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January 10, 2015
Some Additional Bits On The Hebdo Attack

On the Hebdo attack go read "Unmournable Bodies" by Teju Cole who seems to somewhat agree with my take.

It seems that the attackers were underclass French boys who, out of not finding much sense in their lives, jumped on the first ideology that came along and promised them meaning. They were only tangentially, if at all, related to the various fundamentalist AQ entities in the Middle East.

The whole political outrage over "free speech" in this case is completely made up. There is no "free speech" in France or elsewhere in Europe or in the U.S. Most states have blasphemy and lèse-majesty laws. Additionally social laws are effectively in place against other speech issues. Just try to make a few public point about the racist colonizations project of some east European in west Asia and see the reaction. Hebdo Charles itself fired one of its writers for alleged anti-semitism. A court ruled the writer was unlawfully terminated without a sane reason.

My personal position is that there is not, and should not be, an absolute right to "free speech". "Free speech" is often abused to provide cover for sawing strife within groups and nations and between them. Societies are, in my view, right to keep the most vile stuff within their frames of reference off limits.

Some people think that all Muslims should somehow responsible for the three lunatics in Paris and should apologize. Here (audio) is a really good response to such nonsensical requests.

Comments

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 11, 2015 10:09:56 AM | 93
Yep. The overreaction is quite intriguing. France seems to have a serious problem though, these here were three violent incidents in December, by – oh no, oh no – not religiously or politically motivated people, they were just having psychological problems.
France has been heavily invested in Libya, Syria and Mali, in cooperation and competition with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Britain and Turkey. There is some curious comment in US media e.g CNN.

Likewise, the extreme puritanism of ISIS and al Qaeda has not emanated smoothly and naturally from the cultures and religious practices of the Middle East (where it continues to be overwhelmingly rejected). In the modern era, it was originally imposed by force in the Arabian Peninsula when the House of Saud conquered the area in the early twentieth century. The Saudis have since promoted fundamentalism, often as a way of suppressing more secular forms of opposition, and have lost control of the results with disastrous consequences.
The roots of Islamic extremism are complex. Western state support for regimes like Saudi Arabia, and pursuit of disastrous wars, not least in Iraq, may not be the decisive causal factors. But they are part of the mix, and profoundly unhelpful. What we need now is not false division between “East” and “West”, but for democrats on both sides to stand together against extremism and violence in all its forms.

Of course, this is not going to happen. But everybody ganging up on Saudi Arabia will have an interesting effect on the price of oil.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 11 2015 16:29 utc | 101

all fingers pointing to yemen….
http://osnetdaily.com/2015/01/paris-terror-aftrermath-cias-anonymous-launches-opcharliehebdo/
as luck would have it, yemen happens to be another vital oil choke point that fukus dearly wanna take control of, hehehehe
*An excuse for a US or NATO militarization of the waters around Bab el-Mandab would give Washington another major link in its pursuit of control of the seven most critical oil chokepoints around the world, a major part of any future US strategy aimed at denying oil flows to China, the EU or any region or country that opposes US policy*
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-yemen-hidden-agenda-behind-the-al-qaeda-scenarios-a-strategic-oil-transit-chokepoint/16786

Posted by: denk | Jan 11 2015 16:33 utc | 102

all fingers pointing to yemen….
http://osnetdaily.com/2015/01/paris-terror-aftrermath-cias-anonymous-launches-opcharliehebdo/
as luck would have it, yemen happens to be another vital oil choke point that fukus dearly wanna take control of, hehehehe
*An excuse for a US or NATO militarization of the waters around Bab el-Mandab would give Washington another major link in its pursuit of control of the seven most critical oil chokepoints around the world, a major part of any future US strategy aimed at denying oil flows to China, the EU or any region or country that opposes US policy*
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-yemen-hidden-agenda-behind-the-al-qaeda-scenarios-a-strategic-oil-transit-chokepoint/16786

Posted by: denk | Jan 11 2015 16:34 utc | 103

@ 64: Ditto. Nice final link, thanks b.

Posted by: ben | Jan 11 2015 16:39 utc | 104

lol Rufie you really have a very thin skin.
Most narcissists do imo,
compliments their usual extreme pettiness I’ve noticed

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 11 2015 16:40 utc | 105

@105 Talking of pettiness foff this may be a good time to ease up on the personal stuff. You’ve had a pretty good run this time.

Posted by: dh | Jan 11 2015 16:47 utc | 106

The British connection Jihadis behind both Charlie Hebdo and Jewish shop attacks in Paris pictured with Al Qaeda recruiter who preached at Finsbury Park Mosque

  • Beghal recruited Charlie Hedbo killer Cherif Kouachi in prison
  • He also mentored the gunman Amedy Coulibaly killed at kosher grocery
  • Pictures show recruiter with Kouachi in 2010 and with Coulibaly in 2012
  • Beghal hosted France’s most wanted woman for ‘crossbow practice’
  • Police are still hunting Hayat Boumeddiene who has fled to Syria

Photographs of two of the Paris gunmen meeting with an Al Qaeda recruiter have emerged following the massacres in which 17 innocents lost their lives.
The pictures show Djamel Beghal, 50, a former disciple of the hate clerics Abu Hamza and Abu Qatada, with kosher supermarket killer Amedy Coulibaly and Charlie Hedbo murderer Cherif Kouachi.
A police surveillance camera image shows Beghal and Cherif together in 2010, while another photograph shows Coulibaly pictured with the recruiter in France in 2012.

Psst – hint for the terminally slow: Djamel Beghal = SS agent

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 11 2015 16:50 utc | 107

“@105 Talking of pettiness”
And . . .
up pops dh
To paraphrase a silly movie: “If you say it they will magically just pop up all of their own accord”

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 11 2015 16:54 utc | 108

Penny | Jan 11, 2015 10:16:43 AM | 95
I used to think in the Class Conscience terms, not anymore. Obviously, we have a centuries long tribalism in work and opportunism of parasitic class (workers/peasants) that whatever is left to them by the ruling class is godsend. Yes, I call them “parasitic” which is usually associated with non-productive class, i.e. the political one, because of their willful blindness caused by their tribalism. The Parasitic Class is into “us vs. them” (or the submissive void) paradigm, regardless of their social and economic status. The tribalism has been encouraged by the national bourgeois and is de facto and de iure the norm, that is, an Identity Politics. Therefore, Muslim or any colored person can not be fully citizen of any Western country.
I am glad that Zio-Nazi Netanyahu was in “Million March” accompanied by the White folks. It would be nice if he permanently returned to where is belong, but I am sure that the White man still have an immense hate for him and his folks. He is good for 48 hours visit.

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 11 2015 17:07 utc | 109

meanwhile, boko *give back our girls* haram is running amok in nigeria, where as luck would’ve it, china also has a large foot print. !
http://www.globalresearch.ca/covert-ops-in-nigeria-fertile-ground-for-us-sponsored-balkanization/30259

Posted by: denk | Jan 11 2015 17:16 utc | 110

Germany, as good Client state must do something on its own to all this be more conceivable.
http://rt.com/news/221507-germany-attack-newspaper-arson/
“Arson at German paper that reprinted Charlie Hebdo cartoons”

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 11 2015 17:28 utc | 111

@86 and 96 (and I’ll explain why I bother responding to the less-than-civil after)
Helric Fredou was a deputy chief of the National police in Haute-Viennes in Limoges. None of the suspects came from anywhere near Limoges or Indre, and Fredou’s connection was merely that he sent investigators to conduct interviews with the families of victims (not even carrying them out himself, making the junior officers far more likely to discover any ‘evidence – not that I can imagine how they might turn up a smoking gun of such significance that a high level police officer would be suicided within what must have been one or two hours of having discovered it. There are 96 departments in (mainland) France, so thats at least a couple of hundred officers at his level or higher just in the Judicial Police, never mind Public Security, Border Patrol, CRS, UCLAT and the entire Gendarmerie. The idea that one of these officers (reportedly suffering from depression and having previously found the body of a colleague who had also shot himself) might commit suicide is hardly newsworthy when you realize he was only tangentially connected to the investigation (of course, when you read “senior investigator of Hebo massacre shoots himself in the head” it sounds far more dramatic).
[France, btw, has one of the West’s highest suicide rates (29 people per day, and roughly 700 attempted) and the rate for police officers is above average, more than 50 killed themselves in 2014 with French police union officials speaking of a “crisis” that needed to be addressed. In other words, there was going to be a suicide by a French police officer in the week following the Hebdo incident, and it happened to be from among of the hundreds of senior officers and thousands of regular officers involved in dealing with the fallout].
Anyway, the problem I have with the gun issues, and now the suicide issues, is that they divert attention from the more serious topics and make it easy for the public to dismiss rational analysis of the problem.
There are 4 broad views on the Hebdo massacre.
1. The killers were terrorists who hate our freedoms and we need to protect ourselves from them.
2. The foreign (and to a lesser extent domestic) policies of the West created these terrorists and France in particular was almost guaranteed to receive blowback for her actions in the Middle East and Africa.
3. Its quite possible that this specific event involved in some way Western intelligence or security services, either through prior connections to the perpetrators or the deliberate instigation of an incident.
4. The event was a completely orchestrated event with the direct participation of security services and their manipulation of the evidence surrounding the attack.
Neither 1 nor 4 will stand up to rational analysis (at present). Espousing views such as #4 do, however, allow those who themselves hold view #1 to dismiss ANY dissent as part of a generalized wild ‘conspiracy’ mindset. Personally I think that standards I usually see displayed on this board to be above that, if you do disagree though, try at least to respond rationally and civily – I’m sure it won’t cause you too much pain.

Posted by: Bran | Jan 11 2015 18:56 utc | 112

Neither 1 nor 4 will stand up to rational analysis (at present).
Given the already acknowledged SS connections 4 withstands any alleged analysis you have yet provided. What little analysis you did provide completely ignored the actual key content of the evidence you were commenting on. Your analysis so far on the subject of the cop “headshot” video, came off looking like a pretty lame attempt at misdirection
espousing views such as #4 do, however, allow those who themselves hold view #1 to dismiss ANY dissent as part of a generalized wild ‘conspiracy’ mindset. 
A very very cheap and transparent attempt by a rather pathetic individual to silence opinions he dislikes by dishonestly blaming holders of such opinions for the existence some other opinion held by other unconnected individuals
All in all, fairly typical behaviour of a dishonest person, imo

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 11 2015 19:11 utc | 113

You cant call something “rational analysis” when it actually ignores what the evidence shows,
Well, you can, but you’ll be laughed at

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 11 2015 19:18 utc | 114

Watch out for Cameron Merkel et al to front the new “Je Suis Sholmo” campaign
http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/1767-shlomo-sand-banned-from-speaking

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 11 2015 19:31 utc | 115

I am NOT “Charlie” — I am merely one of the despised goyim who is expected to pretend I am.
“Charlie” is obviously another facet of the Jewish-controlled media. It is not & never was a “fearless advocate of free speech” as we’re constantly being told. FAR FROM IT — it actually fired one of its own cartoonists for merely satirizing Jews. Everyone else can be satirized — but NEVER must we satirize Jews.
The recent murders of its largely Jewish staff are being carefully manipulated to evoke even more knee-jerk sympathy for the likes of Israel’s war criminals, with the shyster Netanyahu now in Paris as the master of ceremonies & the entire Jewish “mainstream” media lovingly reporting his every word.
Never forget — it’s Jews who are largely responsible for flooding all Western countries with 3rd world immigrants, while Israel has arguably the most racist immigration policies (& enforcement) on Earth. At no time are we ever supposed to notice this treasonous hypocrisy, let alone discuss it.

Posted by: Pat Kittle | Jan 11 2015 22:26 utc | 116

I am NOT “Charlie” — I am merely one of the despised goyim who is expected to pretend I am.
“Charlie” is obviously another facet of the Jewish-controlled media. It is not & never was a “fearless advocate of free speech.” FAR FROM IT — it actually fired one of its own cartoonists for merely satirizing Jews. Everyone else can be satirized — but NEVER must we satirize Jews.
The recent murders of its largely Jewish staff are being carefully manipulated to evoke even more knee-jerk sympathy for the likes of Israel’s war criminals, with the shyster Netanyahu now in Paris as the master of ceremonies & the entire Jewish “mainstream” media lovingly reporting his every word.
Never forget — it’s Jews who are largely responsible for flooding all Western countries with 3rd world immigrants, while Israel has arguably the most racist immigration policies (& enforcement) on Earth. At no time are we ever supposed to notice this treasonous hypocrisy, let alone discuss it.

Posted by: Pat Kittle | Jan 11 2015 22:28 utc | 117

‘It seems that the attackers were underclass French boys who, out of not finding much sense in their lives, jumped on the first ideology that came along and promised them meaning. They were only tangentially, if at all, related to the various fundamentalist AQ entities in the Middle East.’
yes thats what happens when societies/tribes break down as they do under empire: someone comes along and offers them an alternative. In this case Islam or christianity are the two that sweep up the mess.

Posted by: brian | Jan 11 2015 23:16 utc | 118

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 11, 2015 10:02:33 AM | 92
Those weren’t just six random soldiers who died. They were part of the torturing, drone bombing, anti-democratic and obviously ‘illegal’ (if international law were a real thing) occupying police/army that has been making life hell for Afghans for the last 14 years. Any decent human being should side with the resistance killing those soldiers and fighting to rid Afghanistan of its foreign invaders. Any decent human being should not be in an illegal occupying army and should get out and/or refuse to fight immediately.

Posted by: fairleft | Jan 11 2015 23:26 utc | 119

‘the attackers were young guys with lots of problematic family background’
how does this square with the observation this was a professional military style hit?
‘Analysts say the three seemed professional and organised, as investigators probe reports of their claim to be from al-Qaida’
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/07/gunmen-charlie-hebdo-training-al-qaida

Posted by: brian | Jan 11 2015 23:26 utc | 120

Posted by: fairleft | Jan 11, 2015 6:26:24 PM | 121
And that conviction is a good lesson on where restricting free speech if it offends someone leads. Not just no more criticizing Israel, but also no more criticism of ‘our boys’ fighting our colonial wars. It upsets their moms, after all.

Posted by: fairleft | Jan 11 2015 23:31 utc | 121

 As for your supposed ‘fact’ that he was clearly shot in the head, maybe you also need glasses in addition to other medication. Look at the video again, the gun is very clearly not pointing at his head.
“Posted by: Bran | Jan 10, 2015 9:49:39 PM | 55

Muffin, dude, what are you smokin? What ‘suppossed fact’ are you ranting about, you loon?
No one in that video, was shot in the head -thats exactly what ive been saying all along, thanks for finally catching up and getting a clue,. Rather embarassing for you that you try to make your finally getting a clue into some sorta “gotcha” moment, when really its just you finally getting a clue about the video content
The cop was definitley not shot in the head, and theres no evidence at all in the video that he was shot at all by that weapon at that time
Its your 2nd or 3rd comment on this and you finally got the point?
Congratulations. “Extremly slowly” is i suppose better than “not at all. ”

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 12 2015 1:36 utc | 122

@ 1

Still, the question remains — why did these fringe dwellers choose Charlie Hebdo, considering? They could have walked into any old place and just shot it up. Why Hebdo and the Jewish market?

Isn’t it obvious? If you are rage-filled (as opposed to politically organized), you rage against easy targets that come to mind facilely.

Posted by: ee | Jan 12 2015 7:55 utc | 123

Posted by: ee | Jan 12, 2015 2:55:50 AM | 123
Charlie Hebdo had been on the Jihadi target list for a long time. Why they were not better secured, had not taken better precautions, had not calculated if their cartoons were worth the risk … I guess they were fundamentalist atheists.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 12 2015 8:25 utc | 124

@Rogan: My apologies, apparently I’ve gotten someone who believes a fake shooting was carried out in one direction, with someone who believes a fake shooting was done in a slightly different direction. Obviously that completely invalidates all my earlier comments…. I do apologize for confusing you with some other commentator (hell, they it might not have even been on this board where claimed that the gun was clearly pointing at the mans head and thus should, if real, have produced noticeable exit matter), unfortunately its so hard to distinguish the personas of people who argue online from and through an emotional basis. While it is a little awkward due to the layout of the blog here, I’ll do my best simply to ignore any further posts you make and save us both some time. Don’t take it personally.

Posted by: Bran | Jan 12 2015 9:34 utc | 125

You do that genius
That way you wont end up making a complete fool of yourself by not knowing wtf you were actually expected to comment on.

 they it might not have even been on this board where claimed that the gun was clearly pointing at the mans head and thus should, if real, have produced noticeable exit matter),

One thing i can assure you is that despite your verbose rants on the subject while labouring under completely self-created false impressions, i never made any claim about a gun clearly beimg pointed at the cops head.
That you spent a long time and a lot of words ranting against something i never said is testament to nothing more than your own lack of basic comprehension.
That you still seem to think/claim that a shooting occured though, given that no actual evidence to support that appears in the video, is testament to either your gullibility stupidity or dishonesty
Congratulations though for finally working out, and all by yourself too, that the cop was not shot in the head.
Despite how long it took you to do so, I’m sure your mom is proud that her “special boy”, even if only because he’s maybe not quite as slow as they all claimed, finally worked out the bleedin obvious

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 12 2015 11:52 utc | 126

I’d be interested to read what Bran Muffin thinks about this.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 11, 2015 9:32:38 AM | 86
My guess is that like you, Bran Muffin will ignore the fact that, despite their recent seemingly non-stop love affair with all things French and especially all things Charlie related, No Anglo/US media has even bothered to report on this.
Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 11, 2015 9:54:17 AM | 90

As of Mon Jan 12th 12:30 GMT only one Anglo/US Media company, the UK-based Mirror Group, has referred to the “suicide” of the Limoges Cop.
So thanks also, Muffin, for proving correct my prediction that you would, in your subsequent reply @112, completely ignore the fact that the Empire’s media companies have effectvely completely ignored the “suicide” of the Limoges Cop.
“Missing the bleedin obvious point” seems to be something you have mastered quite effectively, so congratulations are due once again.
Mom must be bursting with pride by now, eh Muffin?

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 12 2015 12:35 utc | 127

Rogaine Josh at 114
You cant call something “rational analysis” when it actually ignores what the evidence shows,
Well, you can, but you’ll be laughed at.

Sounds like the voice of experience talking.
My problem is I don’t suffer fools gladly.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 12 2015 12:42 utc | 128

Rufie Magicman – The Pee Wee Hermann of MOA – lol
when one is reduced, as you are, @128 to “I know you are but what am I?” it’s probably well past time to quit the sandpit

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 12 2015 12:59 utc | 129

Not likely. I was never a big PeeWee Herman fan.
BTW, you conspiracy theorists are aware, it’s not the entry wound that makes a splatter, they will be fairly small. It’s the exit wound, which would have gone into the pavement.
Hope that helps.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 12 2015 13:05 utc | 130

130
So, Pee Wee, which part of the cops body was actually hit in the alleged “shooting incident”?
Because, as even Muffin now finally accepts, the video does not show that the barrel was pointing at the cops head at the crucial moment(s)
Most people would actually look at the vid in question before commenting, though. Not you, . . obviously.

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 12 2015 13:21 utc | 131

I am NOT “Charlie” — I am merely one of the despised goyim who is expected to pretend I am.
“Charlie” is obviously another facet of the Jewish-controlled media. It is not & never was a “fearless advocate of free speech.” FAR FROM IT — it actually fired one of its own cartoonists for merely satirizing Jews. Everyone else can be satirized — but NEVER must we satirize Jews.
The recent murders of its largely Jewish staff are being carefully manipulated to evoke even more knee-jerk sympathy for the likes of Israel’s war criminals, with the shyster Netanyahu now in Paris as the master of ceremonies & the entire Jewish “mainstream” media lovingly reporting his every word.
Never forget — it’s Jews who are largely responsible for flooding all Western countries with 3rd world immigrants, while Israel has arguably the most racist immigration policies (& enforcement) on Earth. At no time are we ever supposed to notice this treasonous hypocrisy, let alone discuss it.

Posted by: Pat Kittle | Jan 12 2015 13:57 utc | 132

in re 105 —
Seems the same thickness as yours. You always seem to respond.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 13 2015 1:32 utc | 133

in re 131 —
Sorry but I have to decline your thoughtfully poetic invitation to join your Circle. It’s not for me to provide Flesh for Fantasy, so you’ll have to work out some alternative explanation yourself.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 13 2015 1:43 utc | 134

133
Well when you see someone, you for instance, constantly chanelling pee wee herman its hard not to laugh,
and out loud as well

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 13 2015 1:55 utc | 135

134
So basically your 134 is just you pontificaticing on something you know absolutely nothing about
The usual, then.

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 13 2015 2:07 utc | 136

Somewhere around 135 or so… A noise… And then, another… As if from under a bridge….

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 13 2015 3:00 utc | 137

Lol
Rufie,
137 is Pee Wee Herman, to a T
Excellent.
Just remember though, this is not a cinema
Do you do any other impressions of strange creepy child-fixated US “comedians”, or is it just PeeWee you specialise in?

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 13 2015 3:42 utc | 138

in re 138 —
There’s that noise again….

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 13 2015 7:34 utc | 139

Lol, Last person I saw doing the same sort of “nah nah nah, I can’t hear you” behaviour Rufie is indulging in was a 7 yr old, but even she realised it was a bit stupid to behave like that
Less perceptive than a 7 yr old
Congratulations Rufie.
You’ve finally mastered something, eh?

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 13 2015 10:43 utc | 140

in re 140 —
And I would wish to talk to your trolling self, because….?

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 13 2015 12:40 utc | 141

Muffin’ll love this
Jonathan Cook
What Hebdo “execution” video really shows

But the unedited video clip does leave a sour taste: because unless someone has a good rebuttal, it does indeed seem impossible that an AK-47 bullet fired from close range would not have done something pretty dramatic to that policeman’s head. And if the video is real – and there doesn’t seem much doubt that it is – it clearly shows nothing significant happened to his head either as or after the bullet was fired.
So what points am I making?
The first one is more tentative. It seems – though I suppose there could be an explanation I have overlooked – that the authorities have lied about the cause of the policeman’s death. That could be for several probably unknowable reasons, including that his being executed was a simpler, neater story than that he bled to death on the pavement because of official incompetence (there already seems to have been plenty of that in this case).
The second point is even more troubling. Most of the senior editors of our mainstream media have watched the unedited video just as you now have. And either not one of them saw the problem raised here – that the video does not show what it is supposed to show – or some of them did see it but did not care. Either way, they simpy regurgitated an official story that does not seem to fit the available evidence.
That is a cause for deep concern. Because if the media are acting as a collective mouth-piece for a dubious official narrative on this occasion, on a story of huge significance that one assumes is being carefully scrutinised for news angles, what are they doing the rest of the time?

Pee Wee might even like it too, but since his recent vow of silence we may unfortunately never find out

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 13 2015 20:13 utc | 142

Oh and while I’m at it . .
Over at GlobalResearch Chossudovsky points out that not only has there been a Anglo/US media blackout on the news of “suicide” of the high-ranking Limoges cop , but as of 11th Jan there appeared to be a French Media blackout as well.
By 11th Jan, several days after the alleged “suicide” only 1 (One) French News org had actually bothered to report on his “suicide”

According to media reports, he committed suicide at around 1am on Thursday, within hours of the police debriefing. He used his own police weapon, a SIG-Sauer to “shoot himself in the head”.

At the time of his death, police claim to have not known the reason for his alleged suicide. This was reflected in their official statements to the media: “It is unknown at this time the reasons for his actions”.
However, a back story appears to have been inserted simultaneously, most likely from the very same police media liaisons, who then told the press that Fredou was ‘depressed and overworked’.
For any law enforcement officer in France, it would seem rather odd that anyone would want to miss the biggest single terror event of the century, or history in the making, as it were. (21st Century Wire,)

”An autopsy was performed at the University Hospital of Limoges, “confirming the suicide”
There has been a total news blackout.
The French media decided or was instructed not to cover the incident. Not news worthy? So much for “Je suis Charlie” and ”Freedom of Expression” in journalism.
Likewise, the Western media including all major news services (AP, AFP, Reuters, Deutsche Welle, etc) have not covered the issue.
One isolated report in Le Parisien presents the act of suicide as being totally unrelated to the Charlie Hebdo investigation.
While described as being depressive and suffering from a burnout, police reports state that Helric Fredou’s suicide was totally unexpected.
Moreover, it is worth noting that, according to reports, he committed suicide in his workplace, in his office at the police station.
Did he commit suicide? Was he incited to commit suicide?
Or was he an “honest Cop” executed on orders of France’s judicial police?
Has his report been released?
These are issues for France’s journalists to address. It’s called investigative reporting. Or is it outright media censorship?

So 4 or 5 days after the alleged “suicide” of the Cop in Limoges only ONE Anglo Media org and much much much more weird: Also only ONE French Media org had reported on it.
And for anyone out there that might mistakenly or even dishonestly maintain that the investigation in Limoges would of necessity be a peripheral event, The Bros Kouachi apparently lived in the Limoges region prior to moving to Paris
Boozing womanizing, devout Muslims?

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 13 2015 20:39 utc | 143

in re 142 —
No problem re-stating my prior points. Much simpler, more plausible explanations exist. Your lack of knowledge about basic forensics is astonishing (you did not contradict my point about the exit wound being the source of spatter; I only know this from hunting as a teen and Law & Order).
You mistook my kibbitzing on the topic for interest. And for this, I get a raft of cheap s***….
Get it? Got it? Good!

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 14 2015 0:56 utc | 144

Why, Pee Wee, quelle suprise!
1) i thought you’d taken a vow of silence? Such a pity for you to break it after so short a time. Obviously The world just couldnt be spared your little pearls of wisdom,eh?
2) Tbh i doubt anyone but you gives a flying f..k about your (me me me me!) opinion on this subject. Anyone too dumb to even view the video before commenting, is hardly worth anyones time or effort other than to laugh at them. Thats why i didnt bother engaging with your little attempt to interject you opinion into a conv on a subject (the content of the video) you clearly know nothing about.
Fyi, an ak47 fires a  7.62×39mm cartridge with a muzzle velocity of 715 m/s (2,350 ft/s).
Even a complete narcissistic buffoon should be able to work out that something of that size and speed is going to leave a big splatter after passing through your head, despite what you claimed to have learned from the idiotbox
But its immaterial anyway because as even Muffin admitted above, the barrel wasnt actually aimed at his head at the crucial moment,
So you can go back to your hands-over-your-ears “nah nah nah i can’t hear you” routine, or off to pontificate on some other subject you know little about, PeeWee, because clearly youve nothing of note or worth to add here.

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 14 2015 1:34 utc | 145

Great little snark contest going on here guys. My money’s on foff. He wrote the book.

Posted by: dh | Jan 14 2015 1:43 utc | 146

Ps
Theres ton of videos on the net that show in plenty of detail the sort of damage an ak47 bullet can do
Nkw That damage might not be too bad provided the bullet passes only through soft tissue.
But we are being told that the cop was shot in the head, so that would mean, if it were true but the video shows it aint true, it would hit bone on the way in and on the way out, so there would be plenty of splatter from any exit wound.
So despite all your and muffins waffle, on the subject of bullets exiting, an ak47 round fired from a range of less than one metre, as the french authorities are claiming, is definitely going to leave a large exit wound with plenty of splatter and recoil

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 14 2015 2:01 utc | 147

@Rogan Josh #142, 145:
I haven’t made any comments about that video recently because I was embarrassed that I had written that it is “brutal”. That’s what you get for assuming even for a second that mainstream journalists know what they’re talking about. What the corporate media produces really is a simulacrum.
I must say that I am very disappointed in the French. I thought they were supposed to have a strong anti-establishment streak. But they are showing the same heard mentality as the citizens of any other NATO country.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 14 2015 2:01 utc | 148

Pps
Both Bran Muffin and Rufie Herman have attacked the notion that there should be splatter and recoil from a head shot by a high velocity bullet
Well heres a link to a series of Zapruder film still images from the Kennedy assassination, where high velocity bullets were used.
http://coachellavalleyweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Zapruder.jpg
Plenty of recoil, lots of splatter.
Heres another
Lots and lots of splatter
Basically the very opposite of what Muffin and PeeWee, the tweedledum and tweedledee of misdirection, have been claiming in this thread

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 14 2015 2:24 utc | 149

All of this talk of recoil and splatter is completely immaterial anyway, because from watching the video anyone can see for themselves that the cop wasnt shot in the head
Even Muffin had to belatedly admit that, and Pee Wee didnt even bother to watch the video, so his obviously ignorant opinion is even less than worthless
So, who ya gonna trust, Pee Wee Herman above, or your lying eyes?

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 14 2015 2:39 utc | 150

Apparently the bullet has landed in Area 51.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 14 2015 3:05 utc | 151

A nonmoron would just go view the video

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 14 2015 3:14 utc | 152

Very weird behaviuor
Rufie has made over 10 completely clueless comments on the content of a video hes too stupid to even bother to look at before opening his mouth and making a complete fool of himself
That level of stupidity is clearly genetic

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 14 2015 3:22 utc | 153

in re: 153
Shine on, you crazy diamond….

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 14 2015 3:49 utc | 154

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZFO8pXuRTk

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 14 2015 4:19 utc | 155

Topical, IMHO.
Insights into the Personalities of Conspiracy Theorists
“Psychologists find that distrust of authority and low agreeableness are among factors underlying the willingness to believe.”

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 14 2015 4:26 utc | 156

Lol, poor old Rufie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQZmCJUSC6g

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 14 2015 4:32 utc | 157

So, there’s been a schism in the Saker community. The Saker says mentioning the “former” French and Serbian Saker blogs is banned. (I don’t think this is off topic, because the schism was triggered by the Hebdo attack.)
I have no interest in looking at the French Saker blog and seeing what happened there. But I think this is pretty sad and silly. As has been discussed before, the Saker could have chosen his words more carefully, but all he was doing was expressing what a Financial Times editor called “common sense”.
I’m glad that in our little community here all of us pretty much get along. People here are more mellow. (It is a bar, after all.) I generally avoid reading the comments over at the Saker, because there’s a of of zealotry.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 14 2015 4:36 utc | 158

Not that I really like to but — By special request:
On the” Great Charlie Hebdo Conspiracy,” or….
So much foolishness, so little time….
What sort of person hectors those who don’t find them credible, calling them childish names and telling them to “shut uppa you face” with a bad, arguably ethnically offensive “music” video? “Bully” comes to mind.
That alone would be a fine reason NOT to watch the video they keep shoving in your face, badgering you like some “pro-life” fanatic picketing a clinic with a gruesome flyer.
But how about this — I don’t think it’s a serious issue, and I’m not wasting my time. Or at least, not any more of it.
Nor do I give a tinker’s f**king damn about the “admissions” your petty mind thinks it browbeat and tormented out of the poor, hapless souls you set upon, you sneering, abusive four-flushing exhibitionist of a blackguard.
I think one of them was CDH; if he agreed with you it’s an almost-certain sign you’re wrong (sorry, Coldn).
And I recall the early discussion, such as it was.
It got off to a bad start with someone evoking the “Gladio” program, but saying P2 had killed Moro, which I believe I noted at the time was incorrect (Red Brigades did; while I’m at it they bombed the Bologna RR station, not Rome, should anyone recall or find the posts). So it failed to clear the gate, really.
Finally, most important, too busy following the slow implosion of the junta in Kiev. It’s a dirty job but someone’s gotta do it. Kinda like talking to you….
But, hey, since you were almost literally bloody screaming for attention, I did put a little time into the topic. This I thought was time well spent, perhaps others will agree.
Don’t trust me, folks, fine. Maybe you’ll like —
France24? No, they’re probably in on it. Really nice music under the weather, though, if a bit biased on the Ukraine.
Well, OK, maybe New York magazine is more your style? Nah, probably linked to the Mossad, right? Or the Illuminati, you know how Old Money is. Given Francis I’s tone, doubtful if it’s Opus Dei.
Personally, I would trust Mother. Mother Jones, that is. I remember a time when John Judis wrote for them, and not for the late, unlamented TNR.
Metabunk provides a useful guide to assessing this psychological phenomenon.
To conclude on a musical note, a few thoughts from the late, great Frank Zappa.

And I said look here brother
Who you jiving with that cosmik debris?
Now what kind of a guru are you, anyway?
Look here brother, don’t waste your time on me
(don’t waste your time)
I’ve got troubles of my own, I said
And you can’t help me out
So, take your meditations and your preparations
And ram it up your snout!
But I got the crystal ball, he said
And held it to the light
So I snatched it, all away from him
And I showed him how to do it right….

Do try and think of something snappy and derogatory when you post video links, not just the naked URL. It’s so declasse. Others (not me) might be more inclined to take the time to watch.
I hope you are pacified. You’ll have to be satisfied with it, in any case.
‘Nuff said. Je suis Pervomaisk. Drink up and peaceout, Barflies.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 15 2015 3:28 utc | 160

For a guy that claims not to give a damn you sure spew out a lot of crap about it nonetheless.
What sort of person hectors those who don’t find them credible,
You i guess.
Cos I dont find you even remotely credible Rufie.
Your provably pig ignorant comments regarding splatter recoil etc are a joke, a bad one, but a joke nonetheless. Why you insist on making patently false statements about a video you even admitted to not even bothering to view, before vomitting out your pig ignorant comments on the subject is a bit of a mystery
calling them childish names
Oh boo hoo, poor likkle Wufie. Rufieof course would never do anything like that eh? Lol, quit yer babyish whining hypocrite
telling them to “shut uppa you face” with a bad, arguably ethnically offensive “music” video?
Lol “ethnically offensive” hahahahaha. Sure, if viewed in a certain light I’m sure some moron could probably claim it was Homophobic too. Morons and the thing they say, eh. Its a neverending source of amusement
When emptyheaded dishonest pwogwessives like yourself run out of ideas, “ethnically offensive” is usually the one they grab for, Its The last refuge of dishonest leftwing scoundrels, Pee Wee.
“Bully” comes to mind.
When watching a person make clueless comment after cluelesss comment about a video he aint even bothered to watch, “Moron” is the first word that comes to mind
So far, despite offering a plethora of completely illinformed ignorant commentary on the subject, you have as yet not addressed the main point. One wonders what sort of vacuous fool behaves like that, and why?
I didnt read beyond that quoted paragraph, because given how badly your comment starts off, clearly its only gonna get dumber and dumber as it progresses
Lifes just too short

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 15 2015 10:59 utc | 161

PS
“Back, and to the left”, Rufie, “Back and to the left”

Posted by: Rogan Joh | Jan 15 2015 11:24 utc | 162

I’ve addressed the main point, you are a vulgar boar. Now piss off mate.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 15 2015 12:17 utc | 163

And actually, isn’t that the only point? “Look at ME, ME, ME! Don’t criticize ME. YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME! WATCH ME WHILE I WANK OFF TO PEEWEE HERMAN!” No I don’t you sad sack of shite.
Pacifier did not work, but I’m not going to change your diapers.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 15 2015 12:26 utc | 165

A more classic case of psychological projection would be hard to find

Posted by: Rogan Joh | Jan 15 2015 12:40 utc | 166

Roofies, that’s how you get laid, right, since no doubt your physical self is a ugly as your nasty little soul. It’s gotta be there somewhere. Or did you sell it? I think you cheated the buyer….
You better break out another dose, I think you need to release some frustration. Hope you get caught. Still on probation from the last time?

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 15 2015 12:44 utc | 167

Time to sublimate the righteous anger I feel about this item from Russia Insider: The New Ukraine Is Run by Rogues, Sexpots, Warlords, Lunatics and Oligarchs. We all knew it, of course, but it’s infuriating to see it all in one place. Oh, nothing against sexpots, you Puritans, its rogues and lunatics. So on to —
Lambot at 161 —
So extra attention for you here after all; you get not a “Two-For” but a “Goof-for”. It’s a labor of loathe.
Hey baby, I got your PeeWee right here, little cryin’ man. “Take all the courage you have left/Wasted on fixing all the problems that you made in your own head.”
You got that whole “completely ill[-]informed ignorant commentary on the subject” thing covered; it’s not my bag.
I made no statements about your precious little video. Which I have of course seen elsewhere, BTW, but that means I’m in on “The Plot”. I merely asked if anyone (not even you in particular) knew what they were talking about. You volunteered “No.” Like I said, the whole great bleeding wet-dream is a non-starter.
And 9 of 10 cadavers tested knew the title of my post was about your everybody-look-at-what-I-just-pulled-out-of-MY-poxy-whiny-ass “theowy.” In no way on the video that is for some reason so key to it (“pwogwessive”? no way you read Cockburn, you’re still an asshole after it).
“I didn[‘]t read beyond that quoted paragraph….” Clearly, you comprehend nothing.
But wait, if you didn’t read it, then why suddenly all the comment about your (unseen, of course) links?
Again, some free advice, ’cause unlike yourself, I’m a real mensch — don’t put too much text in those “A HREF” links, it’s a little distracting,
Anyway, too bad, you missed some informed comment you need oh-so-badly. You can lead a horse (or an ass) to water…. I think you’d really see yourself in the Metabunk analysis, as well as that Scientific American article earlier. Check the F24 link, I believe they note your “evidence” got taken down. Not only are they in it, right, the conspirators got to “Somebody”…. Couldn’t have been doctored, tampered with, or just not what it seemed? Nah.
Finally my Lambot crack. What’s in a name?
Rogan Josh is a mutton dish, originally Persian, but now widespread in the Middle East. I never cared for lamb, too gamey…. Lambchop was a puppet (operated by Shari Lewis) on a children’s show. You couldn’t be a sock puppet, eh? I’ll give you credit, it’s probably your own fist up your ass.
But with your crude, tiresome, and unimaginative posts, I think you’re your a ‘bot — Lambot. How’s that beta testing going? Seems a defective product. They should tweak that verbal aggression subroutine.
Maybe it should be Lamebot?
Definitely too good not to be the last word. “I stand here; I can do no other.” Logging off Lamebot.
Je suis Pervomaisk.
PS — First get them to work on your “posted by” tag, Lil’ Joh.
PPS — Ending on good news, just seen, Report: Ukrainian Military in Retreat at Donetsk Airport.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 16 2015 5:35 utc | 169

“Back, and to the left”, Rufie, “Back and to the left”
First a complete meltdown at 165
And now another bout of logorrhea at 169
Which nobody but Rufie is even gonna bother to read

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 16 2015 9:33 utc | 170

You cant hide your lyin eyes

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 16 2015 9:36 utc | 171

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Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 16 2015 12:22 utc | 172

Sorry, html error on my good news, the earlier report of fighting Report: Ukrainian Military in Retreat at Donetsk Airport now confirmed in AM MSM hardcopy, airport has fallen. Good start to the day,

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 16 2015 12:26 utc | 173

So, this clown sidles up to the bar and sez,
“What kinda music ya got here?” . . . .”Oh we got both kinds,” she said . . “we got Splatter and Recoil”
Lots and lots

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 16 2015 13:18 utc | 174

Now that the clueless buffoon has finally, after several total meltdowns (165 and 173 are classics of the genre) decided to just finally cease the deliberate misdirection attempts and stop spewing out his ignorant rants on a subject he clearly knows nothing about, I’d like to point out once more, that all the evidence of splatter and recoil that should accompany any filmed headshot is completely absent from the video in question
This is of course what the 2 clowns above, Bran Muffin and Rufie Herman, have put so much time and effort into trying to deliberately distract everyone from noticing: that all the acompanying evidence, evidence that should be there, is completely absent from that video

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 17 2015 9:36 utc | 175

in re 175 —
Can we get a diagnostic on that module?
Not a rant, or melt down — a right proper dressing down in lang. appropriate to the target, you pestilence.
A few relevant bits from my 73 in the latest open thread. BTW, why couldn’t you find the complete Zapruder film online? And is an obscure fundamentalist school in rural Berks County, Pennsylvania, the best source?
“Higgins findings were later disputed by… arms control expert, Dr. Theodore Postol… [who] correctly pointed out that it’s impossible for Higgins to prove many of his Syrian assertions sitting in England far away from the crime scene.” — my emphasis, and again below.
“Higgins and his ‘crowdsourced’ (read: a handful of people with unclear expertise who agree with him that MH17 is all Russia’s fault) Internet team have relied upon for their claims. And the same SBU, that seems to maintain aggressive but poorly English speaking trolls to police the comment threads of Mr. Higgins website, BellingtheCat.”
I wonder who’s paying your development costs, Lamebot. Does not seem well spent.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 17 2015 14:27 utc | 176

“My name is Rufus M. (“Hi Rufus’), this is my first meeting of Trollbaiters Anonymous in a while. It’s been about 30 secs. since I last baited a Troll.”
Back on the wagon again….

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 17 2015 14:30 utc | 177

Yet more bouts of logorrhea from the magister
LOL
What a clown

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 17 2015 16:46 utc | 178

Looks like the aftermath of the mass murder at Charlie is working out just as planned … Anti-Muslim acts haved soared in France since Paris attacks, group says

At least as many anti-Muslim acts have taken place in France since the Jan. 7-9 attacks on the headquarters of the Charlie Hebdo satirical newspaper and a Jewish supermarket than for all of last year, a leading Muslim group said Friday.

Whether the murders were a false flag or no – hatred of and attacks on Muslims call for retaliation, which feeds more attacks … and so on, and so on … that’s just what was called for on the one hand; and on the other … same thing.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 24 2015 8:24 utc | 179