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February 26, 2015

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@97 Benu
Yes. In Moscow too. I read in Fort Russ the FSB has video from the scene and plates off the vehicle. SO anyone outside the vehicle would be on the video. With enhancement who knows what may be seen. From what I've read Putin seems to be taking an interest in this case. It will be interesting what turns up.

@97 Demian
When I talked about Nemtsov I was making an observation. He was a minor player who was being use by others. I, as you do, deplore the loss of anyone's life. I don't take any satisfaction from the mans death. I merely was trying to point out that he was responsible for his own safety. If he truly felt threatened why didn't he have bodyguards? That's why I wondered if it was the responsibility of the FSB to keep him safe.

Posted by: Scott | Feb 28 2015 5:52 utc | 101

@76 rufus.. yes - that is another possible supposition in a sea of possibilities.

@80 scott.. wiki says murdered at 11:40:27 pm moscow time..

@85 almand.. i agree with you. i think it will give the same media (that b highlights as being either factually incorrect and worse) more ammo for it's war on putin/russia. i would like to think differently, but it isn't born out by their past actions over the last year since the advent and before of kiev feb 2014..

Posted by: james | Feb 28 2015 5:57 utc | 102

@Benu #87:

I know pretty much everything is bound to be caught on video here in the States, but is that also true of Moscow?

Moscow is more modern than the States in general. (In other words, rural regions of the US, which make up the majority of the US geographically, are significantly more primitive than Moscow.)

@okie farmer #98:

An unidentified attacker in a car shot Mr Nemtsov four times in the back as he crossed a bridge in view of the Kremlin, police say. …

President Putin has assumed "personal control" of the investigation into the killing, said his spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

It "bears the hallmarks of a contract killing," said Mr Peskov.

I don't think that Peskov has any idea of what he is talking about. If Peskov really said that, Putin should fire him. From what I know from movies, professional killers first shoot their target in the torso, and then they shoot him up close in the head to make sure he's dead. They don't randomly shoot people in the back.

The CIA can't even find a competent hit man in Moscow nowadays. (But that is no excuse for Peskov's remark.)

Posted by: Demian | Feb 28 2015 6:00 utc | 103

@Scott #101:

Yeah, absolutely. With that comment, I was merely exploring my surprising inclination to channel Russian Orthodoxy. I thought I was done with Russian Orthodoxy, but evidently the Ukrainian civil war has changed that.

Posted by: Demian | Feb 28 2015 6:19 utc | 104

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-02-26/no-obama-russia-s-economy-isn-t-in-tatters-

By Leonid Bershidsky

Western politicians and pundits should be more careful with their predictions for the Russian economy: Reports of its demise may prove to be premature.

Bashing the Russian economy has lately become a popular pastime. In his state of the nation address last month, U.S. President Barack Obama said it was "in tatters." And yesterday, Anders Aslund of the Peterson Institute for International Economics published an article predicting a 10 percent drop in gross domestic product this year -- more or less in line with the apocalyptic predictions that prevailed when the oil price reached its nadir late last year and the ruble was in free fall.

Aslund's forecast focuses on Russia's shrinking currency reserves, some of which have been earmarked for supporting government spending in difficult times. At $364.6 billion, they are down 26 percent from a year ago and $21.6 billion from the beginning of this year. Aslund expects $166 billion to be spent on infrastructure investments and bailing out companies, and another $100 billion to exit via capital flight and other currency outflows. As a result, given foreign debts of almost $600 billion, "Russia's reserve situation is approaching a critical limit," he says.

What this argument ignores is that Russia's foreign debts are declining along with its reserves -- that's what happens when the money is used to pay down state companies' obligations. Last year, for example, the combined foreign liabilities of the Russian government and companies dropped by $129.4 billion, compared with a $124.3 billion decline in foreign reserves. Beyond that, a large portion of Russian companies' remaining foreign debt is really part of a tax-evasion scheme: By lending themselves money from abroad, the companies transfer profits to lower-tax jurisdictions. Such loans can easily be extended if sanctions prevent the Russian side from paying.

The declining price of oil is also less of a threat than many have warned. True, the Russian government's revenues from energy exports will fall in dollar terms. But because Russia's central bank has allowed the ruble's value against the dollar to decline, the ruble value of the revenues will be higher than they otherwise would be. As a result, Russia no longer requires $100 oil to balance its budget -- and the effect of lower oil prices on the broader economy will be muted.

Economists at the respected Gaidar Institute, for example, expect the floating of the ruble to roughly halve the negative GDP impact of the decline in oil prices. They estimate that Russian GDP will shrink by a moderate 2.7 percent this year, even if Brent oil trades at $40 (it traded at $61 today). That's just a bit more optimistic than the consensus among 39 economists polled by Bloomberg between Feb. 20 and Feb. 25: On average, they see a decline of 4 percent.

Economic sanctions, which most forecasts assume will continue this year, are having less impact that many in the West would like to believe. Sergei Tsukhlo of the Gaidar Institute estimates that the sanctions have affected only 6 percent of Russian industrial enterprises. "Their effect remains quite insignificant despite all that's being said about them," he wrote, noting that trade disruptions with Ukraine have been more important.

Granted, there's no avoiding a significant drop in Russians' living standards because of accelerating inflation. The economics ministry in Moscow predicts real wages will fall by 9 percent this year -- which, Aslund wrote, means that "for the first time after 15 years in power," Russian President Vladimir Putin "will have to face a majority of the Russian people experiencing a sharply declining standard of living." So far, though, Russians have taken the initial shock of devaluation and accompanying inflation largely in stride. The latest poll from the independent Levada Center, conducted between Feb. 20 and Feb. 23, actually shows an uptick in Putin's approval rating -- to 86 percent from 85 percent in January.

It's time to bury the expectation that Russia will fall apart economically under pressure from falling oil prices and economic sanctions, and that Russians, angered by a drop in their living standards, will rise up and sweep Putin out of office. Western powers face a tough choice: Settle for a lengthy siege and ratchet up the sanctions despite the progress in Ukraine, or start looking for ways to restart dialogue with Russia, a country that just won't go away.

Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 28 2015 6:56 utc | 105

Demian


"I don't think that Peskov has any idea of what he is talking about. If Peskov really said that, Putin should fire him. From what I know from movies, professional killers first shoot their target in the torso, and then they shoot him up close in the head to make sure he's dead. They don't randomly shoot people in the back."

So you get your knowledge from the movies? Are you kidding?

" One person from the "political opposition" shot. No way that is going to get traction in the West, with everything else that's going on."

Also a very naive statement, this will get as big as Malaysian shotdown in the west.

Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 28 2015 7:17 utc | 106

then there's
india........

china n india had no problem in all their 5000 yrs of history, during the tang dynasty the chinese emperor even sent a monk to india to bring back a budhist scripture, that episode was depicted in the chinese classic *the monkey god's jounrney to the west* !
thats until the !@#$%^ perfidious albions came along with their fucking *great game*.
in 1903 england sent an expedition force to attack china,carved out a large chunk of southern tibet. recognising chinese sovereinty over tibet even then, the cheeky bastards sent a bill to beijing for their effort.
when the englanders left india they *bequeathed* this piece of booty to the indians, this nefarious act set a booby trap for indo sino relation until this very day.

yet even with this thorny issue the 1962 indo sino border war wouldnt have happened without the instigation of the usual suspects...

* As to what lies behind the aggressive attitude of the Nehru government, it must be borne in mind first of all that the imperialist world, particularly the U.S. would like nothing better than to see the two principal Asiatic powers, the two powers which hold the greatest revolutionary promise for mankind in the east, locked in military combat, shedding the blood of thousands, absorbing the resources and energies of millions of people, which should be used to construct a revolutionary way of life.
.......................
U.S. diplomats, State Department planners, and military figures in the Pentagon have for a long time felt that the biggest diversionary tactic that imperialism could employ to disrupt the revolutionary anti-imperialist front was to continually stir up, bribe and corrupt as many of the representatives of the Indian bourgeoisie as it could to fan the flames of an India-China war.

Nehru himself was subjected to unremitting pressure when he was in the U.S. More U.S. aid was used as bait to lure Nehru into the trap of a protracted India-China war, which can only result in further detriment to India, China and the cause of all oppressed people.

SINCE NEHRU'S VISIT

Since the Indian Prime Minister left the shores of the U.S. there have been only rare intervals in which there has been a let up in the war fever fanned by the Indian bourgeoisie and its agent Nehru. For a long time Nehru played the role of moderator between left and right in the Indian-China border dispute, cautioning the extremist elements of the bourgeoisie in Parliament, and repudiating suggestions for offensive operations by his military advisers.

But his October 4 decision, taken after a cabinet meeting, made it clear beyond any shadow of a doubt that he had completely capitulated to the right wing on this issue and was kowtowing to U.S. imperialist interests. [1]

the indo sino border issue could've been resolved back in the sixties if not for fukus skullduggeries. china was prepared to swallow the bitter pill of recognising the fukus imposed *macmahon line* in return for peace at hand.
but with the goading from washington/london, nehru foolishly chose the military path, that misadventure backfired and the indians suffered a humuliating defeat which left a bitter aftertaste lasting until this day.
even now u still find many ref to *chinese invasion of india* in the fukus media , such is the utter depravity of the fukus *culture*.


the 1962 caper failed miseraby, but u can never keep the good fellas in washington/london down for long, after all, how are these pro arsonist/firefighters to make a living without fanning the flame ?

*
China finally realised it was the target of a deliberate American strategy to encircle and "contain" it.

Since then the rhetoric out of Beijing has been unprecedentedly harsh. In mid-July last year, for example, Major-General Zhu Chenghu warned in an official briefing that the Government may drop its policy of "no first use"of nuclear weapons in the event of a military conflict with the United States over Taiwan.

"We have no capability to fight a conventional war against the United States," he said. "We can't win this kind of war." And so China would deliberately escalate to nuclear weapons: "We Chinese will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all the cities east of Xian. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds of their cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."

In reality, China has no ability to destroy "hundreds of cities" in the United States - it might manage one or two, with luck - whereas the US could easily destroy every Chinese city east of Xian, and all the ones west of it, too.

But no Chinese general has talked like this since Mao's time, and it isn't happening now because the crazies have taken over in Beijing.

It's happening because the decision-makers in Beijing think that the crazies have taken over in Washington, and are trying to draw most of Asia into an anti-Chinese alliance. There is a good deal of evidence to suggest they are right. [2]

with the rise of modi, the murcunts lose no time in trying to turn him into another patsy against china.
will modi take the bait and repeat the ruinous way of nehru ?
at the moment bharat is playing both side and getting the best of both world.
india has been very adept in this game, in the 1962 war bharat was supported by BOTH opposing super powers, not a mean feat that.

[1]
http://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/samwith/within/pcnvrt05.htm

[2]
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10362217

Posted by: denk | Feb 28 2015 7:23 utc | 107

@Anonymous #106:

So you get your knowledge from the movies? Are you kidding?

You are an idiot. You should choose a proper user name and start over.

this will get as big as Malaysian shotdown in the west.

Some guy getting killed in a very unprofessional manner causing as much stink as a jetliner getting shut down??? I don't think so.

You are hysterical as usual. And really, choose a new user name.

Posted by: Demian | Feb 28 2015 8:08 utc | 108

@73 another atrocity to Putin's pile, but your logic is faulty

Let's get all the facts right. So we're just after a year long public hate campaign against "5th column" and "friends of the junta", and just a week after Antimaidan rally where bullies like Kadyrov or Zaldostanov publicly promise a revenge on "traitors".

And, surprisingly, a key opposition figure is murdered right after that.

But... it's CIA who did this[*]. Yes, your logic must be correct!

[*] and perhaps others killed over the last decade as well: Estemirova, Politkovskaya, Starovoitova, Magnitsky etc.

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 8:27 utc | 109

Pirates cap indeed. The Psychology of Dress is discussed in this article : The re-oranging of the Cleveland Browns.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/grantland-exclusive-the-re-oranging-of-the-cleveland-browns/

Posted by: Lou the Toe | Feb 28 2015 8:29 utc | 110

@ Scott #80

Elementary, my dear Watson. Time zones.

Kristina's comment on Fort Russ drew something to my attention. If it was a professional hit, it was done very unprofessionally. Multiple shots and a surviving witness. Maybe it will turn out to be a personal beef.

Since we're speculating on various intrigues, I'll play. According to Anna Duritskaya, they were on an impromptu walk on a dinner date. Was the walk really impromptu? Femme Fatale!

Posted by: Thirdeye | Feb 28 2015 8:34 utc | 111

@103 Moscow is more modern than the States in general.

You forgot about Russian province apparently.

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 8:44 utc | 112

New book by Pomerantsev on reality in Russia:

This is the genius of the system: even if you manage to avoid the draft, you . . . become part of the network of bribes and fears and simulations; you learn to become an actor playing out his different roles in his relationship to the state . . . and that’s fine for the system: as long as you’re a simulator you will never do anything real, you will always look for your compromise with the state, which in turn makes you feel just the right amount of discomfort.

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 9:31 utc | 113

Mike "Mish" Shedlock brought several news items from the Ukraine:

Ukraine is running out of food.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/02/panic-in-ukraine-over-food-empty-stores.html

Ukraine rations food:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/02/ukraine-rations-food-interbank-rate-new.html

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/02/mariupol-exchange-rates-vs-laughable.html

Free speech vanishes in the Ukraine
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.nl/2015/02/emails-from-kiev-free-speech-vanishes.html

Hrivna plunges 44% in one day.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/02/ukraine-hyperinflation-currency-plunges.html

(Unless the ukrainian government literally starts printing banknotes there won't be hyperinflation. When a currency falls the result is price-inflation and that's - contrary to common belief - very DEFLATIONARY. Even Hyper-Inflation is Hyper-deflationary.)

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 28 2015 9:35 utc | 114

"Clashes in Kiev as anti-government protest escalates"

Quote: "The protests in Ukraine come amid the economic crisis in the country. Earlier on Wednesday, the major power plants, Uglegorskaya and Slavyanskaya, suspended operation due to the lack of coal"

http://rusvesna.su/english/1424878241


German intelligence: The amount of dead as a result of the Ukrainian civil war is already at ~ 50.000 persons. Kiev says the amount casualties is only ~1.400"
http://rusvesna.su/english/1423443315

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 28 2015 9:48 utc | 115

"Right wing leader to create parallel army"

http://rusvesna.su/english/1423990098

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 28 2015 9:53 utc | 116

Demian
Take it easy, you shouldnt take your self such seriously, you are getting weirder by every day and apparently i am not the only one thinking that here.

Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 28 2015 10:18 utc | 117

Information.

Russian bloggers analyze Nemtsov's murder. Consensus of the reports posted is that the murder of the marginal Nemtsov is for foreign consumption and the interests of the Ukraine.

Russia Insider has reposted the Saker on Nemtsov Murder Was Most Likely a False Flag.

On the Ukraine, "In a year you will not recognize Ukraine, or whatever is left of it"

Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 28 2015 13:15 utc | 118

@101 Thirdeye
I was going off what I read in Ft. Russ. I'm somewhat leery of Wiki and have read about anomalies there. Yes I would say unprofessional. But then, A pro can make it look that way. Femme Fatale? It did cross my mind. Impromptu stroll? In winter? She's being questioned. I doubt she knows much. Otherwise she wouldn't be talking.


Posted by: Scott | Feb 28 2015 14:21 utc | 119

@118: I am not surprised to see the turmoil in Ukraine. One only has to look at events that occurred in Greece when it got into financial trouble. Civil unrest, riots, etc.

"Shooting of Nemtsov":

I think it could be the russian government that wanted to get rid of Nemtsov. But I also could imagine that the killing of Nemtsov was ordered by someone in the US. It then was meant to rile up the russians even more. No matter who did it tensions inside Russia will increase. "Mission Accomplished", right ?

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 28 2015 14:37 utc | 120

"We are losing". Maidan DieHard toys with military dictatorship.

http://fortruss.blogspot.nl/2015/02/we-are-losing-maidan-die-hard-toys-with.html

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 28 2015 14:40 utc | 121

How credible is this report ?

MH 0017 was shot down by a ukrainian jet fighter.

http://fortruss.blogspot.se/2014/12/meet-pilot-who-shot-down-malysian.html

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 28 2015 14:46 utc | 122

@118 Reading all these Sakers and Fort Russes is quite amazing. They apply the very same logic to literally every event: "it must have been a false flag, because it won't help Russia". I'm shocked that an apparently intelligent, educated and mature person can treat all this nonsense seriously. Apparently every abuse by supporters of Russian government can be explained this way: Maidan snipers, MH17, shelling of Mariupol, shelling of Volnovakha, Nemtsov.

You are merrily celebrating advances of separatist artillery in Donbass and you admit they use the same artillery as UAF - but apparently no shell fired from separatist "Grad" or howitzer could ever hit any civilian building. This just doesn't happen. Separatists shells by definition don't hit civilians. All those that do, are false flags.

As for Nemtsov, can you just think honestly for a minute: you have a year-long campaign of state-sponsored hatred against "5th column", "enemies of the state", "friends of junta" and anyone else who did not support the new Russian imperialism. There is a growing wave of violence against the opposition (beating of Shlosberg and others). Nemtsov receives death threats for his position on Ukraine and Crimea. And then he is killed.

But still, it's a false flag.

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 15:04 utc | 123

@123 Ukrainians blame everything on Russians so why not vice versa? Strangely even the BBC is blaming Russian nationalists rather than Putin....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31673297

Posted by: dh | Feb 28 2015 15:17 utc | 124

Did the US Murder Boris Nemtsov? The Imminent Threat

A very good take on Nemtsov's murder, considering multiple angles, threads and variables into the equation.

Russian bloggers analyze Nemtsov's murder: "The picture of a corpse on the background of the Kremlin"

A bit cynical but not far from the true.

Lev Sharansky:

"This is a warning to our opposition, that when you take money from the West, you have to try a little harder"

You mean, try harder the "regime change" thingy? Or the Russian "Spring" didn't come on CIA-planned time? Not enough anti-Putin demos and too many girls? Was Nemtsov in the business of adopting his companion at the time of th murder? He was 55, she's 23 y/o. Stupid old men, always falling with the same old trap, a piece of pussy.


Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 28 2015 15:25 utc | 125

Willy2 at 120 -- Don't forget to add a generous dollop of defeat and destruction to the pot, and season liberally with an insecure, anti-Russian and anti-worker hyper-nationalism. Boil hard on heated rhetoric until overdone. Hindenberg et al. cooked up a similar sort of stew for the Germans.

It's the start of meteorological spring, a beautifully sunny and comparatively warm day here in the Mid-Atlantic. So I can't resist... From The Producers. "Don't be stupid, be a smarty. Come and join the PravSek Party!"

Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 28 2015 15:25 utc | 126

in re 123 -- "The Maidan Hundred" are certainly victims of the junta, MH17 very, very likely so. I would be interested in what sort of "proof" Nemtsov was said to have coming on Russian involvement in the Ukraine, suggested as the motive.

Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 28 2015 15:44 utc | 127

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28, 2015 10:04:39 AM | 123

So the possibility that Nemtsov was just a cheap and expendable USeful idiot didn't occur to either him or your good self? When do you think "Putin" will bump off Navalny (as copybook an example of a Gene Sharp/ Overthrow Inc creation as it's possible to imagine)?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 28 2015 15:49 utc | 128

@128 Being someone's useful idiot doesn't justify a mafia style execution. Following the logic most of you guys should be already executed by CIA death squads, shouldn't you?

And Navalny strongly supports annexation of Crimea and Russian imperialism, he only opposes Putin.

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 16:08 utc | 129

@Ulster@109

Let's get all the facts right. So we're just after a year long public hate campaign against "5th column" and "friends of the junta", and just a week after Antimaidan rally where bullies like Kadyrov or Zaldostanov publicly promise a revenge on "traitors".

And, surprisingly, a key opposition figure is murdered right after that.

But... it's CIA who did this[*]. Yes, your logic must be correct!

[*] and perhaps others killed over the last decade as well: Estemirova, Politkovskaya, Starovoitova, Magnitsky etc.

Yes, before your absolute absence of logic, my logic is correct, if by default. I certainly tried to show you, the context in which Nemtsov was killed did not benefit at all Putin or Russia. My logic's LOD assumes Putin can order anyone murdered, if a person or a group become a threat to the Russian state. Your counter-logic should have demonstrated why Putin had to kill Nemtsov, why now, what were his motivations and what does he gain from this murder. But your "logic," or lack thereof, is a diatribe based on pure speculation and hearsay, threats made on a demo and a campaign against the "fifth column," extrapolated to the very "logical" conclusion that Putin ordered Nemtsev's murder. With a "logic" like that, who needs due process?


Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 28 2015 16:15 utc | 130

I can't wait to round you goons up.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Feb 28 2015 16:17 utc | 131

Saker calls the assassination a 'false flag'. As many commenters on this board. Myself, I don't think so. Ukraine govt can't benefit, Russian govt can't benefit, FUKUS govts can't benefit; Kemtsov was an important US asset; friends with other Ukraine and Russian oligarchs (although Forbes estimated his wealth last year at only 1bil.) Friend of J McCain. Etc... I'm inclined to think the Russian Mafia took him out for reasons we'll never know. Very professional hit though, hit him 4 times without hitting the 23 year old Kiev model hanging on his arm.

Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 28 2015 16:21 utc | 132

@ 129 Ulster
Useful idiots are to be USED. In whatever manner suits their puppetmaster. In this case it's simply a matter of who benefits by this? He was a cipher. So what purpose does his death serve? The timing. The location? Who's agenda profits by this? The manner of death is a part of furthering an agenda. Regardless of who did it...who tries to take advantage of it? Let's share information and stay informed as to developments. Navalney? Just another useful idiot. Another western hyped "Anti-Putin". If we know one thing...the west will always have one of those kind in it's back pocket. They are...as you said...useful idiots. And expendable, like Nemtsov, when it suits a purpose. Remember...Cui Bono.

Posted by: Scott | Feb 28 2015 16:28 utc | 133

@130 My logic is that in a state that runs a year long hate campaign against Jews you will eventually have a random hater burning a Jewish shop.

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 16:34 utc | 134

@Ulster@123

...As for Nemtsov, can you just think honestly for a minute: you have a year-long campaign of state-sponsored hatred against "5th column", "enemies of the state", "friends of junta" and anyone else who did not support the new Russian imperialism. There is a growing wave of violence against the opposition (beating of Shlosberg and others). Nemtsov receives death threats for his position on Ukraine and Crimea. And then he is killed.

But still, it's a false flag.

Well, Mr. Ulster, your "logic" is as compelling as your Russophobia.

1) Putin/Russia year-long campaign of hate against "fift column," "enemies of the state," "friends of junta," and anyone else who gave Putin a dirty look.

2) Growing violence against the opposition, "(beating of Shlosberg and others)."

3) Nemtsov receives death threats for his positions on Ukraine/Crimea.

4) Putin killed him.

Elementary, my dear Watson.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 28 2015 16:39 utc | 135

Ulster the hit was very professional, are you suggesting Mossad took him out?

Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 28 2015 16:42 utc | 136

@136 'the hit was very professional'. That lets Kiev off the hook.

Posted by: dh | Feb 28 2015 16:55 utc | 137

'the hit was very professional'. That lets Kiev off the hook.

Posted by: dh | Feb 28, 2015 11:55:08 AM | 137
Yep, I'm laughing.

Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 28 2015 16:58 utc | 138

@135 Why do you think it was Putin who killed him?

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 16:58 utc | 139

What strikes me about this murder is that it seems almost insane for Nemtsov to not have had security. A midnight stroll with his arm-candy in Moscow may be romantic but there should have been a carload of muscle following at a discrete distance.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Feb 28 2015 17:02 utc | 140

@Ulster@134

@130 My logic is that in a state that runs a year long hate campaign against Jews you will eventually have a random hater burning a Jewish shop.

An impeccable "logic," no doubt. Guess we found the motivation behind the ZioNazis permanent killing of unarmed Palestinians, including hundres of children, the bulldozing of houses and burning of mosques in occupied Palestine: Israel's 60+ years of a hate campaign.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 28 2015 17:05 utc | 141

I think it was some sort of partisan Russian patriot type of group that shot him.. basically a message to any western stooges that they are identified and will be put down.. I don't think Putin had anything to do with this.

That said, it happened during a lull in the news cycle out of Russia, so it could certainly be a false flag from the CIA..
all speculation though.

Posted by: PeteCaroll | Feb 28 2015 17:06 utc | 142

@Ulster@139

@135 Why do you think it was Putin who killed him?

Moi? It was you who said so, I was just trying to show your faulty logic, again.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 28 2015 17:19 utc | 143

To Cold & Ulster
MoA has had more than 6,000,000 Visitors.
6,014,720 to be precise.
Is there a prize for that?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 28 2015 17:19 utc | 144

The fact that people here even belive the msm nonsense that the state did this shows people here need to come to their minds.

Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 28 2015 17:22 utc | 145

S-300 SAM missiles are set up in Odessa.

http://fortruss.blogspot.nl/2015/02/ukraine-prepares-for-attack-against.html

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 28 2015 17:28 utc | 146

Greece is really a test case for the EU (jfl I’m sorry those links didn’t work they work for me..)

Recall that the EU (Common market … > EU + Eurozone) was, is, by its very nature expansionist. We can see today that there is a strong conceptual marriage (as well as de facto links, see the countries, etc.) between the EU and NATO, which was camouflaged before.

Today, expansion is threatened, by Greece in first place, as an a-hem, paid-up full-member, but by Ukraine as well, possibly Moldova, others.

So the question is, how is this expansion to end, with Greece as a lynch-pin.

Is it just to halt, go on pause, with Greece remaining a member, and Ukraine cast off as non-viable? (Ukraine becoming part of the EU was never a seen as a realistic possibility.) A kind of status-quo ante? Or, might Greece pull a GREXIT, perhaps causing a domino effect that would be difficult to contain? Or might Germany itself abandon the project, as furthering it would seem to imply fiscal transfers which it would never agree to?

The whole history is tied to French-German rivalry and relations post-WW2. Greece was brought into the EU, 1981, essentially by the French (Giscard d’Estaing, he was proud of that and today says it was a mistake. Delors was also an actor.) That was a full blown expansionary hoopla, joining with the original democracy! … Germany was quite reluctant, yet an on board partner in the European project.

Next step: the Euro. Germany was hesitant or even strongly opposed once again (attachment to the Deutschmark, hard to convince the people, etc.) and Mitterand ‘sold’ the Euro (he claimed, probably judged, it would solder Europe and anchor France and Germany together) in return for agreeing to the re-unification of Germany. Thatcher was opposed to re-unification (see one link below re. one lunch!) but so it came to be.

The idea, imho, from the French side, was to allow Germany scope, and at the same time dissolve it in a larger entity, where power would shared, etc. German re-unification, 1990 (note concurrent with the dissolving of the USSR) came rapidly. The *official* launch of the Euro was in 1999 - it took a long time to set it up. Throughout the US supported EU unification, consolidation, etc.

Greece joined the Eurozone in 2001. Everyone knew it wasn’t fit but the EU thought they could manage it, or didn’t care, and/or there were factions that could make a huge profit who prevailed, like ‘finance’ and ‘banks’, some industries. Whatever, up for debate. Greece was then put in the middle-man position of recylcing money from the EU to be spent on EU goods (arms, in first place, German cars, etc.) while also being a debt-slave per the money lent. (New colonialism.) All went south… Btw, the spending on the Olympic games… ouch, that was really painful to see.

The Eurozone project will break up, and soon, who knows exactly how, there are so many elements just waiting to explode. More maybe another time.

http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/113883

tech details of the Eurozone enlargement, wiki, view the madness:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_eurozone

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 28 2015 17:31 utc | 147

@143 Can you provide a citation from me saying that Puting killed Nemtsov?

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 17:32 utc | 148

Ukraine certainly doesn't want to de-escalate the situation regarding Eastern Ukraine:

http://fortruss.blogspot.nl/2015/02/zakharchenko-ultimatum-dpr-withdrew-90.html

http://fortruss.blogspot.nl/2015/02/ukraines-jihad.html

http://fortruss.blogspot.nl/2015/02/ukraine-conscripts-800-protesting.html

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/ukraines-powerplants-idled-by-lack-of.html

(For those who didn't already guessed it: This the Cold (& Hot) War v2.0)

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 28 2015 17:33 utc | 149

Also, a citation from your friend, leader of Night Wolves and Antimaidan movement: "fear of death is the only thing that can stop the Russian opposition; an organization that will perform this task already started preparations". That was in January 2015.

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 17:34 utc | 150

@137 dh.. lol! good detective work their..

Posted by: james | Feb 28 2015 17:39 utc | 151

@150 Ulster
Last I saw Putin had an 85% approval rating. So What "opposition" is there? I'd say the "opposition" is made up of Western puppets like Navalney, a few malcontents (there are always a few) and western Russophobes. Let's stay on point and quit the distract and misdirect crap. Only useful idiots do that. You're not one of those are you? Your next post should answer that question. Drumroll please....

Posted by: Scott | Feb 28 2015 17:51 utc | 152

I don't really understand why everybody tries to draw conclusions so rapidly after an event. Chances are most of you are wrong, and those of you who right, are likely right only by chance. There are probably many people who wanted somebody like Nemtsov dead, or who could have benefited from it in one way or another. We have literally zero information about who may have actually killed him. And for my part, I can't say I give a shit about who did.

Posted by: ee | Feb 28 2015 17:56 utc | 153

@Ulster@148

@143 Can you provide a citation from me saying that Puting killed Nemtsov?

OK Mr. Ulster, it seems you abandoned the logician role for one nitpicking my posts looking for a petty quarrel. You didn't say that Putin killed Nemtsov, no, and in my posts I use Putin to represent evil Russia, couldn't do better since his demonization precedes him. In other words, Putin is used figuratively, not literally, representing the nation-state of Russia, who you are pointing as the most "logical" perp in the "state-sponsored" (your words) assassination of Boris Nemtsov. That, I think, puts an end to our short exchange. Good luck.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 28 2015 18:03 utc | 154

When men are gunned down in their cars or in the street, the causes are usually, in no order:

Debts gone super sour - promises broken within a tight circle where one’s word counts - theft / accumulation considered illegit, over the top - hiding assets and breaking the covenant - stealing a woman who belongs to someone else, wife, mistress, daughter, faithful employee - having harmed, coerced, blackmailed, or more, some member who didn’t deserve it …

Just being in the wrong place and the wrong time, part of the wrong group. Or being hated by some random vicious faction, individual nutter.

Politcal motives don’t generally lead to this kind of murder. Hmm. Let's say not as a usual scenario in that landscape.

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 28 2015 18:13 utc | 155

Calling these men who destroyed Russia during the 1990s - and would love to do so again today - "reformers" is exactly like calling the man who pulls the switch on the electric chair a "healer".

Give me a break.

I watched CNN last night - the glee in their voices as they noted "It happened right outside of the Kremlin, very near Putin's office" as if, perhaps, Putin himself had popped out and did the deed himself - is no higher in tone or moral caliber than Ulster's foamings. It's pathetic. CNN are simply high dollar trolls for the establishment.

Of course, today, a high level opposition leader in the United States would not be gunned down on the streets by the US government because there is no such thing as high level opposition in the United States. The closest the Western world has is a George Galloway and I don't remember the media falling all over themselves with grief when he was beaten down in the streets - in fact, they hardly made a peep.

Of course there was a time in the United States where every legitimate leader trying to change the direction of this country in one way or another was murdered - JFK, Malcolm X, MLK, RFK, Fred Hampton et al - but that of course was just an amazingly lucky string of "lone nuts" (or, in Hampton's case, a squad of Chicago Police and a host of FBI men).

I don't suppose we'll ever know what happened here. Certainly a bunch of nitwits sitting in Washington DC or the CNN offices don't.

But one thing is for damn sure - the United States has absolutely no moral standing here.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 28 2015 18:13 utc | 156

@152 If there is no opposition, then why all Russian media are speaking so hysterically about "fifth column" and organizing anti-opposition rallies?

I can only repeat: in January 2015 the "Surgeon", Antimaidan leader, announced "fear of death is the only thing that can stop the Russian opposition; an organization that will perform this task already started preparations".

And now one of the opposition leaders is, well, dead.

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 18:25 utc | 157

@154 There is no such thing as "nation-state of Russia", so your "figurative Putins" rather confuse than enlighten the discussion. There is a wide spectrum of political views in Russia, including extreme ones.

The current administration does support and promote xenophobia and extremist movements, so it's very likely that a representative of these movements killed a person he considered an enemy of the state. Did Putin order or approve Nemtsov killing? I don't think so. He did not have to - Russian TV and Antimaidan did it for him.

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 18:40 utc | 158

for anyone new to moa and yet to figure it out - ulster only takes one side of the conservation.. what they miss in one-sidedness, they make up for in drivel..

Posted by: james | Feb 28 2015 18:46 utc | 159

Ulster @ 156 & 157

Well, that didn't take long. You answered it. Distract and misdirect. Now the only question is whose useful idiot are you? It doesn't matter. I've asked you before and I will ask again. Are you paid to be an idiot or do you do it free of charge? I for one have had enough of your silliness. Now...back on point. Besides the wests predictable hysteria...I'm waiting for updates from the Saker, RI and Fort Russ. Anyone know where else I could look?

Posted by: Scott | Feb 28 2015 18:51 utc | 160

To Cold & Ulster
MoA has had more than 6,000,000 Visitors.
6,014,720 to be precise.
Is there a prize for that?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 28, 2015 12:19:31 PM | 144

No, no prize. It just means proxy servers are working overtime handling sock traffic. How many of those ~6M visitors are unique? I'm guessing a minor fraction, and those unique "visitors" who post comments a minor fraction of that minor fraction. Like I said, I can't wait to round you goons up. I hope you have your cyanide capsule ready.

Let's see, if America was like The Russia, and Obama was like The Putin, then Boehner should be assassinated any day now walking his dog down Pennsylvania Avenue before receiving four slugs in the back. I'm betting that doesn't happen. America knows how to usurp and subvert its opposition without resorting to assassination. Opposition in America is not what it seems, therefore there's no need to eliminate that which is necessary for your cause and goal. A sharp axe needs a grindstone. The Russia is not a sharp axe — instead it's rather dull and dimwitted.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Feb 28 2015 18:52 utc | 161

Nemstov/Nisman

Tomato/tomatoe

When you play with the CIA/NGO crowd and the propaganda value of your death is more than your actual operative value to them, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.

Who will be next?

Posted by: L Bean | Feb 28 2015 19:08 utc | 162

I see the WIlly Wonka of Ukraine is yammering Nemtsov had "evidence of Russia's involvement in Ukraine". How convenient. Who says dead men tell no tales? I for one, also suspect Nemtsov also knew the whereabouts of Jimmy Hoffa, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, the truth about Roswell and who shot JFK. If I were Poro...I'd double up on my Kevlar. Being a useful idiot is getting dangerous.

Posted by: Scott | Feb 28 2015 19:14 utc | 163

@ee@153

I don't really understand why everybody tries to draw conclusions so rapidly after an event.

IMHO, I don't see we are trying to conclude anything, but to begin a necessary conversation on a murder that could/could not have serious consequences for Russia and the region, given the politically charged context in which was committed. Exploring an event and its potential causes and effects, doesn't necessarily take you to foregone conclusions. It is more of "pre-emptive" mental exercise, examining all the possible angles, actors, causes, motivations, and effects, given a limited number of known variables. As Dummy Rummy likes to say, there are always "unknown unknowns"

Chances are most of you are wrong, and those of you who right, are likely right only by chance.

Chances are you are wrong in your assessment we are trying to "draw conclusions" here. Nobody has enough facts to infer anything just yet, we are all getting ready for the MSM onslaught of lies in the aftermath of Nemtsov's murder. Recognizing and debunking those lies is part of the forum collective exercise, nothing about being right. Or wrong.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 28 2015 19:20 utc | 164

Watch, Porky will be the next one 'Putin' kills.

If this doesn't whip up passions at home sufficiently, that is. I wouldn't put it past them to kill someone like Hunter Biden, in their bloodthirsty desperation for 'effective' propaganda.

From what I can tell by the timing alone, the CIA must employ some media/polling algorithm before their false flags. 'Was our last murder sehr gut for Der Homeland opinion poll?'

It's fucking sickening.

Posted by: L Bean | Feb 28 2015 19:24 utc | 165

If I were a betting man...wait...I am. Anyway I would bet on serious provocations (snipers?) during the March 1st march. It seems to be the preferred method to exacerbate things lately. Also agent provocateurs to cause mayhem for the western media cameras. Someone is desperate to escalate this. So nothing is out of the question. My thinking is snipers...CIA. Goons...Ukraine. Car bomb...Mossad. Tomorrow should be interesting. I will be shocked...shocked! If the puppetmasters don't try something.

Posted by: Scott | Feb 28 2015 19:34 utc | 166

@Cold N. Holefield@160

America knows how to usurp and subvert its opposition without resorting to assassination.

Oh no. We are so sophisticated we don't need to physically kill anyone. Remember Lee Atwater? Karl Rove? Sarah Palin? They know the art of character assassination, which leaves the body intact on a dead soul. Or sometimes, not so intact, just ask Gabrielle Giffords.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 28 2015 19:46 utc | 167

@Ulster@157

@154 There is no such thing as "nation-state of Russia"...

Now, that's lower than expected.

Nation state

A nation state is a geographical area that can be identified as deriving its political legitimacy from serving as a sovereign nation.[1] A state is a political and geopolitical entity, while a nation is a cultural and ethnic one. The term "nation state" implies that the two coincide, but "nation state" formation can take place at different times in different parts of the world.

The concept of a nation state can be compared and contrasted with that of the multinational state, city state,[2][3][4] empire, confederation, and other state formations with which it may overlap. The key distinction is the identification of a people with a polity in the "nation state."

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 28 2015 19:55 utc | 168

Look, the West gave diplomatic cover to the nazified Kiev government responsible for shooting down the Malaysian Flight 17:and the West's pols and mouthpieces are all absolutely accessories to murder, by obstruction of justice. The various NATO authorities and media, with their lying narrative intact, have coordinated it, to cover their asses.

False flagging this assassination of Nemtsov is second nature to the low lifes who are plodding along in the service of the empire. They have to construct their cartoon propaganda to divert attention from the tens of thousands of civilian deaths, that are the result of their diabolical scheming, in this Ukrainian bloodbath they set into motion. They want to make the story all about Putin.

Posted by: Copeland | Feb 28 2015 20:07 utc | 169

@147

Thanks for the information and prognostics on the Eurozone! And for the break from Nemetsov.


We can see today that there is a strong conceptual marriage (as well as de facto links, see the countries, etc.) between the EU and NATO, which was camouflaged before.

I learned that from Rick Roztoff's amazing stand-up, via guest77's link awhile back.

[~40:00]


This is another illusion that has to be put to rest. If NATO is in no way independent of the United States - can you imagine for a moment Luxembourg vetoing an American military interest? - if there is a misconception that NATO is somehow independent of - and is the multilateral alternative to - US unilateralism and so forth, then there's an equally bad, I'd say a more insidious fiction, that the European Union is in some manner distinct from NATO and the United States, and is a counterbalance to it.

and [~45:00]


By the way, it's also a fact worth noting, and I don't think people have paid the proper attention to it, that far from using the European Union as the carrot, to entice people into NATO, the US has used NATO as the precondition for countries getting into the European Union. Let's keep in mind that when Poland, the Czech Republic, and Hungary come into NATO in 1999 they then get the green light to go into the European Union, the same thing with most of the seven countries that joined in 2004. So, we see a European Union that is very suspiciously non-European.

It seems the EU was to be the 'little pond' for Germany to be the 'big fish' in.

Greece joined the Eurozone in 2001. Everyone knew it wasn’t fit but the EU thought they could ... make a huge profit ... ‘finance’ and ‘banks’, some industries. ... Greece was then put in the middle-man position of recycling money from the EU to be spent on EU goods (arms, in first place, German cars, etc.) while also being a debt-slave per the money lent. (New colonialism.) All went south… Btw, the spending on the Olympic games… ouch, that was really painful to see.

Recently, the big fish seems to have felt it had outgrown its little pond and was looking at Russia with Lebensraum eyes, again. And in that context the King Fish still seems to feel that Greece is just a momentary, off-center aggravation and distraction, and predatory Germany is still trying to keep its eye on the caviar in the big pond. But Greece is not off-center to the Greeks, at least not to the present government, and I certainly can imagine that ...

The Eurozone project will break up, and soon, who knows exactly how, there are so many elements just waiting to explode.

@155 'CNN are simply high dollar trolls for the establishment.'

My gosh that's it, isn't it? Not just CNN, of course, but including the NYTimes, LATimes, WaPo ... so, just as with the trolls here at MoA, trolls anywhere, I just give 'em a skip.

Posted by: jfl | Feb 28 2015 21:05 utc | 170

Um, @ 167 For nation state (which should be sovereign state) see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Westphalia

It is this understanding, which has stood for over 300 years, that is being trashed by the neo-cons.

Posted by: Harold | Feb 28 2015 21:06 utc | 171

There's now video available of the actual killing moment taken from a distant webcam. The killer was actually not shooting from a car - he was waiting for Nemtsov on stairs going to the bridge's arch. After shooting he ran to a car that arrived that moment and ran away (well-known Mossad and CIA technique).

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 21:09 utc | 172

British City Unites Against Fascism


Anti-racism protesters took to the streets of Newcastle to snuff out the Pegida anti-Islam rally.

Anti-Islam demonstrators were massively outnumbered by a counter-protest in the British city of Newcastle Saturday.

Just 400 supporters of fascist group Pegida turned up to the Islamophobic rally in the north-eastern city, dwarfed by some 2,000 Newcastle Unite[d']s anti-racism protesters, police said.


The spirit of Edward VIII and Oswald Mosley lives ... but is disowned by the people again. I can imagine where David Cameron and his AfUK Party stand ... in the closet ... on PEGIDA.

Posted by: jfl | Feb 28 2015 21:25 utc | 173

@ 171 Ulster
Good find. Well done. Unfortunately I can't make too much out. I'm not a techie. It almost looked like the murder was done with a light tower between the camera and murder scene. I'm going to keep playing with it. I would suspect that area of Moscow should have numerous CCTVs. Other videos must be out there. I'm wondering if they can be found or accessed. Again...great job and keep looking.

Posted by: Scott | Feb 28 2015 21:28 utc | 174

I’m with Lone Wolf @163 (not to crowd your Lone-ness). But this just in: even the “non-system” opposition refuses to blame the Kremlin; only the west’s corporate media and the Nazis in Kiev are playing this as though it were a false flag.

Even here they’re running into the Law of Diminishing Returns. They’ve been pulling quite a lot of false flags lately: snipers on the Maidan; MH17; Volnovakha; Mariupol; most recently in Kharkov… as the earlier ones’ plausibility corrodes under sustained scrutiny, each one following gets less and less of the desired traction (this is why I fear a much more extreme false flag incident is to come--like a junkie, an even bigger fix is needed to get the desired effect).

And this? Whether Nemtsov’s killing originated as a false flag operation or not, the western media is more and more seen globally as “the boy who cried ‘Bear!’”

Copeland @168:

"They want to make the story all about Putin."

Absolutely--why waste all that good conditioning? The western corporate media are just following in the wake of Hollywood propaganda in making this all about "bad guy" individuals: Putin, Kim, Castro, Chávez, Qaddafi, Assad, Mugabe, the list goes on… The empire must have domestic stability while its banks, drones and agencies do their work. Manufacturing popular acquiescence, if not support, for what it takes to continue and expand monopolar hegemony is far easier through conflating entire nations and classes with individuals who can be subject to character assassination than through actual explanation of the geopolitical needs of capitalist imperialism and the “almighty” dollar: Die for oil! Debt for Wall Street and the Pentagon! Play Nuclear Chicken vs. Eurasia!

But just as with false flags and falling rates of profit, there is also a diminishing return to this “reverse cult of the individual.” As none other than Nemtsov’s former advisor put it:

Good luck, we will win, with Putin or without him, or despite him, Russia will be Russia, and not a natural resource addition to the West. We will do this. But it will be difficult and bad. Good luck.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 28 2015 22:22 utc | 175

You are now famous folks. Someone has finally appreciated the hard work of MoA writers!

Posted by: Ulster | Feb 28 2015 23:16 utc | 176

@175. I don't know about the rest of you guys but I haven't seen a paycheck for months. I may go and work for Poroshenko.

Posted by: dh | Feb 28 2015 23:23 utc | 177

Opposing Factions Stage Rallies Across Yemen as US Drone Strike Kills 3


Supporters of the Houthi movement and those of President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi staged rival rallies across Yemen on Friday, while the US drone strikes continued in the country.

Western-backed Hadi has been seeking to restore his authority from Aden, and earlier this week received representatives of Yemen's seven political parties.

Hadi, who is also backed by the United Nations as Yemen's legitimate ruler, retracted a resignation he offered last month.

Meanwhile, a drone strike on Saturday killed three alleged al-Qaeda militants in Yemen, a tribal source said, in a region where the United States is the only country operating the unmanned aircraft.

On January 27, a Yemeni rights group said a sixth grade student was among those who [was] killed in January 26 US drone strike east of the capital Sanaa.

In December 2013, a US drone strike on a wedding convoy in Yemen killed 17 people, mostly civilians.

The United States counts any male of military age killed in drone strikes as “militants,” regardless of their actual involvement with al-Qaeda.


The Nihilist Nobel Peace Prize Laureate cuts three more notches in his Nobel Peace Prize gunbelt. The empire is massing to try to take back Yemen. Watch for ISIS to show up and establish the Saudi Kalifate. I hope that Yemen is the beginning of the end for Kings, Princes, Sultans, Emirs ... Caliphs, and other fakers on the Arabian peninsula.

Posted by: jfl | Feb 28 2015 23:29 utc | 178

@176

Get paid in dollars!

Posted by: chuckvw | Feb 28 2015 23:35 utc | 179

Egypt Declares Hamas a Terrorist Organization


The Egyptian government has declared the Palestinian political organization Hamas, a terrorist organization on Saturday.

I guess that the increasingly virulent Israeli virus has infected Egypt as well as Saudi Arabia, has commandered the genotype and is now effecting the 'desired' phenotypic changes.

The Arab people must be struck momentarily deaf, dumb, and blind. When they do regain their faculties it will surely be regime change on steroids in the Middle East.

I hope that mutant bacteriophages bring about the collapse of the all the military/regal regimes there and run straight back to Israel.

Next to bottom-up regime change in the US, bottom-up regime change running through the fascist military/regal regimes in the Middle East, culminating in genocidal Israel would be the most delightful spring bloom imaginable.

Posted by: jfl | Feb 28 2015 23:48 utc | 180

@Vintage Red #174:

Thanks for that. I must apologize for posting a comment without reading the whole thread. I have no interest in this Nemtsov character. After the coup and the Odessa Khatyn, the Russian "liberal opposition" (a.k.a. fifth column) became totally marginal. The Russian government has absolutely no reason to assassinate members of the "opposition". (Also, Putin has never said that assassination is an element of statecraft. Whereas Obama practically has an orgasm on camera when he talks about how he assassinates "terrorists".)

Yes, I get my knowledge of how hit men work from films. This hit was not done by a professional. Shooting someone four times is just sloppy. You don't shoot a person in a car in public. You shoot him when he's alone, like in a corridor of an apartment building. The quintessential hit man movie is Le Samouraï. This is the exchange Alain Delon has with his victim just before he shoots him:

Qui est vous?
Aucune importance.
Que voulez vous?
Vous tuer.

(Who are you?
That is of no importance.
What do you want?
To kill you.)

Must see movie for anyone with a Y chromosome.

Posted by: Demian | Feb 28 2015 23:48 utc | 181

@176 dh... i think ulster is upset cause he gets paid in hryvnias!! he would be doing better getting paid in rubles, lol..

Posted by: james | Feb 28 2015 23:59 utc | 182

on 2nd thought.. he would be lucky if he got paid in chocolate bars - stale ones from porky's factory..

Posted by: james | Mar 1 2015 0:01 utc | 183

President Maduro announced four measures in reaction to on-going U.S. intervention in Venezuela


1. Maduro told the cheering crowd,

“I have ordered the foreign minister, Delcy Rodriguez, to immediately, in compliance with article 11 of the Vienna Convention, to reduce and minimize the number of U.S. embassy officials in Venezuela. They have over 100 officials, while in the U.S. we have no more than 17.”

He said that the measure is needed because investigations into the averted coup plot of two weeks ago showed that U.S. embassy officials were involved in those plans.

2. Maduro went on to say that he would require the U.S. embassy to inform his government of meetings that it has with different sectors of Venezuelan society.

3. As a third measure, he will introduce the same price – in dollars – for obtaining a visa to travel to Venezuela for U.S. citizens, as the U.S. currently charges Venezuelans to travel to the U.S.

4. The fourth measure would be to develop a list of U.S. officials who will not be allowed to travel to Venezuela because of their involvement in human rights violations.


Number 3 resonates with me. I remember traveling to China and receiving the apologies of the personnel at the Chinese Embassy in Chiangmai for their $100 visa. We're just charging you what you charge us, was their line. Got my attention. They let me pay it in baht though. With the US' oil and financial weapons now in play I can understand the Colombians' picking up foreign exchange at the source. Maybe Xi shared his experience on that one with Maduro when they met on his last trip to Colombia.

The Cubans need to implement these same measures now, as prophylaxis. The US will be engineering its coup there - as in Venezuela and Argentina - as soon as its wingtips are on the ground.

Posted by: jfl | Mar 1 2015 0:04 utc | 184

@182. Time for Vicky to make another cookie run.

Posted by: dh | Mar 1 2015 0:16 utc | 185

The Chinese Embassy is in Bangkok, the operation in Chiangmai is a consulate. The US has a consulate in Chiangmai as well. I hate it, they treat Americans like terrorists. It's 'up against the wall motherfucker' from the getgo. In their sterile bureaucratic way, of course. Let you know emphatically that the people need to fear the government in the New American Century. The Chinese are ... well they aren't as cordial and beneficent as ordinary Thais ... but they aren't as monstrously malignant, domineering, and bent upon the humiliation of their visitors as the American consulate is ... of Americans!

Posted by: jfl | Mar 1 2015 0:18 utc | 186

@Vintage Red:

Interesting remark by the Saker in that post you linked to:

though I personally doubt it, there is some possibility that some Russian security services were involved in the Moscow apartment bombings on 1999
Yes, I have wondered about those bombings. Isolated terrorist incidents like those are strange. If the people fighting on the anti-Russia side in Chechnya were committing acts of terrorism in Russia, one would think that there would have been more such acts. As it was, there were only one or two such bombings, which served as the justification for Moscow mounting the second Chechen war.

Posted by: Demian | Mar 1 2015 0:45 utc | 187

Cold @160

Maybe you can also tell us who the opposition is in America so we can reconcile the Kennedy brothers and MLK's assasinations.
My take on Putin putting a hit on Nemtso is more akin to having the Democratic party bump off Sarah Palin except her approval ratings are still probably higher. Nemtso was much more valuable alive.

Posted by: anon48 | Mar 1 2015 1:10 utc | 188

Maybe the Nemtsov klling wasn't a false flag after all. J. Hawk over at Fort Russ doesn't think it was. That is consistent with my view that this wasn't done by professionals.

Nemtsov … was mixed up in all manner of shady, immoral, and possibly even illegal interpersonal and financial dealings. He had plenty of opportunity to make enemies for himself, and did not get along especially well with most of the so-called "Russian opposition." Once again, the fact he was shot at 6-8 times at point blank range, out of which only 4 shots hit, and moreover that his companion who was in perfect position to see who was shooting at Nemtsov was left alive and unharmed on the scene, suggests a personal animosity toward Nemtsov somehow related to this "relationship"
While I hold to my position that the killers weren't professionals, it does appear that they knew how to shoot:
In spite of the fact that Nemtsov was fired at no less than six times, not a single bullet struck his companion Anna Duritskaya.

Posted by: Demian | Mar 1 2015 1:14 utc | 189

@188 I saw that. The jealous boyfriend theory. If it turns out to be true a lot of people are going to feel very let down.

Posted by: dh | Mar 1 2015 1:21 utc | 190

Ulster at 156 says "I can only repeat." Truer words were never spoken.

In regard to your little jab at 175. J. Hawk's account of recruitment into and training for the Ukrainian Information Troops is much more succinct and entertaining. From that pesky Fort Russ.

Posted by: rufus magister | Mar 1 2015 1:25 utc | 191

@189 boyfriend theory.. i give that lower odds.. i initially thought it might be the case, but i am leaning more towards politically motivated, or connected to shady connections he had made and not kept level with.

Posted by: james | Mar 1 2015 1:36 utc | 192

Breaking news folks...J. Hawk at Fort Russ disclosed CCTV has confirmed the identity of the killer. It's a must see. We all owe Ulster an apology.

Posted by: Scott | Mar 1 2015 1:43 utc | 193

@192. Typical!! No shirt again. And they just let him walk away.

Posted by: dh | Mar 1 2015 1:56 utc | 194

Here are some comments by a former head of the Russian FSB posted at Fortruss that makes a good case that the killer of Nemtsov was NOT a professional killer. Even though, according to the translation by Kristina Russ, he still thinks it might be.

Posted by: ToivoS | Mar 1 2015 2:20 utc | 195

@Scott #192:

I watched the video Fort Russ links to. I learned two things from it. (1) The pistol used was a Makarov. (2) Russia has girl cops now.

Posted by: Demian | Mar 1 2015 2:32 utc | 196

@195 Demian

Great job Demian. Ballistics. I can't make out much on the video of the hit. I'm not a techie. Blow it up...slow it down....zoom in. I wonder about the foot traffic and the snow plow. There has to be a number of CCTVs. I wonder about google street cams? But I'm no techie. Probably asking too much. Can you read Russian?

Posted by: Scott | Mar 1 2015 2:48 utc | 197

@jfl@183

4. The fourth measure would be to develop a list of U.S. officials who will not be allowed to travel to Venezuela because of their involvement in human rights violations.

That would be thousands of people. Congress, the WH, Depts. of State, Defense, Homeland Security, Treasury, etc., etc., etc.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Mar 1 2015 2:53 utc | 198

@192/193..lol.. psaki is going to have a field day with this..

Posted by: james | Mar 1 2015 3:00 utc | 199

@ 198 james

I agree. The problem is she will think it's true. But then, so will Inhofe. Should we tell them? I wonder if Vikki Nuland is baking cookies to take to Moscow?

Posted by: Scott | Mar 1 2015 3:09 utc | 200

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