crime to attain its own purposes. However, that was unquestionably the goal of the criminals who murdered Boris," he said.

"Crimes of this kind are taken on by executors who are hard to find. All efforts must be made to find the criminals," the ex-president said.

Gorbachov still uses rose colored glasses when locking at the "west". The "west" would never use a crime to attain its purpose? That is laughable naive.

And what about all those legitimate and popular opposition politicians currently getting suicided in Ukraine?

So whodunnit?

Someone with relations to the "model"? Someone hurt in the gangster "privatizations" executed under Nemtsov's rule? Some Ukrainian oligarch interested in creating more schism between the "west" and Russia? Some "western" government plotting the destabilization of Russia?

Your guess is as good as mine.

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Bibi's visit is going to 'whodunnit' to a whole lot more folks than some oligarch bag man named Nems...whatever. Send his mistress flowers if you care, otherwise you are part of the problem, the 'shiney object', the 'ever-present crush' of trivial tabloid news shoving true news and real concerns into the dustbin memory hole, like goldfish, content, blowing pop bubbles. Oh, look, a squirrel!

I disagree. The Russia's Kleptocracy is the most important global security issue facing humanity and its survival. It's Tony Soprano & Gang with nukes. A speech by a failing Israeli politician before a failing American Congress to spite a lame duck puppet president doesn't even get second billing. Wake me up when Boehner's assassinated, but I'm thinking it's going to be a long nap if I have to wait for that impossibility to wake me up. If Boehner's assassinated, I'll know then that America, as bad as it is with its myriad foibles, has finally stooped to The Russia's debased level.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Mar 2 2015 11:23 utc | 101

Putin and the Kremlin should lead the march ... just like they do in the West!

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Posted by: x | Mar 2 2015 11:38 utc | 102

@Ulster #99

Bullshit! Hotheads posting comments in social media is not the same thing as Antimaidan leaders. The western-financed "opposition" has marginalized itself to the point that it's becoming irrelevant. That's why the the most visible presence at the Nemtsov memorial was pro-Russian.

Your second paragraph has to be one of the stupidest things I ever read. Yarosh is a lot more than a fundraiser. He holds a seat in the Verkovna Rada. He commands an armed force. Dugin does neither. The biggest recruiting and fundraising tool the NAF have is the awareness of what's going on in Ukraine, Dugin or no Dugin.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Mar 2 2015 11:48 utc | 103

@102 On 18 March 2014 Putin delivered the famous "Crimean speech" where he openly attacked "national traitors", using the rhetoric from stalinist witch hunts in 30's. This was quickly picked up by the Russian media who were calling anyone criticizing the annexation and further invasion as "fifth column", "traitors", "prostitutes", "nazis" etc. Dugin came up with an even more absurd concept of "sixth column". This hate campaign has been continuing over all 2014 till the Antimaidan rally, where Nemtsov's pictures were shown on banners among other "traitors". One of the Antimaidan leaders, Alexander Zaldostanov (the "Surgeon") publicly announces in an interview about that the need for "fear of death" to stop the opposition. On 10 February Nemtsov says in an interview that the number of threats he receives is so high, that he actually fears of being killed by one of the "patriots". So please don't bullshit about "hothead comments on social media", it was all public and official.

Posted by: Ulster | Mar 2 2015 12:05 utc | 104

Fascist kiev-thugs have now killed around 6000 people : UN
http://rt.com/news/line/2015-03-02/#82709

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 2 2015 12:26 utc | 105

This seems to describe the outcome well ... a "Patriotic Rally"!

"Kristina Rus:

Did Putin outsmart the West once again? No matter who came up with the idea, but it was brilliant - those who wanted to pay respects to Nemtsov, but did not want to be used for the body count in the anti-Putin anti-government opposition rally, brought a Russian flag, and collectively turned the "Russian Maidan" into a "Patriotic Rally"."

A sea of flags at ...

Posted by: x | Mar 2 2015 12:41 utc | 106

Not sure where that link went -- 2nd attempt:

http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2015/03/was-nemtsovs-murder-fruitless-russian.html

Posted by: x | Mar 2 2015 12:42 utc | 107

@104 Because we all know that while separatist use the same unguided "Grad", "Uragan" and "Smerch" launchers as the UAF, the separatist rockets by definition never hurt civilians. It's because they shell for the right cause.

Posted by: Ulster | Mar 2 2015 12:49 utc | 108

@Thirdeye #95:

She is called a model, but we don't know if that is her means of support. Lots of Ukrainian and Russian women have been going into the international ladies' business in the post-Soviet era. Lots of upscale escorts have "cover profiles" as models, actresses, etc. Lots of aspiring actresses and models use sexual favors to advance their careers.

A girl's got to make a living. I think that women who sell their bodies should be treated with exactly the same respect as any other human being. Sorry. I have two authorities for this position. (1) Mary Magdalene was possibly a prostitute, yet Jesus embraced her. To me, this means that looking down on whores in any way is un-Christian. (2) The Western Unforgiven turns around a former gunfighter granting justice to a hooker.

Those two points together make me think that the hooker is actually the paradigmatic case of a human being worthy of our sympathy and compassion. (I'm just going with the New Testament and Hollywood here.)

Posted by: Demian | Mar 2 2015 12:55 utc | 109

There is no civilians to evacuate in the liberated Debaltsevo. Fascists shot almost all civilians before leaving the city. (Feb 20, 2015)
https://www.facebook.com/AntiMaidanNews/photos/a.1436440903278822.1073741828.1436438469945732/1566314096958168/?type=1

I doubt 6000 is correct, the nazis in Kiev seems to have killed alot more.

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 2 2015 12:59 utc | 110

If Putin did this (and I don't know like the rest of the world), he chose perhaps the most sensational way to kill a potential political opponent.

This is an LA gangland style killing.

Why not fake a car accident? Why not an accident while traveling (i.e. accidental drowning)? No one would know the real story. Russia's finest professional intelligence could easily pull this off.

Instead, the narrative fits perfectly into the media's hands and Putin is portrayed as a street level gangster.

It also fits perfectly into the hands of the anti-Kremlin minority.

I'm not saying that Putin is not guilty.

I'm saying that he would be very, very, very stupid to orchestrate such a killing, in such a sensational style, and at the perfect moment to inflate upcoming protests. Why play that hand?

Posted by: Cynthia | Mar 2 2015 13:15 utc | 111

@110 Why not "drowning"? Because if Nemtsov "drowned" there would be no message in his death for the opposition, that Zaldostanov with such as diplomacy called "fear of death".

Posted by: Ulster | Mar 2 2015 13:25 utc | 112

Cynthia

Exactly so why are you like MSM bringing it up constantly?

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 2 2015 13:25 utc | 113

Instead, the narrative fits perfectly into the media's hands and Putin is portrayed as a street level gangster.

Why can't The West see what you clearly see — that Putin is another Ghandi or Moses leading his people to the Promised Land flowing with blood and radiation?

Personally, despite the media's (isn't RT the media?) portrayal, I see Putin as a state level gangster who hasn't forgotten his street level roots.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Mar 2 2015 13:42 utc | 114

Instead, the narrative fits perfectly into the media's hands and Putin is portrayed as a street level gangster.

Please point me to a headline or article in a major Western news publication that states, unequivocally, that Putin ordered the hit on Nemtsov and accuses Putin of being a murderer. You can't provide that because it doesn't exist so you're mischaracterizing Western media's portrayal. It's much more nuanced and not nearly as blatant as you imply. Take this article from the BBC as an example. It's actually quite fair and balanced and not accusatory in the least. It gives Putin the benefit of the doubt — something the louse and his kleptocratic stooges do not deserve.

Boris Nemtsov murder: Girlfriend still held by police

This is a long time now to be detaining and questioning this beauty. Perhaps it's not an interrogation but rather a debriefing — meaning they're convincing her of what she saw, or rather what she didn't see — an offer she can't refuse.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Mar 2 2015 14:00 utc | 115

@103 The Surgeon isn't an "official" anything. He's more of a pop culture figure. And you know something about "opposition" figures taking money from the west and supporting the Kiev junta being called prostitutes and traitors? I agree!

The February 10 interview was misreported by Sobesednik. As reported by Sobesednik:

Q: Interesting. Did you after such conversations with your mother begin to fear that Putin may soon kill you personally or through intermediaries?

A: You know, yes... a little. Not as much as mom, but still... But still I am not so much afraid of him. If I was very afraid, then I would not head the opposition party, would not be engaged in what I do. By the way, please say hello to Dmitry Bykov from me and mama.

Q: Thank you, I will. Hope, still, common sense will prevail and Putin isn't going to kill you.

A: God forbid. And I hope so.

According to the transcript:

Q: And, perhaps, finally, I will ask you, are you not afraid of Putin? Or have you become more cautious?

A: I am not that scared

Q: But a little fear, yes?

A: Well listen, I'm just kidding. If I was scared, then I would not head the opposition party, would not be engaged in what I do. Mom, by the way, loves Dmitry Bykov and knows that he works for the "Sobesednik". Sends best wishes to him.,


End quote, and the end of the interview.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Mar 2 2015 14:07 utc | 116

Anonymous@112,

The notion that Putin would be behind this is laughable to anyone with access to the internet (and an IQ greater than that of a caged pigeon).

Those who rely on MSM to get their "news," well, we know that they'll lap up all kinds of birdcage liners.

The real question is: What is the ratio of the 1st to the 2nd group?

Posted by: Cynthia | Mar 2 2015 14:20 utc | 117

Couple of questions for Ulster. Assuming you get rid of Putin and install somebody more to your liking, how will that affect Ukraine? Do you see Kiev controlling the Donbass/Russia border? Will Crimea still be a potential NATO base?

Posted by: dh | Mar 2 2015 14:25 utc | 118

The troll said: "I disagree. The Russia'sAmerican Kleptocracy is the most important global security issue facing humanity and its survival. It's Tony Soprano & Gang with nukes. A speech by a failing Israeli politician before a failing American Congress to spite a lame duck puppet president doesn't even get second billing. Wake me up when Boehner's assassinated, but I'm thinking it's going to be a long nap if I have to wait for that impossibility to wake me up. If Boehner's assassinated, I'll know then that America, as bad as it is with its myriad foibles, has finally stooped to The Russia's debased level. "

Which country has had its middle class incomes stagnate for decades?
Which country has initiated multiple other nation's into anarchy?
Which country is destabilizing the entire world economy with its financial shenanigans?
To attempt to lump Boehner with Nemtsov is exactly the idiocy I expect of you. There are many differences between politics in America and Russia, but the most relevant one here is that in America - all of the politicians have grouped together to screw over their constituents whereas in Russia, it is mostly just the Atlanticists.
Putin ain't no saint, but he at least has been making life better for Russia as a nation and Russians as a people.

Posted by: ǝn⇂ɔ | Mar 2 2015 14:54 utc | 119

@117 Crimea was never a candidate for NATO base. There are no NATO bases even in Romania or Poland who joined the treaty years ago. As, since Ukraine was controlling their border with Russia over the last 20 years, I don't see any problem with continuing to do so when Russia allows that.

Posted by: Ulster | Mar 2 2015 15:10 utc | 120

@117 Thanks. Clearly a lot of Crimeans, Novorussians and Russians disagree.

Posted by: dh | Mar 2 2015 15:13 utc | 121

Ha ha ha. So Cold got his panties in a twist because I insulted, note by implication only, Nemtstov. I’m a low-life! This got me seeing myself like in an old black ’n white drama fillum skulking around outside the Kremlin with one of those useless baby pop guns in my pocket, at night, cue in suspense music. :)

A bit strange, nevertheless, as Cold writes of the Russian kleptocracy, he seems aware of the fact that low-lifes are not just greasy Mafia gangsters with thick accents and flashy cars-on-the-tick (more movies..), but can be very high up in the world.

Note the MSM slams Putin personally. They don’t investigate or write about the Russian Kleptocracy at all, nor much about his alliances, etc. except for very vague references that seem quite meaningless. Putin’s ex-wife, current GF, daughters are complete no-go areas. Nor do they discuss his past, except to state he was a member of the KGB.

Same old, same old. Get in quick, present your scenario, hammer it, it will stick, as between two days and one week later the public will have forgotten the story, and be left only with the ‘first analysis’, Putin as gangster.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 2 2015 15:28 utc | 122

Demian, thanks for calling me a comrade along with rufus and guest77. I see you allowed yourself to get distracted by one of our resident trolls who awoke from his nap refreshed and ready to play. I also noticed another denizen of the absurd has slipped form the sublime to the ridiculous..."When I become president...and I will"...Good Lord Cold...put the pipe down. Have you ever thought about stand-up? OK...enough playtime. Back on point. I saw the march in Moscow became a patriotic rally. The who and how behind it doesn't matter to me...it was a beautiful thing to see and was a very clear statement of solidarity. I wonder what move the Fourth Reich will try next? I suspect an escalation...but it will backfire just like everything else it's done lately.

Posted by: Scott | Mar 2 2015 15:29 utc | 123

@ 118: "Putin ain't no saint, but he at least has been making life better for Russia as a nation and Russians as a people.

With his approval among the Russian people so high, the above comment must have some validity.

Posted by: ben | Mar 2 2015 15:45 utc | 124

Boris Nemtsov Shooting: This is How They Did It

Worth a read

Posted by: papa | Mar 2 2015 16:00 utc | 125

@119, Lol, you are pathetic; no NATO sites were "candidates", until they were.

Been watching House of Cards. Petrov/Putin is played as a cold-calculating ogre who hates freedom and peace one moment;then, desparate as a losing realtor, flails beneath the crystalline logic of the American president, the next. Whenvever he appears the back-ground music is pure Dracula's Castle. The President, on the other hand, bouyed aloft by the swelling chords of a pastiche of "Merka the Beautiful", is kind, brave, clean, reverent ...

Get the picture? You don't even need to watch the farkukte thing to know what it's about. It's that bad. Just like you. Give me Stalinist rhetoric any day.

Posted by: ruralito | Mar 2 2015 16:02 utc | 126

@117 "Crimea was never a candidate for NATO base. There are no NATO bases even in Romania or Poland who joined the treaty years ago. As, since Ukraine was controlling their border with Russia over the last 20 years, I don't see any problem with continuing to do so when Russia allows that."

I think that statement bears a little closer analysis. Crimea is certainly a candidate for a NATO base (I used the word 'potential). Any country that joins NATO has that potential including Roumania and Poland.

Ukraine was controlling their side of the border with Russia but that was before the coup. It's up to the people of Donbass to decide about borders now. Shelling them is unlikely to make them more agreeable.

Posted by: dh | Mar 2 2015 16:11 utc | 127

@Ulster@81

@62 This was not about Trotsky at all, if you didn't get it. This was about "b" and Soviet propaganda.

Of course it was not about Trotsky, it was about your clueless comparison of a historical giant with a crooked dwarf. No, it was not about b either, it was about your asinine trolling for the new encarnation of nazi-fascists.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Mar 2 2015 16:22 utc | 128

Was Israel involved in the death of Nemtsov? Consider this case from the book "By Way of Deception", by Victor Ostrovsky a former Katsa, or case officer, in the Mossad. A book, incidentally, which Israel went to extraordinary lengths to suppress:

"In 1990, Israel tried to stop the book's sale with a preliminary injunction, arguing that publication would "endanger agents in the field". This was the first (and to date, only) attempt of a sovereign state to stop a book publication in the United States." By Way of Deception#Israeli litigation

According to the book (page 23, et seq), Mossad used a French prostitute to entrap an Iraqi scientist resident in France. Afterwards they decided to kill the prostitute.

So the prostitute was hailed by a black Mercedes one night on a busy Paris boulevard. The prostitute was induced to stand on the drivers side of the car as she solicited the "client". At a prearranged signal the client violently opened the door of his car forcing the prostitute into the middle of the street where she was immediately struck and killed by a second car, also driven by a Mossad agent. Both cars then went their way - there was no pursuit. If the driver of the death car had been apprehended - he could claim the victim ran out into the street without giving him a chance to stop.

No wonder the Russian police are detaining the "model" accompanying Nemtsov for her own protection.

See also this link and search there for the name of Marie-Claude Magal for further references.

Posted by: gersen | Mar 2 2015 16:33 utc | 129

@126 Any country can apply for NATO membership, so can potentially become a member, so Russia could too, so Russia is a potential candidate for NATO base. Just following your logic.

Posted by: Ulster | Mar 2 2015 16:50 utc | 130

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Good conjecture Scott, I had to endure reading that Homo Inferior Somebody's sewage before reaching your post but all the points you listed show a keen mind, not the robotic, parroting party line, echo chamber, zombie, slave mentality , tool characteristics of the Homo Inferior that keep opening that useless hole they have in their face.
Me asusta, pero me gusta.

Posted by: Fernando | Mar 2 2015 16:52 utc | 131

@Cold N. Holefield@100

The Russia's Kleptocracy is the most important global security issue facing humanity and its survival. It's Tony Soprano & Gang with nukes.

Clearly, there is a "Hole" in your "field" of, ehem, knowledge, that limits your, ehem, thinking, to the vision of a warped, dim-witted reality. I thought there was more about your posting, I can now see I was wrong. Like Ulster, you're just a pawn of the neo-nazi-fascists, either by living in utter ignorance, your privilege, or because both of you are making a living out of posting gravel. Few people would allow themselves to look so stupid for free.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Mar 2 2015 16:52 utc | 132

@129 Of course Russia can apply for NATO membership. They just don't trust each other. You seem to be playing with words. You obviously have no problem with Crimea becoming a NATO base. Potential or otherwise. Why not just say so?

Posted by: dh | Mar 2 2015 17:01 utc | 133

@132 No, because no one ever proposed any NATO bases in Crimea or any other part of Ukraine.

Posted by: Ulster | Mar 2 2015 17:09 utc | 134

Nemstov with Maggie Thatcher, via O. Berruyer, pix:

http://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/obs-56.jpg

http://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/obs-54.jpg

Heh. I just like these kinds of pix, the first one is just great. Not trying to make any profound points.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 2 2015 17:12 utc | 135

@133. No but they did suggest Ukraine join NATO. Depends on your definition of 'base' I guess. Sevastopol would be an ideal location. Would you be OK with that?

Posted by: dh | Mar 2 2015 17:19 utc | 136

@135 No one relevant "suggested Ukraine to join NATO". As for hypothetical NATO bases I have no idea because I'm not expert in NATO nor international treaties. In general I believe it's up to each sovereign country what it does with troops on their own territory, and this is by the way an argument frequently raised by Russia when asked about weapon transfers to Donbass.

Posted by: Ulster | Mar 2 2015 17:28 utc | 137

The girl is a prostitute. Seeing Nemstov several times within four years does not equal 'mistress', although it's a common euphemism, global even, among elites. Of course she's a prostitute, nothing 'misogynistic' in seeing reality.

So, along with the monthly false flags, holocausts, and civilian shellings to remind us who our enemies are, we have weekly TV propaganda as well. What are arguably the top 2 current tv shows - really, really well done as far as American TV goes - have gone full bore against 'Russia'. The new House of Cards season will be dedicated to Anti-Russian propaganda, much like the slickly produced FX series 'The Americans" (which some here seem to inexplicably 'enjoy', as far as I can tell because it has a few 'real Russian' actors who employ correct grammar; can you say indisious?). I read that episode three will feature Pussy Riot, playing themselves and getting invited to a dinner at the White House with President Kevin Spacey and Putin-doppelganger "Petrov".

As silly as all of this sounds(check out the plotline to "The Americans" if you doubt the propaganda intention, show creator is proudly ex-CIA), both of these shows are aimed at the educated progressive class. As if they needed to be convinced.

If Putin doesn't become a force for truth very soon(yes, he gives great domestic speeches...) he deserves whatever's coming. It's no longer about domestic politics. The American audience is fully 'ready' for WW3. MAD is quaint.

Posted by: L Bean | Mar 2 2015 17:30 utc | 138

good grief. OK I promise I'll start proofreading my comments. Embarrassing.

(indisious? lol)

Posted by: L Bean | Mar 2 2015 17:32 utc | 139

@127 lone wolf.. don't expect a response. your comment is too intelligent for that.. arguing with either of them is a waste of time, or only so good as highlighting how dishonest they are..

from wiki - At the April 2008 summit in Bucharest, Romania, NATO agreed to the accession of Croatia and Albania and both countries joined NATO in April 2009. Ukraine and Georgia were also told that they could eventually become members.

Posted by: james | Mar 2 2015 17:36 utc | 140

@136. No less than Anders Fogh rasmussen said the door should be open. Both Yatseniuk and Poroshenko promised a referendum on NATO membership. The sovereign country of Ukraine seems a little divided at the moment so we may have a long wait for that.

Anyway I get the impression you would be agreeable to NATO membership and some kind of base in Crimea but you are reluctant to say so. Not much point in further discussion.

Posted by: dh | Mar 2 2015 17:38 utc | 141

back to the Whodunnit? question...

over at ks, some linked to a comment at the sakers stating this :
Brad Cabana retweeted
Cold War 2.0 @coldwar20_en · 3 hrs 3 hours ago

Аna Durizkaja who was near Nemzov when he was killed is dating the commander of punitive battalion Dnepr-1 Bereza..

yalensis comment to the above - Yuriy Bereza is well-liked in Washington D.C. He just returned from there lobbying for U.S. military aid to Ukraine.
Which was what Nemtsov was also doing.
So Bereza and Nemtsov were political allies.
But maybe dating the same girl, which could be awkward.

Another difference is that Nemtsov was a man of peace and probably never used a weapon in anger.
Whereas Bereza is head of the Dnipro Battalion, who are known for being ultra-violent.

Posted by: james | Mar 2 2015 17:47 utc | 142

James, even more proof that she's a prostitute imo. "Dating"? Please. She's a whore for the fascist junta. Like this guy would really go out of his way to assassinate someone in such dramatic fashion, in the Red Square, just because he slept with the same hooker.

(The point is, she's 'imbedded')

Posted by: L Bean | Mar 2 2015 17:54 utc | 143

@141 What is ks? Trying to keep up here.

Posted by: dh | Mar 2 2015 18:00 utc | 144

l bean.. fair enough.

sorry dh.. short hand for the kremlin stooge

Posted by: james | Mar 2 2015 18:03 utc | 145

Demian @108, thank you for your respectful comment about Nemzow's girlfriend - she might be involved or not in what happend, but even if she was an escort or something of the sort, she still is a human being.

Posted by: Fran | Mar 2 2015 18:13 utc | 146

Dear b, just as an innocent peruser of most of the posts, the mean-spirited "joke," comic interlude, what have you of Colden Holefield is wearing really thin. I skip over those posts for sure but their loud mouthed spittle sprays and corrupts everything else. Just my opinion, but ca suffit.

Posted by: geoff29 | Mar 2 2015 19:59 utc | 147

Ulster you are simply wrong about NATO's relations with Ukraine. This from wikipaedia which is accurate from my own recollection.

Russia's reaction to the 2008 plan of the then Ukrainian Government to join MAP [membership action plan of NATO] was hostile. Nevertheless, the following year, NATO spokesman said that despite Russian opposition to NATO's eastward expansion the alliance's door remained open to those who met the criteria.[13]

Each of the eastern European nations that joined NATO went through that process. In 2008 NATO announced that Georgia and Ukraine were being considered for membership.

Posted by: ToivoS | Mar 2 2015 20:13 utc | 148

ToivoS @ 148:

I remember well this portion of Putin's excellent speech in support of Crimea's petition:

". . .Let me note too that we have already heard declarations from Kiev about Ukraine soon joining NATO. What would this have meant for Crimea and Sevastopol in the future? It would have meant that NATO’s navy would be right there in this city of Russia’s military glory, and this would create not an illusory but a perfectly real threat to the whole of southern Russia. These are things that could have become reality were it not for the choice the Crimean people made, and I want to say thank you to them for this.

But let me say too that we are not opposed to cooperation with NATO, for this is certainly not the case. For all the internal processes within the organisation, NATO remains a military alliance, and we are against having a military alliance making itself at home right in our backyard or in our historic territory. I simply cannot imagine that we would travel to Sevastopol to visit NATO sailors. Of course, most of them are wonderful guys, but it would be better to have them come and visit us, be our guests, rather than the other way round. . ."


[Read more: http://praguepost.com/eu-news/
37854-full-text-of-putin-s-speech-on-crimea#ixzz3TGzTtkvG ]


Posted by: juliania | Mar 2 2015 21:23 utc | 149

I've learned something from this thread. This is is that the female equivalent of the hit man is the whore.

There are countless movies about hit men. I have watched every one I have ever heard of. The key idea is that being a hit man is just a job, but one that requries exceptional expertise. Also, there is the professional ethic that you only kill people whom you have been hired to kill.

Аs for how prostitutes are portrayed by Hollywood, I will restrict myself to Klute. The whore there (played by Jane Fonda in perhaps her best role) is intellectual and totally in control of her johns. A main theme of the film is the fascination of the hero, a private detective, played by Donald Sutherland, at how good the whore is with her job.

In Western cinema, the male transgressors are hit men, hired killers, while the female transgressors are call girls, whores. (Ken Russell made a movie staring his wife called Whore.) The analogy is clear. Male transgressors kill other men to make money; female transgressors sell their own bodies So the man makes his living off of other men's bodies, whereas the woman makes her living off of her own body. Something for feminist theorists to think about.

Posted by: Demian | Mar 2 2015 22:40 utc | 150

I don't think there's any reason (other than unexamined sexism) to think that Ana D isn't herself one of the "hit crew"...or at minimum, an intelligence asset. (Whose asset is an open question.) I think she knew exactly what she was doing...and still does.

Posted by: Benu | Mar 2 2015 22:50 utc | 151

You've learned something about hitmen and whores from Hollywood, have you Demian? Hopefully that's not where you're getting your history lessons, as well. I certainly don't pick up on that, from the bulk of your comments. Say it ain't so.

Posted by: L Bean | Mar 2 2015 23:17 utc | 152

Killing Snowden would only make him a martyr, arouse a lot of sympathy for his cause, and discredit the U.S. government.

Killing Nemtsov under circumstances where Putin would be blamed would much more fit the agenda of the U.S. and the rest of the capitalist West.

Posted by: lysias | Mar 2 2015 23:30 utc | 153

Oh lord, demian you truly are a retard

Posted by: demian is a retard | Mar 3 2015 1:29 utc | 154

But dont worry demian because, from watching the long long trail of the usual idiots making the usual idiotic comments and their even-more-idiotic-than-usual groundless "speculation" (moronic "hitman n'whore" fantasies) regarding Nemetsov, it appears that you're certainly in the right place

Posted by: demian is a retard | Mar 3 2015 1:35 utc | 155

Cant help noticing that "demian" is like a much dumber version of Rowan B

Posted by: demian is a retard | Mar 3 2015 1:44 utc | 156

Fort Russ has a post. Suspects identified. They think it was members of the Dudayev Battalion. The battalion was financed by Kolomoisky. Interesting. Considering it was a well organized hit could there be mid-east fingerprints on this? With the Chechens the triggermen/patsies?

Posted by: Scott | Mar 3 2015 2:21 utc | 157

Wow!

157 has to be some of the stupidest fantasising on this subject that i have yet seen

And given the stupidity of the majority of the speculation/fantasising done so far, that takes some doing

Posted by: Scott is a bit of a retard too | Mar 3 2015 2:47 utc | 158

@ 157 Scott

That struck me as having an odd sense of 'pin the tail on the recognizable and unifying scapegoat'. Just sayin'. Of course, it's important for PR reasons to have, you know, a catharsis. Sooner than later and first out of the gate wins, an' all.

Call 'em as I see 'em.

Posted by: Benu | Mar 3 2015 2:54 utc | 159

Yo, tards

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/03/boris-nemtsov-murder-ukranian-girlfriend-kiev-russia

The rus have released Anna D

So either the Rus police have no interest in her because they are incompetent or because they dont care to find the killers OR most likely they think shes innocent of all the very definitive accusations that the usual gang of utterly clueless MOA tards and morons have been making against her

Posted by: Scott is a bit of a retard too | Mar 3 2015 2:54 utc | 160

Dudayev battalion or no, there is one parallel that can't be denied - the presence and gloating of that little bitch Goncharenko, a Ukrainian MP wearing a 'Nemstov' T-Shirt less than 24 hrs after the event. The same guy who was in the trade union building less than 24 hrs after that false flag, as well, as he was filming/photographing the aftermath.

Obv the junta and their whores. Yeah. It really doesn't matter which 'battalion' is responsible, be they Chechen, Nazi, or Brony. The junta wouldn't exist without Washington.

And, um, can we get some better trolls up in here plz?

Posted by: L Bean | Mar 3 2015 3:15 utc | 161

Actually I'm mistaken, there are pictures of Goncharenko filming outside the trade union building while the massacre was occuring, as well as inside for the aftermath. He was standing very far back so as to not soil his new clothes.

Posted by: L Bean | Mar 3 2015 3:18 utc | 162

Crap, sorry, didn't close tag properly.

Posted by: L Bean | Mar 3 2015 3:18 utc | 163

What a despicable and dispiriting spectacle.

New York Times

WASHINGTON — For Senator Lindsey Graham, the only ticket more in demand than a seat inside the House chamber for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s address to Congress on Tuesday morning would be “if it was Garth Brooks — maybe.”

“I’m having to tell people who supported me for decades I can’t find a ticket,” said Mr. Graham, Republican of South Carolina, referring to the country music star. “If I had 100 tickets, I’d be the most popular guy in town.”

But, alas, Mr. Graham — like almost every member of Congress — has just one ticket to dole out to a constituent, lobbyist or donor eager to hear Mr. Netanyahu make his case for opposing the Obama administration’s nuclear talks with Iran. And demand is fast outpacing supply for what lawmaker after lawmaker called “the hottest ticket in town.”

How hot? “The tickets are hotter than fresh latkes,” said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York...

Posted by: Benu | Mar 3 2015 3:21 utc | 164

So the most likely answer, according to Mr Bean, is that it is the ukies wot done it?

All based on the mere after-the-fact presence in Moscow of some ukie-goon called Goncharenko ?

Thats some supersleuthin alright

Whatever ya do, dont give up the day job,

Posted by: Scott is a bit of a retard | Mar 3 2015 3:39 utc | 165

Could ya get some smarter "Mr Bean"s in, while yer at it

Posted by: Scott is a bit of a retard | Mar 3 2015 3:43 utc | 166

@165/166 - i don't believe we've heard any theory from you foff.. how about something relevant to spice up the lowly ideas plugging up the thread according to you lol..

Posted by: james | Mar 3 2015 3:50 utc | 167

Sorry james

Unlike the stupidity-addicted tards that clog these threads with their invariably moronic "thoughts" and "theories" and "speculation" (hollywood induced fantasy for the most part) i dont have any stupid theories for you on this one james.

But rest assured if, like the majority of tards commenting so far on this site, I do conjure a really really stupid theory based on nothing but clueless uninformed-and-invariably-later-proven-false shit i read at some retarded net site, you'll be the very first person i'll tell, cos clearly you clowns really get off on such idiocy, as proven by the fact that the exact same group of morons do exactly the same stupid post-all-the-most-moronic-couldnt-possibly-be-true-dumbass-speculation-you-can-think-of everytime something happen. time and time again.

The Boston marathon bombing was an MOA classic. The average IQ of most of those commenting here at the time had to be somewhat well below 100 , judging on the comments they were posting

And here you tards posting exactly the same sort of illinformed halftruths and outright lies as you lot did back then

One of the commenters here is still claiming joker and tamburlaine killed a cop in boston. Thats how dumb these people are

Posted by: Scott is a bit of a retard | Mar 3 2015 4:26 utc | 168

Call girl is the term of art.

Posted by: Harold | Mar 3 2015 4:44 utc | 169

In 2008 NATO announced that Georgia and Ukraine were being considered for membership.

Posted by: ToivoS | Mar 2, 2015 3:13:52 PM | 148

Yes, and due to the subsequent flare up of territorial disputes in both Georgia and Ukriane, according to membership rules of NATO neither of them can join NATO, irrespective of what was "announced" in 2008

Posted by: Scott is a bit of a retard | Mar 3 2015 4:49 utc | 170

@168 - okay. thanks!

Posted by: james | Mar 3 2015 5:16 utc | 171

Pleasure's all mine, james

Posted by: Scott is a bit of a retard | Mar 3 2015 5:29 utc | 172

SR@168

We'll soon see the evidence to back up the news leak about the weapon used in the MIT cop killing that was recovered in Watertown after the shootout. I avoid speculating without some evidence but if that leak was factual they have the complete provenance of the weapon including its transfer to the Joker as you call DT.

I've been following the Jarharists at FDL and there should soon be some very disappointed conspiracy nuts there and elsewhere.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Mar 3 2015 5:35 utc | 173

the retard man at #170 wrote: Yes, and due to the subsequent flare up of territorial disputes in both Georgia and Ukriane, according to membership rules of NATO neither of them can join NATO, irrespective of what was "announced" in 2008

Very good. At least you recognize that what Ulster was saying was flat out wrong. Also I will make a guess that the Russian government are well aware of those membership rules and they have taken appropriate action to prevent either the Ukraine or Georgia from gaining membership. The Georgia problem was solved in 2008 but with the Ukraine it required some drastic action in Crimea to bring the process to a halt just last year.

Posted by: ToivoS | Mar 3 2015 5:35 utc | 174

Suspects named in Nemtsov's murder


The Nemtsov murder investigation has focused on the theory that the crime was organized by a Chechen militant commander Adam Osmayev, of the Dzhokhar Dudayev battalion, who also was named in the case concerning the attempt to assassinate Vladimir Putin.

In Midst of War, Ukraine Becomes Gateway for Jihad


In the West, most look at the war in Ukraine as simply a battle between Russian-backed separatists and the Ukrainian government. But the truth on the ground is now far more complex, particularly when it comes to the volunteer battalions fighting on the side of Ukraine. Ostensibly state-sanctioned, but not necessarily state-controlled, some have been supported by Ukrainian oligarchs, and others by private citizens. Less talked about, however, is the Dudayev battalion, named after the first president of Chechnya, Dzhokhar Dudayev, and founded by Isa Munayev, a Chechen commander who fought in two wars against Russia...

The group will be a sort of rear echelon unit that take care of problems, like if someone tries to discredit the Dudayev battalion. It will also collect debts or scare off competition. There’s no doubt the new branch will work behind the lines, where there isn’t war, but there is money — as long as you know where to get it...

Isa Munayev’s War: The Final Days of a Chechen Commander Fighting in Ukraine


In the spring of 2014, after a new Ukrainian government came to power, Isa Munayev and three of his men broke Osmayev out of prison, according to Ruslan, who was one of the fighters involved. On the way back to Kiev, special forces surrounded them at one of the militia checkpoints, Ruslan said, and after a dramatic standoff, the Ukrainians allowed the Chechens to go free. (There is no way to confirm Ruslan’s account, but in the fall of 2014, the Odessa court suddenly declared that Osmayev had fulfilled enough of his sentence and had been set free). Osmayev and Munayev came back to Kiev, and the Dudayev battalion was created.

At the time I visited, most of the fighters were at the front in the vicinity of Luhansk. But the exact number serving in the battalion is a mystery. According to one source, there are 500 volunteers. Assuming that number is correct, it’s a significant force, which is why it’s increasingly feared in Kiev. The battalion is not subject to any political leader in Kiev, or subordinate to any political structure there.


Graham Fuller, the CIA godfather of al Qaeda, is known to have been up to his neck with Chechen 'jihadists'. Dzhokhar Tsaernaev, uncle's name was Ruslan ... the man who married Fuller's daughter and ran a Chechen support operation of Fuller's house. I'm sure that Dzhokar and Ruslan are common enough names in Chechnya but the irony is not lost on this fellow.

Was the CIA the source of the 'professionalism' in this hit?

Posted by: jfl | Mar 3 2015 7:30 utc | 175

Putting Fort Russ and Brad Cabana together, I guess Anna's relationship with Bereza could explain why she wasn't killed.

If the hit did in fact originate in Ukraine, it would indicate not only the desire to implicate Russia but also that things were going sour between Nemtsov and Kiev. Was Kiev looking at Nemtsov as a financial rat hole that couldn't deliver the goods? Was Nemtsov's "opposition research" scam becoming too obvious? Was Nemtsov's claim to have evidence of Russian armed forces in Ukraine an attempt to show Kiev that he was still useful?

Posted by: Thirdeye | Mar 3 2015 8:43 utc | 176

jfl #175. That is one interesting link describing Munayev's death. I had no idea how complex was the composition of those "national guard" battalions that sprung up in Ukraine in the last year. These guys sound like incredible fighters. It must be very difficult for the Donbas rebels to destroy them. Interesting in that essay how they talk about fighting Russian soldiers. I guess in fact they are, by cultural affiliation if not enlisted units of the Russian army.

Posted by: ToivoS | Mar 3 2015 9:17 utc | 177

12 US top political figures killed like Boris Nemtsov

The list makes clear the ongoing menace of murder of any US prosecutor or national judge or politician who does not serve US ruling political families. Especially note the recent, media-hidden shooting murder of US Federal (national) Judge Roll after ruling against the US regime, along with the ‘suiciding’ deaths of two US Federal Prosecutors Ross and Colbert … ‘hits’ which keep even the US Supreme Court and all US prosecutors in terror and behaving submissively.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 3 2015 9:21 utc | 178

173

Oh you utter f..tard

Joker isnt even charged with his killing you gobshite. This comes after the fake chinese nonexistant "kidnap victim" Danny, was pumped out over the ether to convince all the morons (like yourself) that the tsarnevs were copkillers and bombers

So the story of "Danny" is clearly a lie, as are the claims that the Tsarnevs killed the cop. Only a mor8n would continue to believe those obvious lies.

Virtually everything we have been told about this is a lie.

Thi

Posted by: Toiboi is an airhead | Mar 3 2015 12:05 utc | 179

"Putting Fort Russ and Brad Cabana together, I guess Anna's relationship with Bereza could explain why she wasn't killed.

Oh ffs

The commentary gets measureably dumber by the second

Twitter is apparently the source for this claim about Bereza

Twitter?

Seriously ?

Just how retarded are you people?

Posted by: Facepalm | Mar 3 2015 12:13 utc | 180

almost everything in the Tsarnev case is a complete lie

Here's one for all you morons out there


Tsarnaev attorney: Video of accused placing bomb down "does not exist"

Defense attorney David Bruck today told a federal court that what authorities have described as a central piece of the prosecution's evidence against his client "does not exist."

In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombings, public officials including the former Special Agent in Charge of the Boston FBI office Richard DesLauriers and the former governor of the state of Massachusetts told the public about a "chilling" video that all but proved the young Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's guilt.

Speaking on NBC's Face the Nation, Governor Deval Patrick said the video shows Tsarnaev placing a backpack down and walking away, just before it explodes."It does seem to be pretty clear that this suspect took the backpack off, put it down, did not react when the first explosion went off, and then moved away from the backpack in time for the second explosion," the two-term Massachusetts governor said. "It’s pretty clear about his involvement and pretty chilling, frankly."

Later Governor Patrick disclosed that he had not seen the video.

During jury selection in the Tsarnaev case, a potential juror told Judge O'Toole that she thought she could be fair and impartial, even though she couldn't get the image of Tsarnaev putting the bomb down out of her head. "The image of him putting the backpack behind that little boy...I do have this image in my mind that I can’t deny, to be perfectly honest," she told the court, describing what authorities have said is a video showing Tsarnaev leaving the backpack at the scene.

In a February federal appeals court hearing on a defense motion to move the trial out of Boston, both a federal judge and a DOJ prosecutor referenced the public airing of the video showing Tsarnaev placing the backpack on the ground.The video has never been aired publicly.

Now Tsarnaev's defense team has said in open court that it doesn't exist.

Posted by: Facepalm | Mar 3 2015 12:52 utc | 181

Putting Fort Russ and Brad Cabana together, I guess Anna's relationship with Bereza could explain why she wasn't killed.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Mar 3, 2015 3:43:24 AM | 176

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Oh lord the stupidity

The source for this claim about Nemtsov and Bereza being love rivals?

TWITTER!

Got that?

The stupidity, it burns

Posted by: Facepalm | Mar 3 2015 13:51 utc | 182

@174. NATO membership rules can always be changed of course. I don't think they will just to accommodate Ukraine. Donbass may be negotiable but Crimea is now firmly Russian.

Posted by: dh | Mar 3 2015 14:04 utc | 183


NATO membership rules can always be changed of course.

-----

Not very easily they can't, that would require approval of all members

And not without serious consequences

There is a very good reason for the existence of a "no territorial disputes" rule for prospective members

I'll let you work it out for yourself, if capable

Posted by: Facepalm | Mar 3 2015 14:12 utc | 184

F@180

This proves I shouldn't play with the crazies or is this Tbogg out for a dance under the Moon.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Mar 3 2015 14:18 utc | 185

@183 Thanks for the help. I didn't say it would be easy.

Posted by: dh | Mar 3 2015 14:27 utc | 186

jfl @ 175

Boy, that Intercept article you linked to is 99.999% pure propaganda. And rather ham-handed about it. "Russian aggression!" "Freedom fighters!" It burned my eyes. I guess it figures with Omidyar bankrolling things.

Yes indeed, the "echoes" of the names you mention are interesting and the Chechen connection is notable. Glad to see someone else noticed.

ass @ 180

Yeah, great source. /sarc D'you write that yourself?

Posted by: Benu | Mar 3 2015 14:33 utc | 187

In case anybody hasn't figured it out, foff is back again with a whole new collection of witty and inventive nicks.

Posted by: dh | Mar 3 2015 14:41 utc | 188

Over at Helmer as usual very good reading. He knows a thing or two about assassination attempts....his own!

http://johnhelmer.net/?p=12873

Posted by: notlurking | Mar 3 2015 14:41 utc | 189

@ 180Yeah, great source. /sarc D'you write that yourself?

Posted by: Benu | Mar 3, 2015 9:33:13 AM | 186

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Dear di-khead,

The source of the claim is Jokers defence counsel,
as reported by Boston radio WBUR
https://twitter.com/wburLive/status/572419606423289857 part of NPR

The governor, the judge, the prosecutor, and at least one jurist all claim to have seen a video which has never been publicaly aired and which Defence Counsel claim does not even exist

People that are not morons, (not Benu, obviously) will note: The State Gov later admitted he had not seen any such video, despite earlier pretending he had

Posted by: Facepalm | Mar 3 2015 14:57 utc | 190

@189 is addressed to both of the dickhead twins posting @ 184 and @186

Posted by: Facepalm | Mar 3 2015 15:00 utc | 191

I know consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds and all...but...

Posted by: Facepalm | Mar 3, 2015 8:51:11 AM | 181

Oh lord the stupidity
The source for this claim about Nemtsov and Bereza being love rivals?

TWITTER! Got that?

The stupidity, it burns

Yes, it does.

Posted by: Benu | Mar 3 2015 15:01 utc | 192

Interesting that two people, wankeroutwest and Benu, who pretend to be on opposite sides of the political spectrum have exactly the same negative reaction to news of the goings on in farce that is the Tsarnev trial

Course, given the people commenting, it could just be a case of "fools seldom differ" but one of them is a proven liar, and theother just appeared recently so is obviously just a sockpuppet of some other commenter

Posted by: Facepalm | Mar 3 2015 15:06 utc | 193

192

Yeah, lets just ignore the farce in the Tsarnev trial, in favour of acting like a complete tool by attacking anyone referencing it

Well done you and wankeroutwest are almost like twins when it comes to your reaction to being informed of Tsarnevs Defence counsels claims

Posted by: Facepalm | Mar 3 2015 15:10 utc | 194

Tsarnevs Defence counsel claims can be easily tested in court, by producing the video

But they wont be

Ever

And when after the trial the video has still not been aired, complete tools like Benu and wankeroutwest will still attack anyone that dares point this out, like the little tools that they are

Posted by: Facepalm | Mar 3 2015 15:14 utc | 195

Facepalm or whatever insult-laden moniker you're currently using, I actually don't believe a damn word that has been printed by MSM or uttered by "officials" about the Tsarnaev "case" and have followed it very closely. Very. If you'd quit your teenage bile spewing and calling people fucktards and whatnot you might be able to find out what people actually think. The "source" you linked to was shit. In fact, commercial shit. Deal with it.

Posted by: Benu | Mar 3 2015 15:38 utc | 196

Posted by: Benu | Mar 3, 2015 10:01:07 AM | 192

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Dear Mr D-head

The source of the claim regarding Tsarnev and the non existant video is WBUR a verified account on twitter. WBUR is a part of NPR

Whereas

The source for the claim regarding Bereza is a non-verified (i.e: anonymous) account called "ColdWar2.0" on Twitter

Even a complete moron should be able to see the difference.

Posted by: FacePalm | Mar 3 2015 15:44 utc | 197

The "source" you linked to was shit. In fact, commercial shit. Deal with it.

Posted by: Benu | Mar 3, 2015 10:38:42 AM | 196

So Benu, Mr D-head, the moron, seems now to be claiming that when WBUR reported on Twitter that Tsnarnevs Defence Counsel claimed in court that the video did not exist, WBUR were in fact lying?

Seriously?

What an utter clown

Posted by: FacePalm | Mar 3 2015 15:48 utc | 198

The source I linked to contained, right at the start, an Image/link to WBUR's Twitter account where anyone, even an idiot, could click on it to verify that the source I linked to was correct in claiming that WBUR reported that Tsarnev's defence counsel claimed in court that the video does not exist.

Simple to verify

even for an idiot

Posted by: FacePalm | Mar 3 2015 15:51 utc | 199

Note that, despite several comment relating to my comment @181, Benu the moron still cannot point to anything in the linked sources which he disagrees, or claims is false.

Not a word so far on the content of my comment @181 - my guess is because the content of comment #181 contain verifiable statements which even Benu is not stupid enough to attack, but I could be wrong, as he might start address the content in some later comment of his own. Very doubtful though

Like the slimball he is all he has done is attack the linked source

This is the behaviour of someone who is either a complete clown or a complete liar

Which are you, "Benu" ?

Posted by: FacePalm | Mar 3 2015 16:00 utc | 200

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