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February 6, 2015
Open Thread 2015-07
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Even the surreal Downton Abbey, a sappy post-WWI British period TV series that’s filmed in Highclere (still-very-much-a)Castle whilst its native inhabitants are taking naps or something, has been deployed in the propaganda war. Posted by: L Bean | Feb 6 2015 18:56 utc | 2 Islamic State group: US hostage killed in Jordan airstrike Posted by: Yul | Feb 6 2015 19:01 utc | 3 King Play Station of Jordan is racking up points as this years leading humanitarian, first he strangles one Muslim woman for the Islamic State’s sins, she had no connection to the IS, and now his Flying Bedouins have incinerated a captive Amerikan in Syria. Posted by: Wayoutwest | Feb 6 2015 19:04 utc | 4 The panopticon in action: 64% of journalists believe they have been surveilled; 14% admit fear of surveillance has kept them from pursuing stories/reaching out to sources/caused them to leave the field altogether Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 6 2015 19:12 utc | 5 @Yul First of all, if true, very sad. But, of course, killing American civilians is okay if it is done by sheiks, emirs, and kings. It’s probably Putin’s fault anyway. Posted by: Charles Van Wey | Feb 6 2015 19:53 utc | 6 @L.Bean/1: Posted by: RUKidding | Feb 6 2015 20:53 utc | 7 Interesting tweet: Posted by: Yul | Feb 6 2015 21:12 utc | 8 @5 another name for NPR = National Poison Radio. And you’re so right about the quiz shows. I wrote them last year when I caught them slagging off Muslims in some supposedly “humorous” way. I asked them if the word “Jews” was inserted in their little comedy sketch, would it be quite so funny? Anyway, happy non-listening! PS no tv here either. Sometimes I wonder if I can converse with the rest of the USA since I’m not up on the dreck they are consuming. But not willing to sacrifice my sanity to get my tv back. Posted by: Linda J | Feb 6 2015 21:13 utc | 9 Putin, Hollande, Merkel talks ‘constructive’, possible document in progress Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 6 2015 21:30 utc | 10 On February 5th it abruptly changed course, ending the daily auctions that had been supporting the currency and raising interest rates by 5.5 percentage points. The hryvnia promptly slumped against the dollar. The IMF is currently in Kiev negotiating a long-awaited financial rescue: it had better hurry up. Posted by: Alberto | Feb 6 2015 22:27 utc | 11 Ukraine’s currency is now in freefall. Biggest fall in many many years. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 6 2015 22:45 utc | 12 Merkel & Hollande trip to Russia most likely has them carrying water for the IMF criminal element … Posted by: Alberto | Feb 6 2015 22:54 utc | 13 Chomsky & Kissinger Agree: Avoid Historic Tragedy In Ukraine Posted by: Charles Van Wey | Feb 6 2015 23:08 utc | 14 FROM COMMENT 12 TEXT … Posted by: Alberto | Feb 6 2015 23:27 utc | 15 We are with Greece and Europe Posted by: nmb | Feb 6 2015 23:46 utc | 16 @5 ‘I chucked out my tv and possibly will never return.’ Posted by: jfl | Feb 7 2015 0:15 utc | 17 Moscow talks over, results, if any, will be announced on Sunday
‘Results, if any’ … puts our feet back on the ground. Remember, this is Hollande and Merkel we’re hoping will ‘solve’ things here. Posted by: jfl | Feb 7 2015 0:37 utc | 18 Kremlin trio meeting on Ukraine constructive: Russia
The most salient feature of these talks, to me at least, is the complete absence of representation of the Novorossians, who obviously will therefore be unbound by anything it may contain. “Sworn Frenemies”, or why Poland supports Ukrainian nationalism
The above quote is from the translator … whose moniker, “J. Hawk”, and diction make him out to be an American. So his placing ‘the ultimate blame’ for this monstrous exploitation on Ukrainian ‘nationalism’ by the NAZIs there on Germany rather than the US might be suspect … but there can be little doubt that Germany is at least a coequal with the US in the destruction and devastation of Ukraine. And in fact the EU was/is essential to that destruction and devastation. It seems unlikely that Merkel is in Moscow to disavow Germany’s perceived interests. Posted by: jfl | Feb 7 2015 1:23 utc | 21 Anyone notice the parallel with the way Ukraine is cast in the western media and the treatment of Israel? Posted by: spinworthy | Feb 7 2015 1:24 utc | 22 … the picture of Putin, Merkel, and Hollande all seated around the table prominently includes Merkel’s phone … NSA tap … right on the table. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 7 2015 1:55 utc | 23 Good article by Mike Whitney on Ukraine etc, http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/06/the-fallujah-option-for-east-ukraine/, especially the reason for the Merkel/Hollande visit. Posted by: Carlos | Feb 7 2015 2:04 utc | 24 @Hoarsewhisperer@ 21 Posted by: Scott | Feb 7 2015 2:11 utc | 25 Angela Merkel invoked the spirit of Woodrow Wilson while extending the olive branch to Russia:
Ha ha. I imagine she winked at al-Abadi as she mouthed that nonsense. Posted by: Nana2007 | Feb 7 2015 2:34 utc | 26 5 Posted by: ChipNikh | Feb 7 2015 2:34 utc | 27 Bloomberg: One Year Later, Crimeans Prefer Russia
Not really surprising, but it’s nice that a mainstream US news outlet is reporting this. I think Hollande and Merkel are/were talking to Putin to buy time. They met with Kerry in Kiev. My hunch is that US/NATO will send more “defensive” weapons tomorrow, or the next day. And for sure they need a “ceasefire” if the 8,000 or so UAF are to be rescued from the cauldron. Nothing will come out of the three-way talks, imo – maybe enough time to re-arm Kiev, and that’s all. Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 7 2015 4:40 utc | 29 American sharia: Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Feb 7 2015 5:29 utc | 31 @26 demian – thanks for that.. thanks to others for sharing their insights here as well. Posted by: james | Feb 7 2015 6:20 utc | 32 @26 demian.. not sure how the author sees it this way though.. thoughts? Posted by: james | Feb 7 2015 6:25 utc | 33 @james #31: @32 demian.. over at kremlin stooge (newest thread here they were talking about this guy Leonid Bershidsky – author of the bloomberg article.. i can’t remember the details as it was about a week ago and not on the thread i just linked to. Posted by: james | Feb 7 2015 7:17 utc | 35 geez, ignore that link. here is the newest thread at ks.. Posted by: james | Feb 7 2015 7:18 utc | 36 Facebook Shut Down Miko Peled’s page! Posted by: Tom Murphy | Feb 7 2015 8:25 utc | 37 #26 “Incidentally, an effort is underway to find Khrushchev’s handing Crimea over to the Ukraine SSR to have been illegal.” Posted by: Ralphieboy | Feb 7 2015 11:50 utc | 38 “Germany is dedicated to the concept of ‘big Europe’ from Lisbon to Vladivostok, said the German chancellor, stressing that “security and cooperation in Europe are possible through dialogue.”” Posted by: x | Feb 7 2015 12:32 utc | 39 Posted by: x | Feb 7, 2015 7:32:11 AM | 37 Posted by: somebody | Feb 7 2015 13:29 utc | 40 Is there any possibility that Ukraine will stay in part as apparently discussed by Germany and France according to the latest news? Seems not likely imo. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 7 2015 14:13 utc | 41 @38 — indeed, but I will judge the actions (& in-actions) more than the words. Posted by: x | Feb 7 2015 15:07 utc | 42 Greece. Events at the ECB, not reported in the media. Posted by: Noirette | Feb 7 2015 15:11 utc | 43 For me the big Merkel question is, will she be able to withstand the US pressure or fold, when she travels to the US on Monday? Posted by: Fran | Feb 7 2015 15:16 utc | 44 @42 McCain and Biden sound desperate. I wonder if the NAF has something big in the cauldron such as U.S. “advisers” not just random mercenaries recruited from one of the “annoying” type countries. Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Feb 7 2015 15:23 utc | 45 Posted by: Fran | Feb 7, 2015 10:16:50 AM | 42 Posted by: somebody | Feb 7 2015 15:53 utc | 46 People who believe that Merkel and Hollande are not a part of the US equation are naive. They’ve been SENT to Moscow for a purpose. They’re just puppets to their Washington masters. Posted by: S-true | Feb 7 2015 15:54 utc | 47 S-true Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 7 2015 16:14 utc | 48 @45 s-true/46 anon – here is what b and i said in the previous thread Posted by: james | Feb 7 2015 18:19 utc | 49 Further disintegration? A district of the Odessa region has rebelled:
To the united Ukraine! Yes, now onto Kiev where the Nazis can be stuffed in trash cans and set fire to with gasoline. McCain and Nuland and can Kerry can be made to watch….that may sound harsh, but it would send an appropriate message. Posted by: Nana2007 | Feb 7 2015 19:16 utc | 51 The ‘Transnistrian’ trial maybe peace balloon mentioned by B. on Feb 05, evidently confuses the Rivers Dniester and Dnieper: Posted by: gersen | Feb 7 2015 20:14 utc | 52 gersen at 52 — Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 7 2015 20:53 utc | 53 @43 Posted by: jfl | Feb 7 2015 23:28 utc | 54 Night shelling of Donetsk 06.02.2015
Death Toll in Syria Rises to Over 210,000 in Four Years
A million, at least, dead in Iraq. How many in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Ukraine? … and absolutely no end in sight. Rather the Evil Empire, ‘my own’ United States of America, and its Nihilist Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, seeks more war. Seeks truly to devastate the entire world outside its borders, and to dispossess all its peoples. Posted by: jfl | Feb 8 2015 0:34 utc | 55 Russians in the USSR “a privileged imperial minority” – Ralphieboy, you are a tremendous douchebag. You’ve got the USSR confused with the white man’s America where you likely live, you miserable clown. Posted by: guest77 | Feb 8 2015 3:51 utc | 56 Daniel Sheehan, the Trajectory of Justice Posted by: guest77 | Feb 8 2015 3:54 utc | 57 Though every Westerner is trained like a pet poodle to see their own crimes in others, any study of the USSR and its economic relationship with the countries that made up the Eastern Bloc were 180 degrees from the imperial blood-sucking (and blood letting) that occurred in the Western mother countries and their overseas colonies. Posted by: guest77 | Feb 8 2015 4:31 utc | 58 why is it that whenever i heard about chinese are attacked and their properites targeted some where in the world, i immediately think of the Posted by: denk | Feb 8 2015 4:44 utc | 59 moral of the story… Posted by: denk | Feb 8 2015 4:46 utc | 60 @59: Is it the same Feingold who “reformed” election campaign financing (with McCain)? Posted by: g_h | Feb 8 2015 15:30 utc | 61 Mexico represents the ‘successful’ realization of the privatized model the TNCs and their Nihilist Nobel Peace Prize Laureate have in mind for the Ukraine …
… they haven’t given up, of course. They never give up, even down to the tenth generation. They just need a new government, again, in Ukraine. The German and American fronts have both been set to work on it. gh 61 Posted by: denk | Feb 9 2015 4:10 utc | 63 Hope this catches on …
Leader of German Social Democrats sides with right-wing Pegida movement
Are these willing and able to stand up to Obama/McCain? Posted by: jfl | Feb 9 2015 12:17 utc | 65 Interesting radio interview from Winnipeg (25 Jan, 2015) comparing USSR and USA ideology driven collapse.
Relates process to 5 stages: financial=>commercial=>political=>social=>cultural. Posted by: x | Feb 9 2015 13:52 utc | 66 The Ukraine is NOT “in the best of financial shapes”. some articles I came across today: Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 9 2015 17:49 utc | 67 A weblink from Wikipedia: Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 9 2015 17:58 utc | 68 A senior Saudi official seems to have ties to Al Qaeda Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 10 2015 14:34 utc | 69 Paul Pillar cites 3 reason why Assad doesn’t have to go (yet): Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 10 2015 14:36 utc | 70 Argentine prosecutor Nisman was convinced the iranian government had carried out the attack on AIMA (1994) in Buenos Aires. Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 10 2015 14:51 utc | 71 “WaPo is lost in neocon Wonderland”: Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 10 2015 14:53 utc | 72 The U.S. Media and the 13-Year-Old Yemeni Boy Burned to Death Last Month by a U.S. Drone
I believe that Greenwald is doing good work with his stone-cold revelations of US War Crimes that – magically – are ‘somehow’ overlooked rather than trumpeted as the vicious and brutal terrorist attacks that they are. And for those for whom the crimes themselves are not sufficient to end them he points out that what goes around comes around. Posted by: jfl | Feb 10 2015 23:43 utc | 73 Hello everyone, just seeing what yall are bantering about. I am busy with my new job. I also started my own blog called Really at http://www.hereiizzz69@blog.com stop by and say a few words if you are inclined. Peace out moa’ers. Posted by: Really | Feb 11 2015 1:55 utc | 74 Was Maidan supposed to pull Ukraine away from … China?
An old – 2013 – article translated by Kristina Rus. Very interesting. It was a US aniti-China move … who’da thunk it? No wonder Obama and the neo-cons are so nuts. As has been endlessly observed, trying to thwart Swiss neo-nazis ship money and uniforms to the front
I wonder how extensive the Swiss NAZI network rally is? This article makes it out to be quite extensive indeed! It doesn’t look very extensive in the photo. Repulsive as it is. Posted by: Harold | Feb 11 2015 6:28 utc | 77 @77
… do these people have any idea what they are heading for?
The ukrainian government is getting REALLY desparate. Poroshenko & Co. are building a new “Berlin Wall”. The Ukraine more and more is morphing into a totalitarian state like e.g. Nazi Germany was. Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 11 2015 20:30 utc | 79 11.02.2015 Military Report of Novorossia. War in Ukraine, DPR, LPR ~1:35
Look at the locations, and the x’s on the artillery positions at Peski, Tonen’koe. and Avdeevka these were the guns shelling Donetsk without relief forever. Posted by: jfl | Feb 12 2015 0:24 utc | 80 Roy Gutman (McClatchy Newspapers): Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 12 2015 0:41 utc | 81 @Willy2 #79: Thorough, devastating analysis : The proof that Kramatorsk Tornado (Smerch) strike was a false flag by the Ukrainian side. Posted by: jfl | Feb 12 2015 1:14 utc | 83 did cia/dea mole murder comandante chavez ? Posted by: denk | Feb 12 2015 5:55 utc | 84 @82: Agree. Ukraine is becoming a failed state or is already a failed state since say 1991. Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 12 2015 7:27 utc | 85 An interesting piece on the BBC’s Newsnight programme last night about the shootings in Maidan. Well worth a watch. Skip to 10 minutes 14 seconds to avoid the segment about the HSBC tax scandal. The bit about Maidan lasts for 15 minutes. Posted by: Pat Bateman | Feb 12 2015 9:01 utc | 86 Here’s a link to the same story on the BBC news site if you prefer not to watch the video. Posted by: Pat Bateman | Feb 12 2015 9:20 utc | 87 Talks are over, nothing new just a nonsense “ceasefire”…that will soon be broken and war will keep on. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 12 2015 9:27 utc | 88 Chapel Hill murders motivated by hate against Muslims: Attorney
What do you want to bet that the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and his new AG attend to the outrage and go after this guy on a federal hate crimes charge? Posted by: jfl | Feb 12 2015 15:52 utc | 89 another *regime change* under uncle’s belt, Posted by: denk | Feb 12 2015 17:12 utc | 90 *Perhaps Washington should devote some of its diplomatic energies to facilitating greater economic development and integration among the BCIM countries, rather than fanning the flames and cynically seeking to profit from growing geopolitical rivalry between the rising Asian giants.* Posted by: denk | Feb 12 2015 17:26 utc | 91 US Senators Seek to Reverse Anti-Cuba Business Blockade
Why has there not been a successful counter-revolution in Cuba these past 55 years? Because there’s been no US Embassy/CIA base in Cuba. Posted by: jfl | Feb 13 2015 0:59 utc | 92 Militants ask Israel to bomb southern Syria: Report
Is there anyone who does not yet recognize that ISIS stands for Israeli Secret Intelligence Service? Posted by: jfl | Feb 13 2015 1:07 utc | 93
Posted by: TLC | Feb 13 2015 1:26 utc | 94 And in a while those utter tards will pipe up again, and once again theyll be foisting upon us the very dubious benefit of their little pearls of “wisdom”, but next time theyll be pretending that it was obvious all along and that they certainly never evar believed otherwise, no siree Posted by: TLC | Feb 13 2015 1:32 utc | 95 The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate has prepared a series of coups against Maduro and the people of Venezuela …
Coup Plot in Venezuela Thwarted
… he and the CIA figure one of them will work. Posted by: jfl | Feb 13 2015 6:52 utc | 96 [91] Posted by: denk | Feb 13 2015 8:55 utc | 97 IMF announces new $17 billion loan agreement for Ukraine
Think those 93 mines are all in Donbass? Posted by: jfl | Feb 13 2015 9:16 utc | 98 And the Islamic State still enjoys online publications… Posted by: Mina | Feb 13 2015 11:29 utc | 99 |
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