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February 1, 2015
Open Thread 2015-06
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John Pilger – The Quiet Mutiny Posted by: nobodee | Feb 1 2015 19:03 utc | 1 Debate about whether Russian should mount a ‘humanitarian intervention’, ‘peace making operation’, in Ukraine: http://rocksolidpolitics.blogspot.ca/2015/01/why-russia-should-invade-ukraine.html; and also https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2015/01/29/r2p-in-ukraine/ Posted by: KMF | Feb 1 2015 19:04 utc | 2 Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International
Has anyone more detailed sources for this? I could not find the interview on CNN – but that does not mean anything, as my Google-Skills are not great. Posted by: Fran | Feb 1 2015 19:23 utc | 4 I repeatedly tried to post a comment with a link to Sputnik – about Obama on CNN: “US President Obama stated that the United States took an active part in the February 2014 coup in Ukraine, which installed pro-Western authorities.” But it does not show up – is the problem the Sputnik-link? Posted by: Fran | Feb 1 2015 19:29 utc | 5 Posted by: Fran | Feb 1, 2015 2:29:07 PM | 4 Posted by: somebody | Feb 1 2015 19:32 utc | 6 Posted by: Fran | Feb 1, 2015 2:29:07 PM | 4 Posted by: somebody | Feb 1 2015 19:32 utc | 7 Antidote – for German speakers Posted by: somebody | Feb 1 2015 19:46 utc | 8 I am still trying to get the Young Turks to issue a correction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMxWxdR-1ao&list=PLfrlsC1yJ2dTrrP7mJxjnrt9VoZsx5I2_ Posted by: Tom Murphy | Feb 1 2015 19:47 utc | 9 @Fran #4: somebody – thanks for the link – I guess it must be it. I tried to listen to it, but I am hearing impaired, so I am not sure I got him correctly. What I understood sounded like the usual bla, bla, bla. Posted by: Fran | Feb 1 2015 19:56 utc | 11 Demian @9 – so much for living in the free world and all that free speech etc. Posted by: Fran | Feb 1 2015 19:57 utc | 12 Posted by: Fran | Feb 1, 2015 2:56:14 PM | 10 Posted by: somebody | Feb 1 2015 20:16 utc | 13 It is clear he plans to keep destabilizing Ukraine with the intention to “raise the costs”. Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 1 2015 20:37 utc | 14 @ fran http://rt.com/op-edge/228379-obama-power-transition-ukraine/ Posted by: ruralito | Feb 1 2015 20:53 utc | 15 @14 h/t The Kremlin Stooge, one of the best English language blogs on Russia. IMHO Posted by: ruralito | Feb 1 2015 20:55 utc | 16 Here’s a link to the latest from Timothy Garton Ash; it seems to represent a new level of desperation – and madness- among those who supposedly rule our roost. Posted by: bassalt | Feb 1 2015 20:57 utc | 17 The Debaltseve Encirclement Complete- 9000 Ukrainian Soldiers Trapped! Mercy Offered! Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 1 2015 20:59 utc | 18 bassalt, Timothy Garton Ash is maybe the most anti-Russia/anti-Putin columnist at the Guardian. Still, I’m surprised he’s such a warmonger in that article. Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 1 2015 21:18 utc | 19 Latest two Varoufakis blog posts take on the BBC and other mainstream media distortions over Greece, including another disgusting display by the scumbags at BBC Newsnight Posted by: guest77 | Feb 1 2015 21:19 utc | 20 Putin’s comeback as President was especially cheered during the Syria crisis. Had Medvedev been there, another area under Russian influence would have been “sold out” to the West. it would be something if every time i slapped my sister, my parents penalized her! in a nutshell this is the wests answer to russia – russia = my sister… of course it wouldn’t help if i was being egged on by my parents either which is exactly what the usa and to a lesser extent europe thru nato is doing in ukraine.. Posted by: james | Feb 1 2015 21:55 utc | 22 Well, comments have dried up here. I guess everyone is watching the super bowl. Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 1 2015 23:04 utc | 23 Today’s Washington Post has a post calling Assad delusional because he thinks he can maintain power within Syria. Makes you wonder just who is delusional. Posted by: lysias | Feb 1 2015 23:11 utc | 24 The State Department just can’t help itself:
Hey call me crazy but I’m going to pull for the Seahawks just because Pete Carroll is a 9/11 Truther. He’s ripped for it by the no-nothing media. But that’s good enough for me. I lived in Oregon for a year and never liked the Seahawks and can’t stand the Patriots…but since I’m going to watch…I may as well pull for someone…and a 9/11 Truther gets my vote. Posted by: Scott | Feb 1 2015 23:29 utc | 26 German links – the separation of Ukraine has been discussed in German military circles since 2009. Posted by: somebody | Feb 1 2015 23:30 utc | 27 @somebody #26::
I’m sure Washington was capable of coming up with the idea of NATO expansion on its own. Re #22: @26 Ukraine: “We Target Civilians.” Separatists: “Their Targeting Maps Prove It.”
The reports are all of the NAZIs beating the drums for the overthrow of the coup regime as well as Poroshenko. Will Obama overtly support the NAZIs? If not … what will he do? Posted by: jfl | Feb 1, 2015 7:28:24 PM | 29 Posted by: somebody | Feb 2 2015 0:53 utc | 32 Posted by: jfl | Feb 1, 2015 7:28:24 PM | 29 Posted by: somebody | Feb 2 2015 0:59 utc | 33 @somebody #32: @33 That map is about 5 years old. I imagine the German military tacticians would like to revise it in light of current events. Posted by: dh | Feb 2 2015 1:50 utc | 35 jfl@30- Joaquin Flores scenario is looking eerily prescient:
Posted by: Nana2007 | Feb 2 2015 1:51 utc | 36 @okie farmer@17 Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 2 2015 2:19 utc | 37 Lone Wolf@36 I humbly disagree about ‘decimating” the Ukies that are in danger of being trapped. First, while I agree that their targeting civilians and scorched earth policies elicit a visceral desire for revenge…to act on that desire is to act just like them. And if you act just like them…how do you differentiate yourself FROM them? No. I suggest holding the ones responsible for war crimes and release the others to their mothers just as Zakhachenko has been doing. That is a very powerful visual. If you commit any atrocities, you can count on ABCNNBCBSFOXBBC to spew all kinds of crap justifying more war. With Poroshenko about to be the victim of a coup…let the Fourth Reich either support the neo-Nazis or walk away. Intervention is highly doubtful. The Russians would see to it you are bogged down in a nightmare you can’t wake up from. As to artillery hitting Donetsk? I am certain they are trying to push it back. If you were them wouldn’t you be trying? Far easier said than done. Remember…artillery is mobile. Airstrikes would help but they don’t have the planes. Be patient…so far so good… Posted by: Scott | Feb 2 2015 2:40 utc | 38 @okie farmer #17: @36 okie made a precomment, but it appears it was preobliterated by the presorrid atmosphere here at guru premoon b’s site.. Posted by: james | Feb 2 2015 3:34 utc | 40 @25 Seahawks were a good choice. Patriots Owner is a big fat Zionist and so is Tom Brady. http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-super-bowl-matchup-pats-have-israel-connections-cornered/#ixzz3QYUMzAqC Too bad they won. ;( Posted by: Linda J | Feb 2 2015 4:13 utc | 41 Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Feb 2 2015 4:26 utc | 42 @Scott@37 Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 2 2015 4:45 utc | 43 @james@39 Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 2 2015 5:02 utc | 44 D@28 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Feb 2 2015 5:21 utc | 45 Two analytical pieces over at FortRus: Posted by: Wayoutwest | Feb 2, 2015 12:21:25 AM | 44 Posted by: somebody | Feb 2 2015 6:24 utc | 47 Posted by: dh | Feb 1, 2015 8:50:44 PM | 34 Posted by: somebody | Feb 2 2015 6:38 utc | 48 @Demian@45 Posted by: Lone Wolf | Feb 2 2015 6:59 utc | 49 Three great posts: Posted by: GoraDiva | Feb 2 2015 7:40 utc | 50 I just watched The Iron Curtain, which is about the defection of Igor Gouzenko. Wikipedia says, “The ‘Gouzenko Affair’ is often credited as a triggering event of the Cold War,[1] with historian Jack Granatstein stating ‘Gouzenko was the beginning of the Cold War for public opinion’ and journalist Robert Fulford writing ‘I am absolutely certain the Cold War began in Ottawa’.” It turns out Gouzenko was Ukrainian. Why am I not surprised? So a Ukrainian traitor played a major role in getting the Cold War started. #31 Posted by: jfl | Feb 2 2015 10:43 utc | 52 36 Posted by: ChipNikh | Feb 2 2015 10:46 utc | 53 Greece. On Syriza and sanctions against Russia. Mercouris gets it right as usual. Posted by: Noirette | Feb 2 2015 10:54 utc | 54 @53 Posted by: jfl | Feb 2 2015 11:20 utc | 55 After Libya, Syria, Iraq redux, and Ukraine … what’s next? US AFRICOM commander calls for “huge” military campaign in West Africa, says the wsws.org.
Think France will be part of that ‘huge international and multinational’? Was Clement VII a Catholic? Let the Germans have Ukraine, Afrique is for la France! Posted by: jfl | Feb 2 2015 11:36 utc | 56 What, no blog post on the Super Bowl? I’m disappointed. Games within The Game are still important despite the carnage. If you cover soccer, you should cover American football — it’s only fair. You do have a significant American following afterall. All these intelligence goons love their American football so throw them a bone — or I should say another bone on the heaping pile you’ve already thrown them. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Feb 2 2015 11:46 utc | 57 Posted by: Noirette | Feb 2, 2015 5:54:40 AM | 53
Source in German – WirtschaftsWoche Posted by: somebody | Feb 2 2015 12:37 utc | 58 Demian at 45 — Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 2 2015 12:51 utc | 59 France. Orwell re-born. Posted by: Noirette | Feb 2 2015 13:05 utc | 61 More idiotic bs from Poland Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 2 2015 13:18 utc | 62 They will go far, these guys :-)) Posted by: somebody | Feb 2 2015 13:57 utc | 63 Plutocrats and their puppets expose themselves in every level Posted by: nmb | Feb 2 2015 14:05 utc | 64 Mike “Mish” Shedlock’s take on the situation in eastern Ukraine: Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 2 2015 15:21 utc | 65 Posted by: jfl | Feb 2, 2015 6:36:00 AM | 55 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 2 2015 16:09 utc | 66 If you go back far enough in Yanis Varoufakis’ blog, you will discover he had (has?) a plan to have the EU kick Greece out of the EU as well as the Eurozone. His refusal to meet with the Troika could be a part of that plan. His reasoning was something like, ‘because Greeks love the Euro, there’s no way to stay in power long enough to effect change with immediate withdrawal from the Eurozone – on the other hand if Greece get’s kicked out, Greece can recover (slowly) and regain economic sovereignty.’ Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 2 2015 17:19 utc | 67 Hillary, BHL and Libya Posted by: Mina | Feb 2 2015 17:35 utc | 68 Is there any more updates on what is going on in Debaltsevo? Last I heard the national guard fled and 7000 troops surrounded. I looked in RT but there is nothing new. Also any thoughts on what is going on in Venezuela? Maduro accused Biden of being behind the coup attempt. Theres talk of some high ranking military guy seeking asylum in NYC and evidence he was behind the violent protests. Why doesn’t Venezuela expel the US diplomats? Posted by: Amber Carey | Feb 2 2015 17:55 utc | 69 Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 2, 2015 12:19:38 PM | 66 Posted by: somebody | Feb 2 2015 18:03 utc | 70 Six Veterans of Stalingrad Write Open Letter to Angela Merkel
I would be really surprised if Merkel does not ignore this completely. And the German media has so far ignored it, too. I did a German Google News search for “angela merkel brief stalingrad”, and nothing relevant came up. Doing a plain Google search on <"angela merkel" brief stalingrad> produces one hit, to Sputnik news: Stalingrad-Veteranen rufen Merkel zu gemeinsamem Kampf gegen Nazismus in Ukraine auf. Six Veterans of Stalingrad Write Open Letter to Angela Merkel
I would be really surprised if Merkel does not ignore this completely. And the German media has so far ignored it, too. I did a German Google News search for “angela merkel brief stalingrad”, and nothing relevant came up. Doing a plain Google search on <"angela merkel" brief stalingrad> produces one hit, to Sputnik News: “Stalingrad-Veteranen rufen Merkel zu gemeinsamem Kampf gegen Nazismus in Ukraine auf”. (I can’t give the link because Sputnik gets blocked.) Amazing how the EU has backed away in horror at Syriza’s election. The Greeks democratically declare that they will not be debt-sponged slaves to banks and the EU and even Obama immediately shift to a renegotiating tone. Posted by: PeteCaroll | Feb 2 2015 18:14 utc | 73 @68 Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 2 2015 18:15 utc | 74 Sorry, forgot the link. Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 2 2015 18:17 utc | 75 Any idea why Ukraine army quite frankly.. sucks as it do? Any military analysts here? Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 2 2015 19:13 utc | 76 @74 Let’s see: Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Feb 2 2015 19:42 utc | 77 NotTimothyGeithner Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 2 2015 20:09 utc | 79 @NotTimothyGeithner #77:
@ Posted by: somebody | Feb 2, 2015 1:03:57 PM | 70 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Feb 2 2015 20:44 utc | 81 @80 Demian, Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Feb 2 2015 22:22 utc | 82 @80 There is one other issue. When the war abated in the fall, the NAF front line units, not the kids carrying guns and bags for the elderly, had been fighting for six months. Even though the regime was on the run, the NAF was tired and needed to absorb the recruits into cohesive units. A replacement unit of recruits is basically useless, so they need to spread the Frontline fighters into the leadership. This might have forced Kiev’s hand because victory is possible against 20,000, but if the NAF can field 100,000 solid fighters over a relatively small area they can’t be moved. As long as they have ammo, the NAF could have respond to a full Kiev mobilization by the Spring given that fascist regimes tend to become less popular over time. Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Feb 2 2015 23:00 utc | 83 “Pentagon asks for record (military) budget” Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 2 2015 23:30 utc | 84 @70 Posted by: jfl | Feb 2 2015 23:51 utc | 85 With reference to the Stalingrad veterans’ letter to Merkel …
Ukraine wants peace while Kiev junta wants war
Well, they are going to have to remove the fascist war-mongers from power if they want peace then, aren’t they? Where have all the young men gone … ?
“Kiev should not expect military superiority” – Zakharchenko
… might not Russia arm them and help them back to Ukraine to answer Zakharchenko’s call for volunteers? Presumably a good part of them are from the Yellow zone in the 2009 German Wehrmacht’s map of Ukraine, and just as eager at this point – 80% in Odessa region are for ending the war by any means – to regain controi of their homelands as are those in Donbas. @jfl #86: Nice to see that as frontline losses and internal bickering mount, folks are paying more attention to Fort Russ and Russia Insider. A quick look at the other side is in order.
The Post cites a fig. for the regions pop. (3.3 mil. total; source, accuracy?) and states that the 100K mobiization “is considered by many as a thinly veiled threat to bring more Russian troops into the region.” Again, sources unnamed. Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 3 2015 1:23 utc | 89 Demian at 80 —
I would add for those unfamiliar them, that the Guards Regiments had their origins with Peter I and the Imperial Army; they were revived as Guards Divisions & Armies by the Soviets. Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 3 2015 1:40 utc | 90 Cranking up the pressure for escalation. Same old strategy….president looks weak and indecisive….Kiev needs help. Posted by: dh | Feb 3 2015 2:22 utc | 91 Demian at 88 —
I did not need GoogleTrans to catch their subtitle, “the Magazine for Sovereignty” (Magazin fur Souveranitat — interesting looking words those, both French or Latin origins, no?). National sovereignty is not typically thought of as a leftist issue, though many ex-leftists do favor variants. Whatever their merits, I would not agree with a characterization of his views as leftist. Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 3 2015 2:36 utc | 92 further to 92 — There we go, seen the byline at Russia Insider, German politics, usually, as here. Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 3 2015 2:58 utc | 93 @rufus magister #90: Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Feb 3 2015 5:03 utc | 95 D. at 84 — Posted by: rufus magister | Feb 3 2015 5:09 utc | 96
@jfl, 87: Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 3 2015 6:58 utc | 98 @91 dh.. a view into herbst who was quoted in the article from bbc you posted.. Posted by: james | Feb 3 2015 7:16 utc | 99 @88 Posted by: jfl | Feb 3 2015 7:52 utc | 100 |
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